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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 22, 2011
11:43 AM

Post #8647083

This thread is for Newbie seed requests, information and questions.

"New Bee" means that you joined DG in the last year (or so)
and are a paying subscriber. (Not necessarily "new to gardening".)

For the cost of postage, we'll send you at least 10 packets of seeds in a bubble mailer. That's all there is to it, thanks to all those who share seeds with us.

To get your seeds, send whichever you prefer:

1. $3.00 by PayPal, and a private Dmail to me (RickCorey_WA) to get my PayPal ID and send me your address and Want list.

or

2. A First Class envelope with 5 or 6 First Class stamps, your printed address, and a Want list. (I'll supply the bubble mailer.) I am in the address exchange as RickCorey_WA, so you know where to send it.

or

3. A bubble envelope containing 4 or 5 first-class stamps, your printed address and a Want list.
(Even the empty mailer will cost you $1.71 to send, so this is the most expensive option.)


Be sure to send:
- - - your DG screen name,
- - - real name,
- - - return address,
- - - postage and
- - - a list of "Wants".



Don't post your address here in the public forum, send it by Dmail
or put it in the DG Address Exchange: http://davesgarden.com/address_exchange/
(You have to add your address to be able to see everyone else's.)

You can list specific or general Wants: vegetables, herbs, annual flowers, perennial flowers, re-seeders, vines, shrubs, trees, lilies, or particular plants.

Look down 2 posts: I typed a quick list of some things that we curently have multiple packets of.

I'll do my best to find suitable things if you mention your Zone or "cold hardy only".

We won't always have exactly what you ask for, but will try. The more specific you can be, the more lucky you might get ... and it also prompts us to try to add those to our Stash.

I should warn you that I often get behind and may not get your seeds to you for weeks: once I got months behind.

Everyone, new and old: if you would enjoy donating seeds for new members, that would be great! We can also trade (Dmail or post a list of your Wants).

It's fine to print or type your address on a plain piece of paper: I will glue-and-tape it to your return bubble mailer. If you send a bubble mailer, I'll use that to return your seeds. If you use tape to close the bubble mailer that you send to me, I'll do the same when I return it, so you can use it a third time.

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There is another "New Bee Seed" request thread over in the "Welcome Mat" forum:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1182272/

There is also a "New Bee" Chat Thread over in the "Garden Talk" forum:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1152857/

We came from here:
- - - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1160896/
- - - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1182370/

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We need four stamps worth of postage ($1.71) to return a bubble mailer. The extra stamp goes into the "pot" for postage due. If you don't send a bubble mailer, we ask for an extra stamp to pay for the new mailer.

Please make sure to use enough stamps when you send to me.
An empty bubble mailer is now $1.71 (four stamps). That's why I urge a 44-cent First Class envelope.

If you are kindly sending seeds to share, it takes a fifth stamp if you go over 3 ounces.
Please let me know if I may add your name to labels for seeds that you donate.

First Class "Package" ... bubble mailer
1 ounce $1.71
2 ounces $1.71
3 ounces $1.71
4 ounces $1.88
5 ounces $2.05
6 ounces $2.22
7 ounces $2.39
8 ounces $2.56

Please feel free to Dmail me with questions, and don't hesitate to remind me if I'm slow.

Happy Gardening Everyone,
Rick Corey
(Helping Robin)





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OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

June 29, 2011
4:23 PM

Post #8662739

This is a great opportunity! Now just to pin it down to a few types of seeds I want... :)

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 29, 2011
6:48 PM

Post #8662981

Hi Outlaw!

Here's a list of things we had multiples of, and I don't expect to be out of soon:

(P.S. Anyone (even an Old Bee) who sees something they like can have it for a trade & postage,
OR for a bunch of saved seed come fall.)

==============================================
new seeds from JonnaSudenius August 29, 2011:

French Marigold - Tagetes patula - “Jolly Jester” [A]
Creeping False Holly - - Jaltomata procumbens - [A] vegtable (make jelly)
Great Burdock - "Cardone" - - Arctium lappa - - - - Biennial Zones 3a-10b
Catmint “Cool Cat”- Nepeta subsessilis - [P] Zones 3a-7b *** mint: runners may be invasive
Delphinium elatum - - - - - - - purples - - [P] Zones 3a-8b
Bladder Campion - - Silene vulgaris - - -[P] Zones 3a-8b
Big Betony - - Stachys macrantha - - - - [P] Zones 4a-8b *** tolerates part shade & clay
Korean Mint - Agastache rugosa alabaster [P] Zones 4a-9b
Flowering Onion - - Allium aflatunense - [P] Zones 4a-9b
Heartleaf Oxeye - - Telekia speciosa - - [P] Zones 5a-8b
- Allium cyathophorum var. farreri - - - - - [P] Zones 5a-8b
- Amica montana - yellow medicinal herb [P] Zones 5a-8b
Nettle-Leaved Mullein - Verbascum chaixii [P] Zones 5a-9b
Peach-Leaved Bellflower - Campanula persicifolia [P] Zones 3a-7b

==============================================
Shasta Daisy Leucanthemum x superbum 'Amelia' 3'-4' tall
2'-3' spacingfull sun [P Zone 5a - 9b]

Formosan Lily Taiwanese Mountain Lily Zones 5a - 10a 2-8' tall
9-12" spacing sun to partial shade winter-sow seed

Dwarf Pomegranate Punica granatum 'Nana' [P Zones 7b - 11] Shrub 24"-48" tall
4' - 6' spacing full sun to part shade

Edible Hibiscus Abelmoschus manihot Glossy, edible foliage
tender perennial as Annual [TP Zone 8b-11]
sun-part shade don't let dry out 4'-6' tall, 2'-3' spacing

Red Trumpet Vine "Red Sunset" Cow-Itch Vine
20-30 foot long vine 12"-15" spacing [Zone 4-10 ]
MAY BE INVASIVE IN SOME REGIONS

Castor Bean Ricinus communis Family Euphorbiacea
tender perennial as Annual [TP Zone 9a-11] reseeds

Orange Coreopsis 'Calliopsis', 'Golden Tickseed' Coreopsis tinctoria
Family Asteraceae orange & bright yellow blooms mid summer & later
Annual 2' - 3' tall 9" - 12" spacing
direct sow after last frost self-sows freely

Morning Glory 'Heavenly Blue' 8'-10' tall 3"-6" spacing
sun to partial shade may be invasive


Moon Vine, MoonFlower Bush Annual or [Tender P Z 8-11] [LOTS]
needs warmth full sun 8'-10' vine 12-15" apart
from arejay MAY BE INVASIVE IN SOME REGIONS

Red Trumpet Vine "Red Sunset" Cow-Itch Vine
20-30 foot long vine 12"-15" spacing [Zone 4-10 ] [LOTS]
reseeds & runners MAY be invasive
from LazLo


Mexican Hats Perennial Z 3-10 short-lived P?
24"-36" tall Full Sun easy from seed
DS in Fall or divide rootball


Red False Yucca Hesperaloe funifera
New Mexico False Yucca [ P Zone 7 ]
3'-6' tall 2'-6' apart full sun
heat tolerant drought tolerant well drained soil
Evergreen Shrub, Cactus or Succulent
no spines, soft leaf non-patented


Ornamental Millet 'Purple Majesty' Pennisetum glaucum
Non-patented ornatmental grass dark purple/black
2'-5' tall 9-12" apart dramatic, unusual


Double Hollyhock "Peaches & Dreams"

Dinner Plate Hibiscus

Northern Sea Oats / Chasmanthium latifolium / Uniola latifolia / ornamental grass


Dianthus Mixed Colors Red-Pink-White-Purple

Light Pink Hollyhock

=========================
coming from Nancy NF2932:

lavender breadseed poppies / Papaver somniferum http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/238/

Yarrow / Sneezewort / Achillea Froelich, mostly pink

"Meadow Phlox" / "Wild Sweet William" / Phlox maculata 'Alpha' / Perennial Zone 3?

==================
from Heather (hmacdona from Calgary)

Clarkia elegans "Double Mix Clarkia" 18-24" tall rose, salmon, white, purple & crimson

Blue Licrorice (Agastache) tall Perennial

"Tidy Tips" / Layia platyglossa / Layia elegans (Family Asteraceae)
. . . Annual Wildflower Western USA
. . . Velvet/Fuzzy-Textured foliage, herbaceous, Silver/Gray
. . . drought tolerant, reseeds even in Zone 3

Nemesia, Annual, part shade
. . . aromatic blue blooms, glossy herbaceous chartreuse/yellow foliage
. . . Requires consistently moist soil. WS, Bag seedheads

Chilean Glory Flower / Glory Vine / Eccremocarpus scaber (Family: Bignoniaceae)
. . . Tender Perennial Zone 8a flowers first year from seed

Pulsatilla vulgaris / Pasque Flower / Anemone pulsatilla / Anemone serotina
. . . drought-tolerant Perennial Zone 4
. . . nodding purple blooms very early spring through summer
. . . deciduous foliage is deeply divided with soft silvery hairs
. . . WS, direct sow fall, stratify indoors?

Tricolor Daisy / Chrysanthemum carinatum / Ismelia carinata

Sunflower "Moonwalker"

Larkspur, "Rocket" Annual 24-36" tall

Cosmos "Bright Lights Blend" / Cosmos sulphureus, drought tolerant annual reseeds freely

===========

TREES:

Texas Sabal Palm "Texas Palmetto"
Sabal texana or Sabal mexicana
Palm Tree Cold Hardy to 16 - 18º F Zone 8a or 9b
tolerates wind, drought, salt, and most soil types.
20-50 feet high 15- 25' wide crown 8-32" trunk


Mexican Buckeye up to 10' Tall [Zone 7a-9b] full sun to part shade
6'-8' apart very drought tolerant
Ungnadia speciosa Family Sapindaceae
Pink, Rose/Mauve blooms Late Winter / Early Spring
deciduous shrub / tree
direct sow Fall or WS


Pink Mimosa Tree / Persian Silk Tree - Albizia julibrissin - Mimosa arborea
sun to part shade - acid pH 4.6-5.0 Zones 6-10 direct sow in fall
30'-40' tall - 10'-20' apart


Crepe Myrtle Lagerstroemia indica
12'-30' tall 8'-10' apart full sun pH 5.1 - 6.5 (acid)


Desert Willow, Desert Catalpa, Flowering Willow, Orchid of the Desert
6'-30' feet tall 6'-8' apart Zone 8a-9a



EDIBLES:


Snap Bean "Blue Lake" Bush

English Pea "Thomas Laxton" 60 days O.P. 2' - 3' tall bush 3" - 6" spacing
Lima Bean "Burpee's Bush" Fordhook Phaseolus lunatus


Snap Bean "White Half Runner" Phaseolus vulgaris
(String, Green or French Bean)


Runner Bean 'Painted Lady' Phaseolus coccineus 6'-10' tall
needs support edible ornamental
full sun (part shade) [A or TP Zone 9b] may come back from a tuber


==================

We have these coming in from OutlawHeart81:

Broccoli- early purple sprouting
endive- 'De Meaux'
dill-'delikat' annual
Swiss chard-'fordhook giant' & 'five color silverbeet'
fenugreek-annual
Sorghum-'sugar drip'
Okra-'burgundy'
Squash-'straightneck early yellow's
beans-'lima'- bush bean
Basil-'genovese'-annual


Corey

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AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 29, 2011
7:14 PM

Post #8663051

Corey - if you weren't so busy telling bad lawyer jokes on other threads I bet you'd get those envelopes stuffed in no time. :P

A.
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

June 29, 2011
7:27 PM

Post #8663081

i didnt know there were any bad lawyer jokes.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 29, 2011
7:32 PM

Post #8663092

OW.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

June 29, 2011
7:34 PM

Post #8663102

LOL bad lawyer jokes?! I had a really cheesy pick up line/lawyer joke, but for the life of me I can't remember the punch line. Anyway. Since this is a seed thread for newbies it should be noted that morning glories and moon vines can be invasive.
Also, what if I wanted to send some seeds to share with others and get some seeds, could I send a bubble mailer with an SASE and the seeds inside?

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 30, 2011
11:35 AM

Post #8664363

Outlaw

>> what if I wanted to send some seeds to share with others and get some seeds, could I send a bubble mailer with an SASE and the seeds inside?

Yes yes yes! Say what you want and send what you have. I'll split them up and label them if they are big packets. It would be great if you list the color & variety.


>> Since this is a seed thread for newbies it should be noted that morning glories and moon vines can be invasive.

True, totally. Also Trumpet Vines, I think. My intention has been to add that warning when I re-label, if any source says it, even DG Plant Guides, which tends tto be ultra-careful about "invasive", "poisonous" and "may irritate the skin or cause allergic reactions". The MG seeds are currently in commerical pkts from year-end-sales, and I was only going to re-label them if I split the comm. pkts in half.

Unsurprisingly, the commercial pkts do not mention "may be invasive".
Just like they never say "need stratification" or "need lots of attention".
And comm. seed pkts usually say "easy to start from seed", "high-yielding" and 'favorite".
"ALL the varieties are above-average."
Funny how they never say "don't buy this pkt if ..."

Some people who sent potentially invasive seeds said "not if you know how to handle them!"
And I think it varies from climate to climate, what is invasive where.
The warning is a good idea. I went back and added it to the entries above where it was missing.

I usually call a local "Master Gardener" help line and ask if XYZ is invasive in my region. So far, they've said "no". We always have frosts, and have a very dry summer, so some things that would be invasive elsewhere are easy to control here.

Corey


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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 30, 2011
1:26 PM

Post #8664546

I just found a DG forum for "Invasives":

Invasives: http://davesgarden.com/forums/f/invasives/all/

Corey

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

June 30, 2011
4:01 PM

Post #8664863

Here is a list of seeds I'll be sharing. These were shared with me, so I'd like to share the wealth!

Broccoli- early purple sprouting
endive- 'De Meaux'
dill-'delikat' annual
Swiss chard-'fordhook giant' & 'five color silverbeet'
fenugreek-annual
Sorghum-'sugar drip'
Okra-'burgundy'
Squash-'straightneck early yellow's
beans-'lima'- bush bean
Basil-'genovese'-annual

These will be mailed to Ricky Corey for mailing out, so maybe he will add these to his inventory and he can package them as he sees fit.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 30, 2011
7:05 PM

Post #8665177

The vegies will help a lot - thanks! That section is looking thin except for bush beans.

I edited post #3 in this thread to add yours to the list:
Post #8662981

If I ever get caught up with pkts I owe people, and sorting splitting and labelling, I hope to add some kind of list to a permanent location like a "blog entry" or "journal". I just wish they supproted tablkes or at least tabs. And someone recntly told me that my "blog" was 'access denied' ...

but first priority is getting out the seeds I already owe people.

>> he can package them as he sees fit

If pkts are already labelled, I hand them along as is.

If there's a lot of something, I split it up into 2x3 ziplocks (cheapest, easy to reclose and we can see into it.)

I try to get up to 1/4 tsp of fairly small seeds, and up to 1/2 tsp of bigger seeds. With very big beans, I almost fill a 2x3 ziplock. I haven't had to split up any dust-like seed for the NBs yet. I would rather make several people happy about the quantity, than twice as many people dissapointed (or out of luck if their first sowing poops out.)

And I also think: "If someone has good luck with the first crop, and still some left-over seed, maybe they will do a second crop the next year ... and save a handfull of that for replenishing the Stash!" I think if one out of 50 pkts sent out comes back multiplied, we will have invented perpetual motion.

When I make labels, I try to add as much info as I can find (I'm a detail-oriented maniac) ... but sometimes I have to guess at variety. First I make sure that anything the grower wrote down, I copy.

I try to get onto the label:

name & variety
color
annual or perennial (so I know how to give them out)
hardiness zone for perennials (so I know who to give them to)
tree-vine-shrub-flower-edible-grass-succulent (so I know how to give them out)
inches tall and inches to space apart
special things like tolerates shade, drought, heat or cold
may be invasive

Please, if you grow something out and notice what an idiot I was to label it as I did, let me know!
My ignorance about plants is somewhere between extensive and all-inclusive.

Corey

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AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2011
7:28 PM

Post #8665230

Corey - don't be so self-effacing.

You're doing a splendid job! At least it sounds like the ideas and label making and organizing has been taking up a lot of time and/or thought. I know your packets are almost stuffed full. Soon you'll have it down to a science.

I have LOTS of vegetable and herb seed that is a year or two old. I would like to pass them along - maybe that should be something you put on your label too - the "prepared for year". So many seeds remain viable for a long long time, but like you I think if people fail with a plant the first time they are less inclined to try again. The more seeds you have to give, the higher the germ. rate I would think.

If you want them let me know. I'll be glad to send them, but not so glad to list them out one by one because as I said, there are LOTS.

A.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 30, 2011
7:49 PM

Post #8665268

Amanda,

It would be great to get more seeds! I would say we are shortest on vegetables right now, and have fair quantities of herbs but they are popular.

Let me mention, to you and everyone, that a PARTIAL commercial pkt is just fine. I'll peek to see if I should split it further, tape it, and ship it. If it is a few years old, I am inclined to send out a larger quantity.

(Territorial, and some other vendors, have a "pkt size" and a "big" size. It looks to me as if "big" is 400% the size, and costs 50% more. I started buying bigger pkts and trading the rest as soon as I discovered Hazzards seeds: wholesale prices and low shipping cost!)

My feeling is that, with most seeds, "3 years old" has only slightly reduced germination rate that can be made up for by thinning fewer seedlings. But people start to distrust seed around 3-4 years of age.

Thanks for reminding me about the "year" - I always put that on the label if I know it. Unfortunately, commerical pkts always list the year "packed for" and normal growers and traders record the date harvested (so commercial seed always SEEMS one year fresher than it really is).

>> Corey - don't be so self-effacing.

When it coms to people waiting a whole month for thier seeds, no, I do feel guilty. At least most of that delay is start-up learning curve, plus a busy time in the garden, plus more frequent visits than usual.

If you're referring to gardening ignorance: HAH! If there's a way to measure that, I think I could win many contests. At least when it comes to something like the New Bee Stash.

Have you ever heard of the Svalbord Global Seed Vault? I think they got that idea from Robin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

Corey

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

June 30, 2011
7:58 PM

Post #8665297

Oh! I should add that the seeds I'm sending some are older, just a few years, varies, but they came up fine for me!!! :)

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 30, 2011
8:15 PM

Post #8665347

>> the seeds I'm sending some are older, just a few years, varies

I decided when I reached 50 that that was plenty old for me, so I decided to age backwards for a while. I'm down to 41 now, and recomend this practice highly.

I know there are a FEW seed types, usually not vegies, that fade after the first year ... someone told me Delphiniums are like that.

But most - no problem! Plant a little more thickly, or thin fewer out.

Also, for fussy perennial seeds that usually benefit from stratification: some or many lose their germination inhibitions (dormancy) as they age, and after a few years you don't even need to stratify.

Corey

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

June 30, 2011
9:01 PM

Post #8665412

Corey - familiar with the seed vault. My mother sent me a clipping or something years and years ago before they started to build.

I've worked at a wetland native plant nursery in MD and the NE Wildflower Society's Garden in the Woods in MA. You'd be amazed (or not) at how many entities actually exist now to store seeds, and for all kinds of reasons.

I will look through my seed stash (overflowed the old plastic toolbox I had forever and send you the things I can't/won't use myself. I will make you wait tho- shouldn't have sent Robyn all those stamps! now I am short myself. :D

I know that it's getting late in the season for some folks to start things by seed. Perhaps that could motivate you to send out their packets a little sooner. :P

A.
SoFlaCommercial
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 1, 2011
11:58 AM

Post #8666388

If you haven't sent my package, Corey, I'd love some basil.

:P

thanks.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2011
3:13 PM

Post #8666721

Dawn,

I see "or herb" in your list so there's almost certainly basil in it already. I'll make sure, or send two kinds. Did I mention I found some Bull's Blood Beets at Wal-Mart?

I have the cover crop seeds and thai peppers ready to split, but will need to dig more for the jalapenos.

Corey

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

July 1, 2011
9:09 PM

Post #8667283

Wanted:
Hardy perennial flower seeds.
my garden is new so I'm working on shrubs, hydrangeas, and a lilac, and I'd like to add (but not sure what can be prpogated from seed, or would have seed readily available)

Hostas
Brunnera
Heucheras
Rudbeckia
Coreopsis
Columbine
Cone flower
Asters
Crane's bill
Shasta Daisy
painted daisy
balloon flower
clematis
Butterfly weed
Butterfly bush
Poppies
Foam flower
lady's mantle
Salvia

...just to name a few... lol

As for veggies, herbs & fruits
I'd like
strawberry
Carrots
oregano
parsley
Beets
Zucchini
Watermelon

So there is quite a bit there to give you ideas for what I'd like, but I'm pretty easy, there is no preassure to get any specific color, or cultivar.

skellogg
Sundance, WY
(Zone 3b)

July 1, 2011
9:55 PM

Post #8667324

Just wanted to mention, it is usually helpful, like you said, if we know the year intended, but found some 1998 seeds in a box I bought at an auction. They were for lemon cukes, so planted 3 seeds in a hill this spring, just to see if any would germinate, and all 3 did! LOL ! ! Sure hope they put on fruit now, but they will have to hurry and grow... I'll save some seeds if they do. Might be something the newbies would like to play with!

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

July 2, 2011
6:45 AM

Post #8667655

That sounds great! I had a rough time getting my cukes started planted many Carolina hybrids packaged for this year and got...1
planted less Thai Mae and got 3, so we'll see how many cukes I get

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 2, 2011
11:09 AM

Post #8668081

I needed some sugar baby watermelon seed and traded with someone on DG for them.

I am doing quickie germination on moist paper towels in plastic bags. After 1 week, only 2 of 12 germinated. They've gone to soil. Will keep an eye on the rest. They were prepared for 2008, and I only need one or two plants anyway. I thought I would test germ. extra in case they weren't viable..

A.
SoFlaCommercial
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 4, 2011
5:39 PM

Post #8672492

Corey:

Awesome; thanks!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 5, 2011
10:19 AM

Post #8673752

OutlawHeart81,

I added that to my "NB Wants" list and that makes it easy to find thigs you'll like.

I have 4 pkts ready to go and many of the bulk seeds split into individual pkts.

Hopefully everyone wiating will be mailed within a week or two.

Corey
Mr. Slow
SoFlaCommercial
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 5, 2011
12:19 PM

Post #8674027

I just harvested a watermelon from my garden, and while eating, have been picking out the seeds. But how do I preserve them? I know I have to wash them, but then what?

...and also have some Jack-O-Lantern Pumpkin seeds. My daughter has already put them in an envelope, but what info do I put on it?

thanks.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 5, 2011
3:36 PM

Post #8674431

With most seeds, the three most important words are
"dry, dry, dry".

I would say the most useful info is:

- the exact variety if known, or what company the seeds came from and that company's exact name or order number ... all leading to whether they were OP or F1 hybrids.

(That's why I don't often save seeds from the supermarket or a fruit stand. Commercial growers often grow hybrid seed, and the market seldom tells you what exact variety.)

- year harvested

- your DG name!

- whether they were grown close to related melons that could have cross-polinated (I don't know how promiscuous watermelon flowers are)

- your growing experience: easy, vigorous or slow. Did they seem to need lots of water, or were they drought-tolerant. if you grew any in shade, did they mind? Are there any pests that you normally have lots of, that they were resistenat to or vulnerable to?

(Remember that, if you are trading your seeds to someone else, they may never have grown watermelon or pumpkin before.)

If I have the exact variety name, I will copy-paste from DG's Plant Files unless I know otherwise. Often the comments below a plants entry will give you a better idea that the plain text of the entry.

Corey
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

July 5, 2011
5:27 PM

Post #8674625

Rick

I will be moving back to Calif on JUly 24. I will send all of my seeds to you for newbies. I will be living with my son and DIL in a mobilehome and no yard!! Darn!!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 5, 2011
5:48 PM

Post #8674683

>> I will be living with my son and DIL in a mobilehome and no yard!! Darn!!

ARRGH! I'm really sorry to hear that! I hope you find another situation WITH grounds, and we can send you r seeds, or others, back to you!

- maybe grow in pots or tubs?
- start plants and give most away?
- donate plants to park managment in return for access to common beds?

Corey


marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

July 5, 2011
6:05 PM

Post #8674711

I'll check out your suggestions when I get to Ventura

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

July 6, 2011
12:58 PM

Post #8676477

Is the roof of the trailer flat?! ;)
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

July 6, 2011
1:25 PM

Post #8676521

Not really. But the park where my son has his mobile has many restrictions. The only reason they have the mobile is that his wife and her parents decided to get it over his objection. They can not even let the kid out in the very small yard to play as its not fenced in and they are not allowed to fence it in for safety.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

July 6, 2011
1:39 PM

Post #8676533

Wow... That's kinda ridiculous. Sure you want to keep the park nice, but that's more like prison. They are getting stricter everywhere about mobile homes, they got such a terrible reputation along the way that here in my county you can't put up a trailer unless you are zone for one, meaning it's a park, or one is in existence on the property, so literally, it needs to be there till after the new one is added, or built. Stricter on modular too.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2011
8:53 AM

Post #8681940

Awwww, Marti - that makes me only want to try harder to grow a wisteria that you can keep in a container!!! :)
(not having much luck with the buggers).

I am glad you have family to go to. I guess we hafta be thankful for what we've got. Most of my peeps are gone. I guess I'm all grown up now. I hope you stay with us on DG. Maybe they'll have plenty of space for houseplants! ;)

We'uns newbeees will be soooo thankful for all of your seeds! Mr.Corey may have to hire an assistant (or quit his day job).

Loveyou.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2011
9:35 AM

Post #8682033

I plan to stay on DG. I found a community garden a few blocks from my son's place, so will get a space as soon as I get out there. The cost $75. for 6 months and that includes water, mulch and garden tools. I'lll teach my GS how to garden. Mostly I'll grow veggies for the house, but some annuals.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2011
1:41 PM

Post #8682407

That's super news! Glad for you Marti. I know it's a big change. Having the garden will be something old and familiar. You'll have to get a giant wheelbarrow for that kid to push back and forth.

Loveya girl. Can we help in any way with your move on 7/24?

A.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

July 9, 2011
2:39 PM

Post #8682473

I've managed to save up some money for gas. And the loan company for my Jeep is going to redue the loan and give me $500.00 in cash, so I will have enough money for gas on the way out. Once I get settled and start the garden I will have to come and beg for some seeds. For now I am packing all the seeds I have for this newbie site. I have alot of flower seeds for everyone. I am keeping some of my hollyhock seeds and taking a few roses with me. I have several small roses still in pots so they will travel to Calif with me.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 9, 2011
7:14 PM

Post #8682901

Make sure we have your new addy so we can send you care packages. :)

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

July 12, 2011
11:47 AM

Post #8688325

And be sure to wear a flower in your hair...wait, that's san Francisco. Lol
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

July 12, 2011
12:37 PM

Post #8688441

I will be lliving with my son and DIL.
Address: 66 Beethoven
Ventura, CA 93003
edforlife
Elkin, NC

July 14, 2011
4:28 PM

Post #8692602

Wow! Where to start. I am a new gardener (as of June) and have so many questions. I do want to get some seeds and I want perennials, maybe some shrubs or small trees too. I have no idea what to get though. Please see what I'm planning for my wife below and let me know what you think may go well.

Thanks!!!

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1196684/
hmacdona
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

July 15, 2011
6:43 AM

Post #8693668

Hey Rick,

Hope you're doing well. Thanks for organizing this for all the newbies. I just stumbled across this thread.

I can round up some flower seeds to donate to your cause. I'll have to go through my stash, but know I have a bunch of extras that I probably won't be planting. I get a little carried away with seed purchases sometimes :) I used to do a newbie seed offering on another site, but I just don't have time anymore, so am more than happy to pass along some seeds to you to share.

Am leaving on vacation July 23rd, so probably won't have a chance to sort through my stash until after I get back the middle of august.

Meanwhile, while it was top of mind, thought I would post here and ask if you could resend me your address. I'll put a package together for you when I get back from holidays.

Thanks...Heather

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 15, 2011
2:20 PM

Post #8694374

Thank you, Heather! And future New Bees will thank you.

May I add a slip of paper praising your Tomato & Pepper Swap and saying you MIGHT do it again in future years?

>> I get a little carried away with seed purchases sometimes :)

Me too! I have a big pkt from Hazzards of "Black Russian" tomatoes that I hope to send to your next swap, if you do one.

Corey
hmacdona
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

July 15, 2011
7:32 PM

Post #8695010

Hi again,

I'm definitely "considering" hosting the tomato & pepper seed swap this year. I'm always tentative until I do it...LOL. May have to kick it off a bit later this year because I have to wrap up an estate I'm administering when I get back from vacation. I've probably already committed myself to hosting another swap...without even really knowing it. I've been buying some extra seeds here and there throughout the spring to use as bonuses...just in case I decide to host another swap. How crazy is that? BTW..Hazzards is one of the places I buy way too many seeds from as well. I'm of scottish descent, so can't resist a good deal...even if I don't need it.

We've had a very cool wet spring, so many of my plants are delayed. Did manage to harvest some pulsatilla purple pasque flower seed this morning, so I'll be sure to send that your way as well. Hoping to be able to get an even larger variety of seeds from my garden by mid august. I might be overly optimistic though...I just looked at my tomato plants and many of them don't have tomatoes forming yet...aargh. For someone that plants as many tomatoes as I do, that's just not fair :)

I do have a ton of perennial flowers in my gardens, so if you cross your fingers for me, I might have luck at getting even more seeds to send in for your newbie offering.



RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 17, 2011
7:18 PM

Post #8698597

>> Did manage to harvest some pulsatilla purple pasque flower seed this morning,

Very cool! Like this? ->

Pasque Flower . . . [P Zones 4-9]
Pulsatilla vulgaris . . . 6-12" tall - - drought tolerant
WS or stratify
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/511/


>> so if you cross your fingers for me, I might have luck at getting even more seeds to send in for your newbie offering.

Haaard to tyyppeee wiiith crosssed finnngers but GREAT! Thank you.

I found what seem to be seeds from grape hyacinth, but they might be from hybrid plants.

Corey
hmacdona
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

July 17, 2011
7:45 PM

Post #8698626

Yup...that's my Pulsatilla. They are always the first to bloom in my garden. There's even been years they've popped flowers through a blanket of snow...they're hardy little guys. Gardenfiles indicates zones 4-9. I am in zone 3a and it's been growing very well here for several years. Just in case there's someone in a cooler zone that wants to give it a try.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 18, 2011
9:55 AM

Post #8699553

>> They are always the first to bloom in my garden.

Cool! Here in Zone 8 they might not even notice that it's 'winter'.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

July 27, 2011
4:23 AM

Post #8717938

Don't pay the ransom ... I've escaped!!!!! LOL

Somehow I lost this thread and have been searching high, low and sideways for it. Finally went to Corey's home page and searched for threads started, and, well ... here I am!!! Glad to be back "home".

Now out to water before getting ready for work. It's just TOO DARN HOT in the evenings. 108* today. Sheesh. GOD, PLEASE send us some RAIN!!!!

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-),

Patti

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

July 27, 2011
5:47 AM

Post #8718028

Hiya Patti. This newbee was missing you. :D
Lisatx1966
Mexia, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2011
8:21 AM

Post #8718354

RickCorey;

I mailed you my envelope way back in May around the 22nd, and you even sent me a message saying you recieved the envelope, yet to this day I still have not received anything from you. I have messaged you several times and you said you were still waiting on the box of seed to arrive to you from previous person doing the shippings. Ok it has been well over 2 months and still nothing.

What is the problem here, you have all my info and stamps so why am I still waiting?
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

July 27, 2011
9:33 AM

Post #8718487

lisatx-might i step in here and say to please be patient. i think corey has taken on a job of huge proportions, not to mention he works full time and is doing this on a volunteer basis. also, the seeds could have been sent to you and the post office could have misdelivered them. from what i read on this site and others, he is a very organized, conscientious person. also, judging from his posts only, very generous with his seeds and help.

this said, i would happy to share some of my flower seeds with you, i way overbought this winter. just send me your address.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

July 27, 2011
10:16 AM

Post #8718590

I sorta forgot about this thread myself, i hope all is going well with the sorting and sending. I'm in no rush for seeds as I'm beginning to find myself running out of places for them.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2011
5:05 PM

Post #8719530

Hi Lisa,

I'm sorry, I have not sent them yet and others have been reminding me by email. On July 5 I Dmailed you saying I got The Box(es) and would try to get yours to you in a few weeks.

I'm just busy at work, busy with guests, and wish I had time to be busy in my garden, which also needs a lot of work.

I owe several people New Bee seed packets and do finally have some ready to label and go, but didn't get aound to that yet either. I will try to get caught up. Thanks for nudging me, I've been feeling guilty.

When I signed up, I didn't fully realize how little "free" time I have during the work week, or how many weekends are "spoken for", and how many other tasks I have to do on "free" weekends.

>> job of huge proportions

Thanks, risingcreek - it does turn out be daunting. But for the last few weeks, it's more like I've been caught up in other things.

>> he is a very organized,

For the first few months, that might have been part of the problem. I had to reserach things and sort them so I could find them, since I don't know what a lot of these seeds are form looking at a two-word name. That took a lot of time when garden and house work fell behind. This month, I've been catching up on home & garden.

I still don't have any system for knowing what zone a perennial is hardy in. When y'all get your seeds, it would be good to look up each name to see if I sent sent tender perennials to people in Zone 5.

I think Robin may have "just known" what everything was, but many names are Greek to me, or Latin, or, worse, a common name that means dozens of different things in different regions.

>> conscientious person.

Used to be, try to be! When I get caught up, hopefully I will be again.


Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

July 27, 2011
5:51 PM

Post #8719651

Yes, give him a break!!!!! He's a very good guy and contrairy to what people might believe, just from looking at a box of seeds in a round robin seed exchange, I can see where it might get overwhelming.

I say "hats off to you Corey" for offering to pick up the Newbies box and take off running with it. If people can't be appreciative of a lot of free seeds, only having to pay a little bit of postage, I say send their stamps back to them, minus the one it takes to send them, and let them go buy them at the store. There are a lot of neat seeds in the newbie box that you probably won't find in stores.

RELAX Corey, and don't let it get to you. You already have a full plate and volunteering your valuable free time is priceless to all the newbies.

Patti

(Edited to say Corey is a 'good' guy ... not a goo guy. However, that may fit too. lol)

This message was edited Jul 28, 2011 4:41 PM

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2011
7:16 PM

Post #8719835

Don't jump on Lisa, I've been saying of the smae kind of thing to myself. Though thanks for letting me off the hook so easy.

As with my cat, if I don;t yell at him occasionally, he develops bad habits.

Lisa has been waiting months, and her WANT list would have been easy to fill, she wasn't picky and I should have just grabbed a handfull and shipped it. I think I got distracted by people with detailed lists, and of course "organizing" the stash and splitting and labelling big bags, spending too much time on those.

My evaluations at work always say "don't focus so much on the details", and I still haven't figured out how to do that. But in software, if you don't get ALL the details right, the plane crashes, and then they don't seem like such small details any more!

Corey



OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

July 27, 2011
7:31 PM

Post #8719859

Lol these are seeds not software, relax! Let it be fun too. You're doing a really good job, a job most wouldn't take on, so just keep going. We'll nudge you if need be, but take some time to stop and smell the roses, or whatever is growing in your garden!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2011
7:42 PM

Post #8719892

Outlaw, I heard your message and took it to heart before signining up. Robin closed the deal by claiming that people were used to slow delivery.

Online chit-chat, looking at flowers, thinking about compost, visits from my SO ... I don't think you shiuld encourage me to take life any MORE easy than I already do!

Corey


SoFlaCommercial
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 27, 2011
9:25 PM

Post #8720158

i need to plant now (zone 10 a) for my fall crop...can i get my seeds, please?

thanks.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 27, 2011
10:30 PM

Post #8720242

SoFla

I know yours are ready, I can get it out in the next day or two.

I edited the first post to say how slow I might be. I think even my Dmail warnings were not strong enough.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

July 28, 2011
5:01 AM

Post #8720490

lol @ Corey. You always take things in stride dear friend. Just remember the old saying "keep it simple, stupid" :-) and don't let it get you overwhelmed. You are doing a bang up job!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 28, 2011
12:08 PM

Post #8721157

>> "keep it simple, stupid"

Other people seem to find "simple" easy or natural. Not for me! What's easy for me is wallowing in hundreds of intricate details lovingly organized and individually cherished and encouraged to multiply into yet more detailed details. (Maybe this is OCD?)

Summarizing and FINDING the simplicity is something I find difficult & baffling.
Things are never simple unless you ignore all the beloved details!

My problem isn't that I "can't see the forest for the trees". I don't notice the trees because I'm so into each crevice in the bark and each vein and insect-hole in each leaf.

Yes, it slows things down and contributes to being late - ask any of my bosses.

The only way I can wirte an email to management is to first write what I think the email should be, and then summarize it.

Then boil the summarry down to an extract.

Then shorten the extract to a bullet list.

Then delete everything but the bullet list.

But each of those steps drives me crazy, like pulling hairs out of a cat.

Corey
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

July 28, 2011
12:42 PM

Post #8721221

personally, i would prefer to wait and get seeds where someone has paid attention to the details, rather than just some haphazard assortment thrown in an envelope (slight exaggeration but you know what i mean) and i am not saying that is what used to done, cause i am too new to know. just a generalization
SoFlaCommercial
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10b)

July 28, 2011
2:20 PM

Post #8721460

I'm sorry, corey; I'm sick right now and when I posted I wasn't really paying attention and I realize that it may have come off *itchy. :(

I appreciate all you're doing.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

July 28, 2011
3:50 PM

Post #8721626

Wasn't you SoFla ... I was speaking more towards Lisatx1966. She was pretty abrupt and almost downright hateful in the post she made. I took it personally, even if Corey won't, because I know what kinda person he is.

Oh, btw Corey ...I have something for you. Have actually had it myself for several weeks (you can write me a hateful post now if you wish). I have it in the envy, just keep forgetting to: 1) open up the address exchange 2) look you up 3) Carefully put your address on the label in legible writing 4) Carefully put my address in the return area 5) Tape envy closed 6) ... oh, to heck with this, that is making ME CRAZY!!!!! I just haven't done it yet. LOL
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

July 28, 2011
4:50 PM

Post #8721701

my opinion:
i think the bottom line is that this is a volunteer effort. we all could have bad days (or weeks or months) or not get something done in a timely manner, but common courtesy should not go out the window when making requests for a speedier delivery. the tone of the post did not sit well with me either. my first thought was, hey, you are getting a lot of seeds for the price of a few stamps, be patient. my second was, how rude. my third should have been this is none of my business and butt out. (way to late for that one)
kc
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

July 28, 2011
4:52 PM

Post #8721710

lol kc

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 28, 2011
5:18 PM

Post #8721756

To put it in context, I got two polite Dmails from Lisa reminding me. No problem. Also, it wasn't like she gave me a detailed list to search for or wanted pernnials hardy in Zone 3.

No problem with SoFla either - or do you prefer your real name?


The only problem is taking the time away from my garden on a weekend ... no chance I'm going take time away from my DSO when she's visiting ... or fail to bulldoze and shovel out and vacuum the living room before she visits.

I HAVE finally found big enoguh boxes and a "system" so it's fairly quick to pack the Stash, tubs, bags, lists and envelopes and stack them together where I work on them, instead of carrying a few at a time from living room to 'hidden away'. That got tedious and annyoing after doing it a few times!

I forget if this was the thread where I mentioned her reaction to hearing me tapping away on the keyboard to DG:
"Are you propagating with those Flower Ladies again??!??"

Crit, one reason I go overboard with laser-printing address labels and seed labels is that my handwriting is awful-squared. It looks like an illiterate 5-year-old trying to write while being driven over potholes in a car with no springs.

risingcreek,
>> personally, i would prefer to wait and get seeds where someone has paid attention to the details,

Robin paid a lot of attention, and I heard many praise her choices for them. She had several advantages, like knowing what all the names meant, and things like whether they were annuals, perennials, tender prennials, flowers or trees. Like, 20-30 times more than I do.

Apparantly there are several Seed Angels who sent her seeds repeatedly, and she could immediatly connect just the appearance of the seeds and the name of the donor with all the details about that plant.

Especially when it came to one-word or one-syablle synonyms, I'm often clueless. I guess most gardeners know what a "brug" is, but I still have to look it up each time, and that DG Plant Files screen that says "1,237 matches found" is eventually going to make me throw my monitor through the sliding glass door. Usually what I did instead was to move such a pkt into the "Ask Robin" bag and email her 5-10 questions at a time. Concievably, this fall, I'll find out that I've already learned more than I realize.

I think the effective part of my stem is handling the dividing up, labelling and categorizing, once I figure out or Robin tells me what is what.

And I have been gradually realizing, for three years at least, that I will ALWAYS plan to do three times as much in the garden as I possibly can, and HAVE TO limit my plans to 1/3 or less of what i wnat to do right away.

NB or no NB!

Corey
sunnyg
San Francisco Bay Ar, CA
(Zone 9b)

July 28, 2011
5:43 PM

Post #8721810

Corey, I'm happy to research seeds for you, if that would help at all. I'm definitely no expert, but I'm reasonably knowledgeable about plants/seeds and love researching anything plant-related. For example, if you gave me the name of the seed and the information you would like to have for your labels (i.e. annual/perennial, zone, how to sow, sun/shade etc), then I could go about finding out as much of that info as possible. Just a thought...if you're interested just let me know :-).

This message was edited Jul 28, 2011 4:46 PM
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

July 28, 2011
6:36 PM

Post #8721901

wow robin must be amazing. i was not referring to her but just stating in general. please do not think that i was. i have not been a member long enough to know anyone but corey as the newbie seed person. i have, however, traded with people that arent organized, and, to my shame, have to admit that i am not orgranized at all. i have taken on my cousins garden and her seed collection and i am trying to get them sorted, and it is not easy cause i have to look everything up. that is just one persons little stash. imagine all the seeds you must get. i know the ones i sent you were not very well labeled. (late apologies for that)
i have traded with some people that are amazing organized, lovely labels, nice pictures on the labels, all sorts of info. i so admire that. mine are lucky to have the name and date (unless i bought them).
kc

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 28, 2011
7:04 PM

Post #8721963

>> wow robin must be amazing

Yes! Her usual response to any fragment or sylablle of info I send her is like "that's just what it sounds like: ..." and then gives all the info i could ask plus a link to DG Plant Files.


>> have to admit that i am not orgranized at all.

I would say that I'm organized ... just ignorant and busy.


>> i have taken on my cousins garden and her seed collection and i am trying to get them sorted, and it is not easy cause i have to look everything up

Please forgive my falling down laughing "YEAH! I know what THAT's like!!!"


>> i know the ones i sent you were not very well labeled.

I can tell you exactly where that envelope is still parked, I've looked but not yet split or filed them away into categories. Mostly veggies, right? We're shomewhat low on those. My recollection of the contents was "mostly fully labelled commerical pkts" but I may have forgotten. I remember "lots" - thank you!

Commerical pkts are easy. I can just read off the names, and copy the info. Very rarely I'll check Plant Files, for example if I don't trust "easy to grow" when I suspect they may need stratification. In my experience, almost every commercial seed packet is "easiest to grow", "best variety", "best flavor" and tolerates conditions anywhere in the solar system, yet never invasive. Like Lake Woebegone, where "all the children are above average".

Which reminds me: "how to grow" for veggies is best looked up in "Johnnies Selected Seed" catalog or the Territorial Seed catalog. Great tips!

Corey

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 28, 2011
7:32 PM

Post #8722032



sunnyg,

Even before reading the next post, I saved a link to your dmail along with your offer! Thanks.

When I have time to dig into the 2-3 big "reasearch these seeds" bags, I'll alternate between asking you and Robin. And if stumped, i'll ask here, but FIRST need to catch up on sending out seeds. Remember the mission, Rick!

Before I signed up for all of it, I was just printing up the labels so Robin could split big bags into trade-size pkts.
I started borrowing pictures and using a color laser printer to include a picture. that was fun, but the printed info kept changing and I didn't wnat to use the printer at work TOO much. But getting permission took time, a pic takes up 30% of the label, and the hardest thing to discover is what color and variety something is!

Your offer made me think about the list of what I try to find and record on the label:

I try to find all these:

common names, nicknames and maybe Latin name
variety (if known)
color (if known)
year harvested (on commercial pkts, I subtract 1 from "year packed for")
from whose garden or donated by who - I REALLY like to include this

Annual / Perennial & Zone / tender perennial grown as annual / Biennial

hybrid, OP, heirloom, unknown, sterile seeds

"kind of thing" - flower, tree, vine, shrub, edible

will grow in containers / needs trellis

inches tall or feet tall

inches apart (in rows or dense-packed? I never know)

reseeds, spreads by runners, divide rootball, cuttings, layering

invasive (I never know under what conditions - always someone can't grow it all, and someone else can't kill it)

drought tolerant, clay tolerant, deer tolerant, slug tolerant!!!

rotate to avoid soil diseases

FULL SUN, PART SHADE, SHADE

keep moist, needs good drainage, needs rich soil, do/don't fertilize & when

how to sow (inside X weeks before last frost, DS outside X weeks before or after frost, WS,

"sow on surface", "needs light" "needs dark" "needs cold moist stratification" "soak before sow"

days to harvest (from sowing? from transplanting?) but that's so variable "mid-season" or "early" is better

season of bloom, thoguh i suspect that is very variable by climate & whether it is first year or established.

good for cutflowers, needs deadheading, pinch the tips


... I know, I always want too much detail. But once I figure out WHAT it is and find some source of reliable info, I AM going to fill that 2x3 label with everything that fits.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

July 29, 2011
4:08 AM

Post #8722491

You may be able to get it all on the label, but will need HIGH POWERED magnifying glass to read it!!!!!!!! lol I think you may need a 5x7 label.

Step back Rick, relax, take a deep breath, *in my best BOSS's voice* don't get into so much detail. lol A lot of that info people can look up themselves on the 'net if they need it. I look mostly for common name, height, color, sun/shade/part shade, etc., and that is about it.
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

July 29, 2011
3:08 PM

Post #8723783

corey-sent you a dmail re:new address

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 2, 2011
6:54 PM

Post #8733112

Corey - when you started posting on the thread about the labels you were going to print I thought you were out of your gourd.

I believe my original assessment was correct.

Find a common name to go with the botanic name. Organize them in alphabetical order and BE DONE WITH IT!!!

If people have specific requests that makes it easier. Over time you will become more familiar with your collection of seeds.

You are NOT omniscient. I known that from reading your posts in other threads. :P

Peace. I appreciate all you do, and I'm sure that everyone waiting for a seed packet can understand the demands of work/life and the daunting task you've undertaken.

A.
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

August 2, 2011
7:35 PM

Post #8733248

my personal opinion, i appreciate all the info on the labels. otherwise, back to the computer to look each one up and figure out some way to write it on the package. the older i get the more help i need to remember stuff !

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 2, 2011
7:42 PM

Post #8733270

Yeah... I was given a great box of seeds, my favorites are from bakercreek with all kinds of info on them then some with just the common name and Latin name so i look those up, but then i got flower seeds from a friend and some are just a picture in a tiny bag with the common name. That seems great till you try to get that little folded up picture out of the bag to see what it is and dump seeds everywhere!

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 3, 2011
1:14 AM

Post #8733602

My POINT is in regards to the incredible burden it is on Corey and how extraordinary it is that he has endeavored to pursue such a complex and tedious project on a volunteer basis.

Surely the sign of genius or OCD.

Loveya!

A.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 3, 2011
4:21 AM

Post #8733702

Genius or just plain nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO Love ya Corey.
arejay59
Litchfield, ME
(Zone 5a)

August 3, 2011
5:27 AM

Post #8733794

Gosh I love you all ...Dialogues and seeds make the world go round. Keep on keeping on Corey...f I had a hug button I would push it...Isnt it just amazing the things a seed can do...I am here if you need help...
BTW I just got home form a glorious vacation...
PS Dont sweat the small stuff...there is always a bigger picture

Thumbnail by arejay59
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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2011
12:23 PM

Post #8734541

Actually, copying the details is easy and takes little time. It is finding out WHICH variety was received that's hard.

Any given common name for a flower applies to 10-300 actual varieties, some of them quite different, like "annual not perennial".

Once I actually guess "pretty sure" what the short name on the pkt MEANS, copying details takes almost no time. Printing, cutting and stuffing a label with 10-20 lines of info takes no longer than printing a label with a one-word name plus a question mark.

Or, I'm just plain crazy for details! A special kind of OCD that some seed traders have: "O. Seed D."
It was making up the detailed labels that first tempted me into signing up.

(P.S. Late late last night I had an idea. I could send out the "look these up" big bags of singleton pkts to people who "just know" a lot of plants, or are willing to look them up, and ask them to label the basics like:
- - annual / perennial / hardiness zone
- - flower / vine / shrub / tree / herb
- - need WS or stratify

That's enough info to let me sort them into bags from which I can fill requests much much faster

I was already planning to take two days vacation this week to catch up on picking & shipping things out, when ... see next post.

Corey


RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2011
12:30 PM

Post #8734556

A HUGE package of seeds just arrived from Heather (hmacdona from Calgary).
And Nancy NF2932 is sending several batches of saved seeds from her garden.

THANK YOU both!

I've gotten enough details for labels for their "bulk" donations (pkts so big they can be split up into multiple individual pkts).

So I'll add those to the third post on this thread, and I encourage anyone who has donated seeds in the past, or indeed any "friend of the thread" who plans to donate in the future, to ask for any they're interested in.

coming from Nancy NF2932:
lavender breadseed poppies Papaver somniferum http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/238/

Yarrow, Sneezewort, Achillea Froelich, mostly pink

"Meadow Phlox" / "Wild Sweet William" / Phlox maculata 'Alpha' / Perennial Zone 3?

----
received from Heather (hmacdona from Calgary)
Clarkia elegans "Double Mix Clarkia" 18-24" tall rose, salmon, white, purple & crimson

Blue Licrorice (Agastache) tall Perennial

"Tidy Tips" / Layia platyglossa / Layia elegans (Family Asteraceae)
. . . Annual Wildflower Western USA
. . . Velvet/Fuzzy-Textured foliage, herbaceous, Silver/Gray
. . . drought tolerant, reseeds even in Zone 3

Nemesia, Annual, part shade
. . . aromatic blue blooms, glossy herbaceous chartreuse/yellow foliage
. . . Requires consistently moist soil. WS, Bag seedheads

Chilean Glory Flower / Glory Vine / Eccremocarpus scaber (Family: Bignoniaceae)
. . . Tender Perennial Zone 8a flowers first year from seed

Pulsatilla vulgaris / Pasque Flower / Anemone pulsatilla / Anemone serotina
. . . drought-tolerant Perennial Zone 4
. . . nodding purple blooms very early spring through summer
. . . deciduous foliage is deeply divided with soft silvery hairs
. . . WS, direct sow fall, stratify indoors?

Tricolor Daisy / Chrysanthemum carinatum / Ismelia carinata

Sunflower "Moonwalker"

Larkspur, "Rocket" Annual 24-36" tall

Cosmos "Bright Lights Blend" / Cosmos sulphureus, drought tolerant annual reseeds freely

Corey
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2011
2:52 PM

Post #8734872

Corey ~ Will you take partial envelopes of commercial seeds? I have many kinds of seeds but only a few of each, as I save the leftovers and sometime I actually plant some the following year from the packets. Or will that be just too much trouble?

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2011
3:29 PM

Post #8734972

>> Will you take partial envelopes of commercial seeds

Sure! Love them!

>> Or will that be just too much trouble?

Actually, they're the least trouble since they already have name & info on them, and even have a picture. Although I've noticed that the info seldom has anything that sounds like a lot of work, like "needs stratification" or "divide every 3 years after established".

if they're partial, I don't even split them so don't need to make labels. I just tape them closed and file them into their category.

If a commercial pkt seems to have a lot more seeds than a home gardener is likely to need, I'll sometimes split it so more people get those seeds. I tend to go by how unusual the variety seems, and how old the seed is, and whether we have many or few similar seeds already.

Thanks again!

My SO is happy that I trade seeds, because now I check my mail slot often. I used to let bills pile up. She just accuses me of "propagating with those Flower Ladies again" and chuckles.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 3, 2011
5:40 PM

Post #8735288

Corey, I would like some of the lavender poppy seeds.

LOL @ your SO

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2011
6:06 PM

Post #8735359

>> lavender poppy seeds.

Sure thing, when they arrrive from nancy I'll forward some even prior to printing a color label.

Patti, not only do I not need to look up your address, but I still have spare pre-printed labels from Susie's Round Robin!

Corey
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

August 3, 2011
9:46 PM

Post #8735764

Ooooh...lavender poppy seeds!

I had better get into my seed boxes and start send you some seeds. They are all unsorted now, so it might be a while. I woudn't need any poppy seeds until winter anyway. I would just sow them in place, and not bother with all of that other stuff!

I really do have many seeds that I do not need. Now what about older seeds...??Some are a few years old. I have not tested germination on all of them.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 4, 2011
4:25 AM

Post #8735947

Hi Evelyn. Haven't seen you forever! Or is it because I lost this thread and you haven't seen me????? lol

I love poppies. Grew them for the first time this year. Red ones. The black peony poppy that I got seeds for did not get planted early enough as it went from winter to summer, with hardly any spring to grow in. I didn't plant them all, just in case. Then I have some regular orange California poppies. I would take any color of poppy seed you come up with Corey. I'm excited to see them in the spring.
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

August 4, 2011
12:43 PM

Post #8736801

Hi Rick,

I'll donate seed next week or a week later, depending on the time I have.

But may I also give some comments:
- If someone wants to donate seeds, they won't like some of the extra work you ask:
- Annual or perennial might depend on the zone where someone lives, there are a lot of perennials that can be grown as an annual in colder climates
- Hight and spacing depends so much on zone and type of soil
- A lot of shade plants will do well in full sun in colder climates, as well as some plants that usually need sun, will do better in semi shade in hot climates

Since it scared me a bit to send in seeds without all this info , others might think the same about it.

The newbies can look up some things them selves. Nothing wrong with that, they will learn from it. And it encourages them to learn more about gardening.

I will mention the zones, without mentioning it will be an annual or a perennial in which zones. Just an 'A' and/or an 'P' or an 'B' (biennual).

There are growing instructions on the packets.

I sent in seeds for the newbies before in seperate packets, but this time I'll send you a (little) bunch of seeds you'll have to repack in smaller packs again.

Jonna

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 4, 2011
5:19 PM

Post #8737320

Jonna,

>> If someone wants to donate seeds, they won't like some of the extra work you ask:

Thanks, Jonna! That's a very good point.

Please, anyone who's willing to donate seeds, you don't have to look up or list any information beyond the name, although color or "mixed colors" can be nice to know too. They are very much appreciated, and those donations are the only way this tradition can be continued.

The seeds are the thing!

Jonna, there are already many great seeds from you in the stash - I recognized your packaging. You always had an unambiguous name on your packets, which I think is great.


Evelyn,

Old seeds are just fine and much appreciated. Many are good for five years, and since this is not commercial, low germination can be handled by sowing twice as many. When I know it, I list the year collected, so people will know when they might need to sow extras.

I also suspect that some packets get re-traded, and that is where some of the Stash packets came from. If a pkt has been traded a few times, it may accumulate enough years that it is good to know whether they were harvested in (say) 2006 or 2011.

Thanks for seeds! The more variety there is in the stash, the easier to find something for people (say) in cold zones, or who wish for specific things.

Crit,
Check! “Any color poppies”, or rather, “several”.

I sowed four kinds last Spring, and then probably didn't water the remote bed enough between rainy days.

Lots of Orange CA came up, ONE red "Mikado" California Poppy, and ONE peony Poppy. I hope they self-reseed, despite my adding compost & mulch.

Corey

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 4, 2011
8:40 PM

Post #8737778

I have never had luck with poppies, and I especially LOVE the color orange. Patti - do you have a "black" poppy? I am very interested in all the black flowers coming out lately and just recently got my first basked of black petunias. They are GORGEOUS. But I wouldn't want a yard full of black flowers. :P

Like you all - I have many packets of old seed.

I have read on another thread/forum about using a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and water to pre-germinate seeds. People seem to have incredible germination rates even with seeds that are decades old!!! I'll post a link to the thread if I can find it. That sort of puts an end to worry about what year the seeds come from, though as Corey points out, many seeds remain viable for years and years.

Have a goodnight.

A.

Edited to say, "I found it!" I hope you enjoy it - there's some awesome information here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/423028/

This message was edited Aug 4, 2011 10:45 PM
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 4, 2011
8:50 PM

Post #8737807

Still sorting out my leftover stash of tomato seeds. I must have 10 different varieties to package up. Since I've done this before for Robin, I've got the label info pretty much nailed. These are considered "sample" size so the packs are only 20 seeds or so, but plenty for what most people would to plant anyway.

Al

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 4, 2011
8:55 PM

Post #8737816

I heard that "0.1%" is a good concentration. If nothing else, it will reduce the number of bacteria on the seed surface.

So dilute 3% drugstore Hydrogen peroxide by 32:1 ,
which is one ounce per half-gallon,
or one and a half tsp per cup.

This was my first year trying to start poppies, and they went out in the spring while there were still some mild frosts, instead of fall. They sprouted GREAT where the soil is heavy and moist no matter what I do. I think the ones in the sandy bed might have started to sprout and then dried out. Or they might still be dormant and surprise me next year!

Corey

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 4, 2011
8:58 PM

Post #8737820

Al, I remember seeing your labels in Robin's round robin. They were the best - in fact perfect.

Like a great skirt: long enough to cover the subject and short enough to be interesting.

Corey

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 4, 2011
9:08 PM

Post #8737833

Corey - I've read enough. "Like a great skirt." 8-P

I am rolling my eyes at you. And I also slapped my forehead.

Goodnight.

A.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 4, 2011
9:10 PM

Post #8737835

'Night!

(Guilty as charged.)
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

August 5, 2011
7:27 AM

Post #8738346

Are there seeds that are frequently asked, or seeds your looking for for the newbies?
If I have (enough of) these seeds, I will add them.

Jonna
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

August 5, 2011
1:37 PM

Post #8738901

AmandaEsq wrote:I have never had luck with poppies, and I especially LOVE the color orange.

I am very interested in all the black flowers coming out lately and just recently got my first basked of black petunias. They are GORGEOUS. But I wouldn't want a yard full of black flowers. :P

Like you all - I have many packets of old seeds



** Good, Amanda! I will see if I can save some seeds from various orange poppies I have in my new "hot bed"!

** Amanda, I have had a "Dark Side Garden" for about 10 years now, so the concept is not new. And it is true...if there are too many dark leaves, especially, the plants do not show up well. I have some with dark flowers and others with dark leaves. I am currently reworking this garden as it just needs it. I hope to show a better design and also make more room for a new veggie plot, now that a large pine tree has been recently felled.

** "Old seeds, coming up!" Make your want list Amanda...

marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

August 5, 2011
2:37 PM

Post #8738975

Anyone into cannas? I'm having to remove alot of cannas around my sons trailer They are really pretty and very tall. There are yellow ones with red dots on them, pure red and red and yellow mixed. I think they've been cross pollenating. Will try and post pictures.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 5, 2011
2:52 PM

Post #8738993

Thanks Evelyn! I am coaxing the pink campion into hanging on in this heat. I'm not sure if it likes my clay, but I am happy to have it. :)

I do so love those orange poppies. I guess maybe you just have to sow it on the ground directly and keep it moist? I have even tried growing in pots, but they are sort of delicate when they are tiny.

@ Marti - Welcome back! Glad you made it to CA. I don't need any cannas but if you take them out does that mean you can replace them with your own stuff? :)

Do keep us posted on the community bed you said you were looking into.

Ladies (and Corey)(ha ha hahhaa) we had a HIGH of 80 degrees today. I will TAKE it! The rain has missed my neighborhood entirely, but at least I got a lot of yard work done today. Hallelujah!

Ahem.

Happy Friday, ya'll. Have a good weekend.

A.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

August 5, 2011
3:19 PM

Post #8739034

AmandaEsq wrote:Thanks Evelyn! I am coaxing the pink campion into hanging on in this heat. I'm not sure if it likes my clay, but I am happy to have it. :)



I have clay, too, and it doesn't seem to matter. I will check for seeds, as I am always pulling out more seedlings. If you like, I will send you some more in the fall.

Evelyn

marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

August 5, 2011
6:42 PM

Post #8739321

This trailer is surrounded by very large green shubs and some cannas. I will move the cannas to the backof the space and get rid of all the bushes. Than I'll build planter box the length of the trailer space and plant my mini roses,, mini fuchsias and will have some room for a few daylilies. The lady that used to own this trailer was obsessed with making sure her neighbors weren't spying on her and planted all this green shubs to block the neighbors view of her trailer. Now I'm going to remove them and have some area to plant. The park gardener got down here today and cut down all the bushes off the porch area before I could get pictures, but have pictures of the area now. As I work on it I will continue to take pictures. As soon as we get the wireless rotor, I will be back on my own computer and will be able to post pictures.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 6, 2011
10:53 AM

Post #8740247

Amanda, I did get some black (deep purple)poppies in a trade. Didn't get them planted in time to bloom this year.

Marti, I would love some canna's. I've lost a lot of mine due to the drought and not being able to water them enough.

Still hot and dry here. Smoke is hanging in the air from grass fires several miles north of us. I took a drive to see if I could tell where the smoke was coming from and I couldn't, so may be just smoldering. Couldn't even see where the big grass fire was yesterday. Must of been back in a pasture, not along the road. 100* now, only suppose to go to 104*, but I'm not holding my breath.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

August 6, 2011
11:16 AM

Post #8740280

I'll pack up some for you. I'm going to try and enclude both colors and the mix.
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

August 6, 2011
11:51 AM

Post #8740357

About sowing poppies:
I winter sow all my poppies with great succes. They benefit from a cold period.
Poppie seeds need light to germinate, so never cover the seeds.
It's often said poppies don't transplant well, but if you transplant them early in pots and plant them in the garden when they're big enough to distuinguish them very well from weeds, there is no problem at all.
I have quite a lot of poppies (Papaver and Meconopsis)
Fast growing poppies like Papaver somniferum and Papaver rhoeas you can easily scatter in the garden from October until March in zone 6.
I advise to winter sow in containers the slower growing poppies, like Papaver miyabeanum, Papaver rupifragrum, Papaver orientalis and Meconopsis species.

Jonna
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 6, 2011
2:00 PM

Post #8740566

Thanks Marti
SoFlaCommercial
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 8, 2011
9:47 AM

Post #8744213

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

(Corey, I received my seeds today)

TO ALL WHO DONATED SEEDS, regardless if I'm the recipient:

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

Did I remember to say thank you?


Now to go research some of these plants so I know their requirements and where to put them in my garden.

Goddess Bless!


SFC

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 8, 2011
11:48 AM

Post #8744513

LOL - sounds like one happyy Newbie. :)

A.
SoFlaCommercial
West Palm Beach, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 8, 2011
2:16 PM

Post #8744851

Yeppers!

now i have to re-plot out my garden using my grow-veg software so I don't repeat the mistake I made in the spring by over planting and overcrowding.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 8, 2011
6:32 PM

Post #8745517

Yeah...i need some software like that! Being new and just reading the backs of generic packages i didn't quite space my stuff very well. My zucchini is absolutely taking over and shading out the gazillion turnips!!!! Didn't have a trellis for the cukes that decided to climb the carrots that are really fat, and really short weird shapes. and the watermelon...finally flowered! Lol. We're eating good though. Plenty of zukes and cukes cherry tomatoes are finally coming along with Italian Golds right behind them! Didn't get many beans or peas. But next year i have a plan!!!!
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 8, 2011
7:48 PM

Post #8745626

LOL @ SFC & Outlaw
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

August 9, 2011
11:50 AM

Post #8746750

i had a plan this year, but it wasnt a very good one. failed to take into consideration the time from planting till veggies could be picked. next year have to do better !!!!!!!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 9, 2011
11:55 AM

Post #8746760

My Daikon radishes have boomed and are overshadowing things arund them. Rather nice, frilly white flowers, and huge seed pods, too. If those seeds mature before the fall rains, I'll be able to save lots of radish seed.

Corey


JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

August 9, 2011
12:13 PM

Post #8746792

Corey, still waiting for your answer what seeds are frequently asked for.

Jonna

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 9, 2011
2:14 PM

Post #8746984

I'm sorry, Jonna, there is no specific answer, unless Robin has an idea from longer experience. Around 16 people have asked for a very wide variety of things.

Many people will ask for "perennial flowers hardy in their Zone" ... Zones 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 have come up.

For them, I have to pick from pkts that I happen to know are perennial, and guess at how hardy they are, since my gardening knowledge is slight. I haven't had time yet to look up all the "singleton" pkts and write down hardiness zone, or whether a name that I don't recognize is annual or perennial in some zones (or whether it is a flower or something else).

I did make one pass through every packet, and if that pkt was marked "[P]", or had a hardiness zone, or I recognized the name, I filed it that way.

If a name is completely unfamiliar, I don't even know if it's a flower, shrub, tree or vine.

What I researched first was anything that we had multiple pkts of, so that I could make one label and then label 5-30 pkts. Right now, that is mostly what I'm filling requests from.

I have some more recently donated seeds to file, some of them enough to divide 3-15 ways, and I looked those up already but still need to split them.

Corey
gardenseeder63
Concord, NH

August 10, 2011
10:39 AM

Post #8748652

would love some double peach holly hocks and shastas if possible? susan

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 10, 2011
11:36 AM

Post #8748833

>> would love some double peach holly hocks and shastas if possible?

Sure, both of those show in my notes as "multiple pkts".
I assume that is "Peaches & Dreams" Double Hollyhock.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 10, 2011
3:56 PM

Post #8749299

ohhhhhhhhh, I would like some of that too, please.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 10, 2011
4:29 PM

Post #8749351

Sure thing, Patti. I have you down for these:

lavender breadseed Poppies (Papaver somniferum)
Double Hollyhock "Peaches & Dreams"

Corey
gardenseeder63
Concord, NH

August 11, 2011
11:42 AM

Post #8750461

plus purple poppies if possible,ty

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 11, 2011
11:58 AM

Post #8750499

??
lavender breadseed poppies / Papaver somniferum http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/238/
??

I forget what else "The Stash" has for poppies, but I'll look. If not, I think I have some of this left:
"Lauren's Grape" Opium Poppy Papaver somniferum

Corey
gardenseeder63
Concord, NH

August 11, 2011
5:21 PM

Post #8751041

your the best! what would you like in return?

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 11, 2011
8:29 PM

Post #8751423

One of these years, maybe send some left-over or saved seeds to the New Bee stash?

No problemo.

Corey

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 11, 2011
8:36 PM

Post #8751435

Waitaminute! Isn't this your first year subscribing to DG? So you don't owe the Stash anything, you've got at least 10 pkts of something coming.

>>>>>>>>>>>
Double Hollyhock "Peaches & Dreams"
Shasta Daisy Leucanthemum x superbum 'Amelia'
Light Pink Hollyhock
purple poppy
lavender breadseed poppies / Papaver somniferum http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/238/
"Lauren's Grape" Opium Poppy Papaver somniferum
sure I'd like anything I'm low on seeds
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 12, 2011
5:22 AM

Post #8751725

I LOVE purple anything! I grew poppies for the first time this spring and fell in love. They were the red ones. I saved seed and will send some in Corey. Can you send me both purple poppy seeds?

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 12, 2011
6:39 AM

Post #8751801

Patti - going to send you some cuttings of my purple ivy geranium. Just gave it a haircut today, maybe I'll get some roots going on it and wait till it cools down out there a bit.

I love purple (and you!) too.

A.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 12, 2011
10:10 AM

Post #8752148

THANKS A. My red ivy geranium that was so pretty a month ago finally totally gave up and died from the extremem heat. I love the ivy geraniums, and the scented ones too. My peppermint died from the heat. It was like overnight, things died.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 12, 2011
10:19 AM

Post #8752161

Poor things. I'm so sorry. For as bad as it is here I can't imagine what I would do. I spot water with a watering can almost every plant every day that gets full sun. Many of mine are still in seedling stage not planted earlier because of health or heat. I use water collected from the condensation released from the a/c unit.

This geranium is kind of sad looking which is why I gave it a good haircut this morning. I'd had it hanging in full sun and it probably prefers a little less.

Love it though, bring all my geraniums in over winter. I have an orange one that had blooms the size of hydrangeas in January. Honest! :D

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 12, 2011
10:22 AM

Post #8752165

>> I saved seed and will send some in Corey.

That's great and much appreciated! The Stash doesn;'t have mush poppy seed, but I do have a bag for it ... there's plenty of room in the bag!

I tried to start 4 varieties of poppy this year but only Orange Califonia Poppy thrived. I'm going to save and share that seed, if those long green pods ever mature. ONE Mikado (red-orange) CA Poppy sprouted. Funny - the bloom color seems to change as each bloom ages.

>> Can you send me both purple poppy seeds?

Certainly. I'll also snoop aorund for other things I know are purple - maybe Salvia Clevlandii and Allium? Both have somewhat wild bloom shapes, and both are purple.

Corey

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 12, 2011
2:41 PM

Post #8752595

Oooh!!! If you find allium can i have some of that too?!! :) purple and yellow seems to be what's going on in my gardens

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 12, 2011
5:44 PM

Post #8752812

I'll split what Allium I have left three ways. It sprouted fine in my trays, but I haven't seen it anywhere in the gorund since the first day I put it out. Probably the darn slugs again!!

Allium hollandicum / Allium aflatunense / Flowering Onion
"Purple Sensation" (lilac purple)
Thnaks to Huneybunch_2000 and the Hog Wild Swap for the Allium seed!


Would either of you purple-people like "Easter Bonnet" Alyssum (violet/lavender from Star in the HWS)? it's a small pkt, but I see now that I have more Alyssum varieties than I have room for, and I'd rather not get the pollen mixed.

(But I'm holding on to my "Aphrodite Wine Red" Alyssum, also from Star, for my "Goddess Garden" when i have enough soil for it.)

Corey

Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 12, 2011
6:30 PM

Post #8752861

Sure Corey, would love it.

OK ... you guys just have to see this. Many of you know our good friend ridesredmule, Charleen. She does wonders with polymer clay. I lost my Polly dog unexpectedly on August 2nd, due to heat stress. I'm just heartsick. So, look at this picture of Polly. Then in the next post, look at this polymere "Polly" she made for me. It is just fabulous and so perfect, right down to her floppy right ear.

DG friends are THE BEST!!!!!

Patti

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Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 12, 2011
6:31 PM

Post #8752862

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OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 12, 2011
6:46 PM

Post #8752883

Aww!!! That's so sweet!!! I love it! Crit my heart goes out to you hun. I know how hard it is. You'll get through babe.
Just "hang in there!"

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skellogg
Sundance, WY
(Zone 3b)

August 12, 2011
9:50 PM

Post #8753111

I have some fresh allium seeds from this year. Be happy to send some to you Corey, and anyone else need a few, let me know! I've never grown them from seed. How long do they take?
gardenseeder63
Concord, NH

August 13, 2011
4:21 AM

Post #8753276

would love some skellogg
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 13, 2011
6:50 AM

Post #8753516

I've haven't grown alliums from seeds, all of mine were planted as bulbs. The purple flowers are very similar to common chives only much larger depending on type and variety. I have noticed seeds forming around the flower, but it would likely take a long time to grow to flowering stage again. Since this plant is perenial in my area maybe I could assume that some natural "reseeding" might occur on established plants.

Anyone have any experience growing alliums from seeds? Are they worth saving? Can they become invasive like chives?

Al

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skellogg
Sundance, WY
(Zone 3b)

August 13, 2011
8:51 AM

Post #8753660

Mine are all from bulbs too Al. I don't think they are too terribly invasive here in our frozen north tho, as they don't seem to spread and take over much in my beds. But mine haven't been in the ground but a couple of years tho either. They wouldn't be sterile would they? Can't imagine they would be, but who knows I guess. Mine are some kind of giant alliums, grow up here about 3-4 feet tall when blooming, with a big purple head. Be happy to send you seeds garden seeder! Are you in the address exchange? I can look up your addie and get them out to you in the next couple of days. Our PO is closed on Saturdays, so will have to wait til Monday, but can get them out then. I'll send you some too Rick for the newbies.
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 13, 2011
9:20 AM

Post #8753695

I've got lots of alliums and seeds, maybe Rick can use them, Sandi.

The ones I have are like yours, about 4' tall with purple flowers about grapefruit size. They are beautiful in bloom but don't seem to last too long. I have dug them in the fall and split cloves from the mother bulb just like garlic, which seems to me a lot easier and more productive than trying to grow seeds.

Yes everybody, my address is in the Extra File if you need it.

Anybody growing my sunflowers? I think I sent about a hundred packets around the country.

Al
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2011
10:42 AM

Post #8753812

I grew several onions from seed and they are not invasive, some may self sow, but they are very easy to remove.
I grow Allium afflatunense, A. moly (not really Alliums for starters, it takes some years to get them in bloom), A. cernuun, A. cyatophorum farreiri, A. cyaneum, A. ramosum. Those last ones are easy to grow from seed and are fast growing.

The best is to winter sow the seeds in the year of harvest. Older seeds will only germinate after sowing them first warm, than a cold period and than another warm period.

Jonna
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 14, 2011
8:25 AM

Post #8755654

I would love to have some alliums! They sound beautiful and I love purple!!!!!!!!!!

Al, I didn't get any of my sunflowers planted this year. There was so much going on this spring that I didn't get my new bed made like I planned to, but hope to have it ready to go by next season. My little tiki log never sprouted. :-( I finally threw it away yesterday, but thanks so much for sending! I LOVE the shell necklace you sent! And everything else too.
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 14, 2011
8:51 AM

Post #8755689

It took a long long time for my ti log to sprout, but it finally sent out roots and one small sprig of green. This has been since last March when we vacationed in Hawaii. I transplanted it to a pot just last week with hopes that it will grow better on my patio. Others seem to have better luck than I have, but we'll see..it might work yet.

I haven't heard from Jan (Mekos) in a while, she was a real expert on ti logs.

Al

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AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 14, 2011
9:51 AM

Post #8755795

Al - the critters outside don't seem to want to let me grow any of the scarlet runner beans, either. :/

lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 14, 2011
10:14 AM

Post #8755829

Amanda, you could put the rest of them in a pot and make soup out of them..lol. Always worked for me.

Al

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 14, 2011
11:58 AM

Post #8755985

Har har. ;)

A.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 14, 2011
3:01 PM

Post #8756275

My log was kinda starting to smell, like it was rotting. I hope I didn't throw it away too soon, but I thought if it hadn't by now it was alive.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 15, 2011
11:42 PM

Post #8758850

Crit,
Sympathy for losing your dog! I know how much we can love our pets.

In time, the pain will be less, and you'll still have your memories, always bright.

Corey

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 15, 2011
11:48 PM

Post #8758858

I would love some Allium seed, both for myself and the stash.

I won't know how long they take to bloom until I get some past the seedling stage. I started just a few indoors and thought they were pretty vigorous once they came up, but before I could finish hardening them off, they disapeared. Maybe I should pot them up before putting them outside, or start them in larger cells. Or put them outside into warmer weather than we have, like under plastic!

(I did try WSing them too, but it was my first year WSing and they didn't come up. My bad, I'm sure.)

Maybe the slugs took them first, or some virulent damping off took them before anything else, or it was over or under-watering. I'll try again next year!

I remember thinking that the blooms looked really cool (in photos).

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 16, 2011
4:57 AM

Post #8759021

Thanks Corey. I am going to make a memory garden around her grave. A DG friend sent me a list of some flowers with Polly in the name. One of her nicknames was Polly Wog and there are a bunch that have that in their name as well. So, if you happen across something with Polly in the name, would you send me a packet?
skellogg
Sundance, WY
(Zone 3b)

August 16, 2011
8:10 AM

Post #8759361

Okay, this is what I have so far on allium seeds. Seeds to Crit, Gardenseeder, Corey, and Outlaw Heart. Did I miss anyone, and are all the addresses in the exchange? I can get these out right away!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 16, 2011
7:58 PM

Post #8760457

Thanks a ton, skellogg!

Crit,
>> if you happen across something with Polly in the name, would you send me a packet?

Will do! I can thumb through the "I never heard of THAT" pkts in the stash.

Also, I see 150 matches in Plant search, so I'll list some synonyms and repeat the thumbing.
It'll also get me more familiar with the seed names I don;t know.

Polypody
Polypodium
Polyantha (mostly roses)
Polyalthia
Polyanthus Primrose
Polygala
Polytrichum (Moss, ferns)
Polystichum
Polyscias

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 17, 2011
4:35 AM

Post #8760807

Thanks Corey & Skellogg!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 29, 2011
10:31 PM

Post #8784329

Jonna!

Wow, thank you! - 14 varieties, and all of them will split many ways! Thanks very very much!

Some of these are huge packets!

new seeds from JonnaSudenius August 29, 2011:

French Marigold - Tagetes patula - “Jolly Jester” [A]
Creeping False Holly - - Jaltomata procumbens - [A] vegtable (make jelly)
Great Burdock - - Arctium lappa - - Biennial Zones 3a-10b
Catmint “Cool Cat”- Nepeta subsessilis - [P] Zones 3a-7b
Delphinium elatum - - - - - - - purples - - [P] Zones 3a-8b
Bladder Campion - - Silene vulgaris - - -[P] Zones 3a-8b
Big Betony - - Stachys macrantha - - - - [P] Zones 4a-8b
Korean Mint - Agastache rugosa alabaster [P] Zones 4a-9b
Flowering Onion - - Allium aflatunense - [P] Zones 4a-9b
Heartleaf Oxeye - - Telekia speciosa - - [P] Zones 5a-8b
- Allium cyathophorum var. farreri - - - - - [P] Zones 5a-8b
- Amica montana - yellow medicinal herb - [P] Zones 5a-8b
Nettle-Leaved Mullein - Verbascum chaixii [P] Zones 5a-9b
Peach-Leaved Bellflower - Campanula persicifolia [P] Zones 3a-7b

I appreciate how you've labelled them: names, hardiness zone, Annual/Perennial, even sowing instructions and viability date! Really fantastic. That makes it really easy for me to divvy them up and know who to give them to - especailly the Annual /Perennial and Zone info.

Thank you!

Corey


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gardenseeder63
Concord, NH

August 30, 2011
3:50 AM

Post #8784471

would love some delephinums thrown in my pack please xo susan

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

August 30, 2011
7:10 AM

Post #8784780

Very nice!

:)

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 30, 2011
12:44 PM

Post #8785272

Susan,

Delphinium elatum - purples - - check!

Hardy to Zone 3, they should even over-winter for you.

Corey
JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

August 30, 2011
1:29 PM

Post #8785342

I would love to end up some of my seeds in NH. I had 3 students volunteering in my garden from NH in June for 10 days.
It was a great experience to learn more from the American culture. So much different from the Dutch culture. I live in Belgium,but I'm Dutch.

Jonna

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 30, 2011
6:01 PM

Post #8785790

I never lived in New Hampshire, but I've hiked in some of the White Mountains, and I lived in New England for around 20 years. However, the winters! The winters!!


Jonna, would you say any of these are likely to be at all "invasive" in some climates?
I know they can't be dangerous, or you wouldn't have sent them.

Someone raised the question about them "spreading by root runners" and maybe being "hard to eradicate or invasive", especially the Arctium lappa (Great Burdock).

However, I couldn't find any other warnings online about being invasive, so i just added a note to the Nepeta (Catmint) : "mint: runners may be invasive"

Great Burdock - - Arctium lappa - - Biennial Zones 3a-10b
Creeping False Holly - - Jaltomata procumbens - - [A] vegtable (make jelly)
Catmint “Cool Cat”- Nepeta subsessilis - [P] Zones 3a-7b
Big Betony - - Stachys macrantha - - - - [P] Zones 4a-8b
Korean Mint - Agastache rugosa alabaster [P] Zones 4a-9b
Amica montana - yellow medicinal herb [P] Zones 5a-8b
Nettle-Leaved Mullein - Verbascum chaixii [P] Zones 5a-9

The only one I know anything about, myself, is another Nepeta variety ("Walker's Catmint") , and even though I was given a bare-root plant, I couldn't even keep it alive. That doesn't sound invasive! Maybe I tried to put it into the gorund too late in the year, too cold to establish itself. Or maybe the soil was too shallow or clay-ey. Or the shock of moving from hot, dry Texas to cool, wet WA Fall was too big a change.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Corey


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OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 30, 2011
8:11 PM

Post #8786009

I'd love French marigolds. No burdock please! We have a dog who brings enough seeds to me on his coat. Lol

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 30, 2011
8:19 PM

Post #8786027

Gotcha covered, Outlaw. If you like variety, I think I have more French Marigolds in my own stash: ones that must be immune to slugs, because some survived in my yard!

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

August 30, 2011
8:26 PM

Post #8786037

Lol those would be great! I'm tired of feeding the slugs. Lol send me whatever. I love it all. Just don't send back any that i sent you. Lol

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 30, 2011
8:27 PM

Post #8786039

I couldn't find any warnings online about any of the seeds in Post # 8785790 being invasive or hard to eradicate, but would encourage anyone who's had bad experiences with any of the seeds in the third post of this thread, or anything they got from New Bee Seeds, to let us know.

Also, if you got low germination, that would be good to know. Many of the packets in The Stash have no dates on them, but if someone finds something with low germination, I can double or triple those pkts, and add a warning, so recipients can expect low germination.

Corey

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 30, 2011
8:30 PM

Post #8786045

>> Just don't send back any that i sent you

Hah! Ya never know, with my leaky brain-pan.

Sometimes, late at night, I'm trying to rememeber whether something was
asked for, or sent to me, by the person I'm making a pkg for.

Clearly, handling large numbers of seeds erode the brain.

Corey


JonnaSudenius

(Zone 6b)

August 31, 2011
1:54 PM

Post #8787261

The Arctium lappa is a biennual and is not invasive at all.
The only one that spreads via runners is the Arnica montana, but it's easy to pull out.
A plant can be invasive in a particular area, particular soil or particular zone. None of the seeds I sent in are invasive in my zone/garden.
So please everyone who asks for seeds must check if the plant is invasive in his or here state.

Jonna

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 31, 2011
6:17 PM

Post #8787676

>> So please everyone who asks for seeds must check if the plant is invasive in his or her state.

That is good advice for everyone, everywhere. Sometimes I call my local "Master Gardeners" since it is such a local question. They seem to enjoy answering the phone for a qustion that has a pretty specific, knowable answer.

Where I looked online, no one at all called any of them "invasive" or hard to get rid of.

Last night I printed and partly cut up several hundreds of little labels! That, and the measuring seeds out with little spoons and little funnels into little ziplocks is the part I like best, becuase it isn't confusing and no decisions or special knowledge are needed.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 31, 2011
6:51 PM

Post #8787728

What are French Marigold's?

Corey, if you get any French Hollyhocks, I would love to have some. I had them when I lived in Kansas. They have tiny purple flowers, look just like regular ones but smaller.

I think you are doing great with the seed stash!!!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

August 31, 2011
7:09 PM

Post #8787755

Patti, I am just SO much not the right person to ask what a certain flower is! When you siad I was "knowledgable" in some feedback, I had to post a rebuttal! (but thank you)

The one French Marigold that I ever planted was small (low to the gorund, like 9-12" in my clay, and patterned yellow-and-red blooms. MUCH shorter and fancier than other marigolds. But that's just one variety.


I don't recall seeing "French Hollyhocks" in the "Hollyhock Bag" but I just looked them up. If that means
"Malva sylvestris " and/or "Mallow", I think "yes", and maybe "yes several".

Two people (from KS & Portland, Oregon) said this variety was "invasive": Malva sylvestris 'Zebrina'. But as someone told me about something that others thoguht was invasive: "maybe not, if you know what you're doing". I guess that means always dead-heading. Someone said "deep tap roots. I dunno!

I've added those to the "Want List" for your package, and you can decide if they're likely to be hard to eradicate where you live.

The only "invasive" thing I knowingly planted, I still haven't been able to grow past the 1" seedling stage after 3 tries. .

Corey
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

August 31, 2011
7:57 PM

Post #8787831

Corey ~ You are doing a terrific job with the seeds! Keep up the good work. It is a tedious task for me just to sort my seeds, but when I do, I will send you a good size packet.

I am still starting seeds. Actually I have started a few fall veggies and I hope to get the biennials sown soon, as I wanted to do them earlier, but it was too hot and I know I would not have kept them watered. I suppose I could start some in the seed-starting procedure that I go through each winter; some in the plastic fruit boxes, and larger ones in cell packs covered until germination, on the back porch. That would be the only way I can keep an eye on the new ones. I did put a few in a square foot garden and put some flats over them and now I see a few seedlings, finally. I never know when I do that as it is so hot and I don't know when or if they germinate. It takes a while that way.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

August 31, 2011
8:05 PM

Post #8787841

Outlaw... can you tell me what a French Marigold is?

Zebrina ... that's it. They make seeds like a regular hollyhock does. I want them to spread. They are so delicate, and I LOVE purple. Here, they also come back from the roots each year.

Saw the hand doc this morning. He is suggesting surgery on my finger to reconnect the nerves. If I leave it, I have a 50% of them finding each other. Could take up to 2 years and don't know how much I might get back. I expect they are pretty frayed being ripped like they were. My plan was to get a 2nd opinion is the diagnosis was surgery, but he is going to be gone 2 weeks and wants to do it Friday night before he leaves. Yes, night...lol 7:30 p.m. He said I could wait until Sept. 13 when he gets back if I want to get a 2nd opinion. He said it could be done, but may not get as good results as I would if we do it now. I figure if he wants to do it at night before he leaves, it really should be done, so I'm going to do it. I really need to be able to feel that finger so I can type and run a calculator. That is important for the work that I do, and with going to have to apply for new jobs soon, I need to be able to pass typing tests! Pray for good results.

Time for bed. Nighty-Night
hmacdona
Calgary, AB
(Zone 3a)

August 31, 2011
8:09 PM

Post #8787844

Corey,

I'm in zone 3a and have various forms of malvas growing here. In my zone, they are quite hardy, and one of the few perennials that put on a nice showing thoughout late august and into september when everything is fading. They do self seed, so you have to keep on top of them, but I personally think they're beautiful. If a seedling pops up where or I don't want it in the spring, or even if several of them do, they're easy to dig up and pass along to another person. I freecycle my extra seedlings in the spring.

If I dig them up when they're no more than a few inches tall, they transplant well, and have not had an opportunity to develop a strong tap root.

Even when they get bigger, they're not hard to pull out, so extras are really not difficult to get rid of. At least in my experience. They're a whole lot easier than daisies or yarrow...LOL

I personally love that they are covered in so many vibrant colours, hold up to my wind, rain and out of this world hail storms...and they always come back with a bunch.

Just my two bits...

Thanks...Heather

Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

September 1, 2011
1:07 AM

Post #8788048

French Marigolds are the small ones, maybe 6-8," often single. I love them, use them in planters and in the herb and veggie gardens. They get quite bushy and are covered with flowers once they get going. Very sweet and cheerful looking...

Pam
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 1, 2011
7:27 AM

Post #8788328

I've grown a few mariglods which doesn't necessarily make me an expert, but here's my input

French Marigolds (Tagetes patula) are generally short 10"-12" varieties with smallish flowers used in border and edging plantings. A good example is the common generic O/P "Sparky".

African Marigolds (Tagetes erecta) are much taller 2'-3' plants often bearing large carnation type flowers that make excellent stem cuts. A good example is the commom generic O/P "Crackerjack"

Before I go any further, I will also say that there are many, many variations on both, which can be found in seed catalogs and DG's plantfiles. If you are looking for something specific, that's the place to find them.

All marigolds are easy and fun to grow, you can add a lot of color and excitement ot your garden for a minimal price just by sowing seeds. The generic O/P's are easy seed savers as well, simply pluck off the completely dried flower heads, trim off the excess flower petals with scizzors and flick the seeds into cool-whip containers for winter storage. Right now (fall) is the time to look for dried seed heads from neighbors and friends for next year's planting.

Al

"Sparky"

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OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 1, 2011
7:33 AM

Post #8788342

Right now!? Fall!!!????? Take that back! dirty words. Lol
why am i planning my winter sowing efforts? Ugh where did summer go?
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 1, 2011
7:35 AM

Post #8788345

Another pix of the tall African type

Al

"Crackerjack"

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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 1, 2011
12:45 PM

Post #8788825

Thanks Heather: probably the difference in opinions comes down to what you said, and what someone else said about some other plant:

"They're not invasive if you know what you're doing"

>> They do self seed, so you have to keep on top of them,
>> If a seedling pops up where or I don't want it ... they're easy to dig up and pass along to another person.
>> If I dig them up when they're no more than a few inches tall, they transplant well, and have not had an opportunity to develop a strong tap root.
>> Even when they get bigger, they're not hard to pull out,

And, I would guess that deadheading every few weeks would cut down on the re-seeding.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 2, 2011
5:09 AM

Post #8789810

Thanks Al, now that I see your pic of sparky, I know what they are. Yes I love those too!!! I always save marigold seed. I have several variety including African. Just didn't know those were called French Marigolds. :-)

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 2, 2011
7:59 PM

Post #8790904

Al do you happen to have any 'cracker jack' seeds for postage or possible trade?
I lost my baby, a coon hound named cracker. Her full name was 'cracker jack' I'm working on building a memory garden over her grave.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 2, 2011
11:07 PM

Post #8791069

African Marigold "Crackerjack", you bet! Even if the stash doesn't, I have some from Botancial Interest for 2010. 2.5 - 3 feet tall, 4" gold, orange & yellow blooms.

I don't have my "records" with me, but I might still owe you your package. I think I sent it, but couldn't swear to it.

Either way, I'd like to contribute them to Cracker's memory garden. They are very cheerful and vigorous flowers, hopefully that fits your dog.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 3, 2011
11:02 AM

Post #8791578

Aww thanks!!! Yes that was her alright. One win away from grand knight champion. A great coon hound and a better lap dog. She stole our couch and our hearts and i was so excited to hunt her this year since I've never hunted. Let alone racoons. With dogs. I'm a city girl. But we got our little house in the country and our hound and i was ready! Miss her every day, except during thunder storms.
Oh, edited to add her full name was 'fire cracker' we just called her cracker jack' somewhere dustin's brother has all her paperwork. I'll have to check it out.

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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 7, 2011
9:37 AM

Post #8797616

If I had ever been able to germinate the perennial Penstemon eatonii "Firecracker", I would send some of them also. They're supposed to be wildflowers, but I guess that means they don't germinate in captivity!

I found a whole pkt of commercial Crackerjack marigolds and I'll split them with you. I always got good germination in the past. (sow inside 4-6 wks B4 last frost or OUTSIDE AFTER last frost )

Corey

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 7, 2011
3:08 PM

Post #8798004

Awesome! Thank you so much!!!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 7, 2011
3:25 PM

Post #8798027

Your very welocme. And unless my "records" are messed up, I still owe you all the other seeds we've discussed (including French marigolds, for contrast.

Slow Corey

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 7, 2011
3:54 PM

Post #8798076

Lol! It's fine. Take your time. They're all for winter sow...which is creeping up on us quickly! Besides, i change my mind what i like every 5 seconds. Lately my focus has been on my native woodland shade garden. So...if you have anything in that category that's my good too. Lol I'll pretty much love whatever i get. Unless it's mint. No mint. Lol

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 7, 2011
4:04 PM

Post #8798090

>> native woodland shade garden.

If my Brunnera establish themselves, next year I may be able to send roots. Good in shade. Rather like Forget-Me-Nots, but different genus.

But I only have a few Brunnera seeds, and they do seem to need stratification. I had 4 / 120 seeds germinate without stratification.

nhuntley sent them to me this year: some roots and some seeds.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 9, 2011
9:02 PM

Post #8801615

Outlaw - I will put together a list of native plants for you for shade. I'll share with Corey and if we can scrape together some seeds we'll figure it out.

I was a natives only purist for a little while. Thankfully (?!) you folks on DG have caused me to have a change of heart.

Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 10, 2011
4:37 PM

Post #8802698

That's a good thing A.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2011
9:32 AM

Post #8803526

Lol Amanda! I know what you mean. Somehow every dg here seems to have sent me irises?! I like them, but didn't know the first thing about them. Now i will have a gorgeous iris garden.
And Well the shade garden is literally in the woods behind my house. There are quite a few natives already here, so far I've found red baneberyy, white baneberry ( dolls eyes), false solomon's seal, solomon's seal, Jack in the pulpit, and then there are things I'm sure I've yet to discover.
The front gardens are a whole other story. Lol I'm actually planning a complete overhaul for spring since i mostly focused on getting things in the dirt, and not the collective plan. It's lookin a hot mess. -_-"
Anyway. I found that what i truelly love is hydrangeas and ferns and hostas. Love the look often seen around old Victorian houses. Not a lot of color, but to each his own. There are plenty of other areas where i can put the bright flowery stuff. :) here's a picture of the garden I'm referring to...

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Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 11, 2011
10:16 AM

Post #8803575

LOL oitlaw. I'm thinkin' "someone" is a Clean House watcher with the "hot mess". lol

This is a mimosa tree stump that we had to cut down this spring. We are going to dig out in front of it and put in a pond. I am going to leave some of the suckers that are coming up from the roots as part of the background, and keep them trimmed down. Then have a miniature garden somewhere in the design, along with plants planted around it. Add a pump and some fish and walaaaaaaaaa...oasis in my back yard! :-)

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OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2011
11:19 AM

Post #8803644

I've never seen this clean house you speak of... Including in my own house! Lol it's a disaster. We moved in in December and still have unpacked boxes. I'm actually on a break right now. If you can see the mess on the porch there it's a combination of everything i moved out of the kitchen to mop, plus painting supplies since we painted the house this weekend. Red & blue, i don't like it but my DMIL picked it out since this was her childhood home, and we rent from her. I just nod and smile. And pretend that i like it, for her, but also it just feels wrong to think red white and blue is atrocious on September 11th. Lol

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OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2011
11:34 AM

Post #8803650

Oh yeah, adding that so help me Corey if you send red white and blue seeds. I'll sing loudly, badly, god bless the usa, and courtesy of the red white and blue, and every other ballad i can think of! Lol
DMIL wants me to plant red geraniums.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 11, 2011
4:35 PM

Post #8804032

LOL..."a hot mess" is something Neicy Nash says on the show "Clean House" where they go in and clean out and redo the house so it is real nice,

Don't feel bad, we moved to this house in December '09 and I still have boxes I haven't unpacked. lol It is a bigger house but I had a 10'x10' storage rented of my stuff. The house is bigger but not a lot of storage area.

My Mom loved geraniums, they are an old time favorite. I have to admit, I like them too.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2011
4:48 PM

Post #8804056

I don't dislike them. I just never felt drawn to them, especially since they aren't hardy here, i usually have a hard time justifying the extreme expense of the nicer hanging baskets of them here. The ones at the big boxes always look dead. :(
I think i'm just stubborn About my gardens and want what i want. Lol

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 11, 2011
7:12 PM

Post #8804246

Oh you guys...

You might remember I'm a territory rep for Metrolina Greenhouses. Largest heated single site greenhouse in North America.

anyway. WE supply big box stores up and down the east coast. Trust me the plants don't look like that when we ship 'em!!!

However, when I find a beauty on the clearance rack, or even just hanging there waiting for clearance (I try not to take advantage of this - I do pull plants that need to be rotated to clearance). I remember in particular this purple ivy geranium you have all heard me talk about . The nice/unusual plants are usually the first to go. I was surprised to see this geranium still hanging, albeit mostly bloomed out, so I picked all the blooms off the plant so no one would buy it (who would buy a geranium with no blooms!?!) before I could hijack it out of there.

It could be my favorite plant. I don't really have a lot of "houseplants" per se, but those that I bring in from outdoors I consider to be . . . I have really grown to love geraniums overwinter - last winter I had an orange geranium with blooms as big as hydrangeas - I swear!!! It's crapped out out there this summer. The giant plant/rootstock just came out of its pot with only a little green left, but there is a nice new little plant in the pot where it used to be. I hope it's an orange geranium!!! I picked up a gorgeous salmon colored number this spring and the stems are the most interesting brown/black/red and odd colored leaves. Of course, now that I've abused it all summer not so much looking like that. I just recently gave it a haircut.

Those HB have 4 or 5 good sized plants in there. We (the stores) sell a 12" HB for about $5. You really can't beat it. Much of the time the plants don't have an ID if you're into that, but for me, it's become the way to go. I put some snapdragons in the ground last November and they have bloomed all summer. I'm calling them perennial now. I am cutting them back a little at a time so they can send up new shoots, and little by little they are making a spectacular comeback (these are yellow skyrocket).

these are the snaps that some crazy @$%^Y$%^&@!!! came by and cut down all my seed pods and stole them one night. So I have no seeds to share. I was so pissed off. But the plants are still lovely. I think I know who it is. This woman walks the neighborhood with her dog and a paper shopping bag. I'm on to her - I watch her combing thru people's garbage and stuff. Nothing wrong with that - but touch my snaps again and I'll have to get the shotgun!!!

Moral of the story - don't turn your nose up at retail big box plants. We supply Lowe's Home Improvement, Walmart, Sam's Clubs, many grocery chains like Food Lion, Lowe's, and Harris Teeter - at least in my neck of th woods.

Ok. 'nuff said.

A.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 11, 2011
7:44 PM

Post #8804299

Didn't you say you had some starts of that purple ivy for me after it's haircut?

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2011
8:08 PM

Post #8804341

Oh dear! So sorry Amanda, didn't mean to sound like I'm bashing big box plants. I buy enough of them, on clearance even, just never tried geraniums.
I'm sure it's not the fault of the greenhouse that ship them, I've seen some crazy things at various stores, including bone dry hydrangeas and stopping wet cacti. Lol
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 12, 2011
7:23 AM

Post #8804884

We've seen the same problem time and time again here, too, especially at Walmart. Lowes doesn't seem quite as bad. If we're lucky enough to get the plants right off the delivery truck, it's usually pretty good quality. If Walmart employees have to take care of it for a week, it's usually pretty dead. Like these folks have never seen a plant before, let alone a water hose or what to do with one.

Al
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 12, 2011
2:51 PM

Post #8805517

I know. It's sad to see how they are taken care of, or NOT, after they are delivered to the stores!

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 12, 2011
6:11 PM

Post #8805830

I'd ko to work in the garden section, but something tells me I'd get fired for spending too much time deadheading, pruning, watering, relocating the burn victims, and those struggling towards the sun.warning customers of potentially noxious plants, or poor perfomers. Lol I'm just too honest for a sales job.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2011
8:19 PM

Post #8806059

At least it would be nice to have someone that knows what their talking about.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 13, 2011
3:04 AM

Post #8806259

believe me! I am as disgusted as anyone to see what happens to a plant at Walmart in July. :/

Some stores have people who know what they're doing. Some don't. Regrettably, management doesn't allocate enough staff/hours to the garden department. Try getting them to rotate those dead plants off the display - you couldn't let rotten bananas sit in the produce department. I don't get how they don't see it's the same outside.

Anyway - I'm not offended personally. Just saying. :D

Yes, Patti - I did say that - I don't know why but the cuttings didn't fare so well and ended in one of my garden beds. Have to wait till the next haircut. ;)

Have a groovy day!

A.
marti001
Somerset, KY
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2011
11:56 AM

Post #8806855

I went to WalMart in Bakersfield one day and they had plants on sale for a really low price and they were a plant that I wanted. BUT once I looked at them I left them at WalMart. They were covered with little white fuzzy bugs!! I pointed it out to the employee in the garden area and told her the plants should not be sold and needed to be remove and guranteed. She said they knew about the bugs, thats why the plants were on special sale. To get rid of them.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 13, 2011
1:11 PM

Post #8806957

ha ha ha ha!
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 13, 2011
6:35 PM

Post #8807349

I went to Lowe's today and spent the gift card that GAgirl sent me for my birthday. :-) Got hardy hibiscus in 1 gal. pots for $1.74. Gave 3.49 for one last Thursday. Also got a rose of Sharon and another plant that b'flys like and has a nice scent for $6.98. 2 Persion Shields that are large and in good shape for $1.74. Just hate to have to overwinter them.

Was101* today and Thursday's high is forecast of 64* for a high, then back to the 70's and 80's.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 13, 2011
6:59 PM

Post #8807406

Get your winter coat out! After 100°, 64° will feel more like 46°!!!!
Nice haul though. That was a sweet gift!

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 15, 2011
7:24 PM

Post #8810326

I really like Lowe's because they mark their plants down to make any kind of money. Other chains only go so low. I got a lot of cool plants at Lowe's last fall. I'm afraid to go there now that I'm broke. :D
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 16, 2011
4:46 AM

Post #8810653

I've found that HD doesn't mark down. They would rather throw them away and get a refund from whomever they got the plants from. That is what one of the workers told me.

I LOVE Lowes though!
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 16, 2011
6:59 PM

Post #8811630

Here we are getting ready to put up a batch of spagetti sauce. We're picking off pretty heavy right now.

Al

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lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 16, 2011
7:03 PM

Post #8811634

Here's more...

Al

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lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 16, 2011
7:09 PM

Post #8811644

Grandaughter Olivia is enjoying the corn she picked out of the garden herself. Pretty much ear to ear so to speak.

Al

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lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 16, 2011
7:17 PM

Post #8811651

I've got a whole wall full of Heavenly Blue morning glories that DGer Mekos sent me last Spring. Beautiful!

Al

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lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 16, 2011
7:23 PM

Post #8811657

This is Wifey's lighthouse garden with new marigold arrangement this year. We're trying to fill in with perenials a bit to ease the planting area.

Al

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lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 16, 2011
7:28 PM

Post #8811666

Everybody have a bright and happy Sunflower Day!

Al

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AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 16, 2011
9:05 PM

Post #8811760

Thanks Al - everything looks great! :)
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

September 16, 2011
9:12 PM

Post #8811766

Amanda ~ What kind of seeds would you like?

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 16, 2011
9:44 PM

Post #8811795

Great work al!!! Those tomatoes look great! I grew Italian gold this year and wasn't thrilled. They were ok, but not quite what I'd hoped for. Next year i plan to grow some Arkansas traveler and black krim.
I can't remember but i think i sent Corey a bunch of heavenly blue morning glory if anyone have is interested I'd send some!

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 17, 2011
2:02 AM

Post #8811895

Helloooo Evelyn: I hang out in the newbee areas too. :)

I guess if I had my druthers I'd be looking for native flowering perennials that attract pollinators/butterflies/birds.


Part sun, full sun, or shade.

That's a tall order! Can't believe it's the end of summer and I am thinking about seeds for next year. Somebody wake me when it's over.
lycodad
Hornell, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 17, 2011
6:41 AM

Post #8812015

Okay, I'm getting hits on this one. The lumpy looking tomatoes in the above pix are called "Costoluto Genovese", an Italian herloom seed imported direct from Italy by Pagano. They grew quite well right here in upstate NY, tasted pretty good, too. I have a few seeds left if you really want to try.

The lumpy looking guy in the photo is me, but the picture was taken by my wife.

Al

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 17, 2011
6:53 AM

Post #8812027

Awww al. I lol'd when i realized you meant you, and not the tomato, were a "lumpy lookin guy" i always call my plants, veggies, ect. "guys"
"look at this cute little guy"= I'm talking to either a pumpkin or maybe a hosta
"yowza, check out this monster guy!"= I'm talking to either a pumpkin, zucchini or maybe a turnip. :)
What?! Don't laugh at me for saying yowza here on dg. My garden is usually ripe with profanity. Lol
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 17, 2011
9:48 AM

Post #8812217

Those are GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR-eat pics Al !!!!!!!!!!!!! Love the one of Olivian and her corn. Looks really YUMMY! She seems to be really enjoying it!

The tomatoes look wonderful! Pasta Party at Al's! I'll bring the Italian Pasta Salad! Will have to get a couple tomatoes from Al for it.

You are so cute Al. You look just like your writings and pics. Very nice!

I have grown the Arkansas Traveler. They did well in my garden in SE Kansas. I like the yellow and pink, as they are lower in acid so I can eat more of them. If I eat too many (which I always do!) I get mouth sores from the acid, so the lighter color ones are great!

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 19, 2011
10:50 AM

Post #8814937

I'm amazed and thrilled to have actually gotten a few RIPE tomatoes here - the nights are already below 50 and sometimes colder.

Around 10 Stupice - 2-3" and nice flavor and scidity.
6 Sungold cherry tomatoes, very sweet and mild, which I found disapointing. Maybe I should have left them on the vine longer, but some were splitting.

I bought starts in quart pots while nights were still below 50, and caried them in and out of the house for a few weeks.

My first tomatoes ever!

Corey
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

September 19, 2011
11:11 AM

Post #8814963

i dont think there is anything better than the taste of your first tomatoes! (my first year also)
kc
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

September 19, 2011
4:50 PM

Post #8815427

My Sungolds have been producing for a couple of weeks now. Even though the weather is warmer here, we also got a very late start due to the cold wintery spring. I did, however, start them from seed. The Celebrity and Yellow Pear have also been setting fruit now. The Black Russian has fruit, but not yet ripe.

I also bought just a few starts as well, as I did not have nearly the variety I grew last year, but then, I grew too many. I bought Celebrity and Black Russian from starts. I started from seed, the Sungold, Yellow Pear, Cherokee Purple and a couple of dwarf tomatoes from the Global Dwarf Project at Tomatoville. That's about it. I hope to do better next year.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 19, 2011
4:57 PM

Post #8815443

Nice! I hope to have plastic tunnels and tents for next year.

I think that my main climate problem is that the cool spring nights last all summer!

BTW, I picked up three kinds of Lobelia from Hazzards, based on what grew best for me of your seeds.
If you wnat any, let me know!

Lobelia erinus "Crystal Palace"
Lobelia erinus "Cambridge Blue"
Lobelia erinus "Palace Blue"

Corey

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 19, 2011
5:56 PM

Post #8815526

Oooh!!!! I just saw some pictures on the "what's blooming in your garden" thread in the perennial forum. It even had a humming bird visiting it! So pretty. Don't know much about them but they sure are nice.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 19, 2011
7:21 PM

Post #8815648

Corey, I would love to try some of those if you can spare about 6 seeds of each. Can they be winter sowed ? I'm starting to think of what I want to ws this year.

I have hummingbirds. I have feeders up for them. They are so neat to have around. If I can find it I'll show you a pic from last year. I had swarms of them! Not so many this year. Heard the wildfires in TX had really harmed the butterfly and hummers poppulations. I didn't have near the b'flies I had last year. I have had more the last 2 weeks than I have had all summer. They must be migrating.

Well, drat it all...I can't find it. Anyway, I had 8 on one feeder! It was so cool.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 19, 2011
7:57 PM

Post #8815680

>> Corey, I would love to try some of those if you can spare about 6 seeds of each. Can they be winter sowed ? I'm starting to think of what I want to ws this year.

Lobelia? Dust-like seeds. They seem to like being jammed together and growing as a mass.
I'll send some of each ... I think I still owe you these also:

lavender breadseed poppies Papaver somniferum
Double Hollyhock "Peaches & Dreams"
"French Hollyhocks" "Malva sylvestris " and/or "Mallow",

Want any tomatoes? I have all these:
Omar's Lebanese .INDET . . . LATE . . . huge pink
Sun Gold F1 . . .INDET . . . early? . . . orange cherry
Sub Artic Plenty . . .DET . . . very early & cool . . . med-small red
Manitoba . . . DET . . . extra-early & cool . . . med red . . in containers
Stupice . . .INDET . . . ultra-early & cool . . . med-small red
Glacier . . . DET or semi-det . ultra-early . . 1-3 oz red-orange
Ildi . . . INDET . . . extra-early . . . yellow grape
Jaune Flamme. . .INDET . . . mid-season . . 2-3 oz orange
Old Flame. . . INDET . . . mid-season . . 24 oz? orange-yellow w' red streaks
Pruden's Purple. . .INDET . . . mid-season . . 16 oz purple-pink
Marglobe. . . semi-det . . . mid-season . . med red
Russian Black

Corey



The advice I've seen for Lobelia, , and it has worked for me:

sow on surface - needs light
germinates best 65-75º
sow inside 8-10 wks B4 avg last frost
sow 15-25 seeds per cell
emerge 15-20 days
transplant out in clumps, 6-12" apart.


or (I haven;t tried this):
DS AFTER avg. last frost
clumps of seeds 4" to 6" apart
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 20, 2011
4:31 AM

Post #8815881

Yes, I believe that is right on the seeds I requested. I would akso take any poppy seeds you may have. And maybe some French Marigold and Giant Marigold if you have them. Don't knock yourself out!

I would like a few of the Det. tomatoes. Sub Artic Plenty and Manitoba . Also in the INDET. class Jaune Flamme Omar's Lebanese.

When I am stuck in the house someday, I plan to go through my seeds and see what I have that I can send you. With the weird summer we have had, I don't know if I will be able to harvest very many seeds this year, but will do what I can for the cause!

Thanks Corey and thanks for all you do!

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 20, 2011
5:41 AM

Post #8815939

Outlaw:

Hummers love salvias and agastache/hyssop "hummingbird mint." I have even seen them on my pink "Enchantress" zinnias this year from Burpee.

I will have seed for all of the above in due time if you're interested in planting to attract them. Let me know. :)

A.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 20, 2011
5:34 PM

Post #8816793

I got some agastache plants from Fruity, and they proceeded to die one by one. Was getting them going in pots before I put them in the ground. Don't know what I did to them.

I always have hummers on my zinnia's.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 20, 2011
5:48 PM

Post #8816817

I have never actually seen one!!! Stupid question, but is this one of those things where "if you build it, they will come."? where am i attracting them from? What if it just attracts a mess of bees? Lol
mittsy gave me a humming bird feeder which i have to gig with some type of mesh so i wasps can't get in and spoil the nectar.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 20, 2011
6:12 PM

Post #8816850

I didn't know wasps spoiled the nectar, but I know they will chase away the hummers. I keep a can of Flying Insect Killer from Raid and spray them if I see them at the feeders. My hummers always empty my feeders, even if there have been wasps around. How do they spoil the nectar?

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 20, 2011
6:16 PM

Post #8816861

I was told if they climb in and die the hummers won't come? Idk? Lol i know nothing about them.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 20, 2011
6:41 PM

Post #8816915

Hmmmm, interesting. Mine never get 'in'. They just go to the ports to get the nectar.

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 20, 2011
7:57 PM

Post #8817037

Mmmmm. Well maybe I'll just give it a shot as is. :)

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 21, 2011
1:14 PM

Post #8817996

Hi Patti

I'm trying hard to find some way for me to identify and give out the "oneisie" pkts of perennials with names I know nothing about. Amanada is helping with that.

I added this to your list:
3 Lobelias
ANY poppy seeds
French Marigold and Giant Marigold if you have them.
I would like a few of the Det. tomatoes.
Sub Artic Plenty and Manitoba .
Also in the INDET. class Jaune Flamme Omar's Lebanese.

>> I don't know if I will be able to harvest very many seeds this year, but will do what I can for the cause!

It will be great to receive any seeds you have to spare, this year and/or next year.

Did you look at the huge list Jonna contributed recently? I have them all split up, now, in the third post in this thread.

Corey

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 22, 2011
7:23 AM

Post #8819140

U R doing great, Corey!!! :D

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 22, 2011
11:37 AM

Post #8819522

I just bought three "accordian-fold folders" with multiple pouches, for alphabetizing perennials. On sale at Staples for half-price. I'll take some pictures of the before-and-after.

(There are so many annuals that those foldiong pouches are too small, but annuals are already sorted and alphabetized and accessible. It helps that I often recoginze annual names!)

I'm also thinking, next time I fill a request for someone, of making up 5-10 baggies of the same thing, so the next time someone from that zone wants perennials, I can just pull one baggie, and be half-done. Add and subtract as needed, instead of looking for the same things over and over.

Thanks for everyone's patience!

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

September 22, 2011
1:10 PM

Post #8819593

You're killin' me. :D
mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 22, 2011
4:03 PM

Post #8819837

I was out checking on seeds in the garden and can offer hollyhocks, tall several colors and short double red. Any interest. My zinnias are at their peak and are outstanding. I hope I will have lots of seeds to share. I'd take a picture but it's pretty dark out right now, will have to wait and see if it doesn't rain tomorrow.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 22, 2011
7:08 PM

Post #8820031

All seeds are appreciated, and FRESH seeds are a Great Goodness. Thank you!

Our Hollyhock collection is big enough to need its own bag, but I'll look at the colors tonight. I SEEM to remember mostly pastel colors and "tall", so the short red would be most welcome.

But I remember being surprised how few Zinnia seeds we had. I'd really love some Zinnia seed!

Slugs ate almost all my zinnias this year, and I think the late start they got, due to our long cold spring, wasn't good for them either. This year, finding even 1-2 zinnia blooms is a challenge ... how can I have killed ZINNIAS?!?

The year before, I discovered that collecting Zinnia seeds myself was going to be race between slow-fading flowers and early fall rains. I was almost ready to put some of my very very mongrel F3 or F4 Zinnias into the stash, but I'm sure people would appreciate yours more.

(If I ever beat the slugs and the rain in the same year, I want to save a big pile of Benary Giant Zinnia seed: Scarlet, Deep Red, and Orange for the stash. ONE of these years!)

I got several terspoons of seeds from my one big Delphinium. If they seem to have good germination, they are going into the stash! 6' tall, big pale blue blooms with purple edges.

And some orange California Poppies threw out tons of pods, but they are slooooow to mature.

Which reminds me to ask: is there some trick to pursuading Snow Pea pods to mature? The leaves and vines have been yellow and dead-looking for weeks, almost months, but the pods are still defiantly green and the peas don't seem to want to dry up.

Corey
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

September 22, 2011
8:37 PM

Post #8820122

Are they still in the ground? If so, pull them up!
mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
6:57 AM

Post #8820415

We have had a lot of rain so In checking my zinnias (only open pollinated) here's what I found. This was a tall of the Elegans variety variety in a deep red. Notice the mold.

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
6:57 AM

Post #8820416

But the seeds look fine

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
6:59 AM

Post #8820419

These are all tall with large flowers

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
6:59 AM

Post #8820420

Tall solid orange

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:02 AM

Post #8820421

Tall solid yellow

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:02 AM

Post #8820422

Tall solid cream

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:03 AM

Post #8820423

Tall solid white

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:04 AM

Post #8820424

Tall striped orange, striking!

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:06 AM

Post #8820425

Tall solid pink. I also have Thumbelina dwarf zinnia seeds but they have a lot of chaff.

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skellogg
Sundance, WY
(Zone 3b)

September 23, 2011
7:11 AM

Post #8820429

So the zinnia seeds are found under the flowers, so to speak?
mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:15 AM

Post #8820432

I just found another bag of seed pods, Blue Star Willow, not quite ready, but soon.
mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:17 AM

Post #8820435

If you pull a petal out, the seed is attached to the petal, not all are viable look for the darker seeds.
skellogg
Sundance, WY
(Zone 3b)

September 23, 2011
7:19 AM

Post #8820439

Thanks Mittsy!
mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 23, 2011
7:23 AM

Post #8820445

Here's the difference. The ones on the left should be good , the right, probably not.

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skellogg
Sundance, WY
(Zone 3b)

September 23, 2011
9:30 AM

Post #8820577

Thanks! I'll go pick some flower heads and see what I've got now!
ordairygirl
Nyssa, OR
(Zone 6a)

September 24, 2011
5:54 AM

Post #8821710

I planted Benary's giant mix this year and thanks to my nice dry climate (12"/year) mold is never a concern. I'll save and send in seed this fall. I just read about collecting zinnia seed and just how "brown" the flower must be, so it will be another month. I've also got Purple Prince zinnia that I'll share. I grew all easy direct sow annuals this year that produce abundant amounts of seed...so a big box will be headed your way in November.

Tessa

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 24, 2011
6:02 AM

Post #8821718

This perfect pink giant was one of the seedlings mittsy gave me. I can vouch for these seeds. :) these zinnias were lovely

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Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 24, 2011
7:48 AM

Post #8821836

My zinnia's are doing great this year, as they always do. I have already harvested a bunch of heads that I am waiting to dry out good so I can pull the seeds. I have trouble getting the seeds very clean due to my hands, but I prefer to seed with chaff included as I get a better spread of the seeds. I would be more than happy to send in for the cause. They are mixed colors and don't have names for any, but they are beautiful! I will try to send a pic with the seed.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 26, 2011
12:00 PM

Post #8825028

I think a wide variety of Zinnia seeds would be GREAT. Thanks to everyone who saves some for The Stash!

It's nice to label with the range of colors to expect, and I can always label them "collected FROM red, pink and lavender".

I don't think a little chaff ever hurt anybody. The only way I found to get Zinnia seed really clean was to hand-pick the seeds out, but that's only practical if you only get a small number of mature seeds.

>> Are they still in the ground? If so, pull them up!

Was that about snow pea pods? I'm still hoping the peas will dry out and mature into viable seeds for next year. The pods still look so green and not-dry that I doubt the seeds are mature. On the other hand, the raihs have started, so I might as well pull them soon as let them rot on the vine. I hope that peas can be both green and mature, or I'll never have ANY mature peas!

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 26, 2011
5:15 PM

Post #8825595

What do you mean "pull them up"?!?!?! I have another month or so of growing time. We don't usually get a freeze until after Halloween. I let them keep blooming until it freezes. Then when they dry, I pull them all up after gathering seed heads.
FlaFlower
Miami Dade, FL
(Zone 11)

September 26, 2011
5:36 PM

Post #8825638

I would like to participate and also have seeds to donate.
Problem: I can't seem to find the address exchange list...I am a newbee...sorry

How do I find that to send them to Rickcorey_WA?
I have it all packed up, stamps, seeds and all but no address, can some one help me?

MUCH thanks :-))) Florida heat

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 26, 2011
6:04 PM

Post #8825693

The address exhchange is well hidden! Sorry I didn't reply last Friday, but my access to many sites suddenly went away.

http://davesgarden.com/address_exchange/

I'll send the rest via Dmail now that I'm back on.

But for everyone:
1. Want list, at least annuals or perennials, flowers or crops, or a mix. It helps to know your Zone,
2. your address
3. I'm still behind, but catching up.

Corey
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 26, 2011
6:16 PM

Post #8825717

Welcome, Welcome floridaheat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will love it here. So cool you have seeds to add to the stash. There are lots of different seeds available. Lots of nice people too. Glad u are here!

Patti
mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 27, 2011
3:24 AM

Post #8826132

Rick, Do you want the Blue Star Willow seeds?

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 28, 2011
1:31 PM

Post #8828155

Omg... So many baby Pam pumpkin seeds!!!! This is from 2 small pie pumpkins. I will be saving lots more so i can mail you lots of these too if anyone would like them.

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mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 28, 2011
1:43 PM

Post #8828167

I collected all the dwarf double red hollyhocks seed heads today while I was grazing on the bumper crop of red raspberries.
Crit
Sand Springs (Tulsa), OK
(Zone 7a)

September 29, 2011
4:23 AM

Post #8828834

Do you roast some of your pumpkin seeds? I love them that way. And they are really good for you!
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

September 29, 2011
8:43 AM

Post #8829129

roasted pumpkin seeds are wonderful !!!!!

OutlawHeart81

OutlawHeart81
Syracuse, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 29, 2011
5:59 PM

Post #8829820

Well... I like them but apparently as a kid, Hubby ate them to the point of illness involving vomiting all over the school bus... The very idea of roasting them makes him gag so i haven't made any yet. Lol :) maybe when he's at work. These are just for next years crop. And sharing if anyone else is interested. :D
mittsy
Cicero, NY
(Zone 5a)

September 30, 2011
2:07 AM

Post #8830135

This thread is getting kinda long for people with dial up. Anything over 200 is a problem. Can we have a new thread? Perhaps call it September/October Newbie seeds?

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

September 30, 2011
2:46 PM

Post #8830795

OK, my friends, we have a new thread:

Seed Trading:
Free Seeds for recent DG Subscribers (October 2011)
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1223246/
arejay59
Litchfield, ME
(Zone 5a)

January 10, 2013
2:40 AM

Post #9380702

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