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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

June 30, 2011
3:16 PM

Post #8664774

Hi Everyone, just starting the new thread... first time doing this so here's hoping I am doing it right.
We came from here http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1187000/
I am cheating and using Sue's wording, Post all your bromeliad pictures here, drop in for a chat, or ask questions, even if you think they are silly. We're all here to advise and admire all things bromeliad.
Ok welcome to July everyone
Tash

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

June 30, 2011
3:23 PM

Post #8664791

Just giving the link to "Bromeliad Buy Swap Sell Group Australia" it's a facebook group where you can also chat about broms but like the name suggests, you can buy swap and sell too. Just an added resource to this one. The group is slowly growing :)
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_135461926530292&ap=1
Tash

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

June 30, 2011
4:30 PM

Post #8664909

help pleaseeeee :)

ok this is the Neo I was oh so excited about a couple of weeks ago as it's the first one of mine to flower :) I know have two more in flower, so a total of three. But... when you look at the pic, it's gone yukky! Mould or fungus has moved in. Why has this happened? How do I fix it and how do I prevent it in future? I had made sure the water level was not high in it, so the flowers would not be under water, then we had a night of big rain and it was full to the brim! that was about 2 or 3 nights ago. I had to tip it all out so the flowers were visible again. I moved it undercover that day as the we were getting quite a few showers and still are. So it's not in the rain now. I was out most of yesterday and didn't get to look at it, then this morning I just went to look and this is what greeted me. Needless to say I grabbed my camera, took a photo and ran straight in here to ask for some much needed advice, please. I am thinking it's something to do with the rain and the moist air at the moment, but i need to fix it in a hurry. We don't have any good plant supply places up here, so I'm hoping there is a simple fix. Would washing it out help and not upset the flowers?? Any advice will be most welcome
Thanks heaps,
Tash

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

June 30, 2011
6:58 PM

Post #8665165

Hi everyone,

Tash - thanks for starting the new thread, if you all had been waiting for me to do it you would have had a very long wait as computers don't like me and my computer probably would have self destructed in the process.

Tash, as for your Neo, I've never had one go like that before so I really can't advise you. If it was my plant I would give it a good flush out with the hose and then empty it out and see what happens. If the mould starts to grow again I would fill the cup with a fungicide BUT MAKE SURE IT'S ONE THAT DOESN'T CONTAIN COPPER!

The best thing I think for you to do would be to register with "http://www.bromeliadforum.za.net/forum/index.php"
and post the exact infomation that you have here, (together with the pic) and I'm sure you'll be answered by someone with much more knowledge on these matters than I.

Sorry I can't be of more help

All the best, Nev.

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

June 30, 2011
7:21 PM

Post #8665208

thanks heaps Nev for your advice, I am about to head outside now and pot a couple of broms and my plan was to wash the above Neo out and hope it doesn't upset the flowers. No idea what's gone wrong with it... I got such a fright when I saw it this morning.
I just joined that forum about 3 days ago I think it was Nev, so i'll wander on over there and ask.
thanks heaps
Tash
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

June 30, 2011
8:36 PM

Post #8665372

Well done Tash, its a prefect start to a thread. I usually just copy the old stuff too.
Only problem, NO PICTURE! he he. I usually put in a good pic to trap people into looking. Is trap the right word?
Anyway, you know how I told you on facebook that I hadn't noticed mould in the flowers before? Well, just now, while out in the bromhouse, I came accross a Nidularium, flowering, with mouldy petals on the old flowers. Hmpff. Me thinks its the rain! I just picked the mouldy bit out, and as its till raining, it will flush the cup for me, but I'm not too worried about it, but then again, I'm not trying to pollinate either. Ooohhhhh, i am so sick of the rain. nearly allllll week!
I agree with Pam, about people trying to sell plants that won't survive. I like to see an albino sport, but it is a shame it cant be removed and potted on to produce more. That N. 'Bossa Nova' hasn't produced any other pups, so I'm a little bit concerned that its using alot of energy supporting that pup. I do have another Boss Nova in the garden though, so I'll leave it be. Aren't people funny Nev, when the answer is 'No'?
Sue
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

June 30, 2011
9:18 PM

Post #8665432

Hi everyone,

Because Tash forgot to post a pic with the start of the new thread, here's one to keep you all happy.

It's from a cross I did a few years back and is Neo. Painted Lady (sport) x Neo. Ferny Grove. No show winner but very popular just the same.

All the best, Nev.

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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

June 30, 2011
9:45 PM

Post #8665462

oh no Sue, I didn't think of the photo, is there a way I can fix that or delete this thread and start a new one with a photo?? oh no feel bad now, no photo... bugger!!!! I must of jinxed you Sue about the mould thing, lol, sorry my bad. It's all washed out now and we'll just see how it goes. I need to buy a fungicide when we are in Cairns on Sunday...any suggestions which one... i know it's not allowed to have copper, but i don't really want to stand there reading every label ;)
Tash
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

June 30, 2011
11:59 PM

Post #8665545

Hi Everyone

Tash - I see you had a good response from the Bromeliad and Air plant Forum members. In the latest response, Dooley recommends a systemic fungicide called "Fongarid" which he says is available at Bunnings in Cairns.

So how's that for a quick response?

All the best, Nev.

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 1, 2011
10:17 PM

Post #8667346

Hey Nev, yes that was a great response, we are going to cairns tomorrow so we are going to go to bunnings for a few bits and pieces and we're going to call in and see "Dooley" on the way home.
These forums and facebook groups are such a wealth of knowledge, I am really amazed at how freely people give their advice and tell of their experiences, it's great for someone like me who is so new and still has so many questions,
Thanks,
Tash

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 1, 2011
10:20 PM

Post #8667349

I have another question, i would like to get a few Tillandsia's but really no nothing about them at all. Any suggestions on where to start? everyone I see them somewhere I think they look quite scary, I worry i would kill them, but i'd love to know more and get a few. I have seen them in Bunnings, but thought getting a bit of advice first might be the way to go
Thanks,
Tash
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

July 2, 2011
12:42 AM

Post #8667389

Hi Tash, don't worry about the photo, we'll all survive, and when you start the next one you can put something really nice on!
Tiilandsias are not too hard to grow really, but most don't like cold and wet, but like hot and humid. They should do well up your way, as long as they have plenty of air circulation. On the bromeliad and airplant forum, Pedro and gonzer are the people to talk to, and maybe they could give you suggestions for a couple to start with? Pedro is in Australia, so might also be able to sell you a couple to start with, but there are many sellers on Ebay to choose from also. We're are having quite a wet winter here, and i can see the tell tale sign of damage on the Tills, with a bit of red creeping in on the leaves. Sigh! I have bought the ones from bunnings, and as long as they look good and grey (no brown or red tips) they are at least healthy to start with, you shouldn't have any trouble. The good thing about them, si they don't take up mich room, and you can start to grow vertical gardens when the horizontal space has run out.
Its very muddy here, although today was finally sunny. I have the van packed and will attempt the coffs harbour jetty car boot sale tomorrow. Its a bit of work and hard on the back, with all the packing and unpacking, but if I can sell a few and make some new friends, it makes it all worth while.
Here is my Alcantarea brasiliana, which I think is now called Alcantarea imperialis green? I like the red tips its gets.
Sue

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perke_patch

July 2, 2011
3:22 AM

Post #8667427

well done Tash on starting the new thread. After Sue gave us the chance to start one the other night I looked to see how to do it but couldn't find it. I know we were told by Sue how to do it once before but someone always beat me to do it so I've never had theopportunity. Now I can't remember how to do it.

Tash Dooley (or Aaron) is a wealth of knowledge and has had a very well known father in the brom world. I have swapped some very nice plants with him. You should get some very nice ones from him tomorrow. I'll look forward to the pics tomorrow night. Also we have bought a lot of tillandsias from Bunnings. they can be very small when you get them but do grow up to be very nice plants. this pic is one we got from bunnings called caput medusae. we glue them to round slabs of timber that I screw picture hooks into back of. non-toxic glue is fine like bathroom solastic (not sure of spelling sorry). but sometimes you glue just the outside leaf and when it lets go of plant the plant falls off and you are left with just a single leaf. Now I hedge my bets with a couple of holes drilled in and some plant tie used to support the glued plant.

We had a sale today. Last night we thought we had too many plants out the front as we had filled five tables as well as the normal sales shelves always kept full. We had also put some extra plants on the ground under the tables. We had to keep filling up the gaps all day and this afternoon we had empty gaps all over the place so will have to fill up spots tomorrow. We should have plenty of space for new plants now. If tomorrow is as busy as today we will have plenty of money to spend at Nambour next weekend LOL.

Wendy

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perke_patch

July 2, 2011
3:35 AM

Post #8667432

another one from bunnings although this actual clump is one we've had for years and lots of folia feeding made them all flower like this. Other years have been much lighter and more sporadic in flowering. The ones from bunnings are called cotton candy but they are very similar and we have quite a few that are now quite big and ready to flower.
They are now $5.99 to buy in bunnings but they used to be $4.99. we are now selling the same tillandsias all grown up for $10 or $12 mounted on timber. The ionanthas, stricta, cotton candy, bulbosa, caput medusae are all very popular.

Wendy

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 2, 2011
3:40 PM

Post #8668471

Wendy, those are fabulous! Well grown!!! Is that one Stricta? I did get a couple of the Cotton Candy from Bunnings. I had it once before, and it grew madly in a clump like yours, then one day after a massive flowering, the whole lot died. What do you use as fertilizer on them, and how often? I hope my newbies will grow quickly and clump up again.

Would you have a caput medusae you could put aside for me? I got a rather sorry looking one some time back, but I don't think its going to make it. The ones Bunning had are all sold out now, just a few left that I have enough of already.

I love this thread, seeing all the beautiful plants everyone has. Keep them coming...

Karen

Seachanger

Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia

July 2, 2011
11:09 PM

Post #8669046

I love this thread too...I don't grow them, but I enjoy the chat and the pics.
Well done on the sale, Wendy...have fun at Nambour.
Dianne.
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

July 3, 2011
2:13 AM

Post #8669095

Hi Wendy, congrats on having a good sale, I wish I could say the same. I'm convinced there are no bromeliad collectors in Coffs. Luckily I did take some other plants for variety, and sold a few to make space. I did sell a couple of Broms in the last half hour, as I was packing up, and one was a very good V. splendens, with a flower just beginning in the centre, for $10. I might as well be giving them away, even then, I think I'd have to pay people to take them. Strange. I'll persevere and keep going to the monthly market if the weather is good. Maybe I'll get some new enthusiasts interested.
I like the Till photos. I have Cotton candy too, so will be thrilled to have it grow and clump up. I've had it awhile, and it looks to have grown in size, and is healthy, but no sign of flowering or pupping yet. I have all of the ones you suggest are popular, so you must be right! My Tills are not liking this constant rain and cold, so am trying them under the eaves for protection. I did sell a couple of T. caput medusae and T. fuchsii forma gracilis, (which is a real cutie) today, so am glad someone out there like the tills.
Dianne and karen, I'm glad you're both enjoying the thread. Its nice to know you are looking in and can appreciate the beauty like we do. Now I need to find a suitable picture to impress you! he he
This is a farly widely grown one, Aechmea weilbachii, and is flowering now. If I had a hundred of these I reckon I could have sold them!
Sue

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perke_patch

July 3, 2011
5:13 AM

Post #8669205

Sue I agree that in flower you can sell heaps of weilbachii. We sold a couple of pots of them this weekend. However a few other pots with multiple plants but no flowers didn't sell even with a flowering one to show what it would look like. we also sold lots of billbergias in flower. Some we have had multiplying in clumps for years and never tried to sell any before but with them flowering just at the right time we couldn't resist putting them out.

Today was a pretty quiet day. It was a cold day with light showers so the gardeners must have all stayed indoors.
Karen, I have 2 very large caput medusae and 2 very new ones left. all others have been sold. I will hang on to them all for now so when you are ready I will have one for you. If I see any more at bunnings I will grab them and mount a few more to start growing.

Dianne I am glad to see some new watchers here. Hope you enjoy the pics enough to start collecting them too. Where is Clifton Springs though?

This is one of my favourite neos - piccolo. I liked it so much I bought 3 but now I have pups appearing everywhere. I managed to talk 2 out the gate but have lots of pups to take off now to replace them.
Wendy

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perke_patch

July 3, 2011
5:21 AM

Post #8669221

raphael is also a favourite and I bought 3 or 4 of those early on and now have them appearing everywhere. I will wait for them to start colouring before I try to sell them though. Unfortunately the only photo I have doesn't really do it justice.

Wendy

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 3, 2011
5:32 AM

Post #8669241

Wendy, that is great. A large one would be wonderful. As you will be away next weekend, I might leave it until your next sale at the end of the month. Just remind me the week before the sale.

Karen

A chicken with attitude among my tillandsias.

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 3, 2011
1:29 PM

Post #8670004

Well it's a sad state of affairs when you can't sell a brom in flower, and a V.splendens in bud for $10 only sold at the last minute? You may as well give up ladies. I'll do you a favour and come and take them off your hands, although I suspect I may have to beat Karen off to do so. lol

I wonder if the fact that it's tax time has anything to do with it?

Pam
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 3, 2011
11:20 PM

Post #8670897

Hi everyone

Sue, I see you have a question mark after "Alcantarea brasiliana green ?"

Send Ross a pic and he'll positively ID it for you as he's one of the Alcantarea experts in the state.

All the best, Nev.
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 4, 2011
12:25 AM

Post #8670923

Hi everyone,

To all you seed raising people, I have a quantity of seed from a Vriesea species, by the name of Vr. Neoglutinosa and it's looking for a home where someone will raise it and care for it.

Remember as well as growing hybrids, we should all be responsible growers and try to protect the species by growing and sharing a few around among our friends. Don't forget a lot of these species are now extinct in their native habitat and once they are lost from our collections they are gone forever! If you want some send me an answer here. To see some pic's, just Google "Vriesea neoglutinosa"

To those who asked for the Neo hybrid seed, it was sent today and now it’s all gone.

All the best, Nev.
perke_patch

July 4, 2011
12:50 AM

Post #8670932

Nev of course I will give your seed a home. I've never heard of that one before. I will have to look it up.

I sent your seed away today. Hope you get it soon.

Wendy
ctmorris
barmera
Australia

July 4, 2011
2:42 AM

Post #8670954

Can anyone please tell what this brom is? It's not mine. Colleen

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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 4, 2011
4:08 AM

Post #8670998

Hi everyone,
Wendy I love the photo of the piccolo, really striking. I googled the raphael too and it looks really nice too. yes Aaron was nice and has some really nice broms, lots of knowledge too and easy to talk to. We only got a couple of Aaron as we had already had a bit of a spending spree at the Bloomin Broms held by the cairns bromeliad society. We got a Neo Kautskyi, a Neo De Rolf (or is that Johannis De Rolf?) and a little Neo blushing tiger from Aaron. the De Rolf, can someone clarify the name there, Aaron just said it was a De rolf, but i have noticed everyone else calling it a Johannis De Rolf. Is that the full correct name?
From Bloomin Broms, we got a Neo Fools Gold, Friesea Sqiggles, Friesea Tiger Tim, Neo Carcharodon Tiger, and our first ever two little Tillandsias, an Ionantha and Tenuifolar. That was our huge weekend. Spent too much money but boy we got some nice broms, well we think so anyway.
Sue I can't believe how cheaply you sold that V splendens, i would of snapped that up in a heart beat, lol. People in coffs must not have good taste if they didn't go for your broms, he he he. I'm with Pam, I'll take them off your hands ;)
Oh and I found the first one for my wishlist, it was one at Aaron's house it's a Neo serendipity girl, very nice, I likey, lol. But he only had one, I have asked him if he can ask his dad about it, lol.
And I think some of the Neo seeds have germinated, little itty bits of green, yaaaa. I have pretty much worked out that hubby has an eye for nice foliage vrieseas, so I'd love to get some more seeds along those lines since he is building me a nice little shade house to raise them in. He is just as excited to check the seeds as I am each evening and even made me a little box to keep them in with two little grow lights we already had. It has helped to keep them at a constant temp and with loads of light, seems to be working anyway.
I'll attach a photo of what we got on the weekend. Sorry if i have missed anything someone has said,
Tash

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 4, 2011
5:10 PM

Post #8672443

Hi everyone,

Colleen - I think the Billbergia in your pic is the same as one I have (see Sue's post on June 18 01-38 previous thread)
I was told it is one of the many types of Billbergia Amoena. Usually the camera doesn't tell the true story of the scape colour which is more of a pale salmon rather than a pink.

It's a very good grower, pupper and flowerer and if grown in bright light, the leaves will change to a pale brown colour with pale cream spotting. I have quite a nice clump mounted in the old peppercorn tree and it's in full flower now. "An oldy but a goodie".

Below is a pic of the larger form of Billbergia species Sanderiana, It has a beautiful flower but unfortunately, like a lot of Bill's is reasonably short lived (about two weeks) and in the next post is a close-up of the flower.

All the best, Nev.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 4, 2011
5:12 PM

Post #8672449

This is the close-up of the flower

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ctmorris
barmera
Australia

July 4, 2011
6:48 PM

Post #8672592

Nev I do believe that the one on the other thread looks as though it might be the one. Thanks for that. Colleen

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 4, 2011
6:56 PM

Post #8672606

Hi everyone,
I have yet another question, I have been trying to google the names of some of my broms, now that I know what a lot of them are, to find out the best growing conditions for that particular brom, but it's not that easy. So my question is... Is there a website where you can look up a brom name and it gives you more details about it and how much light/shade it needs etc? I am just trying to work out if I have them in the right amounts of light/shade as I don't want them growing wrong because of where I have them. I can easily move them, just need to know what likes what, lol.
Thanks
Tash
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 5, 2011
12:17 AM

Post #8672972

Hi Tash,

There probably is a site somewhere that will give you that information, but I don't know where it is.
Maybe Sue or some other more computer literate person than I can help.

All the best, Nev.

Seachanger

Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia

July 5, 2011
12:18 AM

Post #8672973

Wendy, Clifton Springs is on the Bellarine Peninsula in Victoria...we can see the sea...
The Brugmansia thread got to me first and I only have a small garden...no room for anything else.
Though I can certainly appreciate the flowers on this thread...
Also I follow Colleen's and Jean's progress with their Broms...

dalfyre
Christchurch
New Zealand

July 5, 2011
1:39 AM

Post #8673015

Well my bil. nutans has flowered, they are pretty but really don't last long...
considering how small they were when I scavenged them I am really pleased with their growth rate.
one pot is filling up nicely, the other was a smaller pup & slower to multiply.

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 5, 2011
1:15 PM

Post #8674123

Tash, I've never come accross such a site. You can usually find that sort of info via Google, but it can tend to take a while.
brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

July 5, 2011
4:16 PM

Post #8674483

Tash, as a general rule Guzmanias, Nidulariums, Vrieseas and broms with soft leaves prefer filtered light whereas those with tougher, prickly leaves like Neos and Aechmeas prefer more light and will often take some direct morning sun but it's really a lot of trial and error as there are so many exceptions and your sun would be pretty strong so far north. Even plants that are fairly sun tolerant like Alcantareas need to be put out in Winter to give them time to acclimatize. Jen

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 5, 2011
5:38 PM

Post #8674651

hi everyone,
thanks Pam, Jen and Nev, I'll have to keep googling, lol, and thanks for your information too Jen, that helps, I have my vrieseas in the right spot for sure then, but some of the neo's need to move into more light and a bit of morning sun as they are in the shade and might go all strange looking.
Tash
brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

July 5, 2011
11:29 PM

Post #8675251

Tash, Neos will grow alright in the shade but they'll lose their colours and just be green with long, thin leaves. Jen
ctmorris
barmera
Australia

July 5, 2011
11:36 PM

Post #8675254

Hey everyone. Have you seen the broms on E-Bay? A white fasciata. nice but nice price too. Has anyone got one? Colleen
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

July 6, 2011
12:54 AM

Post #8675277

Hi all, Nev, I like that Bill. sanderiana, it has quite prominent spines doesn't it.
Alas, Theresa, all the Billbergias have a short flowering period, thats what makes the green foliage ones hard to sell, you only get one shot unless you have a big pot at different flowering stages. Still, the B. nutans make a great specimen on the table if left to form a big clump. Much nicer than cut flowers.
I second what jen says about the positions for your Broms Tash. I don't know of any website with that info, but the Andrew Steens books are a good place to start, and you might be able to get them from the library. I beleive there is a new edition out with some new pics too, so I'm on the lookout for that.
Colleen, that brom is Aechmea 'Clara' and always fetches a nice price on Ebay, so you might find it hard to get anyone to part with one for cheap! I haven't got one unfortunately, but one day I will.
Dianne, there'd be room in your garden for broms, theres always room for one more plant?
Pam, give me you address and I'll send my plants up there to live with you...NOT! he he. Got you excited though eh?
Better go dish up the dinner.
This is a pic of Leisas Guzmania 'White Grapeade' its got two blooms on it. Just lovely and reminds me of her.
Sue

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ctmorris
barmera
Australia

July 6, 2011
2:41 AM

Post #8675306

Hi Sue, I wasn't looking for one at that price, [I'm not that dedicated, yet] I was just curious if anyone had one. Leisa's brom, generous and beautiful. Colleen
gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 6, 2011
2:46 PM

Post #8676640

Got my hopes up there for ... that long, Sue. Drat!
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 6, 2011
5:42 PM

Post #8676943

Hi everyone,

Sue - I don't know why, but that pic you posted of White Grapeade reminded me of a Laelia Cattleya I once flowered from a batch of seedings I purchased. It was called Lc. Sofala and was from a cross made by Mrs Jean Cannons of Port Macquarie back in the 1960's.

However when I dug out the old pic, it doesn't look much like it at all; I guess the old brain's playing tricks on me.

All the best, Nev.

Lc. Sofala (I know it's not a brom, but it's still nice)

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perke_patch

July 7, 2011
3:16 AM

Post #8677609

Hi everyone. I feel like tonight. 3 weeks feeling sick and today I felt worse than any other day in that 3 week period. I just had to post a pic of my new tillandsia wall fully stocked. I didn't want to overcrowd it so the old wall is still fairly full of stuff for sale.

I'm off to bed now before the head explodes. I'm doped up already.

Wendy

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 7, 2011
2:35 PM

Post #8678758

Poor Wendy - I hope you're feeling better soon.
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 7, 2011
2:44 PM

Post #8678778

Wendy, the wall looks great. I hope you feel better soon too. That flu that's going around seems to go on and on. But you should start improving quickly now. Take care.

Karen
77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 7, 2011
2:59 PM

Post #8678797

Sue, you may remember that quite a while ago ( January. I think) , I asked about my A. leud. 'Mend'. It had turned very red and you said it was dying. I did pull out the bright red centre leaves very easily , but since then it has been just sitting with a nice pink tint to the leaves and no further change except it decided to put out 2 pups. This is a pic from yesterday.
With the replacements you kindly sent. I now have 4 pups and the still good looking parent. Shows the broms must like their new home in the old greenhouse.
Jean

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 7, 2011
3:02 PM

Post #8678803

Some of the other broms in their greenhouse. They have grown so much , there will have to be a moving around day soon.

My bil. Halleujahs are all getting their nice chocolate color back too, after going rather pale and greenish in the old shadehouse.
Much more light for them now.

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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 7, 2011
3:51 PM

Post #8678892

Hi Everyone, how are you all on this Friday morning?
Sue, that pic of Leisas Guzmania 'White Grapeade' is very pretty. I don't own any Guzmania's yet, but the neighbour over the road has a few that are flowering at the moment, they really stand out and I gather the flowers last for a while, I'll have to add a few to our collections in the future.
She's a stirrer isn't she Pam, lol. Gee that Aechmea 'Clara' on ebay was up there in the price wasn't it, I should of watched it to see what it ended up going for, tried to find it to show hubby later but it was gone, must of ended.
Is that an orchid flower Nev? It's very nice, that is something else we are debating collecting a few more of, we have two orchids, one that is nothing special, chunks of it on all the palms in the yard, and the other is on a little piece of palm log so we can take it with us when we leave here and it's a cooktown orchid with purple flowers. We love orchids, so does my dad, they are just so expensive to buy up here, probably everywhere i guess.
Wendy your Tillandsia wall looks fantastic, wow are all of those Tillandsias?

Well I have made my very first batch of Rob Smythe's Canola White Oil mixture yesterday, not too sure what I am doing, I expected to have to drain more water off the mix than what settled out yesterday, so i'm not sure if I have done it right or not. I expected to only end up with about a litre of white oil, but instead I still have maybe 4/5 of a milk bottle. I only drained maybe 200 ml off. does that sound right? I let it sit for close to 3 hours I think it was, and drained about 1 1/2 inches out of the little hole I made in the bottom. I then put it into a new bottle and this morning another 1 1/2 inches of more cloudy looking water has separated in the bottom. My question is, do I just shake this to re-combine it before using it, or should this also be drained off?

Oh Nev, thanks so much for the seeds, I have them now. Thanks heaps. I will start them over the weekend. Most of my Neo seeds that everyone have so kindly given me seem to be sprouting, yaaaaaa, can't say the same for Vriesea or Alcantarea seeds :( I think I might be no good at them... I must of done something wrong. I still have my fingers and toes crossed that they will sprout and I know they take longer, but they just don't look right to me.

Ok well I hope you are all having a fantastic Friday, Wendy I hope you feel better soon, terrible being sick so long, move up here where it's warmer ;)

oh here is a pic of the orchid that we were told is a cooktown orchid, unless they told us the wrong thing? It's pretty anyway :)
Tash

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 7, 2011
5:27 PM

Post #8679124

Hi everyone,

Jean – It’s pretty common for a brom that’s had a “near death experience” such as yours with the rotted centre, to put up a pup and sometimes multiple pups in one last effort to save itself from possible extinction; Isn’t Mother Nature wonderful? This is why when you have a nice plant you want to multiply, some growers will often ram a screwdriver down through the middle and destroy the growing tip of the plant (where the flower comes from). If done properly it will induce more pups; if done incorrectly you’ll run the risk of killing the plant. Always best to make sure you have a spare first.

Tash – C’mon you should remember the name of that orchid from when you were a kid at school, it’s the floral emblem of Queensland. Even us kids down south of the border learned that.

Regarding the Guzmanias; very easy to grow, they like it a bit shadier that the Neo’s, they love extra fertilizer and last about three months inside the house when in flower. They are however a bit cold sensitive, but I don’t imagine that will worry you with your climate.

Sorry to hear you’re not well Wendy, so I’ll post a pic of a nice brom to make you feel a bit better.

All the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 7, 2011
6:17 PM

Post #8679212

Thanks for that Nev. I did wonder about how well the mother plant is still looking.
I think the pups need to grow quite a bit yet before I remove them . .

I dont think I really want to try the screwdriver method on any of my broms. . I'd probably kill the poor plants completely before they produced pups.

I do have an old mother carolinae ? tricolor down the back that I tossed ages ago because it died. It is still leaning in the pot and has put out a pup.
Resilient things arent they ?
Jean
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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 8, 2011
1:10 AM

Post #8679672

Tash yep thats a cooktown orchid..real name Dendrobium.

Seachanger

Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia

July 8, 2011
2:19 AM

Post #8679687

Jean, your Broms are looking great...I love the ones on the pole, that has come on very well...
They seem to have grown quickly...
Dianne

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 8, 2011
2:48 AM

Post #8679699

Hi everyone,
Nev, I can't say I learned that at school, no idea what happened there, perhaps is was taught in primary school? I was not in the Australian education system in primary, I was home schooled in PNG, lol, so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it, ha ha ha ha.
Nice brom Nev, what is that one?
thanks Breeindy for the positive Id and the real name, I have saved the photo as that name now so I won't forget, thanks heaps. I think I might try to collect a couple more orchids, they are such beautiful plants and so close to the broms in a way. More to learn.
Well I hope everyone has a great weekend
Tash.

PS, just checking if anyone has a Neo Serendipity Girl in their collection?
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 8, 2011
5:39 PM

Post #8681080

Hi everyone,

Tash - Don't give me that excuse about school; tell the truth, you probably wagged it the day that was taught!

That nice Neo is an unnammed seedling grown by a friend in Thailand and I don't even remember the names of the parents.

Fortunately I have a pup of Neo. Senendipity Girl which I treasure as I got it from a very good friend, and If anyone has the chance of obtaining one I suggest you do as it's a beautiful brom.

It's a hybrid from Rob Smythe in Townsville (The man who gave us the recipe for the Canola oil spray) and although Dave's Garden will credit me with the copyright, it isn't my pic, it's taken from one of Rob Smythe's, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind me using it.

All the best, Nev.

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springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 8, 2011
8:42 PM

Post #8681356

hi everyone,
how is your weekend going?
Nev... you are probably right, I might of been 'sick' that day, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Love the pic of the Serendipity Girl, I have managed to get my grubby little fingers on one... he he he... can't wait to get it in the mail in the next week or two. Not cheap I must say, but we both really wanted it, so well worth it. The one we saw at Aaron's house (Rob Smythe's son) was just magnificent, big, beautiful, great colours. Apparently it's a bit of a slow grower, but one day hopefully it will look as nice as Aaron's one.
Nev do you have a photo of your pup now? How old is your one? I am keen to get mine, it's our first wedding anniversary tomorrow, so our gift to each other is the Serendipity Girl, he he he, worked that out nicely didn't I? ;)

Ok better scoot, talk soon,
Tash
perke_patch

July 9, 2011
5:30 AM

Post #8681623

Hi everyone. Sitting up in bed with the laptop on my lap. still feeling crappy but doped up nicely LOL. Actually worked up the energy to go out for tea for my birthday but came home and collapsed into the bath for a soak and into bed early again even though I had about 2 1/2 hours sleep this afternoon after little ones went home. Nice birthday for me wasn't it? sick but apparently not too sick to babysit so Chris and Jess could go away for the night. Hope I didn't give any germs to baby Rylee when sitting up with her at 5:30 this morning feeding her and watching TV. So glad Hayden (8) also stayed the night cause he got up about 6:30 and layed with Rylee on the floor in front of the TV and amused her while I dozed in the chair. So glad when she was ready to go back down to sleep again but by then Emily (3) was up and wanting breakfast. Didn't stop then till they went home at 1pm. I then went into Cleveland to the chemist for more drugs, came home and took some and had a well earned few hours sleep.
Johnny potted up about 60 pups today so I'll have to get up the energy tomorrow to see what he got pups off. I know there were a few first pups ready to come off new neos so will have to find them and put them in the special area for new ones. All the piccolo's are potted up and will be growing roots till your next parcel to be sent Nev. Love that pic of unamed neo you posted Nev. I was going to say put that on the list of next swap but alas you don't have it. Wouldn't it be lovely to be able to stand in front of something like that and be able to say "I made that one" Ahhh it's nice to dream. Johnny has been potting up, topping up and caring for our concentrica hybrid seedlings. They are getting so big and some have some good shape and colour happening. I will have to pick out a few beauties and take photos to show you all.
Ahhh I think I am ready to doze off again now so will log off shortly.

Nice to catch up again.
Wendy

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 12, 2011
3:04 PM

Post #8688733

Hello everyone, I was waiting for someone else to post, he he he, but I'll do one :)
Wendy I hope you are starting to feel a whole lot better, you have been crook for a while now, no good at all.
wow 60 pups, how cool is that, I only get a few here and there :)
Well things are going well here, we have our little green house done, it's only a baby size one, lol, about 2.5m square, we actually used glavansied fence panels as the frame, because we don't own this property so anything we do needs to be movable for the day when we leave here, so couldn't go cementing posts in etc. We are hoping to get a couple more panels and extend it a bit longer, width will have to stay the same, but can add to the lenght if we find some more panels cheaply.
Not much in there yet though, lol, but that will change.
Nearly all of the seeds everyone gave me have sprouted, I am so thrilled. I think nearly all the Neo's have, a fair few of the Alcantarea seeds, just waiting on the Vriesea's to pop up and say hello, lol.
Hubby made me a little light box, just a plastic storage box with two little fish tank grow lights screwed to the top and that seems to have helped. I left two trays outside in the plastic house as a comparison (well they wouldn't fit in the box to tell the truth) and you really can see the difference. Only a couple have sprouted in the outside trays, and only in one tray, the other tray looks had-it. Our little light box has kept them at a nice temp, day and night and given them loads of light to germinate. Not something I think would be necessary up here in summer, but for this time of year it seems to have really helped.
I have started moving the well sprouted trays back outside into the plastic house (door stays open on it and it's not in direct sun either).
some seems to be growing better than others, as they were all started on the same date.
So how is everyone else going? I started your seeds yesterday Nev, that's why i had to kick some trays out of the light box, lol, to make room for more to go in, he he he he. A few people have told me that they find them easy to sprout, but then they seem to die, i hope mine don't do that. I can't wait to see them all getting bigger.
My Serendipity Girl is in the mail, I can't wait for her to arrive and a few other goodies are coming from another friend too, I can't wait to be able to return the favors to all the generous people who are still helping me find my way in this wonderful world of broms.

Oh I have an orchid question... not sure if anyone can help... do they develop seeds? i think mine might have a seed pod thing developing, it's where a flower used to be.

Ok well I hope you are all having a good week...
Tash
gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 12, 2011
6:29 PM

Post #8689125

What sort of orchid is it Tash? They do develop seeds, but germinating and growing them on can be a fairly slow and involved process.

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 12, 2011
6:51 PM

Post #8689185

oh ok, thanks Pam, just thought I'd ask, lol, I like growing things from seeds, but if it's too involved I think I'll stick to brom seeds, lol. It's a Dendrobium Orchid, (Cooktown Orchid) just never seen these little pod things it's developing, so guessed they must be seed pods. I would like to get a few other orchids, the ones that have great big beautiful flowers, so I might have to save my pennies up and buy one or two from the markets from time to time... :)
perke_patch

July 13, 2011
12:49 AM

Post #8689513

Hi Tash

I am feeling a bit better each day now. Today I didn't take any drugs and I am still doing ok LOL. I did feel much better this morning so went shopping for my mother in law. The energy did quickly ebb though and I was so glad to get home again. Now that it is getting cool again wth night settling in I am getting snuffly and coughing again so still recovering. I am hoping to drop a dress size after this because I still have no appetite and not eating much hahahaha)

I am sure you will fill your new shadehouse quicky the way you are going Tash. What sort of shelves are you going to use or will they just be on the ground? If you get some besser bricks you can always just put a panel of mesh on top of them. Broms like to have that air circulation under them and the mesh is great for that. Another option is the white foam boxes underneath with mesh on top.

I look forward to the photos of the new area.

wendy

breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 13, 2011
3:03 PM

Post #8690589

Tash orchid seeds have to be raised in sterile flasks with this stuff called Algar, mostly done in Lab.'s. They take a long time and once they grow up you de-flask them and plant in little pots. Orchids can take years and years to reach flowering size. Im to impatient so i don't bother. I just buy advanced/flowering size orchids. Heres a flask of Vandas...

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springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 13, 2011
6:06 PM

Post #8690884

wow that is so cool, but so over my head, hmmmmm, lol. I have never seen that before, if i had a really nice or rare orchid I would be trying to work it out, but since it's just a common one, I think i'll just leave it to those who know what they are doing and concentrate on getting brom seeds to grow, lol. I will slowly get a few more orchids, but just here and there from the markets I guess as i can afford it. Orchids are such beautiful plants, and generally don't take up too much space, mind the neighbour has some huge ones!!! Too big for me.
Here is a pic of some of my itty bitty seedlings poping up, so exciting. Wendy these are some of yours :) Thank you so much.
Thanks to everyone who kindly gave me seeds, I am so grateful to you all :)

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 13, 2011
10:52 PM

Post #8691291

Hi everyone,

Congratulations Tash, your babies are on the way and there's no turning back now.

Take some advice from an old bloke who's been there and done it; don't try growing orchids from seed. It costs a fortune to set up a proper lab and then there's all the flasks to prepare and the hygiene has to be perfect every step of the way or the flasks become contaminated and the mould starts. A clean air machine helps to avoid a lot of this but they cost a fortune and then there's the temperature and light control, more capital outlay and the bloody seeds haven't even germinated yet!

A doctor friend who came one day to watch us sow orchid seed was amazed, and said that the conditions we sowed seeds under were far more hygenic than what he operated under.

I won't go any further, I think you get the message by now. If you are really keen to try; buy a flask with the seedlings already growing in it (see breeindy's pic above) and try from there (the easy bit).

Much better to stick to growing brom seed, far simpler, far less hassles and quicker results.

All the best, Nev.

See below another nice unusual Thai Neo hybrid, not my pic. but taken by my friend who bred and grew it. Unfortunately I don't know the name but I seem to remember it has Neo Hannibal Lector as one of the parents

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Marleneann
Sunshine Coast
Australia

July 13, 2011
11:19 PM

Post #8691301

A little cute one. Sorry do not know the name.

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Marleneann
Sunshine Coast
Australia

July 13, 2011
11:21 PM

Post #8691302

springer99 wrote:Hi everyone,
Wendy I love the photo of the piccolo, really striking. I googled the raphael too and it looks really nice too. yes Aaron was nice and has some really nice broms, lots of knowledge too and easy to talk to. We only got a couple of Aaron as we had already had a bit of a spending spree at the Bloomin Broms held by the cairns bromeliad society. We got a Neo Kautskyi, a Neo De Rolf (or is that Johannis De Rolf?) and a little Neo blushing tiger from Aaron. the De Rolf, can someone clarify the name there, Aaron just said it was a De rolf, but i have noticed everyone else calling it a Johannis De Rolf. Is that the full correct name?
From Bloomin Broms, we got a Neo Fools Gold, Friesea Sqiggles, Friesea Tiger Tim, Neo Carcharodon Tiger, and our first ever two little Tillandsias, an Ionantha and Tenuifolar. That was our huge weekend. Spent too much money but boy we got some nice broms, well we think so anyway.
Sue I can't believe how cheaply you sold that V splendens, i would of snapped that up in a heart beat, lol. People in coffs must not have good taste if they didn't go for your broms, he he he. I'm with Pam, I'll take them off your hands ;)
Oh and I found the first one for my wishlist, it was one at Aaron's house it's a Neo serendipity girl, very nice, I likey, lol. But he only had one, I have asked him if he can ask his dad about it, lol.
And I think some of the Neo seeds have germinated, little itty bits of green, yaaaa. I have pretty much worked out that hubby has an eye for nice foliage vrieseas, so I'd love to get some more seeds along those lines since he is building me a nice little shade house to raise them in. He is just as excited to check the seeds as I am each evening and even made me a little box to keep them in with two little grow lights we already had. It has helped to keep them at a constant temp and with loads of light, seems to be working anyway.
I'll attach a photo of what we got on the weekend. Sorry if i have missed anything someone has said,


Tash that is a nice lot of Broms.
Marleneann





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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 14, 2011
1:52 AM

Post #8691339

he he he, thanks Nev, think I'll pass on the orchid seeds, lol. Can you buy them in the flask already? that would be pretty cool, are they expensive like that? still I might stick to ready grown ones, or bits I get given, lol, all sounds a bit complicated. :) thanks for explaining it to me.
So I just leave them brom seeds go for now, I don't need to do anything special to them yet? Just leave them in there with their lids on and make sure they don't go mouldy or dry out...right? I'll re read you little book Nev to make sure I'm on track. The ones that I took the photo of, are from Wendy and they are a lot further advanced then any of the other trays, must just be the different types.
That's a nice brom Nev, yes Hannibal Lector is not one I have as yet, keep seeing it just lately, someone locally had one listed for $15 I think it was. Not sure if that was a pup or not.
I like your little one too Marleneann, the cup helps with the size, nice flower too. Yeah it wasn't a bad haul, lol, this little hobby is expensive and very addictive, lol. But I would prefer to see some money spent on broms than on booze or smokes, so can't complain too loudy ;)
Talk soon,
Tash
perke_patch

July 14, 2011
5:20 AM

Post #8691454

Pam I think your little NOID brom is aechmea seideliana.

I agree Tash that broms are much cheaper than cigarettes and at the end you have something to last and that will make you some money in the future. Cigarettes on the other hand are gone in a puff of smoke with nothing to show except maybe a cough and an awful stink LOL.

Your seedlings are coming along well Tash. I will hazard a guess that the seeds are from Narelle? The reason I pick that one is that that same plant is still spitting out seed pods under the tree. Every one I pull out is full of seed. I have never seed a plant before or since that is so fertile and for so long. Nev is this normal for some neos???? It must be 3 or 4 months now that we have been pulling seed out of this neo and it shows no sign of the centre becoming old and slimey. Other ones that Jen and I were pulling seed out of like red earth have already had the centre plucked out to make the plant last longer. But narelle still looks good and is still pulling full seed pods out. It is also a wonderful plant as you can see and can be grown in full sun. Hopefully her seedlings will also be sun hardy and just a colourful as mum. We have one pup at the moment that is growing in an 8inch pot and is the biggest one we have ever grown. I will get a picture tomorrow to show you the size of it.

Wendy

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 14, 2011
12:23 PM

Post #8692173

perke_patch wrote:Pam I think your little NOID brom is aechmea seideliana.



... or Marlene, maybe?

splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 14, 2011
11:55 PM

Post #8693354

Hi everyone,

Marleneann - I think your little Aechmea is 'Peek-A-Boo’; I have it flowering at present down here. There's a pic on the FCBS but it doesn't look much like it at all. I think it's an old picture taken pre-digital camera days and it seems to have a yellow cast through the pic. Like a lot of the older pic's on the photo index. The correct name of your plant is Neoregelia 'DeRolf' and it is a cultivated variety (c.v.) of Neoregelia johannis. Look at the FCBS Neoregelia Photo Index of cultivars and look up 'DeRolf' and see if the pictures match your plant. Two of the others you mention as “Frieseas” are "Vrieseas". Vriesea 'Squiggles' is a hybrid from Vr. 'Red Chestnut' x Vr. Platynema variegata. Vriesea 'Tiger Tim' is a cultivated variety from Vriesea Ospinae variety gruberi.

Tash - Re. your brom seeds, I leave the lid on mine until I'm ready to thin them out into extra containers. This doesn't happen until they have about five leaves. However you have different conditions to me so the main thing you need to watch is that they don't dry out. As a guide, if there's no condensation hanging from the lid inside, they're too dry. If the Hannibal Lector you describe was an un-rooted pup, I think $15 is a bit much. I usually do them for about $10.

Wendy - If your Neo. Narelle is full of seed capsules and you didn't pollinate them all yourself, it has probably self pollinated, and because the flowers all open at different times, likewise the seed capsules will ripen at different times and consequently over a longer period. If it has self pollinated, It's unlikely many of the seedlings will resemble the mother plant and they can resemble any of the plants in the family tree of Narelle or something completely different. That's what's so exciting about growing hybrid seeds. Let's hope it passes on its sun hardiness to its progeny.

All the best, Nev.

perke_patch

July 15, 2011
4:10 AM

Post #8693463

sorry did I pick the wrong one with Seideliana? must have been tired late last night huh?

Still trying to fight off this flu. with the cold weather today the cough is back. I had to come upstairs today and sit down for a nap in the chair. it was too cold to stand down in the carport potting with the wind blowing straight through. Of course Johnny worked in the yard till dark and now he is coughing and coughing etc so I hope he is not getting what I had. Not looking good though. I kept going down and telling him to come upstairs but you can't tell men to do anything can you????

splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 15, 2011
2:24 PM

Post #8694381

Hi everyone,

Now, now Wendy, just because you're a bit crook, no need to criticise us blokes. I've found out over the years the best way to satisfy you women is to just nod and say yes in the appropriate places. If we agree and don't argue it stops you picking on us. Good tactics eh?

Just to make your day a bit brighter, here's a pic of a favourite of mine, Neoregelia Carolinae x Painted Lady #1

All the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 15, 2011
6:27 PM

Post #8694826

I know this is a difficult thing, but I bought this pot of broms yesterday from a small bric a brac shop, and wondered if anyone had an idea of what they may be.
The pot has been out in a yard near the ocean , probably for most of its life. .
There are two plants in the pot. A mum and grown offspring by the look of them. They look to be a bit sunburned . I see lovely stripes so they could be very pretty with a bit of TLC.
Jean

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 15, 2011
6:33 PM

Post #8694846

My bill, "Gerda" putting out a flower.
I find her very hardy here. She lives in the shadehouse and getting full of rain doesnt seem to bother at all.
The original parents are still living out along the back fence in all weather.
Jean

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 15, 2011
10:23 PM

Post #8695224

Just been out in the brom greenhouse and I found a plant that looks very much the same as my new one I was looking for a name for . bill.. Fosters Striate.
I think once the new one has had time to recover from its outdoor living experience and regains a bit more green, it will turn out to be the same. Of course, I have to wait for flowers to be sure.

While I was out there I counted them all. I didnt realise there were 100.
Does this count as a collection ?? lol

I have one marked as neostropsis BFire on the label. Just read what Mr Butcher says about . Interesting parentage.
I also found one I dont remember getting, marked as bill. Pequito Blanco. cant wait to see the flower.

Jean.

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perke_patch

July 16, 2011
12:32 AM

Post #8695258

Wow Jean. You do have a collection now and sounds like you have some interesting plants. I don't think we have any of the ones you mentioned.

Nev, I think you must be an exception to the rule. A male who nods and says yes in the appropriate places when told by his woman. Johnny is the opposite. The more I tell him what to do the more determined he is not to do it. I'm sure this is the way he works. He's getting worse with old age I think. Even Emily has been knows to say "Pa is cranky today" or "Must put my bike away or Pa will get cranky and put it in the bin". At least she knows to put it away now before she leaves. He thinks it is funny to see them pull up and he runs down to put her bike in the bin with the back wheel sticking out. The look on her face is priceless when she notices. She learned though.

We've decided that we are not buying any more plants with lots of white on them. They seem to be pigs which simply bruise on the white parts and look awfull. We have an aech ensign with so much white we are scared to remove it from the mother. We've just cut the mother away to see what happens to the pup. We also have a neo with so much white but we can't get a decent pup from it. I'm having a senior moment and can't think of the name of it just now but they all just seem to get brown spots on all the white bits and look awful. Anyway that's my experience with white plants.

Wendy

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perke_patch

July 16, 2011
1:05 AM

Post #8695269

that neo with all the white in inferno I think. We have 2 pups now and all three plants have so many brown spots on the white we are tempted to just bin the lot.

I just wanted to share this pic of my tillandsia balls. The group on the left are all hayley's comet with the bottom one being the oldest and thickest. I have made them all hang at different lengths for effect. The group on the right are funkiana and karwinskiana on the far right. The funkiana is all multiplying with all now having 2 or 3 heads on each. Soon you won't be able to see the balls through the tillandsias.

Wendy

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perke_patch

July 16, 2011
1:09 AM

Post #8695272

and this is one of our painted delight seedlings. I love the deep dark colour of the base of the plant. Inside has the same dark colour in the throat. Still no sign of flowering though. Wonder what will happen to the colour when that happens.

Wendy

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 16, 2011
1:39 PM

Post #8696159

Hi everyone,

It’s nice to see some cloud cover and a drop of rain down here which has raised the recent low temperatures. Everything looks so fresh after a drop of rain and it give me more enthusiasm to get out in the garden and do some of the work I’ve been putting off.

Jean - It’s hard to say for sure what your plant is by just looking at a picture until it flowers, but it certainly has the look of a Bill. Foster’s Striate but you say it’s been out in the yard and you suspect its sunburned. The one I have is out in the middle of the garden and grown in bright light it is more creamy/yellow than the very pale cream your plant shows. I have another which is in lower light and is much paler in colour and I also have an unnamed Neo of similar colouring as well. I don’t remember my plants having the spines on the leaves to the same extent as yours and as it’s 6.30am and raining, I’m not going out to check, but I will later. In any case, it looks like it could be grown into a nice plant with a bit of care.

I don’t know Bill. ‘Gerda’, but you make an interesting point when you say “getting full of rain doesn’t seem to bother it at all”. Neither it should; and I can never see why people get their knickers in a knot when Bill’s get water in them, what happens in the wild to the Bill. Species? Is there someone running around emptying them out? I think not. When they get too full, they just drop over and empty themselves. Besides, a good flush out does them good. I have never emptied out a Bill. yet and I have about fifty or so and have never lost one due to rot which seems to be the main concern by these “Bill emptiers”.

Jean, I would say that 100 Bill’s certainly does qualify as a collection, and it’s good to see someone growing a collection of these beautiful plants. Many people are turned off by the short life of the flowers, but many of the newer hybrids have much more to offer in the way of foliage colour and the flower then becomes the secondary attraction. The other Bill. you mention is Bill Poquito Blanco and is a beautiful plant and well worth growing, (you certainly have good taste). There is a picture of it on the FCBS Photo Index (Look under Billbergia hybrids) http://fcbs.org/pictures.htm, however it doesn’t seem to have the marvellous colours we get in it here in Australia. I don’t know if you are aware of it or not, but patterned Bill’s will give their best colours when grown under good light. I have found this so by hanging mine about 18” beneath my 75% beige coloured shade cloth. When the same plants were on benches beneath 50% Green shade cloth the colours were nowhere near as special as they are now. I don’t know of the other plant you speak of x Neotropsis ‘B-Fire’, but it sound interesting and could you post a picture when it flowers for us all to see please.

Wendy – My wife reckons it’s taken her 48 years to train me like that so it doesn’t happen overnight, but just the same this old “Pa” gets cranky sometimes also. You talk of your disappointment in plants with a lot of white; well I have a few including Neo Inferno (one of my favourites) which you speak of and I have found they grow better in lower light than most other Neo’s. Mine are beneath 75% beige shade cloth on a low bench in the shadiest corner of the shade house, and I now don’t get marking like I did when they were growing with the others in a better lit area, so worth a try I think. (The marking is also probably exaggerated by the stronger Qld sun).

Aechmea Ensign (another of my favourites) is a different case altogether and I have all sorts of trouble growing it. As I was told, I have it hanging high up beneath the shade cloth with all the other orlandianas which grow well, but it just gets sun damage and goes back and back. Last weekend I visited an old orchid growing friend and he grows it beautifully, but he has his on a very low bench (12” high) in his shade house beneath 75% green shade cloth and they seem to thrive; so as soon as the rain stops, I know what I’m going to try.

I’m not a Tillandsia man myself, but I do like your Tillandsia balls, it’s a novel idea and should be very attractive when they are all properly established and flowering. Is it an idea you saw somewhere else or did your hubby think it up? (I ask this, as men always have the good ideas, it’s just the women who pester them to carry out the work on them). Is that coco fibre inside the balls, and have you tried growing mini Neo’s in the same way? You should get a quicker result.

As for your Neo.‘Painted Delight’ seedling, I imagine you will find that when it flowers, the foliage colour will intensify much more, so that’s something to look forward to.

The pic is of a seedling I grew from a cross I made with Neo concentrica x [Charm x Cracker Jack]

All the best, Nev.

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 16, 2011
1:57 PM

Post #8696177

Nice one, Nev. Wendy, just because a man is nodding and saying 'yes dear' doesn't mean he's agreeing, or has even heard what you've said. Don't listen to Nev. lol
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 16, 2011
3:04 PM

Post #8696279

Well, my plants are getting a good dose of neglect at the moment. But they don't seem to be complaining, yet. The tillandsias are looking good too. Some broms need repotting as they are top heavy and won't stay upright. Will get there, eventually. Am pleased that they are all growing despite the dark and cold conditions.

Nev, that purple (or blue?) neo is gorgeous. Wendy, those fish net balls look fantastic. I got some bird netting in white and coir, so I can make some for myself, when I get around to it. The bird netting is so cheap and because it is very wide, you don't need much. I got it from the Capalaba produce store, which has all the bird stuff down the back. They have it on a roll. That place has really grown.

Jean, I love the bill flowers, they are really interesting as well as lovely.

Hello all other brom lovers. Its wet here today and I won't be doing much.

Karen
77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 16, 2011
3:09 PM

Post #8696286

Thanks for the comments . Nev, my broms are not all bills. I have quite a few aechmeas and neos plus about 9 tills.
I love the bills best as they are so much more fun to grow, being not so fussy as others.
I have them all in a plastic greenhouse which is so much brighter than where they were under shadecloth.
My b. Hallelujahs have their lovely chocolate color back after going nearly all green in the old place.
I also have among the bills...amoena 'Selby Sidel'... 'Euphemie Waterman'..."Perriums Pride' ...'Catherine Wilson' and 'Kyoto'..
I dont know a lot about broms , but just bought what I liked the look of.
I do have a few courtesy of Sue and some from dear Leisa.
I have quite a few noids but as they flower, I will post them and see if i can get an ID.
When repotting my new ones yesterday, I found a tiny pup coming on one of the plants.
I dont know what I will do when they all get too big for the greenhouse as they have grown so much in the short time they have been in there.
If you just type in neotropsis BFire on the net, you should get the site I saw yesterday where Mr Butcher has info on it.
Jean.
perke_patch

July 17, 2011
2:52 AM

Post #8697078

We hadsome lovely rain yesterday and last night but woketo brilliant sunshine this morning so went to the markets to pick up some broms we had ordered. On the way home we picked up a nice walk in plastic covered seedling house for Sue. We thought they were great for $99 but last week they were dropped to $69 so quickly rang Sue. Unfortunately Coffs Bunnings didn't have them so we grabbed one at our local Bunnings. Wish we had somewhere to put one but alas no room to fit one in. Could fit a lot of seeds and seedlings in this one. Look forward to pics of Sue filling hers up when she gets up here to collect it.

We had a lovely visit from Karen this afternoon. She went home with a few good sized tillandsias to add to her collection.

Nev we have a man who makes those balls for us. When he made the first one out of scrap fishing net he had he brought it around to see if I could use it. I immediately put till hayleys comet on it. This is the bottom one of the group of 4 in the pic. It is thickening up nicely and almost coveres the net inside. As he has used up the net he has he has started filling them with coir. BOth types work well with tills and mini neos. We have both as well as orchids on them.

Jean you have some nice broms there. I think there was only one in that list you gave that we already have. I think we wil have to do a swap in the near future when you have a few spare pups.

this pic is of a couple of our seedlings from the neo takemura x grace darling. Half these seedlings came out deep dark purple and the other half are green with purple stripes. they are getting quite big now so should flower and pup soon.

WENDY

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 17, 2011
2:25 PM

Post #8698065

Helloooooooo...Wendy, thank you for a most informative and relaxing afternoon yesterday. We didn't mean to stay so long but the company was so easy to be with. I do hope you or John didn't suffer from being out in the cold. I always say its time to come in, rug up, and close up at 4pm in winter to keep the bugs away.

Will get some pics later of the newbies. I am so pleased with them as they are larger than my own plants and I might see some action from them sooner, and they look so healthy.

Have to get some garden rubbish binned up today. The front is coming along slowly, one binfull per month.

Karen
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 17, 2011
3:00 PM

Post #8698121

Hi everyone,


Gardengal – Now you’ve gone and “let the cat out of the bag”, just when I though no one knew I don’t listen.

Karen – That seedling I showed the pic of and you described as “purple (or blue?)”, has areas of a very, very dark purple bordering on black. It was planted in that garden with a batch of others that were culls from the same crossing, “just to fill a hole”, and I was very surprised to see the colour it went when exposed to good light out in the open. (It just goes to show you shouldn’t write off seedlings too early). I have put some pollen from Neo Midnight or Neo Voodoo (whatever you want to call it as they seem to keep changing the name) onto it in the hope of producing some dark hybrids.

Jean – You always need to be careful when potting any brom’s as the small new pups just starting to emerge are very easily broken off. That’s why when we clean plants and are pulling off any dead leaves from around the base, we cut off the excess of the dead leaf first and then split the remaining part of the leaf down the middle and pull one half to the right and the other to the left. This avoids any damage to the new pups which may just be starting beneath the dead leaf and not yet be obvious. You say you don’t know a lot about brom’s and just buy what you like the look of, isn’t that what it’s all about? I think we all collect plants to please ourselves not others, I know I do.

I read the article by Uncle Derek about this particular bi-generic cross and it gets even more confusing. What puzzled me about your bi-generic hybrid Neotropsis ‘B-Fire’ was that it was called a “x Neotropsis” which is a Neoregelia crossed with a Catopsis. When I looked up the parents, they were given as a Neoregelia and a Nidularium (Nidularium burchellii) which should gives us a x Niduregelia, not a Neotropsis. After asking a few questions of people more knowledgeable in this area than I, I was told that the parent “Nidularium burchellii” was once named as “Catopsis burchellii” and has since been renamed and moved in with the Nidulariums. (This is something the taxonomists sometimes do I think just to confuse us). The thing is that even though the name of the parent in the records is shown as “Nidularium (sic) burchellii” it should have also had an accompanying explanation.

Wendy – I really like your Takemura x Grace Darling seedlings. Is there any chance of please taking a pic looking down from above to show the cup colour of the ones in the pic, and also some pic's of the others from this cross as well please?

That’s about it for now, it’s raining down here again today so it looks like I’m out in the garage again potting up seedlings, it seems the potting is never ending, but I love it.

All the best, Nev.
77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 17, 2011
3:04 PM

Post #8698127

Always willing to swap something Wendy. It may be awhile though as pups are slow here at the moment. Some broms seem to put them out quickly and some never do. I have a large old looking blanchetiana (?) that was probably one of the first I got. It has never done much in 5 years, but sit in the corner and sulk. Maybe its too old to pup. It came with the bill 'Gerdas' that were all in with the epi collection I bought back in 2006. They were very neglected and sitting out in the weather.
I tossed the old plants over along a fence out of the way . As the 'Gerdas' have pupped, I have taken them off and now have them all over the place. The blanchetiana I felt sorry for and put with the epis in the shadehouse until I gradually got more broms.
Maybe now its in the greenhouse it will do something. One more year and out it will go.
I have only lost one brom to the cold and that was one I really liked. It just rotted even though it was kept under cover and not wet.
I think the extreme cold spell we had at the time, killed it off . A. 'Chantini', it was very pretty. Now they are all in the greenhouse, I may try again with another
Jean.

breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 17, 2011
5:38 PM

Post #8698425

my pimmento keeps putting out pups.

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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 17, 2011
7:33 PM

Post #8698612

Hi everyone,
wow so much to catch up on...nice to see it so lively in here :)
Love everyone photos, all such beautiful broms. I wrote a reply a couple of days ago, got side tracked and when i came back to the computer...hubby had closed my browser and yup I lost my post cause I hadn't sent it, ppffftttt.
Thanks Nev about the seeds, I will keep an eye on the moisture levels. Oh and the Friesea thing...my bad, it's cause V and F are so close on the keyboard and I tend to type without looking of proof reading, oppps. Have to keep an closer eye on that in future.
Wendy those seeds are the Aussie Dream seeds, but the Narelle's are ready to overtake I think, or a close second, I need to go check them soon actually while my little guy is asleep and I can slowly check all the seedlings. Still so very small, but I am loving this seed thing :)
I can't wait to be writing, that i am repotting seedlings, lol, boy i will have lots to do once I make it to that stage :)
Nev, you must be doing well to at least be nodding and saying "yes dear" as my hubby is shocking, I can talk to him and him not even hear a single word, I think say...did you hear me... and he'll jump and say..."ohh sorry, what did you say" and when I start again, he tunes out again, LOL. I just give up. I usually end up saying mid sentence... "yeah blah blah blah " and that usually catches his attention, ha ha ha. But i wouldn't trade him in, he's good value... just don't him I said that, lol.
ohh Nev I like that Neo concentrica x [Charm x Cracker Jack] photo, very nice.
Ohhhh and Breeindy, that is what I am chasing at the moment, I think Pemiento is just a stunning brom, love the vibrant colours.
I have decided to try and track down what is on my wish list, which is only 5 or 6 at the moment, and then I'll add more to the list ;)
we went to cairns on the weekend and I did very well, only spent $19 dollars on two broms, and decided that was it, cause i want what is on my list first. One that seems quite elusive so far is Neo Crayola, apparently it's very slow growing and doesn't pup much? I will have to be patient for that one it seems :) Some of the Vriesea's I like sound the same, don't pup much, so again, must be patient.
Jean, I must count mine one day too, as I don't have 100's yet, but i think I would be suprised if I actually counted them as to just how many we now have. A lovely lady i have met on Facebook sent me a whole box full of mini's and other small broms, and I think that will have really boosted the numbers. I'm also surprised to hear that your blanchetiana doesn't pup for you, one of the first ones I really got was a blanchetiana and we have had probably... 6 pups off it in the last 12 mths and it has 2 more on it now. Actually i just went digging through my photos, to try and work out when we got it, as we have only really gotten into broms in a big way since after christmas, but did have maybe 5 or so before that, just as part of the yard. And it looks like we must of had that blanchetiana for about 18 months maybe. Saw a photo of the garden prior to the broms taking over, Oh My God, what a difference.
Ok don't want to make this too long,
Tash

perke_patch

July 18, 2011
6:15 AM

Post #8699087

Tash I think blanchetiana was probably one of the first ones we got too. No the first one was a gee whizz that Johnny brought home from a dump run. We put it in the sick bay and watched it throw out pups. When the pups grew and we saw the colours we loved them. At the start we got most of our broms from other poeples discards at the dump and just looked after them till they gave us pups. Then we drove past a yard with very large orange plants and stopped in to have a closer look and met our mentor who really started us collecting. We started buying broms from her and when she decided she was too old to do it any more we bought her out. It starts with one and another and suddenly you have the bug and a collection.

Nev this takemura x grace darling seedling is interesting as he green leaves are outlined with pink. None of the others are like that.

Wendy

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perke_patch

July 18, 2011
6:18 AM

Post #8699091

and this is a couple of striped ones. They all have individual numbers

Wendy

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perke_patch

July 18, 2011
6:27 AM

Post #8699109

and this is one that I took from the top just last week. It is out the front in a half pot on the fence getting good light and is such a deep dark purple but the flash has bleached some of the colour out. This is TG#1

Wendy

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July 18, 2011
6:33 AM

Post #8699123

we spent the day today at my brothers cleaning his broms. He works in WA mines and only gets home for less that a couple weeks at a time. I think it is 4 weeks working every day then 2 weeks off so he doesn't get time to look after his broms and nobody does while he is away. They desperately needed cleaning so we offered to come and help today. He wanted us to save the mothers and put them in one area but we were more inclined to cut mother away and leave a couple of pups in pot. This thinned them out and gave them all breathing room. Just before we left Johnny sprayed them all for scale which was really bad cause they were so squashed together.

Of course for our trouble I releived him of a couple of pups that we didn't have. As though we needed more hahaha. He has a few others that we don't have but they were just too scaley to bring home. We will go back out to his place in a couple weeks while he is back at work and spray again. I'll have a good look at what he has then. I know he has a couple vriseas coming into flower so we may have to bring them home with us to cross with some of ours. depends if we have same ones flowering or not.

Anyway must be off to bed now. Nite all
Wendy
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 18, 2011
2:45 PM

Post #8700099

Hi everyone,

Gee I like our little chats each day, much better than the “one liners” on Face book, or maybe I’m not using that right as well?

Jean – Your blanchetiana should flower eventually and this is a good time of the year to move it to a high light situation as I’m told they like bright light. I have one that’s five years old and just finished flowering down here and it’s out in good light and I imagine it’s colder down here than where you are so you shouldn’t have any problem with it, but I have found that all big plants take longer to grow and consequently longer to flower so be patient. The shock of a move often jolts things into action so I would move it into brighter light, give it a feed of a good fertilizer that’s not too high in nitrogen but has a good wack of potassium such as the one that is made in Qld. specifically for bromeliads and QLD conditions. I don’t know whether I should be giving out the address of the manufacturer on here or not, however as I’m not getting any financial gain from it I imagine it’s OK. It is obtainable from:
Horticultural Solutions
P.O. Box 213 Capala
QLD
4157
I would certainly say that you’re not the only person to lose a plant of Ae Chantinii to the cold as a lot of its clones are very cold sensitive. I have two different clones and have managed to get them both through two very cold winters by hanging them right up beneath my 75% beige shade cloth roof as I was advised by the chap I got them from.

Breeindy – I don’t know what you’re doing to your Pimiento to make it keep producing pups, but whatever it is, keep doing it, as it’s a very popular brom and well worth having.

Tash – Good to see everything’s growing well for you; it won’t be long before you have to start potting up your seedlings which seems to be a never ending job for me. But growing seedlings is a bit like panning for gold, you never known when the good one will turn up, and we should never lose sight of the fact that all the beautiful hybrids we look at and grow today or perhaps are on our wish lists, were all seedlings once upon a time. I’m quite convinced that the future is with seedlings and there are still much better ones coming than those already available and besides, look at the excitement you get from waiting for the babies to mature.

Wendy – As well as the red outline on the edge of the leaves, that first plant seems to have a little bit of radial red striation in a couple of the centre leaves as well and it will be interesting to watch it develop . How about another pic in about six months time please?

The radial red striations in the plants in the second picture are more pronounced and I’d certainly be hanging on to these to see what develops, same request again, more pic’s in six months time please.

The one in pic 3 is certainly different to the others and again worth hanging onto. When it flowers and eventually pups, I would try pups in different light locations to see which gives the best colour. Whatever you do, you have proved just what I was saying earlier, you never know what you’ll get when you grow from seed.

Wendy, what sort of scale was it on your brother’s plants, and what spray did Johnny use? I’m always interested to hear of the treatment for the different types of scale in different states. Fortunately scale don’t seem to like the cold weather too much so I’m not greatly troubled with them down here, but it can be a problem up north in the tropics if allowed to get out of hand. Best to isolate any plants you bring in that have scale, remove from the pot and dip the whole plant. Allow to air dry in the shade before re-potting and keep isolated and re-spray again in two weeks. Remember the flyspeck scale won’t just “drop off” when they’re dead; they have to be physically removed. An old toothbrush with the bristles cut in half are good for this, but don’t try and remove them before they are dead or you’ll just spread the eggs which are beneath the adult female scale.

There is an interesting article on flyspeck scale in one of our past Illawarra Bromeliad Society “News Links” at “http://www.bromeliad.org.au/news/Ill0408.htm”. Scroll down until the second last article for more information about this pest.

All the best, Nev.
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 18, 2011
2:58 PM

Post #8700144

Good moprning all. Nev, that address would probably be Capalaba, not Capala. Wendy was showing me a packet of the fertilizer on Sunday, and I think that would be the same one. I'll be getting a pack next time I'm down that way.

Karen

Nev, you are forgiven for Capalaba. I can't even get morning right.


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77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
3:10 PM

Post #8700188

Thanks for the tips Nev. The broms were not getting the best bright light before , so now they are in the greenhouse where they get very bright light they should improve. I see a marked change in most already as they are growing better and coloring up.
I had a lot of plain green ones before. I know a lot of pups are green until they get a bit older but now I see tints of color even in smaller ones.
My older blanchetiana mentioned above was fairly scruffy when he arrived here . I have him in a pot where he will get lots of light as the spring/summer comes .
It is very cold down here as I am in the lower s/w corner of Vic. The greenhouse is placed so ti runs east/west and gets bright light most of the day until the sun moves past the tall eucalypt . I have green shadecloth over the east end so hot sun is no problem. When the warm weather gets here, I will try him outside somewhere and see what happens.

a question on pups...
I see lots of differing opinions on when to remove them.. I have a few that are getting to be as big as the mother . eg.. Hannibal Lector , splenriet , Jewellery Shop etc..
I dont have the room for many pots of each one, so I may pot them and see if they sell at the annual market. When do I do this ? Now or later in the warm weather. ?
Jean.
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 18, 2011
5:09 PM

Post #8700462

Hi again everyone,

Karen - You are right, it should be Capalaba and not Capala as I wrote, I must pay more attention to what I'm writing instead of thinking what I'm going to put next while I can still remember it.

Jean - I had forgotten you were down in Vic. where it's colder so first off,. if and when your budget can afford it, I would change to 75% beige coloured shade cloth. I changed over last year and the colours in my Neo's and Bill's I reckon is about 25% improved with the better light.

When to remove pups? There are as many different answers as there are growers. I personally think it has a lot to do with your climate and in the colder climates I wouldn't remove them until they are at least three quarters the size of the mother and have roots.

Up it the tropics they can remove them when they are one third of the mother or even smaller and without roots. I know of a chap who takes hair pups from Alcantareas when they are about 1.5 inches high and they grow fine for him, but not down this way unfortunately.

Finally, to really play it safe in your area, I wouldn't take them of until spring when the weather is starting to warm up. Maybe others will say I'm over cautious and maybe I am, but that's just what I would do.

All the best, Nev.
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

July 18, 2011
10:46 PM

Post #8701015

gawd, take a few days off and everyone has been going for it! I agree Nev, definitley wait for warmer weather. I've taken pups off at all different times and found if i leave them on until spring, they are much lager than the ones removed in autumn, and take root in a matter of a couple of weeks.
Nev, men have all the good ideas? Now, thats our trick! I mention things to hubby and let him think it was his idea, because its a sure way to have it done quicker! I'm sure all the gals here will agree! Actually, Bill is known for the occasional pearler, I'll give him that.
Not much going on here, with the broms and gardens. Just waiting on a couple of first time bloomers.
Wendy, I notice in the pic of your Tillandsia balls, theres not another brom in sight! Is that photo taken at someone elses house! he he. I hope you are getting better and you too karen. Nobody likes to feel under the weather.
I am looking forwadr to the new hothouse, and Wendy, I don't know if i read it wrong, but are you offering it to me, filled with plants? he he.
Bree, your plants look really good, any chance of more pics? Did you get your garden beds sorted out?
Jean, you've definitely got a collection!
Marlene, I think your little unknown is A. seideliana too, but I am not familiar with nevs 'Peek-a-boo' but the FCBS pic looks like it has reddish foliage. I have one that was ID'd as A. seideliana, and it looks much like yours.
Oh, well, must go light the fire. The clouds have come over and its gotten a bit chilly. Trying to keep those Werauhia kupperiana seedlings alive Nev. I've lost two, and another is beginning to struggle. All I ask is that I can keep one alive to get a bit of size on it over spring, and then it should be ok.
Ta-ta!
Sue
77sunset
Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
10:48 PM

Post #8701017

Thanks Nev. I have changed tho roof shadecloth on the epi house to beige and am doing the same to the zygo house when funds permit. I used the old pieces to just barely cover the back end of the brom greenhouse so there is still lots of bright light.
I used it mainly as cover between the two greenhouse so I could plant in the space there. The greenhouse is light green plastic so I cant change that.
I think it will be okay for the broms as the greenhouses are on the north side of the house which gets sun all day. The dappled shade from the sparse gum tree is great late in the afternoons. I always have the door rolled up in warm weather so it doesnt get too stuffy for them.
My little hair pups, I took from the alcantarea are doing well. I just left them in the water in the mother leaves for a few months and then popped them in the pot beside her.
I have just been out taking a few pics and will put them here to show how the broms are doing down in the cold. I hope you dont mind a few pics taking up space. There are also a few noids out there, that I am waiting on to flower so I can hopefully get an ID for them.
I am learning a lot on here even if I am not a breeder. ( to slow for me, bad enough waiting years for an epi to grow )
Sue will be interested to see this one . A.. "Mend" with the pups she put out after her centre rotted away. Nothing wrong with her looks now except for no centre.
Jean

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Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
10:51 PM

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Alcanterea with babies. sorry, I think I chopped them nearly out of the pic.

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Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
10:54 PM

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Some of the bills. Euphemie Waterman at the back, Selby Sidel in the middle and Periums Pride at the front. My two fasciatas. primera and silver vase at each end.

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Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
10:55 PM

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Hannibal Lector and junior.

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Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
10:57 PM

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neo Beefsteak in front and at the back a neo I bought as Jewellery Shop x Perriums Pride. Lovely color but no cultivar name.

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Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
10:59 PM

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This is my large a. blanchetiana. About half the size of some I have seen in other photos . How long does it take to get to that huge size ? I thought this one was getting old . Maybe hes just coming of age.

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Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
11:02 PM

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I bought this one as a real cheapie when I was starting out with broms. It was labelled aech. Crispa, but I havent found anything of that name.
It has put out 2 pups, one of which is very large with a pup of its own. They come out on long stolons Poor mum is nearly gone now.

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Merino
Australia

July 18, 2011
11:04 PM

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aechmeas, Bert and Burgundy.
This had better be the last for now .
Jean.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 19, 2011
12:19 AM

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New tillandsias from Wendy. I also got a lovely Ionanthus, but the photo didn't turn out. Try again tomorrow.

Karen

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 19, 2011
12:23 AM

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My small pink crypt. So pretty.

Karen

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 19, 2011
12:25 AM

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Hi everyone,
Sue – It’s about time you came on here to add some of your knowledge about brom’s, but not what you’ve just said! All the girls say how they have suggested something in conversation so the hubby thinks it’s his idea. Personally I don’t believe it, but I suppose you’ve gotta have some sort of comeback.

It’s just as well you took those few kupperiana seedlings as it’s snowing today a few kilometres inland from here at Robertson and I don’t think they would have survived till tomorrow. I still have a few I’m nursing inside on top of wifey’s china cabinet, but she understands just what a bargain she got with me and doesn’t complain, he he.

Yes Sue, that little plant does resemble A. seideliana but it resembles my Ae. Peek-A-Boo also as well as quite a few unnamed hybrids, (I’ll have to see if I can find a pic of it when it was flowering). That pic of Peek-A-Boo on the FCBS looks nothing like my Peek-A-Boo nor other plants of Peek-A-Boo I’ve seen either. If you look carefully at pic’s taken by the same bloke and compare it with his other pic’s of plants they too all have that yellow cast through them and don’t resemble the plants they are supposed to look like. I think they’re probably old pic’s from pre digital days with poor colour.

Jean – You will often find when a plant rots out in the middle it will put up two or more pups, where it would usually only produce them one at a time, that’s why it’s unwise to toss them in the bin. I once had an Aechmea Miniata discolour that rotted to the extent there was just the base left and no green anywhere. I tossed it on the compost heap and about six months later when I was turning the compost. There it was with the tiniest, skinny little yellow pup trying to push its way up through the compost. That wasn’t the end of it though; there was also a little spike with two deformed buds on it coming from the old base as well. It just goes to show how resilient brom’s really are when they’re trying to survive, truly amazing.

You have some nice healthy looking plants there Jean, but when you are trying to ID a NOID it’s a good idea to have a pic of the flower as well as the foliage if you can as it makes it easier to identify. I’m not familiar with an Aechmea called Crispa and can’t find it on the Photo Index either so it’s probably an unregistered name. Do you recognise it Sue?

Gotta go and put the fire on, Brrrrrrrrrrr!

All the best, Nev.
perke_patch

July 19, 2011
1:14 AM

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here is a pic of our aechmea seideliana for comparison. It looks lovely when in flower as it is now. We have it in hanging baskets and when not flowering hangs up high out of site then when flowering it comes down to be seen by all.

Karen is your little pink orthophytum marian openheimer? check it out on FCBS. We have a couple of these from Margaret Paterson in Gympie. she had 2 clones of it - one producing bigger plants than the other so we got one of each.

Nev I will certainly keep taking photos of the seedlings every couple of months. I think I have quite a few of each one now name TG#1 Dec 10 and TG#1 April 11 etc. I can look at the progress of each plant. Photos of each batch of seedlings are kept in its own folder. It would take me ages to find a photo if they were all mixed in with all other neo photos.

Wendy

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 19, 2011
1:35 PM

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Jean, even here in the subtropics, my first blanchetiana, which was a reasonable size when I got it, took maybe 3 years to flower for me. I did the same thing you've done with the Alcantarea babies. The first one I removed had no roots at all, and was quite surprised to see the mass of roots it had developed when I checked it a couple of months later. I eventually potted it, probably a couple of months ago and it did a bit of a 'leap' - is happily sitting on top of the water heater at the moment. I popped a couple more babies into the leaf axil at the same time and although they did already have some roots, just seem to be sitting doing not much. Once the nights warm up I am expecting they'll probably take off too.



Pam
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 19, 2011
3:02 PM

Post #8702236

Wendy, I couldn't find it on FCBS, but I Googled it, and it sure looks like Marian Oppenheimer. I've had the plant quite a while, think I may have got it from the markets unnamed. It is a slow grower here, but I love the colours in it.

Karen

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 19, 2011
3:48 PM

Post #8702356

wow blink and look what happens, lol, great photos everyone, I love seeing them.
Wendy you made me laugh, that's how we got quite a few of ours too, Jason (hubby) picking them up from the dump and bringing them home. some are pretty tatty, but giving pups, so the pups will replace the shabby mum's when they die. I have the photos of one in particular on my Facebook photos that we don't know what it is, you would of seen it on there probably. I have some people guessing it's a huge strappy Neo, and others saying Aechmea, I personally am thinking Aechmea, but... who knows, especially now that the leaves have now changed widths since we have had it. Quite amazing to me how a brom can do that mid way along a leaf. Obviously it needs the full sun we have it in and must of been growing in the shade where it came from. So perhaps it could be a Neo after all??? The flower will tell us all. One day. I'm glad my hubby is not the only one who finds them and rescues them from the dump ;)
What a good deed you did for your brother, I hope you get a couple of nice broms out of it :) You seedlings are looking great, so amazing to be looking at my little bits of green and knowing they will grow into nice big broms, quite amazing, they look nothing like a brom yet, well to me, lol.
Nev yes I am getting so much excitment out of watching my seeds grow, loving every bit of it...still want more, lol.
Jean, I love your photos, I have a Beefsteak, but I brought it and another one at the same time, and she had no tags, but she told me which one was beefsteak, but i can't remember, doh! Both look quite similar to me. I'll have to work it out one day.
Hannibal lector is one I will get one day too, I quite like it. Your blanchetiana, how big is it? Mine are really quite big, and spread themselves quite widely too.
Karen, that's a pretty crypt, I was given two little ones just the other day, I hope they survive cause both are quite cute. One that I was given is Cryptanthus Marian Oppenheimer but it's just a wee little thing right now.
Oh and my vr Tachete gold has started to flower, I have been watching it and then low and behold this morning, it is flowering. I would like to get seeds off of this one, but would of missed my chance on these flowers last night I think. Nev did you say about 9pm is the best time for Vrieseas? I did it this morning as soon as I saw it, but probably way too late, but just in case.
Hope you are all well,
Tash

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perke_patch

July 19, 2011
11:55 PM

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Nev I received my latest batch from you today. Thanks for those. They are already planted. I'm excited at the thought of having some mini neos. I have looked at the minis thinking about crossing them and collecting the seeds but it seems way too hard in such a small space. One day I will get it right I guess. We have so many seeds growing now - little shoots of green appearing everywhere in containers. I even have one growing half way up the side of the tray nowhere near the coir at all. Resilient little buggers aren't they?

Tash you are sure building your collection rapidly. You now have a lot that we don't have so some future swaps are getting closer all the time. Your tachete gold is one we don't have and looks nice too. I also don't have beefsteak but have heard of that one. One day Iwill come across it.

I sat here last night and printed off photos of all our achmeas and put them in a small photo album. I have small albums for each different type of brom so if anyone is wanting to see what a full grown one looks like I can flick through the photos and show them. I already have a range of photos printed and laminated and when we have a sale I clip the photo of full grown plant onto younger ones to show what they will look like. They usually go when I do that.

Anyhow must get gea going now but it is so cold I am sitting in front of my heater warming my feet.

Wendy
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 20, 2011
12:20 AM

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Hi everyone,

Wendy - If you open up the FCBS Site and then open Cryptanthus Society and go down to "Cryptanthus Photos" there are two different pic's of ‘Marian Oppenheimer’.

I also hit one of the keys while on Dave's Garden and came up with the info below as well, which is very interesting. (Don’t ask me how I did it as I don't know and I haven't been able to do it again)?????? But from what is said about it, it may glow in the dark (from the radiation).


"‘Marian Oppenheimer is a small, yet attractive Cryptanthus cultivar of ‘Roseus’, created by radiation experimentation. Typically, the leaves are blue-green with bright pink edges, sometimes striped as well, which fade to a dull and unappealing off-white colour if the plant remains in low light conditions for a prolonged period of time. Unlike most grown Cryptanthus varieties, this particular cultivar has unusually elongated, narrow leaf tips, which greatly enhance the star-like effect of the rosette that brought about the common name of this genus: Earth Stars. Despite this plant’s place of origin (the wet and humid rain forests of Brazil), ‘Marian Oppenheimer’, as well as several species of Earth Stars, do not demand frequent waterings and will survive in drier conditions. They will, however, perform best if watered moderately from time to time, letting the soil dry out a little in between waterings. From personal experience, I have found that ‘Marian Oppenheimer’ makes a wonderful addition to any interior plant collection. Its range of tolerances makes it suitable for almost any available space indoors; either planted in a terrarium or simply growing in a small pot on the kitchen windowsill, provided that the sunlight is not intensely strong".

Tash - Gee you people must have a better dump up there than we have down here, fancy finding brom's at the dump. I must admit I seldom go there anymore since they jacked to charge up to $47 for a ute load of rubbish.

I was told by a couple of blokes who hybridize foliage type vrieseas that about 9.00 pm is the time to pollinate them. Apparently in the wild they are pollinated by large moths and small bats; I tried it and it worked for me. Anyway, you have plenty more flowers to practice on yet.

That reminds me, I have to take pups off mine, I had forgotten all about it, I think it was someone on here that wanted one (Wendy I think) I have a crook memory and when I write it on the computer it breaks down and I lose it as well, seems that I just can't win. I'll have to go back to the old pen and paper; I know that doesn't crash, but then I'll probably misplace it!

All the best, Nev.
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 20, 2011
2:17 PM

Post #8704327

Nev, thanks for the write up on Marian Oppenheimer. I am not good at navigating around some of the sites on the web and couldn't find that particular plant on that site, but did find other snippets and pics on other sites when I googled it. It has a good range of colour, that one and is one of my favourites.

Karen
gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 20, 2011
2:52 PM

Post #8704365

Not broms, but my aunt picked up a clump of half a dozen or so hippeastrum bulbs from the dump, and when they flowered they turned out to be papillio - these sell for around $25 a pop, WHEN you can get them.
perke_patch

July 21, 2011
12:57 AM

Post #8705360

Hi all
Nev when I was working I developed a hint sheet called "Things to do today" I always kept one on my desk and whenever our unit was asked to do something I wrote it down and who was given the task. This prompted me to follow up on my staff. I now use an adapted version and if I don't write things down on this booklet I forget to do it.

The other night you asked me a question and It wasn't until I logged off that I remembered I hadn't responded. Can't remember now what it was you asked ... I didn't write it on my list hahahaha. Unfortunatle y sometimes I need to do something when i'm downstairs and the list is upstairs so I don't get to write it down. Then in the evening I sit in front of the computer and think "what was I going to look up tonight?"

This is one of my favourite neophytums call ralph davies. I love the vibrant red colour and when it flowers the centre is pure white. I've never taken a photo though when the flowers are open as they are now. I must write that on my to do list ... take photo or ralph davies. LOL

Wendy

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 21, 2011
4:37 PM

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This is a pup I got from Wendy a while ago. It is just coming into some colour now. I can't wait to see this one full size. It is Neo. Black Beauty.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 21, 2011
4:40 PM

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Also from John and Wendy, this is a young Vriesea Fosteriana X Red Chestnut. I love this one.

Karen

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shellharbour
Australia

July 21, 2011
5:23 PM

Post #8707152

Hi everyone,

Wendy - That's a nice xNeophytum 'Ralph Davis' you have there, I have three or so different xNeophytums but I think my favourite would have to be xNeophytum 'Galactic Warrior'. It originated as a sport from Ralph Davis and is a very good grower and pupper.

Below is a picture of one in a recent show down here which got second prize and just missed out on first because it wasn't fully coloured up, but it's still nice.

All the best, Nev.

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 22, 2011
1:59 PM

Post #8709060

DawnSong wrote:Also from John and Wendy, this is a young Vriesea Fosteriana X Red Chestnut. I love this one.

Karen


So can anyone tell me please ... if it looks like Red Chestnut, but doesn't have a tag, how does one tell if it actually IS Red Chestnut? A Garden Club friend had a clump growing in her garden a few years ago, no name, and gave me a pup. It was a good sized pup at the time, has never put out pups of its own though in probably 6 years that I've had it. :(
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 22, 2011
3:00 PM

Post #8709145

Gardengal, a photo may help those in the know ID your ?Red Chestnut?

Love those Ralph Davies, though they look rather spikey. I must be due for another brom fix. Had better wait until this cold weather is over though. Some of mine are looking rather sad at the moment.

Karen

This Neo. Fairy Paint X Chlorosticta, also from Wendy, is pupping up nicely and looking very colourful.


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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 22, 2011
3:00 PM

Post #8709146

I think this is my beefsteak

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 22, 2011
3:01 PM

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no i was wrong (just checked) its either sun valley or sunset.

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 22, 2011
3:03 PM

Post #8709152

some of my neo's i have ralph davies(the darker red one on the left i think) and Lymanii is the other.

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 22, 2011
3:04 PM

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Gary Hendrix.

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 22, 2011
3:06 PM

Post #8709159

ones had little purple flowers. This is a really small plant thats currently got a little pup growing on it.
Its called fire cracker.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 22, 2011
10:34 PM

Post #8709981

Hi everyone,
Pam – Regarding your Vr. Red Chestnut question, you have really opened a “can of worms”. I can’t answer your question, but if you find out the answer, please share it with us.

The topic of Red Chestnut was dealt with in some detail a while back in the Bromeliad Section of the Garden Web http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bromeliad/msg081746027901.html
If you type Vriesea Red Chestnut into the search engine at the top of the page and then select from the results, the first post called “Vriesea fosterianas” on Sat Aug 29 2009 you will be able to read the whole interesting yet complicated story with lots and lots of photos. The end result seems to be that the original Red Chestnut which was a cultivated variety of Vriesea fosterianas var. Seideliana has been crossed with other fosterianas and selfed so many times that no ones now seems to know which is which. Many of the resulting “look-alikes” have been incorrectly called Red Chestnut which they are not! Crossing one Red Chestnut with another Red Chestnut will only give you more Vr. fosterianas not more Red Chestnuts.
Further more the Bromeliad Cultivar Registry has this and quite a bit more to say about Red Chestnut also “http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=VRIESEA&id=9024#9024” , again more interesting reading.

I think I’d better leave it there for now, but remember, you did ask the questions.

Sorry to take up so much space

All the best, Nev.
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 23, 2011
12:20 AM

Post #8710104

Hi everyone

Bree - It seems you opened up a "can of worms" also with Neo Beefsteak.

Read all about it from the BCR and the article written by Derek Butcher (Uncle Derek), and then you'll know why I'm often confused with names

"Neoregelia ‘Big Bands’ by Butcher Mar. 2011.
In the Jan 2011 issue of Meristem the Journal of the Caloosahatchee Brom Soc I found out some fascinating information about the Neorgegelia called ‘Oeser’s #100. About 1977, Joe and Peggy Bailey of Florida acquired a supposed unique neoregelia from a nursery in California.

In 1991 when Fort Myers horticultural artist, Kiti Wenzel was asked to create a poster for the 1992 WBC “Bromeliad Safari” to be held in Tampa Florida, Peggy provided a picture of the Neoregelia ‘Big Bands’ (also known as Oeser hybrid #100) as the model for the poster. It was reported in the Journal of the Bromeliad Society International, May-June l992 issue that this plant was the only one of its kind and at that time was felt to no longer be in existence. Actually this is not true, because today Neoregelia 'Big Bands' exists in many collections, at least in Florida gardens; and this is again due to the generosity of the Baileys. Another inconsistency was in the colour of the banding. Photographs on the Bromeliad Cultivar Register http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php show a contrast with the one from Peggy Bailey showing gold/yellow banding as is the plant depicted in the poster by Kiti, whereas the other from Tropiflora shows light green bands.

The description given to Don Beadle by Peggy Bailey for the 1998 edition of the Bromeliad Cultivar Registry – “Dark, rich red spotted and banded with chartreuse - irregular very distinct bands to half the upper leaves evident even in small offsets”. This suggests variation depending on what intensity of light the plant is subjected to.

Seeing the photo by Tropiflora reminded me of a photo I took of ‘Happy Thoughts’ that was at one time known as ‘Green Bands’!
This in turn had me looking at Oeser numbers and what had happened in the USA and Australia. It seems that about 1965 he sent packets of hybrid seed numbered 1 to 20 AND 100 to 111 to California without advising parentage. How do I know this? When Don Beadle checked all records in his preparation of the 1998 Bromeliad Cultivar Register he followed the lead of Brian Smith (see Manuscript of Bromeliad hybrids and cultivars, 1984) where detail had been captured from Nurserymen’s catalogues but he went further by recording which nursery was using the cultivar name AND the date. This way I was able to glean that the earliest references were coming from California! Oeser’s hybrids seem to have been grown by several Californian nurseries but whether they went to one Californian who distributed the seed to interested people, it will never be known. What is strange is that he did not apparently quote any parentage and yet he did when sending seed to Australia!

No doubt you have asked yourself what happened to the numbers between 21 and 99. Well, we do know that we have seeds numbered between 40 and 60 by Olwen Ferris in New South Wales, Australia AND he divulged that they were a cross between carolinae and a hybrid of chlorosticta. Because one was a hybrid we know you would get variability even with one seed pod! Most of those selected out as being worthy of growing on and naming had spots! To see the 6 sibling names involved refer to ‘Beefsteak’ which was what we called the grex name in the 1980’s. Alas, we do not have photos of them all. The photos of ‘Happy Thoughts’ are especially intriguing as mentioned before! I can see links between this and ‘Big Bands’ and it could well have similar if not the same parents.

From records currently held Oeser sent seed to Australia in this same period of
1. (carolinae x chlorosticta hybrid) which became ‘Beefsteak’ with 6 siblings
2. (carolinae x redleaf carolinae hybrid) which became ‘Nomad’ with 11 siblings
3. (carolinae x chlorosticta) which became ‘Dark Delight’ with 18 siblings
4. (ampullacea x chlorosticta) which became ‘Jodie’ with 7 siblings
5. (ampullacea x carolinae) which became ‘Petite’ with 3 siblings
6. (chlorosticta x ?) which became ‘Red Marble’ with NO siblings!!!

Let us now move to California where the US seed raising started and I regret to say that Peggy did not get a unique plant from the Californian Nurseryman. If it was Oeser #100 then the Californians called it ‘Michelle’. So Oeser #100 had at least two names that we know of – ‘Big Bands’ and ‘Michelle’. We do know that a plant called Oeser #100 was imported to Australia but we do not know by whom. All we do know is that in the 1980’s the Butchers got hold of a plant of this name from Queensland and because it was not like ‘Big Bands’ called it ‘Michelle’ instead! We do know that ‘Big Bands’ got to Australia in 1987 because it is in the Pinegrove Ledger but who is growing it now?!

Oh, what a tangled web we weave! Dr Richard Oeser has much to answer for. Or, did I hear a chuckle from up in that Bromeliad Heaven because even after 45 years some of his hybrids are still being grown even if we do not really know their parents! Where else did he send hybrid seed? We think that New Zealand got at least one packet because of ‘Bea Hanson’.

If this has a moral, it is that you are sure to create angst if you hybridise and let others raise the seed. Hybridising is not a game but a creation where the hybridist has responsibilities."

To see the accompanying picture go to "http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3094#3094"

All the best, Nev.
perke_patch

July 23, 2011
6:05 AM

Post #8710343

Hi all.
What a can of worms. We have bought a batch of seedlings from John and Genny Catlan which are from straight seed collected from Red Chestnut. He didn't cross these seeds at all but nature may have. We deliberately picked all the seedlings which looked so different to the parent red chestnut. These are all labelled "vrisea fosteriana cv red chestnut". I know of one other local who also bought some of the same batch of red chestnut cultivar seedlings (for $5 each) and I noticed he recently had them on ebay as red chestnut seedlings for $12. If people are buying these as red chestnut they are not because I have seen the range of differences in the seedlings. I will take some photos of these seedlings to show you all the range of patterns you can get out of one seed pod.

Nev we do have a few galactic warriors, one in flower at the moment. If anyone is growing this plant, don't discard any pups which come out without varigation. We had a couple without varigation which we decided to grow on anyway to see what they would come out like. After a period of time the new leaves in the middle started coming out with small stripes and now you can't tell which ones they are among all the young plants hanging together. So don't be too quick to discard.

Oh I noticed one of our guzmanias today with one leaf with a wide white stripe the length of the leaf. It looked quite unusual. I've never seen it before. I'll have to go look for it again tomorrow and get a photo. I bet I can't find it again though.

Jen I'm getting impatient to see the new shadehouse. If you don't give me the nod soon I'll have to sneak around for a peek while you are at work hahahaha. Just kidding... but I am dying to see the what you've done.

Oh one more word of warning ... I was told today that the tax dept is looking into regular sellers on ebay to see who is actually running a business and not declaring income. And facebook was also mentioned by the person too. I know a couple of growers up here who are shaking, so if you do sell on ebay think about keeping records to show income doesn't come near expenditure spent on your HOBBY. I know a lady who works in the tax dept. I wonder if it is ethical for me to ask her if there is an investigation like this happening. Perhaps she will not be able to divulge an answer.
Wendy
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 23, 2011
12:57 PM

Post #8710934

Hi everyone,

Wendy - To solve the Red Chestnut "can of worms" (in your case), simply label the seedlings as Vr. Fosteriana c.v. Red Chestnut x ?. This tells buyers the whole story, ie. the plants were from seed taken from Vr. fosteriana c.v. Red Chestnut which was the result of a crossing with either itself or some other unknown plant. (this could have been done by an unknown party either man, bird or insect). This won't decieve anyone as you're telling all you know of the true parentage of the seedlings

Re. your comment on Galactic Warrior pups; this is exactly what I've said about seedlings and pups all along, you don't know what you have for sure until you grow them to maturity. Unfortunately there must be thousands of good ones getting dumped on a regular basis simply because growers just don't have the space to do this, and they just select the obvious, good looking ones. Besides, there's always the chance you could get another unusual sport; after all, this is how Galactic Warrior came to be.

Look for your Guz with the stripe and put it somewhere so you won't sell it.

Now carefully read the details in "http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=AECHMEA&id=32#32"

This is the story of how John Catlan developed Ae. Aztec Gold from a pup with a single stripe. If it can work for an Aehmea why not a Guzmania? You're fortunate to be able to talk to John about this so who knows where it may all end up. Please keep us posted.

All the best, Nev.


gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 23, 2011
2:27 PM

Post #8711019

Lots of food for thought there Nev.

Wendy, there is indeed a notification on Ebay that they have had a request from the Tax Office and Centrelink for details of any seller who sold over $20 000 last year, including user name, contact details and IP address.

I'm off to do some reading on Gardenweb.

Pam

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 25, 2011
3:06 PM

Post #8714666

Hi everyone,
love all the pics everyone has put up, there are some lovely broms in among them for sure, beautiful.
I am not getting into the cans of worms, lol, it's all too advanced for me yet (blushing). I am having system overload at the moment with slowly one by one going through all my named broms and checking the spelling and details on FCBS or BSI, it's a pain staking job, but I don't have that many yet, so easier to do now and get it all sorted then to try and work it out later. I only just learned about the whole capital letter for a hybrid and loswercase for a species, and i think most of my tags will be written incorrectly, I automatically use a capital on every name. So the hybrids will be right, lol. I don't think I have that many species, so I won't have too many to change, but I still want to get it right.
oh I have a Neo Beefsteak as well, in fact I brought two pups of a lady over the other side of cairns and she told me which one was Beefsteak, and the other was a NOID, but by the time we got home up a twisty coast road, I had no idea which was which, they both look very similar to me. Both currently have no tags on them, so I must put a tag in them today while I think of it. Actually we have about 4 that all look roughly the same, it actually blows me away how many names there are for things that look so similar to what must be my 'untrained' eyes. In another forum the other day, (forgotten the name of the vriesea) but it looked like Tiger Tim to me, i would of sworn it was, but nope, it was something else. To many names I think.
As for the sales on ebay, I need not worry as yet, lol
Okay, just keeping this short, hope you are all well,
Tash
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 25, 2011
5:48 PM

Post #8715039

Wow, information overload! I should get more organized too about naming my broms while I can still do so. This one still has its tag, and it reads Blushing Tiger, now with a very nice looking pup. Should I leave the pup attached or would it do better if separated?

Karen

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springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 25, 2011
7:42 PM

Post #8715332

Hi Karen,
yeah I have Blushing Tiger too, only a recent one I got, but it's so nice. Yours has lovely colour, very nice :)
Yeah in regards to keep records, I am just using an excel spreadsheet and then saving it into 2 formats, PDF so it looks nice and I can print it out and not lose it and also as the excel spreadsheet. The reason I decided to use the spreadsheet layout is you can sort the whole spreadsheet using certain cells, so I can sort alphabetically so that it's easy to find what i have and more to the point...what I don't have, lol. So I have the names sorted alphabetically, then I save it as the PDF file and when I print it, it looks nice and I can have a copy in the brom house, a copy inside, you know...copies everywhere, lol. Mind you I only have 47 in my spreadsheet and only about 10 to go and I'm finished, lol. So as you can see, I don't have that many yet. I have a lot of other broms that have no names though. But you can also use a pencil to write the number of them you have beside the name if you wanted too. Dunno just my idea for now, might change the system as the numbers grow if it's not working well enough later on :)
Tash
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

July 26, 2011
3:02 AM

Post #8715700

hi girls, Karen, you don't need to remove the pup, but sometimes its nice to just have the one in the pot. Its personal preference I think. Also, If you remove the pup, mum might go on to produce more, faster than she would if you left it on.
Tash, I do the same as you, re-excel. I have a spreadsheet for the different genera, although I have more than one genera per sheet, except for Neoregelias, because I have such alot of them!
Sorry I haven't been on much. but I'm battling the back ache again, and the computer is the worst culprit, so I can only do a little each day, and generally its Facebook these days.
Not much going on here, just been pruning and making sure the greenwaste bin is full every week. I've been throwing out old, sick plants and any that just struggle in our climate, which has given me a bit more space for the good plants. Its a good feeling cleaning out the cupboards, so to speak.
Sue
Vriesea 'Sunset'

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perke_patch

July 26, 2011
6:10 AM

Post #8715876

Hi all
Tash I didn't know about capitals and no capitals for hybrids and species. I usually write all tags in complete capitals. I'm going to have to retrain myself. I'm trying to work out what is a speices and what is a hybrid. I would have to go through FCBS name by name and record it on my spreadsheet. I also use excel but only have one file with a worksheet for each genera. I still come across plants in the yard which I somehow missed putting on the spreadsheet. DOn't know how that happens but it does.

We went to a friends house today to see his broms. He had vrisea seed blowing everywhere. I was itching to just start collecting but then I would have had a hand full of mixed seed cause there was no way I could have kept all the different ones separated. He does sow seeds but just in foam boxes out on the ground. No heat source or even lid on top to keep the warmth in. And he wondered why they don't grow too well for him.

Must share with you all something my son said recently. He said he had lots of pups to take off but didn't have time to pot them up. I told him to put them in a pot with water in a saucer underneath so the pups would send roots out looking for the water. He came back that he had a better way to strike roots. He puts all his grass cuttings in a pile down the back. When he takes pups off he sticks them in the grass. The heat in the grass makes the roots grow quickly. He said in a week they all have roots but after 2 or 3 weeks they have a good root ball and when potted they take off straight away. We are itching to try this method but we hardly have any grass let alone a pile somewhere. Now I just thought I mowed the yard next door today and got 2 wheelie bins of grass cuttings. I might have to make a foam box of grass and try the pups in grass method. mmmmmmmm tomorrow.

I have a fosterella elata coming into flower at the moment. I love the shape of the plant BUT I haven't taken a single photo of it yet. Not sure whether to do it now or wait for the flower to open first. OK I'll take a photo tomorrow for you LOL.

Night all
Wendy

breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 26, 2011
2:14 PM

Post #8716737

love blushing tiger...i gave the parent plant to a friend and kept the pup.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 26, 2011
2:39 PM

Post #8716779

Hi everyone,

Firstly, let me say I’m sorry if I bored a lot of you with some of the “long winded” explanations I’ve posted recently, but it’s a fine balancing act between writing something for growers who are just starting out and experienced growers. If it’s too complicated it is hard for novices to understand and if it’s kept simple for novices, it bores the more experienced growers. I’m just repeating a lot of stuff from much more experienced growers than I, as I can’t shorten it without it losing the true meaning of the information. I think it gets down to the fact that “you can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time” and I promise to try and keep it short and sweet in the future and just give references for further reading if required.

Tash – Although it’s nice to have all your name tags written out correctly, don’t get your knickers in a knot if they aren’t. I reckon that the most important thing is to make sure you have a name in the first place and that it’s the right name and spelt correctly. Writing the labels according to the rules can be done any time, it’s a good inside rainy day job, and once you’ve done a few it comes automatically. With unknown plants, just give them a specific number of their own which acts as a “temporary identity”. Each time that plant is divided or a pup is removed that same number must go with it and this saves more and more unnamed plants from appearing in your collection. If at any time in the future, you are able to find out the correct name, it’s a simple matter to just change these numbers to the name. Keep a list of these numbers and when the name is found, put it on the list next to the number so that each time you pot a plant with a number you can check against the list to see if a name has been listed to change with the number. Don’t rely on committing names to memory, because one day you’ll get old like me and won’t remember them!!!!!!

Karen – Blushing Tiger is a nice little plant which will pup well and grow quickly. Removal of pups is a matter of personal choice, and it’s true if pups are removed it will give you more pups quicker as Sue says, but if you’re like me and don’t have the space to put them, this is probably not a good idea, besides a large plant in a pot really looks good anyway. With this particular plant, if you hang it high up beneath your shade cloth, it will enhance the colour greatly.

Tash – Oh if only you girls lived closer, I could give some of you a job laying out a spreadsheet for all of my plants in exchange for some pups or seedlings. How that would simplify things for me, but I’m afraid it’s out of my “computer illiterate” ability and I’ll still have to keep using typed alphabetical lists which I keep misplacing and forgetting to update anyway. On a friend’s recommendation, I even bought a specific computer programme to keep track of all my plants but find I just don’t understand how to use it, so there it sits on the desk.

Sue – I can sympathise with you about back ache, whatever you do, think very long and hard and do a lot of research before you ever decide to have spinal surgery, I wish I had! I love the pic. of your Vr. Sunset, it’s a beautiful plant and is another that will take much more light than a lot of people realise. I’ve been making green waste also, I pruned the Golden Robinea out the front yesterday and if my wife goes out today, the Tibouchina around the back cops it as well. (That’ll teach it to drop its mess all over my shade cloth)

Wendy – I’m very interested in what your son says about the lawn clippings, as theoretically it makes a lot of sense. In fact for some years now I’ve thought about making a “hot box” for striking pups and sitting it on decaying grass clippings to provide the warmth, but never seem to get around to doing it, and I’ll be very interested in what you find when you try it. I think posting pic’s of your fosterella elata in flower would be a good learning curve for some of the newer growers who have never seen fosterellas of any type and it would also be good if you included some cultural tips as well.

That’s it for now, all the best

Nev.

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 26, 2011
2:47 PM

Post #8716803

Hi everyone,
he he he, guess we all use a spreadsheet, lol. I haven't bothered splitting mine up, just put everything in the one sheet, but that means writing Neoregelia quite a few times so if I had of just done a sheet for Neos, I wouldn't need to write Neoregelia each time, just the name, doh!! Well it's done now and as I slowly get more I'll add them.
Yeah Wendy, I had to look each and every name up, but I only had 62 names to look up, lol, you would have heaps!!!!!! LOL
No doubt I have probably missed some mind you. I have tried to walk around and take a photo of all our broms and then those that have been identified or have tags, I put the names to them and put them all in an album on the computer. so each time we get a new one that has a tag, we take a photo, add it to the album with it's name on it, and then now into the spreadsheet. I usually then happen to share my newbie on facebook and if it's the wrong name I generally get told fairly quickly, lol.
Sue I hope your back starts to come right, I had a very sore back about 2 years ago and had to get it looked at which i think hurt it even more! apparnetly my back pain is caused by my bugger knee, because I limp sometimes and favour that knee alot it changes my posture and affects my back. But the point I was making is that it really was awful having a sore back, so I really do feel for you. Have you tried a back brace or support? or a kidney belt? Dunno just some ideas :)
I like your Vr 'Sunset' very nice :)
Wendy that grass cutting pile sounds excellent, I would be worried up here about them rotting as when we have had a pile it's been VERY hot and steamy in there, but ... he he he he he... I think I might try it too :) I'll try it on a not so precious pup first... pity the grass is all DEAD right now, lol, need a bit of rain to green it up then I'll try it :)
I am still waiting to see some Vriesea seeds start growing, all the Neo trays from about 6 weeks ago have nice little green shoots going on, some bigger than others, but nothing in the vrieseas yet... maybe I not going to be too good at vrieseas? or maybe they are still trying to grow???
ok best get going again, check facebook and then off to do some things :)
Have a great day everyone
Tash

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 26, 2011
3:00 PM

Post #8716839

Hi Nev, I just posted and you must of as well, so i missed commenting on what you said in my last post, so doing another one now :)
Great idea about the numbering system for NOID's, I have been meaning to do that, I did start, I have a PD1 and PD2, which means for me, it came from the Port Douglas markets, number 1 and 2, lol. But I need to walk about the yard and do that numbering on all the NOID's while my numbers aren't out of control. Oh and the memory is already failing me at my young age, god help me when I get older if I can't remember now! LOL We were walking around yesterday and then I found myself saying, where did that come from? Is that a pup of that...or ????? hmmmmmmmm gotta do them tags and keep track of pups like you said.
Hey Nev, so you have the program Microsoft office excel? If you do and you have some kind of list... you could post it to me if it's not on the computer, or email if it is, and I would be happy to do the spreadsheet for you. Not all in one week as no doubt you have heaps and heap and heapssssssssss, but whenever I have time, I will work on it for you. the offer is there. Up to you. :)
I am a quick typer, and I don't work, just hang out at home with my little man, so I have time on my hands ;)
Okay off to check facebook, talk to you all soon :)
Tash
perke_patch

July 27, 2011
3:33 AM

Post #8717904

Nev if you have microsoft excel I can send you my spreadsheet. You could enter all your plants names and fill in the cells or rename the cells to make it suit what you need.

Like Tash I consider myself a quick typist but unfortunately I'm having a lot of trouble with my fingers developing NODAL ARTHRITIS. The doctor said it is quite common in women over 50 but I'm yet to find someone who has heard of it LOL. It's reeeeeealy common. I'm being sarcastic ... women have the problem they've just never heard the term before. My fingers click now and don't want to bend or straighten these days. The other day I had the same problem with one elbow ... pain when I tried to bend it and then it clicked and bent. AHHHHHHH it sucks getting old. I rattle with glucosamine, fish oil capsules, nurofen cream and tablets. I'm sure picking up 3 or 4 pots at a time in each hand doesn't help; right????

I think we might try that grass in a foam box and see what happens. Nev Johnny tried an experiment with that last lot of seeds you sent. I bought take away trays which were split in the middle into two parts so Johnny filled one side with coir and one side with spahgnum and sowed the seeds. We are now waiting to see which ones grow first etc. Keep you posted.

Tash I would show you a photo showing three mature plants which look very alike but all with different coloured pups. BUT I took the computer to the computer doctor today and unfortunately the motherboard is fryed. The case is old so he would have to doctor the connections to fit a new motherboard and there is no guarantee it would work with other older parts. Then there would be labour. Much cheaper to have him build me a new one and he will even install the old hardrive as a piggyback one. Anyway new one is being built now. Duh just realised photos are all still on camera so I can upload from there. As I said. SUCKS GETTING OLD.
I'll post this for now so I don't lose it but will upload photos as soon as I dowload them from camera.
Wendy
perke_patch

July 27, 2011
6:34 AM

Post #8718108

These are my potty plants. These ones contain small vriseas corcovadensis, scandens and flamea and tillandsia juncea.

I have a box of the toilet brush holders coming and will release my potty plants for sale once I get those. Would you buy one if you saw them for sale????

Wendy

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perke_patch

July 27, 2011
6:36 AM

Post #8718118

and one on its own to show you. this one vr scandens

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 27, 2011
2:12 PM

Post #8719150

yeah i'd buy one, very cute.
My wild gossip...

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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 27, 2011
5:57 PM

Post #8719662

Hi everyone,
there you go Nev, you have offers all over the place, just depends if you have microsoft office with excel in it :)
Oh Wendy, that's no good about the fingers, I know on really cold mornings here that my fingers ache when I type, so I'll probably get that too when I am older, I am fairly quick at typing, as in I use all my fingers and don't have to look at the keys, but I am no where near as quick as a receptionist, lol, and I have to hit backspace quite often as I get a bit carried away sometimes, lol. Need to proof read more often ;)
Yeah when we came home in the new year after a week in prosperine, our computer died too, it was the motherboard as well, and it was only 3 years old!!! then they fixed that and the screen died, and the video card frig me!!! LOL It was a very very expensive tower 3 years ago when we brought it, top of the line as I was doing a lot of internet work on it and the old one just wasn't keeping up with me, so it still worked out cheaper to fix this one than replace it. Then our laptop died too!!! Didn't replace it. Only have the big desktop one now. I would love one of them Ipads, but hmmmm, out of my budget I'm afraid, lol.
Your potty plants are very cute wendy, he he he he, I'm sure they'll sell very well.
I keep meaning to ask, the seedlings you sent me, do you know what date they germinated? A few people have seen them and asked me how old they are and I have no idea. They are growing very well in the little brom house we built and haven't looked back since they arrived, touch wood.
I decided to try a couple of trays of sphagnum too, only as I seem to be having no luck getting my vriesea seeds to germinate, so I had a couple left over and thought I'd just try something different, however, after doing it, I read somewhere that if you use sphagnum, they will be over run with algae! Hmmmmm DOH!!!!! Oh well live and learn they say. So we'll see what happens there, again not holding my breath.
I just want to see some vriesea babies sprout!!!!
Here is a pic of another one we were given the other day, yet another NOID to the collection, it had a couple of pups hanging off it too and has past it's prime, but even if it's just one to add to the garden somewhere until it finishes pupping and rots away. Jason brings all sorts of things home that people give him and i'm not complaining. I'll take a photo of the brom house we built and add it later, I have some on facebook but we've added a little shelf outside now, so I'll take a new photo.
Tash


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springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 27, 2011
8:04 PM

Post #8719944

Here is one of the brom house we made. It's still quite empty for now, but slowly we'll fill it up :) We added a window cause we were a bit worried about air flow and it give some a bit more morning sun, and when it's windy like the other day, we close it up :) If we end up with air flow problems, we will change things as we go. I think we'll also need an additional layer over it in summer as ... as you can see, it doesn't have any trees to shade it.
It's only simple but we like it :)
Oh and you can see how dry winter has been...grass what grass???? dust bowl more like it!
Tash

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 27, 2011
11:41 PM

Post #8720278

Hi everyone,

Wendy – I like your little loos, they’re a good novelty items and should sell well. That was a good idea about the spread sheets. In fact I have a spread sheet here about something else so I’ll play around with that and see what I can learn, but don’t hold your breath.
As for the nodal arthritis, well any sort of arthritis is painful and very inconvenient to say the least and yes I have heard of it before. It usually strikes white females and usually around late middle age. It often coincides with menopause but there’s no definite connection with hormones and HRT is not usually helpful. ($10 for the consultation thanks). Don’t worry about the creaking and clicking of joints, you haven’t got that on your own, in fact sometimes when I’m down weeding and I try to stand up I think I’m gonna “snap” in two and you say old age sucks, well wait till you’re an old fart like me, you’ll creak and grown every time you move, but at least I’m “still on the right side of the grass”!

I tried the sphagnum once and found the seeds grew well but unfortunately the sphagnum grew faster, I didn’t have a problem with algae as Tash describes, just the faster growth of the sphagnum. This of course is due to the fact I used live sphagnum and I read where one grower in Hawaii uses nothing else, but she uses a dehydrated dry form that doesn’t re-grow. Apparently the dehydration process causes it to go sterile and when it’s re-hydrated it makes an excellent medium for brom seeds, but I don’t know where we can get it in Australia.

Bree – That’s a nice looking Wild Gossip you have there, looks a bit like two others I have called Predatress and Hot Gossip. Apparently the “Gossips” are both Skotak hybrids with links to Predatress and Predator and that’s probably why there is some similarity.

Tash – When I first looked at the window in your shade house I thought it was there as a counter to sell stuff from for when you get overrun with plants. Also I don’t know when you planted your Vriesea seed, but be patient as I find they’re much slower to germinate and grow than Aechmeas, Billbergias and Neoregelias.

All the best, Nev.


splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 27, 2011
11:47 PM

Post #8720284

Hi again,

I meant to post this on the previous page and forgot.

Another Blushing Tiger

All the best, Nev.

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perke_patch

July 28, 2011
2:53 AM

Post #8720365

Tash which seedlings did I send you and I will endeavour to advise when they were put down. They were grown in sphagnum too. Johnny prefers live sphagnum for seeds. I tried zapping it in the microwave and planted heiroglyphica seeds in it but alas nothing grew and the sphagnum was dead too so... I've tried some more in live sphagnum and have a few shooting so far.

I had 2 potty plants with my tillandsias in them when we had a sale just before mother's day. Everyone wanted them then and that's why I went all out trying to find some more. I now have 6 planted up and have just ordered a box of 18 but they won't be in Australia until Sept/Oct so I'm not sure whether so try out with some of the 6 now to see if they would sell before I get the box.

Tash I used to be able to take minutes of board meetings typing on a laptop. i could type as fast as they could talk. Now my fingers probably wouldn't bend the right way and I'd be hitting the wrong keys all the time. I used to think it was my coeliac disease causing the aches in the fingers. I always put it down to eating something with gluten hidden in it but no xrays showed a definate build up on the joints. My mum knitted non stop till almost the day she died so she didn't have a problem with hands. Dad doesn't either so maybe it was the milkman ?????? or worse the dunny man ... LOL.

We used to play jokes on the dunny man and the biggest joke used to be sitting on the toilet when he opened the trap door at the back. I guess we were bum flashing him. Charming weren't we? we even said we hoped he would drop the tin until the day he got caught up in the clothesline and spilt it all over himself and the yard. We had to hose him off and the yard stunk for weeks YUKKKKK. Hands up all those who remember the dunny man collecting the dunny tin.

We didn't put any windows in our shadehouse Tash. Thought I would show you what our backyard shadehouse looks like. Note the different heights of the tops.
Wendy

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brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

July 28, 2011
3:23 AM

Post #8720383

Wendy, thanks a lot for your photo. It was great timing. Never realised before that your shadehouse had different heights. I'm going to study it to for ideas and inspiration.
Jen
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 28, 2011
1:48 PM

Post #8721356

Wendy I do remember those days with the out house, and the ice deliveries every morning for the ice box (fridge). My how things have changed.

Karen
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 28, 2011
3:04 PM

Post #8721536

Hi everyone,

Wendy - I for one remember the "Dunny Man" and reading about you exploits proves you were just as devious as I was when I was a kid. We once strung a rope at ankle height across the track that went through the long grass to the dunny. Our "Dunny Man" usually came about 4.30am when it was still dark and obviously didn't see the rope. You should have heard the commotion, it woke up the whole house and every dog in the street was barking while I pretended to still be asleep and not heard anything.

I must also relate another true story about when I worked with the construction carpenters in the steelworks. We had an Italian carpenter’s labourer called Danny; Danny didn’t speak much English but he did understand the word “snake” as he was terrified of them. Where we were working at the time was a swampy area with lots of blackberry bushes and of course a few “red bellies” (red belly black snakes). On this particular day Danny went to the loo (similar to the one you mention above with the rear trap door), after a couple of minutes, one of the apprentices took a short length of steel re-enforcing rod, opened the door a little and dragged it across Danny’s bum at about the same time as one of his mates called out loudly that “a snake had gone in the dunny”. Poor Danny came out of the dunny like a bullet, with his pants around his ankles and he came out so fast that he almost knocked the old door off its hinges as he half hopped and half ran away from the “dunny”. Even to this day when I drive past that part of the steelworks I still have a bit of a chuckle as I remember what happened.

Back to bromeliads now, and I must say I love the design of your shade house, it’s so professional looking that it could be architect designed and I especially love the totem poles at the entrance. The whole thing is just so neat and tidy.

All the best, Nev.

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 28, 2011
5:09 PM

Post #8721734

Good morning everyone

ok to keep the ball rolling with the dunny stories... I have one too, he he he.
When we lived in PNG when I was younger, we were all at dad's work, a big timber yard. We were playing and mum was helping dad with paper work...she went into the loo, (a normal ol' dunny) and next minute we hear her screaming her head off. We all came running to see her burst out of the dunny ripping her knickers up, tripping over her shorts, white as a ghost screaming "snakeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" Now my mum does not easily get hysterical. So once we got her calmed down and dressed, lol, we inspected the dunny.
The snake was hugeeeee!!!! Probably as round as a 100 or 120mm pot and so long, all coiled around the base of the loo. Dad had to get a worker to help him rig up and pole with a rope through it to catch it's head and drag it out and bag it up. It was later identified as a very venomous snake, (can't remember the name now) and that mum was only extremely lucky that is was shedding it's skin otherwise it would of attacked. But the only reason it was in the dunny was cause it had seeked out a safe place to shed it's skin, otherwise it would of never been there.
Let's say going to the dunny at work was NEVER the same after that, lol. Poor mum.

ok back to broms.

Wendy, your shade house looks great, and all on concrete by the looks too, so neat and tidy, very nice. I wish we owned a home so we could do what we like and make things permanent, we have the cart before the horse I'm afraid, collecting plants before owning a home, but if we wait for the home first, it just might not ever happen. Seems so hard to buy a home now days, prices are just so out of reach. I think we'll end up with a shed on a property somewhere, someday. We are not into flash things, fancy things or mod cons, which is good, life is simple and we like it that way.
Oh the seedlings... there were two different types, one are concentrica and the others are Gee Whiz seedlings. I don't think I have them in the right mix either, as I really wasn't sure what to put them in. They seem to be doing fine though???
How much light or sun should they be getting? I just have them in my brom house, does that sound ok? Means they get alot of filtered light through the shadecloth, but I was wondering if perhaps they should be in more shade than that?
Okay thanks heaps,
Tash
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 29, 2011
12:24 AM

Post #8722397

Hi everyone,
Gee Wendy, you’ve started something now with your “dunny” story.

Tash – There’s a lot to be said about having brom’s before having to pay off a mortgage and for starters there’s more money to spend on brom’s. Besides the brom’s don’t care whether you own a home or are renting, they’ll still grow on just the same.

As for your seedlings, concentrica and Gee Whiz are both good plants and proven breeders.
Gee Whiz has 72 registered hybrids to its name and concentrica has over 500; and remember these are just the ones that have been registered and I expect there are many, many more that are not registered. So it looks like the “runs are on the board” and you have a good chance of getting something worthwhile with parents like them.

I've loaded a pic below of a concentrica cross I did about five years ago, it is of a pup from the original seedling and shows just how they can improve in shape and colour with the next generation. It's not the best one from the cross and not everyones "cup of tea" but I like the shape and the dark segments of the leaves and will probably use it in future breeding.

As for light requirements, it depends on what % the shade cloth is, but the old rule is “if they’re doing OK where they are, don’t move them. They are probably OK for now but maybe erect a bit of extra protection from the hot Queensland summer sun.

All the best, Nev.


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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 29, 2011
3:25 AM

Post #8722465

Hi everyone,

Nev your concentrica cross is lovely, I really like it, very well done... quite the hybridiser aren't you :) Love the rich colour in it.
Yeah I feel very special about the seedlings Wendy sent me, what a wonderful gift and they give me a guide as to what mine should grow up to look like, I love checking them each and every day. You know the things that amazes me at the moment with broms, the way they change their leaves in relation to light. I have one I have shared on facebook, that we got somewhere along the line, not sure if it was the dump actually, and it had such long huge strappy leaves. It reminded me exactly of an Ae blanchetiana but a different colour and different teeth. Anywho, we put it in the front garden which gets full sun all day. it's been there for a few months now, and the leaves have changed...and I mean mid way down the leaves, they have gone from being perhaps 2-3 inches wide to now at least 4 i'd say at the guess, but you can see where the leaves were skinny and now the new growth is really quite fat and shorter. It is going to completely alter the look of the plant people who have guessed to to possibly be a Neo cruenta may actually be right, I really dont' know. But it is so amazing to look at each day. The leaves are changing in such a very obvious way.
And today when I was studying the seedlings, they too have changed half way down their leaves too, now becoming much fatter since I have put them in the shade house. Really amazing to see and watch.
I always seem to find something else of interest in my broms each day :)
Tash
perke_patch

July 29, 2011
6:23 AM

Post #8722678

Tash our concentrica seedlings and gee whizz seedlings are growing in full sun on trolleys. The trolleys are on the north side of patio and actually shade our seedling houses behind them on the patio. There is just enought sun shining through them to warm the seedlings each morning and fog the houses up for the day.

Anyhow back to seedlings. Some of the concentricas are getting so big and lots of different hapes, colours and patterns happening now. We've just potted up a couple of the larger gee whizz seedlings into big 8 inch pots so they should power on now and get even bigger. Some of the gee whizz seedlings are only small but a couple of them got the big gee whizz size. I will have to take a photo of the gee whizz seedlings though. I haven't taken any yet.

This is a photo of some of the bigger concentrica seedlings taken a month or so ago I think. I think I took this to show the range of size, shape and colours in some of them.

Wendy

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 29, 2011
1:16 PM

Post #8723538

Hi everyone.

Colleen - Have you found that Gee Whiz is proving to be dominant and the majority of seedlings turning out to be large plants?

I have some tiiny Gee Whiz x Rosea Striata seedling which I'm hoping to get some large radial reds from and I also have another cross of Rosy Morn with Gee Whiz, so hopefully they should all be large plants, but then Mother Nature may have other ideas.

Now that our weather has settled down, I'll get some seedlings off to you Monday or Tuesday.

All the best, Nev.

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

July 29, 2011
1:51 PM

Post #8723614

Hi everyone,
wow Wendy are those seedlings from the same batch as mine? Same age??? Mine are no where near that size. They are growing nicely and now that they are in the shade house and the leaves are fattening up. When you say yours are in full sun... is that fun sun all day? So do you know how old mine are, I am shocked at your photos if they are the same age as mine, as mine are still so much smaller and younger looking. they have changed since I have had them, I've had them just over a month I think... surely it's been longer than that?? I had to go look, about a month and a half I've had them for. A couple of them are starting to change colour a bit, I love watching their little changes. Thanks for showing me your pic.
I'd love to see some photos of your too Nev, how full is your nursery and kindy? LOL How do they go over the cold months?
Okay best keep moving,
Tash
perke_patch

July 30, 2011
1:52 AM

Post #8724700

Hi Tash. Yes those are the same seed batch as yours. However these are some of the first ones potted up from the seedling trays and yours were probably some of the last ones. I think the seeds just keep germinating in the trays over a long period. Even after you pot some up they have a dormant seed attached to the root ball and you sometimes get an extra seedling growing in the pots after a period of time. I will take a photo of some of the very biggest ones and post it.

Nev the gee whizz seedlings are getting quite big. We actaully gave up on potting them after a while and gave what was left in the tray to someone else to pot up so haven't kept too many of them becasue we thought we would be pressed for room to raise them.

Yesterday the mailman brought me a beautiful surprise. sue had send me a batch of seed which I wasn't expecting. Wow I was so excited. I potted up the hieroglyphica x fenestralis, heiroglyphica x platynema variegata, and platynema variegata today. I have to find some more trays to pot up the other two tomorrow.
Pic is my neo freddie which is starting to flush with colour. I have this and Kathleen (aka golden king) which is the opposite of freddie side by side. one is albomarginated and the other is variegated. They look nice flushing together but they rarely crack it at the same time.

Wendy

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perke_patch

July 30, 2011
1:55 AM

Post #8724703

I forgot to say Nev your gee whizz crosses sound very nice. some pics of their progress would be nice. Apparently we have a black beauty x gee whizz cause i found a photo of it. Can't really see the gee whizz or black beauty in this pic. I'll have to look into it and find the plant.

Wendy

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

July 30, 2011
2:14 PM

Post #8725712

hi all, Wendie, I'm glad you got the seed. Don't get too excited about the heiroglyphica crosses, because its very hard to cross pollinate them when the heiroglyphica has so much pollen, and its stigma actually rests on the anthers, so the might possibly be straight heiroglyphica.
Thanks for all the concern about my back. It is feeling alot better, and I've been having fresh ginger tea (chopped ginger root from the garden, stepped in boiling water in the coffee plunger) and sliced, fresh pibneapple, both known to be anti-inflammatory. Seems to be working better than the prescription anti-inflammatories. I think bromeliad fruit has something in it also. I might just eat the ripe aechmea berries now and then! he he.
Re-the grass clippings. They get hot enough to start fires, I've seen it! I think I would be placing the pups in a pot of soil and sinking it into the clippings and then the potting job has been done already also, and theres minimal chance of burning/rotting.
Nice pics and lots of reading too, so I really should try and get back here a bit more often shouldn't I.
ANyway, I'm going to the markets in town this mornign for a look, but not expecting to find anything in particular.
Sue
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

July 30, 2011
2:48 PM

Post #8725774

Hi everyone,

Tash – I’ll try and get a pic of all the seedlings in the “Kindergarten” and the “Primary School” today and post it. I’m afraid everything’s in a big mess at present with seedlings and plants all over the place waiting to be potted. Since I’ve been crook and the weather’s been terrible I’ve just got way behind with all the outside jobs, and I sometimes wonder if I’ll ever catch up with all the potting. Besides it looks like I have a heap of "homework" to do today as well, ha! Ha!

Wendy – As I said, my Gee Whiz crosses are tiny, and at this stage are still in the containers and barely 2mm high, so hardy worth a pic, but I’ll see if I can find them and take one anyway.

I like the fine spotting on your Black Beauty x Gee Whiz. Is it a big plant? It seems to have nice wide leaves which is a good feature of Gee Whiz. Do you have a pup of this one for swapping?

Wendy, you said “can't really see the Gee Whizz or Black Beauty in this pic” and neither could I (except what looks like wide leaves). However when I looked at the pictures of the parents in the Cultivar Register i.e. Black Beauty in particular, I found where the spotting comes from; it’s a throw-back to the colour of one of its parents,‘Black Beauty’. This is a c.v. of Neo ampullacea which is a mini species and is heavily banded and spotted. Being a species, it is stronger genetically and quite often dominant, hence the spotting, on your plant, and it may also have used its dominance to pull down the size a bit as well.
It often happens with hybrids where they “throw back” to a plant in a previous generation and this is why growing hybrids is so interesting, you never know what you’re going to get and it’s a bit like a lottery.

I’m attaching a pic of my Neo ampullacea, and if you look carefully at the top side of the leaves you will see the spotting that in this case was transmitted. The pic of the parent, 'Black Beauty' or to give it its full name, ampullaceal ‘Black Beauty’, is in the Cultivar Register http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3179#3179 . This is a darker form than the one in my pic and has even more pronounced spotting on the top side of the leaves.

I know a lot of us find this reasearch boring, but I know that some of us also find it interesting and it is also very handy knowledge for anyone who is hybridizing as it can give you more of an idea of the results you will get from some of your crosses.

Hi Sue, glad to see you back again; your recipe for the home-made treatment for inflamation sound great, I must get the exact details from you so I can give it a go, as nothing else seems to work.

All the best, Nev.


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perke_patch

July 31, 2011
4:15 AM

Post #8726823

Sue I use fish oil capsules as I was told by an arthritis doctor (can't remember his correct title at the moment ... must be a senior moment) that fish oil is a natural anti-inflammatory. I now use 2000mg capsules and find 2 of them a day on top of the glaucosamine seems to help.

We had such a busy weekend that my back is killing me tonight. Got some lovely seedlings from John and Genny Catlan though so we are happy. Got some potting to do tomorrow now though. I got some for Jen as well and she picked them up late this afternoon.

I checked FCBS last night to see what the fosterella flowers look like. I didn't know there were so many different fosterellas. Anyhow Jen and I now have elata and spectabilis with flowers developing. I picked a spectabilis for Jen with 2 plants in the pot and both have flower stems developing. I grabbed a couple of pots for me 1 with 4 plants in it so i can split that one up when potting. I grabbed about a dozen alc cv hell fire good sized seedlings so will pot up and give them a couple of months to grow and they should be a good size to sell around Christmas time. We grabbed a tray of vr siedeliana cv big blue (12 I think in the tray). Wow a year of growing and we will have some lovely plants to sell. Just have to get Johnny to let them go. He would rather give up his teeth before letting his vriseas go... just ask Jen.

Wendy

PS if any of you have purchased vr John's favourite aka vr dad's favourite it is now registered and new name is vr honolulu beauty. here is a pic of our big mother plant.

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gardengal
se qld
Australia

July 31, 2011
2:12 PM

Post #8727921

Horse liniment!

Those of you with arthritic bits and pieces might like to consider going to the produce store and getting some Rapigel. I first heard of it being used for arthritic hands by a woman I overheard telling someone about her results with it, so of course I had to ask for details. lol Her hands at that time looked perfectly normal, but they'd apparently been quite scrunched up with arthritis before she'd gotten onto the rapigel.

So I went off to the produce store to get some and the sales person there informed me that they sell more of it for humans than for horses. I've suggested it to a few peope now who all have had good results from it.

Pam
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

July 31, 2011
2:54 PM

Post #8728020

I hate sounding dumb, but I have to ask, are tillandsias illegal to import? I am seeing such fabulous ones from the US, and it is the hybrids that are so intriguing. I doubt if we can get them here.

Karen

breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 31, 2011
5:23 PM

Post #8728338

think you can but you need a permit sort of thing which costs a fair bit i think. Im sure someone else will know more than me. I was looking into importing some orchids but they'd cost more than there worth to me. I'd want to want it really bad and couldn't get it here to bother. I i didn't bother. but i think if you knew someone who had that permit to import that type of plant then they could for you, and i think you need a permit for each type of plant. Hope this makes sense. hehe!

breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

July 31, 2011
7:38 PM

Post #8728610

my chestnut x (can't read the tag anymore). Time for a August thread...

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

August 1, 2011
1:01 AM

Post #8728924

too right, Bree, whos up for the challenge? And don't forget the picture!
Bree, probably Vriesea 'Red chestnut' and it looks gorgeous.
Honolulu beauty is a good name for that plant Wendy, although i 'Think' it was hybridised in Australia by John Buchanan? He used to operate from Wardell, but I guess, Wardell beauty doesn't sound as exotic? Its a lovely big plant, and I know, much better in real life!
Karen, Brees spot on about the import permit and expense, aswell as not many of the plants survive, due to the quarantine measures, such as spraying with methyl bromide. You also need to have somewhere to house them during quarantine and have inspectors check them, blah, blah blah. But, people like 'The Olive Branch' do import plants, so if you are really keen, they would be the people to ask about it. I'm sure there are other brom/till importers out there too, but thats just one off the top of my head.
Nev, just slice some fresh ginger root into a coffee plunger, top with boiling water, steep for 5 minutes then have yourself a mugful. You can add honey, but I like it straight. Have it as strong or as weak as you like, and you can always add more hot water to the plunger to freshen it up for another cup. As for the pineapple, just keep some fresh, cut slices in the fridge and graze on it a couple of times a day (also good for those with a sweet tooth, as its much healthier than biscuits and cakes) I've tried the glaucosamine, dolomite, and fish/flax oil tabs, but have trouble getting into a routine taking them. Pam, I've been using rapid gel for a couple of years, only when the pian is bad, as I have heard some negative remarks about it, so figure if I only use it sparingly I might not do too much damage if the rumours are true. i follow up a smear of rapid gle with a heated wheat pack, great for when you sit at the computer!
I didn't find anything too exciting at the local markets on the weekend. Ther is one seller with her own, grown plants, but she doesn't have anything I don't already, and the other brom sellers are mostly selling reject wholesale nursery stock, for half the price of Bunnings or Big W. Nice for an indoor plant or a shady spot in the garden, but I really don't need anymore.
This one is blooming at the moment. Aechmea weilbachii. Has anyone seen the pundulous form? i think you have it, don't you Wendy?
Sue

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brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

August 1, 2011
1:30 AM

Post #8728934

Hi all. Sue I've got the pendular form. Here's a photo from last year and it's got 2 flowers this year. Plenty of pups coming if anybody wants to swap something. You've certainly got plenty of advice for your sore back so here's hoping something helps.
Thanks to Wendy I scored some lovely new Fosterellas from Catlans yesterday at great prices. I didn't know anything about Fosterellas but the flowers look dainty. If you ever get to Brisbane, Catlans are well worth a visit, great plants at very reasonable prices and a wealth of knowledge that they are happy to share. Wendy and I are planning a brom crawl up the north coast over the Exhibition long weekend so watch this space for our bargains. Bromagic might have to be on the visit list. Jen

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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

August 1, 2011
3:50 AM

Post #8729010

Hi everyone,
yeah it is time for the new thread isn't it... I'll try again this month and I'll remember the photo this time, lol. I'll do it now.
Here is the link for the new thread
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1203756/
Tash :)
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

August 1, 2011
2:13 PM

Post #8730156

Hi everyone,

On last month's page we were discussing Ae weilbachii, so I thought I would show you a pic of this plant which belonged to Dick Jamieson, a late member of our Bromeliad Society. Dick told us he didn't do anything special to the plant, however, what a result he achieved.

All the best, Nev.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

August 3, 2011
2:24 AM

Post #8733636

beaut pic Nev! I'm going to head over to the new thread, see you there.
NoraP1017
Cypress, CA

August 5, 2011
6:00 PM

Post #8739258

My neighbor gave me 7 plants. Said to keep in the shade. Blooms got burned a little so I moved them and have not yet planted. Can they have any sun at all?
Do they have a special potting soil or fertilizer they need?
Thank you,

NoraS.
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

August 5, 2011
11:51 PM

Post #8739664

Hi Nora, some bromeliads can have sun, depending on the genus, but generally, green leaved plants probably need a bit more shade, and the only sun they would cope with, would be early morning sun up till about 10am. Once the blooms have finished, if you cut them off, the plant will then produce little plants from the base, or between the leaves at the base, (these are commonly called 'Pups') the original flowering plant will begin to decline, but the pups will rapidly grow up around it and go on the flower and produce pups of their own, forming a good clump given time.
Bromeliads usually like a free draining soil, like an orchid mix of bark e.t.c. This is because they don't like to sit in water, and will rot at the base if too wet during cool weather.
To water them, just pour a little down the funnel shaped centre, and in warm weather, also moisten the soil. You can give them liquid fertiliser at about half strength to encourage more leaf growth, or pup production, but generally bromeliads thrive on neglect.
Anyway, this thread is almost finished, so if you scroll back up to Springers post and click on the link, that will take you tp the August bromeliad thread. Come over and have a look at all the nice pics everyone posts, and don't be afraid to jump in and ask questions.
Sue

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