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LeawoodGardener

LeawoodGardener
Leawood, KS
(Zone 5b)

July 14, 2011
9:35 AM

Post #8691915

Last summer my water garden got overgrown. The "Colorado" water lilies were beautiful, but out of control and the pump died, so I decided to completely rebuild the garden this spring.

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LeawoodGardener
Leawood, KS
(Zone 5b)

July 14, 2011
9:41 AM

Post #8691927

With all of the usual spring tasks in my garden, the water garden project languished. Finally, about a month ago, I got into the pond, took out all of the water lilies, drained the pond and started working on the 'new' pond.

I put in a new liner, added grey limestone 'walls' and found an antique farm grindstone to use as a feature in the middle of the pond. The project was finally ready to add water last weekend. Here is the pond, sans water lilies. I wanted to be sure everything was working right before I added the water lilies (they are in the black tubs, to the right in the picture).

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LeawoodGardener
Leawood, KS
(Zone 5b)

July 14, 2011
9:45 AM

Post #8691932

I've decided I'm going to divide and re-pot the water lilies before I plant them, but we're scheduled to leave on vacation this afternoon, so it will have to wait until I return in 10 days. As I was doing a little last minute watering this morning, I discovered one of the plants, sitting in muck and mud and an inch of water in the black tubs, had bloomed. I call that one persistent plant!

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

July 14, 2011
9:54 AM

Post #8691942

I like your pond redo. And that lily is amazing. wish the ones in my pond would do even a bit as well.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

July 14, 2011
10:45 AM

Post #8692039

Gorgeous pond. Very nice work.
mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

August 28, 2011
7:20 AM

Post #8780869

My koi destroy my plants so badly that I hardly get to enjoy them. Nice to enjoy yours-tell me how you grow them like that??????? What's your secret?
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 28, 2011
10:08 AM

Post #8781166

Linda

what type of media are your plants potted in?

mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
1:24 AM

Post #8782357

some in kitty litter clay, some in rocks. Why-what do you have yours in Carolyn?

Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
4:54 AM

Post #8782517

Linda

My understanding is the koi are after the clay in the litter. Have you tried putting egg rock over the top of the clay or planting your waterlilies in pea gravel? The egg rock should be too heavy for the koi to pick up.

I use pea gravel with the egg rock over the top of the pea gravel so that the pea gravel stays in the pots and doesn't end up in my filters - do the koi go after the waterlilies you have planted in the rocks?

Carolyn

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Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
8:38 AM

Post #8782935

If the koi are after the clay, and it is good for them, should we provide a source of clay for them?
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
8:51 AM

Post #8782958

Mary

You can buy koi clay to be added to your pond. I know when I have added it, the koi have swum right into it. http://www.koiclay.com/

Koi clay is supposed to add all those trace mineral they don't get otherwise.

Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
10:13 AM

Post #8783080

I may try that next year. I am ordering a bunch of antibiotics, natural ones, to retreat the pond prior to winter. Water is 59F so have to add it fast. I started a new thread "Fall and Winter" in the Water Garden forum. Thought it might be interesting to compare shutdowns, methods and timing, across country like we do flowers blossoming. I expect a reversal of the pattern with me shutting down earlier than most others.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
10:52 AM

Post #8783165

Poor thing - you just started up. Isn't Joy's area colder than yours?

Joy - when do you typically shut down your pond?
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
11:30 AM

Post #8783223

No I d'in't...I have had a whopping five months. And at least two more to go, or so... Not poor me, but poor fish...they sleep half their lives away
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
11:36 AM

Post #8783234

That's good - It seems like you just started up. Must be we are having too much fun if time is flying :-)
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
11:44 AM

Post #8783252

It's all the good company, sharing, and of course the topic -- our wonderful ponds and fish!
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 29, 2011
5:56 PM

Post #8783826

I have a small waste paper can with a lid that I keep my fish food in. I dump a cup or 2 of metemormilite clay ( I know I messed up the spelling on that one!) into the feed and shake the whole thing until mixed. The oils in the food stick the clay to it. Clay keeps the colors of your koi bright and clear, as well as helping them get nutrients/minerals they don't usually get in a contained pond situation, and helps them fight off diseases too. It's a win/win. :)
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 29, 2011
5:58 PM

Post #8783830

montmorillonite - whew...now I can sleep tonight without stressing...
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

August 29, 2011
7:06 PM

Post #8784006

I will have to find some for next year. thanks.
Mary
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 29, 2011
7:38 PM

Post #8784089

Ebay...a great source, and half the price... :)
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

August 30, 2011
8:54 AM

Post #8784931

Yes, I looked there. If they are willing to do USPS NOT UPS, the price is fine. I order from The Microbelab store and they ship USPS and they do have the clay. I looked around and found that some people even sell it for human consumption, as well as all sorts of critters like dogs, cats, horses, etc.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 30, 2011
10:03 AM

Post #8785033

I know my fish became much healthier when I starting using it a few years back, and my water quality and clarity was excellent too! I usually don't go with a name brand, just a cheap supplier who sends so many pounds in a trash bag and then boxes it for shipment. The fishes colors are more vibrant because they get the missing trace elements not normally found in their food.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

August 30, 2011
10:38 AM

Post #8785079

My water is crystal clear though with a greenish tint. And I have problems with a very thin veil of something on the surface. It is still very clear to the bottom and is just irritating to see. I can clear the surface with the hose spraying toward the skimmer, but it always comes back in an hour or so.

Debijaynes

Debijaynes
Marco Island, FL
(Zone 10b)

September 2, 2011
4:33 AM

Post #8789785

My koi have eaten their way thru 2 lovely lilies-- this is wonderful to hear! Is it only for northern ponds or can we use this in South FLorida? I'm going to call my pond man NOW!
Thanks!
Debi

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Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

September 2, 2011
5:41 AM

Post #8789851

Debi

I don't see why you cannot use it. MerryMary uses it and she has ponds in Florida.

MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

September 3, 2011
5:16 AM

Post #8791163

I use it quite often...it's not a chemical, it's a natural mineral compound. They use it when building natural enviroment ponds as a liner, because in massive quantities, it becomes clay like when wet. It seals the ponds so you don't lose water. I have a pond with a liner, so I don't have that problem, but as an additive to the food or water, it will clear the water, make your koi's colors brighter, and keeps them healthier. It replaces missing nutrients they don't get from fish food alone.

Debijaynes

Debijaynes
Marco Island, FL
(Zone 10b)

September 3, 2011
5:27 AM

Post #8791187

I have a call in to the Nursery that I use for the fish etc. They had not heard of it, so the " koi Expert" will be calling me back. I would LOVE to have lilies and hope this works!

Debijaynes

Debijaynes
Marco Island, FL
(Zone 10b)

September 3, 2011
11:36 AM

Post #8791601

Nursery said to give the fish some vegetables (mixed, or fresh, lite salt or rinse) and that will keep them from the lilies and lotuses! I'll try anything! A handful 2 or 3 times a week should work he said.
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

September 3, 2011
11:38 AM

Post #8791607

I heard they liked fresh peas. I figured the larger fish could handle them but them would slurp them down then spit them out. Maybe they just need to get used to them. Haven't tried broccoli flowerets or spinach bunches yet.
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

September 3, 2011
3:36 PM

Post #8791850

You can use the frozen peas too (defrosted) and the devour them! I stay away from any canned veggies. I've seen people float slices of watermelon, but haven't tried it.

Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 5b)

September 3, 2011
4:08 PM

Post #8791866

It's a little late in our season for that. I will be switching to wheatgerm food pretty soon due to water temp. I will bear it in mind for next year. Thanks

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