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Jox
Jamestown, CA

July 26, 2011
1:43 PM

Post #8716669

A swirl of brown,grey,green... will the wee beasties make cocoons and become the colorful butterfly koi we're hoping for? Cuz they ain't much to look at now! One goldfish, at least 5 koi. Fishlets about 2", no barbels in sight. A handful of black like some of the koi. But no gold. No orange. Any sorting tips? Thanks!
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

July 27, 2011
5:29 AM

Post #8718009

Jox

wondering if the koi are big enough to see barbels. You may have goldfish or a cross. 2" is still pretty small.
Jox
Jamestown, CA

July 29, 2011
2:07 PM

Post #8723654

Thanks Carolyn22. That could be. I'm pretty sure I saw barbels on one of 'em, anyway. And one multicolored (how do you say "Calico" in Japanese?) Could we have a rare strain of green butterfly? ( That makes good sense,don't cha think, given it's our first accidental brood and all...)
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

July 29, 2011
5:56 PM

Post #8724082

Jox

there are green koi...
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 5, 2011
5:08 AM

Post #8738178

Probably 75% of koi fry are clunkers...It depends on what you started out with as parents as well. Many goldfish start as brown, and then color up as they develop. If they are koi, you should be able to start to see color markings if they are already 2 inches big.
Calico koi have a few different names, depending on what coloring is making up the calico. They can be Sanke or showa or kujaku. You'll know more as they head into the 3-4 inch range. :)
Jox
Jamestown, CA

August 5, 2011
11:46 AM

Post #8738819

Thank you! I've never seen green koi - likely they are considered undesirable, but I like 'em - in small doses. I'm beginning to think goldfish though for the most part. "Time will out"
MerryMary
Ocoee (W. Orlando), FL
(Zone 9b)

August 5, 2011
3:20 PM

Post #8739036

The green is a smudged combo of yellow and black, over the non-colored brown...But a few of my greener browns ended up looking like something else as time marched on. Give them some time and see what shows up!
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 7, 2011
7:17 PM

Post #8743260

Definitely give them time to see what you have.

There are green koi - check out Midorigoi - they are rare. I have not ever seen one, but would like to.
Jox
Jamestown, CA

August 15, 2011
9:02 AM

Post #8757557

Ha! Some definite barbels! And some fins turning gold! Odds are that mama is a very long-tailed orange goldfish, papa is a very long-tailed black koi. One source I read said the mix won't be able to reproduce. Any experience there?
If I would like to do this again (on purpose) to try to get butterflies w/ longer and longer tails and fins is there an especially good book or source of info that you would recommend? Gratz
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 4b)

August 15, 2011
9:19 AM

Post #8757602

I wish my baby fish was a koi but I think it is just a gold fish. Still too small to tell. How big is your's Jox.
mothermole
Deer Park, IL
(Zone 5b)

August 28, 2011
7:19 AM

Post #8780867

Gosh my fish changed color so much the first year of life I would hardly "bet" on the outcome of their final colors. I do know if there is a lot of black spots as two inchers that they will have too much sumi and look like a spotted leopard (my sons loves that so it's not undesirable to us . . .).


Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 4b)

August 28, 2011
8:57 AM

Post #8781039

My biggest koi lookes more like a -- crumb. I hate it when words illude me. It's a fish that swims with koi a lot, usually multicolored and well, like a leopard, but with some red and orange thrown in. I know the word will come to me the minute I hit send.
Carolyn22
Athens, PA
(Zone 5b)

August 28, 2011
10:06 AM

Post #8781165

Mary

did you think of the word - now you have me wondering what you were referring to...
Oberon46
(Mary) Anchorage, AK
(Zone 4b)

August 28, 2011
12:30 PM

Post #8781418

LOL, shebunkin. Now it just pops into mind, but couldn't for the life of me think of it before. CRS in spaces.

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