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Hurstwood
Burnley
United Kingdom

August 1, 2011
12:40 PM

Post #8729934

A very kind member here (I won't mention her name in case she dosen't want me too) sent me some Arborea seeds from Australia last year and it has taken me 8 long months to get them to bloom, but it was worth the wait.
Not sure yet whether its self-fertile because these are the first blooms.
It has pure white blooms and almost all the corolla tube is still covered.
Do you like her?
Thank you S :-)

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bettydee
La Grange, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 1, 2011
7:02 PM

Post #8730896

Wow! What a difference between the two. Do all the arboreas in Australia look like this one? What's the history behind the Australian arboreas? What complicates matters for me is the lack of a good series of photos of what a "wild" B. arborea looks like. A few years ago, I received arborea seeds from another fellow DGer. Those seeds came from an arborea that self pollinated and it's ancestry could be traced back to an arborea owned by TSH. Unfortunately, grasshoppers put on their menu the arborea seedlings I was growing out that year two years in a row and I was too embarrassed to ask for more seeds.

Sometime in the past, while looking for information on B. arborea, I came across several photos and references to B arborea but the name had a letter added to the name. Then there is 'Ida ', ''Engelsglöckchen''. I still don't have things clear in my mind. Are all these slight genetic variations of B. arborea or are they true hybrids? Do they self pollinate? Do the Australian arboreas exhibit more heat tolerance? Maybe your seed sender has more information.

Hurstwood
Burnley
United Kingdom

August 1, 2011
11:41 PM

Post #8731409

Hi Veronica
She is a member here at Dave's so hopefully she will jump in.
I have a few 'different' Arborea.
Arborea 'S' which is a non self fertile hybrid from Stybrig (?)
Arborea 'T' which is a wildform self fertile
Arborea Ida x which is a self fertile cross fom Arborea Ida
Arborea 'Euro' is self fertile but I have no history for
Engelsglockchen which is a on self fertile hybrid
and now the Australian Arborea.
I like Arborea's LOL
bettydee
La Grange, TX
(Zone 8b)

August 2, 2011
9:50 AM

Post #8731985

I like them too. I wish I had know about them when I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, but then my gardening consisted mostly of edibles. I would have been able to grow them in that climate. I have an 'Ida' which I bought from JT Sessions a few years ago. Poor thing has struggled to stay alive in our summer heat. I had it earlier this year, but since I re-injured my back in November, I've had some inconsistent help tending my plants. To make matters worse for my poor Brugs we are in what may become the worst drought ever since Texans started keeping records. I've lost some Brugs this year. After I fully recover from back surgery, I'll be able to look at the growing pile of labels to see if 'Ida' is among them. Sometimes I wish I had an air conditioned greenhouse. My DH would have a heart attack at the idea. LOL

The source to which you are referring must be the Stribling Arboretum in San Francisco. Who is the other parent in the two hybrids you mentioned?
Hurstwood
Burnley
United Kingdom

August 2, 2011
10:22 AM

Post #8732042

Yes, that's the place-Stribling Arboretum in San Francisco
Sorry, I don't know / its never been released what the parentage is of the others!
Hope you recover quickly and Ida is sat there waiting for your TLC :-)

chrissy100

chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

August 3, 2011
8:31 PM

Post #8735675

Hi Alan ...I don't know who sent you the Australian seeds but they are likely from the seeds grown from my seedling Arboreas ID ed (seeds supplied) by Alistair Hay as the true species Arborea, So they are likely (if they came from any of the Australian friends on our Brug thread ) to be the true species Arborea.
When mine bloom the Calyx is usually very long (I call it the green sleeves look) it is self fertile. They spot blooms most of the year except in the heat of Summer over 30C . If they are slow to bloom they are in too much shade. The ones in a lot of shade are slower to bloom , the one getting a fair bit of sun bloomed quite quickly ...6/8 months. Good drainage is essential. Yours look wonderful. Since those seeds you have went through ...I am happy to send you some of my next lot of seeds.I would have before but I thought we were not allowed to.
This poor little darling has been blown about in the Winter wind but you can see the full face.

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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

August 3, 2011
8:33 PM

Post #8735682

here are

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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

August 3, 2011
8:35 PM

Post #8735690

another shot or two for you to compare

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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

August 3, 2011
8:38 PM

Post #8735700

and

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chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

August 3, 2011
8:41 PM

Post #8735705

Last one for now if you want any of the older shots let me know .

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Hurstwood
Burnley
United Kingdom

August 4, 2011
12:51 PM

Post #8736833

Hi Chrissy
Thank You for posting the picture's for me to compare, I'm sure it's the same one.
Thank You also for the offer of seeds but hopefully I'll have my own in about 4 months.
I'll PM you about how sent the seeds.

Seachanger

Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia

August 6, 2011
10:00 PM

Post #8741172

Hurstwood wrote:Hi Veronica
She is a member here at Dave's so hopefully she will jump in.
I have a few 'different' Arborea.
Arborea 'S' which is a non self fertile hybrid from Stybrig (?)
Arborea 'T' which is a wildform self fertile
Arborea Ida x which is a self fertile cross fom Arborea Ida
Arborea 'Euro' is self fertile but I have no history for
Engelsglockchen which is a on self fertile hybrid
and now the Australian Arborea.
I like Arborea's LOL


I thought that there was only 2...Arborea 'S' and whatever the Aussie one is... I will have to find pics of the others now...back to the books...
Lovely pics of yours Chrissy...

Seachanger

Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia

August 6, 2011
10:37 PM

Post #8741188

Found the comparison pics and I liked the Arborea 'T'...
The other photos that I have looked at seem to be very similar..

Alan as a grower of the ones you do have, is there a significant difference between them?

Chrissy has Alistair mentioned a history on the Aussie one?
Maybe it's in his book...

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Hurstwood
Burnley
United Kingdom

August 8, 2011
11:33 AM

Post #8744480

Hi Dianne

There is not a lot of difference between them, length of tendrils,recurve of bloom,shade of green of the foilage,etc.
Engelsglockchen has a different fragrance, still heady and sweet but different.

Has Alistair finished his book?

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chrissy100

chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

August 8, 2011
3:03 PM

Post #8744963

Dianne, Alistair gave a history of it in BGI.
He obtained his plant from Herbalistics I think it was.
He said it was identical to the wild ones he had seen in his travels and when it produced seeds (self pollinated) it confirmed the Id in his opinion.

Alan Alistair says the book hopefully will be out in time for Christmas.

Seachanger

Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia

August 8, 2011
3:14 PM

Post #8744987

Alan, you have too many women in your life, this is Dianne...lol
I forgot that my name isn't on the bottom of the post.
Thanks for that info...
I am developing an interest in all the cold groups now...

As far as I know, Alistair's book is at the publishers...he told us he was choosing the photos to include in the book at that stage and that was a couple of months ago.

Thanks Chrissy...I will have a look at it...can't wait until mine grow, the perfume sounds lovely.



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Hurstwood
Burnley
United Kingdom

August 9, 2011
12:18 AM

Post #8745902

Sorry Dianne, I have edited my mistake above !
Glad the Sphaero's are getting a hold of you, I love them.
I have had 3 blooms on the 'Aussie Arborea' and they have all fallen off, no seedpod!
Already having doubts on whether its self fertile?
Alistairs book will make a great Christmas present :-)

Seachanger

Seachanger
Clifton Springs
Australia

August 9, 2011
1:05 AM

Post #8745939

Chrissy gave us all Arborea seeds from her's, Alan...so we know that one is self fertile.
If the one that you have isn't, then that will suit you even better as you said.

Last year you were looking for Rothkirch and you did obtain one...
How is it growing?

Alistair's book will be a great read, he has written it in conjunction with Monika Gottschalk as I remember, so we will be getting 2 experts for the price of one.

chrissy100

chrissy100
Sydney
Australia

August 9, 2011
4:26 AM

Post #8746017

I would just note that mine set plentiful pods but in cooler temperatures.
Perhaps it is a bit warm.
It's also possible they are not my seeds,
They may have been purchased I suppose, they look awfully like mine though, best of luck with them.

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