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I do not know if this is the right forum to handle my question: I have had bad luck with the Blue Lake pole bean seeds I have bought from Park Seed in recent years. Previously the beans were true but about seven years ago I realized that I had another, and inferior, bean growing on my trellis of Blue Lake pole beans. I reported this to Park and they acknowledged that a "rogue" bean was in that years pole beans. Unfortunately this had happened again this year. Aany who grows pole beans is aware that it is at least two months before you realize that you have a worthless bean among the ones you like.
I hope that there is someone in this group who has had experience growing Blue Lake on poles and can recommend a more reliable seed supplier. Anticipating your answer.
Planted a 50' double row consisting of Rattlesnake and Blue Lake pole beans and Florida Speckled butterbeans last year. Rattlesnake were of outstanding taste and fair, but short life vines, 7-8 ft. tall. Blue Lake produded 12-14 ft. vines, outgrowing my canes, grew all season, but produced very few beans. Speckled butterbeans were about the same growth habit with only one picking in mid November (yes, Nov in N. AL) Will not try either of the later again.
bill-ho, why all the bad luck with your pole beans? I planted pole beans too, & they made plenty of vines, lots of flowers, but few beans. I'm thinking the squirrels ate all the tiny beans & flowers. I had fencing around to keep rabbits out, but the squirrels might have climbed into & over the fencing. If its not the voles eating my potatoes, its the squirrels.
behillman wrote:bill-ho, why all the bad luck with your pole beans? I planted pole beans too, & they made plenty of vines, lots of flowers, but few beans. I'm thinking the squirrels ate all the tiny beans & flowers. I had fencing around to keep rabbits out, but the squirrels might have climbed into & over the fencing. If its not the voles eating my potatoes, its the squirrels.
Haven't heard of squirrels eating beans -- my Blue Lake had few blooms, just vines and foliage. Will plant the Rattlesnake and Fortex this spring.
Sounds like you guys need to get an almanc and check out the best planting days. I learned the hard way not to plant on bloom days. I thought it was just a bunch of old timer talk until I planted my butter beans on bloom day one year and watched them bloom until I cut them down in November.
Interesting Jim. I had a couple of older moon planters in my younger days, tell about the dangers of planting butterbeans "When the old Lady was holding the bloom" thier expression for bloom days. For the next several years I managed to plant on the dates specified and every time got much better production than they did. I have had the experience of continuous bloom drop on limas from time to time. But it did not coincide with bloom days. Hot and dry at first set seems more of a factor.
I go by the Old Farmer's Almanac in regards to planting guides. The first thing I thought of when you all were saying you had poor flower set was too hot temps at night. I my area that was a problem last year. And just maybe too much nitrogen. I have much better luck with the Italian flat green beans when the night temps start to rise.
It very well might be an old wifes tale but you never no. We do know that the moon has an effect on certain things like the tides and even human behavior. I have a frien that is a police officer and he dreads to see the moon full because of the increase in violent crime. My granddad was a super gardener and he planted everything by the stages of the moon. He didn't use an almanac, he just knew what they were. My dad was the best gardener I knew and he didn't pay any attention to any of that. He primarily went by how warm the soil was and if he had his seed beds like he wanted them. About the only thing I know he went by other than that was he liked to plant on good Friday.
He planted every thing but field peas. He planted green beans earlier than that. Butter beans, squash, okra, lettuce, radishes, beets, just about anything you plant in the garden. Field peas he would plant sometime about the first of May.