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green04735
Bridgewater, ME

September 8, 2011
10:04 AM

Post #8799171

This is my three month old splash orp,this morning when I went out he was puffed up with his head under his wing,it was cold here this morning so I put him in a cage under a heat lamp,I also put electrolites in his water and tried to feed him bread with yougut on it and he would not eat it so I tried just the bread as he loves that and he would not eat that either.He was fine yesterday and so are the other 5 thats in with him all the same age.I have checked him over and can find nothing wrong to my eye.He is my favorite and have waiting so long for a splash.Have you any idea`s what could be wrong or anything else I could try?

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DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

September 8, 2011
2:19 PM

Post #8799477

force electrolyte water in him with a dropper or syringe for sure to make sure he is getting enough fluids and it probably wouldn't hurt to give antibiotics just in case he is coming down with a cold. I would use a more broad spectrum one to cover all the bases. Also you could get some GroGel Plus. I would not give bread as it is a useless nutrient. Make a mash with his feed and put s dot of yogurt on top to try to attract him to eat or the grogel on top after it sets into the jello stage.

Any improvements during the day??
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

September 8, 2011
4:18 PM

Post #8799616

I did the yogurt mix and he ate all that.Someone on another fourm sugested giving him corid in case its cocci,there is no blood in his poop and he does seem better tonight,I will keep him by himself tonigh.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

September 8, 2011
4:26 PM

Post #8799628

This is what his poop looks like,theres not much in it.

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green04735
Bridgewater, ME

September 9, 2011
12:16 PM

Post #8800820

Started him and his 5 litter mates on sulmet,He is doing great I put him back outside with the others and he is chasing bug taking dirt bath and eating,so maybe it was not that but I think I will do the full 6 days.
porkpal
Richmond, TX

September 9, 2011
3:39 PM

Post #8801120

That is really good news!
DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

September 9, 2011
3:48 PM

Post #8801131

glad to hear it
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 15, 2011
9:39 AM

Post #8849824

I noticed the last few days he is having a hard time to balance himself on the roosts,He stays on but teeters a little untill he sits down.Also when he sits down on the floor his feet and legs are out in front of him and he tilts back.He is eating and drinking and looks fine other than that,any ideas?Of coarse he is my favorite and want to use him next spring for breeding.
porkpal
Richmond, TX

October 15, 2011
9:56 AM

Post #8849834

Well it has been going on too long for Mareks disease or any other serious infection, I would think. The balance problems sound like an inner ear or neurological issue (?) In other words I have no clue. The fact that he still eats well and does normal chicken things seems like a good sign, however. I hope someone else has better ideas.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 15, 2011
10:08 AM

Post #8849851

Does one of his legs look bigger than the other?Maybe he sprained it.And one foot looks like it is shaped a little differant,I don`t know.

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green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 15, 2011
10:12 AM

Post #8849853

And this is how he sits.I have noticed today that he does not want to walk much

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DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

October 15, 2011
11:50 AM

Post #8849928

he may have hurt his hip or something. His left leg does look larger in the pic above. I honestly don't know either
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 15, 2011
11:52 AM

Post #8849931

I`m thinking its a sprain,I put him in a cage and feed him some yogurt with raw garilic and I couldn`t get it in the dish fast enough for him,he gobbled it right down.So I mixed up some electolites in their water and put him back in with the rest,he does not want to walk on it anymore than he has to but is eating and drinking and pooping ok (looks normal)so will just keep an eye on him.

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green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 15, 2011
11:53 AM

Post #8849933

Donna I`m hoping thats all it is
ZZsBabiez
Lodi, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 15, 2011
12:12 PM

Post #8849947

I think the legs are the same. If you notice, one is turned, giving it a different angle.. if the toe was in line like the "skinny" leg, then I'm thinking it would appear exactly the same.

I always jump to it being Mereck's.. It doesn't seem the first "episode" was Mereck's.. but the symptoms he is showing now are almost classic, other than when he sets, if it was "classic" symptoms, one leg would be forward, and one leg back.. but the "range paralysis" and the fluffed feathers, not eating, etc.. sounds like it to me.

catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

October 15, 2011
5:15 PM

Post #8850258

Don't give up too soon. I had a little roo who did the same, and I'm sure it was Marek's. I was just too stubborn not to try, even though I sure didn't need another rooster. I tried a sling to keep him upright, with little luck, he kept spinning. I built a cardboard box with a shelf to support him, two holes for his legs, so they could be in a "normal" position, and sides high enough to keep him upright. He was eating and drinking, so I put food and water in reach of his beak. It looked very strange, but he survived. I don't really know how long he was in that contraption, but it was at least two weeks. He finally started "falling out", and I kept replacing him, thinking maybe he was outgrowing it. Eventually I realized he was flying out and walking a few steps, or hobbling, or something.
He's fine. And some reading now indicates he may be resistant to Marek's, and good for breeding the same into his offspring.

Eufaula

Eufaula
Eatonton, GA
(Zone 8b)

October 16, 2011
2:38 AM

Post #8850623

Im here Green, just been catching up! hopefully your splash will recover very soon.
Im going through a bit here too with unknowns. Losing babies right and left. I wont take over your thread with my probs though. Will start another. E.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 16, 2011
4:14 AM

Post #8850654

He ran outside with the others this mornng,but was slow getting off the ramp,itdoes appear to me that one leg is swollen,I idid a lot of reading on Mereks last night and will look at his eyes later as that will give me a clue if that is what it is
porkpal
Richmond, TX

October 16, 2011
6:27 AM

Post #8850744

If it is Mareks, he is doing unusually well and is likely to recover if he continues to eat and drink.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 16, 2011
4:35 PM

Post #8851537

His eyes look normal,I seen a pic of what they would look like if he had Mareks
ZZsBabiez
Lodi, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 17, 2011
11:07 AM

Post #8852640

If he has range paralysis, he won't have the strain that affects the eyes. If his eyes were cloudy, etc.. he would not get the leg problems.. those are two different strains of the same disease.
Mereck's is not a death sentence in all cases. Their legs usually don't swell.. I even had one that broke a leg, and it didn't swell at all. They don't seem to get infection and inflammation like we do, or like other animals.. Which is great, cause infections are so hard to fight.

No, I wouldn't give up no matter what it is.. I hope he recovers... if it is Mereck's and he recovers, like Catmad says, it's a good thing! One less threat to check of what seems to be an endless list of things that they can get.. It's near impossible to diagnose what happens to our chickens because of the multitudes of things that mock other symptoms..

Good luck!
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 17, 2011
2:37 PM

Post #8852993

He went outside more today and he is eating and drinking very well,I have been giving him activia with chopped garlic and a little bread in it and he devours it,I did dust him tonight with poultry dust under his wings and his rear area,it seems to be just the one leg.He is the only one of all the chicks that has given me any trouble,I think its because I like him the best,LOL ZZ if chicks are given the Merecks shot as chicks does that cover range to?Do you give your chicks the mereck shot?I know if I order any from hatchery I will have them given the shot so I don`t have to worry about that

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ZZsBabiez
Lodi, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 18, 2011
12:22 PM

Post #8854191

Oh I've gotta believe that Donna!! Kinda like the best way to find out if it's NOT a weed is to pull it out... sure as shootin, it'll be the only one you want to grow!

They can be vaccinated as newly hatched chicks... Range Paralysis is a symptom of Mereck's. So yes, it would cover that.
I do not vaccinate for Mereck's. They would have to be vaccinated as soon as they hatch, before they go to the brooder and you have to purchase the vaccine in huge doses.. I've only lost a few to Mereck's I think only one Serama... It seems to attack different breeds more than some..

This might be your second "false alarm" with him... or he may have a mild case. My guess is he will be fine. Seems that when they pass from Mereck's, it's rather quick..
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 18, 2011
2:32 PM

Post #8854344

I have never seen a chicken grow as fast as him and his sisters,they are huge.He seems a little better each day.
porkpal
Richmond, TX

October 18, 2011
8:31 PM

Post #8854827

Good to hear!
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 19, 2011
4:28 AM

Post #8855100

He is lossing his feathers
porkpal
Richmond, TX

October 19, 2011
6:08 AM

Post #8855199

Oh, that is odd. Isn't he too young to molt?
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 19, 2011
8:19 AM

Post #8855386

He was born in June,I would think so,there are a lot of feathers in the coop this morning mostly wing feathers.Any thoughts anyone as to why this would be happening?
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 22, 2011
10:55 AM

Post #8859252

This is him outside today,this is how he sits,he runs around then has to sit,still eating good and drinking.

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green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 22, 2011
10:58 AM

Post #8859255

This is him standing with a lot of his feathers missing,he walks along and they just fall out of him,hes not the only one that is lossing feathers,this is not a good time of year to molt if that is whats happeneing.

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porkpal
Richmond, TX

October 22, 2011
11:59 AM

Post #8859299

Mine are molting now as they normally do in the fall which seems like poor timing to me too. I would have thought your Mr Handsome was too young
ZZsBabiez
Lodi, CA
(Zone 9b)

October 24, 2011
12:24 PM

Post #8861778

They go through a juvenile molt.. but it's usually not as drastic as it is later in life.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 24, 2011
1:50 PM

Post #8861888

His sister that is the same color as him is moting to but not the other sister that is black.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 27, 2011
5:25 AM

Post #8865466

Update on handsome,I put him a cage inside the coop so he can see the others,I thought maybe if was not using the foot and leg much he might come out of it.His foot is swollen,I checked for bumble foot and did not see any sign of that.I still think sprain in leg foot or hip.I`ll keep him in there for a week and if I don`t see any improvment then he will go back in the big coop.He eats and drinks great and poop looks normal still.He is still molting a bit but not like he was.
CajuninKy
Biggs, KY
(Zone 6a)

October 27, 2011
8:28 PM

Post #8866499

Just a guess here but it may be that he has grown faster than his legs can hold. It happens to the "fryers" they raise in houses and feed growth hormone to. They just get heavy and cannot stand up. You say he is very big and growing. If that is it, his muscles may catch up soon since he is not getting growth hormone. Hope he does well.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 28, 2011
4:06 AM

Post #8866630

You know I did think of that same thing,will just have to wait and see

Eufaula

Eufaula
Eatonton, GA
(Zone 8b)

October 28, 2011
5:06 AM

Post #8866678

Hes such a hansome guy, hope he recovers soon!
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 28, 2011
3:11 PM

Post #8867280

H e is so friendly,I know he would like to be with the others but he is so good he does not try to escape when I open his door to give him his water and feed and goodies.He is in the same room with them only in his own cage.
DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

October 28, 2011
8:36 PM

Post #8867619

try giving him extra protein if he is growing to fast for his muscles. Get some fishing crickets for him and give 3 or 4 a day or get a bag of flock raiser it is 19% protein and all I feed mine
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 29, 2011
3:55 AM

Post #8867710

Yes I am doing that,BOSS,and picked up some conditioner feed that has protein in it
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 29, 2011
6:12 PM

Post #8868534

What are fishing crickets and where would you get them?
DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

October 29, 2011
6:52 PM

Post #8868580

live crickets like in your yard. Places that sell fishing bait should have them. My feed store has them too.
Meal worms would be good too
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 30, 2011
4:48 AM

Post #8868809

We live to far up north to have any bait shops,my tsc sells meal worms that are dried probably has the same amount of protein
porkpal
Richmond, TX

October 30, 2011
6:19 AM

Post #8868881

I bet he'll love them!
titaniumRX8
Mint Hill, NC
(Zone 7b)

October 30, 2011
6:39 AM

Post #8868914

If you need meal worms go to a Wild Birds Unlimited or some place like that - they usually keep a little fridge in the store with fresh worms. They usually sell them 500 at a time for around 10 or 11 bucks. Also, I've been able to pick up fishing worms and crickets at my local Wal-Mart back in the sporting goods dept. You might check there too.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 30, 2011
10:53 AM

Post #8869236

Thanks I`ll try that
DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

October 30, 2011
11:32 AM

Post #8869276

using fishing worms puts your birds at risk to get gape worms.

I would try the meal worms maybe crumble with some boiled or raw egg yolk to entice your baby to try it.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

October 31, 2011
4:19 PM

Post #8870959

He got meal worms mixed with cottage cheese for a treat today and I bought some flock raiser that is 20% protein for all the chickens today and will keep them on it untill they are fully feathered again.As long as I provide oyster shell I could feed them flock raiser all winter couldn`t I?
DonnaB
Vancleave, MS
(Zone 8b)

October 31, 2011
8:23 PM

Post #8871263

yes that is all I have ever fed mine with a bowl of grit and oyster shells mixed together on the side.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

November 7, 2011
12:11 PM

Post #8880299

Pittyful ain`t it?

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green04735
Bridgewater, ME

November 7, 2011
12:14 PM

Post #8880301

This handsome today,he is still limping and moltin really bad,he stays by himself but can see everyone else,I do put him in with the others when I clean his cage but can`t stand up very long then he sits.

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titaniumRX8
Mint Hill, NC
(Zone 7b)

November 8, 2011
11:08 AM

Post #8881613

Get that girl a chicken saddle...

Poor guy - Hope things get better for him.
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

November 8, 2011
6:49 PM

Post #8882261

She had one on this summer,the rooster has been gone since August,just slow getting new feathers in
titaniumRX8
Mint Hill, NC
(Zone 7b)

November 9, 2011
6:17 AM

Post #8882762

Didn't realize she was molting until I saw the other post with the others with the same problem...Maybe get them some with fleece to keep them warm since you're so far north...I know they will be just fine without them - I'm just being a mother hen because I worry over my chickens staying warm.
porkpal
Richmond, TX

November 9, 2011
7:13 AM

Post #8882816

I have never understood why chickens choose the late fall to molt!
green04735
Bridgewater, ME

November 9, 2011
8:44 AM

Post #8882923

This her and her sister (lucy and ethel) they look the same as far as thir molt,the rooster really liked them this past summer and I have a few babies to prove it,I call them orpalls,mothers are faverolles and the father a big buff orpington

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