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My Grandfather an old countryman used to soak pea and bean seeds in Paraffin, yes thats right, this was to prevent mice, rabbit's, squirrels, voles, mole etc from sniffing out the seeds and eating them in the colder weather. His son, my father used to soak his pea, bean and all hard coated seeds (lupin, sweat-peas etc) overnight in warm water left the container beside the kitchen stove, by following evening, you could just make out the ting little growing shoot that had began to make new life, the channel was drawn in the soil with the tip of the hose, then flooded with water, and we kids all got to drop the peas, beans etc into the drills and cover the seeds, running to the end to place the label into place at each end.
My friend thinks we are molly codling the seeds and she just soaks the drills and lays the seeds right out the packet and to be honest her plants are only about 2 weeks behind ours so best to do trial for yourself. hope this is informative and you have many good crops to come and enjoyment. good luck. WeeNel.
HI Doug94345, I think the paraffin used would be what you call Kerosene, our paraffin was used for heating small heaters that could be transported around the home, (yes now-a-days) dangerous but in those days a necessity in our winters, even in todays modern world, you would be hard pushed to find a domestic building with air conditioning in it anywhere in UK.
Dare I tell you that we made our own sealing wax from bee's wax gathered from the honey combs every year, Nothing was wastes and even today there are things passed down to me that I still do today within the garden and home, still alive, no one has died from the stuff passed down to us. The exception of stuff we know are dangerous / poisonous or harmful like DDT, burning Tobacco sticks in greenhouse to kill off bugs etc, UK have banned loads of chemicals used Willy nilly and thrown about like a man with no arms, so unless there is no other more natural way, my last resort would be to go buy a chemical cure to help, but I am surrounded with wild life birds, hedgehogs, Roe deer, water voles birds of pray etc, some of which I get angry with while chomping my garden to bits but, My home (like thousands of others around the world) was built on land habituated by these wild animals long before town folks wanted to go live in the countryside, so my garden store is empty of any chemicals just now, long may it last. My last three generations all gardened naturally and were able to feed and decorate the family through what they called their hobby, I just garden the way I was taught from childhood, looking, helping and growing stuff in my own childish ways till I grew up and got a garden after I was married. Still love it, Husband don't know a Dandelion from a Daisey but helps me out.
I still want to carry on and do it but, like all my forefathers, age is becoming a problem as are the energy levels but, aches and pains with other health problems, I now have my grandkids wanting to help just as I did, and I know that there will be hundreds of folks on Dave's who had the same teaching as myself. good luck to all of them, carry on the good work ha, ha, ha.
Take care. WeeNel.
with all the rain we're getting down here in south florida, i don't think i can directly sow and may have to do the seed starting with the mat and lights until it clears up and get warm enough (supposed to be only 75 degrees rest of week, but back up to 80s by halloween). want to give my seeds the best chance; you know?
also - i think it was you, or on a post you made once, about liquid kelp/seaweed and also fish emulsion that I could get online. do you remember? if so, please post again.
I soak and pre-sprout my peas. This has worked great for me. No rotting in the cold spring. I've even had my garden beds re-freeze on top and my peas still came up when the soil warmed with no problems. This has been such a reliable method for me that I doubt I'll ever go back.
I've been a bit delayed getting my pea sprouts planted and have had them as long as .5". It greatly increases the chance that they could be damaged (I sprout mine in a large canning jar and you need to rinse the seed twice daily. I sprout a lot of seed and swishing lots of seed with long sprouts in a jar isn't always the best thing for them, even when trying to be very careful). As long as they don't get damaged, there's no problem. Keep in mind, just a one day delay in getting them planted can lead to some pretty long sprouts.
Uh, I put some Kentucky Wonder pole beans in a yogurt cup with a couple drops of Hydrogen Peroxide last night. Seven seeds sank, seven seeds floated. I think the floaties are not viable, right?
I'm new at doing peas and beans (which I truly LOVE), so any advice ya'll can share here would be very appreciated. I will probably plant the beans in my 6.5 gallon buckets with a teepee trellis over them. Only four pole bean, and four butter bean plants will be grown. I have Southern peas (beans), which I'll start sometime in mid-April, since they love the heat.
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As Donna said, as they get bigger it's hard to plant without damaging them. I've had the best luck with planting when the root sprout was only 1 to 1-1/2 inches long. Actually, I've had the REALLY best luck by taking those sprouted seeds and starting them in large (1-1/2") cell packs or small pots and then planting out once the tops were a couple of inches high... otherwise it seems like every year something kills off a pretty large number of the young plants and I end up replanting.
I could plant those seeds in 8 oz. yogurt cups and let them grow on until the tops are about 3" tall? Then, I could lift the whole plug and set it out into my buckets? There'd be no damage to the plant that way...
That makes TOTAL sense to me!
P.S. The seeds will have been soaking for 48 hours by this evening. I prolly need to plant them tonight, huh? NOW I'm getting excited!
Thanks for the goose! I moved the KY Wonder Pole Beans to the cool room Thursday night, and those seedlings are sure looking green and healthy. I noticed they have an interesting characteristic. When the lights are on, the leaves fan out so the light covers most of the leaf surfaces. When I turn out the lights, the leaves fold down (umbrella style), and I guess the plant goes to sleep!
It's fascinating to watch. Almost like what four 'o clocks do.
Well, this weekend is my drop dead, get-it-done-or-else-weekend. Taking an extra day (again!) since we're supposed to have FOUR gorgeous days ahead (wish I had taken Tuesday, too..)
I'll post pics of the beans. They're in drinking water bottles, and are approximately 4" tall. There's a long runner reaching overhead, looking for something to grab hold of. I'll try to plant them out this weekend, and fashion the bamboo teepees over each bucket. I have 10 seeds planted. Six are truly up, 2 are peeping, and 2 are sleeping. The bottles are filling up with roots, too.
My method will be to carefully cut away the bottom of the bottle, then slit the sides and lift the whole root ball out in a single motion, from bottle to planting hole.
Is there some amendment I should add to the planting hole, first? LMK.
okra: yes, or i sometimes freeze it overnight
If you plant and the seeds do not get any water on them for a long time, you may experience problems. That has been my experience. When possible I try to sow the seeds then water the seed beds afterwards unless rain is predicted within a day or so.
I'm new to growing beans and peas, so I guess I did it wrong. I soaked my beans in Hydrogen Peroxide, then planted them in yogurt cups and water bottles till they came up. My intent is to CAREFULLY (I heard they have sensitive roots...) transplant them into their final places in the hydroponic buckets, surrounded by a bamboo trellis...
After reading how many of you pre-soak your pea seeds, I decided to try it myself. I soaked a package overnight on Wednesday, and sowed them this morning. The soil was nice and damp and it's supposed to rain over the weekend so I didn't water them in.
For the past few years I've had a problem with birds eating the peas as soon as they sprout - so I started thinking like a bird (tweet, tweet.) It occurred to me that seeds sown in February (which is when it's recommended that they be sown in our zone) are not eaten by the birds. But - if I wait until around the 7th of March they don't eat them.
So I looked around me and noticed that the trees begin to leaf-out around the first or second week of March. Hmmm... I said to myself. I bet the birds peck at all those nice fresh new tree leaves and that's why they leave my peas alone in March.
I'll let you know if all this tweeting to myself has paid off. LOL
I've always soaked my beans and peas and innoculated too. I am going to try the peroxide trick this year. I'm probably going to soak my squash seeds to. I don't know why but I have better luck sowing my cukes and squash seed rather than starting them inside and transplanting. They come up fast and in the past, caught up with transplants and passed them.
Frank65 - squash and cucumbers are tricky to transplant as they don't like their roots disturbed. I start mine indoors in individual 3oz Solo cups and get them into the garden before they become rootbound.
I agree with ydnic1:
>> I not only soak my pea and beans,but I spout them. This is good for short growing seasons or wet springs to keep them from rotting.
Peas (snow peas, at least) don't seem to need any help unloess the sopil is cold and wet. Then, anything I can do to help them out is priceless!
Johnnies Seeds says the germination rate keeps improving up to 80F soil temperature, and 85F is better than 60F! So they're a cool seson crop that would rather germinate in very warm soil.
Any seeds I soak, I soak in 0.1% hydrogen peroxide, so that I don't encvourage yeast mold and fungus overnight. Starting with 3% peroxide from a drugstiore,
- - One and a half teaspoons peroxide per cup of water, or
- - 1 ounce peroxide per Quart of water.
I had planted limas without soaking. We had a hard drenching rain and it washed some of the soil off the limas. I was amazed to see how large the limas had swelled as well as sprouted the tap root. Now I wonder if they would have germinated more quickly had I soaked them.
I put a handful of moist sowing compost into a sealable polythene bag, Then I mix in the seeds - unsoaked beans, peas or Sweet corn, I seal the bag and then place it in a warm airing cupboard. Sweet corn will germinate with an inch long root within a couple of days, Beans and peas take 3 or 4 days to germinate. I check them every day just in case ! Courgettes and other large seeds can be germinated in the same way.
I place bean and sweet corn seeds into individual pots, and the peas into a guttering filled with compost in a "dice 5" pattern and keep the gutter in the greenhouse.. When the peas have grown about 5-6 inches I take them to the garden/allotment and slide out the whole lot into a small trench in the soil.