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GREENSIDEUP
Big Flats, NY
(Zone 5b)

December 4, 2011
7:28 AM

Post #8915796

Hello Everyone, i just wanted to suggest a very fine Streptocarpus variety "Bristol Sunset. I bought it at The Violet Barn in the fall of 2010. It has grown ever so well in a north window and has had at least 50 flowers open from April til now. I am going to put it under lights. I have grown a good many Gesneriads over the years but this one blooms so well with minimum care. I had to spend this spring and summer away for the most part and fertilized it infrequently. I meant to put it on a resevior and wick, I didn't and got home a few days to see it wilted. I gather there are other Bristol hybrids that are at or near this stature. What a LOVE! I hope everyone has a great holiday season and that your new year is all you want. Lee Sherwood McDonald

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dispatcher1
Seymour, IN
(Zone 5b)

December 4, 2011
7:36 AM

Post #8915809

Very Pretty!!! I wish I could get them to grow for me. I love their big blooms. Lou
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

December 4, 2011
8:41 AM

Post #8915881

Those are amazing! The flower form really doesn't look like AV's!
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 4, 2011
8:48 AM

Post #8915885

The Robinsons did it again. Fabulous!
lbrabec
(Lynn) Omaha, NE
(Zone 5a)

December 4, 2011
11:16 AM

Post #8916012

Lee,
It's gorgeous!Wishing you a wonderful holiday season and a happy new year.

Lynn
zozzl
Orlando, FL

December 5, 2011
7:33 AM

Post #8917073

That is very pretty! I seem to burn the leaves of my streps with too much fertilizer so I am trying seaweed fertilizer at a much lower rate.
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2011
8:01 AM

Post #8917116

Zozzl: I only use MiraceGro Tomato fertilizer at 1/4 strength on all my plants including Streps and they love it.
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

December 5, 2011
9:04 AM

Post #8917178

So they prefer and acidic environment.
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2011
9:45 AM

Post #8917217

That's a common misconception. Most Gesneriads actually tolerate slightly acidic conditions but prefer it a bit more alkaline.

Many Gesneriads benefit from additional lime but that's not necessary here in Chicago since the water is hard and the pH is rather high (7.8-8.5 normally).
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

December 5, 2011
12:45 PM

Post #8917432

Then why do you use tomato food? That's acidic.
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2011
1:22 PM

Post #8917521

First of all, the Tomato food is not that acidic. Tomatos don't like it too much below pH 6 and usually do better at around 6.5-7.

Second: The water around here is pretty alkaline (pH 7.8-8.5) and full of minerals, which more than makes up for the slight acidity of the mix and the fertilizer.

Third: I only use the fertilizer at 1/4 strength and repot often because most Gesneriads will be damaged by salt buildup in the mix.

Fourth: What works for me doesn't necessarily have to be a good idea for you. I use the MiracleGro stuff mostly because it's cheap and available everywhere. Not at last, I use it because it works for me.

I grow Gesneriads, Begonias, Orchids, Hoyas, some succulents, some Aroids, some ferns etc.

Everybody gets the same food and they're all happy with it.

In my experience, the much more expensive fertilizers are great - particularly for the manufacturer's bottom line... LOL

I have found that it is much more important to use the right mix and to repot frequently than it is to use any particular fertilizer.

I have used organic fertilizers of all kind in the past (Molasses, Guano and Kelp based) and have found that they have a tendency to make my mix mold over on indoor plants. I also have tried all kinds of inorganic fertilizers and have not been able to find huge differences except for the price tag.

What seems to be the most important is that the fertilizer is halfways balanced. The Tomato food, for instance, is 18-18-21. And I know that the respective numbers are quite high but since I dilute the food to 1/4 strenth or less, that has never been a problem.

I used to use Schultz BloomPlus (10-60-10) on all my plants, diluted to 1/4 strength and that worked fine as well but is much more expensive than the Tomato food.
lbrabec
(Lynn) Omaha, NE
(Zone 5a)

December 5, 2011
1:44 PM

Post #8917550

Ok,a few notes here.
My water is 9.2,quite alkaline.When my Streps. were looling peaked I used Miracid a couple of times and they greened right up.Apparently it restored the PH balance.

Any bloom booster,such as 10-60-10 are fine for once in awhile,but eventually they will throw off the nutrient balance.

Lynn
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2011
2:06 PM

Post #8917579

Oh, wow! 9.2 IS alkaline and definitely prompts you to mess with the soil chemistry. It's surprising that you can AT ALL use your tap water to water your plants...

Other than that, I have made the experience that messing with the soil chemistry often times causes more problems than it solves. You are playing with a very complex systems of which you don't know all the parameters and changing just one parameter slightly, can cause an avalanche of changes in other parameters...

I have only had chlorotic leaves on one of my Sinningias because I didn't repot it into my own mix immediately. After repotting, the plant greened right back up.

Well, the BloomBooster is most definitely acidic, considering it's extremely high Phosphorous content and I agree that it is no good for general use but can be a good thing on variegated plants to promote variegation and on stubborn "non-bloomers" to promote bloom - but only every once in a while!

The bottom line is that this discussion has been going on since the dawn of horticulture and I don't think that it will stop or be concluded any time soon. It's hard to generalize an extremely complex subject like this - there just is no silver bullet.

What that means for all practical purposes is that every grower will have to find out what works for them by means of trial and error. There was an article in The Gloxinian/Gesneriads quite some time ago, which was titled "What Works? What Works!" and Brad Thompson has this article on his Begonia website that is titled "Advice On Taking Advice"... :)

Olaf
aspenjocop
Northeast, MO
(Zone 5b)

December 5, 2011
2:15 PM

Post #8917588

Sorry All, but I do have to agree with Sis here. Alkaline or acid DOES make a difference on some gessies. Streps and African Violets are two of them as they like it more acidic than alkaline.

If you continuously use a bloom booster, you will end up with an adverse effect. You want to stick with a fertilizer that is as close to 60 as possible and with micro-nutrients. 20-20-20- is perfect to equal the number 60 but if you can't find that, get a fertilizer as close to those numbers as you can. Growers will often use a bloom booster right before a show but not on a regular basis.

Connie
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2011
2:47 PM

Post #8917613

Connie: I couldn't agree more! The pH requirements are different in different genera and Streps and Violets generally like it a little more acidic than other Gessies.

However, you have to keep that in perspective. Sure, your average Violet won't tolerate as much lime as most Primulinas but most Violet and Strep growers that I know will add some lime to their mix anyway. Peat based mixes can be very acidic, especially as the peat starts to break down and that might be the reason why.

None of the popular Gesneriads will tolerate extremely acidic or extremely alkaline conditions. What we are essentially talking about is a pH range of maybe 6 to 8.

I also completely agree on the BloomBooster or any other high Phosphorous fertilizer. It will throw off the nutrient balance in the mix and will alter the pH significantly if you use it on a regular basis.



zozzl
Orlando, FL

December 5, 2011
8:29 PM

Post #8918001

I never thought of Miracle Grow! I think I have some. I'll have to try it.
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

December 5, 2011
9:06 PM

Post #8918092

I pretty much use miracle grow on everything but will beef it up with a bit of rose food for my solanaceae family plants. I've used bloom booster too but notice after awhile the quality and size of the blooms seem to diminish when I use it consistently. Seems like it wears out the plant.

So what I'm getting here is that I should feed the AV's with quarter to half strength miracle grow & every once in a while throw in a bit of rose food?

And Olaf .. if you haven't glommed on to Kirks Castille Hardwater Soap for bathing, give it a try.
lbrabec
(Lynn) Omaha, NE
(Zone 5a)

December 6, 2011
11:20 AM

Post #8918735

In the long run you can use pretty much any fertilizer that contains nitrogen,phosphorus and potassium,but for general use it should be fairly well balanced,such as 20-20-20.Plants also need some trace nutrients,especially if they are in a soiless mix.
Check the label on your rose food.As long as it doesn't contain highly acidic ingredients it will probably work,but be very cautious about the amount you use.

I know people use Hartz Flea and Tick Shampoo and Murphy's oil soap.What is the Castille soap used for?

Lynn
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2011
11:35 AM

Post #8918764

Hey Lynn!

I was wondering myself what that Castille soap was used for...

How much of the Murphy's do you use per gallon? I would really love to try this as a wetting agent with Neem.

As for the fertilizer: Exactly! Trace nutrients or the lack thereof can be the biggest issue in the long run.

Olaf
Xeramtheum
Summerville, SC
(Zone 8a)

December 6, 2011
12:45 PM

Post #8918869

Ahh .. it's for places with hard water .. you can actually get a good lather out of it and it rinses really clean and makes your skin soft! You mentioned you had hard water in Chicago. When I lived in England I had friends shipping it over to me .. the water is so hard there you can get a concussion just taking a shower.
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2011
1:20 PM

Post #8918909

Okay! That makes sense! LOL

I know what you are talking about. I grew up in an area where the water was so extremely hard that it makes Chicago city water seem like rain water...
lbrabec
(Lynn) Omaha, NE
(Zone 5a)

December 6, 2011
4:33 PM

Post #8919172

Oops,sorry all.It looks like I pretty much said the exact thing Sister Connie had already said...blush.I should read closer sometimes!

Olaf,
The friend who uses it said 1 capful of Murphy's per gallon of water.

Lynn
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 6, 2011
4:44 PM

Post #8919182

Oh, cool! I thought about using Murphy's for some time but just wasn't sure...

I will definitely give it a shot with Neem and see how that goes... :)

I think we are all pretty much saying the same thing on the subject of fertilizer or at least we can agree on the basics. :)

This is an important discussion to have since it is about the right diet for our plants.

Olaf
zozzl
Orlando, FL

December 9, 2011
1:59 PM

Post #8922981

Wouldn't the Murphy's Oil Soap work like an insecticial soap all by itself? I used to use the stuff to clean saddles and tack so I never thought of putting it on plants:)

PatM.
lbrabec
(Lynn) Omaha, NE
(Zone 5a)

December 9, 2011
2:02 PM

Post #8922985

Pat,
That's what the lady I was speaking of does,I think.Was it you Diane?

Lynn
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2011
2:06 PM

Post #8922990

Well, I like to add Neem because it's also a fungicide and helps keep any mites or thrips in check.

Olaf
lbrabec
(Lynn) Omaha, NE
(Zone 5a)

December 9, 2011
2:23 PM

Post #8923024

Neem is a good product,but I don't always have it handy.

Lynn
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2011
2:32 PM

Post #8923044

They sell the oil at Lowes. A quart lasts me forever.
meag848
Kittrell, NC
(Zone 7b)

December 9, 2011
2:53 PM

Post #8923065

I always keep neem on hand. It's wonderful for outside plants as well. But I use a drop or two of Dawn.

Melanie
bsimpson1972
Chicago, IL
(Zone 6a)

December 9, 2011
2:58 PM

Post #8923070

I had some bad experiences with Dawn a while back but I think that there is a chance that I might have used one or two drops too many... LOL
lbrabec
(Lynn) Omaha, NE
(Zone 5a)

December 9, 2011
3:18 PM

Post #8923090

Thanks for the tip Melanie!
meag848
Kittrell, NC
(Zone 7b)

December 9, 2011
11:57 PM

Post #8923490

You're welcome!!

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