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Palms and Cycads: Cold Hardiness

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coastalzonepush
Orlando, FL
(Zone 9b)

December 16, 2011
5:35 PM

Post #8932569

wondering if anyone knows the cold hardiness of crownshaft palms. i understand they are the more tender kinds, but why is it that theres fully healthy foxtails while theres dead ones? and literally half-dead Christmas palms? i read somewhere that king palms are hardier than xmas palms... and theres royals growing fine too...Could anyone please make suggestions - based on their experience/knowledge/kindness - on which ones of these palms are known for being able to tolerate freezes. Thanks.
ginger749

December 16, 2011
8:43 PM

Post #8932722

Hi Coastalzonepush,

Wow! that name sure is a mouthfull, :-)

I'm afraid I am not much help as I am in the Tropics.
3 of the Palms you mention are endemic to my State. (Queensland)

The others grow like weeds here.
Bob may be able to help you as he lives in your Area. (USA)

kell.


tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

December 16, 2011
11:02 PM

Post #8932793

Coastalzonepush, when you speak of "crownshaft palms" you're speaking of a huge number of different palm species, with a varying tolerance of different climatic conditions. While some palms can take a quick dip in temperature they have problems with extended cold periods. Also, people get away with growing palms in sheltered spots against buildings on the sunny side, well out of their accepted zones. There's a lot of factors involved. This is why you see pockets of living or dead palms in the same area.

The Christmas Palm, Adonidia merrillii, is one of the more sensitive palms. It comes from the Philipines rainforest and requires warmer humid conditions. The Foxtail, Wodyetia bifurcata, although from a very warm area, appears to cope with more extremes of temperature. On the other hand the King Palm, Archontophoenix cunninghamiana, comes from a colder climate (like where Ginger lives which is well outside of the tropics) right down to southern New South Wales. So it's much more cold tolerant. There are other species of Archontophoenix which do come from the tropics that are sometimes referred to as King Palms but they are less cold tolerant, such as Archontophoenix alexandrae.

The thing is you need to check around your area to see what's growing there and take particular note of what their microclimate might be. These factors can mean the difference between the same species of palm living or dying in different parts of your yard. When you're close to the margin it becomes a fine balancing act. That's how you become a successful zone pusher.
coastalzonepush
Orlando, FL
(Zone 9b)

December 18, 2011
8:09 AM

Post #8934232

Kell, thanks for the response. i understand, it must be rather different there. ive been to the real tropics but never the southern hemisphere. it must be more annoying than pleasing to have those palms as weeds.
Tropicbreeze (love the name!), you are actually answering questions i havent put up yet! thanks. i was really going to get towards kings versus christmas. they sell both here. but i wasnt sure which was hardier. i havent seen mature plants of either one in the area. also i run into the problem of not knowing the difference between kings and alexanders. they do not label them specifically at the garden center, all the container says is king palm. But basically youre saying that if i plant a king (cunninghamiana) palm this spring maybe i will have a chance of survivial?
ginger749

December 18, 2011
11:45 AM

Post #8934409

Hi Zonepusher,

I really love Palms,
My area of the Cold Goast is absolutely ideal for palm growing.
Infact they grow so fast they literally jump out of their skin/bark.
Cocus are the worst.
They have recently been declared a noxious weed and can't be planted in any new suburb.
Most Nurseries don't even sell them.

This Picture is typical of the splitting many of my Palms get up to.

kell.

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ginger749

December 18, 2011
11:48 AM

Post #8934415

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

December 29, 2011
1:27 PM

Post #8946803

Coastalzonepush, if you pick your species, and pick your micro-climate you have a far greater chance of plant survival. So definitely get a cunninghamiana over an alexandrae.

Another point on survival is that older (taller) plants can often cope with cold better than smaller ones. Seedlings and short (young) plants are closer to ground level, where colder air can accumulate. Higher up the air doesn't cool so much. If you can put your plants in the warmest spots and give additional protection when needed, it gives them a chance to grow taller and then be less susceptible to cold weather.

But you can still end up with the situation shown in the photos above. When the plant is growing and the weather goes cold the centre of the trunk may keep growing while the outer trunk stops causing it to split. My sister lives in a cold climate and she's also had that happen. Check out this forum, it could help: http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showforum=13
coastalzonepush
Orlando, FL
(Zone 9b)

January 13, 2012
2:12 PM

Post #8966443

i appreciate the responses! very helpful, i really got my questions answered. i will try to purchase a cunninghamiana, but typically they dont specify the specie *sigh. is there any way to tell the difference between the two? i can only buy them as triples, no trunk.
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

January 13, 2012
7:36 PM

Post #8966774

Try asking on that link I gave you. There's a lot of palm growers from Florida on that site and from what I've seen quite a few of them grow cunninghamiana. Some are also nurserymen who specialise in palms and are quite reliable.

palmbob

palmbob
Acton, CA
(Zone 8b)


January 13, 2012
9:10 PM

Post #8966842

If you are getting your palms from a garden outlet store, chances are they are Archoto cunninghammaina as those are by far the most commonly available species. Every now and then A alexandrae shows up at a common nursery, but never do any of the other Archotophoenix... the rest are only available from specialty palm nurseries and then they will definitely be identified.
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

March 5, 2012
3:09 PM

Post #9031248

Archoto cunninghammaina are short lived in the ground in Florida - nematodes eat their roots.

They are long lived in containers.

The toughest palm, that looks exotic to me, I know as Alexander Palm.

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

March 5, 2012
9:50 PM

Post #9031717

Alexander palms are Archontophoenix alexandrae, they're not as cold tolerant as Archontophoenix cunninghamiana.

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