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I have a wonderful friend from the Housplants forum who introduced me to this DG forum. He said that i would enjoy it, and im sure i will... Seems like there are some great people here and i am looking forward to learning from all of you as well as contributing some things that i have learned on the way... (Thanks Al, for sending me here!!!) : )
My name is Laura, im from Virginia Beach, Virginia. I love to grow Plumeria, Palms, C & S and citrus as well.. I do like to grow in AL's Gritty mix and also love the reasoning behind his ideas on soils and containers. I have had great success in the gritty mix and i hope to share some of my success stories with you and also find some other answers that i have been looking for from all of you here!!!
Here is a pic that i thought was a beauty...its my J -105 Thai variety...I hope you like it!!!
Have a Merry Christmas everyone...This is my first post here on this forum, so i hope im doing everything right..LOL..
that bloom is absolutly gorgeous! May I ask where you got the cutting? I am new to growing plumerias, and now have 6- 3 white, 1 yellow a pink and a ?. none have bloomed yet but I have hopes for this year. I live in Charleston, SC and brought them into the sunroom when the temps started to drop. They have lost a few leaves but are still putting on growth so maybe this will be a jump start to next spring.
If you can recall where you got that fantastic plant I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Susan
I have 30+ plants and are being overwintered in our sun room and garage. I was advised by Dutch lady to remove all the leaves because of aphids problems 2 years ago. i had not had any problem since.
some of my plants had not bloomed yet.
I too is interested where Loveplants got the the plant.
J 105 aka New Shocking, Josie, Norma Christina. JJ. 2.5" to 3" wide open, flat and uniquely colored flowers of good substance. Petals heavily
overlapping, white with purple and golden-brown, turning to orange at center. Fragrance: sweet, medium, Leaves: medium to dark green, wider towards
tip. Unique coloration. White with dark pink or red area, turning to yellow and orange towards base. Leaves are broad elliptical with pointed tip. Compact
growth habit. Shiny, very thick rounded leaves and beautiful, scented flowers, semi-compact growth and excellent blooming performance. Creamy White
Petals with Red - Purple edges and orange center. Fragrant peachy. Fantastic 3-4” blooms, semi-compact tree form, and dense, shiny foliage this has
been called perhaps the ideal plumeria. Scent: medium floral. Huge 4-5”+ bloom, wide petals, overlapping, orange with mottled burgundy streaking in
petals. Stunning, orange red flowers with rolled back edges. Gorgeous colors with pink-violet 3" to 4" and dense clusters. Wide petals, one side of each
petal twisted toward the petal base. More intense pink color spreading over the petals, and turn into intense violet color at the rim. Moderate
overlapping, golden / yellow center. Mild and sweet fragrance with good keeping quality. Large awesome flowers are abundant over a well shaped
compact semi dwarf tree. Unbelievable color combo of yellow, orange, pink and white. Very cool bloom, large and the petals as hard- no flex at all, look
like wax. Petals reflex back a day or so after they open. slightly late bloomer..it likes to bloom real close to the season end. Early bloomer in florida.
Blooms stay on plant a long time.
Desert Sunrise aka J71, Jack 71, M71. JJ compact habit, and the shading and striation on the flowers is gorgeous. Very grainy. Colors have changed
from the heat to a solid orange with red veining. Gets huge clusters of super grainy orange and pink flowers. 3 “ or bigger. Medium short. Can bloom on
Taj Mahal #367 Similar to 'Dane'. Great bloomer with nice form. Super compact grower, or not - Growth habit:: medium Scent:: light floral. Bright red
color on the end of the petal, yellow on the center and sometimes has a touch of orange color, petal curl upward and pointed tips, red color on tight
buds, very different and unusual color pattern. Hook on end of leaf. Drops flower buds. yellow pink flowers, 2 ½ – 3”. If you love Pagoda shaped blooms
than you'll love this one. Medium short growth habit. Good bloomer, sends out new inflos on short tips. Will drop buds if stressed. Fast grower and
blooms on short tips.
Dane JL not Thai Dane. yellow with red pointed layered edges sometimes 6 to 7 petals. The flowers are extraordinary - a deep gold in the center that
goes through the petals, green veining when it first opens and changes to a vibrant red. Each petal curls inward to form a pointed tip. Upright growth
habit with beautiful, full flower heads and a light sweet papaya fragrance. Must have heat to bloom correctly. Named after JL's grandson. Very fast
growing. Recommended. Needs heat to bring out colors. Heat lover.
Thanks for the information on the Plumies that i mentioned above. You seem to have wonderful notes on your trees!! I like the info on the J-105. That was more info then i had in my notes on this particular variety. It is fun to have such information on these beauties. My notes really come in handy when im looking to buy new ones... : ) Which is all of the time!!!
Thank you for the welcome!!!
Here is another bloom for you all...
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Cornish..i will send an email to my friend in CA this week and i will get back to you. Thanks for the D mail!!!
hi laura. i should have mentioned that these are notes from diana's plumeria compilation. i have the latest edition and can email it to you as a PDF. here is her disclaimer.
Plumeria compilation – how and why
Disclaimer – this document is a compilation from many internet sources, plus friend's personal opinions, websites such as the PSA, vendor sites (hyperbole removed), forums (hyperbole retained), and personal observations. These notes are intended for my personal use and are distributed for free to the plumeria community. Whenever possible, I included links to other information to prevent direct copies of publications, although I do sometimes paraphrase the content for easier reading. In the future, I'll include more source links. Planned additions” The cultivar section will get blooming factors such as determinate/indeterminate, and bloom season.
Temperatures, growing conditions, nutrients, age, soil types, etc. affect the color, size and fragrance. I do not attempt to vet information for accuracy, and sometimes you will see repetitive comments which are deliberately included. On occasion this information conflicts, and may be due to more that one plant using the same name. Otherwise, it's simply because results may vary.
There's a complementary ‘shoe box’ of cultivation notes that is unorganized.
Additions and corrections welcome …dd
i added slaughter pink to my collection after seeing the notes on it in dd's compilation. i used to think it was just too plain. two friends confirmed what the compilation had to say about SP. in fact, i bought a beefy cutting of SP from one of those friends.
Had all of mine in the sunroom till I noticed aphids on 2 of them so cut the leaves and set them on the workbench in the garage-its not cold out there but cooler than the house. They had only dropped a few leaves so was hoping to get blooms early but I was afraid the aphids would spread to other plants ( I have plant cuttings rooting everywhere). These plumerias have only been rooted for a year now, never knew I could grow them here until I stumbled on the forum-occarol sent me 4 from California and my son sent 2 from Hawaii- he is stationed there and thats where I first fell in love with them. Anyway, heres hoping I will get blooms this year- Happy New Year Susan
i had problems with aphids 2 years ago on my plumeria which were in our sun room and it infected a lot of my plants. Go ahead and remove all the leaves because aphids are underneath the leaves, Spray with diluted neem oil, kind of pricey but so far no aphid problem for the last 2 years.
i recently treated my hoyas for an aphid infestation. i did not trim the leaves. i just sprayed the entire plants with horitcultural oil. the aphids looked like this before i sprayed. the next day they were all blackish brown and dead.
hi laura! glad you recv'd the update. mine are inside now. i have some on the in the south-facing sliding glass door and window. they have inflos and should be blooming next month. the rest have the leaves trimmed off and and are further from the window but some are trying to wake up. i will be taking the ones with leaves outside to spray with horticultural oil just in case the spider mites haves started up. i use horticultural oil during the winter. i am surprised by now that it hasn't caught on in plumeria culture.
here is a pic of some of the plumies right before i trimmed leaves off of some of them.
will try the horticultural oil-that way I can bring them back into the house and maybe get some early blooms. Will the leaves grow back where I cut them off or just start growing at the top?This is all new to me. Thanks, Susan
I also trim some of my leaves before i bring them in during the winter. November is the time for me when i prune ( cut the leaves) about half of my collection. The other half stays with their leaves on and i place some under my light set up and some around that area. It seems different varieties drop leaves and react differently to the dormancy cycle. Some really want to stay alert!! LOL.. I do trim only because of space problems that i have.. Some of my special varieties i keep active under lights. Penang Peach is pushing an inflo now, but im afraid that it wont have much color like it would in the summer with the heat. I wish that i could have stopped it!!! : )
Ok, i going to show some in my backroom..i know they look funny..but they all like the comfort of one another.. : )
They also can chat when they are lonely!!! Some people like to leave the leaves on, i do realize that its best for the trees to leave them on and let them drop naturally. But space is the problem. I have done this for some time with great results.
I dont have problems with aphids, but spider mites... YES. : ( I use Bayer 3 in 1 at times with good results. Neem oil is also one that i like to use. Definately in the fall and winter. Last summer, when i sprayed during the am, i made the mistake (with the 3 in 1 ) and thought it was going to be a cloudyday, but the sun came out and i fried some of my leaves...needless to say, i was bummed. They did manage to jump back quickly, but next time i will make sure its going to be a day without sunshine and not 90 degrees.. DUH...
Thanks for the info Tuscon Plumeriaz!!! Good stuff!
Belle, Thank you for the info as well.. i will check out that site.. : ) So you bare root yours? Glad to hear they do well in our area. I haven't tried to bare root any. Do you have pics of yours? I'd really love to see them!!!
ill get the info for the J -105 to you soon!!! Same to you Belle!!!! via d mail...
I will take pictures soon, just too busy right now with the holidays. Our G-son is leaving for BYU for Neuroscience and you can not imagine how excited we are!! We gave him dinner here at home and cooked all the dishes he enjoys. There were 8 of us.
Your plants are huge and appears healthy. One thing I did not like when i left the leaves drop naturally is it left a sticky residue on the sun room floor. It took several hours to get rid of it after the room got vacated.
Laura, that is one big mass of plumerias. What I had on the plants were spider mites, not aphids. Had kept one that I did not cut the leaves and wiped it down top to bottom. Sorry now that I cut the leaves on the others.
Question- I have 1 that started as a 3" broken tip from trees a lady has downtown Charleston. They had just been put outside from wherever she kept them and I guess it got broken. Asked and she gave it to me. This little 3" grew to 2 1/2 ft. with no branches. Can I cut it down by half to force branching? and when would be the best time to do this? Thanks, Susan
What a wonderful time to be sharing this great news with your GS. I know you and your family are so pround!! Congratulations!!!!
Enjoy your time with your family!!!
I agree that it is a pain to keep picking up the leaves, but it does keep me close to the trees and keep a watch on what is happening with them. Sometimes ii think i am doing the "mother hen thing" to much. This isnt good for most plants if we keep fussing over them, but i really enjoy keeping ann eye on them. I just have to make sure dont kill them with kindness! : )
That is wonderful that you had success with rooting a piece that was only 3 inches? WOW!!! COngratulations. Most would never even try to root something that small. I did root one piece from a Lavender Plumie that broke off from my tree and i was so upset about the break. I did root it and it did great!!! It was a very special tree and i gave it to my best friend!!! : ) It is doing quite well now!!! SOme say that 6 inches is the limit, but i always will give it a try... i say.. "Why not!!"
As far as cutting your 3 1/2 foot tree. You could always cut the tree down by half and force branching, yes.. But you will also loose that chance for an inflo on a tree with some age and on the older stem. Once you have an inflo, it will naturally form other branches. Some times it can be two, three tips. i have seen one of mine bloom and not form another tip. Only to continue the single stem. Usually i have three to four tips occur when an inflo forms. If it were me, i would not cut the stem and wait until summer to see if you might have a beautiful inflo. Does it bother you that it is tall and skinny? Do you support it when it has all of the leaves? I have some trees that are around 7 feet tall and have multiple branches. I stagger prune these because of the chances of seeing inflos. They do grow tall, remember they are trees!! : ) The ones that i have in the backroom I will trim in early March. Just before they are ready to head back outside for the spring. I dont let them see tems below 45*. So i wait until the nights can be above those temps. Others will let them go down to lower temps, but i dont like to take that chance. That's just me!!!
Those are a bunch in the backroom, they are still showing sign of activity as well. I keep that room closed off from the rest of the house and keep the heat off in that room. The blinds are closed as well. The others that i have are still active. They are dropping some leaves, but they are more alert than the others. I have to watch the ones under llights for the mites.
If you do decide to cut the stem down and try to root this. You may even have an inflo form from the cutting while rooting. If it is ready to start to push an inflo before you cut the tree, it will continue to bloom. Some decide to cut the inflo off of the cutting to let the energy focus on rooting. Some leave it there if lleaves and forming at the same time as the inflo.
It is a big decision to cut you tree if it is large, but IMO... i would let it be and give it the chance to put on a beautiful show for you this summer!!!
Hope this helps...
Sun, heat, soil, water , fertilizer all play a large roll in the production of inflos.
BTW it actually grew 22" from late March last year. The plumeria in back was sent to me by occarol and that grew like gangbusters also. That one I didn't get around to cutting the leaves, thank heavens
Dont worry about cutting the leaves off of the large tree, they will start to push new leaves sooner than you think.
The smaller tree looks really healthy too and looks like it does here in the summer !!! : )
Very healthy indeed! Congratulations!!! You are doing a great job with your trees!!!
I.m glad that you might decide to leave the tree. Your chances of an inflo will be much greater this summer. It takes a few years sometimes to finally see inflos, but with the growth of that beauty...you may see them this summer!!! I would keep it as is... : ) Start to fertilize early in the spring...
During the summer when mine get really tall and top heavy, i tie them to the railing of my deck. Or put a stake into the pot and tie it up so they are stable.
Sometimes if i have them on the ground. i will take a piece of rebar and pound it through the container into the ground to keep the wind from tipping the container over. (i tie the stem to the rebar) I also sink my pots into the ground during the heat of the summer. In the pic above you can see that i put the black container in another container with mulch around. I did this just when the temps were around 100. i didnt want the roots to get that hot. My deck faces the west and it gets smoking hot out there. I also sink pots into the ground to protect them as well.
Laura, Thanks for the e-mail addy for your California lady. I want to let her know I am interested in your j-105 plus whatever else she has. I have gotten so adicted to these beauties.
Know what you mean by heat- last summer was unbelievable here and now we have lost the tree that shaded our patio area-was badly storm damaged and to close to the house. The plus side is that now I have an area to make the herb bed I have wanted for years.
The other thing I was concerned about was that single trunk P. that it is so thin- if it keeps getting taller it may snap off- do you think it will get beefier as it gets older.
Wish I could find a good reference book for plumerias- I bought the Jim Little book but it is mostly pictures. If anyone knows of such a book I'd love to know.
As i look back at your tall Plumeria, its still green and young. So i definately wouldnt cut on green wood. Only hardened off wood so, yes it will thickened up in time. Just give it support when the leaves start to grow or you can even stake it now and then restake it later it thats not enought support.
Your trees look great.
Some books that i like are:
The handbook on Plumeria Culture By Richard & Mary Helen Eggenberger
Growing Plumerias in Hawaii and around the world by Jim Little
Im sure you could find others..
My friend Bud Guillot has some brochures that can be bought through the SC Plumeria Society in Southern California. Iff you would like i could get you the address for this too! He is very knowledgable in the Plumeria world and is one nice man!!!
Happy New Year!!
I tried to post a pic of my Guillots Sunset...but my computer is not being nice...
laura and susan - ladies, your plumies are looking very nice!
i think that the excessive heat and the need to keep them watered can cause to much growth in my case. i am trying to cut back on watering them during the summer but it is so dry here. be happy for the humidity!
I can only imagine what kind of heat you have out there in AZ. I bet you stay in the triple digits most months (July August?) i have triple digits only for a few weeks and that is enough for me and the Plumies. I have to water every day during that time. I can go away (work reasons) for a couple of days and when i come home,, the first thing i do is check on the trees! My hubby just gives me the look and smiles.. he knows that they mean everything to me!! : )
You can see them perk right up after i give them just a little to help them adjust from the lack of water during those months that are way to hot! You are right, we do have the humidity and that does help. But when you walk outside and cant breath..LOL that is when we wishh for fall!
How do your trees react when you try and cut back on the watering?
I also forgot to mention that your trees look great!! It looks like you and I store them the same way!!!
hi laura! i hope that the new year is off to a great start for you and all of my other plumie pals here on dave's garden. thanks for the compliment. i do enjoy a plumie or two or three...haha!
the plumies did okay when i did not water them every day. however, the soil was another problem. it was hard to hydrate after drying out. what a pain! using fabric pots made it even worse. i will have to come up with something better this year. hmmm...