The Bugs That Ate Monsanto - New Info

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

Grist reports that the EPA is acknowledging the rise of Bt and Roundup-resistant insects in Monsanto crops; EPA scientists are insisting that Monsanto implement a "remedial action plan" - but will they?

http://www.grist.org/industrial-agriculture/2011-12-13-the-bugs-that-ate-monsanto

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

GG - not if they can buy there way out of such a plan!

Here's some history about Monsanto:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

Oh, I'm familiar with Monsanto. I just hope the EPA will stick to their guns; they so often don't.

Glassboro, NJ

who run's the EPA...??? any guesses...

West Palm Beach, FL(Zone 10b)

This graphic explains the cryonysm going on - the head of the EPA is a former Monsanto lackey.

Thumbnail by SoFlaCommercial
Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

My family is seriously thinking about moving back to Europe!

http://www.pan-europe.info/Archive/Banned%20and%20authorised.htm

Swansea, SC(Zone 8b)

I urge all of you to check out the Mother Earth News website on all the information about Monsanto! Find the petition to sign to protect the small farmers and big farmers from Monsanto! They are bad, bad, bad, bad. Can you imagine being sued because your crops have been cross-pollinated with Monsanto GMO crops and Monsanto suing you for patent infringements? What a crock!
I think Monsanto and GMO crops are the bane to the small gardener and large farmers of this country. They don't help quality of life, they wreck it!

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

Honeybee, Europe does permit GMO crops, though. Specific countries like France don't allow them, but others do.

Glassboro, NJ

Greenhouse ...they have recently been banned from seven other Euro Nation's...I have been deleted here twice so far not looking for a third... so I'll stop there, there also banned in Mexico...

Greensboro, AL

MrPappyG: I hate to see your posts deleted, but the Sustainable Forum deals with topics often that get close to political discussions. Don't know why but political discussions get slashed. So just stick to the facts and concerns to gardeners so we can see all your posts!

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

GG - my brother and sister-in-law have already sold their home (in England) and are moving to France next week. It'll probably be a couple of years before we can follow them.

Greensboro, AL

What a shame that we can't just stake out parts of our own country to be GMO free. We can't all move to Europe, and there are other downsides besides the cost. You know once we were so proud of this country and its ability to grow safe healthy food. I still remember Victory Gardens. Where I am in W. Alabama there is still a predominance of rural folk, raised on corn, black eye peas, and mustard greens.

It is not unusual to see 100 + year olds pushing carts in the grocery store.

Im not giving up yet on the USA.

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

Honybee, where are they moving to in France? And are you busy learning French yourselves?

Gloria, that's heartening but this country is still very frustrating if you're trying to avoid certain subtances and practices....

Greensboro, AL

greenhouse gal: still the bottom line of what is available in any (non dictatorship) market is supply and demand. If the people demand clean air, fewer toxins, and healthy food they will get it eventually.

Recently a Walmart produce manager said to me "the future is organics". Walmart is trying to shape-up.
I can't see that they have accomplished that yet, but they say they are trying.

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

GG -

Quoting:
Honybee, where are they moving to in France? And are you busy learning French yourselves?


They are moving to Lourdes (Midi-Pyrénées) with the plan to purchase their own B&B business. My sister-in-law is a native German, and also speaks English, French and Spanish.

My hubby knows French and German, my daugther knows Spanish. I can only speak English.

I think between the lot of us we have it covered! LOL

Growing vegetables is probably the same in any language ^^_^^

So.App.Mtns., United States(Zone 5b)

In Europe, regulations state that all food and animal feed containing more than 0.5 percent GM ingredients are required to have strict labeling and traceability, and many supermarkets proudly boast the fact that they don't sell GM foods.

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

Honeybee, we have friends in the Aude and the Dordogne; we love the south of France! I don't know the Midi-Pyrenées though.

Darius and Gloria, labelling is the key. We can't vote with our wallets if we're not told what's in the food so we can make that choice. Unfortunately the FDA isn't willing to impose that obligation on food producers, using the cop-out that there is no difference between GMO and non-GMO so labels aren't necessary.

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

GG - my brother is an avid cyclist and enters many competitive races. He also loves to garden. I think he's hoping to marry the two! He and his wife are both vegetarians so they are planning to purchase a home with a large gardening area.

The Midi-Pyrénées is quite mountainous from what I can gather.

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

I think that would include the Aude department, and yes, it's very mountainous. In the recent snows the little peaks were closed to traffic. We have driven them often and would not want to do that if there were any ice or snow!

The vegetable gardens in France are wonderful; they should love it!

Greensboro, AL

Unfortunately, with GMOs you have to assume that it is, unless there is a specific statement that the product contains no GMOs.

http://opposingdigits.com/forums/post-62.html

Actually most GMOs and also high fructose corn syrup are in things that you shouldn't be eating anyway if you care about your health.

So.App.Mtns., United States(Zone 5b)

Monsanto corn: coming soon to a Wal-Mart near you
http://sumofus.org/campaigns/walmart-monsanto/

Glassboro, NJ

I love this post, I work diligently to try to stop this, Monsanto is the most Heinous Corporation in the world...when I started working on this four years ago nobody even had an Idea who or What I was talking about, I'm glad to see it's come this far. They were stopped once in 1996, for selling GMO Tomato's and Corn to unsuspecting Farmer's, Kind of Curious that was the year when a lot of "FOOD" ALLERGIES", showed up, Monsanto was forced to label, and no one bought they're seed, a few Years Later all they needed was a friend in the White House and they got that, and here we are.

West Palm Beach, FL(Zone 10b)

Okay, so totally NOT trying to get too political here (politics is too toxic), but OMG - I just found out that Monsanto actually has a 40%-80% market share of the HOME VEGETABLE MARKET! Check out this link for dealers. There's also a 'products' tab which lists the actual names of the varieties of seeds that they have developed. I had no clue!

http://us.seminis.com/products/hg_dealer.asp

There some favorites like san marzano which although they are not GMO, that particular variety is owned by Monsanto. So now, I have to totally go over my tomatogrowers.com catalog and re-figure everything out what I'm going to buy - dangit!

Efland, NC(Zone 7a)

Whoa, now, SoFla...

I think you are confusing Hybrid veggies with being part of the devil's workshop. No need to fear. As for your preference to San Marzano, the hybrid version is Super Marzano; don't buy it if you are looking to save seeds.

As for looking at your favored seed suppliers, if you see a hybrid and it worries you, don't buy it. Tomato Grower's Supply list products as OP, heirloom, or hybrid so that should not be an issue, just read their description.

As for other companies listed, those don't mean they sell GMO products either, better to check the Safe Seed Pledge for companies if you want the real scoop.

And yes, Monsanto does own a large share of the vegetable seeds available, this is why so many of us are alerting others to either buy OP or from SSP companies or to encourage seed saving so we can maintain a diverse seed supply.

Shoe

So.App.Mtns., United States(Zone 5b)

Good points about OP seeds, and those vendors who use the SSP, Shoe!

Boulder CO bans GM crops on county-owned land
http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/boulder-co-bans-gm-crops-on-county-owned-land/

Greensboro, AL

Here is Seed Savers' Safe Seed Pledge Page:

http://www.seedsavers.org/Content.aspx?src=Copy%20[2]%20of%20aboutus.htm

Seed Savers has been an advocate for heirloom seeds for quite a while now.

Safe Seed Pledge Page for Italian Seed & Tool company.

http://www.italianseedandtool.com/category/italian_seed_and_tool.your_safety.safe_seed_pledge/



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Efland, NC(Zone 7a)

darius, that is the best and most hopeful, and helpful article of good news I've read regarding GMO in the U.S. Thanks!

Shoe

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

ditto what Shoe wrote.

annapolis, MD(Zone 7b)

Monsanto inaddition to holding patents on seeds and owning seed companies, they have begun to invest in and acquire honeybee biogenetic technology companies .

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9Q1M0UO0.htm

So.App.Mtns., United States(Zone 5b)

Yeah, and that's been awhile. I haven't heard anything new.

Right now the country of India is suing Monsanto, a first. In my opinion it's about time... with multiple thousands of farmer suicides over GMO cotton. (This lawsuit doesn't address that fact.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EHUp21Qw2A

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

Maybe the world is waking up, Darius.

So.App.Mtns., United States(Zone 5b)

Here's a Flashback that's really funny...

Flashback: GM food banned in Monsanto canteen
https://www.sott.net/articles/show/238831-Genetically-Modified-Foods-Not-Served-in-Monsanto-Cafeteria

Southern NJ, United States(Zone 7a)

That's an old article, but I love it anyway!

West Palm Beach, FL(Zone 10b)

i wasn't saying any of those seeds were GMO's - just stating that many varieties of seeds, whether they're OP/Hybrid are actually owned by Seminis, which is owned by Monsanto, that's all.

it's just them hedging their bets. they realize that there's a niche in 'non-gmo' seeds, so they're buying certain varieties of 'regular' seed so they can still make money. It's like a dairy farmer who milks cows also getting a whole bunch of goats because he realizes that some people like goat's milk.

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