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DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 19, 2012
4:08 AM

Post #9011725

I am wondering - what are your favorite seed companies?

I usually buy from http://jlhudsonseeds.net/ and http://www.ivygarth.com/

Here are some of the things I have grown from seed>

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bartjestuin
gieten
Netherlands

February 19, 2012
8:07 AM

Post #9011957

i have alot of seeds from the dg member jonna sudenius from belgium her website http://www.seedsite.eu
she have alot good and also cheap seeds

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 20, 2012
4:24 PM

Post #9013872

I also love Jonna's site, http://www.seedsite.eu/

And:

Asian Seeds:
http://www.tainongseeds.com/ (very large pkts for $2 . Many varieties within their Asian-farmer-market specialty)
http://www.kitazawaseed.com/ (large pkts, reasonable prices, great Asian variety & detailed descriptions)
http://www.ethaigrocer.ecrater.com/ (they have water spinach from Thailand & some low prices but ship slowly)


Large Packets, large variety:
http://www.hazzardsgreenhouse.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=Hazwho

Crops, with great advice in catalogs & on website:
http://www.territorialseed.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

Flowers, especially unusual:
http://www.botanicalinterests.com/products?
http://rareseeds.com/shop/ (Baker Creek, lovely paper catalog)

Also:

ttp://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/BulkVeg.htm
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds.htm
[HYPERLINK@www.superseeds.com] (Pinetree)
http://www.victoryseeds.com/
http://stores.theseedking.com/StoreFront.bok

BossMareNY6a
Brewster, NY
(Zone 6a)

February 20, 2012
6:35 PM

Post #9014061

O man, this is a great thread! New sites to research! I like these that haven't been mentioned yet:

Swallowtail Garden Seeds
Thompson & Morgan
Seeds of Change (organic veg seed)
Renee's Garden
Prairie Moon Nursery (natives, by seed or plant)

Also throwing this question into the mix:
Other than DG and Gardenweb, what other websites do you utilize for seed trading?

~Kerry

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 20, 2012
7:42 PM

Post #9014155

>> what other websites do you utilize for seed trading?

Cubits, for just one swap - the annual "Hog Wild Piggy Swap".
- - - - http://cubits.org/ellasgarden/thread/view/67047/
Oink oink, grunt grunt SQUEAL! My favorite.

And may I mention Heather's Tomato & Pepper swap? (hmacdona from Calgary)

She contacts several websites, but I learned of it through the DG seed trading forum:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1216991/






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DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 21, 2012
4:01 AM

Post #9014296

Rick & Kerry,

Thanks. I can see I will be busy surfing the Web for new sources.

I have a few clients that really love the exotic flowering plants and I am willing to take the time to grow things from seed that aren't available from the traditional wholesalers around here.

Things that I do (or have seen)>

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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 21, 2012
11:18 AM

Post #9014760

Nice Salvia!
Inthegarden
Beaumont, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 21, 2012
11:46 AM

Post #9014777

Dale, lovely flowers...how's those Dancing ladies doing?

I just got several varieties of tomato seeds from wintersown.org for postage.





yadavgard
Vashon, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 21, 2012
2:56 PM

Post #9015011

What do you guys think about Park Seed?

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 21, 2012
4:24 PM

Post #9015105

I don't like them, but that's just opinion.

I recall seeing fewer specific names in their catalog, as if I had to guess at the exact species or cultivar. I don;t recall them being very forthcoming about OP vs. hybrid, but that may be false memory. Their seed pkts have zero information, and the catalog very little (compare to Johnnies or Territorial).

Any time I do a price comparison, they are over-priced and the pkts are small.

They just don;t seem to be a gardener's friend, more of a profit-machine.
And they certainly are part of the "discard all heirlooms, make them buy hybrids" movement.

Poor selection:

The only "variety" that I ever see from them is not interesting, real, named cultivars that are hard to find, they are suspiciously-ambiguously-named "Parks Specials" that might be old or new varieties, hybrid or OP, under a marketing name that menas nothing.

But this is opinion. Many people buy from them.

I just think that, if they tried almost any other vendor, they would not go back.
If I'm looking at the right company in the garden watchdog, their reviews are about 50-50.

yadavgard
Vashon, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 21, 2012
8:26 PM

Post #9015374

Thanks much for your opinion! I am a new gardener and I am just venturing out so all this information is very helpful!!
I am going to check out Johnnies and Territorial for sure!!

evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

February 21, 2012
9:53 PM

Post #9015424

I will be the last person in the world to defend large corporations especially seed companies, and in general, I do agree with Corey. The companies charge high prices with limited selections, and promote the purchase of hybrid seeds, which generally do not come true to the parent plant. This is how they stay in business, by creating new varieties for us to admire and want.

That being said, what I DO like about Park Seed is their paper catalog and the listing of all the seeds that are available for the season with codes as to their detailed instructions on how to sow each seed packet. Also (most of) the packets have quite detailed germination info. It is on the next page after the middle of the catalog.

One must take into consideration as to what you are buying and how much you actually need. Don't hesitate to shop the sales and get on the mailing lists, at least for the time that you plan to make any purchases. And as Corey stated, don't forget the many trades and swaps that are available in order to save you money and you also have a chance to share what you have. It is possible to shop for price and quality as well.

I DID get some potato seeds from Park Seed. Yes, seeds...not seed potatoes. And some are up already. Very few seed houses, large or small carry those. All the rest I have were from trades.

For hard-to-get items I like Chiltern Seeds, but they are not cheap. They are located in England. You have to pay for the exchange rate plus the shipping from the UK, but sometimes it is worth it if there is something no one else has, and you feel that you must have it.

http://www.chilternseeds.co.uk

And for price J.L.Hudson

http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net

I do like some of those that have been mentioned already...

Swallowtail Seeds
Thompson & Morgan
Seeds of Change

And Pinetree Seeds

http://www.superseeds.com

Some seed houses carry "treated" seeds on their veggies. Be sure to specify that you don't want them, if that is what you want to do. Some of them will have it stated, and sometimes, not.

I compare prices in all the catalogs and then make lists and see which have the best prices for the seeds that I want. Right now I am on a seed-buying hiatus, until I am able to get my (seed-buying) habit under control.LOL!!! It is like going on a diet but all the luscious food is just waiting for you to eat...what to do!!!



scbuttercup
(Judy) Simpsonville, SC
(Zone 8a)

February 22, 2012
3:52 AM

Post #9015497

I am a new fan of Park Seed. Their prices are less than other places I've ordered from, like Territorial Seed or Seeds of Change. Mainly when I order from Park or any other catalog it's to get my annual vegetable seeds; Park has a great variety of veggies and fruits. My order, which came in earlier this month, was on time with no substitutions.
Note: I live a few counties away so I see the news about Park.
The story is they were sold a few years ago to big out of state investor who also bought jackson perkins. Drove them into bankruptcy. Reorganized last year with a local management group and financial problems are being resolved. I avoided them during the troubled years and this year took a chance and ordered from then. I had an excellent experience.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 22, 2012
10:45 AM

Post #9015933

Maybe I dealt with them at their very worst, and they've improved since. I haven't bought from them in about 2-3 years.

If their prices are better than Hazzards, Territorial, or Johnnies, they must have started giving much bigger pkts than they used to.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

February 22, 2012
11:58 AM

Post #9016010

Par Seeds ~ They are lower on some items, and higher on others. You just have to compare all the seeds that you want and go from there. I did not say they were better or worse, but I have had a good experience with them. In fact the order before that, I received an empty packet, and they refunded my money immediately, since they did not have the seeds to replace them. Also they advertised a deer spray that should have read $26.99 and it was advertised at $6.99. I bought 4 of them and they honored the pricing error, but I noticed the website changed the price the next day.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 22, 2012
2:24 PM

Post #9016175

Speaking of errors, "B & T World Seeds" in France advertised Stachys lavandulifolia as being in srtock and accepted my order, which i asked them to ship diretcly to someone in Belgium.

Nothing happened for weeks, so I asked when their expected ship date was. Eventually they figured out that they had lost my order, and/or they were out of stuck, but would ship it in 6 weeks.

More time passed, nothing happened, nothing was said. I asked again.

"Still waiting for fresh seed". I wonder if that means next Fall, or in some future year?

Anyway, they seem not to have billed my credit card, and hopefully won't bill me until they figure out how a _business_ operates.

It seems odd that they CAN lose an order when it's entered online, but I guess anything is possible. And eveidently running out of something doesn;t trigger them to update it as "out of stock" online. They wait for a customer to complain that he didn't recieve the order, instead??

Maybe I'm just a grumpy ex-New Jerseyite who complains about everything.

My loyalty goes to places like Tainong seeds, no matter how small they are, or how 'small-time" their website looks, because they do what they said they would, or they let me know what's happening. And, within their speiclaization, they have a GREAT variety of varieties.

(I also like the fact that, since they specialize in Asian seeds, they first answer the phone in Mandarin and then switch to English if needed. It just seems like a plus, like an Italian restaurant with an Italian chef.)

And even though their main clientel is pro growers, they are totally patient with my questions, and often respond to an email with a phone call.

And their $2 "small pkt" is around 3 grams of seed! Always with a dated germination test.

Also, all praise to them, they obviously do NOT repackage old seeds and call it "Packed For 2012". I asked for one special hybrid, and they called me to say they only had last year's batch left, and thoguh the germination and vigor OUGHT to be excellent for at least two more years, they hadn't re-tested it yet. But if I wanted two pkts for the price of one, that was fine, or they would suggest a few similar substitutes.

Five stars for customer service!

(I'm not an employyee or stockholder, and this was not a paid endorsement!.)
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

February 22, 2012
3:59 PM

Post #9016310

I buy seed every year from JL Hudson.

I think Park is still a little expensive.

I had forgotten all about Chiltern - I will have to go there now.

Winter flowers in Florida>

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

February 22, 2012
9:05 PM

Post #9016657

Beautiful gardens, Dale!
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

February 23, 2012
10:22 PM

Post #9017882

Has anyone here purchased seeds from T's Flowers? They are only $1.00 a pack! Except for Pinetree Seeds, I hardly ever see prices that low.

Here's the link:

http://www.tsflowers.com

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jjacques

jjacques
LE TAMPON
Reunion (French)

February 23, 2012
10:47 PM

Post #9017886

I guess I am not supposed to self-advertise but as a member-writer of DG and running my own one-person seed producing 'company' I probably can add my pinch of salt with http://www.barbadine.com
ordairygirl
Nyssa, OR
(Zone 6a)

February 24, 2012
5:19 PM

Post #9018842

These are my three favorite so far in terms of variety, price, size and customer service.
http://www.selectseeds.com
http://www.sampleseeds.com
http://www.dianeseeds.com

All offer lots of open pollinated, heirloom and unique varieties. Super fast shipping as well.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 25, 2012
4:36 PM

Post #9019955

>> variety, price, size and customer service.
>> open pollinated, heirloom and unique

Is Baker Creek a runner-up on your list? I can't make a very extensive copmparison, but I think they should get pretty good grades on having some unusual OP heirloom varieties. And great photos in their paper catalog!

As far as price and size go, I saw a huge range when I ordered from them. They advertise pkts with "at least" a very small number of seeds. Then they sent some pkts with 10-15 TIMES as many seeds, and a few pkts with just 10-15 % extra.



ordairygirl
Nyssa, OR
(Zone 6a)

February 25, 2012
5:44 PM

Post #9020021

Corey- I've looked at Baker Creek's website and haven't ordered from them yet. Really its the only website that I've looked at and not ordered from. Oh no, now I'm going to have to go look again =) A local non-profit is doing a fundraiser through Territorial seed, so I need to look through their seeds as well. I'm going to have to send it to a different mailing address because my husband keeps asking "do you really need more seed?" =)
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

February 25, 2012
6:04 PM

Post #9020036

has anyone mentioned Ohio Heirloom seeds? very reasonable prices, very reasonable postage (one low rate no matter how many packets you buy i think it was 2.00 or so)

http://davesgarden.com/products/gwd/c/7193/

edited to mention great germination rates




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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 25, 2012
6:43 PM

Post #9020075

>> "do you really need more seed?"

That's just the wrong question! It isn't about need, it's about delight.

Does he "really need" television, or beer, or meat, or a computer?
Come to think of it, would he really want you asking yourself if you "really need" him?

Not all questions "really need" to be asked or answered.
It's better than bringing home excess quantities of younger men, liquor or drugs.

Of course, my opinion about what is "enough seeds" is very suspect. I keep bringing home bigger boxes from work so that I can say that my seed collection "mostly fits in one box". But now I either need a bigger door so I can bring in a bigger box, or it's about to become "two boxes".

If civilization completely and totally collapses around us, our vegetable and herb seeds will become very valuable. They're "investments"!

evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

February 25, 2012
8:14 PM

Post #9020161

Still sorting...I have too many, and I will probably just give you the duplicates, as I will want to try every seed packet in there unless I have extras of the same one. (And some are just too old...I actually threw some out...)

I have been sowing "like mad", though just getting back into the swing of things, as I am getting over bronchitis, and now the weather is turning colder and windy. I was thinking that spring was already here since we have had such a mild winter. I haven't even done much of the winter sowing, as it was so warm. Now I am used to the warmer weather and don't want to go outside...I have even had to water a couple of times. I usually put the hoses away for winter.

Aren't we gardeners a bunch of complainers?
ordairygirl
Nyssa, OR
(Zone 6a)

February 26, 2012
6:02 AM

Post #9020372

Corey-
My thoughts exactly =) I'm actually planning to sell cut flowers and maybe a few veggies at the local farmers market so I'm using the angle of a "business" expense. Since we own the dairy it is the perfect angle because 90% of what we gross goes right back into the cows (that's a good year, we just try to keep it under 100%). Plus, all my seed money comes from my online teaching job which brings more into the household then the dairy at the moment. But, usually I just smile and sneak the packet back to my collection of boxes without bringing all this up.
At least it is a healthy addiction...pack of seeds is only $2 where a bottle of whiskey is $20 and who knows what a pack of cigarettes goes for these days =)

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 26, 2012
5:37 PM

Post #9021157

>> usually I just smile and sneak

My SO told me (back when she was with someone else) that sometimes you "have to" tell people what makes them happy. I'm beginning to see the wisdom of that.

Sometimes I've even been known to say "Yes, Dear" ...

czimmerman00
Elk Horn, KY

February 29, 2012
12:18 PM

Post #9024728

Hazzards seeds
Ivy garth
Botannical interests
are my favorites.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

February 29, 2012
1:53 PM

Post #9024857

Three cheers for Botanical Interests! Many somewhat unusual varieties, and also mixes of different OP varieties (or colors).

Very usefull growing infomation on the insides of pkts. And more information for each variety on their website.

A nursery near me used to have a whole wall of BI seeds, and two years ago marked down any unsold packets at year's end. First to $1, then 50 cents, then 25 cents.

This year, that nursery returned unsold pkts to BI for credit. Then they went out of business!

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DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

March 1, 2012
3:42 AM

Post #9025448

Lots of interesting (and new to me) seed companies.

I wish there were seed sources that specialized in semi-tropical climates, which is where I live.

The companies I have done business with most often are>

My favorite for a decade, best seed value I have ever gotten from a company - these folks http://www.ivygarth.com/

http://brazilplants.com/ has many seeds that do well in the tropics

http://www.silverhillseeds.co.za/ is the best company for seed from Africa - especially winter growing bulbs

And the search continues...

I grew these, Freesia laxa, from seed>

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

March 11, 2012
4:21 PM

Post #9038513

OMG! My new favorite seed company! I have not yet purchased anything from them yet, but boy, what a selection!

Thanks to perenniallyme... http://www.plant-world-seeds.com
rednyr
Sumter, SC
(Zone 8a)

March 14, 2012
4:28 AM

Post #9042085

I used to live about 45 min. from Park Seed and would visit spring n fall - the only real complaint I ever had about them was the seed count was off on packs - you could truly clean up on their in store sales at 10cents to 50 cents a pack - Also got my heat mat and grow light on clearance there (no complaints on those two items they've been wonderful to have) - Enjoyed seeing their trial gardens for a feel of what a plant at maturity would look like and when the J&P had a rose or bulb sale - they were packed and you got GREAT deals...

This year I have tried http://sampleseeds.com/ and thus far all the tomato's have germ'd with a very high rate so will def. be visiting Remy's site next spring

For herbs I tried http://www.cherrygal.com/ this spring and again, pleased with them all the way around too

I also do a lot of seed trading on Facebook - several 'closed' groups (which is nice because then the mainstream doesn't see your posts etc) Trudi with wintersown.org has a great page and so do several others (seed swappers paradise, thymesquare gardens, seed traders etc) have had really great trades and fun people

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 14, 2012
6:34 PM

Post #9043040

Wowee - I'd be broker than broke if I lived near Park Seed. Worked for a greenhouse myself and never got "deals" because we sold to third party retailers and had to pay full price. O well - sometimes those culled plants were not perfect, but still half price on the clearance rack was the best we could do.

I've gone completely off the deep end - sowed over 70 kinds of seed mostly collected this past year, my first trading year on DG. I still have more - can't count so high - don't know where they will go, but good God the garden will be spectacular. :D

Thanks for sharing your seed sources. I am taking good notes.

A.

woodspirit1

woodspirit1
Lake Toxaway, NC
(Zone 7a)

March 16, 2012
7:45 AM

Post #9044791

John Scheeper's, known for bulbs, has had seeds for sale for a few years now and they seem to be quality.
lorasgarden
West Terre Haute, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 18, 2012
10:40 AM

Post #9087592

I have had good luck this year with Annie's Heirlooms. They sent my order out the same day as ordered, and the seeds germinated beautifully.

http://www.anniesheirlooms.com
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

April 18, 2012
10:00 PM

Post #9088395

That link did not work for me.
lorasgarden
West Terre Haute, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2012
2:57 AM

Post #9088472

evelyn_inthegarden wrote:That link did not work for me.


Sorry! Should be http://www.anniesheirloomseeds.com
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

April 19, 2012
3:27 AM

Post #9088483

I couldn't find a physical location on Annie's website. Where are they located?


Eye candy>

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lorasgarden
West Terre Haute, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2012
10:37 AM

Post #9088962

DaleTheGardener wrote:I couldn't find a physical location on Annie's website. Where are they located?


Eye candy>


After looking through the website for a while and finding nothing, I looked at the return address on my postage envelope (I can be blonde sometimes). They are physically located in Michigan.
lorasgarden
West Terre Haute, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2012
10:39 AM

Post #9088963

I found Annies Heirloom Seeds in the Garden Watchdog section:

Mailing address:
Annies Heirloom Seeds
12123 Darby Rd
Clarksville, Michigan 48815 (United States)
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

October 19, 2012
1:58 PM

Post #9309906

Dale, do you make your own seed starter soil. If so, please share your receipe with us.
risingcreek
sun city, CA
(Zone 9a)

October 20, 2012
8:24 AM

Post #9310452

just a comment, park seeds is owned by monsanto, would not buy a thing from them
mellen1954
New Providence, IA
(Zone 5a)

October 20, 2012
10:02 AM

Post #9310509

Sampleseeds.com is my favorite. Love Remy's tomato varieties, price, shipping, great customer service.
ME
paula_p
Brazoria, TX
(Zone 9b)

October 20, 2012
11:27 AM

Post #9310619

anyone have any opinions on Sustainable Seed Co.?
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

October 20, 2012
11:28 AM

Post #9310620

risingcreek ~ OMG!! I won't buy any more from them either! It's better to support the smaller companies anyway.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

October 21, 2012
1:03 AM

Post #9310992

Besides Botanical Interests, I love Tainong seeds and Kitazawa Seeds (for Asian greens, vegetables and herbs).
Hazzards has pretty good value and BIG packets.
Johnnies and Territorial for crops. Great growing tips!
Baker Creek for heirloom flowers and great photos.
Alplians for rare alpine wildflowers, maybe. They have an amazing seed list, and I placed my first order there recently.
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 21, 2012
4:05 AM

Post #9311033

Peg,

I use bagged soil from Lowe's or HD. Which one I buy depends on the type of seed I am planting, the time of year etc.

Lowe's has a brand called Jungle Growth. It is 'chunky' forest product (wood chips, very fine) and it is very well drained. It dries out quickly in our summer heat.

HD has Lambert's and it is peat based. Stays 'wet' and is very fine in texture. Stays moist all the time, hot or cold weather.

JG is for 'big seeds' like Dwarf Poinciana and Lambert's is for fine seed, like Viola (in winter here).
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I belileve there was a large corporation (like Monsanto) that went to court in India to get a patent on Neem Oil (which has been in use for at least a few hundred years and is not produced in a test tube) so they could collect royalties. I find most large american corporations behaving in a manner that has nothing to do with diversity and enterprise. Life has taken bad turn since our court system has decided to grant patents on plants/seeds that occur naturally.

Lets hope things take a turn towards...

Photos of plant with big seeds>

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

October 21, 2012
3:21 PM

Post #9311482

Dale ~ Did that company get a patent on neem oil? I agree with you on the selfishness of the large corporations. There are only a few of them, but they want to control the world. I wonder if there is just one owner that owns them all? (Evil Monster!!)
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

October 21, 2012
4:57 PM

Post #9311584

Dale, I haven't seen these seed starter mixes at Lowes or HD, but will look again next time I am there.
I have just planted Calandula seeds and Firecracker orn. grass. It has been 3 weeks and no sprouts yet. I am about to try something else. I used potting mix at the bottom half and Jiffy starter mix for the top half of the pot.

I use lots of spagnum peat moss in my pots. I add lime for acidity.

I found another receipe for seed starter... Spagnum,compost,osmacote and peritlite or vermeculite. I added lime for acidity. I am going to try this as an experiment. I have started sifting these and plan on finishing up by the end of the week. I found the seed starter mixes expensive for the amount of soil purchased.

Thanks for your input about seed starter mixes. One diatvantage for me is that Lowes and HD are about 30 miles away.
scbuttercup
(Judy) Simpsonville, SC
(Zone 8a)

October 22, 2012
7:52 PM

Post #9312681

Since I live just an hour from park seed,which was bought out of bankruptcy by a group of private investors,I can tell you it is not a big company. I would like to know where is the proof that it is owned by Monsanto. Please educate me.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 22, 2012
9:11 PM

Post #9312740

I'm not sure if it's owned by Monsantos or if it just carries seeds that are owned by Monsantos. Many of the hybrid seeds are but many seed co. sell them. Another words, the seeds are owned by Monsantos but the Companies aren't. Not sure which is true in this case.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

October 22, 2012
11:07 PM

Post #9312776

If in doubt, ask Carolyn She know all about who owns what seed companies. She hangs out on the tomato forums.
Thuvia
Macon, GA
(Zone 8a)

October 23, 2012
8:29 AM

Post #9313063

Park Seed was bought by Backstreet Capital (a privately held equity firm) as park of bankruptcy proceedings in 2010. To my knowledge, there is no connection between Park and/or Backstreet to Monsanto, other than the possibility that Park may sell some of the 4000+ vegetable / crop varieties offered by Monsanto, the vast majority of which are not GMOs.

woodspirit1

woodspirit1
Lake Toxaway, NC
(Zone 7a)

October 23, 2012
4:39 PM

Post #9313461

Is there a seed company that specializes in shade plants? What is a GMO?
DaleTheGardener
Tampa, FL
(Zone 10a)

October 23, 2012
5:46 PM

Post #9313511

Peg,

The products I mentioned are not 'starter mixes'. The are just bags of potting soil. I don't believe starter mixes have any advantages (in my experience at least).

Seeds have millions of years of practice sprouting. I finding them to be very adaptable.

I just plant them when the temps are right and water to keep them moist.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This year I ordered Viola, Delphiniums, Mimulus and a few other cool season plants. Since they all germinate at around 70* I built an 8' x 8' box of R13 styrofoam with a clear plastic roof, installed a window air conditioner, planted the seeds in plug trays, watered and covered the whole lot with a sheet of clear plastic. That was 8 days ago. All the trays have seeds sprouting. It seems that cool season seeds almost always need light to germinate.

We don't see 70* (max) until Dec.

I will take photos tomorrow when it is light.

Long ago I used to>

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AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

October 24, 2012
6:42 PM

Post #9314530

Woodspirit:

Don't know the answer to your first question, but the second - a GMO is a genetically modified organism. Wiki can explain it better than I:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism
plantsforpeg
Ventress, LA
(Zone 8b)

October 26, 2012
5:41 PM

Post #9316432

Dale, seems as though you have a job ahead of you. Watering individual plants in pots seem to take forever, but I do it time and time again.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

November 2, 2012
8:58 PM

Post #9323293

I do love Tainong seeds! They just got my little order of 2-gram packets out. It was delayed becuase market growers in CA are in a buying frenzy at this time of year (I guess their frost date is months later than mine!

I just like it when the I buy Asian seeds from a guy with a strong Mandarin accent.

- - - - Takuchoy (Tatsoi) frost-hardy once established
- - - - Qing-Long’ Chinese Long Bean (name means "The Pure Dragon")
F1 - - ‘Jade Pagoda’ Sakata Michihili (salad)-
F1 - - 'Monument’ Takii Michihili (FALL 45 cm tall)-
F1 - - ‘Mini Napa’ Chinese Cabbage (extra early):
F1 - - 'N-55' Taiwan Napa Cabbage (extra early for Summer season):
- - - - - -Tainong Nanjing Michihili
- - - - - 'Spring Sprinter' Napa Cabbage Early, very late bolting, spring or fall 60 days. 5-6 pounds.



My next major self-indulgence will be some Wasbai-flavord greens (baby leaf and microgreens) from Kitazawa. But I hope to postpone that for up to a year. Maybe they are just hot mustards with a clever marketing twist. But I love Wasabi paste, and hate strong mustard greens.


Mustard Wasabi - Brassica juncea
http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_438-195.html
" While this is not true Wasabi, it is a variety bred especially for microgreen production and has a sharp, peppery flavor. Its large cotyledons or seed leaves make it showy and flavorful."
sow Year round
Maturity: Approx. 5 days for microgreens


'Wasabina' - Brassica juncea
http://www.kitazawaseed.com/seed_354-181.html
"light green serrated leaf mustard brings a delicious, spicy, wasabi-like flavor to a salad mix of baby leaf greens."


Spicy Green, Hybrid - Brassica juncea
The wasabi-like flavored leaves are harvested young for salad mixes or as a garnish in gourmet cuisines. The frilly leaves are mildly spicy

dmac085
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7a)

November 8, 2012
5:54 PM

Post #9328359

Great places listed above! Gives me some options for my ever expanding wishlists:lol:

I stumbled across a new to me site http://www.localharvest.org

It seems to be set up like an internet farmer's market or ebay. Some sellers seem to have minimum order requirements (you put stuff in your cart and it is separated by vendor, if they have a min. it's flagged until you reach it, you enter your zip and the shipping costs are factored in). I only ordered from one vendor, Garden Medicinals & Culinaries. 5 packs of flower and veg seeds, shipping was $5.50. Yeah, a bit high but for 2 of the flower seed packs, I had only seen at Seed Saver's Exchange and the price per pack was higher as was shipping, so I felt OK with it. Since both the varieties I bought easily make seed I can save, it seemed like a good deal. Ordered and paid on a Thurs. and received on Tues. Pretty fast turn around.

Order was for:
Cosmos Memories of Mona
Marigold Tashkent #1
Sweet Pepper Milord
Sweet Pepper Doe Hill Golden Bell
Tomato Amy's Sugar Gem

Also ordered from ebay--fast shipping and a free pack (they emailed me to let me know I could choose my free option prior to them shipping but I didn't check my email before they had mailed--they sent another pack of what I had ordered which was fine with me). seeds4change_ny was the ebay store/seller.
Ordered 2 packs of Marigold Cempoalxochitl (Aztec marigold) 24-36" tall.

Will have to report how things work out in the spring/summer after they hopefully grow/bloom for me:lol: First time order w/ both places.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

November 19, 2012
1:07 PM

Post #9337307

yadavgard wrote:What do you guys think about Park Seed?



I have purchased from Park for years and always had luck. They will replace any seeds that didn't germinate, at least they used to. I don't buy seeds anymore, except for daylily seeds and those I buy from the Lily Auction. I think I have every perennial from seed that will grow here in my harsh climate.

edited to add that seeds from yours or someone else's garden will not come true from seeds if they are hybrids. The reason I buy from a seed nursery.

This message was edited Nov 19, 2012 2:10 PM

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

November 20, 2012
7:12 PM

Post #9338660

I'm not so thrilled with Parks. They are not always very cleear about exactly what variety something is, so you can't research it even if it is a specific registered cultivar or traditional strain which you could compare to other people's flowers ... if you knew its "real" name..

I think they would rather we were depenendent on Parks marketing department to tell us what is "new" or "best" or "unique".

And (as far as I can tell from "marketting names", they don;t have as many rare or unusual strains as places like Baker Creek.

As far as I can tell, most things that Parks sells can be had form almost any seed company, anywhere. Exc pet for those "Parks-Only" marketing specials. Maybe they are unique strains only marketed through Parks. But what If I like something, and want to try related varieties? I have to wiat for Park's marketing department to release another "new and improved" variety with a similar name, and then hope that there is something new ab out it besides the packet art, and something similar to the thing I iked, besides the marketing name.

And they aren't even very up-front about what is OP (comes true to the parent in future generations) or F1 hybrid (you have to buy moe seed from parks every year, or get blurry colors and generic flower shapes and sizes.

Now I give my money only to seed companies that are quick to reveal the Latin name, OP or F1, accepted cultivar name, and so on. I think they are on MY side, empowerin ME, instead of makiing me dependent on THEM. But that's a matter of taste or even opinion.

I like knowin' what I'm growin'.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

November 20, 2012
10:06 PM

Post #9338756

Rick,
I agree regarding Latin names that Parks never states. Parks have been sold, when I don't know. They were having economic problems and sold the business. Maybe that is why the company is not as good.

I have not purchased anything from Parks for 3 years so don't know how they are now. My last purchase was mixed colors of Penstemon 'Esprit' stated as a hardy perennial . It was beautiful with large flowers and striking colors. I sowed the whole package and was lucky to get all 5 colors. They bloomed first year from seeds from a February sowing. Come the following summer, they did not come up. No sign of them. I Googles the name and found out it is an annual, not a perennial. Very dissapointing.

Below are the 5 colors. You can understand why I was disappointed. If I remember correctly, the full Latin name is P. grandiflorus 'Esprit'

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

November 21, 2012
1:05 PM

Post #9339208

Blomma ~ They might have been perennial in another zone, but yes, full disclosure is very important before giving your hard-earned cash to find only disppointment. (Still, they were beautiful. too bad you did not collect seeds from them...)

Corey is wise to stick to companies that give all the correct information.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

November 21, 2012
6:53 PM

Post #9339459

evelyn, I wish but it was rated as an annual when I googled it. It is a hybrid. I have other Penstemon that comes up every year. There are also some that are annuals. I did collect seeds (like dust) from all the colors but they will not come true since they are hybrids.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

November 21, 2012
9:04 PM

Post #9339558


blomma,

>> They were having economic problems and sold the business

That may explain why some people love them and some hate them. Both of those factors will drag your quality down.

Hardy Perennial grown as a "tough luck, Jack, we've got YOUR money" Annual

Funny, DG lists Penstemon grandiflorus 'Esprit Mix' as perennial to Zone 3a (-40F).
Tom Clothier or Jim Swayne lists P. grandiflorus , Group Anularius, as Zone 3.
http://tomclothier.hort.net/page08.html

ZipCodeZoo says "evergeen" and cold-hardy to 3a.
Parks still calls it a perennial to Zone 3. I don't see "f1" or "OP" in their ad.
Burpee calls it perennial.

The group name "Annularius" is interesting. Maybe it is a really, REALLY short-lived "perennial" under some circumstances.

Those ARE nice colors.

Penstemon has been my most frustrating plant to date. They were worse than thigns that just never emerged - these guys waited for months after WS to appear, and then took 10-12 months to get larger than 1" tall. I assume I was doing something wrong!
Buttoneer
Carlisle, PA
(Zone 6b)

January 3, 2013
2:32 PM

Post #9374447

http://www.georgiavines.com has a ton of seeds all on their website. If you subscribe to her newsletter, she will send you a $ 5.00 coupon. I just ordered some rare seeds from Lori Rubel. She also sells on eBay.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

January 3, 2013
5:33 PM

Post #9374614

Dale,
Your garden and flowers are just beautiful.

Rick,
Here are my 5 different Penstemons. All are hardy perennials and drought resistant. All except P. davidsonii and P. viren was sown from seed purchased from Parks.

1] Penstemon coccineus
2] P. barbatus 'Rondo'
3] P. davidsonii 'Microphyllus' (groundcover)
4] lost full name. my favorite
5] P. viren (groundcover)

If you have a problem with Penstemons, try my seed sown ones. The groundcovers I bought as plants from Highcountry Gardens.

Many have the Penstemon grandiflorus 'Esprit Mix' wrong. Every plant (6) was like wood including the roots which shows it as an annual.

Park imports many of their seeds from Europe, especially Germany, rather than produce their own. I have gotten many seed package from them that has a different country stamped on it..

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RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

January 3, 2013
6:22 PM

Post #9374661

>>
P. coccineus
P. barbatus
P. davidsonii
P. viren
>>

Hmm, I don't have ANY of those species! I'v e particulalry wanted to grow out
P. eatonii Firecracker
P. smallii 'Violet Dusk'
Penstemon x mexicali "Red Rocks"

But I'm aiming at much easier things for a few years, seeing if I can keep up with simple chores before4 I look for a challenge. Maybe when I'm ready to try Penstemon again, I'll prqac tice o9n the easier ones you suggested. I saved them to my "Penstemon Page".


RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

January 4, 2013
5:08 PM

Post #9375692

Does anyone have experience with Willhite Seeds?

I just got their catalog without requesting it, and they have some great prices. Not much variety and nothing unusual (except for weatermelons), but great prices for bulk seeds, like 1 ounc e to one pound.

But I found some mixed reviews like "they get overwhelmed when its busy", and not answering phones or email or resolving complaints. And one guy got several batches of low-germination seed. His comment was something like "I saved a few dollars but lost thousands".

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

January 4, 2013
7:38 PM

Post #9375837

See if they are mentioned on The Garden Watchdog.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

January 4, 2013
7:43 PM

Post #9375844

Yup, that's where I found the mixed reviews. Several people liked them, several hated them.

legallyheidi

legallyheidi
Griffin, GA
(Zone 8a)

January 4, 2013
7:54 PM

Post #9375853

Baker Creek (Quick shipping, great service, fun varieties, freebie seed packet that is always something useful)
The Sample Seed Shop (Smaller quantities which is great for smaller gardens, great prices, Remy is super-friendly)
Sophie's Seed & Swine on Etsy (Cute packaging, great germination)
Swallowtail Garden (Can't beat their flower varieties)
dmac085
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7a)

January 5, 2013
6:40 AM

Post #9376025

Catalogs have started coming and I have to say the photos in Baker Creek's catalog are pure art--I don't think I've ever seen more gorgeous photos--I'm thinking I'm saving this catalog:lol: I ordered in Sept and am thinking I may need to order again:lol:

Burpee's and Park seeds are some of the first places I ever ordered from due to familiarity and before I ever got a computer. Seems like my parents had always received their catalogs (R.L. Shumway's too). After purchasing from many different places after discovering all the other online sources I have to say that those companies don't rate very high on my list. Pricing (seed count vs pkt price is high), S&H pricing and germination are the main negatives for me. T&M is falling into that category for me too. I do buy in May or June when they run their big seed sale.

I'm looking at places for tomatoes and found these places in the tomato forum:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com (she has other veggies too)
Casey's Heirloom Tomatoes of the Airdrie

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

January 5, 2013
10:48 AM

Post #9376193

dmac085,
I went to that website and found Earliana, which is a tomato I grew for years during the 70's and 80's in the midwest until I no longer could find it. That tomato planted mid-May gave me mideum sized fruit as early as July.

By their own statement, this is the last year they will be offered seeds from 2006. Tomato and other seeds if kept in a cooling enviroment with remain viable. What I do wonder is there are several varieties of Earliana, one originated from N. Dakota, the other from Canada with a slight change in names. So I wonder which is the one I have grown?

When a company grows several types of tomatoes for seed production, how can cross pollination be prevented. Even Tatiana stated that their mission is to preserve open pollinated Heirloom Tomatoes. The seeds from Heirloom Tomato varieties that cross pollinate are no longer heirlooms but a new variety. Also many seeds have been donated from other growers. This is why I am so sceptical regarding heirloom veggies and tomatoes.

An alternative tomato is Early Girl, which I think replaced it. It is not as early as Earliana.

I will say that she does have a good selection of tomatoes and veggies.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

January 5, 2013
10:51 AM

Post #9376196

dmac085,
I forgot to mention that before the internet, I ordered mailorder from R.L. Shumway. They had my Earliana.
dmac085
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7a)

January 5, 2013
11:30 AM

Post #9376222

I never really knew what varieties of tomato my parents grew--more than likely whatever the local garden centers or nurseries had in 3 or 4 in pots. I was the seed starter in our family but veggies are my stumbling block. I love tomatoes and even in my small space I want to grow a couple or three in containers:)

I've chose a few from the Tatiana site--some of the last chance varieties too. I have to say that most of my choices are made based on whether or not it can be container grown, height/sprawl and flavor descriptions. I can't grow the big guys with my space limits and water availability (apt, no outside faucet--so all handwatering or rain dependent).

blomma, I did see a mention about the possibility of crosses--notify them if you note differences once grown out so they can pull that batch of seeds--but that would most likely be frustrating if you really wanted a certain variety.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

January 5, 2013
12:26 PM

Post #9376263

dmac085,
My daughter grew Early Girl in her greenhouse to extend Wyoming growing season. It was planted in a 24" pot (measure across). It was an experiment. Although she thought to do this a bit too late, she still got some nice tomatoes out of it. She will do it eaier this season, the reason she purchased a greenhouse in Fall of 2011. Herbs did great also in there.

I gave up growing veggies when my 4 kids got married. Two of them are gardeners so I don't have to go without.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

January 5, 2013
3:27 PM

Post #9376436

I have a feeling I may have gotten this info from this thread, but don't want to read all the way back...

I ordered from Reimer's seeds for the first time, and was very impressed. I was looking for Tomato Cupid, and they had it. At a local market a grower said he's never found anything better in a cherry type, finally just grows this one: great flavor, early ripening, heavy bearing, and a long season. Research told me it's also good for sauce, which DH will love.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 5, 2013
10:18 PM

Post #9376828

Blomma there are many ways to prevent cross pollination in O/P veggies ie: isolation, bagging the flowers, to name just a couple. Heirloom O/P veggie aren't hybrids that are hand pollinated to get a specific variety like Celebrity and Early Girl. The home gardener can save seeds from O/P veggies and expect them to grow true the next season, if the seeds are saved correctly. Not so with hybrid seeds.
AmyMorie
Green Cove Springs, FL
(Zone 9a)

January 6, 2013
6:23 AM

Post #9376959

America's oldest seed company - and most beautiful seed catalog ever! Heirloom and unusual varieties
http://landrethseeds.com/
RiverNymph
the Mountains, CO
(Zone 4a)

January 6, 2013
8:29 AM

Post #9377082

I would somewhat recommend Cherrygal.com,
Yes, she has many bad reviews because people have had some serious concerns with germination rates, professionalism, and lack of customer service.
Her website however, has a wealth of information, a ton of rare heirloom seeds, and the prices do not exceed $1.50ish. She is able to keep the packets down by offering just 20-30 seeds of each cultivar. At least check it out.
RiverNymph
the Mountains, CO
(Zone 4a)

January 6, 2013
8:33 AM

Post #9377085

Amy, so glad you turned me onto landrethseeds.com, I'm navigating the website and not only is it beautiful but the prices are perfect! Thanks!
RiverNymph
the Mountains, CO
(Zone 4a)

January 6, 2013
9:10 AM

Post #9377116

Tried to read through as much as possible, so sorry if this is a double post.
But my new favorite website for seeds is:
Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds : http://www.rareseeds.com
Good prices, and a ton of rare cultivars.
I also have ordered from: Sustainable Seed Company many times ( http://www.sustainableseedco.com ) - They're absolutely wonderful. Classy website with wonderful navigation and great selections on heirlooms. They seem to really care about the quality of their seeds. Every time I get packets from them the vegetables grow to insane sizes and are always overly healthy.


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blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

January 6, 2013
10:38 AM

Post #9377188

1lisac wrote:Blomma there are many ways to prevent cross pollination in O/P veggies ie: isolation, bagging the flowers, to name just a couple. Heirloom O/P veggie aren't hybrids that are hand pollinated to get a specific variety like Celebrity and Early Girl. The home gardener can save seeds from O/P veggies and expect them to grow true the next season, if the seeds are saved correctly. Not so with hybrid seeds.


I am well aware of all that. There is no guarantees if what you buy is true to name. I have seen that stated in website. I pollinate both iris and daylilies so I know how it works and how persistant bees are. Sellers that sell seed must have a huge volume of plants to isolate from sneaky bees.

You really have to take what sellers of seeeds state with a grain of salt.

1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 6, 2013
1:13 PM

Post #9377362

Blomma I dont know anything about flowers but many veggies are self pollinating some are better at it then others due to the shape of the flower. I have had good luck with commercial seeds but I dont even bother with trades anymore, Ive ended up with too many crosses.
RiverNymph
the Mountains, CO
(Zone 4a)

January 6, 2013
2:04 PM

Post #9377404

To be perfectly honest, most of our world's biodiversity is a by-product of billions and billions of cross pollinations.
I understand the passion involved in people wanting to keep heirlooms as pure as possible (it kind of reminds me of
hardcore dog breeders who find mutts absolutely disgusting in their opinion). But philosophically speaking,
I really don't care if I receive a seed in a trade that is a 'tad' different than what it's cultivar is 'suppose' to look like.
I just take joy in growing things, and as a gardener, I find beauty in all life. Just my two cents.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

January 6, 2013
5:35 PM

Post #9377633

RiverNymph, I partially agree with you except when it comes to tomatoes--my favorite fruit. There is a difference in taste, not to mention how many days to harvest.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 6, 2013
8:54 PM

Post #9377724

I agree too. My favorite animals are mutts, that somebody dropped off on my country road and they adopted me. However, if I pay for a pure bred I expect a that.

Also, I like the idea of keeping a genetic line pure. I realize that mutations will happen as a result of natural selection. But if I get a type of tomato that grows well, I like the flavor and it grows well here I want to be able to grow it again. Peppers are the worst, especially hot peppers as far as crossing goes. They maybe self pollinating but they cross easily too. It's frustrating to grow out a pepper, that I've wanted, only to have it set fruit...and it's not what I was expecting...less experienced growers may think it's what it's supposed to be, so it gets passed off as something it's not. Nobody wants to pay for a pure bred and get a mutt. I've been breeding horses for too long to do that. : )
RiverNymph
the Mountains, CO
(Zone 4a)

January 6, 2013
9:31 PM

Post #9377746

I assume 2 dollars to trade a large sum of seeds is next to nothing. When trading, I don't have expectations. I also buy quality heirlooms from reputable distributors when I'm looking for them and have expectations. But trading has been an amazing medium for me to save the money and still try new things. If I find out it wasn't what I was hoping for, no sweat. No money lost really. =)

And yes, "experienced" growers. It's difficult to know who's who until you actually 'try' out their seeds. I personally will not trade my own seeds unless I know for sure I am trading the correct cultivar after growing it myself. I think the risk in trading is worth it seeing as it costs next to nothing to work out trades with people. It's a community effort, really.

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ransom3
Zephyrhills, FL

January 23, 2013
11:31 AM

Post #9394923

I love Pinetree Gardens of Maine aka of late, Super Seeds. Very high quality, huge selection (some very rare) , very low prices and incredibly fast service. I have never been disappointed with anything I have purchased from there.
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