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speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

February 20, 2012
3:14 AM

Post #9012819

Good morning all. So, I was thinking... (which is often dangerous)... I'd mentioned in the Shady Garden area that it's about time I tackled my back yard, which is mostly shady. I got loads of wonderful ideas from some wonderful people (thank you very much!). Well, as I'm sure most of you can understand, I went to bed last night with visions of ideas rampaging through my head like a herd of elephants... and had an epiphone! I've got this "interesting" looking fence across my back yard, separating us from the neighbors behind us. (shown in the picture). Well, in the "New Year's Resolution" thread, Catbird shared a really cool picture of a fence using adorable gardening boots as planters, attached to a similar fence. I, personally, am "into" watering cans... so, why couldn't I do the same thing along my fence with lightweight plastic watering cans?? I'll have to get out there today and measure the length of fence that I want to cover, but so far I think I'll be working with about 15 feet or so. The next, fun, part will be to scour the area for cheap plastic watering cans... cute ones, maybe kiddie ones. So, the question is, do any of you have any experience with using watering cans as containers.. HUNG UP on a wall/fence? I'm just wondering how I'll be attaching them. Any helpful tips would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Susan

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Frank65
Hallowell, ME

February 20, 2012
6:05 AM

Post #9012955

I think your best bet is to make individual shelves due to the weight of the pots/cans.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

February 20, 2012
6:59 AM

Post #9013036

Oh that's a brilliant idea, I hadn't thought of that, thank you Frank!

I'd been thinking I'd just make my planting mix really light-weight, like 2/3 perlite and 1/3 compost, but you're idea is a really good one. Before I add "hardware" to my Gardening Shopping List, any other brilliant ideas out there? =)

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

February 20, 2012
3:07 PM

Post #9013763

So, Hubby brought up a good point this evening that I hadn't though of: I will have to secure the watering cans to the fence/shelf because the crazily active squirrels would just knock 'em over and ruin my babies if I simply just sit the pots on shelves. Soooo, I'll have to figure out some way to secure 'em really good, but still be not too much of a pain in the dupa to work with. Boy oh boy, what fun. =/
Frank65
Hallowell, ME

February 22, 2012
1:12 PM

Post #9016083

Try one wood screw with washer inserted at the top of the can screwed into the fence.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

February 24, 2012
5:04 AM

Post #9017997

Good morning! Update on my soon-to-be shady garden area!
As I was out and about day before yesterday, I hit a couple of jackpots! My first stop was the dump (aka: Transfer Station). While there, I chatted with my buddy Donnie who works there, and in our gardening conversation (yes, he's a gardener too), he mentioned that last year, some nice patron gave him this cool water pump garden ornament thing. He'd taken it home, but try as he might, he could not get it to fit in with his garden decorum, so he brought it in to work and there it sat, next to the recycling bins. He told me to take it, FOR FREE!! Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!! That was jackpot #1.
Then, since I planned to have time to kill (before taking my truck to her Dr. to have her brakes checked), I wandered over to the Farmers Market. (this was all planned, of course). After nosing around in several different buildings, looking for old watering cans or the like, I wandered to the back of the property where there's only 3 buildings in use. BINGO!! The first place is an antique place, and that's where my first find YELLED at me. A very cool black-and-white oollldddd water pitcher thing. Then, the next building, was PACKED with the widest array of odds and ends, and in it I found a really cute.. I dunno what you'd call it, I call it a planter! And a cute wooden 'rack' that would PERFECTLY hold 3 round 4" growers pots. All 3 for the low low price of $18 total.

Now, here they are:
First is the old pump with bucket, in which I'll grow... I dunno yet, some lovely combo, maybe with Dusty Miller and Artemesia..??
Then is a pic of the other 3 things. You an see the "pitcher" thing on the left looks round, however...
In pic 3 you can see that it's flat on the back, with a hole in it, just MADE for hanging! Woot!! Okey dokey, I'm on a roll now! =)

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

February 24, 2012
7:38 AM

Post #9018173

You really are on a roll and you found some good bargains! My major thought is they're too nice to be hung on a fence.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

February 24, 2012
10:03 AM

Post #9018349

They are rather lovely, huh? But they're going to look sooooooooo nice filled with colourful flowing babies!! I can't WAIT to get that water pump bucket planted, OH BOY!! Tons of ideas of combos run through my head, Wheeee! =)

I put together some combo pots at work last year, that'll give me some idea of what I want in 'em.

Here's a couple pics of my handy-work!

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Frank65
Hallowell, ME

February 25, 2012
6:32 AM

Post #9019289

I think you might place some sort of vine in the water bucket so it can grow up the pump.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

February 25, 2012
4:14 PM

Post #9019929

Oh absolutely YES Frank! Of course, the fun part will be to decide which one(s). =)
Pippi21
Silver Spring, MD
(Zone 6b)

March 2, 2012
5:29 PM

Post #9027566

The yellow daisies..is that Banana Cream?

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

March 3, 2012
6:26 AM

Post #9028040

Hmmmm, ya know, I don't remember now, I'm gonna have to think about that one, but I don't think it was any sort of "regular" daisy. Let me think back on what we had last year and I'll come back to it. =)
kiseta
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)

March 4, 2012
12:32 PM

Post #9029652

You can always build a shelv like this and attach it to the fence.

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speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

March 5, 2012
3:45 AM

Post #9030323

Yes yes YES!!! You have totally hit the nail on the head, that is PRECISELY what I want!!!! WooHoo, you are BRILLIANT, thank you!!!! I am going to print that out so DH can see exactly what I have in mind, oh THANK YOU!! If we can do them 4 or 5 (or so) feet wide it will be perfect, for display and for me to still be able to reach everything easily (I'm not really tall, just a hair over 5'). Yippeeeeee, you're wonderful!!
kiseta
Augusta, GA
(Zone 8a)

March 5, 2012
7:19 AM

Post #9030578

I am glad to be at help, I have saved the picture thinking to do the shelf, looks like even I can do it by my self. Probly should be done of treated wood . Good luck. Etelka

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

March 5, 2012
1:57 PM

Post #9031131

Yes Ma'am, I agree that it should be treated wood. I personally wouldn't try to make it myself, I'm sorta handy but not quite *that* handy! =)

ecnalg

ecnalg
Lucketts, VA
(Zone 7a)

March 30, 2012
5:44 AM

Post #9062902

What a great looking shelf. I think I will pass that idea along to my DH, too. I saw the post and photos from Catbird and loved those ideas, too. As for attaching watering cans, L brackets might do the trick. Attaching them so that the L is up rather than down, so that the watering can hides it some, and then screw the bottom of the watering can into the part that extends out. That might be more secure and be less stress on the can than screwing the side into the post. Alas, we have no fence.

Speediebean, please say you're coming to the midAtlantic plant swap.

Backward glance

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

March 31, 2012
2:55 PM

Post #9064550

I'd shared somewhere else the stair-step shelving thingy DH built for me last week, but this week he's at it again. I got home from work to find that, not only had he stained it, but he also got the lumber for #2, cut it, sanded it all, AND stained it all!! AND he got a bunch of matching pots to go on them!! Sheeeesh!!!
Here's the finished product of #1 along with the pots, and then a shot of all the prepped lumber for #2. It's just about time to finally get that back area looking like something, WHEEEEE!!! < =D

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Frank65
Hallowell, ME

April 1, 2012
5:06 AM

Post #9065175

Ya know speedie, since your DH has shown his talents he can make you some nice individual shelves to hang on your fence using precut brackets from Home Depot or Lowe's. Your stairstep shelves could be the center with the hung shelves on either side.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 3, 2012
4:00 AM

Post #9067770

That's actually a very good idea Frank, but there's a slight problem... I'm always such a problem child. =/ We're trying to be as "non-invasive" as possible with that fence since it's not really 'ours', but was installed and paid for by our neighbors behind us. It seems to me to be a bit of a sticky wicket, maybe more so than it really is. I keep thinking and thinking about that fence, since the time to act is nearly upon me. Yes, DH certainly could do that, but I'm still 'riding the fence' as it were. How 'invasive' do I really want to be with someone else's fence, even though it borders my own property? Would the screws necessarily have to be very long to install the shelves you're talking about? Ya know, long enough to poke through to the other side? If not, then that's a very good idea, and we've certainly got left-over lumber to do that, so I will propose that to DH. But I'm not sure about your proposed placement... I've had this idea in my head that I'd like the shelf thingies about a foot apart or so, that wooden hand-pump thing in between with a climber and some spilling/flowing flowers of some sort in it, and then the stuff up on the fence ... maybe above and on either side of the benches..?? What do you think? Or, should I just forget about the hand-pump out back and use it as a focal point in my biggest bed out front instead, and go with your idea out back? I'll add a pic of my biggest bed out front, maybe I could/should think of a spot there for that pump? I know I've been wanting a focal point there... Oh, and please ignore the lousy-looking "lawn", this picture is from last summer and the lawn is MUCH better now. =)

I appreciate the ideas!!!!!

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Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

April 4, 2012
9:45 AM

Post #9069560

That front is just SCREAMING for some fire engine red planter boxes under those windows. A pop of color that will go a looooooooooooooong way to breaking up all the white!

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 5, 2012
2:58 AM

Post #9070414

While that is a FANTASTIC idea, there's just no way I'd put holes into the house to install planter boxes. We both, DH and I, are very anal about putting holes into the siding or cinder block of the house. That being said though, I'm sure there MUST be some way to give the same effect without being "invasive", yes? Given how handy DH is with a hammer and nails (or a drill and screws), I'm sure he could build me a couple stand-type thingies that would hold the boxes, and I could sink the legs down into the soil for stability. Then plant some taller stuff just in front of the legs to hide them... Hmmm, what WONDERFUL ideas you have given me, THANK YOU!!!!!!

Oh, and I've discussed the shelf/bracket idea with DH as well, for that back fence. The lumber we've got "left-over" from the benches are all 2x4's, so we'll have to get really creative about turning those into shelves, but I'm sure we can come up with something. The next trick will be to figure out how to make them "work". Maybe we could insert a few vertically, securing them to the horizontal "braces" that go across the fence, and then secure the planters to those vertical ones?? Or, put in the vertical ones, and *then* some more, smaller, horizontal ones, secured to the verticals... but they're just 2x4's, so I'm not sure how "shelfy" they would be... < =/ HELP!

I've made a few purchases the past couple days too, some Hostas, Virginia Bluebells, Columbines, a Coleus, and a Setcresea. I also found some seeds for a lovely Columbine Mix that I hadn't seen around here anywhere else (found 'em at the grocery store!), and some Johnny Jump Ups. I've never grown those before, so if anyone's got any helpful hints/tips, I'm all ears! < o_o >

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 9, 2012
3:19 AM

Post #9074988

Well, I think I (we, DH and I) have got it figured out. We went out shopping this weekend, hit up Lowe's, and found these wonderful "trellis planters". We got 2 of them and plan to set them in between the 2 benches with Clematis Dr. Rupel in each one. Then we got a lovely bird bath to sit in between, but in FRONT of, the trellis planters. Here's a pic of the planter so you can get a visual.
This weekend we shall finish building that second bench, then prep the area to set 'em up... gonna put down some landscape fabric and cover it with mulch, to give the benches a pretty mulch bed to sit on. (I bought the fabric and mulch at work yesterday).

I'll share pics this weekend after we get stuff set up. Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

Here's that trellis planter thingy, compliments of Lowes's website.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 9, 2012
6:46 AM

Post #9075223

Very nice! Take photos when the area is done.

You will love Dr. Ruppel - it's a beauty. Plant it deeply.

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speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 9, 2012
3:03 PM

Post #9075965

Thank you Pirl, I didn't realize that, I'll be sure to plant them as deeply as I can... as much as the planter will allow for. My GOODNESS, that sure is a beauty in that picture you shared!! Have you got a farther-zoomed-out picture that shows your planter a bit more? I have a feeling I'll fall in love with that trellis. =)
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 9, 2012
5:34 PM

Post #9076194

Thank you. I love the obelisk.

The clematises should be planted with 2" (at least) covering the root ball. Add manure, compost, bone meal and a drink of Epsom Salt (1 TBSP to a gallon of warm water - not hot). Make sure you mulch well. Happy growing!

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speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 10, 2012
3:32 AM

Post #9076598

Oh WOW how gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!! See, I KNEW I'd fall in love with it!! =)

Ok, I'm gonna copy/paste your instructions to my 'Gardening Journal' so I don't forget what to do when I replant the Clematises, thank you a TON!! I don't have any manure, and I've promised DH that I am DONE spending money... for now. But, I've got great organic fertilizer with Microrrhyzae (sp?), and I've got all the rest, too. Do ya think that'll be good enough? Gosh I hope so, 'cause I don't want to break my promise to DH. :)

ecnalg

ecnalg
Lucketts, VA
(Zone 7a)

April 10, 2012
4:42 AM

Post #9076631

That is indeed a beautiful addition to the garden. Sure wish one of those was going in mine.

The southern MD craigslist has free manure being offered in Hughesville.

Photo is our newly acquired trellis kit, aka crib, that we got from the Frederick craigslist last week. Hoping to join the 2 side rails in an L shape and have some sort of planter between them, a bit like the Home D style, but without a taper.

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TX_gardener
Brady, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 10, 2012
5:47 AM

Post #9076684

speediebean, I really like that "trellis planter thingy, compliments of Lowes's website" but I'm not finding it. Do you think it might be a regional thing?

ecnalg

ecnalg
Lucketts, VA
(Zone 7a)

April 10, 2012
5:56 AM

Post #9076705

This should at least give you a bit more info on the trellis planter.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_167517-1321-100507272_0__?productId=3544342&Ntt=trellis&pl=1¤tURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dtrellis%26page%3D2&facetInfo=
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 10, 2012
6:57 AM

Post #9076784

Thanks, speediebean. My husband made the first one (right) and we had a local guy make the second (left) as a replacement when the first one wore out after many years. The obelisk does tend to become obscured with five clematises and nearby peonies, hydrangeas and roses.

Manure isn't mandatory so go with what you have.

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speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 10, 2012
2:51 PM

Post #9077381

Thank you Pat, I wasn't sure if it was a regional thing, I'm sure that'll help TX_gardener. =)

Goodness Pirl, that obelisk sure becomes lost in all the plants, but it looks FABULOUS!! After all the lovin' all those plants put on the first one I'm not surprised that first one wore out! =)
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

April 10, 2012
5:16 PM

Post #9077563

Wisely, we had the second one made of cedar.
lonejack
Longview, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 11, 2012
10:03 PM

Post #9079175

Hi speediebean,
You don't need to attach any planters to the siding of your house. You can support them from the bottom and lean them against the house. Keep the planter about 2" away from the house to let air circulate around to keep moisture damage away. Lean the planter to the house with touch plates. You could even cover the touch plates with old carpet to avoid chafing the siding. The planter could be painted fire engine red with the supports painted house color to blend in to the rest of the house.
Paul.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 12, 2012
2:48 AM

Post #9079220

Hiya Paul, and a BIG thank you, that's a wonderful idea!!! I can hide the support posts behind my taller growing stuff in the back, so I won't have to worry about any unsightliness... oh BOY, now I'm really excited!! OK, this new idea has been added to my gardening journal and I'll discuss it with DH while we're building that new bench this weekend... may as well 'grab' him while he's in builder's mode, eh? =) Just hope we've got enough left-over lumber for them...


***wanders off singing "When the flowers are so dangerously near me, I get ideas, I get ideas..." ***
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 16, 2012
5:16 PM

Post #9085289

Oh speedie, you're such fun!

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 17, 2012
2:49 AM

Post #9085653

Aaaaw, thank you Donna! =)

I brought up the idea of the window boxes to DH this past weekend, while we were working on the second bench, but it was lousy timing! Don't ya just hate it when one project doesn't finish the thought process, but instead turns into needing another project done to complete it? Well, that's what happened here. Ya see, as it turns out, I have no vision. Go figure, right? Well, I just simply could NOT tell by looking at that back fence line just HOW horribly sloped the ground is... I mean, I knew it was sloped, but to what degree, my mind's eye just could not see. Not until that second bench was done and we put everything out there. Both benches AND both trellis planters, AND the bird bath. NOW I can see how EEEEEK it really is. My goodness, this just simply will not do!! Here, take a look at how awful it is!!

Soooo, next on the list will be for me to bring home 4 railroad ties, 2 of which will be cut in half. I'm gonna dig 2 gradually graded trenches, one that will come out 4 feet from the fence on the left side, then one that will go 12 feet across in front of the fence parallel to it. That will create a sort of 4'x12' "bed" in which the benches will sit. Now, in those gradually graded trenches will sit the railroad ties; a 4' piece coming out from the fence, and then another sitting on top of it. Then the full one and half-one, side-by-side in the 12' trench across the front. The other full-length tie and half-tie will sit on top of those, but staggered. That "bed" will get filled in with topsoil, appropriately graded so-as to give a flat(ish) surface, or as much as possible. THEN the benches and stuff can go back into place and should look more normal and not so hideous like it is now.

Meanwhile, one of my Clematises is blooming very happily!! (second picture) I can't WAIT to get all this done and get 'em planted out back!! I found out from Boss-Man yesterday that he'll be glad to cut them for me, which is a big help in carrying them from the truck to the back yard when the time comes. So, I'll purchase them today and let Boss-Man know that he's got until tomorrow to get them cut, heeheeheee. No rush, mind you. ;)

The project marches on...

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AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

April 29, 2012
7:51 PM

Post #9103200

Well Speedie it looks awesome in the picture, you just have to do a little grading. :)

My BF's father was a professional custom cabinet maker. When he passed my BF inherited all these fancy woodworking tools. I just ASSUMED that he'd be ultra handy, but he just doesn't have that kind of initiative that your DH had with these lovely benches he made for your pots.

I'm sure it'll work out beautifully. I too fell in love with the obelisk. I just know I could do it if I had fancy tools of my own. Hee hee hee.

Let us know how it's going!

A.
lonejack
Longview, WA
(Zone 8b)

April 30, 2012
2:32 AM

Post #9103418

Hi Friends,
I thought I would send along a picture of what I call my, "Grow Towers." These were assembled and planted around the 15th of April.
I have them covered with some umbrella greenhouses for now, waiting for the weather to warm.
So far I have planted;
Petunias
peas
nasturtiums
tomatoes
cucumbers
bush beans
radishes
leeks
lettuce
herbs
and impatiens
in each.
I have set up a drip system to water them often as they will dry out pretty quickly. Soon I will add a fertilizer injector to feed them.
More pictures to follow.
Paul.

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speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

April 30, 2012
3:33 AM

Post #9103444

Neat-looking idea Paul!! WOW you sure do have a lot of stuff planted, huh? Looking forward to seeing how they fill out, they're going to be gorgeous, and yummy! =)

OK, the progress so far... came home from work in Friday planning to get out there and do some digging for the trenches... shoulda known DH would have beat me to it! Not only did he get ALL the digging done, but the first layer of railroad ties is down, so all I had to do was "help" him secure them with rebar. ("help" means keep him company and start on the clean-up). ;)

It looks rather wonky at the moment, 'cause there really is THAT much of a slope!! We'll be chipping away at the work all this week so I can come home from work on Friday with topsoil to finish filling it in. We're thinking now, what we'd like to do is put a 'face' on the front and top of the ties, the same wood he used to build the benches... give it a nicer "finished" look.

Meanwhile, I have also been commissioned to buy LOADS more annuals to "fill in" the blank spots in the front big bed. Oh, woe is me, more plants! **snicker**. < =P

Time to hit the shower and go enjoy work, have a GREAT day all!! < =D

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AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

April 30, 2012
9:59 AM

Post #9103947

Wow. Aww geez Speedie - you've got a tough job there. ;)
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

April 30, 2012
11:44 AM

Post #9104064

Speedie, you should clone your hubby!

We are doing some of the same things, but mine is not quite so tough. I had to dig out dozens of ditch lilies, about 30 hostas (the aggressive, ugly kind) and now I have dug out about 300 lily of the valley, with about 100 to go. I could certainly utilized a speedie hubby clone!

The fun part is putting all the new plants in. My old yard was mature, so I could take dozens of plants without making a dint. Arranging them in my new beds is a blast (oh, my aching back!)

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 1, 2012
2:06 AM

Post #9105002

Amanda, yes, it's a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it! < =D (I vote for DH! heeheeheee)

Donna, YIKES, that's a LOT of stuff to have to dig up, WOWEEE!!! I honestly wouldn't mind taking some of those ditch lilies off your hands, I wouldn't even mind digging them out myself to 'earn' them. With as unattractive as my back yard is, ANYTHING out there would be better than the scraggly over-grown trees-and-nothing-else look I've got out there. (well, nothing else except for funky under-growth too). < =/ As you look at that picture I posted, off to the left is nothing but a MAJOR slope of a hill (way worse than the one we're working on for the 'bed' for the tables) covered in random trees and under-brush-growth stuff and tons and tons of leaves. I never did anything out back because until recently, I never knew anything could grow on purpose in so much shade. LOL!!

Yesterday I came home to find that DH had stacked the second layer on top of the first, and it totally looks just "WRONG". We both agree on that, so after all the back-breaking moving of all the ties, we're only going to use one layer of them. I think what we're going to do is "shave" off some of the slope from the right leading downward toward the left, and use that dirt to fill in the inside on the left. Yeah, we'll end up with a sloped-looking 'wall' of railroad ties, but then we talked about finding something low, about a foot tall or so, evergreen, to plant all along the front to hide the ties, and give a tiny hedge-row look. Any ideas of what I could put there? What about a Mediterranean Heather?

By this weekend, DARNIT, I am GOING to have my tables and trellis planters and bird bath in that bed!!! Heeheee, DH told me last evening that, when it's all in place, he's not doing any more, other than to tell me "Put that plant there, and this one should go over here..." LOL!!!!!
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 1, 2012
6:24 AM

Post #9105235

Honeybunch, you don't want THESE ditch lilies.

Here is my neighbor's yard. The brick house. His yard is mostly gorgeous, but the ditch lilies get out of hand after one season.

Pic 1. The neighbors ditch lilies under a tree, from where they spread into my yard before I offed them.

Pic 2. My neighbors ditch lilies as they have spread through his property and, incredibly, onto another neighbor's property.

They will take over the entire yard in a couple of years if you don't stop them.

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 1, 2012
6:54 AM

Post #9105284

Ditto to what Donna said. They are horrid and can wipe out nearby good daylilies.
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 1, 2012
9:55 AM

Post #9105589

And everything else - LOL!

I am replacing them with species geraniums. I discovered one in my yard and was enchanted. I just ordered a mix of seeds from JL Hudson. This plant is about 18 inches across. It requires NO CARE!

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pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 1, 2012
11:32 AM

Post #9105740

Just beware if any plants from those ditch daylilies manage to emerge, Donna. They have a creepy/nasty way of doing it to me though I cleared the area and sifted the soil.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 1, 2012
11:36 AM

Post #9105749

Found a photo of the roots on the ditch daylilies. They have runners and therein lies the problem. I put a pink flag by them to outline the problem area but I won't be shocked if they return.

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DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 1, 2012
12:06 PM

Post #9105806

Yes, some of them have already reappeared. Much smaller. And been dispatched. Unless you can get the runners with those bulb-like structures they can return. I police the area. Nasty devils.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 2, 2012
2:59 AM

Post #9106726

OK, I give up, I DON'T want any!!! < =O GREAT GOOGLEY MOOGLEY, those things really take over!!!!! Do they get flowers on them like the "nice guys" day lilies do? I mean, with as invasive as they are, there should be at least **some** saving grace, no?? < =/ Garsh, they are little bullies, aren't they?
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 2, 2012
5:42 AM

Post #9106840

LOL! You really are fun!
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 2, 2012
6:02 AM

Post #9106874

There is no saving grace with ditch daylilies. They do get orange flowers but they are underwhelming.

When the daylilies show their buds the ditch daylilies are easily spotted by their shape (first photo). They are very long and narrow compared to the usual buds (second photo).

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DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 2, 2012
6:27 AM

Post #9106909

Pirl, that's great information! I moved into an older community, and it's amazing how many people have dutch lilies that have taken over their yards. My neighbor (brick house above), who is lovely, by the way, was out with a weed wacker removing the tops of the plants. I almost wanted to go over, pull one out of the ground, and show him the bulbs at the bottom. Some of the ones I got in their entirety had 15 or more of the bulbs, and unless you get them all, they come back. There are cases where I missed one or two and they are growing back. The dandelion digger is a great tool.

I now recognize the real daylilies because I used to snap off the spent buds on my neighbors plants.That was back when I was weird and thought it was fun (OK, I'm still pretty weird!)

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speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 2, 2012
4:09 PM

Post #9107615

[quote="DonnaMack"]

I now recognize the real daylilies because I used to snap off the spent buds on my neighbors plants.That was back when I was weird and thought it was fun (OK, I'm still pretty weird!)[/quote]

And you call **me** fun!?!? < =D LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Pirl, most EXCELLENT info and photos, thank you a trillion tons!! Interestingly enough, I have not seen any infestation of those around my neck of the woods, though I do see a LOT of "real" Day Lilies everywhere, and they are quite lovely, too. I'd swear they are not ditch lilies, they don't seem to be taking over the spots where they are growing, just small clumps of 'em in many places, along road-sides n' stuff.
pirl
(Arlene) Southold, NY
(Zone 7a)

May 2, 2012
4:51 PM

Post #9107680

"... just small clumps of 'em in many places, along road-sides n' stuff."

Allow them to stay at the side of the road. Generally that's the big tip-off that they are ditch daylilies and may appear darker in shade. You'll save yourself a lot of grief!

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 3, 2012
2:33 AM

Post #9108100

I will look but NOT touch, I promise!! < =D I can be a good girl, contrary to DH's popular belief! **giggle**.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 5, 2012
3:21 PM

Post #9111751

Oh boy oh boy oh boy, it's done!!!!!!!! Now all I'll have to do is just add to or take away from what's on the tables. Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!

Got a little "Before" and "After" action going on here, WOWEEE, that's just a wee little bit of a difference, eh? ;)

I wanted to readjust the plants a little bit according to afternoon sun, but just my luck the sun went away this afternoon. =(

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koshki
Grosse Pointe Shores, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2012
5:47 PM

Post #9111940

Wow, that is wonderful! Great job! My orchids would love it there.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

May 5, 2012
6:33 PM

Post #9111982

That really is an awesome job. I'm getting a little dizzy though, looking at the "after" photo. :D

ecnalg

ecnalg
Lucketts, VA
(Zone 7a)

May 6, 2012
4:48 AM

Post #9112319

What an impressive transformation! It all came together so nicely, and making that level area for it made a huge difference.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 6, 2012
5:46 AM

Post #9112361

Thank you guys, I'm really happy with how it all came together, and now I can't wait for all the babies there to grow and grow and totally FILL it in! =)

Amanda, sorry about the dizziness, that "after" pic didn't come out really clear, huh? And I can't help but notice the "optical illusion" thing goin' on there, with the benches being level, and against that fence that actually follows the slope of the hill that we live on. Now you can **really** see how bad that slope really is. It took a LOT of back-breaking work to get that right, and it was all DH's back!! < =/ While we were out there yesterday giving the beds the finishing touches and putting all the stuff in it, it was raining pollen on us!!! I mean really, we were watching the pollen fall down on and around us like rain, AAHCHOOO!!!

Today, I get the rest of the stuff off of the deck (Winter Sown babies, and random things I've collected there), put the WS stuff in the ground whether it's ready or not, and get out the power washer for that deck, Wheeeeeee!!!!!!!! =)

Here's a couple close-ups of each side of the bed. You can tell by the lighting that it REALLY gets shade back there most of the day. Took those pics at about 11:00 in the morning or so. And it was sunny out!

Koshki, bring the orchids on over, I promise to treat them well!! ;P heeheeheee

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DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 6, 2012
11:41 AM

Post #9112723

Oh, it's great, and look at all your babies! They will love their new home.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

May 6, 2012
7:36 PM

Post #9113303

O you know I was just joking. That is some nice digging to level your platforms. I had to dig a trench like that a bunch of years ago. Interesting what you can do when you put your mind to it. :)

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 7, 2012
3:07 AM

Post #9113546

Amanda, and your back to it, too. =P That's some seriously hard work!

I moved several new things out into and ONto the bed yesterday while getting the deck cleared of all the Winter Sowing stuff I'd done. NOT a stellar year for winter sowing, bah humbug! Lots of the 'successes' got transplanted into containers, they're still just too darned little for a real bed... not to mention, the bed I wanted to put most of 'em in still isn't weeded out yet. **GASP!!**

I hope those 2 shelves full of Chaste Trees does ok back there, they're not gonna get much sun there (if any at all), but I just HAD to put them somewhere.

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

May 7, 2012
10:15 AM

Post #9114050

Hey girl - I liked your idea on the WS forum to pour your dud containers into one and spread that soil in a bed.

I only had a handful (out of dozens of handfuls!) that did not sprout at least 1. Thought I would go back and try to start some again of those where only a single or 2 or 3 sprouts came up, but I thought better of it.

Once I get all these seedlings planted out I can start on the next round of seed starting. Maybe I won't wait - it will never get done, and there are a couple of things I obtained recently that I'd like to see bloom before November frost. :D

A.
Pippi21
Silver Spring, MD
(Zone 6b)

May 13, 2012
6:10 PM

Post #9122543

Speedibean..do you have saucers under all those pots? You might want to consider buying some because if left on your bench, it might stain it, when the soil and water start sifting through. I have a spot on my patio/breezeway that I have to try to use jet spray or clean it up with a stiff brush.

I've found that once the seedlings have gone into the ground(flowerbed)they seem to start growing better. Just my two cents..a different type of soil to grow in.

It's going to be a busy week for me..getting everything together for the plant swap and helping Friday with a Memorial service reception after the funeral.

My daughter and grandchildren came over this afternoon and bought me two 5 gal. buckets full of coreopsis "Zagreb" that she had dug up because it had grown so big. She gave me my first start a few years ago and I've already divided that once and it's getting ready to bloom in a week or two..I can see the little yellow buds all over it. I cut off the
foliage of what she gave me today, divided it with a flat blade shovel and planted it where I could find a bare spot. The gnats about eat me alive outside. Must have lost a few pounds swatting at them. I figure if this don't bloom this coming summer, no big deal, they will in 2013..and later on this fall I can deal with the plants more and maybe dig up and divide some more.

Hoping for rain tonight; we actually need it. Bet that is why the gnats were so bad today.



speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 15, 2012
4:12 AM

Post #9124379

Betty, Oooops!! No Ma'am, I do not have saucers under all of them, just **some** of them have built-in saucers. YIKES!! Thank you for bringing this up, I'll get some at work today!

Oh, YAY on your new Coreopsis!! I love those things! =)
susanl61520
Canton, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 27, 2012
10:35 AM

Post #9140505

I know I am a bit late to this conversation, but I have a couple ideas/ suggestions

for your fence, i saw a really cool planting system using old guttering. you attach it every couple of feet with screws with washers and hang it on a very slight angle, so you only have to water one end of it. when i first read your beginning to this thread, i was thinking you have the perfect place for that sort of garden. and i buy some cheap plastic watering cans, cut the side of them out so you can tip them like they are watering your troughs and plant something in them in that side cut... not sure i am getting this picture described like it is coming to me, tho

so from left to right it would be:
watering can, tipped on its side a bit like its pouring (with a plant growing out the "top" which has been cut away) a piece of guttering (high point here) filled with potting mix and upright plants... other end of guttering about 1" to 2" lower than the left end... another watering can tipped hanging in a way that makes it look like any water from the top trough is running into the watering can and then being poured into trough #2 (which is about 4-6" below trough #1) and so on...

here, i found a link with images to show the idea of gutter gardening (u would just have to add the watering cans to make it complete)

http://www.clairepotterdesign.com/theecospot/category/brighton/



also, on the pump i would plant a slow growing clematis in the ground by it and use moss rose in the pot on it (they like full sun but do well in shade too)

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

May 27, 2012
10:55 AM

Post #9140526

Wow - self watering - I like the idea. I think Susan may be on to something here, but it would prolly have to be mostly shade tolerant species in that area out back. It would go great with everything being on an angle, but it would (again!) make your container stadium seating look like it was off kilter. :D
susanl61520
Canton, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 27, 2012
11:48 AM

Post #9140589

Amanda- just saw off a leg on all seating... nobody will notice!

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

May 30, 2012
1:00 AM

Post #9144329

Aww geez, Susan, if it were only that easy. Have you seen the pictures, above, of the before and after? I wouldn't know which leg of the chair to cut off.

The stadium seating I'm referring to is Speediebean's container garden stadium seats. On a hill, on a slope, in a plane on a train . . ... :D

It makes me dizzy just thinking about what the gutter garden would look like on the fence behind it.

I think since it is "the neighbor's fence" she didn't want to attach anything to it. Maybe her handy hubby can figure out how to build a frame to put the gutters in and attach a kick stand to it.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 30, 2012
3:17 AM

Post #9144386

Hiya folks!! Busy busy lately, at work, then coming home and making sure all the babies are watered... gosh it's hot!!

Amanda, you are right, since it's the neighbor's fence I really didn't want to get real aggressive about attaching anything to it. Since the benches are up against that fence now, I don't see any way to get to it, other than clearing away all the pots and climbing up the bench. (like stadium seating, perfect description!!) Then again, considering the height of the top tier, there's not much fence showing anymore anyway. I've got decent sized pots on that top tier and the plants now pretty much go all the way up to the top of the fence... and my onion comes up OVER the top of the fence. There really isn't anywhere to put the gutter idea now. I'll try to get in here either later today or in the morning to share some updated pics of how it's looking now. The Columbines aren't doing very well, I don't think they liked being transplanted. =( I did sow some Columbine seeds, so we'll see how those ones take. I may just pop a few seeds into the containers that hold the transplants, see if they'll just take over. Everyone else out there seems to be very happy though. I think I need more Hostas. < =D
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 30, 2012
5:47 AM

Post #9144481

Hi Speedie,

It's been such fun watching what you are doing. I LOVE big projects. They can make you a little crazy, and sometimes you start them without knowing quite where they will end up, but they are worth it! Looking very forward to your pics.

Donna
susanl61520
Canton, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 30, 2012
7:37 PM

Post #9145507

yea, i tried to read it all, but got this image of gutter gardening in my head and skipped to the end to post it before i forgot! LOL

AmandaEsq

AmandaEsq
Greensboro, NC
(Zone 7b)

May 30, 2012
7:42 PM

Post #9145527

i couldn't remember the other day what it reminded me of, but I do now - that game "Mousetrap" wasn't it? Where the ball would roll along those troughs and gutters? :D
susanl61520
Canton, IL
(Zone 5a)

May 30, 2012
8:21 PM

Post #9145583

yes! that is alot like the concept ive laid out... too funny!

ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2012
1:32 AM

Post #9145699

Just jumping in here. Ditchlilies here were nearly out of controle.I used Roundup-premixed for poison Ivey. Now the number of lilies is smaller. They will get treated whenever I am using RU on weeds in that area.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 31, 2012
2:32 AM

Post #9145708

No ditchlilies for me, I have learned my lesson (somewhere in here), and now I am careful to warn others to steer clear of them! =) I had a guy (customer) at work the other day suggesting that he might sneakily try to dig some of those "pretty day lilies" up from along-side the road one day and plant them in his yard... I jumped on that one boy, lemme tell ya!! "Noooooo, those aren't regular Day Lilies, those are DITCHlilies and they are EVIL!!!!" LOL!!!!

Well, I do have a couple new pics to share, they are close-ups of my Setcretias who have blooms on them now, YIPPEEE!!! =)

The first pic is the one on the right bench, the second pic is the one on the left bench.
I REALLY need to get those Cosmos out of their pots and into the ground... turns out what I **thought** was Vitex is really Cosmos.. what a NINNY I am!!!!!
I also have 3 little 4" potted Lemon Grasses sitting along the edge of the "bed" (on the railroad tie), that NEED to get potted up into proper sized containers as well... Gonna have to check to see if I have any more big containers left, and if not, I'll have to buy 3 of 'em at work today. =) (Love a good excuse to shop!) < =D

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ge1836

ge1836
Pittsford, NY
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2012
2:57 AM

Post #9145718

Here is what I have learned about invasives. 5 years ago I casually planted some thinking that part of the garden would never change so what the ehck.
WRONG.the garden is always changing and I am truely sorry I planted stuf. Ditch lilies ( which were here when we moved in ) are slowly going as I find better replacements.
Anthemis is another one.

speediebean

speediebean
Somewhere in, MD
(Zone 7b)

May 31, 2012
3:05 AM

Post #9145729

That reminds me!! I've got one potted Aegepodium that is currently flowering. I will HAVE to prune those blooms 'cause I don't think I want that stuff taking over the back yard. ... then again, I have NOTHING else going on in the back yard, so it might be nice to have a little something to look at ... no, wait, what am I thinking!?!?!? Pruners will be busy when I get home from work today! =)

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