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It looks like Spring is already here in Dallas.
The sky is blue, the birds are singing and I have a huge problem of "garden fever".
Am I the only one?
Let's start to talk about what you are already started indoor and outdoor in ZONE 8.
I'd like to start this thread and thank everybody that in the previous year’s help me a lot with my gardening.
I would have not be able to learn so much without the help of fantastic Davesgarden members.
I am going to begin with the hero of the spring and early summer season here in Zone 8: TOMATOES
I started my tomatoes indoor in December and I did plant out 40 plants last Friday.
The plants are under a hoop house and doing well.
PEPPERS: This year I did start on January 12th
I am growing only sweet peppers.
I have already potted the best seedlings up to a 6" pot.
I am planning to transplant them out end of March - beginning of April.
Last year I did transplant my peppers too early - and some did get stunt ... I think
Well, let's see...besides tomatoes I started indoors several varieties of Chinese cabbage, two varieties of romaine lettuce, collard greens, four varieties of eggplants and one pot of cilantro. It's all up and the cabbage and lettuce and collards have been set out in the garden. Eggplants really like warm feet so it will be a while before they make it to the garden. Planted two varieties of sweet peppers in the last couple days. They are on heat mat at night and outside on warm sunny days.
Yet to be planted indoors are a six squash seeds and a dozen cucumber seeds.
I planted direct into the garden three varieties of beets, collard greens, three varieties of Chinese cabbage, two varieties of romaine lettuce, swiss chard, potatoes, lots of different types of radish, turnips and mustard, and as always Dixondale onion plants. Everything is up but the potatoes. I feel lucky in that I have great stands of everything I planted. So far so good!
I have a good stand of volunteer dill scattered about the garden. One of the dill has already formed a nice head.
Today I set out 10 tomato plants bringing the total to date to 26. I will plant 13 more in pots and raised bed starting tomorrow and 16 in my straw bales in two or three weeks.
Will be planting soon in the garden cucumbers, okra, corn and pepper plants.
TexasRock, you are way ahead of me! I did the final soil prep for some peas, broccoli transplants, beets, lettuce, and spinach today. I hope to get the rows raked up and seeds in as well. I also have to get the plastic fencing up to keep the dogs from wandering through and to at least discourage our resident rabbits. The rabbits love to nip the pea seedlings as they sprout. : ( I hope to have some tomatoes planted in Season Starters in a couple of weeks.
My eggplants are coming along in 4" pots. They are about 2-3" tall. I recently planted Lemmes Italian peppers (saved seeds from last year) and an F1 bell pepper from Twilly's Seed co. but they have not come up yet. I plan to buy 4 or so jumbo jalapeños from nursery or big box store.
David, being ahead doesn't being first at the finish line.:) All we need is a severe winter storm to settle in for a couple days and the show will be over for me. I do have backup supply of tomatoes. As a matter of fact I have 56 needing to be potted up to 4" pots today or tomorrow. By March 15 or shortly thereafter I'll have leftover mater plants ready for the compost bins.
Ggirl ask, "Is there time for turnip roots to form from seeds sown now, in the Texas area? When did you sow your beets seeds? What kinda greens are you growing?"
I use a Central Texas Vegetable & Herb Planting Calendar (laminated Gantt Chart) by Diane Young. It shows to have turnip seed in the ground b4 March 1. The greens I planted were a hodgepodge of all the seed pkts of mustard, turnips and radish I had bought over the past four years. A house cleaning so to speak. I got amazing germination much to my surprise. They are as thick as dog hair. I pull up handfuls wash the roots and feed them to the chickens. I think the mustard was Savannah and Florida Broad leaf. The turnips White Lady, Shogoin and Tokyo Cross, all white turnips.
I planted beets as well as all the cabbages, lettuces and chard on Jan 18 or 23. I wrote it on the calendar both days but only planted on one of the days. The beet varieties are Ace, Kestrel and Pacemaker lll (new). Last year I canned (pickled) 3 or 4 quarts and 3 or 4 pints of beets. Looking forward to increasing that amount by about 50% this year.
I'm a little behind the eight ball (as usual), but I did get my tomatoes and peppers started today. I still need to plant my jalapenos, though. Also plan on getting my peas planted this week. I do have onions already planted.
I have direct seeded some BASIL near my tomatoes.
Also, I have noticed that some "COW-PEA" seeds left in the garden last year, did germinate on their own ... they are about 3" tall ...weeeeee
Right now it is 77F ...
Stephanie, many people on DG plant out eariler then your average gardener (myself included) but this requires having the time to protect them if/when it freezes. I dont plant out my main crop until after Easter. SOMETIMES those that I planted later produce before the early ones, it all depends on the weather, which is changing hourly at the moment. lol Many times the early ones have next to no root system, Im assuming that has to do with the soil temps (?) but not really sure.
That beinging said you may get tomatoes over the summer but if you keep your plants a live over the summer you will have a great fall crop. Last summer was the first year I didnt have some tomatoes all summer long.
Steph, I'm glad to see your putting in carrots too. I wasn't sure, but decided at the last minute for more carrots and beets.
Also sowed more lettuce, trying 'salad bowl' for the first time.
Another first, radish.. 'black spanish', suppose to be hot!
I'm headed out in a few to seed 'bush blue lake'.
Then maybe start soaking some okra...can't decide.
Sorry, Linda. I should have been more specific. I'd be soaking and starting these indoors to plant out next month.
School is out this week, 7 days to do nothing but plant seeds! And the ground is still too wet and too early to get out into the field. :0(
My peppers indoor are growing really well.
Half of them have baby pepper fruits.
My eggplants also started to make beautiful purple flowers.
Tomorrow I will start seeds indoor of:
I usually just direct sow cukes, watermelon, and okra. I do soak the okra seeds overnight tho. Seems like I had better luck direct sowing than transplanting. Also, I have some cantaloupe seedlings popping up in the midst of my onion bed. LOL
I've got the transplant bug too, just seems to work better then direct sowing for me. I think it's because our sandy soil is hard to keep moist enough for things that require longer germination. I hate dragging the hose out this early in the season as well.
I'll have to direct sow watermelons this year, because I'm planning a large patch.
I am going to sow inside some Armenian cucumbers (really a melon). Haven't grown them before, but figure if they don't transplant well, it will still give me plenty of time to direct sow some more.
Steph, remember the conversation about elephant garlic, and toes vs. bulblets. One worked for you and the other for me. Well last fall, none of my bulblets came up! Just like mother nature to prove me a fool, just when I got it all figured out.lol Luckily I still had some toes left over and sprouting.
Today at my garden club meeting we had a fantastic program titled "sex in the garden".
It was a fantastic slide show presentation with insects and pollinators in the garden. Just amazing.
In one of her slide show she wrote that Eggplants need to be pollinate in order to have fruits ...
That's ok ... I can wait.
Eggplants here grow so well and at the end of the season I am overwelmed.
I don't understand what you guys are talking about GARLIC ...
I planted mine at the end of September and some more at the end of October and they will be ready soon ... and I cannot wait !!
I have trouble with eggplants..sigh..I think my soil is too acidic for them. I've decided to wait till next year to try them again, once I raise the ph.
Elephant garlic is not a true garlic. I think it's in the leek family, only it looks like a HUGE head of garlic. They are grown by cloves (called toes) and they also produce a small hard bulblets that you plant like a seed.
You must try them, Drthor! You cut the top off, drizzle with olive oil and roast till softened. Then you squeeze the cloves onto fresh bread. Yum!
They are milder in flavor then a true garlic, so you can eat more!
80% of the cucumbers I have sown on the 15th (2 days ago) have germinated and also the Okra WOW ... so fast !
Tomatoes outside are growing well.
I have started to hardening off in my back porch peppers and eggplants.
We planted our peas today! We planted both Wando and Alaska. The Alaska's are old, so it'll be interesting to see if they do anything. The radishes are up and I saw one carrot sprout today. Yippee!! I think we're planting pole beans tomorrow!
drthor wrote:WOW ... I don't understand how you can grow PEAS now ... I never had good luck with them. You must have a super green thumb
Me neither. All the green peas I've been able to grow stopped flowering and producing new pods as soon as the daytime temperatures got into the 80's. Here in Florida (and in Georgia), that doesn't leave much of a season between the last hard freeze and the heat. Starting in March the only peas grown here are Vignas (cowpeas).
Are purple hull peas considered "cow peas")? I was given some purple hull peas to plant and I'm not sure I know what to do with them. I've only tried growing sugar snap peas and snow peas both with dismal results. I'm going to try them again this year, both on a trellis like I have in the past..
Yes, they fall in the southern pea category. They are black-eyed peas and grow about 12"-18" tall. They either need to be grown between two closely spaced cattle panels or on some kind of support. The first time I grew them, we didn't know that and it was a pain to pick them.
They're also a pain to shell. When my dad was a traveling salesman (he only traveled by car) and I was a young sprout, he would stop at a roadside vegetable stand in the summer and buy several pounds of purple hull peas. By the time he arrived home after driving sixty to a hundred miles, he'd have all of peas shelled having left his car window open so he could toss the hulls out the window as he shelled them. He held the pan for the peas in his lap and steered the car with his knees. My mom liked when he did this it since all she had to do was cook them and makes a pan of cornbread to go with them. Life was so much simpler back then. My childhood memories of eating purple hull peas were what made me think to ask the farmer I met for some seeds.
My dad also helped me become an entrepreneur when I was still a sprout. At the same vegetable stand he would buy huge watermelons and bring them home. I would put 2 in my little red wagon (they were so huge that’s all it would hold) and I would pull my wagon around the neighborhood selling watermelons for $0.25 each. I never knew for sure if I was a great salesman or if my dad would call our neighbors and ask them to buy a watermelon from me, because I don’t remember anyone ever turning me down. The best part was that I never paid my dad for the cost of the watermelons so every sale was pure profit for me.
When I was a kid, we had a gadget with a pea-pod sized hole that had
a handle that held a razor blade. To use, you just pulled the black-eye or purple-hull through the hole. The tough skin was sliced open and you could easily shell the peas by running your thumb down the slit. My mom pressure canned the peas we grew.
The plants grew really well and beautiful.
Lots of leaves in the summer ... with our record 100 F degrees days and almost no water.
I kept cutting the vines to fed my DH pets.
All of a sudden at the end of August ,beginning of September lots of pods started to form.
I harvested them when they were tender and ate them like green beans ... I have no patience to shell them ...
They were just delish and full of good vitamins.
My tomatoes are growing really well and making flowers.
Most of the plants are touching the top of the plastic cover.
Soon I will need to remove the PVC hoop house ...
But for now ... the wind is blowing too high and the plastic is really protecting those plants.
I did fertilized them yesterday with 1tbsp of BAT GUANO each plant
dreaves wrote:I found the Mr Pea Sheller last night, when I started looking for the sheller we used when I was a kid. I have one of the hand-cranked shellers on order. We will see how it works!
I ordered one today, too. I'm planning cowpeas (aka Southern Peas) and edamame, so hopefully it will be worth the price. Either that or I'll use it as a conversation piece on the living room table. ;o)
Decorative, pecdorative, drthor. Cowpeas are made for eating, maybe secondarily for decoration. If you don't eat your cowpeas, send them to me and I'll shell them with my handy dandy Mr Pea Sheller and eat them.
But yeah, you were too manly-man to order one that uses a power drill to turn the crank. You bought one that you have to crank by hand. I bought the girly-mon version that you don't have to expend any effort to turn it. My dad will probably turn over in his grave when he finds out I'm not shelling peas by hand like he taught me when I was a boy..
I may make one of the blade cutter versions just to demonstrate to my daughters. I can't find the plastic-handle hull cutter online except as a historical item on EBay.
To make a sheller, it is easy to drill a hole, 3/8" or 1/2" in a small block of wood, Then, tap an Exacto-knife blade into the side of the block, into the hole, so that the tip is exposed inside the hole. Cut or break the excess blade off the block. When you push/pull the pea through the hole, the blade tip slices the pea hull, making it easy to run a thumb down the hull and shell the peas. That's how we shelled peas for years (but later used the store-bought plastic version.)
rjoden I have six kitties now in the house. My DH brought me home two new ones, they are identical twins ... he said:"go in the bedroom and you will find a surprise ..."
All my kitties are well behave (no jumping or breaking stuff) and they all like different things ... I am glad that only one likes to chew on plant leaves.
He has a plant that he chews once in a while - he likes pointy leaves ...
Pallina likes to eat vegetables,Torchy likes popcorn, Nemo is food aggressive and he steals gnam-gnam from the other kitties, the new twins, Pupa and Truffles, so far just play with each other and they are full of love ... and with that face ... sooo cute
I forgot ... last year Bronto sat on op of my just emergency seedlings ... I think because he felt the warmth of the heating mat ...
I have started from seeds indoor:
I am hardening off some runner beans.
I have prepared a new area to grow beans ... I found the net at Lowes and I just attached to my fence. Why not?
It is a new area for me. There are sprinklers in the other side of the fence, and I am sure that the soil will be wet enough for the beans.
drthor wrote:I forgot ... last year Bronto sat on op of my just emergency seedlings ... I think because he felt the warmth of the heating mat ...
I think you may be reading too much into it. In my experience, cats do things just for the sake of doing them. Anything new in the house, my cats have to climb on / jump in / try to play with. I count myself fortunate neither of them feels compelled to taste everything, though Sid does have a little chewing problem. There are a LOT of plastic plant tags around here with teeth marks, and if I'm not careful to put them away, I will find them in the oddest places (kitchen, bathroom, sofa). He thinks everything is a toy.
I think yesterday was a bit too hot for my English peas. If I get home tonight and they look like they did yesterday I'll be pulling them out and planting green beans in their place. My soil isn't warm enough for peppers yet. The soil is still so saturated and I think that is keeping the soil temps lower. Maybe sometime this week if we get more sun. I usually dont' put my peppers out until my pecan trees start to leaf out. And no leaves on the pecan trees out at my place yet. I'm kind of hoping they are late and not just dead! My oaks just did leaf out...
Oh no, I was cheering for the peas, Terry. I've never been able to grow them well and have given up..for now.lol
We lost our pecan and all the magnolias. I was wondering were to plant the luffa gourds, I've got my cattle panels save for other plants. Thought to myself, why not use the dead magnolias.lol If that's lemons to lemon-aid, I don't know what is ;0)
The luffa on the dead magnolia I think would look cool!
Every year DH tells me the pecans are dead. And every year they leaf out once the temps get consistantly up in the 80's. These trees are huge. One of them showed signs of stress last year (see photo), but the other four looked OK. They all produced good crops of pecans last year. If they are still alive then this year will be slim. The guy down the road from us told me that around here you plant out your peppers when the pecan trees leaf out, so I've always done that.
Sorry about your magnolias. We only have two. One did great as it is in the middle of a rose bed and got a good soaking once a week. The second is on it's own right now and we just hand carried water to it every week or so. It did loose some limbs, but is still alive...
Terry, your pecan looks pretty good to me! When I had pecans in the city they were always shedding branches, drought or no drought. The pecan I lost was the second sapling to die on me. I can't seem to find a good spot around here. Are yours on more of a clay base?
Stephanie, still cheering on your peas :0) gooo peas!
zone 5 here and it's spring:) Been close to 80's and I have got my tomatoes going...Peppers...cucumbers...all inside and really growing...a few others and feeding with worm compost. Moved nineteen plants to larger pots yesterday. The only thing I dared to start outside was peas I popped into the soil by my porch trellis with a few 4 o clocks and morning glory seeds. Peas are a cold agreeable veggie so I just did it. Was tempted to plant some other cold loving veggies...but decided to give it a few more weeks..or at least a couple lol.
cocoa_lulu wrote:Terry, your pecan looks pretty good to me! When I had pecans in the city they were always shedding branches, drought or no drought.
...and if you know anybody who makes their own BBQ, save that deadwood! As long as it's not completely rotted through, it's excellent for smoking meat, and it can be very hard to find unless you are in an area where there are a lot of Pecan groves.
One of the old trees practically exploded about three years ago. We cut it down and I have a rather large pile of pecan wood. I burned it in the fire place this past winter. The yard smelled very nice! =)
Mmm, yes. We throw our fruit and hickory woods right on the grill coals too. Not as strong as smoking, can still be tasted tho. I get upset if catch hubby throwing fruit wood in the regular ole brush pile.
I got more tomatoes planted and should be done with them tonight, tomorrow okra and squash. Then, maybe, I can start thinking about starting more seeds, yay!
Can't believe it, but my purplehull peas popped up over the weekend! Squash and cucumbers are peeking through too. Dusted with Sevin this morning. I have both flea beetles and cucumber beetles munching on the green beans. I was gone over the weekend and the baby beans were decimated. I will probably have to replant. : (
Oh no, Dreaves. Hate it when they undo all our hard work. Found that something is munching my green beans too. My biggest spring nemesis are the worms. They are thick this year, I keep finding inch worms crawling on ME!
I just planted out a new bush bean (for me). Vittoria. This is going to be my year for new beans to try! Pole beans, bush beans--we've going to have a very beany season this year, LOL! Oh, and new squash too.
I was going to rip out all of my English peas. Upon inspection I discovered that two varieties were not doing half bad. So I left a half row of Sweet Provence and almost a full row of Freezonia. I don't know how I missed that Freezonia had a bunch of pods going. But I'm going to try a fall planting of English peas and see if I can get better production. I also think I may have planted too deep. I'm used to planting peas in a northern garden. It may be that peas are like grafted roses and planting depth varies with planting zone.
in Dallas the "Pea" experts told me that we have two dates to successful seed peas: September 1st and February 1st
Good luck and keep posting
I have removed all of my Broccoli, Kales, Kohlrabi, Spinach and Fennel.
My planting out date will be MONDAY April 2nd FRUIT day until 3pm.
I will transplant: Cucumbers. Squash, Watermelons, Peppers and Eggplants ... weeee
Same here, Terry. We love beans! I've got Valentine Black, blue Lake, Cream-40, noid cream pea, and some asparagus types for this year. I still may pick up some wax beans. I desperately want some purple colored green beans, too late to order. Please, let me know if you see any locally. What kind of squash are you doing?
Thanks, Dthor. Next time I try them will be a fall planting. Every time I've tried them February, more then half rot. Transplanting would do them well, but it would take way too many to do that sort of work.lol
Edited to say, I think snow peas do better then others for the south, but those have been persnickity here as well ;0)
I have planted some zucchini between the garlic this year too ...
Right now I am eating lots of Swiss Chard and I am using small radishes seed pods in my DH salad.
They are really spicy, but he loves them ...
drthor wrote:Tomatoes are making lot of fruits and growing well.
I keep removing suckers every day ... it seems they grow like 2" overnight !
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This is my first year having any luck with tomatoes. I'm used to starting them in May in Tennessee and if you start them in May down here, it gets too hot before they can set fruit. This year I planted them in early March and they are going crazy. Would you mind describing to me or snapping a picture of a "sucker"? I have what I think may be suckers but I'm not sure. I know a rose sucker when I see it but not a tomato one! Thanks.
It is here already : the SQUASH VINE BORER !!!
I was outside looking at my cucumbers and I saw it !! monssssterrrrr
I went in the front to check my zucchini and every plant was full of eggs ... at least 20 each !!
I pick the one I found ... but I am sure I did miss a lot of them ...
Don't want to hear that about the Squash Borer. I wonder if there is something that can be injected into the stem to kill them. Maybe using a kitchen syringe. There has to be something. After all you hid your squash. I don't really care for Zuke but will they bother the cukes too?
This is going to be a really bad year for bugs. Almost every whole I dig has a grub in it, but I like smashing them. Lol. Then the fowl eat them.
She put them in a totally different location. I didn't even know what they were until I moved to TX. I didn't have them in SOCAL. In fact if I had 3 plants the neighbors hated me by the end of the season.lol
I try to plant my cukes and such later here to avoid them all together but I really want to make pickles this year. I haven't been able to do that in a long time. Can you give a quick run down of some of the preventative measures? So they are all in one place. Thanks.
From what I've read, the best defense against the SVB is PREEMPTIVE TIMING of when that moth comes around to lay the eggs. I believe it's supposed to happen around mid-June, but looks like that has been thrown off by our mild winter weather. All sorts of creatures usually controlled by the winter are multiplying and swarming like crazy. Yesterday I heard the termites are having a field day, so watch out.
If it were a "normal" season, the suggestion is to cover the squash seedlings with floating row cover or some lightweight, breathable fabric at plant out so that when the moth comes round, it can't land on the vines to lay the eggs. The cover stays on until after the egg-laying season, then you can remove it.
Yes Linda, that's one way. The downside to that one is lack of pollination with row covers on. One could hand pollinate but I feel so ... odd ... hand pollinating those large squash flowers. [giggling here]
Lisa, I believe you and I engaged in this SVB discussion last year and you had difficulty getting your head around my toilet paper roll defensive jackets. :-)))) The first year I grew squash here, I lost the entire batch, like drthor, to svb. did a bunch of research and found some information about enclosing the vine in a length of pantyhose secured at ground level with some wet soil. I did this one year and had no svb. I was talking it up on another board and somone mentioned they had used empty toilet paper rolls with the same good results...and it's easier than putting panty hose on the vine. That's what I did last year. No SVB.
Okay, this may be coincidence but I'm going with it again this year. Photo below. The idea is that the svb emerges AT THE SOIL LEVEL to lay her eggs. If you can protect the first 3 inches of the vine, you're good. Lisa, your comment was that the SVB lays eggs all along the vine. My returning comment was/is...only if they can get to the vine from the soil level. That's what I hear. Try it. What else are you doing with old, used up toilet paper rolls? ;-)
As you can see, these are planted at the base of an old grapefruit tree. My plan is to let them climb up. The second pic gives you a long shot of the area. (This is my new straw wattle garden, the one on the left is 'under construction', the cinder blocks will grow some cutting celery and flowering plants for bee attractors, not yet filled or planted. Too few hours in the day.)
BTW, I *think* I'm on topic except my zone is off. I'll slink over to dreaves Veggie Garden thread next.
The best preventative maintenance for the SVB is to not plant squash. LOL I also think growing vertically is supposed to help. I've only grown squash once since I'm not a squash fan. We had every single vine attacked by SVB so I gave up. They also attacked the pumpkins I planted.
Would 4" lengths of PVC pipe over the plants like your TP tubes work as well? The PVC could even be cut to 6" and shoved down into the ground 2". I think it's a stroke of genius you're exhibiting there!
This gives me courage to go forward with my ONE zucchini squash plant that I currently have under lights inside.
Once I plant it out (hopefully this weekend), this is what it'll grow on.
Here in ZONE 8a, last year I was very successful growing Zucchetta Tromboncino (which it was suppose to be a SVB free plant)
I had so many beautiful zucchini and they tasted so sweet.
I hope it will be the same this year.
I am not going to treat or do anything for the SVB ... if it doesn't grow here ... it is just not meant to grow.
I find that implication offensive and fail to see who it is that you are agreeing with. You stated that squash vine borers decimated your crop of squash. "Some" members were attempting to assist. Where's the trouble?
Spraying with Bt weekly is supposed to help, too. However, if it rains, you have to reapply. You can also inject Bt into the stems of the plants above and below the site of the borer and supposedly kill the worm. I've also seen videos on YouTube of gardeners who slice the stem open, remove the worm, then close the vine and wrap with pantyhose or bury it to allow the stem to grow back together. I've tried Bt and it was marginally successful, but you have to be vigilant in applying.
thanks so much for your reply.
When I started to garden here in DFW I just couldn't believe I was not able to grow zucchini !
Many time I have heard from my (no-TX) friends that the easiest vegetable to grow is zucchini ... but I just couldn't !
I normally had just a few zucchini and after the plant will just wilt and dye.
I have read all about the SVB and seen the youtube videos ... spayed BT and bad stuff like Azatrol ... used the foil, the toilet paper roll and the silver mulch ... I am done !
So I just keep my finger crossed I might harvest some fruits ...
You let me know how you will do in Forth Worth ... it seems like you have the "gold" thumb for crops I cannot grow here in Irving.
Some people don't understand the full concept of message boards and public discussion. Once a discussion is opened, anyone can choose to participate. Generally it is accepted that the content of messages posted are relevant to the topic/forum, but that has some flexibility. If a topic is not open for full, public, discussion then it should be done through e-mail or other private channels. It is expected on a medium like Dave's that everyone is permitted (even encouraged) to participate. Even the regional forums aren't restricted. It's generally considered that everyone can have relevant opinions and can contribute useful information regardless of their location. A case in point is Dr Carolyn Male, tomato expert. She lives in New York-- if she was only allowed to discuss tomatoes with others in her area the rest of us would lose a huge resource. Others may not be quite so expert, but still have experience and ideas to share.
Drthor, just plant another zucchini seed a month from now. The SVB take time to kill a vine. By the time the second plant is producing, pull and destroy the first planted zucchini. Works better then crossing fingers.lol
From the paperwork I have the SVB is usually active around April and May. The vining squash (pumpkins) that I grow I normally direct seed around June or July, so I miss the SVB "window".
I just talked to a friend of mine today and she just lost a zuke plant to squash bugs, I'm with Stephanie tho. I don't like squash enough to go to a lot of trouble to grow it. Lol
Mary, thank you I get how the roll protects the stem on bush varieties but I don't know how it would do on the vining types? But since I plant them later in the year I don't seem to have a problem. One reason that crop rotation is done is so pests won't continue to thrive in the same location. My first couple of yrs of gardening here I didn't have any problems with bugs but each yr after well...in So Cal I had Zukes coming out of my ears. Lol now I just plant later.
Linda, zukes are generally a bush plant, I don't think they need to climb on anything.???
The bugs are going to be bad this year. I know that anything I let complete it's life cycle will come back to haunt me next year. ARGH...Mary, since your in the same zone as GG you both can give us a heads up on what to expect. Lol
I was outside today removing all of those SVB eggs with a sticky tape ... I turned around and the SVB was just following me putting new eggs on the plants !!
By the way, the squash growing by itself in my compost bin is already huge !!
I will try to seed more plants like cocoa_lulu suggested later in the season ...
stephanietx wrote:Spraying with Bt weekly is supposed to help, too. However, if it rains, you have to reapply. You can also inject Bt into the stems of the plants above and below the site of the borer and supposedly kill the worm. I've also seen videos on YouTube of gardeners who slice the stem open, remove the worm, then close the vine and wrap with pantyhose or bury it to allow the stem to grow back together. I've tried Bt and it was marginally successful, but you have to be vigilant in applying.
I think it would be interesting to try injecting the hollow stems with some BT suspension before the worms get in. If they are consistently boring in at the soil line, you need only inject that section of stem. AFAIK it is sunlight and/or rain that deactivates or washes off the BT protection, so if the bacteria are inside the stem it should persist, right? Hypodermic needles and syringes are available from most livestock supply stores - they sell the jumbo sizes needed for cows & horses, which would be dandy for a bunch of squash. No reason to do any cutting or pasting - the injection hole is very small.
Now I wish I'd left room in my plan for squash...maybe I can do without some of the beans.
I was upset I gave a lot of them away, because their taste was just the best.
They are yellow-orange inside and very very long !
I harvested millions in October last year. FANSTASTIC and really recommended !
Rich, the short answer is, it's a squash not a gourd. And they do grow quite large (long). Mine grew up (and over) my chain link fence. And don't forget about spaghetti squash!
cocoa_lulu, You are right about succession planting to get summer squash even if SVB are around. That was one method mentioned in an article I read about control methods. By the time the bug has decimated your first plant, the next ones are coming up. And so on. Good idea, thanks for the reminder.
Seeing as my one and ONLY Zucchini squash plant is getting ready for the journey outside, I'm thinking I might try Rich's suggestion and shoot that bad boy up early on. I was fascinated the first time I read about injecting through the stem into the predator without having to cut through too much of the stem.
My only concern is how the Bt will infiltrate the worm. Will external contact with the Bt do it, or does the worm still have to eat some of the vine pulp to ingest the poison?
I guess these are the kinds of words Edison used before he invented that light bulb, huh?
Rjogden, tromboncino is a C. moschata. All moschatas are know for solid stems, and SVB resistance. Some I think of as pumpkins, others winter squash, or winter squash eaten young as zucchini, or zucchini.lol I guess it just depends on the variety, it's look, personal preference and, or, use.
I'm testing out 8 varieties of moschatas this year, going to narrow down my preferences.
Bye bye garden ... I will leave for a 2 weeks trip leaving my DH in charge ... ooohh
I have installed some extra security patrol for my tomatoes: Giovanni, Guido and Giuseppe ... the ferocious snakes ...
Now I am back and I started to harvest lots of tomatoes.
The tomato plants are loaded of fruits.
ONly one of the larger tomato is ready, the othes are still green.
In this picture you can also see RADISH SEED PODS ... it was just too hot for the radish root to form, so I let them go to seed.
If radish seed pods are harvested small they are very tender and good to eat.
Eggplants are growing great leaves but no fruit yet
Peppers are also growing and they have lots of small peppers
So my DH did a good job taking care of the veggie garden I while I was away. Nothing died !
I shall award him a GOLD medal
Aphids attached some of my cucumbers very bad.
I washed them out a little bit with water until I saw the baby lady bugs in action ... and left alone the plants.
Well ... my army of baby lady bugs is in action
I found 5 Tomato Hornworms yesterday ... ouch ... I normally have only 2 for season.
I showed them to my DH and he said to try to give them to the Box Tortoises !!
Tortoises can run really fast ! My Bazinga run to the worm and she ate them so fast !!
Now, my DH is looking for Tomato Hornoworms for his pets !!
Thanks I never grown cantaloupes. I will cover them with some leaves.
What about watermelons? First year also.
Here are some directed seeds of Moon and Stars ... they are growing so slow ... is it normal?
I grew Moon & Stars the first year we gardened. It took FOREVER for me to get any melons! I did have them in a partially shady spot, so that may have contributed to the slow growing. I have found that most watermelon doesn't set fruit until it's quite warm.