As per all the posts I made in last year's okra thread, I'll be growing a BUNCH of Stewart's Zeebest this year. That's a great variety!
We had a nice surprise the other day. I noticed what I thought was a good-size bag of frozen green beans from the garden in the freezer of my garage beer 'fridge. I told my wife about it and said we'd better use them up, as I'll be picking fresh green beans in a couple of months. She got the bag out, and it was OKRA. We thought we'd run out of frozen okra a couple of months ago. So, we had a big bunch of okra roasted with olive oil that evening that I didn't expect. Good!
I've been rationing last year's pickled okra all winter. I've got figured out that I can finish a pint of it every two weeks and it'll last until summer and (hopefully) more fresh okra being picked.
Speaking of pickled okra, what I made last year turned out great but I think I'll try something new. I've been making sauerkraut for a couple of years and it's so good I've become interested in lacto-fermentation. I'm determined to make some natural cucumber pickles this year by growing some little gherkin-type cukes and fermenting them like kraut in a food-grade plastic bucket with a weight on them and some grape leaves added for crispness (lots of recipes and the procedure can be found with a Google search).
Now I'm thinking about including some whole okra pods with the cukes to let them lacto-ferment together and make pickles. I think I'll try that with a small separate batch anyway - it oughta work.
This is my first year to try okra (or anything spring/summer from seed). I started my okra, peppers, and tomatoes at the same time in mid February. My 12 plants are about 4 inches tall and very bushy. Hope to get them in the ground first week of May!
"What's the recipe for roasted okra?"
Aha - my job is to raise it and eat it. Hang on while I call the cook.
Mrs. Ozark here! I wash the okra, cut the stem ends off, and cut the pods into bite-size pieces. Coat the pieces with olive oil, add salt, pepper, and a little cayenne pepper if desired. Spread them in a single layer on a cookie sheet lined with foil and roast in the oven at 400 degrees for about 20 minutes. Toward the end I watch them and will end the roasting a little earlier or later than 20 minutes based on appearance. When the pieces each have a little golden brown on them, they're done.
Other veggies may be added to the cookie sheet for roasting of course, but we like our okra straight. lol
Okra has been in the ground for a week and the deer and the bunnies have only eaten half of them so far. Chewed the leaves all the way to the stem but left the flowers. I should probably start more seed if I want to see any okra pods.
I've had great luck growing clemson spineless in a swampy part of the yard for the past two years. This year I have cajun delight and cowhorn. And they're in five gallon buckets instead of the ground. Not sure how that's going to go. I may have to plant an "emergency row" of the clemson in the swamp. Just in case.
Im planning on growing Jing Okra and maybe White Okra (never heard of it, somebody gave it to me). I say planning, because up until I read this thread the only way I would eat it is pickled. lol I have also done a quick inventory of seeds and there is no why that everything is going to fit in my one garden. May have to plant in my lower garden too. Tomatoes, peppers and beans are things I have to grow everything else is just for fun and has a much bigger plant out to harvest window.
Why do I have 9 types of basil (I guess those can go in containers), 5 types of Amaranth, 6 types of pumpkin/winter squash, 5 types of cucumbers, 7 types of melons, 7 Inca Berry Plants, tomatillos, ground cherries and Roselle? I was really hoping on down sizing this year. May have to rethink this...LOL
I actually have 2 big gardens but was planning on down sizing this year. I may not sow all the seeds I have. They will still be good next year.
Some of the seeds may get sown later. Ive never had a problem starting many of these much later in the season. The temps are going up and down so much right now, and I can only do so much in a day. It was in the high 40s last night. I just want to get my main stuff planted and my Market Plants done. Then I can relax and think what comes next.
Still cant figure out why/how I got all these seeds. LOL
I soaked Stewart's Zeebest okra seeds overnight, then started them indoors (where they still are until our weather stabilizes). In my experience, okra doesn't transplant real well but you can get away with it by being careful not to disturb the roots. Last year we had a cool, wet May and I had to replant okra about three times so I'm trying to avoid that this year.
Of the 46 seeds I sowed indoors only 28 came up. Still, if I can raise 28 plants of this variety that produced 5 to 7 pods a day per plant for me last year, that'll be a lot of okra!
Belle, no I never topped the plants but I broke off leaves several times so I could pick.
Stewart's Zeebest makes some real impressive plants with multiple branches. Last year I only had 8 plants in a 12-foot row, and that was 'way too close. This time I'm going to allow 3 feet between plants, and if I could bring myself to space okra that widely they probably ought to be even further apart than that. I'm glad those seeds are sprouting for you. As I said, I only had 28 of 46 seeds come up, so the germination could have been better.
I have seedlings still in the IHORT plugs. My plan is to pot them up one time, this evening.
Glad I haven't put them out yet, because the temps keep going up and down here. We're having mornings in the mid-50s. Last season, my plants didn't show anything because of our schizophrenic weather...And, as my weatherman reminded me this morning, we still have 5 months of HEAT ahead...
It was 47* this am. 62* at Austin Airport which is a distance from here. It's supposed to warmer then even cooler this weekend. It is helping me out tho because I don't feel like I need to get everything out there right now. The heat loving stuff can wait. Some of the best pumpkins I ever had I planted in August and they were ready just in time for Halloween.. My market tomatillos and Roselle are just sitting there they need hot weather and this isn't cutting it. But each cool day is one less hot day, the way I figure it.
I'm taking advantage of the cool days, though. I ask myself this one question:
"Would you rather tackle it NOW, in this cool weather, or would you rather wait for the fires of Hell?"
I tore through my yard this weekend, picking up everything in the "trash" category. Yesterday, I washed and disinfected all my seed trays, in preparation for starting my fall/winter seeds in mid-June. I'm targeting a fall/winter plant out beginning the 1-2 weekends in September, and the seedlings have to be good size by then.
►Painting Terra Cotta pots for my herb garden(s),
►Painting the deep drawers I scored in a TTT (trash to treasure) hunt. The drawers will become outdoor seed flats for the fall/wtr seeds.
I put my okra seeds out to soak with a bit of hydrogen peroxide in the water. I'll direct sow them either tomorrow or Thursday when I'm off. I've had great success direct sowing them the past 2 years. The one year I tried transplants, it took forever for them to get established and take off. I think pretty much the only thing I transplant is peppers & maters.
Our daytime temps are about 80 for now, but the problem is cold nights. I was going to transplant my okra into the garden today, but next Sunday and Monday nights are supposed to be about 40 degrees. That's too close to freezing, and I don't know how cold the following nights might be.
I think I'd better wait until that cold spell is over before I put the okra out. I can't hold it indoors much longer - I don't want to do TWO transplants with okra, but the seedlings are still in Jiffy Mix in egg cartons and they're getting leggy.
Linda, started the okra seeds I had soaking, and I noticed little air bubbles all around them, and they were always floating, is this normal? First time working with okra seeds so don't know ANYTHING about them... Plan on doing some direct in garden and some containers. If I start some in some 2.5 gallon pots can I transfer them to larger pots later?? Talked to Lorelai's other grandma tonight and I've scored a source for 5 gallon buckets, THANK YOU for the tip, I never thought of it... She said they go through about 3 or 4 a day, and THEY'RE MINE!!!!
BTW, crumpled a little piece of paper towel in the cup to keep the seeds submerged, wrong or right thing to do??
PPS, just checked them and the cases have split a little bit and the white nub is just peeking out.. Started them last night...
No need to force them to the bottom. I used to worry about some floaties and some sinkies. If I soak them long enough, they just all seem to end up on the bottom after awhile, but that's not necessary. In fact, I'm finding it's better to not wait for those nubs to grow too long before planting them, so as soon as you see the nubs, plant them ALL.
If you're direct sowing some outside, I think I'd start them in smaller vessels, like a 10" pot or even some 16 oz. Red Solo or other plastic cups. My reasoning is that you can lift the entire seed plug out more easily and just set it down in one piece into your transplant hole. This would help you avoid damaging the tap root, and might lessen the transplant shock associated with digging a plant up from the soil to pot up to a larger vessel. Hope I made sense here...
My direct sown Clemson Spineless and Orange Jing are both sprouting. They are definitely slower when not pre-soaked and direct seeded. It's been 10 days since I planted! No issues with hardening or transplanting, at least. I have a row of about 30 feet. I am going to thin more aggressively this year. Last year I left the seedlings to close together and didn't get good growth.
The seeds look great and 100% popped open. These are the seeds that I have frozen last year & started using this year. Don't know what strain these are but so far, it looks like I will have almost 100% germination.
Will direct sow 3 or 4 tomorrow and can put the rest in 3" or 5" peat pots, or right into the container, not exactly sure what size, I know it's between 2.5 gallon & 5 gallon... Suggestion??? Either way would be easy at this point...
Talked with the other HEB bakery dept. and will see the manager in the morning about the buckets. Hopefully by the end of the weekend should have about 10 new buckets for my projects. They also use the 15# buckets, not sure about how deep they are, but would be concerned being too shallow for my use..
This is what the seeds look like and will go in the ground tomorrow...
I transplanted my okra seedlings from egg cartons to 3" x 3" cells of MiracleGro Planting Mix under indoor lights yesterday. That's just for a few days until we get past some predicted very cold nighttime temps, then they'll go into the garden. I had to move them as they were getting leggy and root bound.
They sure are deep-rooted, every little seedling had roots hanging out the bottom of the Jiffy Mix plug. I was careful not to break any roots, and I think they all survived the transplant OK. I ended up with 33 sprouted seedlings out of 46 seeds sowed, and I've got three okra rows 24 feet long and 6 feet apart laid out in the garden. Eleven plants per row, that works out to 2.4 feet between plants - closer than I'd meant to put these big Stewart's Zeebest plants but at least it's further apart than I had them last year.
The deer and rabbits have now munched all 12 plants to the stems. the look so pitiful with no leaves and putting out flowers all day. I ordered a sprinkler with a motion sensor and planted more okra indoors. We shall see what happens
The 18 seeds I sowed last weekend are popping up. The 12 plants ravaged by Bugs Bunny are trying to start some new leaves and are setting pods lol. I have quite a few 1/2" pods on empty stems. They look rough but they might just make it!
I put a plastic ring around most kinds of seedlings when they're small - tomatoes, peppers, cabbage, okra, etc. I use the red 16-oz. plastic cups from WalMart or the Dollar Store, and I cut the bottoms off and cut the remainder in half to make two rings from each cup. I set those rings in the ground around each small seedling and pack some dirt around the outside to keep them from blowing away.
There are several advantages. The main one is that the rings protect small seedlings against cutworms and pill bugs without using an insecticide. The rings also provide some shelter from the wind until seedlings get established, and when I water, the rings hold water right around the seedlings so it soaks in where I want it. When plants get a little bigger, I just cut the rings and discard them.
Got a nice rain all day yesterday. Checked my 12 plants and most of them have blooms and some have 2" pods already! Looks like they are growing new leaves. Maybe the rabbit will leave them alone. I have 18 seedlings just in case that should be ready to transplant in a week or two.
My direct sown okra is growing very slowly! I need to weed the area between seedlings by hand. The spacing is (for now) too close for me to use the scuffle-hoe. It is really hot (heat index in the mid 90's), so I have to do a little at a time. It was even hotter yesterday, but luckily I was at the lake with my family...
I HAVE AN IDEA - and I'd like your opinions on it. There's no way to make this long story short, so here's the long story.
This year, I started my Stewart's Zeebest okra indoors and I transplanted the seedlings into the garden a few days ago. 33 seedlings, three 21-foot long rows, 25 inches between seedlings - closer than I wanted them. To make up for the close spacing within the rows I made the rows six feet apart, which the bushy Zeebest plants will certainly need.
My okra seedlings are all growing and doing real well inside their protective plastic-cup rings, but at this point, that's a LOT of wasted space between rows. I got to thinking about planting something in the spaces between okra rows - something that will grow fast enough to not get shaded out by the okra (my rows run north/south), something that doesn't take too much horizontal space itself, and something that will be harvested and out of there before the okra really hits full growth and production in August and September.
I'm thinking SWEET CORN. I haven't planted any corn yet, mainly because I took up a lot of garden by spacing those okra rows so widely, and also because I planted so many beets which are still in the ground. In the east end of my garden I have 8 rows total, also 21 feet long, of potatoes, beets, turnips, and early cabbages. Those rows will all be harvested in June and I figure I'll replant the same rows with sweet corn at that time, soaker hoses still in place, for a corn harvest and freezer-filling around September.
I've got lots of corn seed, I bought a big package of bicolor Tendr-Sweet 2573 sh2 treated seed, and it's about a 73-day variety. I'm thinking of planting double rows of corn centered between the okra rows, say, a foot apart from each other. The double rows would give me better pollination of the corn than a single row would, and I can run a soaker hose down the middle between them. Yes, it'll be a little crowded to get down the rows between the corn and okra, but I bet it can be done. If I plant corn now it'll be finished about the third week of July, and that's 84 feet of corn that should produce well over 100 extra ears for us. Most okra production will be after the corn is out of there.
I'd say go for it. You will shade the okra some, but not that much. As you said, the corn will be out in a little over two months, or mid-July. That gives you July, August, and early September for Okra.
Podster-- Thanks for tip
on googling "white okra" I'll check that.
I've got seeds that were given to me with no name & have been growing for 2 yrs now, just regular green kind..? Thanks for info.
Kevcarr--I've got same prob as u, no memory, read so much & even forget what was original search about..lol Mullet
The question now is: what makes top leaves skinny, lower ones are big like salad plate size..? Growing nicely, tall & plenty of fruiting..curious...maybe no prob at all. Thanks in advance for any help.
I went ahead with my idea of planting double-rows of sweet corn between my wide rows of okra. The corn is up now and I've got both the okra and the corn mulched with grass clippings and soaker hoses run down the rows. It'll be a race between okra and corn to grab sunlight, but it's only a 73-day corn variety and I think this should work out real well.
We never got tired of our okra in 2011, and I raised a bunch of it. We had it fresh and roasted 2 or 3 times a week, we froze a lot of it, and I pickled lots. I've been rationing the pickled okra - I think I only have three pint jars left, just enough to last me until I start harvesting Stewart's Zeebest pods this summer!
I planned on planting Okra this year, to pickle it. But my garden is full, I'm squeezing in the last 10 or so tomato plants. I don't know why i have so many but these are the " have to grow" that are left. Lol Up until today the heat hasn't been bad.
Anyway, I know the okra will grow and produce until frost but it gets really big and will block the sun. How many plants would it take to get enough to pickle, don't really like to just eat it plain? How many could i grow in containers? Even tho I live on acreage I'm gravitating to growing in containers, less weeds, less bugs, less disease. Better soil.
"Anyway, I know the okra will grow and produce until frost but it gets really big and will block the sun"
Not necessarily, Lisa. Baby Bubba is a short growing variety bearing full-size pods. Tops out around 4 ft in height. Little Lucy, a burgundy/purple variety if I remember correctly is very ornamental and usually only grows about 3 ft tall. In other words you have lots of choices other than the standard Clemson Spineless or Stewart's types.
My Stewart's Zeebest & HCR Heirloom Okra seeds have been soaking since last night & will be going directly into the new pots tomorrow morning. The Burgundy Okra we transplanted over the weekend are looking good and none the worse for wear, it was real touchy when they got moved, roots came out of soil...
The sole survivor of okra seed saved from last year, actually in it's final resting place...
Some Burgundy Red Okra that made the transplant, hopefully for a productive summer & fall...
ahem..we weren't suppose to plant them until now? Humm..well mine don't seem to mind that much and are doing well. I'm sure they might show more hardship later but *shrugs* I hated I let time slip away and just a few days ago started tomato seeds for fall. Where did the time go..
Shoe-I guess what I meant is the seeds that I already have, are for Okra Plants that will grow big.
That's what I love about Okra is the huge window in TX for starting it.
araness-I'm also wondering where the time went? But while your garden is slowing down mine is just kicking in. About a month ago we had a week that was in the 70s during the day and 60s at night plus rain every day. My tomato and peppers just sat there, but since it has warmed up they are doing great, we could use more rain tho. In any other part of the country we would be in different states. Lol
I could do with out the 60% humidity tho. THAT I'm not use to.
Not my intention to start this late... Started seeds end of Feb?? Started good but didn't have a place to put them. Then put some out in raised bed, planted too deep, never germinated... Finally got these seeds and din't mess up enough to kill them, yet. Will get these last few seeds going and this will last attempt for this year... We should still have enough warm weather to get some okra before the first frost... Doing these last plants just to see what they look & taste like for next year...
Just a quick update on my late okra. Our son is back at the house staying with us for a while and his dog dug in the pot that had my Hill Country Red Okra in it. Just one of the seeds germinated and this was after about 10 days, after soaking the seeds for a day. Stewart's Zeebest still hasn't broken through, but they were done the same day as the HCR & that one just sprouted about 2 days ago.
There is good news though... Burgundy Red and the saved-seed Okra from last year are doing great, and the Cowhorn 22 has 4 good-sized sprouts working, just wish they were spaced out a little differently...Thought I had a picture of the NOID Okra but I guess I didn't take one. It's just about the same size as the Burgundy Red.
Am I seeing a beginning trail of leaf miners in one or two of your leaves? Last year I kept up with them, by cutting off those parts of the leaves, after the plant grew enough other leaves to not miss the sacrificed parts.
Stay after them, cause they move through fast if left unchecked!
Update II: Plucked the leaves that had the LM damage... Have noticed some holes in the other leaves... Linda, what should I use?? Just real tired, long day, and just totally out of it to look around and figure it out myself... One of THEM days...
Culled the Cowhorn 22 down to 4 plants, just hate that they're 2 pairs of seeds right on top of each other. It's still an experimental planting so at end of season will cut root ball apart to see how it fills pot.
Steph, I'm guessing okra is a plant we don't snip off the suckers???... Like I said, one of them days...
Kev I'm not sure what Linda is using but I use Ortho Garden Disease control (for disease) and Ortho Bug B' Gone for the bugs. I've also use the insecticidal soaps for aphids and spinosad which does help LM BEFORE they get into the leaves. Sorry I jumped in an answered but she plays piano for church so not sure when she would have answered.
Never remove "suckers" from okra as pods grow on the tips of all branches. The more branches, the more pods.
My okra is doing real well, and my idea of planting double-rows of sweet corn between widely-spaced okra rows is turning out to be a good one. The corn will be harvested in late July, so it will be out of the way just when the multi-branching wide Stewart's Zeebest okra plants need the extra room between rows - and I'll get a bonus of about 100 ears of sweet corn from the same ground!
I climbed up on the toolbox of my pickup truck to get this "aerial" view this morning.
Belle, you should have okra up and growing by now from the seed I sent.
Is it looking hopeful yet? Mine has been slow growing due to all these cooler nights we're having this year. I wonder if you are going thru the same up your way.
After the deer ate all my cajun delight I have put some burgundy in containers and have some big enough to transplant to the other garden. The motion sprinkler is doing a good job at keeping the deer out so far so i'll put in the okra when the bush beans are done (couple weeks)
Our Stewart's Zeebest okra is producing heavily now, and we've been enjoying it fixed several different ways. I saved up a couple of pickings and had about 200 pods, so I made six more pints of OKRA PICKLES this evening. I really like these!
I use wide-mouth pint canning jars as they're easier to pack with okra. In the bottom of each sanitized jar I put one clove of garlic (mashed with the back of a spoon) and one Maui Purple Pepper cut down the side so the brine can get in. I grow Maui Purple Peppers in a pot, and they're small but very hot with good flavor. Other hot peppers would work just fine for this.
Cut off the okra stems as short as possible (I use scissors), lay each jar on its side and pack okra pods into it - stem-ends at the bottom of the jar. I use the largest pods for this bottom layer and if the tips of some extra-long pods have to be trimmed off to fit in the jar, that's fine. I don't like to cut too many okra pods going into these jars, as cut okra will make the brine slimy. I pack okra pods into the jars until I can't get any more to fit with the stem-end all the way to the bottom of the jar, then I set the jar upright.
Smaller okra pods are used for the top layer, and they go pointy-end down and stem-end up. Just keep poking them in until no more will fit. This evening I was getting 30-35 pods in each jar. When each jar is full screw the lid on - otherwise the pods will raise right up out of there.
The okra I had filled six pint jars, and as a rule of thumb I pack all kinds of pickles into jars as tight as I can, then make HALF as much brine as the total volume I'm canning - three pints of brine in this case. I always have some left over this way, which is better than coming up short. For these okra pickles, I made the mixture a little less than half white vinegar, a little more than half water, and dissolved a half-cup of kosher salt in it. Last year I pickled okra with a brine of 1/3 vinegar, 2/3 water - and that seemed a little too mild to me.
I filled the six jars with brine, screwed the lids on finger-tight, and gave them a hot-water bath, fully immersed, in a pot on the stove - got the water in the pot up to 180 degrees with the jars in it, turned off the heat and left them in the hot water for 45 minutes at which time it was 140 degrees. Then I took the jars out of the hot water, tightened the lids, and set them on the counter to cool.
These okra pickles are GOOD. My 10 y.o. granddaughter discovered that she loves them on her last visit, and she ate nearly a whole jar. Ever since I made these last year I've had her convinced that they're "yuck" - but she finally tasted them anyway and now the cat's out of the bag. Now I'll have to make enough to share!
Okra is still my favorite veggie, I think. We've made it roasted, fried, breaded, un-breaded, in gumbo, barbecued, pickled, and every which-way. We've settled on our favorite way to fix it, though - sauteed. Here's a video I found that showed us about that, only we just add butter, salt, and pepper - no onions. Ignore the guy in the video acting stupid the first minute, he soon quits it and the okra is real, real good fixed his way.
I hope you do not mind me telling you of my freaky accident.
I am so jealous!! I had not been outside to check on my veggie garden because i was in a freaky accident last Tuesday where I was thrown form a golf cart, breaking my left ankle in 2 places.
I had surgery last Saturday and came home yesterday.
I am back home from orthopedic procedure. Everything went well, placed a 5 hole plate on the outer break while a screw on the inner portion.
I have severe pain so I take pain pills every 4-5 hours.
The best part is a block. I was told that there are 4 young anesthesiologist who does a lot of blocks which lasted ovwe 24 hours of being pain free.I was very impressed.
these new Docs treated patients in Afghanistan where a spinal takes too long.
No wonder the hospital bills are sky high due to the disposables.There are no more basins, they use disposable wipes, looks like baby wipes but bigger and thicker. The gowns are also disposable.
i now have a walker with wheels as well as a huge wheelchair. I called the company that I need a smaller and lighter one.The walker work much better. I love it because it is easier to maneuver.
I will go back the office for change of dressing as well a colorful fiberglass cast. I will get a shocking pink.LOL!!!
Few friends will be coming to visit and offered to bring food so I might not lose few pound. lOL!!!
I had not been out to visit my garden and my pond.
Just YESTERDAY, I was watching the Open Championship, and I thought about you saying you had "mandatory" golf events at least 3x a week. I thought, "now that's a mandatory that has some real perks!"
I'm so sorry about your accident. In between pain pills, grab some paper and pencils, and map out your strategy for the next season's garden. Call on some DGers in your area if you need planting help. The DGer's I know are more than willing to offer a helping hand.
What a bad timing!!! I had been looking forward to playing all summer long.
I have friends who can help me, I have also equipment , in fact I have 2 wheelchairs, DH will decide which one I can keep.
I know what your talking about with orthopedics & pain, had double knee replacement surgery last November, and was on IV pain meds for 10 days in hospital. Did the 2 surgeries a week apart. Still giving me some problems & need to go back to doc but have to make another trip to FL. but this one driving...
Belle, im so sorry to hear about your accident, but im glad your getting better. This maybe none of my business but how did you fall out of a golf cart? Now that's something I can image my teenagers doing but...I really think we need to know. It's much more important then Okra.
It is unheard of that one can fall off a golf cart but it happened after 17 years of playing. I was driving that day but I told my partner to go ahead and tee off because three men waiting for us. we were following a twosome and we were three some. every 8 minutes a team has to tee off and we are expected to play with the phase. whoever is following slow players can tell the pro shop that a team is playing too slow so they might be asked to skip a hole so the game is not held up.
there is a time limit for 9 holes as well as 18 holes and if you play at a busy country club then you understand.
the girl who was driving made a very sharp turn so i went flying , landed on a concrete thus fracturing both tips of the 2 long bones on my left leg meaning my ankle on inner and outer part of my left ankle.
It is very freaky accident but one of the girls I play with had had 3 surgeries and few more.
It is been 13 days since my surgery and my system is going back to almost normal after too many potent pain meds
DH had been very patient driving me around and will have the cast for 8 weeks.
Belle, in no way did I diminish the severity of the pain you're going through. It's also a not widely known fact that the knee replacement surgery is the most invasive and physically demanding procedure on the body to recover from. Actually having the left knee done first wasn't too bad. It's was worse of the 2, being there was no cartilage left at all, it was bone on bone. When I would get up in the morning, my knees would sound like rice crispies. My knees have been like that for close to 20 years, gradually getting worse, so I was just used to the pain. My ortho asked me many times how I was able to walk.
The bad part was having the second knee done the next week. Rehab was going great for first knee but had complication between surgeries and it slowed the process. The doctor actually wanted to do them at the same time and I said no. Knowing now what I wasn't told then, I would have waited several months between the surgeries.
I got out of the nursing home from rehab on December 15 and within a week got a bulging disc in my neck while getting up out of the chair. So I was dealing with that while also working on getting my knees back in shape. I had to get 3 shots in the disc and it's finally settled back down.
I wish you a full & speedy recovery. I used to swing the clubs once in a while, but with the knees as bad as they were, I couldn't twist as they should. I'm just about to the point of getting a new set of clubs and start going to the range again to help work the knees into shape.
Kev I hope you are feeling better, I've seen family members with both knee's replaced and it was excruciating for them. These were not whimpy guys either but hardened military men and fire fighters. I've had broken bones, surgeries etc and I'm sure that pain was nothing compared to what you had to and are currently having to deal with. Wish you a very speedy recovery and hope your garden cooperates.
Belle, ortho said more of the insurance companies are urging doctors to do the surgery at one time. Less hospital time, less expense. Plus Medicare increases in cost made it almost mandatory that I do this last year. A lot tougher on the patient, but that doesn't enter the equation. Week apart didn't seem to extreme, so went ahead & did it. If I didn't have the complication, I think I'd have done better on rehab. Still the average & normal rehab for knee replacement is one year.
Araness, garden has been pretty cooperative this year, wish the weather would have been a little more so. Several people have asked me how I did so good this year, and I have no explanation whatsoever. I guess it's the adage, "I'd rather be lucky than good." On top of that I know I did a lot of things wrong, and still did good. No idea, just what a lot of people here have done, just copied it. And thank you very much for your good wishes...
I am glad you survived your ordeal and doing much better. how is your neck. Did you go for surgery?
At least you can garden this summer. I will not be able to do much till October and and the one that bothers me most is doing fig preserves and donate the proceeds to buy supplies for the health screening where we give flu vaccine, cholesterol and diabetic screening .
It is no weight bearing till they remove the cast but managing to go around with my walker and wheelchair when we go out.
I do miss my game Dh gave me a set of RBZ last May and with lessons my game was much improved.The ladies league plays from April to end of October. I plan to continue to go to the meetings.
Just before I left New Orleans in 1984 to move to Texas, I had bunionectomies done on both feet, to deplete my insurance coverage and get 'er done!
The procedure back then was to saw a pie-shaped wedge from the toe bone, then tap it over to close up the wedge and straighten the big toe,. I was in an ankle cast on one foot, and a cast up to my knee on the other foot.
It was an Olympic year, and I stayed in bed for 4 solid weeks at my Aunt and Uncle's home, enjoying all the games, the meals, the care, and attention. It was a glorious Olympics!
When I could finally get up and back to work (still in both casts for another 8 weeks), I had to cross a MAJOR wide street every morning to get to the building in two casts, on a pair of crutches.
Thank God the drivers let me live to tell the story! By the time it was over, those drivers were waiting for me every day, waiving, and smiling, and being oh so kind!
At this time my neck has quieted down considerably from what it was before Christmas. For better than 3 weeks the only way I could sleep was with my left hand tucked behind my head touching my right shoulder. On top of that, we have a pillow-top mattress, and it was way too soft for me to sleep on. Whenever my wife would just touch or bump me I'd go through the roof. An extra bedroom is set up & it's got a real extra firm mattress in it and that's where I had to sleep for about 3 1/2 months. I still can't get a decent nights sleep in our BR with the wife, the bed's just too soft. Actually, I never liked the bed from the start, but she wanted it and had to have it, so she won... On the surgery I said no, but I guess I'd have to do it eventually if it gets worse.
They did 2 steroidal shots in the cervical disk material about 8 or 9 weeks apart, but the second shot did hardly anything, so I didn't get the 3rd. Still have tingling all the way down to the fingers occasionally, and this is also the same hand I busted up in '88 in a concrete truck accident. With that I've got about 80% feeling & use of the thumb. I joke with people that I've changed my Facebook Profile picture from mine to Humpty Dumpty...LOL...
I've also had more than a few severe gout attacks. Those things are incredibly painful. Had them in the ankles & also elbow and my hand. Nothing much helps except very strong pain meds. Primary doctor finally figured out the problem after the 4th ER visit, and I gave him the med list they pumped my full of at the ER. Too much uric acid causes it and it's finally under control. They'll still flare up but now I know when they're coming on & I can beat them to the punch.
Araness, don't make a rash judgement... A good friend of our's, an Austin Police officer, had the bunionectomy done about 5 or 6 years ago, and she had put it off for years. She regrets for not doing it much, much sooner. She was off her feet for less than a week, and back to work full-duty in about 4 weeks. She hasn't had a problem since the surgery and her Mom had the same thing about 2 years ago, and she's in her mid-70's...
Linda, isn't it nice when strangers root for ya, just getting across the street...LOL...
The new bunionectomies use laser. Much cleaner, faster, better, stronger, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound...
On another note, I had one doctor working on each foot, side by side. I was given only a local anesthesia, so I could hear all the jokes and such. The running one at the time was the irony of either Euwel (sp?) Gibbons dropping dead from a heart attack after years of eating Grape Nuts or Jim Fix dropping dead after all his years of running marathons! (I forget exactly which health nut dropped dead...)
I felt like I was between Hawkeye and BJ in a MASH unit! All they needed was a radio blaring at full volume.
How many spaces is involve? Surgery is the only way and the soon you have it done the better for you. i am a retired OR RN and had done several of cervical disc. I hope you think about it. Go to a good neurosurgeon. Good luck!!
Linda, thanks for the link. Just perused it quickly, but will read it thoroughly at first opportunity.
Belle, C5 has calcification, C6 has the bulge, and C7 is slightly out of alignment. Really stupid how it all happened. Did the knees, went to nursing home for rehab, came home and was there about 4 or 5 days. Just pushing up to get out of living room chair felt pop in shoulder. Didn't hurt all that bad to start, but after about 2 days thought I may have pinched nerve, since the shoulder & neck were hurting. Finally got into ortho's office after Christmas, with my head basically sitting on my shoulder... Pain management, scans, electroshock evaluation, then the pair of shots. Another thing they told me was had some carpal tunnel syndrome in both wrists. While still doing PT for knees, started for neck also.
We were given a referral to an Austin Spinal group, but with it somewhat subsided, never really pushed to go. Of course, when it gets real bad, then it will be too late & I won't have much of a choice.
They are Supposed to have developed a way to fill the spinal discs if you have burst them,rather than pinning them- I doubt seriously this will happen on govt plans tho, I have gout, sigh, you have my sympathies and I've done a lot of studying on reducing ulric acids in the diet- it bumps into a few other gastric issues I have so I spend a lot of time balancing foods. I avoided allowing Drs to fuse my spine in the late 90's since it starts in my upper neck and never quits. I figure I am turning into a concrete garden statue eventually, so try to stay in motion, but I notice all the time I am less and less flexible. You guys hang in there with us! Were glad you're here!
The morning of my first knee surgery my ortho walked in and asked how I was doing, not too bad, ready to go... So I asked if we could say the Shepard's Prayer, Alan Shepard... "Lord, please don't let me screw this up..." Everyone burst out laughing, and I guess they didn't screw up...
Please get a reputable neuro surgeon and if you know of a OR nurse who works under the neuro specialty you can talk to them. The sooner you have it done the better for you.
there are 2 spaces and there are several ways: using your own bone, dehydrated donor bones, plates and screws. The bulge they will remove and might put a bone wedge or bone chips.
Good luck to you.
We are harvesting few okra and we just microwave it and eat it with fresh tomatoes and fish sauce. Yum!!! I had been out 2 times since my accident and it is killing me. I am starting to get depressed but will attend the ladies meeting tomorrow. .
I have few friends who has gout and if they have attacks it can be very painful. A lot of them does not follow the diet , depends on the medications.
Update on my fractured ankle,
It's been 4 weeks since my freaky accident , cast was changed after the sutures was removed but they placed 4 rolls of plaster so it is heavy. In 2 weeks I will have another x-ray and if everything is okay then I will get a walking cast.
Pain is a lot better although I still raise it on pillows. I am off narcotic pain meds and yesterday I only took tylenols.
i had only visited my garden 5 time in a month but DH goes to pick veggies evryday. He picks the okra even if they are only 2 inch. What a waste!!!
Ants milk the aphids, true, then they start eating the okra, and the blooms, and it makes holes, and tips curl over, control the ants, and the aphids, they don't have ants like we do in the south, or master gardener lives in a well protected environment, good luck.
OKRA AND TEMPERATURE. I've been picking my 33 Stewart's Zeebest okra plants every other day for most of the summer. They won't go three days because if I wait that extra day some of the pods will get too large (9" or more) and some of those will be tough. I don't want to pick every day because if I do many of the pods will be barely my minimum size to pick, 2 1/2", and I won't get so much okra. All through this hot summer I've found that if I pick okra every other day I'll get 80-some pods and most of those will be of a good, ideal size (4" to 5") and very tender.
I've found that all this is strictly related to temperature. If I'd kept track, I bet I could have come up with a formula by which I could calculate average daily air temperature by the size and number of okra pods I harvest - really. During the hottest spells this summer we've had many days with highs in the high 90's and low 100's with nighttime lows in the 80's - summertime Missouri at it's finest, yecch! Okra loves it like that, I guess because the climate is like that of equatorial Africa where it came from. When temps are that hot I'll harvest almost 3 pods per plant on average and the pods will be toward the larger end of the 2 1/2" to 7" range where I want them.
If there's a cooler day, though, or if we get some clouds or a shower then okra yield is significantly reduced. If that happens the harvest will be 2 pods per plant on average (haven't dropped below that yet) and the pod size will be toward the smaller end of the range. The total weight of pods picked drops to about half if there has been a cool day in the 70's, so I know production is going to drop off a lot as we move into fall. I think it's interesting how much temperature affects okra production - it REALLY likes the heat!
I took Kitt's advice and started blasting the aphids AND the ants from the back of the okra leaves. I think the plants are much happier. But, I'm still not getting a whole lotta okra, and still wondering if it's the variety or am I expecting too much? If you only get ~3 pods per plant, it follows that you need a WHOLE LOTTA PLANTS to get a whole lotta pods, right?
Well, my space only allowed for 3 plants directly in RB #1, and 7 additional plants in individual buckets. I'm getting about 7 pods every other day from the combined plants. Should I be getting more?
Plus, I visited my 80+ yr. old neighbor across the street (yeah, the one who grew humongous tomatoes from my seedlings...), and her SCRAWNY okra plants, with hardly any leaves on them, are cranking out like gangbusters! What is really going on here? LOL!
Here's a pic of the okra that must've been getting bitten by the ants, now that Kitt has explained "herding" and "munching"!
Just curious-the across the street thing- what is different about the location of your plants from hers- and are you trimming the lower leaves? It can help reduce where the plant sends nutrients to, hot humid sun, can you increase this? are they planted as deep as hers, or are hers in ground?
n-s is the old way of garden planting- the sun rises and falls across the plants. Hers are in ground, thats why they are the way they are, you would need a lot more ebucket to support okra trees, they just seem to thrive better in ground, it may be because of the nutrients/moistures dosed at different amounts thru the ground. Yours are awesome for in containers tho, I would say you are getting the max you can get with what you have.
I have Clemson Spineless, Cowhorns, and I think I have at least one Zee's Best growing. I did notice that the three okras growing in RB #1 grew super fast when I set them, and caught up to, and passed, the five okras that had been growing in the EBs for several weeks.
I planted only Stewart's Zeebest this year, and they're really doing great now. Of 33 original plants I think moles killed about 4 of them while they were small - but I picked 116 okra pods from the rest yesterday. I'm picking okra every other day.
I THINK the Stewart's Zeebest variety from Baker Creek Seeds isn't quite stable yet - my various plants are showing different charactistics. A few plants are bearing pods with a very bad trait that I don't want to carry on - the pods have sharp spines and if you happen to rub them from the pointed end toward the stem end, the spines stick in your fingers and HURT. Then if you happen to rub your eye - well, I don't want that to happen any more!
Of my other plants, a few bear very skinny pods and have few branches. Others have many branches and much thicker pods. I've settled on one plant at the end of one row that I'm going to save seeds from. It has a lot of pod-bearing branches, no spines on the pods, and it's always good for at least 5 or 6 pods when I pick so it's the most productive plant I have. Those are the seeds I want for next year, and I'm going to save seeds from that one plant with good characteristics instead of ordering seeds, because I don't think Baker Creek's strain is stable yet.
Umm, not sure what you are disagreeing with- support of the eb versus ground, or the location of gymgirls' eb's not producing as well as her nex door neighbors' ? Eb can do just great, but from the description of her neighbors garden, she's in a better locale and has created an in ground e bucket- and it was other veggies this is happening to between the 2 of em as well. Not puttin down the ebuckets
I just sowed 6 Clemson Spineless plants today...late, I know so we'll see how it goes. I plan on playing hookie from work tomorrow so I can get some stuff done in the back yard, like assemble a couple of raised beds for said okra. The RB will be in an untested part of my yard but I believe it will have adequate sunlight. I hope my crops are successful this fall!
I'll most certainly be back to read more of the posts, but I'm here as I'm giving okra a try in my container garden. I don't eat it but my Dad does so I thought I would give it a try.
I've got to purchase some seeds, and just wonder what varieties would be good ones to start with? now if this has already been answered in this thread no need to reply as I'll find the answer when I come back to read more tomorrow.
I'm growing in 5 gallon containers, and was thinking one plant per container? or could there be 2 to a container?
The first time I saved seeds from okras (when they weren't cross-pollinating!!!) I tried to cut the dried pods from the stalks and had seeds flying everywhere.
Then I had an better idea. I carefully cut huge branches from the main stem (with the pods still on them) and put them into a large garbage bag, tied the end, and beat the
H _ _ L _ outta that bag with a stick. All the pods burst open inside the bag. Then, I cut a hole at the bottom of the bag and poured out all the seeds!
What was the final outcome of the seed that I sent you?? Between dogs digging up containers and my trips to Florida, nothing of mine survived. I was only able to get ONE pod from a HCR that lasted through July. Cowhorn got 3 or 4 plants, but too much for the 5 gallon Square Root pot. Didn't get a pod off any of those. Baker Creek replaced the Zeebest & HCR seed, but 1 of the 2 was the same lot # as what was shipped this spring. When I seed start for next year, I'm going to make sure EXACTLY which seed is started, and document it's performance.
I direct sowed some Stewart Zeebest in a 5 gallon Square Roots pot, one germinated in about 10-12 days. The other didn't poke through for another month, and that has me stymied as to why it took so long.
I would say some of your drawback is sunlight. You've got a lot of shade in your yard, but like you said about your beans on the patio, how did they grow?? I'm in the opposite end, no shade whatsoever.
[quote="meadowyck"]I'll most certainly be back to read more of the posts, but I'm here as I'm giving okra a try in my container garden. I don't eat it but my Dad does so I thought I would give it a try.
I've got to purchase some seeds, and just wonder what varieties would be good ones to start with? now if this has already been answered in this thread no need to reply as I'll find the answer when I come back to read more tomorrow.
I'm growing in 5 gallon containers, and was thinking one plant per container? or could there be 2 to a container?
thanks for any suggestions and help yall.
Jan ~ I've grown okra in containers in the past. I planted only one plant to a container and chose a small okra for container use. I grew Lee and was impressed with the success. Good luck ~ Kristi
All my okra plants grew in full sunshine all summer long. I have shade in the middle of the yard, but the periphery is very sunny.
I believe my okras may have crossed, which might have accounted for the mutant pods I kept getting. Also, ants and aphids were ferocious, and a lot of the pods I did get were chewed on by the ants.
Toward the end of my patience, when I finally figured out how often to pick them (before the ants started chewing), I managed to collect about two gallon-sized freezer bags of pods.
I never got good production from the HCR or the Zeebests. Most of the pods I saved came from the ole tried and true Clemson Spineless.
P.S. I have two okra stems (I topped 'em to take them out) and one okra plant still growing in RB #1, and they need to be gone. However, these stems are huge! The two that were topped two weeks ago have put out new growth so the root system isn't dead. But, it probably goes down deep in my raised bed.
I need ya'lls advice on how to remove these stems and roots systems from this bed. I don't think I can just leave them there, because this is the bed for my root crop (turnips, beets, carrots). Won't they run into the stems and roots underground if I don't take them out?
I'm thinking I could dig down about 11" and use the sawsall to cut the stems off at that level, then backfill. These root veggies (except any mutant carrots) shouldn't go down deeper than 11", yah think?
Tryin to remember, think if the bucket only has the okra, you may find the whole bucket is roots. Any way or where you could just dump the bucket and shake the dirt? Or have they rooted on thru to the ground? They will grow until a hard freeze- I have had them slow for a lite frost, but not die, and yeah, even in Jan they are hard to dig down to, think if you sawsall em they might still sprout from available left behind roots, tho perhaps not shortened that deep.
I had seven okra plants growing in free-draining buckets, and three plants growing in Raised Bed #1, the bed I'm about to need for my root veggies. The buckets are even re-sprouting!
I cut two plants in RB #1 down, leaving about a 2' stem. The last one is about 6.5' tall and still growing in that bed. They, the bell peppers (loaded with peppers, duh), and the last of the eggplants (loaded with blooms), have got to vacate the space so I can sprinkle my turnip, beet and carrot seeds.
Thanks for the reply as to how your okra seeds turned out. The biggest thing I learned from the late start was that it didn't produce anything with the heat killing the young plant production. They hardly had any leaves and no pods. Looking at the root balls they looked to be of decent size and lots of hair. The only other thing I can think of doing would be to add more liquid fertilizer more often.
I just read through all three of the okra threads. We did not get a good crop of okra last summer using Clemson Spineless. I was hoping to get clues as to what happened last summer before I commence on seeds this year.
It sounds like the Stewart's Zeebest was a pretty good producer, but I am sure not impressed with the spines. Okra makes me itch anyway.
I copied some recipes you guys have shared. We too, really like okra. We are also limited on space, but it sounds like fewer plants further apart is better than more plants close together. And, also noted was the importance of very warm temperatures for good okra production.
This okra thread has been educational and entertaining. Ozark, you remind me of my Dad peddling the veggies. I laughed out loud with tears coming down my face as I read your story about the cabbage. My daughter said, 'Well maybe, his wife will tell him not to plant cabbage this year"! BTW, how did the cabbage turn out?
Ozark, you mentioned frying okra like you grandmother used to. I believe as others stated the secret is probably using that cast iron skillet. They make cast iron skillets with a nice smooth colored enamel coating on the outside these days. You might want to look into that. I know Lodge makes this type of skillet. Also, I just recently replaced my electric cooktop for an induction cooktop. It heats up much like a gas stove but looks like an electric cooktop. It gets cookware hot fast and maintains high heat if it's your choice to do so.
Thanks to all for the wonderful in put on growing okra, the recipes and the stories.