I prefer the 2 ltr pop bottles for ws'ing. I ran out of them and had to start saving them again as I was still sowing. I have some milk jugs for back up, but didn't use them. I think last count I had about 84 out there. A bunch of them have put on the 2nd set of leaves, so I removed their tops for a while yesterday then put them back on. Today it was 90* (no April fool!!!) so I took them off and left them. Have them ready if I need to put back on. I am afraid I am going to have to start potting them up because I don't like to plant before May 1st. I did set out some seed today, which I can always redo if needed. They won't germinate for a couple of weeks, and April 15th'ish is our last freeze date.
DH was telling me they werwe talking about the weather yesterday. We had the warmest March on record this year. There were 2 other years almost as warm (like less than a degree) and they had a frost and freeze respectively in April. Then a milder than normal summer. THAT would be a blessing after last summer! UGH Hate to think about it. It was 90* here today.
How big are the plants you are transplanting? I don't want them to die off in the jug, but don't want to kill them in the garden either. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Ya know...I thought it was either the connection or my computer that has been running slow for the last few weeks, but now I'm thinking it might just be the DG site that's causing problems. I view countless other sites that seem to run fine.
Still waiting for the first batches to germinate. We have had snow for the last two days. Very light but it will stay on the ground we have reclaimed from the winter's snow until the sun comes out. Hopefully today. 35.6F this morning
My garage is full of all sorts of plants from really big dahlias and gladiolas to newly sprouted Rose of Sharon and planted today two types of marigolds, and squash, and hollyhock. the deck is WS and has two itsy bitsy germinations. Nicotiana and
I have tons of seedlings in my ws'ing! I'm so excited to get them planted, just going to wait a little while yet. I have one that is about 4" tall that I could go ahead and plant. I'm confused though. Seed said Columbine, but it doesn't have the shamrock shaped leaves like my others. Do different varieties have different leaves?
I was pleasantly surprized when I was walking around my big bed in the front yard. I have not cleared the leaves out of it yet, waiting until after May 1st so nothing gets a late frost/freeze. I have a lot of things coming up through the leaves, when I saw a beautiful purple and white Columbine blooming. I planted last year but thought it was dead. I have several things coming up that I thought the heat had killed. Looks like they just went dormant to save themselves. YIPPEE!!!
I have a question about Siberian Iris. Do they spread like regular iris do, or are they just a single?
Our 80 & 90 degree temps have been gone for a while. We've been in the high 60's to mid 70's. Nights have been high 40's and 50's, so everything is good for now. Knock on wood. Some of my ws'ing is going in the new bed we are making out front of the house. Just need to get it finished up.
Aha. Something I know ab out. Siberian Iris get to be bigger and bigger clumps. You dig them up (don't wait too long or they get really tough to dig and break apart) and split into a gazillion plants and spread around the yard. They multiply pretty fast around here.
YIPPEEEE from me too, Crit, on your Columbine Surprise! < =) Don't ya just LOVE when that happens!?
I'm not having any luck at all with my butterfly bush seeds, only ONE germination/sprout in all the 12 jugs that I winter sowed... but then I was out 'cleaning up' some plants at work yesterday and it hit me. The main grouping of plants that I needed to clean up were butterfly bushes that had been frost damaged. If it's been too cold for full-on plants to like, then maybe it's been too cold for the seeds to germinate? I'm gonna be patient for another month or so and see if they come around. Your thoughts please?
Someone on one of the threads said they set the jugs that didn't sprout aside somewhere and after the next winter, they sprouted that spring. Just didn't get enough cold stratification the first time I guess.
Yes, I read that one too. They were glad they hadn't thrown them out. I have heard however if you water the seeds then they dry out that they can die. I am getting worried about mine. Although I did have a Bachelor button germinate today. I moved them out where they could get snowed or rained on.
We have had 2 1/2" of rain in the last 24 hours. Don't think I will have to water my jugs! I do think I will set the ones that don't germinate in a place where I can keep them watered through the summer then let them set through next winter. Heck, may be we just didn't have a cold enough winter to do them good. Some of them are coneflowers. They may sprout yet. I keep seeing hints of green leaves in some of the containers that hadn't done anything yet, so I could be rushing them. The salvia and snapdragon seeds I planted in my garden are beginning to sprout. Took them a little longer than the package said, but we have had ample rain so did not have to water them.
Thanks for the infor on the Siberian Iris Mary. That helps a lot!
The only plant I wintersowed, starting in Octobe 2011 was my crosses of iris seeds. They are sprouting. I use plastic shoeboxes from Walmart to sow seeds in then leave the container covered all winter. They won't sprout without 12 weeks of flunctuating temperature.
Photos of sprouted irises April 1, 2012.
Second photo shows how they are stored over winter on the north side of my house.
Diamond, my last official frost date was April 15th, so I'm not panicking... yet. =/ I think I may have been lax in the watering department and let them dry out at some point though, so I'm not gonna hold my breath either. I noticed yesterday while watering that I've got a few new sprouts that I didn't have on Friday, (not the BB, however), so I dunno... I guess I'll just set them aside and give 'em time. Yesterday's temps went up around 80, and today is supposed to hit around 90 (good thing I soaked everything good yesterday!), so who knows, maybe they just need more warmth?? I can be patient. =) Oh, and I remember reading that too, about someone whose BB seeds didn't germinate the first year, but they came up the following year. I will not give up! Oh, and I think it was mid-January when I sowed them. Don't remember off the top of my flat head and my journal is downstairs and I'm lazy and don't feel like going down there to get it. LOL!
I told DH I wanted one (OR MORE!) of the drums to catch water. Anniversary is April 23 and birthday in May. Sure hope I get one. I have a spot in my gutter that has a small leak, and I keep a big bucket under it to catch rain water.
Well, finally for sure. Shirley poppies, Angel's Choir and Red Shirley's. The other poppies from OSPS weren't doing well in what I planted them in, not the soil but the container, so I brought them in to see if I could salvage at least some of the plants. Oh, also some dwarf marigolds oddly enough germinated after about 12 days. Weird that they should germinate so quickly. It is only 46F today and that is about right for the morning late. It is clouded over so we won't get much warmth from the sun. I took the lids off the germinated ones, sprayed them for moisture and put them back out side.
Blomma, are you all sowing in vermiculite or potting mix? Do you drill holes in the lid? Are you enclosing the shoe box in another container with the lid on it? Are you sowing perennials or annuals? I like the idea if reusing the containers.
I reuse the 2 ltr Pepsi bottles and also save up more in case I need them. I prefer them to the milk jugs because you can see better. I take the wrap around label off. I put potting mix in the bottom and about an inch of seed starter on the top. They seem to do real well this way. I drill 2 or 3 holes in the bottom of the bottle and put them in old plastic tubs that were used for filing papers, until they started to crack or break. That makes them just perfect for me as they will drain out as well. I've also heard of people putting string around several bottles to give them strength against wind. Makes them more sturdy than just one jug.
I have several that I am going to pot up today from my bottles. I LOVE seeing all the new plants I have now!
Crit, then do you cut off the tops when they germinate? or do you do that to begin with and cover with a baggie to hold in moisture. Still looking for the easiest container. I have used all sorts of things including flats
You cut the top off about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way down. I usually try to fill with potting soil about 1/2 way and soak the ps with water. (This makes it easier to add the seed) I then add about an inch of seed starting mix and plant the seeds. Cut a slit in the top (Maybe 1") so you can slide it back over the bottle easily. (do not put the screw top back on the bottle. It needs to stay open for air and moisture.) Either write on the top or bottle what it is with a paint pen, or put a plant tag inside the bottle. Don't use a sharpie as they will fade out. The best I have found for writing on the plant tags is a regular #2 pencil as it will not fade.
Any more questions, just ask. I hope I explained well.
Yes you did. I see how you do it. So you must sow fairly small amounts of any one seed? Guess that makes sense. Heaven's knows where all this stuff I sowed is going if it even it does a 50% germination. I NEED my NEW beds desperately!! Only about a foot of snow on that part of the lawn where it wasn't piled up clearing paths or driveway. I found my crocus coming up literally through the snow. Shoveled about 12" off and there their little tops were. So cute. Just love them.
Here's another idea for punching holes in plastic containers. I use an old "phillips" head screwdriver that was about to be thrown out of my shop tool collection because the tip was too worn out to turn screws. It fits across the burner on our kitchen range to heat up before punching holes while the handle stays nice and cool. I haven't managed to burn my fingers with it yet, seems to work good.
By the way, plastic containers are everywhere, though I think most of us already know this. I use containers from oleo, cottage cheese, coolwhip, milk jugs, yogurt, and fruit cups just to mention a few. The list is endless, so try to save money where you can.
I tried using a drill to make drainage holes but found that the plastic would crack around the holes, the reason I use a hot nail to melt holes.
I use potting soil except for the upper 3/4". There I use seeding soil since it is finer. I don't put holes in the lid. The idea is so I don't have to water during the winter. The shoe boxes are placed in a larger bin with covers to prevent a dog, etc from disturbing them.
I only winter sow perennials. I don't see benefit in wintersowing annuals since they don't need stratification. They are too easy to sow anyway.
For small amount of seeds I also use what I have. The blue containers in the large bin are containers that had ham in them.
I use most of mine for annuals, but a few are perennials also. Often I don't even use the snap on tops at all, but cover them with Glad wrap secured by a rubbber band. It helps to see the seedlings through the wrap to see if they are germinating. Sometime I cut strips out of the plastic covers to make neat ID tags for my plants.
I don't worry too much about the top clearance as long as I have at least 2" of good quality potting mix in the containers with an inch or so to the top. The glad wrap comes off when the seeds show signs of germination anyway.
The plastic shoebox idea is good. I've used them before to sprout marigolds and zinnias. I once had a huge amount of saved marigold seed I planted in several shoeboxes, then cut apart (like a brownie) with a knife six weeks later for transplants.
Just wondering. Yes, I have a thought, and that doesn't happen very often. lol I wonder instead of heating something up over the stove or whatever, if a hot glue gun, without the glue, would make a nice hole and not mess up the gun. I love using my cordless drill and the pop bottles, so will probably stick with that.
Mary, I'll try to remember to take a pic of my ws pop bottles for you. Actually, I put quite a few seeds in them, unless they are really big seed. Sometimes I will start seed in a Jiffy pellet greenhouse inside, then put them in the jugs for more growth when it gets warmer. One jug will hold 3 pellets. I plant several in the pellets too, not just one, then cut them apart to plant them. I usually hold off until May 1st to put my plants in the ground , but I broke down today and started planting some things from my ws jugs. lol
Sounds like everyone has a way to ws that works for them and they like. I know you can buy the shoebox plastic boxes at The $1 Store, where everything is a dollar. Don't know about any of the other dollar type stores, but I'm sure that is cheaper than Walmart. OMG, another thought! What is wrong with me today! LOL!!!!!
I was reading the news on my laptop when something darkened the window to my left. I missed the head but the body of the moose walking down my sidewalk within inches of the window all but filled the window. I figure a full grown mother. Wonder where baby is. I went outside to see if she was in my garden but other than a huge footprint or two she didn't seem to have done any damage to my iris and daffys coming up. Time to mix up a batch of Planskyyd and drench the snow and parts of the bed exposed.
I don't like Plantskkyd because of the staining color that stays on the plants, but I got 4 boxes of them at a very special price. Also it clogs my sprayer, any suggestions? (I have loads of deer!) Liquid Fence seems to work pretty well, if I get out there in time as the deer will mow the tulips to the ground if I miss them...YIKES!!
Yes, I agree on the staining. That includes your house and mailbox and it doesn't fade away. I bought the liquid for for a few years then went to the powdered form because it is about half the price. I mix it well and let it sit in a five gallon bucket. Then I wrap cheese cloth around the top of the canister and pour it very very slowly in. If you go too fast it will spill over. It does soak the cheesecloth and can be messy no matter what. Before using the canister, I pull the filter from the inside of the container and clean and clean it well. I also make sure that the nozzle fitting (brass) and the plastic piece at the end of the house are totally clean. Shake the container well after pouring in the stuff to further break up any potential clumps. After using up the canister full, I reclean the filters. A pain I agree. But so is losing all my plants. And not just the eaten ones. One big hoof print on top of iris, peonies, tulips, daffys etc will about kill them. Even if they haven't emerged from the ground the hoof prints are at least 4" deep down to the frozen level beneath. fortunately the majority of my garden is out back behind fences. But I am thinking of adding a third bed out front and even though it would be pretty much all dormant plants or dahlias, the 'stomping into mud' issue is still present. I refuse to consider using a moose fence in a suburban area especially as we share a lawn with a neighbor. We own 3/4 and they own 1/4 so it would be pretty mean to run a fence right down the property line, even if it was only meant to protect my gardens.
My black poppy seeds have germinated today. YEAH!!!! I was so worried. Hopefully they will all follow suit now. I also have (sown inside) squash and cukes coming out my ears. Boy do they take off fast. Need to get the zuchinni going. Hmmm. Maybe it is time to WS that sort of stuff outside now. In containers. Green onions, zukes, and a retry on my nasturtiums.
Visual image! That would be awesome to watch a moose walk by your window! But I guess it isn't real unusual to you.
I know one of my poppies that is growing whole heartedly is the lavender ones. I know that because I put them in the large planter that has my elephant ears in it. The EE are just coming up so not blocking any sun from them, but they do get morning shade.
I don't see many lavendar germinating yet. And I was really disappointed. The seeds I got from OSPS haven't done well. but I am pretty sure it is my fault. How I planted them. I have a few starts so I will transplant into better containers today and hope for the best. Poppy seeds seem to be really hardy souls.
Here is another one of my uses for a strawberry jar besides strawberries. lol I just buy small begonia plants and re-plant it every spring. Doesn't over winter well in the house. You can just plant them straight into the hole and as they grow, they will start growin upward. These have been planted probably 2 weeks.
Lots of good information here. At what point should the top come off the milk jug? Is it ok to leave the plants in the jug until they're ready to go into the ground or do they need to be potted up fist?
Crit, I do the same thing with the dark leaved begonias in a light green mosaic tiled strawberry jar and they do look great!!
I've been away from home babysitting for a few weeks and was so happy to see all the seedlings in my winter sow containers. Most every jug has something in it but half of them have just a few of the seeds germinating.
Do you put a tube down the middle with holes in it to get the water to evenly distribute. I have been planting, transplanting and watering all day. Oh, and shoveling snow. Can't forget that. I have no clue what I am going to do with it all. Especially squash and zuchinni. I mean how much of that stuff can two people eat. I am taking five classes at the cooperative extension to learn how to use a pressure canner, hot water bath canning, drying and freezing. That should about cover it. Somewhere in there someone can tell me what to do with excess squash. The zuchinni I grate and freeze along with the rhubarb but into 1/2" chunks just right for cooking with. Another jug has sprouted; it is the red-lavender peonies. Pretty soon I have to HOD out the two jugs that have been busily multiplying. I don't think they could stay in there til middle end of May. They would never transplant they would be so bound up together.
Roses, that is really pretty. I use the dark leaved ones too as my is in mainly shade.
Yes Mary, I have a piece of PVC pipe in the middle for watering, and also run the water hose around the outside of the jar to let it get in from the outside too.
You will be an expert when you finish all your classes. I have done all of them, however, with out the aid of classes. I'm sure that would really help. About the only thing I dry is beef jerky. Need to work on some other things too.
A good idea here is to plant the dang poppy seeds right into a container and grow them right there. Now THAT's an idea I can use. Have avoided sowing the poppies because I hate the transplant process. I thought about sowing them on the ground where I want them, but I also have some black seeds and there are too few Crit to risk just throwing them down.
Thanks for the idea. :D
p.s. I bought Court an EE bulb last year and it is sending up shoots now. It is in the ground. I want to move it - transplant it somewhere away . . . how will THAT do on transplant do you think? Best to put it in a pot? What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
I still have some that haven't germinated yet. Interesting since they are all so similar and sown the same day the same manner. Weird. But they will come...patience. I will be transplanting some soon and have been thinking about how I can maximize the number of plants I get. Thinking I will use a small olive fork (like for olives at the dinner table) to get very tiny hunks and try to spread them a little when they go into individual pots. That's what I did last year. If some don't germinate, I still have some seeds left of each kind - enough to at least spread them and hope for enough plants to get seed pods.
I have poppies coming up that I broadcasted in the garden. I had read that this is to be done in November. Glad I did this - I already have over 100 jugs of seeds that are popping up with no idea where to put them. WS'ing is like a dog that goes into the river swimming - if you dont' the dog tethered they will swim to Canada...(at least our dog would do that)
LOL. Good analogy Carolyn. I am glad I stopped filling jugs when I did. Can't say it was a roaring success but I sowed a lot of seeds that maybe don't work here. Some are perennials here so I would have expected better results from them. Not giving up yet. YEAH! The landscaper is coming Wednesday to look at our plans and give us the (heart arresting) estimate. that may cause a bit of a scale back.
Boy, you leave your plants in their containers way long. I would have thought to get them out much smaller. I will have to rethink my plan. Most of my garden is out from snow; now to wait for the ground to thaw. With the sun hitting it, it should happen soon.
Anita, how the heck are you going to get those Centaura seedlings safely out of the container. IF too much growth with loss of roots when you get them out, they won't stand much chance. I would trim them back after you transplanted them. That way those roots left won't have to support so much green growth while getting established and growing new roots. I always do that when transplanting or dividing.
Below is a transplanting hormone solution to help plants get established quicker. It is diluted with water. I use it on everything and it is great. Walmart and Home Depot have it.
Blomma, I have Quick Start too. I have used it for years. Unfortunately, we are still getting lows temperatures. Last night was in theow 30s. I'm afraid to transplant until we out of danger of frost. I would love to get everything planted but it is a lot easier to cover while in the containers. Do you all transplant as soon ad the ground thaws?
As my container plants get big enough, I transplant into individual small pots but leave them outside. I can't plant in the ground until May 30ish. Oh, and Garden Gnome poppies germinated today. I really like them. I didn't think that different poppies would have different germination times but it sure seems so. Sorry I planted them in rows in flats, in some cases four different types.
Anita, I can hear your Centaura from here, "Let me ooouuutttt!! Oh PLEASE let me out!!!" LOL!!!!!! I let mine get that big too, when it's just too darned cold to plant them out into the ground. My first year I had MONDO-sized Bachellor Buttons that were just screaming to escape their WS jugs. They did just fine. =)
Tomorrow will be our warmest day for a while (60 degrees). I see my Salvia Patens Blue Angel, Delphinium Magic Fountain-Lilac, Verbascum Southern Charm, Spicata Rose Veronica, Blue Baptista Australis, Soulmate Butterfly Weed, Delphinium Magic Fountain Cherry Blossom and Helena Gold Helenium are doing ok. No sign of my Astra Pink Ballon Flower or my Crimson Spotted bellflower.
I'm afraid that, in the next week or so, all my WS jugs are going to get emptied out whether they like it or not, I'm sick and tired of all that CRAP sitting around on my deck doing nothing!! I think I'm going to just cut the tops and bottoms off/out, and stick jug and all down in the beds with a spit and a prayer, and hope for the best. But, it probably won't happen until next weekend (nearly 2 weeks from now), when I know I'm not going to be going anywhere the whole weekend. Harrumph!
I brought all mine inside and thankfully many have germinated at least a little. Guess our weather is just too cold for winter sowing. Oh. That sounded odd. Well, too cold and lasts too far into the spring to germinate many types of seeds in time. But I have started transplanting some from gallon jugs into 6 paks. I still cannot plant outside partially due to landscapers and partially due to temp. I am starting to panic when I see all I have in the garage and not knowing when they will come to get their work done. I can't put in the raised beds until they get their equipment out.
blooma, how do you plant your daylily seeds? I planted some but none have come up. I may of killed them when I covered them with boiling water and let them set until the water had cooled completely. Maybe I am being impatient, but it seems like I should be seeing something by now. I also planted 3 roots that were sent to me in a trade that aren't coming up. I scratched back the top of the soil and didn't see anything. I hate to dig them up to check them in case they are setting roots, but yes, I guess I am impatient. lol
Speediebean, you gave me the push that I needed to get all that crap off my deck!! Tomorrow they go right into the ground with the survival of the fittest.
Salvia Patens Blue Angel
Verbascum Southern Charm
Lots of California Poppies
Delphinium Magic Fountain Lilac and Blue
Blushing Susie Vines
Japanese Morning Glory Vines
I finally pitched the last of my non-producing jugs (minus soil of course) yesterday. I am transplanting those that have grown into individual pots. I won't have my gardens available until middle of June. Maybe by then they will be of a size to plant out. Weather continues to be cold and yukky. It is 1pm and 47F. A slight breeze doesn't improve it. I was transplanting in the garage with the door open. Had to move everyone outside for some sun regardless of temp. My fingers and hands became a little numb for handling the little seedlings. So now I am in the house drinking coffee. I put my lilies in the cold frame out back. And will put more in the upright greenhouse and pray it stays above 35 at night.
Crit, Here is how. Although they can be sown like iris seeds. I never sow directly in soil. I prefer the Deno method explained below.
Sprouted daylily seedling in a kitchen towel just prior to planting.
BEGIN BY SOAKING SEEDS OVER NIGHT IN HAND HOT WATER. This will plump up and soften the seedcoat.
I use a damp kitchen paper towel, cut in half and moistened. Squeeze out the excess water. Fold it in half. Place the seeds in a corner and fold one end over the seeds. Place this package in a small ziplock bag and zip it, leaving a small opening to blow air into the bag to fill like a balloon. Once filled, zip it closed. Place in fridge crisper for 3 weeks to stratify the seeds. After 2 weeks, check to see if any have begun to sprout, which sometimes they do. After 3 weeks, move to room temp to germinate.
Sprouting time depends on variety. At this point, check the seeds several times during the week, starting after the 3rd day. As soon as seeds have formed a radical (tiny roots forming) with a tweezer grasp the seed casing of those and transfer to seed flat or pot. Make a hole with a pencil and guide the root into the hole. Plant so the seed is 1/4" below the surface, 1" or more, apart. Be sure to place roots downwards in the hole. If the roots have grown into the paper towel, just tear around the roots and plant it. Do not try to remove the roots from the paper. The paper will eventually rot.
Seedlings transplanted to a 6-pack
Until the sprouted seeds have broken through the soil, they do not need light. However, once they do, grow them in a sunny window, under light, or place the flat outside in a protected area if weather is warm.
All are now growing under plant lights until it is safe to plant them outdoors.
When the seedlings are large enough to handle, pot them in a 3" pot. I use the 3" foam cups made for coffee. A screwdriver will easily punch drainage holes. The cups are cheap to buy at Walmart, or if used, save them from work. Plant outside when all danger of frost is past in your zone.
The earlier Daylilies and Irises are sown, the longer the growing time, which will produce earlier flowers.
Transplanted to my coldframe. Photo taken November 14, 2011. Here they will stay until next season.
Photo #5 Below is the first of my seedlings to bloom summer of 2011 at age18 month. It glowed. A polychrome like its pod parent Highland Pinched Fingers. It will be even better this season.
Roses, well, since we finally got that back bed finished yesterday, and I got all that I wanted put on it (and beside it), today is the day I clear off my own deck, and I don't care if it rains or not! As you said, "survival of the fittest", some may still look too small to put out, but I don't care. THEY'VE GOT TO GO!!!!!!!!!! It's like a blow-out sale at a mattress store, "EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!". =D
Thanks so much for the detailed instructions blomma!!!!!! I did soak the seed, but then planted in the ground. Maybe I will dig them up and see if any of them are still good and not rotten, and try to do them your method. I have nothing to lose but a little time, right?
I'm waiting for my DH to finish my flower bed along my deck railing and across my back fence. Then I will be doing my blow out sale and finish up my planting. Still have some things that I have specific places for, but they aren't big enough yet. I put out some celosia and cockscomb and they look sooooo tiny in the garden. Have had to replace some of them and something made lunch out of a few others! I prefer to wait until they are bigger, but I gave it a shot.
We started a new project yesterday that turned into 2 new projects. We (DH) decided he was ready to start on the fish pond for me in the back yard. We (DH) still needs to finish the flowerbed along the deck railing and back fence, rock pathway from front door around to the gate in the privacy fence, raised flowerbed along the road on the south side of the house, and then he went an bought some sod to put down in some low places and places he had spread some of the good dirt that was coming out of the flowerbed. LMBO!!!!! We have tons of sandstone around here, so we just go out to the pastures and dig up big ones as well as the pasture where I keep my horses across the path in the back. We are doing the pond by liner at the base of an old Mimosa tree that he cut down last year. He washed all the dirt out from the roots then took the chainsaw and cut them out. It was quite an ordeal. It is on a slope so we are making a retaining wall of about 18" at one end and the other end is at the tree. I have lots of pictures as we go, but haven't downloaded them yet. Digging out the pond was a major undertaking with all the tree roots he had to chop out with an axe. The old tree was 3 trees grown together so the stump is probably over 2' across. I'll start adding pics after I get them downloaded and edited.
Crit, you are welcome. I would dig the seeds up. Oklahoma is pretty hot for daylily seeds to be planted without stratification. I never sow anything directly in the ground. Follow my directions and stick them in the fridge for 3 weeks. They should sprout when brought out into warmer temp.
You and your DH sure have your hands full but what fun when done. I always wanted a pond but never lived where it would be possible.
I spend all day today making a rockgarden then planting my order of Daylilies. Also began planting my iris and daylily seedlings in coldframe. Yesterday I was helping my daughter in her garden. Now I am tired and going to bed.
Crit, I am really looking forward to seeing the pics of your pond-in-progress!! WOWEEE, what a major undertaking!!!!
I got the entire deck cleared off yesterday, pheewww!!!! Many of my WS containers simply did not germinate at all, so I saved all the soil from them in one container, and when I finally get around to weeding out that driveway-side bed (this week!), I'll spread that soil in there along with some direct-sown seeds, and pray for something good to happen. The rest of the stuff that *did* germinate got put into containers and are in/on the new bed out back or in the front big bed. So darned many of them were just tiny teeny, so I hope they fair well, but they just HAD to get the heck off the deck! Winter Sowing is now officially DONE at my house! =)
Got back from vaca to find many of my seedlings growing out if the containers. Opened the jugs and transplanted to garden. We got rain today so I hope it helps with the shock. The plants started drooping as soon as I open the.containers.
Someone mentioned the peony poppies not blooming this year and reseeding themselves??? I wsed several jugs of peony poppies. Germination rate was great. It would be a shame not to get them back next year.
I wonder if maybe winter sowing doesn't work so well for us. The weather has to get to a certain warmth for the seeds to germinate. If you never get to that warmth?? I think that I might try a few containers next year of VERY hardy seeds and start them around the end of March. That way they get the cold they may need, but won't sit in the containers for so long drying out. I also pitched a lot of containers that simply never worked. I have poppies coming out my ears and have HOS's them into individual containers. I put far too many seeds in each row since I had so many. Doesn't work too well.
My peony poppies all germinated.
How do you trade seedlings by mail. Seems they are so delicate they would be smooshed.
Oberon, I often wondered what I have laying around that would be good to ship seedlings in. I do have, in my shed, the plastic shipping material that I received some larger than plugs plants in. When I get home (next Monday) I'll try to remember to post a picture of them. There's a little pot like space for the soil, a space for the seedling growth, and then a protective flap that comes down to cover the whole thing. Maybe they can go in strong paper towel or toilet paper spools. I guess anything made tubular with care given securing the little plant from crushing would do.
Oberon46, Walmart sells 6x9" bubble mailers. I buy the pack of 5, then I cut each in half if only a few seeds. Walmart also sell small ziplock bags in the craft department that I use for seeds. I use bubble wrap the seeds then stick them in the bubble mailers. Done this way, any seed would be protected.
OK gals, here are some pics of our pond. It is 3'x6'x26''. You will see DH measuring and marking, etc in the pics. All has to be exact, he is anal about making sure things are perfect, but I'm glad he is. The first pics are of the stump that we are making it in front of. It was a mimosa that had 3 trees growing together that we had to cut down last year. Then you will see the pic of "real men do read instructions. The rest are just the progression. Will take me 2 posts to show them to you.
Boy. What a job. Your DH is pretty nice to bust his buns working on that job. Looks like it will be a really nice pond with personality. I like the stump. Hope the roots are all dead though. In three weeks the work starts on mine, along with the back yard. I have 'before' pics already taken.
Actually, it had little suckers coming up along the sides of the stumps on some roots. We were going to leave them to make a background along the sides to where we start the rock. DH just mentioned a little while ago that he hadn't seen any coming back yet and hoped he hadn't killed them all. We will just have to wait and see.
Holy COW Crit, that is gonna be such a great pond!!! BRAVO to your DH, what wonderful work he's doing!!!! Do you plan to have fishies in it, or will it be a plant-pond? It's going to be sooooo pretty when it's all done... heck, it's **already** really pretty!! =)
P.S. Was that a level I saw sitting on the stump in pic 2, round 2? ;)
I was wondering that also. The only reason I mentioned roots is that if the roots, which will obviously be large, get into the pond sides it could wreck your pond. My husband said I shouldn't put ferns around our pond as their roots get into everything and could move our rocks. I am not so sure about that as our rocks are really big. Bigger than I can move for sure.
Oh, I am here every day reading what is going on. Just don't have much to say. Things are at a standstill for now. Just waiting for beds and hauling flats in and out of the garage every day to keep them alive. I have planted some of what I have gotten that I thought could handle the weather. Will put the rest out today.
I guess that the "blue poppies" that I've been trying to winter sow over the years will be something that I'll give up on. I also did not have good luck with balloon flowers. Most everything else had varying degrees of germination with good seedlings. Even if only a few were successful, it was still lots less expensive than purchasing the plant.
I have tried the poppies (peony). I had good germination but I am worried that I wont get them back next year since they didn't bloom this year. I love the oreiental poppies. I have wsn for 3 years now and I still don't have a single poppy in my garden.
Don't worry about it, Anita. I have around twenty flats to pull in and out, plus 36 dahlia pots. I have another 15 dahlias in smalIer pots as I just received them a week or so ago. I have actually started planting some stuff that I have multiples of in case of a late frost. But I don't see that happening. Also want to be sure the moose have gone back up the hills so they don't eat what I have out front. Backyard is fenced.
Today is just gorgeous - 59F and sunny which for us is nice. Oh, that 59 is in the deep shade on our front porch that faces west. I am trying out planting cabbage, lettuce, basis, and such in with my flowers. Especially where I have tulips and such that will die down in a few weeks. Crocus are pretty much done for. Daffy's are pretty much all blooming and some tulips.
I'm like Oberon, I pop in just about every morning before work, and I read and read, but don't have a whole heck of a lot to say either. I don't get into the forums a whole lot in the evenings after work 'cause I'm just too pooped to pop!
I think I've decided to do a VERY minimal amount of Winter Sowing this coming winter 'cause this past one was a real dud. So darned many things did nothing at all and I ended up buying a whole lot of plants after all. =( Not to mention the fact that my biggest bed is really full now, and with the Agastache and Jerusalem Cherries self-seeding, next year I am SURE I won't have ANY room at all for anything new... at least, not in that bed. I installed 2 Balloon flowers last August, but they pooped out really soon after installation so I figured I killed 'em. Not so! They are back beautifully this year and looking nice and strong, so I think I'll stake 'em up soon so they'll be ready for when they bud and bloom. The afore-mentioned Agastache look like they're on steroids, I think they are taller than I am... I am 5'1". One of 'em self-seeded RIGHT next to the "parent" plant, so it looks like one HUGE FAT one, and both of them are smothered in buds, look like they should bloom any minute now. I can't wait!! =)
As for the driveway-side bed, ... well, I need to clean it out STILL. < =/ But after that's done, I see that I've got oodles of Shasta Daisies to have fun with, and some of those volunteer Dianthus are rearing their pretty little heads... along with some lovely Bachelor Buttons, one of which is blooming now. That poor bed really needs a going-over, but still, I don't think I'll have room for Winter Sown stuff in there either. . Nope, next time around I think I'll just do maybe 10-15 jugs and that's it. I'll have to select very carefully.
Speedie, please, please, please post some pictures of your agastache and balloon flowers. You must feed them good! I got apricot sprite from Fruity but it didn't come back. :-( I think I killed it. For some reason that color agastache is hard to find around here.
I have tried agastache and balloon flowers a few times but no luck. Technically they should work here. Must be my gardening. I love the colors of agastache. I had a deep crimson I was really hoping would survive. No soap.
Howdy dooo!! Okey dokey, it just so happens that I took a couple pics of my Agastache yesterday morning before I headed out to work, so I'll share one of those now, then I'll take a couple of my balloon flowers on my way out to get my truck's oil changed and share those later today. =)
In this pic you can see one of the Agastache in the foreground, it's the smaller of the 2. The other double-fat one is farther back. I'll get better shots in a bit. It was drizzling and semi-dark yesterday morning when I took this pic. < =/
(You don't want to see the other pic that I took, it shows my Jerusalem cherry that I transplanted... and it didn't really like it!) < =(
Hiya! I had time before I gotta head out so I went out and took the pics.
I am quite certain my Agastache are taller than I am; as I was out there and was trying (unsuccessfully) to get shots of the buds at the tops, I had to look UP... I'd guess they're about 5 1/2 feet tall or so. These ones that I've got are Tooty fruity (sp?), and the foliage smells soooooooo good!! I love to go out and rub them so the air is permeated with the lovely sweet scent.
Anyway, let's see how it goes to post a few pics here.
1: Another one of Agastache, this is the "double-fat" one. Facing the bed, it's to the left of the "smaller" one.
2: The bigger of the 2 Balloon flowers. It's got quite a bit of branching around the bottom, so I'm guessing it'll bush out more as the season progresses. I'll need to get it staked up when I get home today. Beside it is a little pot of something I started from seed, but don't remember now what. ;) To the other side is a larger pot with a Hollyhock started from seed.
3: This is a volunteer Agastache, behind the double-fat one. It's nestled up against the Otto Lyuken. To its left you can see my baby volunteer Euonymus.
That's all I'll post for now, as posting pics has been a bit troublesome lately. Gotta head out the door now, but I'll share the rest of the pics when I get back. =)
Sorry I didn't get back here last night... long story short, I've got swelling/puffy/redness problems with my right eye, so I spent the afternoon/evening with warm compresses on it and didn't get back in here.
Anyway, a few more pics of that bed... where did I leave off??
1: This is the smaller Balloon flower. Neither one of them is budding yet, but I am really looking forward to blooms on these babies!
2: Dave, looking a bit frightened that the Sedum is going to eat 'im! < =D
That's about it, really. I'm hoping we get some sunshine soon, 'cause I can't wait to see all the buds open up on the Agastache.
Well, firstly, when I install them I use compost to back-fill the holes, then I use Dr. Earth "Life" fertilizer on just about everything, except the Laurels, and for that I use Dr. Earth for acid-loving plants. I really love the Dr. Earth stuff, it makes my plants sing to me! =)
Those are beautiful speedi. You will have to show us in bloom pics when that happens! I have tried 2 years running to grow balloon plants. They start out well, then disappear. lol I tried to ws them this year. I need to go take a peek and see if any of the containers I have yet to transplant are them.
I went to a local nursery that specializes in rare and hard to find plants along with ones that are pretty much a staple around here. She had balloon flowers so I bought one, along with a trillium I have been looking for for a couple of years, a Rote Glocke, and a funny looking plant with one leaf and a single stem about 5" tall with the tiniest bell like flower in white. She has more shade stuff than sun but those are the most interesting to me.
I've been eying up the Astilbe at work for 3 years now, there are so many varieties that I want, but just haven't had the guts to try one (nor the conditions). Now that I've got my shady container garden area out back, and I've got 3 pots left that I haven't filled, I think now might be JUST the time to try one. Or 2. ;) Those pots that DH bought for me have the little dishes built into the bottoms, so I'm finding moisture to NOT be a problem... I might just have to bite the bullet and come home with 1 (or 2) today. Do they do ok in containers? Would a 1 gallon size container be big enough?
I had them in my shade garden, but they still did not come up. And it was an extremely HOT summer last year. One day was 114* in the shade! They should not sell things here that will not grow in our climate!!!! Nuff said
Lowe's brings stuff up here labeled 'perennial good to -10' all the time. That is NOT a perennial in Anchorage. Even 'good to -20' is a crap shoot and yet up they come. Caveat Emptor is the name of the plant buying game there. Otherwise go to the local nurseries. They order from outside but are more careful about what they label perennial.
Hey Speedie - things look great. I think we need an update on the new container gardening thread you started...
About your Agastache - I have been amazed by the size of mine also. I took the seeds from a 'Black Adder' when I worked at a botanic garden in MA. First of all, they're supposed to be sterile. Of course, since it's a hybrid x it won't come true from seed either. SO.
It's a cross between A. foeniculum and A. rugosum. Neither of the parent plants are supposed to be more than 3'-5' either.
The first year from seed the plants were at least 10'. I have never seen anything like it in full sun - I was shocked, but not appalled!!! In the shade they are still 6'-7'+ tall.
I don't "feed" them. I have examined the volunteer seedlings and I believe the plants more closely resemble the A. foeniculum, so I can't account for the size.
I also have some balloon flower and Court (BF) said yesterday that it was his "new early favorite." Every year I plant some new things he doesn't know, and he's been fascinated with the buds. The first bloom opened today.
Other things still in WS milkjug trays:
coreposis tinctoria 'Rouletta'
veronicastrum virginianum Culver's Root
Salvia uglinosa/Tall Purple Bog Sage
Salvia x 'Rose Queen'
Eryngium yuccifolium Rattlesnake Master
Baptisia (do these bloom first year from seed? I read "not")
Lupine (not a first year bloomer either)
Jupiter's Beard red valerian (?)
Balsam - touch me not
I am direct sowing some things, but have also started random containers of other things that either did not germinate the first time or germinated sporadically/not much.
I hate the heat, supposed to be 90, I have jeans and a black long sleeved cotton blouse on. I supposed it's time to get back out there to water what I planted yesterday. Watered this morning before the sun/heat came up, but you can't be too careful at this point in the game.
Good luck everybody, and have a splendid weekend. :)
I have two baptisia Purple Smoke that have been in the ground for three years (course, I moved them once) and while they grow still no flowers. also quince in the ground at least four years and no flowers. This may be their last year. I could put azalea there and get blooms the first year.