This is going to be an interesting spring. Half of the peonies are 2 feet high, which is pretty cool for the northeast. Dying to see if they truly bloom earlier. The tree peonies have large buds, so I'm sure they bloom early.
Donna, when you move a peony, does it usually rest and bloom the following year? Half of the peonies I moved last year seem to have buds (pea sized). (I did not move them to a new home as you did, just around the corner where they'd get more sun and probably more fertile soil.)
No, thank heavens. The bushes and plants that are out from snow look in very good shape. Well, as good a shape as they usually look after being buried for several months. lol. I guess the mice infestation was simply God's way of reinforcing 'pride goeth before a fall.' I was so very proud of my tree peonies. If the new ones do well, mums the word. :)
No the peonies did not rest. Almost all of them have buds! Probably the most amazing is Lady Alexandra Duff. I planted it in 2005, pulled it out in September 2010 (damaging its roots) did not even pot it until October (the root was in the trunk of my car for several days!), and which is now still in its pot. I didn't expect it to even break dormancy, but look at her in picture 1! I have to plant her. She is larger than last year.
The second picture is Burma Joy, which doubled in height since I pulled it from the pot I put it in in April of last year, and put in the ground this last December.
The third is Lois. Also a much larger plant than before.
So no, most of them did not rest when put in pots. And all of them are bigger than the year before, even with torn roots. Some that did not bloom very well, because of originally being planted poorly (Moonstone) are bigger than they have ever been.
I think that the "rules" we are given are for perfect circumstances. I did not have a choice - I had to move them or lose them. I thought it was probably foolish to move Duff - I did it anyway. Now I have learned just how much abuse peonies can really take. I expected her to be dormant this spring. Now I have to get her into the ground.
I stopped by the Linda Hall Library today, hoping to see their tree peony collection in bloom. Unfortunately, most of the peonies had already bloomed, but there were a few specimen plants still bearing blooms.
I am really surprised that the tree peonies have finished blooming so soon. Your spring must be a lot warmer than the spring here in my zone 9a in California. Hope you are able to see them next year! Maybe the Library can set up a facebook page and send out a Tree Peony Bloom alert LoL.
Subject of moving peonies-- I've been able to move peonies after the first year with no apparant problems to the buds or blooms. Peony books have mentioned "heeling in" which is giving a temporary location while the plant gets started, usually over winter. One of the catalog websites also mention it this year. Maybe Hidden Gardens? I'm not sure. They say to keep the plant happy, do not rotate its position any relative to the sun when replanting it, and that they mark a leaf when replanting a lot of them. Otherwise the prevailing wisdom probably holds-- better but not impossible to wait a few years so the roots can be divided when replanting.
Well, I understand your point, but I really believe that the catalogs and books (some written by peony hybridizers) are aimed at minimizing their losses, which I understand, but which my experience tells me has nothing to do with reality. Moving them was easy. And every one of them is bigger after the two moves, which took place within one year.
It seems a shame to me that people are leaving peonies behind because they believe this very conservative advice. I moved three year old peonies, as well as a peony that I planted in 2005. I didn't heel them in. I put them in pots, put the pots in an unheated garage, and then into the ground. Again, it was easy. Especially replanting them, because the entire root system is in a pot. If you heel them in you have to dig them up, which creates more root disturbance even if done carefully. They all started sprouting in the pots! And now they are covered in buds - far more than the last time they bloomed in the ground.
Of course, if you accept the conventional wisdom, you have to start over and buy new peonies every time you move. Which creates more sales. And prices go up every year. I did not have to buy eight new peonies. And go through the early years of will it bloom? Wondering if it is what I ordered?
The best thing about having to move is discovering how many things written by experts and authorities have nothing to do with reality. I'm going back to the things I have read in supposedly authoritative books, and it's amazing how many things that I have discovered that they insist upon are just not true. If they were right, 75% of my plants would be dead.
I'm really happy that I was forced to do this. I learned at lot. Especially from Lady Alexandra Duff, which was dug up after 7 years, had torn roots, was thrown into the trunk of my car for two days, and then put in a pot. It's bigger than ever. If I had listened to the experts, she would still be in the ground at my old house.
I moved mine simply because they were not thriving as they should, which I attributed to not enough sun, so the sunlight orientation doesn't work for me. And they are thriving.
Donna, I think love and attitude have a lot to do with it. My yard and gardens are far from decorators' dreams, but people come by and say "I wish I could grow that." Maybe I should not talk to the plants so much...
The only problem I had was trying to move a tree peony - that was not successful. Given that experience, I would always recommend that when planting a tree peony, be careful that you choose an appropriate site for it at the very beginning.
Oh my goodness, I am ONLY speaking of lactifloras. I have never grown a tree peony, and my expertise there is 0.
Cathy, I agree about the love and attitude. People love different things, and most of the people around me are satisfied to use landscapers, but they have been stopping by to chat when I'm in the yard, and many people stop in their tracks to look at something (a great way to meet new neighbors!)
And, scientifically speaking, talking to a plant is great. This is from Ask Yahoo:
"It turns out that there may be some truth to the belief that talking to plants helps them grow, but not for the reasons you may think. According to ScienceNet, plants need carbon dioxide to grow, and when you talk to a plant, you breath on it, giving it an extra infusion of CO2."
The neighbor's dog tends to go nuts when I'm gardening anywhere near him - barking and barking and barking - until I started a running dialog with her. I put roses, peonies and small shrubs near the fence, so I have to care for them. I just start talking to the dog about gardening.
Do you like this rose? It's my favorite.
Aren't the daffodils nice?
Where should I put the second rose? Here? There? What do you think? There? OK.
Gonna get those weeds now.
She lies down next to the fence and just gazes at me. I can be as little as a foot away. Right next to her territory.
that is so funny. Our neighbor's dog can't see me because we have a wooden fence but I can sure hear him. I mutter also, but none that bears repeating here. Oh, and then the other neighbor's dogs start in. So pleasant at 6am on a sunny cool morning with your coffee.
I used to yell at her when she carried on, and then I found out that she lost her companion of many years. Which makes them territorial. With my new house I inherited a 16 year old cat who had lost his lifelong companion, and then his owners left. He stopped eating and seemed very stressed. I started brushing him and adding a little more food and flax oil to his diet. He was aloof before they left, but now he follows me everywhere and wants to either sit on my lap or be within about three feet. And he seems more relaxed. And he is back to a normal weight.
I also found that some schoolgirls were routinely teasing the dog next door and revving her up. So I waited one day until they were doing it and used calm voice to tell them that I would appreciate it if they didn't tease the dog because it disturbed me and my neighbors. It never happened again. I find more and more that I have to "discipline" other peoples' children. They respond to a calm, authoritative voice - undoubtedly different from the ones they hear at home.
Yes, the dog chorus. I get that too. At least it's a little further away.
Hey everyone, I chuckling about the conversation with the neighbor's dog. Too funny. I have no time to talk to the neighbor's dogs, I was too busy running inside from them as they chased me into my house. The owner seemed to think they just wanted to play, but those large sharp teeth that were showing as they ran towards me barking told a different tale. A few years ago one of them went after my 2 yr old god-daughter, and it certainly didn't look playful. Needless to say, I'm the proud owner of a very nice, expensive fence that I had no intentions of having to put up, but fear for my safety and that of my family spurred me towards that decision. They had also urinated and soiled and destroyed hundreds of dollars of my plants over time, and I figure replacing the plants repeatedly vs a fence was about an even cost.
Any old hoooo, back to the peonies. Here's Raspberry Sundae, it's still in it's pot and will get planted this fall.
Itoh Yumi. It has an interesting yellow color, and a lot of buds yet to open.
So the bloom season continues here in GA, and the nice thing is that we've cooled off, so the blooms are lasting longer, and we finally have gotten some rain in the last few days. Who was it that predicted when the peonies started blooming, that the rain was guaranteed to come, so true, oh so true.
Good morning Kathy, it is Siberian iris Caesar's Brother, however it appears more blue in the photo that it should be. I gathered a ton of seeds that were bee pollinated last year, dmail me if you want some of the seeds. I did winter sow some last year and they germinated well and have been planted in other parts of the garden. Annette
My noid continues to bloom, and now the yellow cabbage rose as well. This is the best this rose has done since I planted it years ago. I hope that next year the weather cooperates and doesn't get too hot too early. I wanted to see both the peonies planted in front of this rose blooming with it at the same time, however, because of the early heat, one of the peonies finished blooming weeks ago, and the other is just about done as the rose is taking off.
Cem, for the unpronounceable, drop the first and last letters, and that should work.
Soils, replanted tree peonies tend to look dead for a while. I thought I lost the one we put in last year, but it was just late in starting. The one put in the year before (amazingly) was dug up when my prince turned over the garden, so it probably looked dead. Amazing, because he was the one who planted it for me.
If the new one blooms this year, I'll post. It will be our only yellow peony.
Marcia - the one I tried to transplant is definitely a goner. Right after transplanting, it valiantly put out a couple of tiny buds, but died soon thereafter. I left the "stick" in place, but it has been 3 years now so it is safe to say it bit the dust. Glad yours survived.
Like clockwork, as soon as the pink tree peony fades into the dusk, the white one opens up. This one is in the backyard so it is only seen by a few. But, everyone who visits me this week gets dragged into the backyard. LoL
Lea - that is one nice specimen of Coral charm. I have maybe 3 buds on mines, nothing close to your numbers. Hope the hail does not do too much damage.
Unfortunately, that is another one of my NOIDs labeled as "White" tree peony when I got it. I tried taking some branch cuttings to root several times, but have never been successful. Anyone out there had any success rooting tree peony cuttings? The white one tend to bush out more, and the pink tree peony tend to grow more upright. I prune them maybe every other year. And it would great if I can find the secret to rooting them...
Tree Peony is in full bloom now! And it smells wonderful!!!
This was sold to me as "Kinshi", but it looks more like "High Noon", so I'm calling it "High Noonish".
soilsandsup - I had to move this tree peony 3 years after I originally planted it, since the bed it was originally planted in was torn out and rebuilt, and while it looked like it wasn't going to make it, and I lost a lot of plant material, it came back fine. That was about eight years ago.
I do so hope you guys don't get another drought. Oklahoma and Texas will just dry up and blow away. Oh, wait a minute. They already did that, along with half the mid west. Not joking at all. I truly pray for rain for you guys -- just the right amount not a torrential downpour. That just runs off and makes a mess anyway.
Yup. My Kinshi looks just like yours. It is potted up as I am waiting for snow to leave the beds.
Hi, I'm brand new to DG and am looking around to get the feel of the place. I have a few Peonies that I treat like my children and brag about even more than my own children sometimes. I've added the peony forum to my favs and then saw this thread. I've skimmed down a few pages ~is this the designated spot to post pics of current year blooms? On the main peony forum page I saw lots of separate "help me identify this peony " threads...Do ya'll have one place you prefer to have these inquiries posted or is it fine to start new threads for each? Just trying to get the feel for the "posting etiquette" 'round here before I jump in an offend a bunch of folks with my lack of home training, Lol. I'm posting a pic of one of my babies that I DO know the name of, this is my favorite, Sorbet. Glad to be here!
Your 'Sorbet' is gorgeous, UpAllNightAgain! Welcome to DG!
You'll find most of us are pretty laid back - no official protocol or etiquette handbook, as far as I know (just no 'flaming' - LOL). If I were you and I had an ID questions, I think I'd start a new thread because that might stimulate someone to view/respond.
This is the traditional place for posting peonies as they develop. But there are no rules. We are pretty flexible.
I have noticed that when people start a new ID thread here they get responses, but if I may observe, this thread we are on now gets triggered by everyone who has selected it. To see a new thread I would have to to the peony forum and look for it. You'll notice that there are hundreds of viewings on the peony 2012 thread. That a lot of eyes!
Welcome to DG upallnightagain, we're practically neighbors, I'm just a smidgen further north in GA than you are. BTW, your Sorbet is gorgeous. I hope that you enjoy DG, please let us know which peonies you have. Annette
Welcome UANA -- it's a great place here to make friends and share knowledge. And for those of us who are still under snow, it is so nice to see your gorgeous flowers. My peonies will be blooming when they are all gone down south. but your fall flowers will be going strong when I am once again chipping ice off my windshield. lol
The first official pip making it up for me is Julia Rose. Think she was first last year. Ahead of Red Charm right next door. RC always seems to have a frost cap that takes just a little longer to melt. I swear I have filled it in each year. This year for sure.
Vermont returns to the fray! Took me a few days to read all the posting & catch up. We went on out annual "mud time" vacation and got back April 18th. Some peonies were 6 inches high and starting to leaf out. Considering that last year I saw my first pip on April 22nd, I'd say we were running about two weeks early. Some of my new peonies (bare roots from Klehm,s) are up to a foot tall and budded but we after a week of "summah" we are looking at rain/snow mix and as low as 22 degrees this week. Is there anything I should (can?) do for the precocious plants?
Loved following Donna Mack's comments on Peony Abuse! I transplanted for the first time last fall. Two very old peonies, one probably a Festivas and one a Sarah Bernhartish. They were old and well established when I moved in seven years ago but had begun to bare fewer flowers. I dug them up and had two root balls about the size and density of a bowling ball. Impossible to separate so I took a sharp spade and a sledgehammer to them and wound up with about six plants of each ( they all had lots of the small white fall roots). Result? I have a eleven new plants showing vigorous growth, 4-7 stems, some of which (most?) will bloom this year!! Now that is what I call Peony Abuse! :-)
Okcrow, you made me laugh. I thought I was mean to mine! Hum, maybe I should go back and get my beloved hugies, Festiva Maxima (I have a new one) Mrs. FDR and Cornelia Shaylor! From what you wrote, I should beat them with a stick. Some of them are a foot high and covered with small buds. Some of them have fewer buds but they are very large, and there are more buds than last year. Some of them are blooming for the first time.
It makes sense. There are 100 year old peonies in graveyards. They are probably competing with tree roots.
Oh, and I got some great news from my neighbor. His house is placed on the other side of his property, and my driveway is on the border. What looks like his lawn has about two feet that is really mine. He pointed out to me that he is not really taking care the area near my house - it's a bit weedy. So he told me to go ahead and plant it, and not to worry if I went beyond two feet.
GOODY - so far I have roses Marchesa Bocchella and Sea Foam, two Miscanthus sinenis Adagio, a feverfew, a Heuchera Firefly and I'm going to add some japanese anemones. And I have room for more peonies. Yes!
In terms of temperatures, we went below freezing too. I did nothing to protect the peonies - I did cover the lilies. I think these gals are tough!
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome and kind comments on Sorbet. I purchased the few peonies I have from the Springhill catalog 10 years ago this September and when I received the bareroot plants, I thought, "what the heck??? they sent me dead plants!" Ahem, then I did the research that I should've done before ordering, and the rest is history. The sad part is I'm not really sure which ones I have, except for Sorbet. I'm sure they're all common varieties and some names sound familiar to me when I hear them, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll post pics and if anyone can offer a suggestion, it would be greatly appreciated~ maybe I'll actually write the names down for future reference this time!
Annette, my state sister, nice to meet you! Duluth is, like most places are to Jonesboro, "about and hour from here". Well, that's on a good day with no traffic and an extra person in the car maybe. I grew up right next door to where I live now...both the city of Jonesboro and Clayton County as a whole are unrecognizable from the "good ole days", but it's still home and I'll tolerate the sirens and negative press to stay in my little corner of heaven. Have you lived in Duluth long? Georgia?
Let me know what ya'll think about my kids, these pics are from this past weekend.
1. What I would call 'average' size blooms and the bush has LOTs of buds every year
2. Lilac-pink blooms that are HUGE, so that they usually wind up on the ground after a heavy rain
3. Another average size, fewer blooms every year than most of the rest
4. More pink than lilac in this one and the blooms are large, but not as large as #2, this one rarely has more than 6 buds/year (??)
5. Large white blooms with tiny portion of red in the center...This one looks like a Festiva Maximus (sp?) that I saw earlier in this thread.
Coral Charm in full bloom and a lovely, small pink variety I added last year. Of course, I don't remember the name - anyone recognize it?
This year Coral Charm had 13 blooms. Last Sunday, I took a couple blossoms in a silver vase as a birthday gift to the gardener who gave me Coral Charm 8 years ago. he was thrilled to see the blooms and learn how well the plant is doing. He had it for five years in his garden, but it didn't ever bloom.
Hey upallnightagain, you're so right about the GA traffic. Even if I'm going 2 traffic lights away, it's about an hour from here, LOL.
I've been in GA since 1996, and have always lived north first in Alpharetta, now in Duluth since 2004. BTW, your peonies are pretty, I'll let the experts weigh in on which ones you may have.
LG, I now have Coral Charm envy, LOL, I didn't get to see the one bloom that I had open because of the rain last week. Guess I'll have to wait till next year. It was nice of you to take some of your blooms to the person who gave you the plant.
okcrow, welcome back, looking forward to seeing your blooms this year,
Immaculee finally bloomed this week, it doesn't have as many buds as Bowl of Cream or Gardenia. The second bloom is Gardenia, and it does have a wonderful scent.
It's an Itoh that I got last spring from a local nursery here as a potted plant, a Monrovia product. It was pricey, but worth every penny. I can't believe how pretty it is. I liked Keiko and Misaka, but I'm thrilled with the fullness of these blooms.
Thanks, soilsandsup, Yumi came in a 3 gallon pot, so did Keiko and Misaka, and I got them from a local nursery here called Pikes. They are products of Monrovia. All of them have done well this year. Annette
LG, both peonies are beautiful. The first one reminds me of my Gardenia blooms posted above, with a hint of red/fuchsia on the exterior of the bloom. Does yours have a scent? The second peony almost looks like Do Tell from a distance, do you have a closer view of the blooms?
Here are a few more blooms from my garden. This is Sorbet that was planted in 2009, blooming for the first time this week. It was buried too deeply, so I removed some of the soil from the tuber last fall, and it's blooming this year.
When you see them in the vase, the size of Cem's peonies becomes apparant. Waft a bit of that fragrance up north, please. At least our buds are shrugging off the near freezing night time temperatures this week.
"Lucky", a peony I bought last summer from a local grower (I bought it when I saw it in the field in May and received the root in October} has five blooms its first year! Here's the anticipation, as I watched the buds, and the reward, as they opened yesterday. They closed after the rain, but will hopefully still open again later today.
Thanks, Annette! I got to walk along the peony plants today and there were buds even on the newest ones. Thankfully they weren't ready to open when the cold evenings hit this area.Our time will come! It was an amazing birthday because my two daughters also had to make their final college picks, and I am very proud of how grounded they were in assessing the choices..
Rosemary, I'm glad you had a good day yesterday, and congrats on your daughter's choosing their colleges. Such a major life decision. My DS made a verbal commitment to Duke in February, and it was a wonderful feeling. He now has us getting him Bluedevil gear, it's too funny.
Here are a few peony blooms from today. 2 of the 3 Torch Songs are blooming.
for those who got tree peonies from cubits? Mine are still rather curled up. Have them in pots for the time being. Should they be uncurling this year or is this the year for them to just settle in and get their roots going.
I had them in the dining room window for quite a while, then moved them to the garage so I can just open the door and let my plants get sun plus I move them out of the garage (what a chore for all of the plants and flats) to the driveway for sun. It is in the 40's here so I could plant them out or just leave them out where they would get sun as soon as it is up. I don't have the bed where I want to plant them yet.
Thanks Donna, your Burma Ruby looks soooo healthy, you're going to have some lovely blooms soon.
Mary, you could put them outside in their pots to get the sunlight, if its not going to get too cold. I'm leaving mine in their pots till when fall when it gets cooler here before planting them in the garden. I can control the watering better that way. It's gets blazingly hot here during the summer, and I want to baby them a little.
Edited to add: I pulled up the Festiva Maxima that I had planted in the peony bed. It was struggling, so I potted it up and will leave it there till it behaves. We had the garden pine strawed a few weeks ago, and Nymph and Vivid got covered, and stepped on. I may pull them up as well if they don't start looking better soon.
I put some struggling ones in pots to get better control. Some peonies that had never bloomed are in major bud now. I was going to leave them in pots, assuming that they needed to recover. The great part is that you can get the entire root system into a pot. On the other hand, three peonies on which I tore up the root system are in bud.
These guys are tough! It gives us peony grower all kinds of opportunities. I'm so glad I was forced to go through this experiment.
If you planted it too deep (as I did with Moonstone) you actually have the option of removing soil above it to automatically lessen the depth. I did that and got one flower, and a plant about five inches high. But it never really popped until I dug it up and put it in a pot. Last year at about this time I did just that - dug it up and put it in a pot. It is now a foot tall.
I personally would dig and replant. Can you get it all? I was able to. If you can dig it up with no root disturbance.
Pic 1. In 2010, buried too deeply, no flowers, and not much of a plant. It had been installed in 2002. I removed earh and got one small flower.
Pic 2, In 2011, into a pot in April.
Pic 3. Replanted in the ground on March 23 - a very funky root I put up high.
All the talk about tree peonies made me want to try one again. Many years ago I bought a pricey one (for me) that was puny and promptly died. I tried again about 10 years ago, but still no tree peony.
Sunday I was at a nursery, spending a gift certificate I'd received 4 months ago, and they had just received a bunch of tree peonies - the price seemed reasonable (earlier in the day I'd stopped at a local peony grower's market and purchased four 'must-have' beauties}, so I bought one. It's not a name variety (it's called 'dark pink'), but it looked healthy and seemed worth the money to experiment one more time.
It's just a generic 'tree peony' tag. The stake in the pot just says 'Dark Pink'. I bought it because it was healthy and only $25. If I can keep it alive, I'll try some of the pricier name varieties next year.
I bought Blue Star dahlias from them. The pictures had been photoshopped to look blue. But if you read the text it says they are lavender. Of course I didn't read -- bad habit of mine. Gets them off the hook for pure misrepresentation. But they are a lovely lavender, dark on the top and light on the bottom (or vice versa - can't remember.)
Cathy, with our changes weather, warm to cool, the peonies are developing and opening very slowly.
And Cem, I'll be sending more pics, and little Lois when she she opens more fully and the sun comes over the bed. With a flash camera, the color isn't true. . And, wow, I didn't know that she has a scent! And it's wonderful. I walked past the bed and it wafted over me. And because of her color, I'm getting a lot of rubber necking from passers by, which is great.
I hope your DH is not too uncomfy. He's got's someone wonderful to look after him.
By the way, when Lois last bloomed it was on June 20! It is FIVE WEEKS ahead of schedule!
Burma Joy offered it's first flowers. Another one that was dug up, put in a pot, and then moved again. It's actually in a somewhat shady spot. In past years it has bloom anywhere from May 24th to June 9th. And previously, it was my earliest peony. Now it's Lois.
Seeing my "old" peonies in new locations is really exciting!
Like a proud parent, I am pleased to introduce our first herbaceous peony this year. I think it is Nymph. It must be a "preemie." While it was not the first to show pips, once it sprouted it took off in the warmth. It is under a huge, old shade tree. While I've never been able to figure out which are early, mid and late bloomers, I could not be more pleased. I think it was planted about 5 years ago. I was so certain it would not bloom until Memorial Day, but it must be in love with the warmth of the past few days. In other years May has been very warm, but they have NEVER bloomed this early. I'm sure her sisters will be opening soon. Generally the last to open are the doubles.
I am anticipating a bumper crop of large bushes and flowers this year judging by the huge stalks coming up on all my old peonies - well, planted before last fall. And all those planted last fall have sent up something so I breathed a sigh of relief there.
Mary, when do you expect blooms, sometime in June? I can always tell when the stalk contains a bud, just can't tell if the bud will mature. I can't wait to see your photos.. It is one thing to see photos of early bloomers in Texas, ours are typically end of May beginning of June and colder country makes the blooming time last for us all. Do you plant annuals as well?
While looking through old invoices for plants I bought in 2006-2010, I came across an invoice for this peony, which now has a name - "Do
Tell" - I bought bare root it in February, 2010 (a bag of three roots) and this is the first year it has bloomed. Since I have three of them in my border, I plan to move one to a new, sunny bed I'm just building.
Way to go, Mary! It's alway nice to be assured of the presence of them.
Almost all the peonies I moved have budded.
If I could talk about annuals around peonies, I have a few. I want plants that will bloom all season. Although it's seeds tend to stick to your clothes as you move around the yard (thereby distributing them) I love cynoglossum as a foil for peonies. It comes back every year, from it's own seeds.
Oh yes. I love them. they are huge and robust. I move things around so much that I have them coming up almost like weeds. lol. I have big ones like Conc d'Or and smaller ones like Bon Bini and Star Fighter. Pretty much some in each garden bed. I ordered a bunch last fall to assure I got what I wanted. Some sell out so fast. I counted my dahlias and I am up to 64 with some repeats. Really went nuts this year. Good thing the new bed is getting put in. I would like a combination of peonies, lilies, dahlias and even some iris with begonias along the front edge. Hope it works.
Any one going to the American Peony meeting and show in Omaha, Nebraska? I am planning on being there. The show is open to everyone on Saturday afternoon and Sunday. HPS is taking a bus to Omaha to tour several gardens and to view the show. I believe they will be there Sunday afternoon.
I hope to aquire some seeds while there????
My season is over except for one plant so I will not have any flowers to show. One of these days I hope to have some available at the right time.
The people I went with before haven't been in touch, so I won't be attending. I would be very curious about the Adelman's peonies, though. Several people who ordered them last year communicated to me that they had very poor results, and I realize in retrospect that I ordered three over the years that didn't appear. I wonder what the quality of their peonies will be this year. When I attended, they were outstanding.
Hope you're wrong Donna. I got 8 from them last fall. All have appeared above ground, more or less. It's difficult not to compare them to the monsters that have been in the ground for three years or more. I can hardly wait for MacKinac Grand. It has had single blooms the first two years but this year the stems are huge and many. Same for Lemon Chiffon. As long as the peonies from Adelman's grow and are healthy I will be content. I got Cora Louise from them a few years ago and it took three springs to become huge (last year) with many many blooms. But now it is just huge.
I certainly hope so. I may transplant a couple to the new garden out front so I can have a mix of dahlias, peonies, lilies etc. I hate to do it. Probably better off just ordering more. LOL. what an excuse...
I can't find a thread about tulips, so I figured if I couldn't rely on the advice you the guys here, well, who could I rely on. :)
I want to buy some really nice tulips. Can anyone recommend an online place that they have used and trust. Or do you think I might as well just go to Lowe's and get what they have.
I plant a lot of tulips and other bulbs that I have ordered from VanBourgondein for the last 18-20 years. I feel their quality and service are excellent and the prices seem reasonable to me. Their retail site is www.dutchbulbs.com or, if you're like me and plant large quantities, you can order from their wholesale site www.kvbwholesale.com.
Check Garden Watchdog on Van Bourgondien Dutch Bulbs. They seem to have picked up some really bad reviews in the last year. Perhaps, Leawood, you ordered bulbs from an earlier period. They filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in February.
129 positive reviews
66 neutral reviews
281 negative reviews, 25 of them in the last year.
I recommend John Scheepers as a source of relatively inexpensive and extremely high quality tulips. They are just as good as, say, Brent and Becky and a lot more affordable. I have ordered spectacular bulbs from them. They have a $35 minimum order but they also have an astounding selection of bulbs.
If you are ordering at least $50 woth got to Van Engelen. Same spectacular bulbs with just unbeleivable pricing.
Steve Fort Worth/Greenville swore by them He also had very good things to say about Easy to Grow Bulbs, another highly rated company.
I'm sure that's true, but I wouldn't recommend ordering from a company that entered chapter 11 in February. Did you look at the Garden Watchdog listing? Every review from March on, except one neutral, is negative. I'm sure they've been great in the past. I got terrific Crystal Blush callas from them. But I wouldn't encourage anyone to order form a company that is having the kinds of problems they are having. People are very explicit in their criticisms. These are amongst the worst reviews I've ever seen. Whatever they were, they no longer are.
Chapter 11 is reorganization. The company tries to renegotiate its debt. Sometimes companies go through more than one. Chapter 7 is asta la vista, baby - we are liquidating. Some companies handle chapter 11 better than others. But in this case the consumers are seriously affected.
You would think they would make it 7 for we are trying to get straightened out, then 11 for not going to make it. There was a bar in Fairbanks called Chapter 11 owned (oddly enough) by some lawyers. Great place. Kind of upscale. and Long gone.
I just confirmed an order for another 5 peonies from Hidden Springs. I thought I had only ordered Prairie Afire but for got I had also ordered Athena and Early Scout. Good thing I have two new beds going in or I would be putting them in pots floating in the pond. lol
I see you are in Anchorage. I no longer buy tulip bulbs, but when I did, Costco had great varieties. Alas, as with all Costco bulbs, the best (prettiest and most unusual) go first. I wonder if that would work for you. When I know it is time, I go frequently to try to get them when they first come in. Around here I start looking end of August for fall bulbs and end of January for spring bulbs. I would check with the Costcos near you to see if that is an option. The price is always right.
I don't plant tulip bulbs any more, but many still come up. I am accustomed to buds with bite marks and worse, so what comes, comes. I would not mind it if the deer would eat the daffodils. A few years back I planted "Angelique" tulips. A smaller plant, a bloom that looks more like a peony. Each year few come up, and they seem to get smaller, or it might be my imagination.
Mary, you might want to check the bulbs forum, but I love seeing you here.
thanks Marcia. You are right. I hadn't thought of Costco. And I think they have healthier fresher bulbs than Lowe's or Home Depot (whom I suspect of holding over such stuff year to year). I will also try the bulb forum. I looked for a tulip forum but there isn't one.
Marcia, a word about tulips, years ago I read that it takes about 4 years from bulblet to bloom size. What happens according to a speaker I heard many years ago, When you purchase blooming size bulbs they bloom nicely for perhaps two years. They then start dividing and growing new bulbs. As the bulbs grow they take nurishment from the main bulb. After a time the new bulbs will start blooming. The first years are a reverse. First years will produce small flowers and with age the flowers will increase in size until they reach their peak. They then repeat the process. For some this takes a year or two others longer.
The speaker suggested that you plant deeper than suggested and add fertilizer each year after they bloomed then in the fall.
I have purple and white tulips that have been in the ground for at least 15 years and still go through the cycle. Probably if I dug them I could have more bulbs but too lazy and busy in the fall.
I ordered Athena just ahead of Hidden Springs closing the door on her with a sold out sign. Mine are all up, some quite big. Mackinac Grand, Lemon Chiffon and Julia Rose will have the most and largest flowers looking at the stems and buds. but it will (should) be the end of June at the earliest for flowers to open.
Ah3815, thank you. That answers a lot of questions. Sometimes I am surprised that tulips bloom faithfully after this long time.
Rosemary, the tree peonies are gorgeous and so are the herbaceous peonies. Are all the herbaceous peonies from this year?
I remember choosing my wedding gown more than 30 years ago. It was so beautiful and just what I wanted. I described it to my best friends. When I went back for fitting a few months later, the gown was nothing the way I had described it. Still beautiful, but most of the details I had recalled were wrong. So it is with peonies. I had forgotten how beautiful they were until this morning. With the warm weather upon us, I do believe the double peonies will open soon as well.
Hi again. yes, the herbacious ones are in bloom now, except tiny Athena just finished, and the pink TP finished a few days ago. A few more opened today, and the "white garden" is mostly in bud, only, as well as in weeds that are taunting me.There are tiny blooms on most of the new ones or the ones I moved, but that way i can see if I like the color, so pics later. Several of my "established" peonies such as M. Jules Elie and Sarah Bernhardt are actually three years old. Majority of the others are new this year, and a bunch are two years old.
Rosemary, do you still have peonies in bloom? Last night's rain took out a bunch of our, but we are fortunate that there are still more to come. What is it with peonies and rain! And how could something so beautiful on a stem look so sad on the ground?
Most of the peonies have buds or blooms, some for the first time ever. I don't know about the Itoh purchased this February if I should expect it to bloom this year, but am starting to doubt it.
I laughed to myself when you mentioned the "white garden." In the spring before the peonies and lilies, that garden becomes the blue garden, then the purple garden. Not planned by us; planned by Mother Nature I guess. Blues from the Muscari, reticulated iris and I guess Squill. Purple/lavender from the Allium, wood hyacinths and Lunaria.
My peonies, having been moves, or new, are small. My White Cap, which in the year after I planted it in the ground, produced one bloom, produced one large bloom when I put it in the ground. This year, it has about ten flowers, but they are small. I put lots of lilies around them this year, to get a pop. It's funny how much more easily lilies return to form.
I am please d that every peony I moved bloomed, except that my new Festiva Maxima, which did not bloom in the ground or in a pot, is probably not going to bloom. But Lady Alexandra Duff, torn up roots and all, produced a flower.
Fortunately here the peonies are still going, but in a transition to the next bloom period. I'll post later and you'll see why the wind and rain aren't overly serious here. The spent ones do get washed away though. Not that I wouldn't prefer them to last forever!
Cathy166, what is the last peony pictured above? I love that lavender color and don't think I have anything like it! Finally getting into bloom time here in Vermont but with all the rain we have had I am way behind on getting the gardens in shape.. We do what we can. I think three of the peonies I got from literally chopping up two plants last fall will bloom. Most of the 14 plantlings I created mad buds but, of course, they just blasted. Here is my first bloom of this year. It is the Russian Red Charm that always blooms first. It came from Russia as a seed, was supposed to be red Charm, but is a pretty bloom in any event. Expecting Paula to open tomorrow.
Here are a few more from last week. Rain today has them sagging. First one, lost it's label. Either Humei or Dr. Alex Flemming? I forgot, but maybe someone else knows. We got a huge bush in just one year.
Here's my hill that is somewhat protected from anything but the heavy downpour we had this weekend. Pics are from last week, with Green Lotus and Do Tell starting to fade in first shot. Then you can see the pinks in the second as they were just starting.
Thank you Donna. Last year's Nick Shaylor was much more of a white with red edges on the petals. I love variety in that it doesn't branch or have side buds--all the effort went into one glorious blossom. This year, the fragrance on the Douchesse de nemours and Eden's Temptation, all planted in the same row at the same time, got my attention. FM, which I know you love, didn't do well this year.
Thanks for the complements, Donna. I am still looking for plant combination for the white garden. So far, white and pink allium, rhubarb, money plant and Lambs ears, for once the bulbs fade.
I wonder if Bowl of Beauty is what my Elsa Sass impersonator is also. The other one i suspect is a faded Color Magnet. My verified Bowl of Beauty is a little more pink, but it also has a little more shade.
What about feverfew Tetra Strain aka Virgo, white borage, and a little rose, like the polyantha Marie Pavie, which blooms from April into December if it's mild? The feverfew and borage bloom all season, and as a bonus, come back the following year. Double feverfew is actually hardy here. Plant it once, and that's it!
I grew Madame Hardy, a once blooming rose, and surrounded it with all of the above, plus lilium Chystal Blanca.
Pic. 1 Feverfew Tetra Srain (Virgo ) in bud.
Pic 2. Massed.
Pic. 3 With Madame Hardy
Pic. 4 With white borage and the stems of Crystal Blanca.
It's easy to control. It's not taprooted at all. I just pull it up if I don't want it there. And it comes up in clumps. Harder to control are plants I love like verbena bonariensis, which is a delight but removing the extras is a matter of pulling up a billion single stems. This forms plants. When you pull one plant up, you are in fact removing dozens of flowers at a time. The pic on the right is 3 plants. And it doesn't dislodge other plants. I love nicotiana alata, but the roots are so big that they can dislodge other plants when you pull them up..
And it goes with everything, and is extremely drought tolerant. And unlike nicotiana, or four o'clocks (another favorite) it is open during the day.
Cem, those are beautiful. The tree peony is outstanding.
When we moved to this house in 2005, there were 3 tree peonies and about 8 double peonies. I filled in, mostly from Costco, with about another 20 or so non-doubles and recently another tp. The Costco roots had about one to 2 eyes and took four years to really take off. The first Bowl of Beauty purchased (in a pot for a lot more $$) is going to be dug up shortly as it has never bloomed where it is, and it was planted by a landscaper. While it is with the original double peonies, I'm guessing it needs more sun and is probably too deep, but I don't know for certain. I purchased an intersectional this year, but the bed has other peonies in it as well as a lot of tall growth from lilies and mondarda
I know you mentioned earlier that you purchased new peonies this year, and I caution you not to be discouraged if you don't see a bloom for a year or two. Even then the buds might not mature and bloom. I also had others that grew nicely but did not bloom, so about 18 months ago we dug them up as they were too deep. I was amazed at the size of the woody roots. When moved to a sunnier site, they came to life.
I have always gardened, but I have learned so much from DG, Mother Nature and life experiences.
Too much rain then a very busy weekend at the Inn but the Northern Peonies have finally arrived. Each day a couple more open, some only to beheaded so the fragrance can come inside! Here are a few from today: Buckeye Belle, Show Girl and Kay Tischler, all from pots last year, and Burma Ruby & Cameo Lullaby, both bare roots from Klehm's last Fall. The Burma Ruby is just spectacular, the redist red ever and I love the way the Cameo Lullaby changes color as it opens. Very happy with Klehm's.
Ohhh! Love them all. Cameo lullaby is a new one to me, and very unique. Mine from Klehms have been pretty reliable too. If its one they developed anyway, I just assume buy it from them. I bought from several places this year, and there was no pattern for which ones didn't come up.
Cem, The group of three are so called "rock garden" peonies including Memorial Gem, Squirt, and Easy Going. The group of four are the herbaceous ones, Over Easy, Burma Ruby, Cameo Lullaby, and White Cap. It looks like those four will bloom this year. The others are the first rock garden type peonies I have. They are lovely looking plants but won't bloom this year. I will wait til next year before thinking about whether they are too deep or somesuch.
Boy those are skookum tubers. I lost Nosegay. I should have dug it up weeks ago. It rotted. Soil was too hummusy and I watered too much. Crapdoodle. I have 7 more coming this fall so maybe will just let it go. It WOULD be one of the more expensive ones. :( Red Charm is jusssstttttt about ready to burst open. My Itoh's are running a lot slower than last year. Julia Rose bloomed concurrently with Red Charm last year but not even close this year. Oh, and my ferny guy is way tall with lots more stems and buds.
How wonderful to see all the northern peonies blooming. My last peonies bloomed about a month ago. This was one of the new peony "beds" that I put in last year - beds being in quotes because I am not sure if 5 peonies constitute a bed LoL
Here are some of the plants blooming late April/early May in that bed -
Red charm in foreground, Festiva maxima in the back, with an unopened Bowl of Beauty to the left.
Everyday we get a couple more. Looking atr my records I would say they are about a week early compared with past year.
Here are a couple that are new, planted from pots last spring. Coral Supreme and Coral & Gold. An old friend, Paula Fay and one of my favorite, Martha W who is very prolific. Also random shot of the peony patch:-)
I've seen them heavily established in areas of Minnesota. Duluth, which I have visited several times, comes to mind. They can get pretty relentless. In my part of the midwest they are difficult to grow, and the baptisia trend here started partially as a substitute for lupines.
Mary - in response to your invasiveness comment on lupines - I have been trying for years to grow them - no luck. I finally have a few plants that is still alive now that I started from seed, and may bloom this year. Now Japanese anenomes - they get into everything in my garden...
Lupines are not very prominent in my region. It took several years for the seeds I sowed to produce just a few plants in my garden. Looks from the amount of seed pods that I have plenty more now if I don't cut the seed pods off.
Ha! I find the discussion of lupines as 'invasive' quite interesting. I've tried them several times and finally gave up after reading an article that said lupines won't grow in Kansas. I think it's our high overnight temperatures that does them in.
In Duluth you see them on hillsides, on the sides of roads, and in wild places by the hundreds. Aptly described as invasive there, but beautiful to outsiders (and perhaps to them as well). It'so cool there that lilacs bloom in July! They also like very well drained soil, and a lot of midwesterners have somewhat clayey soil.
Interesting. Maybe they need cool weather. I can't grow Japanese Anemones just Sylvestris that is on the edge of invasive as it seems to sends tendrils everywhere. But easily pulled up. Could probably get rid of it all in one or two seasons. I thought about growing lupines in a container but the seeds would probably get away from me even if I tried to deadhead religiously. Sorry to get off topic but was curious about your experience with lupines. I have two Baptisia 'Blue Smoke" bushes, but no small plants.
I posted my condolences on the Memorial Threat for Carol (FancyVan) but I have had some issues trying to post to this thread.
It seems that all the peonies wanted to bloom at the same time this year. Here are some from the past week. Here for DonnaMack. It is one that I hacked apart last fall. Four of them bloomed!! White Cap is one I learned about on this forum and put in bareroot last fall.
I keep asking myself what is so special about Lemon Chiffon. As more and more make it to the market and growers can start growing their own (hmmmm. I wonder if that is legal yet. Is Lemon Chiffon still, uh, 'copywrited' so to speak/) it is coming down in price. But back to what makes it so interesting. I was looking at it from my bedroom window and remembered a description I read a long time ago. That looking at it from across a field ----- it seems to glow. And by gosh, that is true.
I think, realistically Mary, that you can feel comfortable propagating it for yourself, and perhaps friends. Not sure it's legal, but it certainly practical. What is probably risky, and you wouldn't do it, is to advertise it on Ebay or even a swap site.
It really is stunning. I have never been particularly interested in intersectionals. Just my eye, but Bart didn't do much for me. But Lemon Chiffon! I'm not even a "yellow" person, and I am looking around for a seller.
I have never split them, and some of them were enormous. My house with the killer peonies is under contract, but I only dug up two of my more mature ones - Lady Alexandra Duff and a Kansas, in for YEARS, that had never bloomed properly. I did feed them well with low nitrogen fertilizer, and I keep them watered.
I dug up all the peonies Steve gave me - they had only been in 2-3 years. Lois completely rocked out and bloomed better than ever. Burma Joy returned to her former splendor. White Cap too. But most of them took a step back. Well, if I'd been dug out of the ground, shoved into a pot, stored in a garage for the winter and then replanted I'd pout too!
Lois, in the first pic, had never formed more than one flower, and they were pale. She blew me away. I nestled her in the midst of some salvia ssp tesquicola I had grown from seed.
Oberon, I believe if you dig carefully into a fairly young peony it is possible to find a root to cut off without disturbing the whole plant. I've divided my 20 yo peony by digging it up and replanting. Best to retain at least 3 eyes on a piece, same as the sellers do.
Okay. thanks Rosemary. I was thinking of trying what you suggested and just expose part of a root. It has only been in this spot two years. I have two of them. One out back of the house that comes out of the snow a full two to three weeks before I dig the other out which is where the snow from the driveway gets thrown, although in full sun other than that. The one out back bloomed a week ago. The one out front has buds but not close to popping yet. Interesting that the snow cover delays them so long here in the same state.
Sort of. it is an intersectional but not a rockii. Huge difference in price. Mine being much less expensive. I have really steered toward the simple form of flower. In fact Red Charm is probably the only one I have that is a full ball or double I guess you would call it. Roselette only had one little flower so I guess she will take the full three years to start to take off. Bride's Dream, Sunset Charm should go next. According to the 7 weeks theory.
Last year i bought a little Rockii for $39 at Eidelweis Nursery through DG. it's tiny, but i can say i have a pure Rockii. The story about how they were saved from the Monastery by Joseph Rock is just too interesting. I don't know the actual parentage of Cora Louise, but i was wondering if there was some Rockii in it too.
Tree peony hybrids with Paeonia rockii as one parent are called Rockii-hybrids. In China there are several cultivar groups of these hybrids, called Gansu Mudan and Zhongyuan Mudan, or North-West Chinese cultivar group. The European-grown Suffruticosa Group (Paeonia × suffruticosa) also belongs here.
So the rockii are all tree peonies. Since Cora Louise is an Itoh (intersectional) I guess it could be possible that one of the parents was a rockii. Will keep looking
Oh yes. Cora Louise and Julia Rose started a week ago. Coral Sunset opened yesterday. I planted some new ones last year that will open late but will still have at least one bloom. They usually last til around the middle of August. I have tried to get some from each week 1-7. I have four more coming this fall and that should finish it. I have no more room appropriate to peonies.
I always loved the idea of having blooms each week. I was lucky enough to get some earlies (Burma Ruby and Lois,) I think it's fun to have something forever going on, but if I had the room, I think I'd grow three of each one I wanted, to get that color explosion.