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KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

May 3, 2012
4:18 PM

Post #9109176

OK, Jeanette, you're up next! :-)
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 3, 2012
10:12 PM

Post #9109623

:0) Here I am!! Jeanette
catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 4, 2012
5:09 AM

Post #9109766

Just so I don't get lost again...
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 4, 2012
7:45 AM

Post #9109983

Me too .
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

May 4, 2012
1:34 PM

Post #9110404

Hey J . I decided to let you go first, no sense upsetting the apple cart, right?
I visited early but waited.
My tomato starts are about ready, but I still have to make my lids for the tubs for my trashcan garden. These darn headaches are hard to work around. But I'm trying to get a handle on them so they don't keep me out of the garden.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 4, 2012
3:47 PM

Post #9110568

Headaches ? Russ ! I can't handle those . How are you and Barb doing ? Have you seen the DR. about the headaches ?
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 4, 2012
4:12 PM

Post #9110638

You are a gentleman Russ. Thank you. LOL you're silly. Don't wait for me!!

Digger is sooooo right Russ. Get your butt to the dr. and find out what is going on. How is Barb's eyesight doing? Is there anything she can do to slow it down?

I still don't have any of the stuff I need other than the seeds, for the trash can cukes. I do have the seeds. Oh, and the trash can. Have to get the right fertilizer, nutrients.



randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

May 4, 2012
7:40 PM

Post #9110917

Yes been to Dr. reffered to specialist. also getting lined up for sleep study. Still taking antibiotics for sinus infection. Went to the hospital the other evening, intending on getting a hypo or something to relieve the pain. but thankfully it had slacked off by the time we got there. Decided to see the Dr. anyway since we made the trip. She did come up with some conclusion that they could be Cluster Headaches, an there is meds that can possibly ease them somewhat.


The shots tend to slow the MD. but Barb don't feel she should drive in the city anymore, as she has lost too much to identify some objects until really close. and forget reading signs altho she does recognize their shapes.
I don't have my cuke seeds yet but I have plenty tomato plants. No S/P slips yet guess I'll have to order some, as I only have two tubers that are trying but they aren't making it.
I have a row of regular potatoes in. That should be enough work digging them up this fall.
I've been harvesting rhubarb and getting fat on crisp and pies.
Digger did you rhubarb continue to grow this year? Or just give up.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 5, 2012
5:40 AM

Post #9111222

It comes back every year but doesn't get any bigger . It will go away in another month , then come back next spring .Oh well , that's why God give us grocery stores . ( If they carried it in this area )
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

May 5, 2012
5:06 PM

Post #9111871

Russ: read this in the People's Pharmacy awhile back and thought about you when you mentioned your headaches.

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2012/04/25/brain-freeze-migraine-remedy/
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

May 5, 2012
6:02 PM

Post #9111953

Thanks Kent; It won't hurt to try that. Only thing is I know that these are not migraines. I have had many of those and a cold wash cloth on the back of the neck helped a little with those, kind of depended on how soon I could get some asprin down or how sick I got first.
These are always in the same spot and it feels like a hot railroad spike in my head, and it intensifies from there. Barb and I were in town today and one hit. I downed two asprin and and a clerk who claimed to be an Aid said to drink a coke. She was explaining about the caffiene in the coke helps. Well I did it but I still had to get to a point where there was little or no traffic and have Barb drive home. With her macular problem she won't drive in the city. At the time I would have been a worse choice to drive that distance. I know she didn't go over 50. But about 3 hours later I am feeling better. I used an ice pac on my neck and laid down with a fan on me. I'm still not 100% but it's bearable.
That could be a good excuse for a dish of ice cream though. lol
Russ
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 5, 2012
10:19 PM

Post #9112199

Russ, they have me taking the Preservision vitamins (without fail) but not sure if it is because of the interocular surgery, or because of my MD. But they did specify no vitamin A. Bauch and Lome produces both. with and without.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 6, 2012
8:46 AM

Post #9112573

I am not trying to be funny , far from it , but years ago , my Dr told me I could live with migraines that sent me to the emergency room , and always started on Friday , or I could divorce them . After another year of suffering from them , I divorced him . Stress can trigger them and I wish I'd known about the ice cream then .Short of a bullet in the head , nothing relieved the pain . They were always on the right side of my head , from the temple straight up to the center of my skull , and with each heartbeat , the pain was there .
Russ , maybe you have sinus or stress , whatever , just hope you find the ice cream works for you . God bless .
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

May 6, 2012
3:13 PM

Post #9112942

Hey; I'll try ice cream weather it works or not. lol
I can understand that kind of headache too. My sister in law has been divorced for many years now. He to went to truck driving. even brought something home to her; Not Appreciated.
No These headaches really get in the way with everyday things. Heat and weather contribute to them too but I don't plan to move to Alaska ha ha
Part of the problem may be a sinus infection but I'm not sure. Dr. says I have that and am treating it, or have been for a little over a month now. What really bothers me is I don't dare go off very long which interferes with fishing, haven't gone out picking up cans for a little over a month now either. Mowed the lawn yesterday before going to town to get meds. had to have Barb to drive home and it was a doozzy. Keep me in your prayers and I'm sure I will find an end to the really nasty ones.
Was going to make lids this afternoon for those tubs but decided to work on a fence for about half hour, and decided that was enough.
I've got a row of potatoes showing pretty good leaves almost getting bushy.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 6, 2012
9:50 PM

Post #9113418

Russ, if it is any consolation, even with your headaches you are getting more done than I am.

I am just waiting on the weather to move on with my planting. It will still be a couple of weeks. Think I will get some remay just in case when I do put things outside.

Sure am sorry about the headaches. That has got to be a rip. I have a friend that had them for years and I am not sure if she still has them or not. I will email her and ask, and if not I will ask her what she did for them and let you know.

I have a feeling it is stress. She was a bank teller and would you believe she was held up 3 times??? Yup, sounds suspicious doesn't it? But, nope, the feds couldn't find it was her fault. Maybe that was her headaches? Then she met a good guy and got married. LOL, will let you know.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 7, 2012
6:25 AM

Post #9113739

Mine was a controlling guy . I never did anything right . I can look back now and see it , because I was so young when I married , I didn't know any better . Boy , no one can say I'm a wimp now , he was a good teacher about what not to put up with Anything , from Anyone that tries to control me . That's why I went into my own business , can't take orders from a (boss) . Much more mellow now , all things come with age and experience .
I probably shouldn't send this , but will anyway .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 7, 2012
9:44 AM

Post #9114012

Why not Sally? That's life. Everyone learns something right or wrong.

Well, the weather looks great today so am finally going to get outside to work in the yard. It has been raining every day or too cold. Got about 2 or 3 weeks yet before I can plant my tomatoes. Then will get some Remay to use. I lost my tomatoes last year the night I put them out, they froze and I had dto go buy more.

JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

May 15, 2012
2:14 PM

Post #9125073

Hello Everyone! My internet has been down for a month or so with a few minutes on here & there so I have reading to catch up on I'm sure... My SBG is doing pretty good so far (planted last week) but something is eating the leaves off my pepper plants and I now have tiny red bugs everywhere.. looks like little red spiders???...Tomatoes doing great, have green beans coming up.. squash is good except for the 2 the squirrels sat on while eating their lunch... Giving grass a haircut now & then and mushrooms popping up all around with all the rain we've had recently.. ANy idea on what to do about the bugs or what is eating the leaves off my pepper plants? leaves are just laying there.. Will post pics soon..
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

May 17, 2012
9:19 AM

Post #9127196

This my SBG now.. On the left - green beans, peppers at the very end. Middle - Zucchini & yellow squash. On the right - tomatoes with cucumbers in the front. Broke down and sprinkled 7dust today.. something was eating the leaves off my pepper plants...

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 17, 2012
9:40 AM

Post #9127219

Nice !
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 17, 2012
5:33 PM

Post #9127705

Lookin' good.
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

May 18, 2012
6:29 AM

Post #9128191

And I see what you mean by all the mushrooms! I've never seen so many in all my life! LOL!! And so many different kinds...
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 18, 2012
9:35 AM

Post #9128490

Really!! I only got one kind. Wonder what and why you are getting so many.
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

May 18, 2012
2:55 PM

Post #9128806

JaxGma: your garden looks good.

You may have to buy some lady bugs to help with the "bad" bug population. I don't use Sevin dust/spray any more. Google "spider mites" for suggestions.

Kent
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

May 20, 2012
7:30 PM

Post #9131228

Hi!
Newbie here... Just found this site and love the threads! We (mainly me) have been gardening traditionally for many years. I garden as a small business, selling veggies and seed. 2 years ago we started experimenting with other ways to garden, and I want to try this. I'm going to use SBG for a few fall/winter plants this year. We also have a small aquaponics system (like hydro, but no chemicals) and as we can, we are implementing containers into our growing space (I hate the weeds!).
Thanks for all the info and ideas!
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 20, 2012
8:32 PM

Post #9131294

Hey jinxi, what do you mean you do hydroponics (aquaponics) with no chemicals. What feeds the plants, and what kind of plants do you grow that way? What kind of containers do you have them in? I am really interested in this.
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

May 21, 2012
8:38 AM

Post #9131844

@ Jnette, I grow tomatoes, peppers, lettuce, cukes, just about anything... here is a couple of pics, one grow bed with my 9yr old grandson, beside my tomatoes that wintered over with the system offline and no heat. The other is leaf lettuce and spinach that I sowed in about 6 wks ago. The spinach quickly went to seed, because the water warmed up so fast. We have had almost no real winter this past yr and then several frosts after planting the tomatoes and peppers.

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jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

May 21, 2012
10:27 AM

Post #9132010

@ Jnette, What feeds the plants is worms in the beds. What feeds the worms is a fish tank recycling the water thru. I have brim, perch, and bait fish, so I have a few fresh veggies and fish to eat year round. We use 250 gal recycled water totes, cut in half to make 2 grow beds. We are going to try trout this winter. Added a couple more pics. One is the same tomatoes (overwintered) taken 3/3/12. The second shows more of the grow beds. I was using them to harden off my 270 tomato and 210 pepper plants. The rest are of my partially finished "container" garden. My husband left to go back overseas (working in Afghanistan) before we could get all the containers in.

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 21, 2012
3:30 PM

Post #9132407

Sounds like you have a lot of work there lady. And a good setup. Fish too!! Good for you.
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

May 22, 2012
7:53 PM

Post #9134444

Sounds great, I already have some real pooppers, Koi and the pond has mostly been let go so should have plenty of nutrients for some plants to clean up. I read something like that before but I never got it together. Having some health issues at present so not sure if I can get it working right away, but sounds very good. For now just watching.My water lilies do well in the pond so why not tomatoes and cucumbers.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 22, 2012
8:24 PM

Post #9134495

Betcha it would be great!! Try it! Then post those pictures of the huge produce you will be selling at Gary's. LOL
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 23, 2012
4:12 AM

Post #9134674

Water from the pond is great for plants .
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

May 26, 2012
1:54 PM

Post #9139545

Today I finally got to meet another DG'er - Horseshoe Griffin, whose Moondance Farms is located just outside historic Hillsborough, NC.

With such a beautiful day, I decided to jump on the Hog and see if I could catch Shoe at home.

Luckily, he had just gotten back from selling at the local farmers market in Hillsborough where he is a local icon.

I have been "talking" with Shoe for several years now on DG and it was a pleasure to finally meet him in person. His beautiful daughter volunteered to take a few pics.

We swapped a few plants and I got a short tour of the farm.

Hey, Shoe, now that I know how to get there, I hope to see you again, soon!

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 26, 2012
3:32 PM

Post #9139650

I wondered what he looked like .Looks like a busy man . Good picture of you both . One good looking bike too .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 26, 2012
7:34 PM

Post #9139909

Great picture. Shoe is such a lot of help to us all. He actually got me tomatoes last year!! Best tomatoes I have ever grown here.

Good pix of both of you. Looks like a beautiful day for a ride too.
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

May 27, 2012
7:29 AM

Post #9140303

Hello everyone!
I just got home from a week in the mountains to yellowing leaves on my squash. I picked one and squished down the limb but no sign of bacteria infection.. no bugs that I can see.. nitrogen deficiency?

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catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

May 27, 2012
8:40 AM

Post #9140373

Boy, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for THAT meeting! Two of my favorite gurus in one place...

Oh, the things I could learn :)
Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

May 28, 2012
7:45 AM

Post #9141596

Mornin', Folks!

What an out-of-the-blue surprise that visit was! And po' Kent was nearly scared to death when he arrived, not sure if he was at the right place, out in the country and expecting 50 wild dogs to come attacking followed by someone with a shotgun in hand! Hah! He was telling me and DD he parked his bike next to a particular tree so he could shimmy up it if needed! :>)

I heard a noise in the main driveway and went to check it out. At first all I saw was a beautiful Harley, some guy in jeans and black t-shirt with a doorag on his head, then saw a few potted plants on the ground by the Harley. Seeing those plants I knew "this guy's okay". Then he sees me and shouts his name and I KNEW all was fine!

Ya'll will be blessed when/if you ever meet Kent in person, you won't meet a nicer guy!
Although I was running on low energy level at the time (due to a late night Friday getting ready for mkt followed by entirely too early of a day Saturday and hours of "extroverting" with customers) within minutes of talking to him I was revived and wondering why he couldn't stay longer. I think he just wanted to ride that purty Harley some more!

Next time he'll need to put some bigger saddlebags on the bike so he can take home more plants.

Thanks, Kent, for the pepper plants you brought. I've cleaned out two more raised beds since you were here so just might get them planted before the day is over!

Howdy digger, Jnette(!), catmad! So this is where all the cool folks hang out, eh? :>)

Jax---regarding your yellowing leaves, if those are the lower most leaves they are most likely the cotyledons and will yellow by nature and no worries. The rest of your leaves look nice and green so unless you see squash bugs I think your plant will be fine. A little fish emulsion is a kindness to your plants though, kinda like chicken soup for a human, "it couldn't hurt!"

Happy Memorial Day to all!
Shoe


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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 28, 2012
11:00 AM

Post #9141914

Come back and visit ,often . From what I've read on other threads , you can give us some mighty good direction on our "stuff". You , Kent , and Doug have so much to offer as have so many others on this forum and thread
ilndmon
South Eastern, NC
(Zone 8a)

May 28, 2012
12:56 PM

Post #9142045

Well it has been a while but I stated back in April I would post updates to my first attempt at strawbale and container gardening. Attached are the first pic I posted in April and a pic I took about a week ago. Things are progressing nicely and I am happy so far with the results.

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 28, 2012
3:11 PM

Post #9142207

That looks GOOD !
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 28, 2012
8:26 PM

Post #9142572

Shoe, you be careful of those pepper plants Kent is peddling. They are real special. I mean Be Careful!!!

Isn't that right Kent?

Don't mean to intrude on a nice visit, sounds like you all had a good time together. How far a ride was it Kent? Did the Harley eat up the highway? They are having a lot of trouble around hear. Hitting animals like deer, elk, moose, etc. Makes for a real bad accident. I don't think the riders are expecting them and wham!!

Glad you made the trip before this weekend tho. Lotsa people on the roads.
Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

May 29, 2012
12:25 PM

Post #9143523

Heheheh, yeh, I KNOW what kinda peppers those are, Jnette. The kind you could use for chemical warfare! HOT!!

As for me, I normally can handle peppers up to the heat of a jalapeno or cayenne; have had some Habanero jam before and it was fairly nice though. But these super hot ones, I'll have to experiment with and see how they do. After all, what's the worst that could happen...end up with my lips burnt off, my innards on fire, , etc? *grin

Wishing you some good tomatoes this year! Planted yet?

Shoe
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

May 29, 2012
4:30 PM

Post #9143883

Thanks Horseshoe!! I was worried so I bought the fish fertilizer for a lil extra love.. :-)

ilndmon, looks good!! I never thought of wrapping the bales.. I have to give mine a "haircut" now & then as Kent says.. Looks like you're in for some rain!
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

May 29, 2012
7:54 PM

Post #9144183

I unwrapped my bales (black plastic) and they were bone dry!! I was shocked 'cause they were rain soaked when I put the plastic on. They were really decomposed tho. I just today got a compost thermometer in the mail I ordered online and am anxious to try it. It is about 18 inches long. So should reach down into the center of the bails. Tomorrow.

But, I don't know whether to water the bales that would cool them off, with the hose, or plant the tomatoes and just water them with a panfull of warm water. Oh well, Shoe, I am getting ready to plant my tomatoes, hopefully tomorrow. Using the alfalfa bales from last year.

digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 30, 2012
4:15 AM

Post #9144411

Jnette , I watered mine with well water that was pumped from 200' down the well , very cool and it may have cooled them some . No difference tho, it seemed to perk them up a bit . I think as long as the plants get the warming sunshine , the roots stay cool anyway .Maybe someone else has a different thought about it .
ilndmon
South Eastern, NC
(Zone 8a)

May 30, 2012
8:04 AM

Post #9144683

Thanks for the positive response digger9083 and JaxGma. I have been picking cucumbers now for about a week. Lots of small bell peppers but I haven't picked any yet and I should have some ripe tomatoes in a few days. The biggest problem I am having is Tobacco Horn Worms and there eggs. They are some pesky devils. I pick them off daily. I have been able to keep up with them fairly well. Most of the worms are small when I find them. I enjoy bug picking time it is relaxing and helps me clear my mind. Take care all.

postmandug

postmandug
Bardstown, KY
(Zone 6a)

May 30, 2012
12:21 PM

Post #9145033

Shoe, you got to meet a good man there!! Cheryl and I stopped to see him on our way to the OBX. Sorry we didn't have time to stop and see you too. When we came back thru Efland it was later in the day than I'd planned and I knew you had activities to attend to so I didn't even call. Next time buddy. (and I want some good ole Carolina BBQ when I do stop!)

Doug
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

May 31, 2012
11:41 AM

Post #9146314

Have a few blooms on the tomato plants even tho they are so small yet and many blooms on the squash! I planted about 3 weeks ago and I think so far so good.. :-)

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Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

May 31, 2012
4:40 PM

Post #9146741

Jnette, I doubt the water temp will slow down your tomato and/or bale growing. Bummer your bales were so dried out though. I think I'd go ahead and drench them. Are they still in your g-house again this year? If so I bet they'd be just fine.

ilndmon, hornworms don't lay eggs, only the adult moths do. If they get too overwhelming for you to pick (harvest? hornworm harvest!? *grin) you'd do well with dusting the the plants with Dipel, a very safe product to use in the garden and won't harm other beneficials including humans and birds, etc.

Howdy Doug! I wondered about your vacation. I just thought ya'll were in a hurry to get to Boone/Mountains. As an aside, I wasn't here on your way back anyway, having had to make an emergency trip to Florida. Maybe next time will be more fruitful...OR I can swing up your way and WILL BRING Carolina bbq fixings! Maybe Kent will tag along behind on his bike!

Jax...NICE looking garden! Wishing you a great harvest!

Shoe (off to cook some grub.)
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

May 31, 2012
5:17 PM

Post #9146799

You cook TOO ?
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

May 31, 2012
7:15 PM

Post #9146997

Hey, folks, shift work, garden chores, teenager's exam week, honey-dos, church, etc playing havoc with my computer time so no time to really get on and converse.

Will catch up soon.

Hey, Doug, I'll meet you at Shoe's place next time!! :-)
Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

May 31, 2012
7:48 PM

Post #9147032

"Hey, Doug, I'll meet you at Shoe's place next time!! :-)"

It's a deal!

"You cook too?"

Yep, digger, I love to cook. I grow it, I harvest it, I cook it! Will probably be picking green beans in the next day or so...sowed them when we had "summer" this past spring! Yay!

Nice rain just started coming down here...gonna do wonders for the pole beans and Kandy Korn that just popped up! Again, Yayyy! :>)

Happy Day, all!
Shoe
ilndmon
South Eastern, NC
(Zone 8a)

May 31, 2012
8:22 PM

Post #9147068

Thanks for the heads up Horseshoe. Now that you mention it, that does look like I am talking about hornworm eggs. lol . I meant the moth eggs...really...:)
I will check out the Dipel. I have been using Neem oil extract and it seems to have helped with the fungus flies but it has rained ( not complaining ) after every application so I really don't know how well it works on the hornworms. I find a yellow striped army worm occasionally but that is about it for pests. Very lucky so far.

Nice setup you have there JaxGma. Even with the landscape cloth I have my bales wrapped in I have to water once a day. I was hoping wrapping them would help them retain water. I will probably have to water more frequently when it gets really hot. We haven't hit 90 degrees here yet.

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Horseshoe
Efland, NC
(Zone 7a)

May 31, 2012
9:00 PM

Post #9147111

ilndmon, Neem is much slower going than Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis), which is the active ingredient in Dipel (powder form) or Thuricide (liquid form of Bt). It will only have an affect on caterpillars (at least those two products will) and it acts much more quickly than Neem. The only negative about it would be if you are in an area that has a decline in Swallowtail populations, then I'd be sure to use it sparingly and the Swallowtail butterfly has suffered greatly from human intervention.

Shoe (off to put his feet up a while. ...)
catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

June 1, 2012
4:47 AM

Post #9147268

Now that Shoe's brought it up, I've got a Bt question. My summer squashes have just started to grow. Every year I have trouble with squash vine borers, and I'm tired of it. It's always been worse in my inground plants, but the Bale Babies suffer as well. I read somewhere that you can inject the stems with Bt as a preventative. Has anyone tried that? I was considering wrapping in foil, but maybe both? I do love my squashies :)
Would that spare the "good" caterpillars? The ones NOT eating my squash?
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 1, 2012
2:26 PM

Post #9148020

Will strawbale gardening eliminate the chance of wilt?

I have wilt! I have removed 4 plants so far this year. I'm not sure what wilt I have, but it looks like wilt to me. I have never had wilt before and I've planted (in the ground) here for the last 5 years. Everything I've read points to the wet cool days we've had. I grow my plants from seeds, using sterile potting mix, so I know it's not from that.

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 2, 2012
5:45 AM

Post #9148667

Jinxi , Post those pictures in the Tomato forum . We have some experts over there that will answer , and recommend a treatment fast , for you .
Horseshoe may not get back on here for a day or two and that looks serious and needs attention right away or it may be too late to salvage those plants .

postmandug

postmandug
Bardstown, KY
(Zone 6a)

June 2, 2012
6:12 AM

Post #9148710

Growing in bales probably won't ELIMINATE that risk but it sure will reduce the chances of it occurring. You have no dirt splashing up on the plant which is a factor in many fungal issues.

Doug
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 2, 2012
10:52 AM

Post #9149084

I did as suggested and am waiting for replies.

I pulled those 2 up, knowing they were hopeless...just hoping the damage doesn't spread further.

Thanks digger and Doug!
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 2, 2012
2:59 PM

Post #9149429

Jinxi, are you planting tomatoes in the same place for 5 years? That could be the problem. They say never to plant in the same place as the year before. I know you can get away with it for a while, but I think you are taking a chance if you keep trying. And 5 years is pushing it I think. They say you should rotate your crops.

Just my opinion.
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 3, 2012
1:47 PM

Post #9150465

Jnette, no, I rotate. I'm sorry this was confusing. I planted tomatoes in this section 4 years ago. What I meant was I have been gardening on this property for 5 years. I try to keep an accurate garden plan and records on what grew well or not so well, so I can amend soil, look for potential problems, rotate, and keep certain veggies far enough away from the pecan tree.

thanks,
jinxi
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 3, 2012
2:11 PM

Post #9150495

@ digger

LOL Thanks for your help in the tomatoes forum!
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 3, 2012
4:20 PM

Post #9150648

Jinxi , that's what dave's garden's all about . To help if we can . And you're welcome .
catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

June 4, 2012
4:32 AM

Post #9151226

jinxi, what is the problem with the pecan tree?
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

June 6, 2012
8:24 AM

Post #9154494

Anyone ever seen this "mushroom " before? I guessing this is what it is...

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postmandug
Bardstown, KY
(Zone 6a)

June 6, 2012
8:25 AM

Post #9154496

Yes I see it quite often in my mulch and/or horse manure compost.
ilndmon
South Eastern, NC
(Zone 8a)

June 11, 2012
11:50 AM

Post #9160866

I picked up some Bt and it is working great on my tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers. It has pretty much ended my Horn worm and Army worm problem. Thanks for the information Horseshoe.

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dbanks
Gainesville, FL
(Zone 9a)

June 12, 2012
12:38 PM

Post #9162350

Hey guys! After a series of tech problems I think I've figured out how to post on here again.

I'm the one who had some questions some time back (March?) about alfalfa bales. Well I put a thin layer of compost soil, black kow and blood meal on top of the bales, watered it in thoroughly and man did they cook! For three weeks they were steamy on the inside. Then one evening I checked the temp and they were cool inside so I planted them. The next day they were black and lying flat as a flitter on the bales. Lesson learned: the bales re-ignite in the heat of the day so don't trust an evening temp check.

I couldn't look at the bales for a couple weeks but when I finally did recheck them, they were ready to be planted. They really are great- all kinds of worms and mushrooms living happily in there. The tomatoes took off like crazy, and the squash is coming along. I'm waiting just a little while to figure out what to plant in the rest of my bale space.

The bales were already collapsing at each end, and I wanted to just use stakes but my husband insisted on boxing them in.

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aspenjocop
Northeast, MO
(Zone 5b)

June 12, 2012
2:06 PM

Post #9162492

Hey Everyone :)

Just wanted to stop by and see how you all are doing and welcome the new ones giving this a try. We have our bales planted and so far so good. Baby tomatoes are showing quite nicely :)

Russ, I hate you are having bad headaches and hope you will find relief. Have you found out what is causing them yet?? I live with migraines and have for years.

Connie
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

June 12, 2012
7:39 PM

Post #9162927

Yes Connie, I have a handle on it. Acute chronic sinus infection. I didn't hesitate when the eye ear nose and throat surgeon said surgery is recommended. The headaches I was getting were far worse than migraines. Ive had those for years, Oh yes they get bad but after they get so bad You just get sick and vomit several times take a few aspirins and lay down in a dark room with an ice pack on the back of your neck but I've never had a migraine that felt like a hot railroad spike actually being driven into the top of my head and twisting it to tear flesh. if you can imagine that much pain, your close. They called those Cluster head aches. Google those and it might give an indication why nothing over the counter would help.
The last few did take me out of control. But Thank the Lord I just couldn't bring myself to just say good bye to my better half. The only help for some of them was a hypo of some sort although oxygen did help with a few. but aspirin, Advil nothing like that would help. The last trip to ER I asked the Lutheran minister " a friend " to take us to ER My uncontrolled shaking really had him worried, and at ER they thought I was having a heart attack. I kept saying no just give something for the pain. They asked where I hurt. I'm not sure if I got irate or not but I let them know that was my head and that I had a really bad sinus infection. They finally listened but it took clear into the next afternoon to go away.
Had the surgery on the 1st. and it has been 12 days headache free " The bad ones that is" I have had a sinus headache or 2 since but They are controllable. I'm still on antibiotics and getting a lot of drainage and a low grade fever often but I'm felling better every day.
Thanks to every one for all the prayers. I needed them!
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 12, 2012
7:55 PM

Post #9162949

@ catmad

Walnut, pecan, and hickory trees give off a chemical substance from their root system called juglone. This substance inhibits germination of some plants.
The only veggies that do well within 50' of these nut trees are beans, carrots, corn, onions, squash, and melons. My watermelons thrive under the pecan tree. I spend half the summer pulling up the volunteers. :)

Sorry it took so long to reply...

jinxi
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 12, 2012
10:16 PM

Post #9163067

dbanks, you will probably be glad he did box them in. The little guy helping is so cute.

Russ, so glad things are working out. You didn't mention all the work you had to do on your plumbing with the terrible headache. Lord, I think I would have done something bad over them. Hard to say without being in the position.
aspenjocop
Northeast, MO
(Zone 5b)

June 13, 2012
6:12 AM

Post #9163303

SO good to hear you are feeling better Russ :) Praying that surgery will give you permanent relief from those headaches. I know I didn't hear much from you but thought you were busy with early summer activities.

Connie
catmad
Pelzer, SC
(Zone 7b)

June 13, 2012
6:23 AM

Post #9163320

jinxi, that's no problem :), I was just curious. I've never had any issues growing anything under or near my pecans, except for things that dont tolerate shade. I have issues with the Black Walnuts, but that's about it.
Did make me look up the juglone, so thanks! I now know much more about juglone than I probably need to, but it may come in handy someday.
dbanks
Gainesville, FL
(Zone 9a)

June 13, 2012
5:33 PM

Post #9164095

Probably a really dumb question, but since it's coming from the roots of the pecan tree, then plants in straw bales aren't affected, right?

Wowza that description of those headaches made me cringe. My mom has had migraines for years and years, at least 30 years. When she gets them, no one can walk through the house, open or close a cabinet, make any kind of noise. She suffers really badly with them and often has to go get a shot of some sort to knock her out for a day. Luckily though they only come once every couple months or so.

Thank you guys for this discussion forum! I have learned so much so far. I am really enjoying the straw bales a lot!
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 14, 2012
6:29 AM

Post #9164639

Keep us informed , Russ , I can't imagen pain worse than migraine , but know cluster headaches are much worse .Wish I could help .
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 15, 2012
6:14 AM

Post #9165978

@dbanks,

LOL, since I am a newbie, and haven't planted in straw bales (yet), I don't know. But, I would think it wouldn't affect the straw bale veggies, not the first year, anyway. I just know my melons and squash love a little shade from the tree and thrive there.

@catmad,

I found out about the juglone the 3rd year I planted on this property. My tomatoes and peppers did so bad that year! I had planted on the south eastern side, about 20' away, so I knew it wasn't too much sun causing the problem. A neighboring farmer told me veggies don't do well near pecan trees, so I went searching for the reason.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 15, 2012
6:30 AM

Post #9165994

I pulled up a newly planted pecan and walnut when I found out .They both grow native here altho the pecan natives are small nuts . Mine was a Stuart
dbanks
Gainesville, FL
(Zone 9a)

June 15, 2012
7:25 AM

Post #9166061

Hi everyone!

My bales are absolutely full of these little critters that growing up in Kentucky we called roly polys, and some people call pill bugs. Turns out their scientific name is way cool and really fun to say: Armadillidiidae. I looked up some information to find out if I should be concerned or not, and it seems that they really don't harm established plants, but may harm seedlings or strawberries. In my quest I found a couple really interesting facts though, that I thought you guys might get a laugh out of:

They don't pee; they fart instead. Heeheheeee
They aren't really bugs; they are crustaceans.
They turn bright blue or purple when they are sick.
They are "waste managers" and are often used as such in spider cages to clean up, um, everyone else's poo. Cause they like to eat that too.

Did I mention earlier that I'm a big ol dork?
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 15, 2012
9:53 AM

Post #9166230

LOL, cute.
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

June 15, 2012
6:26 PM

Post #9166883

Hmmm Wonder If they could be used in METHANE production. LOL
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 15, 2012
6:39 PM

Post #9166896

Russ, do you have Methane gas? When I lived in Seattle they had Methane coming out of an old landfill. They lit it and it burned there for years. Just one vent. Nothing big, just like maybe a torch. Yup years. Wonder if it is still burning. LOL

Should ask my daughter if it is still burning.
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

June 16, 2012
1:06 AM

Post #9167185

Well It would depend on how much was put in the landfill.
As long as there is organic material there that will digest it will produce methane. We have some swampy areas that produce a little but that just bubbles a little, you would have to lay a very large sheet of rubber roofing over a large area to get enough to burn for a while.
I know out in Peoria IL. the treatment plant gets all their power from the methane, enough to run a big Cat engine and generator, they probably sell some of the power to the electric company too.
Sioux City has a couple methane reclaiming structures at the waist treatment plant. quite often I see fire on the tall pipe that lets off the excess. I don't know if they are utilizing it to the full extent or not.
I did play around with methane a little, I had an old 1 cylinder JD E series water boy engine. I raised rabbits and put a few shovels of their poop in one barrel and topped it off with water, and plumed a couple more barrels to that one. After a while I was able to run that engine off the methane that it produced. I was trying to get hog and cattle farmers to build digesters for their own power. I guess they looked at a very small unit and didn't see the potential what their operation could be. Maybe I should try it again with the chicken poop. after it is done producing all its methane it is a better fertilizer that won't burn any of the garden veggies.
My kids might say Dad that is just something that could blow up and hit you in the head again. darn kids anyway. lol

jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 16, 2012
5:28 AM

Post #9167290

LOL pill bugs!

@digger

I hope you replanted those nut trees somewhere else. Was this a recent activity? :))
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 16, 2012
5:40 AM

Post #9167304

Has anyone seen this? It's about tomato nutrients, or lack of. I found it on Facebook...

http://5e.plantphys.net/article.php?ch=t&id=289
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 16, 2012
8:34 AM

Post #9167461

Jinxi , There is a tap root that if cut , will kill the tree . The pecan had a tap root over three foot deep . Had to be cut . Don't know about the walnut , Could only have planted it in the woods . I just gave up on them both ,altho I know what you're saying . .
jinxi
Rocky Point, NC

June 16, 2012
9:38 AM

Post #9167524

@digger,

I figured you for a digging kinda person... and I was joking that the recent activity was the result of my posting of the juglone. You probably knew about it.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 16, 2012
10:22 AM

Post #9167566

Oh . no , That happened almost 20 yrs ago when we first cleared this spot in the woods and started planting . I really did want the trees and wish I had put out more pecans . Wouldn't have to buy them now .Nope , you didn't have anything to do with it . Hugs
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 17, 2012
1:18 PM

Post #9168924

LOL, Russ, I was just thinking the same thing. Leave it alone. jeanette
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 17, 2012
4:00 PM

Post #9169138

Russ, Jnette's right , stop playing around and inventing things that can hurt you . The bicycle was enough .
Just think , this time last year , we was winding up for the trip to Colorado .
We just had a steel roof put on the rent trailer , so not spending much this summer on unneeded stuff . Camp looks a bit messy , but really wasn't . Just trying to keep shade over all us . Hugs to you and Barb

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 17, 2012
4:22 PM

Post #9169162

Doesn't look messy at all Digger. Looks very comfortable. Wind chimes too!! LOL, never known anyone to take those with them. Who are the 3 Musketeers?? Jeanette
aspenjocop
Northeast, MO
(Zone 5b)

June 17, 2012
6:11 PM

Post #9169305

Hmmm...are they trying to talk their way out of something??? Doesn't look like he is buying it (wink)

How much gold did you bring back Russ?? LOL!!

Connie
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 17, 2012
7:50 PM

Post #9169431

That is Russ , the park ranger , and Johnny Crumley . I asked to take a picture of the three of them together .
Russ made the wind chimes and brought them for me as a gift . They have beautiful tone , and I love it when the wind blows enough to make them "sing".
Russ worked hard enough for it , so we sent him home with all the gold that was gotten . Very little , because the water was still so high . Couldn't get our 4" dredge in to recover enough to split . A good time was had for all , but another month , the water would have been down and not so swift .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 17, 2012
9:20 PM

Post #9169490

I knew the one was Russ. The park ranger and John look almost like brothers.

Yes, the rivers don't go down round here until almost August. Doesn't make for very good fishing either.

I had forgotten that Russ makes the wind chimes. Bet they are nice.

Hi Connie. How is your garden this year?
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

June 18, 2012
12:57 AM

Post #9169563

Connie; just enough gold to see it in the vile. The friends and the experience have the most value. Sally & Johnny give me just of the bug, that in between all my catching up and being knocked down with this sinus thing and nasty headaches and surgery and all, that I'm attempting to build a small dredge to use in a couple of rivers a little closer to home. There is an IA gold Prospectors club on the other side of the state, that I would like to find time to get to some of their meetings. With everything that has been going on here It hasn't happened yet but I'm in contact with them. & they have been finding a little. Apparently enough to tickle their fancy.
Digger; in getting material for repairing the water line and having to move the location of some of the lines under the house, I have enough hard copper left over that I'm going to build a chime out of copper. can hardly wait, but I have this big pile of dirt setting on my lawn that needs to go back in the trench first. Then there is the promise that Barb made to me that we would set up camp, with the pop-up camper down along the river and spend about 3 days just fishing. I wanted to stay another week out in Colorado but she wanted to get back home. Think she was concerned about her next eye appointment, that we would be cutting the timing a little close. We need to try preserve as much of her sight as we can.
I don't have much of a garden this year, just enough to keep me busy. Tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, some white potatoes, some sweet potatoes and a new blue berry bush.
One of my daughters has ripe tomatoes already but I wasn't as quick with getting things in this year. But I guess it's better late than never. lol
Russ
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 18, 2012
9:21 AM

Post #9169952

Wow ripe tomatoes already. Mine are just starting to bloom. It is so cold here that I don't think they will ever do much. LOL, now didn't I say that last year? Shoe, where are you? Guess I will have to go on the tomato forum to find him. He did something and got me ripe tomatoes last year. Best ever.

It will probably turn real hot without any in between. No spring. Isn't summer starting this next week? My poor plants are having to make do with hydrogen peroxide right now. Otherwise their roots would rot.
aspenjocop
Northeast, MO
(Zone 5b)

June 18, 2012
9:41 AM

Post #9169977

I had to pick on ya just a little there Russ lol!! Too good of a pic not to :)

Jeanette, our garden is doing well. Thanks so much for asking :) We are having to do lots of watering so far this year. Not getting much rain at all in this area. How did you get your tomatoes ripe last year? I am thinking you were having problems with them not blooming or something like that. Are you giving your plants hydrogen peroxide in the bales?? Does that give the roots more oxygen??

Connie
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

June 18, 2012
12:51 PM

Post #9170251

Hey I don't mind being picked on, usually brings a smile to this old wrinkled face. That is when I think of a come back. lol

Good news on todays Dr. visit. He was amazed at how well I was getting along. But had me get more of the irrigating fluid with an antibiotic in it. Which should nip the rest of the infection.
An he said that if I had any problems not to hesitate to call. You can take this bet to the bank; if I start to get headaches like I had; I'll be getting him in off the golf course!
My maters should be growing today. it's hot and humid. The thermometer in the shade is at 91 the one out in the sun says 106 and the humidity is about 96%. should also give the sweet taders
a big push.
Oh also got the first egg from the chickens I started in March. One little omelet coming up. ha ha
Russ
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 18, 2012
1:23 PM

Post #9170299

Russ, I think that egg was from my chicken. You never sent me a picture of her.

So glad to hear the good news. You better believe you will find that dr. He might be sorry he said that.

Yes Connie on the peroxide. I give it because I am not sure how much moisture is in the bales. But, I do have them in the hoophouse. If I didn't they would be drowned like everything else by now. I am really giving everything peroxide. It is just mud in these containers. I don't do anything in the ground.

Don't think we are going to get out of the 50s today. Can you believe it? Almost July!! The cucumbers rotted. I forgot peroxide on them. They had just germinated. Guess I will try them again. Good grief.

How are Barb's eyes doing Russ? Sure sorry for her. It sounds like Connie did good after her surgery. Couldn't believe it when you said she showed up to get her car. I didn't know she was even out of the hospital.

Well, cleaning house today. Just stopped by to chat a minute and rest. ttyl,
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 18, 2012
1:36 PM

Post #9170328

A one egg omelet , with ham and cheese and of course , diced tomatoand onion . What a feast ! lol
I had Johnny drive me about 20 miles to a peach barn . I always buy the culls and over ripe . The freestone won't be coming in for another week , so got about 1/2 bushel , a big watermelon and a canalope . They are a little higher than a grocery store but can't get peaches that cheap anywhere else. I'll go back next Monday for the sweeter peaches, and tomorrow , I have a coupla patches of blackberries scoped out to start picking . They've been getting ripe for a week now .The peach barn wanted 24 dollars a gallon for them and those were from cultivated thornless plants , not as good . This has been the best year for them in ages . Usually , the late , April freeze gets the bloom . This year we had a light freeze that spared most of them .
Happy dance for you , Russ .Sick is bad but when you have so much you want to do makes it even worse . Love ya and Barb
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

June 18, 2012
5:35 PM

Post #9170668

Nope, this egg is from the Barred rocks. So you can't have it naa naa naa LOL
Was going to send the pic of that one but when DG is up I can't find it But I have decided that it looks more like a Rhode Island Red, than the sex links " Comets" If I can find it again I'll see if I can email it.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 18, 2012
6:31 PM

Post #9170753

Just don't send me a picture of one you are having for Sunday dinner.

Wow! Sally, I love wild blackberries. I agree with you on the cultivated ones. We used to get such good ones in Seattle but they don't grow over here this side of the mountains. So a couple of years ago we went down to one of the farms and picked some. Bob wouldn't even eat them. Said they were not blackberries.

Gosh, none of that stuff will be on here for months yet.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 18, 2012
7:28 PM

Post #9170864

J, I googled your area a year or so ago and think it is beautiful . Too bad you don't have longer summers .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 18, 2012
10:33 PM

Post #9171086

Yes Sally, it is pretty up here. Very lush 'cause we have gotten so much rain so far this "spring"? I don't think I could take the heat you all get. I suppose I, like all of you, would get used to it. But, yes, we don't have very long summers.

I don't know where you googled, 'cause Washington has 3, at least, different types of landscape, for want of a better word. Not a very good word, but it is late. The coast is very temperate with a lot of rain. Then, the Cascade mountain range divides it, about a 3rd of the state, from the middle which is very desert like. Dry and hot. They grow a lot of produce. Then the last part, EAst, which is us, the last 3rd, is quite green. We have 4 very definite seasons. Spring, summer, fall and winter. The dry area has the same only less snow. The Coast is zone 8 and quite damp. That is Washington state. It is about 400 miles across, and probably that much or more from north to south. Everything from skiing to deep sea fishing and in between.

LOL, probably more than you ever wanted to know about us. Do I sound like a Chamber of Commerce? Didn't mean to. 'nite. Jeanette

postmandug

postmandug
Bardstown, KY
(Zone 6a)

June 20, 2012
6:52 AM

Post #9172606

It is a beautiful state! I used to ride my motorcycle all over it 30 some years ago.

Deception Pass, north side of Whidbey Island.

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 20, 2012
6:43 PM

Post #9173522

Beautiful Doug. Where did you live when you were here?

It is too bad that we can't all share our weather so we all have fairly warm, temperate without terrible winters and horrendously hot summers. Wouldn't that be nice? Guess we wouldn't have anything to complain about then tho. :0)

postmandug

postmandug
Bardstown, KY
(Zone 6a)

June 21, 2012
7:31 AM

Post #9174103

I was stationed on Whidbey Island in 77-78 in the Marines.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 21, 2012
9:15 AM

Post #9174290

Nice place to be stationed. :0)
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 21, 2012
9:36 AM

Post #9174329

A master Gardner AND a marine ! I'm in tall cotten . lol & hugs .

postmandug

postmandug
Bardstown, KY
(Zone 6a)

June 21, 2012
12:27 PM

Post #9174556

And a good cook to boot!!!!
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 21, 2012
4:07 PM

Post #9174853

Doug , my dh watches all the cooking shows . I get sick of them and could enjoy if he cooked Anything . Nope ! He'll sit and starve before he fixes a simple sandwich , waits for me to do it . I spoiled him when we first married and he got used to it . Live and learn .
Put up 11 qts of peaches in the freezer yesterday and picked , put up five qts of wild blackberries today . I like to have waited too long for the blackberries , the big ones had dropped off and just small ones left . Found them on a high line cut . I'll be ready next year , hope the crew doesn't cut them back next spring . I'm making another trip to the peach orchard in a few days , the really sweet ones will be ready .
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

June 21, 2012
7:32 PM

Post #9175090

Digger; sure wish we were able to make the trip down there. We won't have any fruit trees bear this year due to a frost when all were in blossom. When peaches are shipped here, they have been picked green, they are hard as rocks, if you try to ripen them they just rot in the center.
I can only dream of biting into a peach and have the juice dribble on your chin. LOL
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 21, 2012
8:03 PM

Post #9175142

LOL, guess that is why they are Georgia peaches Russ. Gosh their produce comes on way ahead of ours and yours.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 22, 2012
5:47 AM

Post #9175556

Russ and Jnette , I've gained three pounds this week on peaches and ice cream . . Going to a roundup tomorrow and it will be salads and raw veggies for me next week .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 22, 2012
10:33 AM

Post #9175907

LOL, Sally, it wasn't the peaches. That's ok. Only happens once a year, right? Until the next time anyway.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 22, 2012
11:50 AM

Post #9175992

Yep , it was the ice cream then . Three times a day and a late snack . Got my fill for another month tho , the freezer has enough for twice a month till this time next year . Once a year ? what about Christmas , Thanksgiving ,and all those Chinese buffetts in between ? lol
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 22, 2012
3:03 PM

Post #9176282

I'm sure you will figure something out. Sure does sound good.
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

June 24, 2012
10:58 AM

Post #9178595

Pic of my first SB Garden so far!! Just picked my first squash and the tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchini and peppers are doing great! My green beans may not make it tho.. not sure why.. they were real punny and yellow so added blood meal.. that helped & they greened up some but still slow growing..added miracle grow... we'll see.. but I'm very happy with everything else!! That's my new chicken coop in the background.. lol!

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LostFrog
Dix, IL
(Zone 6a)

June 24, 2012
11:31 AM

Post #9178640

Your veggies look great, JaxGma! Love the coop, did you make it yourself? That design is great, I've got one somewhat similar. Do you have chickens in it yet?
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 24, 2012
1:34 PM

Post #9178794

LOL, Lost Frog, you said everything to Jxgma that I was going to. Very curious about your chicken coops you two.
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

June 25, 2012
6:17 AM

Post #9179666

Yes we built it ourselves! No chickens yet.. hopefully next week.. Almost done! Need door knob, handles on drawer, separators for laying boxes and screen in window vent and chicken ladder! Got to finish fence between garden and coop.. I was told chickens will scratch up my hay bales and try to lay in them..can't have that!!! The chicken droppings will be used in the garden also.. :-)

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

June 25, 2012
9:38 AM

Post #9180053

That looks nice enough for me to live in . Congrads .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 25, 2012
10:22 AM

Post #9180147

How many hens do you think you can have in there? Don't they figure so many per square feet or is it so many sq ft per chix? There is a formula I have seen. Also, once your garden is up, do you have a garden in regular ground? That the chix scratching in it helps keep the bugs down and the plants somewhat fertilized.

I used to watch a fellow's garden and he would let his chix out during the day and they were constantly in his garden scratching, eating bugs etc. It looked great. He had a beautiful garden every year so something was right.

I have never heard of them nesting in the bales. Don't know why they wouldn't tho? LOL At least the eggs would be very visible and easy to gather.
LostFrog
Dix, IL
(Zone 6a)

June 26, 2012
10:55 AM

Post #9181996

My chickens go into my hay storage area and will lay eggs on the bales so I have a nightly routine of checking all the nest boxes then the bales. Silly chickens think I put that stuff in there just for them. Can't trust them in the garden, they would destroy it. I had some volunteer tomatoes come up in the chicken yard and I had to fence it to keep the chickens out, they have eaten all the leaves of what they can reach already but I have about 32 of the little demons so nothing stands a chance. I will say that they make it easier to trim the fence line. They take care of keeping the grass clipped as far as they can get their heads out, so less trimming for me and provide plenty of compost. Win-win.
Here are all my coops. I have a little chicken city going on, but they keep me entertained. Unfortunately, I can't let them free range anymore. Last year, I had a bunch of stray dogs attack them, by the time I ran out there, I had bodies scattered all over the yard. Two were still alive and recovered completely but they have to stay inside their fence now which isn't too bad, they have a half acre area.
JaxGma, Do you know what kind of chicken you are planning on getting? Love your craftsmanship on the coop by the way! Too cute.

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 26, 2012
12:24 PM

Post #9182129

Your coops are so neat. I can see the chicken city. LOL Wow, 32 of them. That's a lot. Are they all hens? What do you do with all of the eggs? How many do you get a day? Bet it takes a lot of feed. Hope they pay for themselves. :0)
LostFrog
Dix, IL
(Zone 6a)

June 26, 2012
1:03 PM

Post #9182198

Well 9 of them are babies that hatched this fall so they are not laying yet. Lets see, I have 6 roos and the rest are girls. Right now, with all this heat, I get around 7 eggs a day. Many of my girls are 7-8 yrs old so they don't lay anymore, but that's ok. They deserve a retirement. I guess I go through about a 50 pound bag of feed every 2 weeks. More during the winter, less in the summer when there are more bugs and outside stuff to eat. I sell some eggs to coworkers but it doesn't cover the cost of the feed. It's more a hobby than anything. Here are some of my kids, I only have the bantam sizes. The first one is a frizzle polish, still a baby. The second has some cochins and a silkie. The third has some silkies, cochins, faverolle, seabright and mixed babies. Last is a cochin.


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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

June 26, 2012
1:20 PM

Post #9182226

They are so cool. Very nice. And love the different ones. When my daughter was young she and I had chickens, geese, ducks, rabbits, dogs, cats, even a horse. But, since I can't take care of them any more and she lives in Seattle, I only have a dog and 2 cats. But, I do miss the rest of them. If I could take care of them in the winter I would at least have a couple of rabbits for the manure for my garden. That is the best.

But we have so much snow in the winter it would be impossible for me to take care of them then so guess that is out. I sure enjoy seeing the chickens. etc. Thanks for sharing.
dbanks
Gainesville, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 3, 2012
6:22 PM

Post #9191975

JaxGma and Lost Frog- your coops are AWESOME! I would love to have some chickens myself. Maybe someday when I grow up and own a home...

If anyone here is good at building coops at a low price, I suggest you sell them to the urbanites who are into this kind of stuff. They have soft hands and no idea how to build this stuff, and they will pay a premium for an already-built chicken coop.

JaxGma- what kind of bales did you use?
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 3, 2012
7:29 PM

Post #9192071

That is true. They are going thru their city or townships to allow them and my gosh, they have them right in the cities. It is amazing when the people with acreage are limited to two or three 4 legged animals. LOL
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

July 4, 2012
1:13 PM

Post #9192961

I used straw bales..hay was too expensive and I wanted 30... The ones my tomatoes are in were from Pa.from what the lady said at Southern States. I had to go to Oxford to get them (40 min away) and I think they were much older. They were darker and more compact. I didn't want to drive all the way back to get more and I needed 15 more so went to local store and got them for squash etc. They were newer, pretty, bigger, lighter and not as compact. Well.. I really like the older ones much better. They hold water better & had tons of mushrooms. We have had almost no rain here in weeks and I've only needed to water with the soaker hoses maybe once or twice a week. We've had many storms but they all either go around us or are all wind... This is a pic of finished coop. I wish I could let the chickens run in the garden but I've heard they will destroy the plants scratching them and will lay in the bales... There is a drawer under the roosts so I can pull it out to clean and a window on one side and a flip down vent above the drawer. I raise Afghan Hounds and have to fence up everything to keep them out.

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JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

July 4, 2012
1:17 PM

Post #9192966

BTW.. Everything did real good in all the bales except the green beans.. don't know what I did wrong and they are growing more now but I doubt I get much out of them. The squash, Zucchini , peppers and tomatoes are awesome and all plants are full. What can I plant in the bales after the tomatoes and squash are done? Ideas?

LostFrog I LOVE your chickens and your Chick City!! Now I want another one! Love the log cabin! lol

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JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

July 4, 2012
2:39 PM

Post #9193038

LostFrog: I know I want a couple silkies, probably a couple Rhode Isl Reds and about 4 more but have not made up my mind yet on what kind. I figure 8-10 will be enough. Question.. after everything has been picked from the SBG , can I just let the chickens in it and let them eat whatever is left? I figure they could help fertilize the bales as well. :-)
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 4, 2012
6:52 PM

Post #9193296

Jaxgma, did you design your own chicken coop? Years ago I sent for a real well designed instructions to build one, and now I can't find it. Sounds a lot like the way you described yours. The handiest thing about it was the way it had a roost etc for the chix to poop and an easy cleanout for it.

I have never seen any designs like it since.
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

July 5, 2012
6:58 AM

Post #9193706

We looked at several coops then made it to what we wanted.. The drawer is for easy cleaning.. it's right under the roosts and all I have to do is open the drawer to clean!
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

July 5, 2012
8:15 PM

Post #9194792

Just had to jump in and and share a little. I decided to raise some chickens this year. Ordered the chicks, then started building a chicken tractor. Now I'm glad I done most of the work while there was snow on the ground, as I don't think I would get very far along in this heat. But this is still a work in progress. I didn't do very well on designing the wheels on the heavy end. but it is a change I'm making after the fact. I have a doz. Barred Rocks, now 5 months old, in a 12' X 16' tractor I only have the one roost in the open area but see I need one in the hutch across from the nest boxes. as some are using the nest boxes for their roost. that makes for more cleaning. They are now starting to lay, I was getting 1 every other day sometimes 1 a day then yesterday I got 3, Wow, then today yea I got 5, they are still small but 5 eggs will work for 4, when making scrambled eggs, for us.
Have more pictures but that is the only one I could find right now. They didn't come up in this search. I'll have to look a little harder later.

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 5, 2012
10:39 PM

Post #9194879

So Russ, do you move this around? It's a tractor right? then you must move it around your yard, or garden. I see the ladder to the nest boxes. I want to see more pictures. I want to see a picture of MY chicken.

LOL, You folks are going to have to pardon us, but Russ got these chickens and knowing I wanted chickens, he said I could claim one of his. But he never told me which one and if she was laying, or???? Or was she going to end up as a guest at Sunday dinner.

How do you get the eggs Russ? You are just going to have to show us more pictures.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 7, 2012
2:06 PM

Post #9196843

Hey Everybody,

Just a quick note to give you a new tip I got from a friend. I thought it was so neat, I hope you try it and let me know what you think of it. I will try it when we get some corn next time.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnBF6bv4Oe4

:0) Let me know. It looks neat anyway.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 10, 2012
8:47 PM

Post #9201087

Hi, everyone!

I'm new at this forum, but have been following Kent's Straw Bale Gardening for some time. This is my first year trying straw bale gardening, at an altitude of over 7,600 feet and the hottest sun you ever could imagine (at least for the plants). It's cool in the shade during the day, but if you stand in the sun, whoa! I grew all but my Anaheim chiles from heirloom seed (I lost count at 1000 plants. Some are still in the temporary hothouse (made with cattle panel, hay, and a cheap clear plastic tarp.) Since the sun is so intense here the first plants I put out without much hardening off, and they got a 'sunburn', turning the leaves white and they're still stunted but hanging in there. I planted some more tomatoes by the little stunted one and more squash by the little ones, and like to think the bigger plants will give them some mentors. j/k :) For the first time in my life, I started corn indoors and transplanted them into the bale. I also made a strawberry tower out of bales and they're surviving and putting on new leaves, beside the bales, in the bed, are growing brocolli and flowers. On the top bale are squash plants. I'm testing to see if these will do well in shade. Normally, I wouldn't try them there, but the sun is ruthless at this altitude. I will be starting a bigger greenhouse made of cattle panel soon and look forward to extending the growing season. Anyway, I've talked your legs off, so I'll just share some pictures. Thanks for listening. Blessings, DJ

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LostFrog
Dix, IL
(Zone 6a)

July 11, 2012
10:23 AM

Post #9201663

JaxGma, by all means let the chickens in there when your garden is done. They will go to town on everything and love you for it.

Solace, How is your corn doing? I've never heard of anyone transplanting corn before and was curious of your results.

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LostFrog
Dix, IL
(Zone 6a)

July 11, 2012
10:38 AM

Post #9201690

Jnette, How funny! That same video was passed around my work a week ago so I tried it and it works really well. Mine didn't come out completely clean, had 2 or 3 silks still on it, but it beats having to pick all of them off of there. My family was happy with the results!
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 11, 2012
2:02 PM

Post #9201885

Solace, I'll bet you have even a shorter season than we do??? Bet that is why Solace is transplanting corn Lost Frog. Hope your garden does well, it sure looks good.

LOL, you are the first one I have heard from that has tried it. The shame is that you do lose some corn on the stem end, however, if any of it is going to be tough, that is where it will be. Thanks for responding.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 13, 2012
12:57 PM

Post #9204036

Thanks, LostFrog & Jnette. The season is extremely short, here. The picture of the corn on the bale is from last week. I water it every day and it's hanging in there. The straw bales I use come from Coors Barley fields, and they bale it in a different direction than most so I have to have the bales thin side up. This corn you see is Reid's Yellow Dent, which I will grow more after this test - probably in the greenhouse, and I also planted some heirloom 'Smoke Signals' popcorn (like 'Indian Corn' - beautiful) and it's still in the starter tray awaiting transplant. It's a darker green. I may need to fertilize the bale corn. I want to try the ancient three sisters method of growing corn/beans/squash and use lithic mulch as well. with the 'Three Sisters' method, the corn is 6" tall and then beans are planted near them to use the corn as a trellis. Squash is planted to cover the ground and prevent overheated soil and evaporation. The Lithic Mulching is just placing stones around the soil to prevent evaporation and to stabilize the temperature at night (it's in the 40s and low 50s here at night) The Native Americans used these methods with great success, on a much larger scale than I have. I've gardened since I was a kid, but I'm doing some testing of other methods, now, since the weather is so crazy. Thank you for your encouragement and sharing your tips with the rest of us. And YES, you CAN transplant corn! Yay! :) The pic is kinda blurry, but here's the Smoke Signals in the starter tray in the temporary hothouse.

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 13, 2012
1:39 PM

Post #9204081

My Dear departed MIL sprouted her corn between wet folds of feed sacks , then planted it .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 13, 2012
3:26 PM

Post #9204193

So see, it can be done. When is your first frost date Solace?

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 13, 2012
5:48 PM

Post #9204351

Average first frost: September 11-20
Average last frost: June 1-10
http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-colorado-usda-plant-zone-hardiness-map.php?ZS=81144

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 13, 2012
5:56 PM

Post #9204359

Digger, that's a great idea, sprouting the corn in wet feed sacks. I sprouted some in cheesecloth and it grew, surprisingly.
Thank you for that suggestion. Pots are in short supply sometimes, so alternatives are good.
I'm so sorry you lost your dear one. How long ago did it happen?
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 14, 2012
8:22 AM

Post #9204852

It has been several years . She was a second mother to me and I had her 'till she reached 98 years on this earth . She had a bright mind and great sense of humor until her last day .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 14, 2012
9:43 AM

Post #9204947

Sally, you were lucky. A lot of people don't have one good mother, and you had 2!! How nice. And she lived such a long life and the best part is that she was so well when she passed away. There are so many sad lives in this world, it is nice to hear of an uplifting one.

Solace, it is too bad that shipping is so expensive. I suppose that is why pots are in such short supply for you.

What do you do up there when you aren't growing things? Do you live close to other people, how far from shopping etc. Are you close to Denver? Or?? Sorry to be nosy. Just curious as to how other people live. :0)


Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 14, 2012
12:04 PM

Post #9205094

Jnette wrote:Sally, you were lucky. A lot of people don't have one good mother, and you had 2!! How nice. And she lived such a long life and the best part is that she was so well when she passed away. There are so many sad lives in this world, it is nice to hear of an uplifting one.

Solace, it is too bad that shipping is so expensive. I suppose that is why pots are in such short supply for you.

What do you do up there when you aren't growing things?
A: After spending over 25 years in radio, television, and newspaper, I now work from my own studios at my home running radio stations (Solace) which takes a lot of time, with programming, emails, and trying to help others in the US and other countries with study material. I also love to cook, watch movies, have cats, dogs, and chickens, grown kids, and read/study a lot. I live just outside of town (not far enough out, but I figure I'm where the Lord wants me right now) and wish I had some acreage to do all that I want to do. I'm content with what has been provided to me, though.

Do you live close to other people, how far from shopping etc. Are you close to Denver?
A: I'm about 300 miles from both Denver and Albuquerque in a high Valley (San Luis Valley). There is a gardening store a few miles away, that I'm thankful for.

Or?? Sorry to be nosy. Just curious as to how other people live. :0)
A: I'm a curious one, too. Curiosity means you care. :) How about you?




Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 14, 2012
1:34 PM

Post #9205166

Oh gosh, about me, well, I retired early thanks to VP Gore's instructions from then President Bill Clinton, to reduce the federal workforce. So, they offered early outs to mid management. Actually to everyone, but were trying to get rid of the highest paid ones. Not highest, but ones they could afford to let go. Hire younger with less time in, right? lol.

Plus, physically I could have maybe gotten a disability, but didn't want to take the time and effort for the few bucks difference, so the offer came at a good time for me.

After 2 years retired in Seattle, actually lived there over 30 years, I realized I could not afford to live there on my income. Also, my mom was quite elderly and I really needed to be closer to her. So, I and my housemate picked up and moved to NE Washington, about a hundred miles north of Spokane, where my mom lived, which is in Eastern Washington.

2 years after we moved here, my mom passed away. Well, my only child, daughter, is still in the Seattle area with her family, my only grandchild, a boy 23 years old. Boy didn't sound right but I first put a question mark after it and that looked even more confusing. I do a lot of gardening, cooking, canning, reading, chatting on here, fishing in season. And of course, going to all of the fun fairs etc. in the summer.

I would love to move back to Seattle, but as I said, the cost of living is outrageous on retirement income. So, that is where I have come from after spending over 20 years with the U.S. Customs Service.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 14, 2012
7:52 PM

Post #9205456

I'm glad you were able to spend the last years with your mom. I like to fish, too, and used to go out on the Rio Grande to fish, but haven't fished in years. How did you get into gardening? Or have you been doing it since you were a kid, too?
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 14, 2012
10:11 PM

Post #9205545

Yep, you've got it. My mom was an avid gardener. So, all of us girls ended up the same. 5 girls.

Sally, Digger, goes to Texas in the winter to fish in the Gulf of Mexico. Don't you Sally? She takes a tomato plant or 2 with her. LOL, yeah, she really does.

We fish mainly in local lakes and a few rivers.

Gosh, I just turned on the local news and he is talking about thunder storms again tonight. I have been in a lot of those, but last night was the worst I think I have ever been in. Just terrible. It started at about 11 o'clock and kept it up for hours. Right over our house. I don't remember ever hearing lightening crack so close. I do hope it isn't that bad tonight.

ttyl, later, good night.

digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 15, 2012
8:11 AM

Post #9205805

Jnette , every year I say I'm not carrying a bunch with me . NOT ! This year I'm taking a huge elephant ear that will have to be cut back to the bulb only . . A pot of black E E's , a few tomato suckers , rooted . Another few small pots of annuals . I gotta stop this madness .
We have an older , customized , high top van that we drive to Tex .and there is the whole back end to put plants in , along with the large animal cage that carries the cat . We took the full size bed out first thing . We also pull a 6x12' cargo trailer full of tools , clothes , a broken 5' freezer loaded with frozen food to transfer into our freezer out there . All the boxed food from the cabinets so the weevils won't get in them and don't have to buy everything out there .The cabinets are already stocked out there with canned stuff .The broken freezer keeps the already frozen food froze hard and so much better than ice chests .
It's a lot of work to get everything separated and packed , loaded .I have to take my favorite knife with me , a chef's knife .Lord , if I ever left it , I would be lost .And I forgot cleaning out the fridge . Whew, you make me tired just thinking about the twice annual transfer there and again , back . I'm going to sit back in my recliner and take a nap ! hugs

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 15, 2012
9:27 AM

Post #9205883

You're both making me tired. :) I need more coffee, now. I have a greenhouse to build today. Will send pics, if it doesn't collapse onto me. j/k
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 15, 2012
11:25 AM

Post #9205986

Please send pictures so Sally can look at them while she is in her recliner and then she will sleep well. Thinking SHE did all the work. :0)
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 15, 2012
4:19 PM

Post #9206316

If you knew my D H , you would know I did most all the work . The only time he works outside is when I'm there . He is NOT a self starter .
I want to see the greenhouse but will have to sit in here , my recliner is in the den .
I did sleep well , then went to Tractor Supply and bought D H a grill with a smoker box . On sale for 69.00 , way less than two thirds of reg price

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 15, 2012
4:39 PM

Post #9206333

I would, but the train of plans I had today got side-railed. U bolts apparently don't grow on trees (or in my garage), and the local hardware store is only open three hours on sun day in this sleepy little berg. This means 'up at the crack of dawn' tomorrow. Winchester is learning to crow, so I'm sure I'll be up anyway, with the chickens a few yards from my bedroom window. I need to go out and run a plumb line of sorts and get it leveled, yet, anyway. Maybe Sally could just take a well-deserved nap with no guilt, while I try to figure out the best no-chemical way to get rid of some doggone spider mites or something eating my plants. Could be the little black ants, too.

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 15, 2012
4:43 PM

Post #9206338

My kind of cat and thanks for the no guilt nap .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 15, 2012
6:36 PM

Post #9206462

That cat looks like we all do now and then. Very cool picture.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 15, 2012
11:14 PM

Post #9206696

That's Braveheart. I couldn't resist capturing that moment. I added the cans, milk carton, and shelves (with Corel) to the original with him just on the bed. He's a sweet kitty.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 16, 2012
8:25 AM

Post #9207069

Wish I could do things like that with my puter .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 16, 2012
8:52 AM

Post #9207106

We could learn Sally if we had the patience. :0)

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 16, 2012
10:57 AM

Post #9207308

Yes, it does take patience. All you do is place the picture on top of the original, wherever you want it to be, and use a transparency tool on the edges.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 16, 2012
5:53 PM

Post #9207908

My major gardening project for today (still don't have the u bolts for the greenhouse. Manana, perhaps) is the Three Sisters bale. It was pretty heavy so I put it on an old bedspread that I use to haul stuff around the yard, and dragged the cooked bale over to the driveway. I'm hoping the corn, squash, and pole beans will provide not only food, but some privacy in the front yard area. The lilac bush hedge behind the bale is about 12' tall now, so that side's pretty private, but needed something on the north side of the yard. I'm assuming a lot, lol, that it will grow like gangbusters. I hope so. I stuck a spindly watermelon I had in the hothouse, in hopes that it will do better in the bale. If not, oh well... It was a wrestling match to get that heavy little bugger up onto a gravel filled metal box. I put some of those beans in another bale and it took quite a while for them to germinate (probably the cool nights here), so hope they come up. The corn is the Smoke Signals multicolored kernels. Hope it makes... so much GMO corn out there that I don't eat corn anymore, so I'm sure hoping to get some of the heirloom to produce. (Mind wandering to boiled corn slathered in butter).

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 16, 2012
6:41 PM

Post #9207979

I love sweet corn out in the field right off the cob , raw . So sweet !
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 16, 2012
9:44 PM

Post #9208217

One of our legislators introduced a bill to make the vendors that sell the seeds put on the packets if they are GMO seeds. I don't know if it passed.

I am not going to mention any names but one of us asked Totally Tomatoes if their seeds were GMOs and they said "NO" that none of theirs were. OK, but if you google the company, TT is owned by Monsanto????

How big a community do you live in Solace? I think if I wanted privacy I would plant something more permanent than a bale of vegetables. Do you have a problem with your neighbors?

I have had to replant my cukes 3 times now. First the hail killed them, then the cat used it, they are in 3 gallon buckets, for a litter box. It may be too late to get any cucumbers from them. Others I have talked to replanted their corn, and someone else had to replant their beans. Oh well. I found a way I think to keep the cat out of my plants.

She was using my houseplants for a litter box so I got some cotton balls and put hand lotion on them and put several in the plants. No problem since. The reason I did that is because when the cat wanted to sit on my lap and she smelled the lotion on me, she turned up her nose and left. I just put a dab on each cotton ball. Seems to work so far. I am wondering if it would work for those moles out there that took all my garlic. Cleaned them out.



Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 17, 2012
12:11 AM

Post #9208278

This is a small community 2200 +/- and I plan to plant fruit trees near the property line this fall, Lord willing. They're not bad neighbors, but they are a little nosy. They're renting the house next door and I'd just like a little more privacy, even if it's temporary, especially in the summer when I'm outside more. Winter's not a big problem, I stay inside most of the time, since it's so cold here.

Cats hate Vick's vaporub, too. :)
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 17, 2012
6:14 AM

Post #9208419

I spent a month camped out on the Arkansas river around Salida , and up at Fairplay last year . Came through Monte Vista on way back to Texas ,actually I was through there a year ago today. Wish I had known you then , we could have had a cup of coffee together .A couple of D G ers from Iowa joined us for a coupla weeks with their camper. Speaking of cold , it sleeted on us up in Fairplay , in July .
You have some serious ranches north of you up 285 . Are you in the apple growing area ? Seems like when I was through there years ago that some nice apple orchards were to the east and north a bit of you . Colorado is my favorite state , my son bow hunts elk on private property in the San Juan N F a little north of Durango and his F in law has a condo in Pagosa Springs . They just got back from a visit with him a few weeks ago .
Maybe your neighbors just like you .
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

July 17, 2012
5:28 PM

Post #9209410

Solace: welcome Aboard! Keep up the good work.

All: been on vacation. Very limited computer time. Everyone's doing a great job it appears!

Kent
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 17, 2012
7:42 PM

Post #9209580

How did your garden look when you got back from vacation Kent? Do you have someone to water?

Good you can get away.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 18, 2012
6:10 AM

Post #9209875

Kent , Where did you go and what did you see ? Post pictures , share with us that didn't get away this year .

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 18, 2012
10:37 AM

Post #9210212

Digger, wow, wish we could have met then. Salida area is beautiful. Did you do any rafting on the Arkansas? I'm not sure where those apple orchards you remember are, though there are some in the southeastern part of the Valley. Saguache county farms/ranches are beautiful. Nice alfalfa/hay farms, potatoes, barley, up there. There's lots of artesian water, too, but gov regulations made everyone cap the artesian wells because one of the former governors sold much of our water rights. The artesian wells used to gush up in the air all the time, and in the winter time the water would freeze into various shapes, it was beautiful. I cannot help but wonder how capping those is doing harm, substrata-wise, since this was a natural God-made occurrence, nor how it affects the wetlands area. I guess time will tell. I think common sense is becoming a valuable commodity, since it's so rare in some circles. I moved up here when I was a teenager, to the eastern side of the Valley. My folks met a guy that painted the San Luis Valley as a heaven on earth so they sold their business in southern New Mexico, and moved up here, sight unseen. They found an old adobe that had been built by a Japanese family years before, but the house was in shambles and unlivable. Undeterred, my parents, instead of seeing what it was, saw what it could be. We lived that first winter, without a bathroom (we had an outhouse in an age where virtually nobody had outhouses). The house had a hand pump on the well, but it had electricity, so we'd haul water inside in 5 gallon buckets. My dad was a plumber, so the next summer, we built a bathroom and had running water in the house. The place was on a creek, and the overflow wash made a great garden area, we had chickens, turkeys, goats, and even pigs. My mom was a seamstress, and so was I at sixteen, and she opened an upholstery shop and we stayed busy virtually all year. I learned a lot on that little farm. I left home to go to school, and came back to the Valley after about 22 years.
Next time you're up this way just let me know, and we'll do something!

Kent: Thank you, it's nice to be among friends. Glad you're back.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 18, 2012
11:17 AM

Post #9210246

Jnette, what a great idea with the cotton balls. I have cats, and would like to let one or more go to the greenhouse, once it's built, but worried that they would mess up the beds. Thank you for that tip! I have some raunchy smelling muscle linament that might work, too. Heck, it might even chase some bugs away, lol.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 18, 2012
11:24 AM

Post #9210266

Last night I watched several of these videos from Colorado State University Extension, regarding commercial greenhouse production, just to see how the big boys do it. Some very interesting information, here. http://campus.extension.org/course/view.php?id=424 - I felt like I was back in college :)
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 18, 2012
11:49 AM

Post #9210290

Solace, another DGer suggested Vicks. Yuck!! Even I would stay away from that. :0)

I think I would go with the hand lotion if it worked.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 19, 2012
10:42 AM

Post #9211428

I had saved some Hollyhock seeds from a flower bed back in 2004 or 2005 as well as some tall purple bell shaped flower seeds, and tried germinating some of the Hollyhock. Lo and behold they came up. This morning I got the paper bags of seed pods of both plants and broke the seeds out. I think I have enough seeds to cover the whole county! (Well, not quite that many but probably over 2,000). I figure if only 30% come up that will still be a lot of flowers next spring. I'm trying to decide whether to go ahead and start them, to give them a head start (since the Hollyhocks are bi-ennials and the purple ones are perrenials) or either wait until next May or June to plant them in the ground or start them in the greenhouse and transplant next year. They would take up a lot of room, though, which I hope to fill with vegetables. I welcome your thoughts on this, or experience and suggestions. The photo is the purple bell shaped flowers, not sure what they are. They came up volunteers and filled the bed.

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 19, 2012
12:15 PM

Post #9211541

Solace , I fell in love with Colorado on my first trip over Monarch Pass when they had the snow sheds . D H was transporting a mobile home to California and I went on all trips as sightseer and bookkeeper . I've seen all the states except three and Colorado has everything somewhere within it's boundaries that I feel close to . At one time , I wanted to be buried on the hillside above the snow sheds . Then I discovered the mountains into Estes park and on to Steamboat Springs. Hwy 14 was as close to God as I have ever been . Been both ways and it took my breath , the beauty .
Those farms and ranches area above you would have suited me when I was a young , new wife .
Didn't do any rafting , we went to dredge the Arkansas for gold . Water was too high , but enjoyed good friends and just being outside anyway . The Arkansas has very small gold , but lots of it, and the whole state has some good areas . That reminds me , I have to renew the membership to Gold Prospectors of Colorado , a very upstanding club .
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

July 19, 2012
2:16 PM

Post #9211654

Digger: actually it was a "staycation"! :-)

I stayed home while missus and 17 yr old daughter took trip to PA and NY.

Got 1,247 items done on the "honey-do" list!!

Kent
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 19, 2012
4:04 PM

Post #9211753

Solace have you googled Hollyhocks? Without really being that knowledgeable about them, I think you should winter sow them. i.e. sow them in late fall for next summer. And you might go ahead and start some in the spring in case they don't come up. That way you should have a nice bed of them. And, probably do the same with the others. Blue bell type.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 19, 2012
10:04 PM

Post #9212048

Yes , Kent , buuut, did it all pass inspection ? Just teasing .

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 21, 2012
4:14 PM

Post #9213681

-Digger, gold prospecting sounds fun.
-Jnette, thanks, I may just sow them this fall and see what happens.

Okay, friends, I took a stroll through the garden this afternoon, and there's green-bean-lift-off in the (Reid's Yellow Dent) corn bales! Yay! Just barely, but Yay! I have a feeling, as late in the season as it is, those bales are gonna get dragged into the greenhouse. :) It obviously doesn't take much to make me happy, does it? LOL
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

July 22, 2012
7:11 PM

Post #9215013

digger: everything passed!! I cleaned up the whole house, ate over the sink! LOL
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 22, 2012
7:33 PM

Post #9215035

Kent , your folks did a good job on you . Consideration of others is a great asset . But I should have known that .

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 23, 2012
12:03 PM

Post #9215811

I have green chile (Anaheim) LIFTOFF in the south row of bales. Hot diggity chiles. I think there's a green chile smothered burrito in my future! Well, after I share the "first fruits" with others. So excited about my baby chiles. :)
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 23, 2012
2:43 PM

Post #9216035

Tried to find roasted chilies last year when we went on down through N. M.late July . They weren't anywhere on the side of the road . Found out I could have gotten them in Santa Fe. We didn't drive around and look cuz we was pulling a popup trailer .
It's hard to cook anything with out them and I hate to buy the canned ones .
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 24, 2012
12:17 PM

Post #9217037

digger, I got mine from Hatch on line. If you are interested, I might have their website addy in my bookmarks. Think the least you can buy is 10 lbs, possibly 5.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 24, 2012
2:27 PM

Post #9217145

Thanks , Jnette , but not the same as buying hot off the roaster . I've looked at some of the sites including Hatch and they cost ten times as much .I found four packages in the freezer . I'll just be stingy with them .
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

July 28, 2012
10:00 AM

Post #9221449

digger: I saw you mentioned rooting suckers? I was always told to pinch them off.. I let a couple grow this year & got some decent tomatoes off them.. not quite as good as the ones on the main plant but ok.. What am I missing? Always looking for ways to use instead of throwing away or composting...
JaxGma
Warrenton, NC

July 28, 2012
10:17 AM

Post #9221474

Kent, you were right.. the tomatoes are growing up over the 6ft fencing! LOL!! All the rain we have gotten and it goes right around us here in Warrenton.. Only rains maybe once or twice a month but I have hardly ever had to water, these bales hold moisture so well!! Fighting squash bugs but still getting lots of squash.. Tomatoes are big, beautiful and plentiful.. Cucumbers are doing good, beans.. eh.. not sure what's going on there.. got lots of plants and they look pretty but no beans.. I mistakenly planted a vine bean I guess cuz they are everywhere...lol.. Averaging about 3 eggs a day now.. :-)

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Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 28, 2012
3:36 PM

Post #9221716

Sounds like you are doing alright Gmjax. Actually, real good. Have you fertilized your beans? I have never grown them, but you might check into that. Wonder about a high P as in NPK. Maybe that would produce something. I think you said you are getting vines but no beans?

Maybe someone who has grown them will get on here and tell you. Do you have rabbits? I always swore by rabbit manure. Best fertilizer ever. I just don't have any.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 28, 2012
4:35 PM

Post #9221763

Jax , all suckers will make another plant .
To prune or not ? Prune , bigger toms , and not to prune , more toms, but smaller . Personally , I like to prune , If early enough , more plants , free .
Next year , don't prune one plant and see what I'm talking about .Just make sure you compare it to like varieties .
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

July 28, 2012
4:54 PM

Post #9221781

I agree with the rabbit manure being great for beans. I think pole bean takes a little longer to mature, but that has just been my own experience. But this year with our drought here, my bush beans didn't do well either. I wasn't able to get any bales this year though so that is probably a big factor, I had a health problem to deal with as well and was practicly house bound from March to June. so didn't take very good care of my garden either. Had big plans, but ! Oh well maybe next year.
Was also going to raise chickens and sell eggs this winter but raccoons hit my flock just when they were starting to lay and all in all they got 16. It's not like I can just order more and replace them as the replacements would be months behind and new chicks with older pullets might not mix well either. I did go to war with the raccoons. Found that regular traps didn't work. They would snap the traps and go about their business. A light weight live trap was in-effective as they got back out. So I splurged and got a heavier live trap. It took a couple different nights but I caught the coons, They will not steal anymore chickens. I'm getting 7 to 12 eggs per day now and they are starting to get good size to them.
But with only about half enough laying hens. I might as well make a bunch of chicken dinners. and just keep enough to supply our house.
I am hoping for a better time next year, for gardening and everything in general.
An hey Sally; I wouldn't mind going prospecting again but I don't think Barb is up to it. But who knows what next year will bring.
digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 28, 2012
6:45 PM

Post #9221900

That's us Russ , don't know what next year will be . Haven't even gotten my feet wet this year . Love to all , hug Barb .

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 28, 2012
7:12 PM

Post #9221949

I have an 8-inch Okra plant that has its first bloom. Hey, I reserve the right to be proud, lol. I'll try to get a pic if the spider mites don't do it in, first. I love Okra blossoms, they're so beautiful. This one is tiny like the plant.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 28, 2012
8:10 PM

Post #9221991

Solace, I have tried red okras just for the blossoms and have never gotten any to that stage so you are doing great.

Russ, You know you and Barb will not use a dozen eggs a day, can you sell a couple or 3 dozen to Gary each week? Might pay for the food they eat. But, may not be worth your trouble. Is Jenny laying? If so, you better keep her. She looked like a good layer or maybe even a hefty dinner. OHHHHHH did I say that? Do what you need to.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 28, 2012
10:36 PM

Post #9222050

Oh, Jnette, I bought 24 hens last April, gave six to my daughter and her husband. I noticed that three of the barred rocks that I kept were getting unusually large combs. Well, now two of the "hens" are crowing in the morning. I've named the best crower Winchester, the one with the broken crow I think's going to be Don Knotts, and the third one just preens himself while the other roosters...ahem...hens are crowing. I don't think I can give them up, I've already gotten attached. Sigh. When they look at me with that one eye...
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 28, 2012
11:47 PM

Post #9222063

Well Solace, everyone has different issues. Russ has been around a lot longer than you have and he does not become attached to all the birds like you are doing. I guess, when you get older you are "more practical"? LOL, sorry Russ,

It is tough when you have to make a choice between a few chickens to winter over when they aren't producing and all they are doing is eating expensive food, and you have to go out in the snow when you really shouldn't be, to take care of them. Water iced over, fighting the raccoons off, etc.

You don't have to make any big decisions now do you Russ, you have the rest of the summer, or at least until the food runs out. :0)
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

July 29, 2012
10:49 AM

Post #9222482

Jeanette; I don't know which ones of the red sex-links ie' comets are laying, so I can't say that jenny is laying or not. but she did manage to survive all the attacks of the raccoons. I have now been getting 2 eggs a day from the 11 of those red chickens. The Barred rocks is anywhere from 7 to 10 eggs per day and there are only 10 of those.
I can't say I'm not attached 100% anyway as I would miss " their attachment" When I take old bread out to them. I usually sit on the feeder and they eat out of my hand. some of them jump up on my lap while eating, so they are pretty much pets too. If they weren't in the chicken tractor, they would probably follow me around.
Solace; If it weren't so far I would almost try trade you out of one of the roosters. But as Jeanette said, I don't need that many eggs and I should probably just cut back. I do like to get away once in a while. and that trip to Colorado, most probably would not have happened if we had, had the chickens at that time. I am giving some serious thought to getting a part time job, to help make ends meet and cut out some of the gardening and the chickens.

I am happy that those 2 raccoons will no longer be a problem but they already had cut my flock, nearly in half, so that has given me much discouragement.

Solace

Solace
Monte Vista, CO
(Zone 4a)

July 29, 2012
11:25 AM

Post #9222512

That's very sad about the loss of your chickens. Predators here are owls, eagles, hawks, stray dogs and cats, and coyotes. So far, I've not had a problem. They're pretty caged in a pen, but I'd like to let them roam all over the yard. An Owl got my cat a couple of years ago, so I'd have to put some kind of covering out there. Chicken wire or something. Right now they're in an 8 x 16 covered area, but they're eyeballing the top rails and spreading their wings. They get lots of greenery thrown in the pen along with scratch and pellets. I'm sure there are racoons nearer the river (Rio Grande) but that's a couple of miles away. The third rooster (no name as yet) I think crowed for the first time, today. That would sure hurt to get them killed by something. So sorry for your loss.

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digger9083
Dahlonega, GA

July 29, 2012
2:28 PM

Post #9222699

Raccoon is good meat . Clean as you would rabbit . I couldn't kill one as I had a pet coon one time . Did eat some once when a friend had it cooked already . Very good .
randbponder
Hornick, IA
(Zone 4b)

July 29, 2012
5:23 PM

Post #9222914

Yup looks just like my girls, that are laying already.
Jnette
Northeast, WA
(Zone 5a)

July 29, 2012
9:59 PM

Post #9223200

Well, for heaven's sake Russ, can't you get Gary or someone to take care of your animals when you are gone? Maybe have Connie stay for a week or 2? Come on. There is no reason to get rid of your pets just because you want to take a vacation.

Do you get the Parade magazine in your paper on Sundays? There was a short article on gold fever in it. If you don't get it, I will mail it to you.
KentNC
Wake Forest, NC

August 10, 2012
4:51 PM

Post #9237154

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