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morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 19, 2012
10:33 AM

Post #9129560

For the first time my girl Sago, and guy Sago are going into...don't know what it's called...heat?...at the same time!

So I understand if I shake the guy over the girl it will pollinate all the seeds.

Does anyone know how many seeds one lady has?

Trying to figure how much trouble this may be...

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morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 19, 2012
10:34 AM

Post #9129562

Here's the boy.

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Dean_W
Central Texas, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 19, 2012
10:39 AM

Post #9129563

Congrats! It's my understanding that it would help if you actually do some of the pollinating yourself. Bugs can be unpredictable. If I remember correctly it can be as many as 10-20 seeds from a plant. But don't take my word for it. Wait and see what someone else says.
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

May 19, 2012
2:44 PM

Post #9129789

I've always left it to the pollinators and have found there's around 15 to 20 seeds that develop. It may vary a bit between species.

palmbob

palmbob
Acton, CA
(Zone 8b)


May 19, 2012
3:31 PM

Post #9129814

yeah, only you live where there are natural cycad pollinators... we have no cycad pollinators in the USA except south Florida (Zamia pollinators).
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

May 20, 2012
12:09 AM

Post #9130165

Yes Geoff, but what you lack in 6 legged pollinators you probably more than make up in 2 legged pollinators :O)

If you remember from way back, that Cycas xipholepis I IDed. It's turned out to be a female and has been pollinated by what can only be C. armstrongii 2 years running now. Last years lot I have sprouted (well, radicals so far, no leaves yet) and this years lot are still ripening. But the down side of having the pollinators is that if I bring in any male Cycas species here then they'll contaminate the larger natural C. armstrongii population. So any I grow from seed will have to have the males culled out as soon as they become apparent. I like seeing the cones on them, but alas the outcome would be very irresponsible.

palmbob

palmbob
Acton, CA
(Zone 8b)


May 20, 2012
12:46 AM

Post #9130172

irresponsible perhaps if you plant them in the wild, but as cultivated plants, hybrid cycads can make awesome a and excellent ornamental specimens. Many cycad growers here love hybridizing these things, but there is little chance of any affecting a native population in this country.

morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 20, 2012
8:44 AM

Post #9130520

OK, so not 100 seeds or more even if I shake the guy over the girl?

tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

May 20, 2012
2:27 PM

Post #9130856

Morganc, I'd be surprised if you got over 20 or so. They're not huge seeders like some other plants. The seeds are large, around 20mm diameter, and take a while to ripen. When they germinate they put down a thick root but take about a year to produce a leaf.

Geoff, most of our Cycas species are fairly restricted in their range. C. armstrongii occurs in a radius of about 30 to 40 kms around me. I have lots growing naturally on my place, as does the whole neighbourhood. We're basically out bush/in the wild. Smallest property size is around 9 to10 hectares, lots much larger, with many of them just natural bushland. That's why I feel a responsibility to not contaminate and hope others feel the same. It would take a while, but I wouldn't want to leave that legacy. My Zamias, Bowenias, Lepidozamias aren't a problem, they're a long way from 'home'.

morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

May 20, 2012
11:04 PM

Post #9131394

Just potting up all the pups is time consuming...so maybe a nursery will want all the seeds?

palmbob

palmbob
Acton, CA
(Zone 8b)


May 21, 2012
12:52 AM

Post #9131406

my friend pollinates his Sagos by just dumping the pollen on the female when she is ready... he usually gets several hundred good seed per crop. Puts all seed on heated trays of moist cactus soil and gets about 90% success. Not too many nurseries here in So Cal would be interested in sago seed as they are so incredibly cheap and available nowadays.
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

May 21, 2012
1:30 AM

Post #9131415

You can try putting them up on the seed trade forum:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/f/trading/all/

You might find something else you want that someone is willing to trade.
daves_not_here
Las Vegas, NV
(Zone 9b)

June 5, 2012
9:41 AM

Post #9153184

What's happening in the nursery?

morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 6, 2012
6:59 AM

Post #9154380

Since we have had so much wind this spring, and the Sagos are so close, I let Mother Nature take it's course. The female has closed...don't know what comes next.
tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

June 6, 2012
8:10 PM

Post #9155254

It doesn't take long for the seeds to start to show up. It does take a long time for them to ripen. I usually leave them until they're ready to fall, ie just touch them lightly and they come away from the plant. If they do fall they don't go far (unless they're on a real slope).

morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 7, 2012
9:09 AM

Post #9155691

Well here is what they look like this morning...

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

June 7, 2012
6:53 PM

Post #9156363

That's looking good. The male cone is quite impressive.

morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

June 8, 2012
8:23 AM

Post #9156920

This is Texas... :-))
osborne311
Pensacola, FL
(Zone 8b)

February 11, 2013
4:55 PM

Post #9415964

Interesting thread - got me thinking. I inherited a HUGE female Sago when we moved to FL but it is the only Sago on the property except for the many pups I cut off from around the base which are rooting nicely. Those would be clones correct? In other words, they are all female?

Even though I am sure the answer is obvious, I am new to Cycads so going to ask.

Thanks

palmbob

palmbob
Acton, CA
(Zone 8b)


February 11, 2013
5:28 PM

Post #9416011

Yes
MamaHas
Heath, TX

July 24, 2013
8:38 AM

Post #9610484

My Sago finally just put up a male cone this spring. This is my first Sago to declare a gender :-) I do have a question. Do I just leave the cone on the plant until it comes loose or falls off? And how often will this plant put up a cone? Obviously these pics loaded out of order...

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morganc

morganc
Austin, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 24, 2013
9:58 PM

Post #9611193

You can leave in on...or, what we did the next time it grew...once it opened we cut it off.

I would like to know about the females though if anyone knows. Can you cut them off too?

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