Cheryl, I dont think these things are cosmos. they get 8 feet tall. The bloom is similar but the plant is quite different. My neighbor has cosmos, orange but they are different. I got these seeds from a trade years ago. The seeds dont look like cosmo seeds either. And, yes, Cheryl, the plumeria smells heavenly but not like popcorn to me. They are the lei flowers in Hawaii and I cant say what the fragrance reminds me of.
Thank you steady for the offer but I have so many seeds right now that I really have to do some research before I decide on new plants.
Not a flower yet but heading skyward. My flower stalks were not as tall as I thought they would be last year and maybe this years crop will be more typical.
I had never researched the name of the flowers the DG member sent me in a seed exchange. Cheryl, I think you are correct that these are indeed, Cosmos. I have no idea why mine are 8 feet tall and the guide says 24 to 36 inches. My neighbor's cosmos are in that short height range. The leaves on mine are much more numerous and larger than my neighbor's and mine much closer together on the stem. The seeds are slightly different but in the same ballpark. I looked at every type of marigold I could find and nothing matches better than the Cosmos. I even looked at swamp marigolds and marsh marigolds. So cosmos they are until I find otherwise. Thanks for the impetus you gave me to look them up.
The plant in the photo I posted is the top of an 8 foot tall plant that fell over which is what all of these plants do. I tried staking them and the limbs split off and fall. I guess the stems which are 2" diameter are too weak to support the branches. I tried pinching to make a stronger, more compact plant that might withstand the rain and wind but they still did not bloom until they were orver 5 feet.When they fall over, if the stem touches the soil, they root so I have cut these off and moved them which extended the life of the plant to some degree. They look nothing like Gina's which I found on research also.
Morgan, I grew the sunflower from seed. So easy to grow! I'm thinking of planting more to have for the fall. This particular variety doesn't get a really large flower head, but they do have several blooms on a stalk. The tallest one I have is probably about 6' tall. I have them staked on some bamboo stalks. The color isn't as deep a golden yellow as some, but it's still pretty.
Here it is today fully opened. In the second pic you can see more buds. The third pic is another sunflower opening on another stalk.
stephanie - the color is what I noticed first about it...I LOVE the softer yellow. Would they bloom before a freeze if you planted from seed now? I might go get some seed if so. Sunflowers are such happy blooms!! :-))
Since I didn't write down when I planted these, I can't tell you how long it took them to flower, but I want to say it's not been more than 3 months because I planted them late. (Story of my life!) If you planted within the next week, I'd bet they'd do well.
Marty, those marigolds look like my heirloom ones from my grandmother's garden. Mine can get very tall as well and as the weather changes so does the intensity of the bloom color. Right now I have one that has yellow, orange and some orange with a darker orange stripe all on the same plant. All the blooms that formed when we were over 100 are yellow and the later ones are coming in dark orange again.
They are the same plant. My grandmother always called them marigolds which is why I call them that. They were the only single one she had in her garden. I'm not going to argue, they can be a cosmos or whatever they like because they bloom profusely and withstand the heat.
In Mass. I always grew cosmos--there are lots of different cultivars, some extra-tall, some extra-short, some double, some pink, some orange, some early, some late, etc. And it grows differently depending on soil, water, everything of course.
That little Hummingbird Moth was moving so fast from flower to flower that I just stood there there clicking the camera. Got lots of blur and lots of nothing. But I swear I got one where it looks like it has feathers!!!
It's little head isn't showing, but look at the body.
Lastly, for today (and for Morgan), the sunflowers just keep cranking out the flowers.
The ladder is 6' tall and the tallest of the sunflowers (in the middle) is at least 2' taller than the ladder. Not sure why they all didn't get the same height, but I have a feeling it has something to do with the amount of light received.
MorganC, that's a Titan Sphinx (Aellopos titan) that you've got there. And I know exactly what you mean about how fast they are! You've got some nice pics. They are incredibly fast and never sit still for long at all.
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tx-this one I started from a cutting taken from my dad's neighbor's bush. I grew up next door to them and they have several native plants in their yard. (The lady was my Girl Scout leader for about 6 years!) She and her husband generously welcomed me to take cuttings. I have had several volunteers from this plant and usually find them early spring or even in the fall in other places in my yard thanks to the birds.
Even the butterflies are enjoying the sunflowers!
My petunias from Josephine are starting to bloom.
The first Cowpen Daisy bloom of the year. I really love these happy flowers.
The (dis)Obedient plants have started blooming. They're so tall this year! In this spot, they're actually very well behaved.
My TCU purple tall Mexican Petunias are still doing well. They do well in the heavily shaded side driveway.
I have a sunflower bouquet in the backyard veggie garden this morning. So pretty to see above the okra and tomato plants. I planted some Mammoth Gray Stripe sunflower seeds a week ago. They've all germinated except 2! I transplanted one seedling this morning into a spot where none had germinated. I think that's pretty good considering that the seeds were 2 years old. I received them from Michael at a fall RU.
If you need some white petunia in with your TCU ones, I have them. I see your foetita passi isn't being eaten by the Gulf Frits...mine isn't either and I will have to cut it back before long if they don't start!
Thanks Jo! This plant has so many names Obedient Plant, Dragon Flower, Come Again and something else. I did not know what to call it. Linda saw it and told me to save her some seeds. Are you kidding, I asked her? This plant is a runner its everywhere! Also Jo, I just remembered what that other stuff is out there, I think its the Golden Rod you gave me. When does it flower? I haven't see it flower in years, because the yard man had been cutting it down. I am going to block it off tomorrow :)!
Thought I would jump in at the end of the month with my neatest surprise, a couple green zinnias. Earlier this year I cast a bunch of seeds that had been moldering in a drawer for ages. So far these are the only hint of any of them. I know this because I have never even seen lime green zinnias in real life.
Also my daisies from the RU are really attracting black swallowtails. I am truly in love with them, the daisies that is, can't remember who gave the one to me but thanks again!!!!!
Baja, are you talking about my yellow daisies? If so, they are lowly cowpen daisies that I got from the RU in Burleson this spring. Awesome flowers, haven't stopped growing or blooming since I planted them.
A little advice please. I transplanted my Passiflora to get it in more sun. It hasn't bloomed yet. Is that common for the first year? It has always bloomed some, but there were so many little pods that didn't open that I thought it needed more sun. I'm not really sure it even gets enough now. It was on the west, mostly shaded side of the house. Now it's on the SE side, but amongst the cannas and datura. It seems to be healthy, but just not blooming.
I have the same problem Sybram. I tried more water and I got a few blooms and hundreds of buds that dry up. Someone told me to put some phosphorus on it.
I chopped it down when it got ugly, now its coming back with a vengeance.
Sybil, my passi didn't bloom until late fall the first year I had it, so I wouldn't really worry about it. As long as it continues to grow and establish a good root system, it'll come back next year with a vengeance and you'll have tons of blooms.
steadycam3 wrote:Cheryl, I dont think these things are cosmos. they get 8 feet tall. The bloom is similar but the plant is quite different. My neighbor has cosmos, orange but they are different. I got these seeds from a trade years ago. The seeds dont look like cosmo seeds either. And, yes, Cheryl, the plumeria smells heavenly but not like popcorn to me. They are the lei flowers in Hawaii and I cant say what the fragrance reminds me of.
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They grow wild in the Himalayas. The British took them and the Cosmos you see now days was bred from them.
Steady, I was responding to the comment "the British took them and the Cosmos you see now days was bred from them," because I do not think the heritage of garden cosmos is from Asia but rather from Mexico. I cannot comment on your yellowy-orange very tall flowers--I had totally lost track of that part of the thread! I was only responding to the comment about Cosmos being from the Himalayans.
Cosmos sulphureus (Yellow Cosmos) - the species native to the Americas - is my favorite and the one I recommend you try if you have never grown cosmos.. Plants of yellow cosmos can range in height from 4 to 7 feet but the cultivated varieties such as 'Crest Red', 'Ladybird Dwarf Red', 'Ladybird Dwarf Gold', 'Ladybird Dwarf Orange', 'Ladybird Dwarf Lemon', and Yellow Cosmos - Klondyke Mix are not as tall.
The above is from Aggie Horticulture and explains the variation in height.
Maybe on the packet its marked Mexico but i wrote what i did after seeing them grow wild with my own eyes. Its a very old variety and they do catch a eye and require close up investigation. Should come over and look at the wild ancestors of modern day garden plants. :)
Since we can't do that, could you send a picture? It's all the sources online which say it was discovered in Mexico. Not just Wikipedia, but other places as well, like the Texas Agricultural Site and the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center in Texas. I read that it was introduced by the British, as you say, to Japan and the East. Couldn't it have escaped cultivation there, as so many other plants did under colonialism? (Lantana, for instance.)
I would love to post pics but so far I have not come across any thread concerning wild flowers, only garden variety. There should be a thread some where, if you could point me in the right direction. No hurry. The mountains are entering winter (will keep an eye open for winter flowers) so until the third month every thing will go into hibernation. The correct botanical names you all may have to provide but lets see if i can find the wild ancestor of the well known strawberry. Daisies, Cosmos, Lupins, Magnolias, Rhododendrons, Ferns, Mosses, Lichens, etc but as it is all a kind of general collection of plants, for example Euphorbias (ours), Rihpsalis (ours). These tangents seem to lead to all corners. So, to keep confusion at bay, a thread is required.
Seems like a start of a new adventure never considered by me when i stepped in. It might be slow due to a damaged spine, lower body loses sensation at 50 kilometres so breaks are a must.
Thank you very much for your kind gesture. Lets be honest, i entered Marigolds in search and ended up on this forum. If there had been no tracking of past posts i would not even have found it again. When according to my arid climate i search for any thing, i seem to end up in Texas? That Cosmos caught my eye and the query. I will do as the both of you have so kindly suggested. Lets see. Any way, this part of the world cannot be called a tropical zone by any stretch of the imagination. We fry at 50 Celsius while our winters. now that is complicated. South, maybe 5 Celsius and the extreme North forget it, it never thaws. In my city garden (plateau) it is minus 4 Celsius and my half acre nursery minus 13 Celsius. Distance between the two is thirty kilometres.
Another requirement to be called tropical is humidity at near 100% while ours ranges normally below thirty. So, maybe Texas is same, i don't know.
Oh, I was the dope who suggested the tropical forum. There is a desert forum too... I will admit that I know about a million percent more about your climate after reading your post than I did before, meaning before I read it I knew nothing at all. Now I don't know much, but I know that you call it "arid." (50 C = 122 F for those people like me who don't remember the formula from 6th grade.) Welcome to Texas.
I have learned there are two cosmos, the one from South America that gave rise to our garden cosmos and another one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos_caudatus
There's your native Pakistani cosmos, right? Almost but not exactly the same as the one we have in seed packages.
LoL. Thank you for appreciating.
Yes, i suppose we could be fitted in a desert forum but there is a strange twist to our climate. We have the Monsoons, when it never rains but it pours. 100% humidity levels are reached in the rainy season. July and August are wet. I cannot call any Himalayan plant as native Pakistani either. China, India, Nepal, Sikkim, Tibet, etc the Himalayas belongs to them also. So naming them Pakistani is a bit dishonest. The bio diversity belongs to humanity not to one single race or creed. As to what happened to the wild Cosmos, Daisy, etc i think we need to take a peek into colonial history and what were the gardeners and botanists of that period up to. Their attempts at hybridisation must be a part of botanical history. Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew should have it somewhere in their archives.
Thank you very much both, that blossom is really a light to medium pink and smells awful. A pungent, sour smell. Just to show you what this area looks like i will post a pic. Being the foothills of the Himalayas which you can see in the background ( Himalayas sprawls for hundreds of miles across several countries, mine is the NW'st quadrant where the Hindu Khush and Himalayas meet at the Pamirs).
What you will see are miles and miles of Black sally (Acacia modesta), a vital habitat for endangered species. Phulai in local dialect. Pomegernates and Rangoon vine.
Yes its a beautiful part of the world. I cant agree to country because its shared by other countries also. You should visit Nepal which is at peace (with it self) and explore the Himalayas, maybe go see what grows at the base of the worlds tallest mountain.
Humidity. Normally its below 30% except during Monsoons but we are not a tropical country. Try Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Indonesia if you like 100% all year long but they have a up side also. May have 100% moisture but there max/min temp ranges between 28c to 32c year round. Now, those are ideal growing conditions. We are arid and only thorns seem to grow here and thorns have a beauty of their own. :).
As this thread starts with Passiflora, let me show you two first season vines having a good time.
Oh, you're welcome, Josephine. I was mostly thinking of our friend from Pakistan! Things like that will start me researching and asking questions and next thing you know ... out it comes the other end, so to speak. (Not a lovely image. Sorry.)
These are all growing in the wild and i can't lay claim to any that they belong to this part of the world. Marvel of Peru?
Our climate matches thats why i end up in Texas but other things can also be grown or will grow if it finds the proper niche system it likes.