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A maze of Noids

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

I find myself with many Noids as I end up my project of adding on to my greenhouse (doubling size) which has entailed having to move many plants with resultant breakage of stems. Just moving materials through the area caused many small problems. I found myself putting three to five different Noids together in pots. I wonder how this will come 0ut when these plants get blooming size? Ones from early in the project appear to have rooted already. I also found several cases where one plant had branched into a surrounding plant nd rooted and already formed a rather large new base. I'm wondering how others have handled these unnamed plants.
Do you keep them and try to identify them when they bloom or do you just dump them? Do you let them grow awhile and then trade them? Do others want Noids? Just asking. bob

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Ellerbe, NC(Zone 8a)

Hi Bob,

My collection is still small and relatively new so I'm not faced with your problem. I do know that noids are sold on ebay, usually lumped together in a group with pictures of the blooms. Some people don't care about names and just want pictures of the flowers so they know what they're bidding on.

Rox

Santa Ana, CA(Zone 10b)

My Orchids need tags. Only half of my 14 Epis have names, but I don't have any intention of selling them. For trades, I let the pictures do the talking, with the exception of the few different types such as crenatum and oxypetalum. I definately want to know if they are night bloomers or Dragon fruit though!

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

Is a noid the name for unknown?
I can take all that fall that you don't want to deal with as I am making back room into a greenhouse till next spring. LOL

Lavina

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Good for you Lavina. You have given me so much and I will be happy to share with you---some will be rooted Noids and some will be rooted hybrids that I know the name for. Happy gardening girl. All below will be included. bob

Pictures are: Oxypetalum, Space Rocket, Alchemy, German Empress and Mor Mor

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Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

What a nice surprise to start my morning.
Lavina

(Ang) Bremerton, WA(Zone 8b)

I keep them. If they arrive as noids I put them in a "group" pot unless the person has sent a description or has a picture, like OCCAROL did. If it's a basic color description I'll group them by colors. Sometimes I'll receive cuttings and not be able to read the name.

I'm restarting my collection* and just received a box of cuttings today, I can't read the names on half of them. I have three rooted cuttings already and two are noids. ^_^

*- long depressing story.

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

I for some reason find looking at EPI blooms makes me happy. I think i have gone daff
Love all these plants
Lavina

Santa Ana, CA(Zone 10b)

LaviniaMae, How can you NOT love them? They are space hogs, and only bloom once a year, but they are so spectacular when they bloom, it's worth the wait, and they aren't fussy to grow.

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

OC if we lived closer I think we would be great friends. I've started to name my plants like pets as they mature to blooming size. Each plant establishes it's own worth when it blooms. I see the 300+ that haven't bloomed yet as emerging new personalities that bloom to make me happy.! I got a lot of good times ahead.


Red Schlum(bushel basket size), April Showers; Akermani, Wild Thing, Caroline

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Santa Ana, CA(Zone 10b)

Maybe, but I treat my plants the same way I treated my cats...survive or don't. I think you are alot more dedicated than that! I used to be more caring, but as age increases, my fussing decreases.

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Here are some more of my good friends that I haven't highlighted yet.

Golden Dancer Schlum, Aster Strictum, Fiesta de Flores, Vista Sun, German Empress

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Pawleys Island, SC

I love it, I am not the only one who does these things. I now have more noid orchid cacti than named varieties. I was in the greenhouse this morning waking them up and thinking I really need to re-label them while I can still read the tags and before they all become orphans. I cannot stand to throw away a cutting. So I too will pot them up, either in a clump, or a smaller pot. I have found that trying to identify them when they bloom is like trying to tell a bunch of baby quaker parrots apart. You just can't do it. I did the happy dance this morning because I found some cuttings in a basket that was still outside, but they were fine. They had not frozen or rotted. Needless to say I am potting them up this afternoon.

Chickenville, FL(Zone 9a)

Those are gorgeous. What kind of fertilizer do you use for them?

Pawleys Island, SC

10-10-10 once a month from march - November and then nothing through the winter.

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Remember you want to throw some bloombuster on the
m in late Feb-early March to get buds started. bob

Pawleys Island, SC

Bob, What is the bloom buster you are talking about? Is it something you order or can I get it most anywhere? I would sure love to see more blooms this year.

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Go to Wal Mart or Lowes and you will see the term "bloombuster" on small cans/cartons of fertilizer. It will have a series of numbers on it like 10-54-10 where the middle number is way larger than the other two. This means that this fertilizer will better produce blooms on your plant rather than a fertilizer like 10-10-10 which I generally use.
Fertilizer containers usually have a set of numbers that represent the levels of major nutrients contained in the fertilizer. These numbers indicate the level of Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium (NPK) in the fertilizer.
Nitrogen (N) is the first number and is basic for good plant growth.
Phosphorus (P) represents the middle number. This encourages root growth, bloom and fruiting.
Potassium (K) is the third number on the bag and helps plants to resist disease.
Growers want Phosphorus for their plants in early spring to aid in plant bloom and fruiting.

I've heard a lot of arguing over this with a lot of people opting for the use of a middle ground fertilizer like 10-10-10 year round. It has equal parts of all three NPK. My Extension Agent advises to up the Phosphorus to encourage bloom rather than encourage general growth early in the season. I feel that she is right in this assumption,.

General 10-10-10 March-Oct. Nothing Nov-Feb. In late Feb, use a bloom buster like 10-54-10 or any other grade with the highest nutrient being the middle one--Phosphorus. I fertilize once per month by hand or in my water supply.
bob (I know you have seen some of these pictures but they brighten my day and many people seem to enjoy)

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Duluth, GA(Zone 7b)

Hi orchidman1, do you dilute the bloombuster fertilizer as directed on the package, or do you dilute it so that it's less concentrated than recommended?

Your pictures of your epies and Schlums are gorgeous, thanks for posting them, and for sharing your info about plant care. Annette

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

If instructions call for diluting, I will usually place granules in a gallon bucket of water and then run it through my overhead watering system which further dilutes it. If dilution is not called for, I just throw it on the shelved plants just as if It were my lawn. I've never had a problem with this method and this is how I normally handle my 10X10X10 applications
. bob

Duluth, GA(Zone 7b)

Thanks for the info bob, I greatly appreciate it. This is the 3rd-4th year of growing these plants from cuttings, and I hope to see some blooms this year. Annette

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

I recently have found 5 plants with blooms started in my collection. If you are like me and have many plants together in one area, you may lose sight of which plants you have that are starting to bud. I purchased some of those survey flags that consist of a small flag of orange plastic mounted on a metal wire. Now I carry a couple of flags with me when viewing the plants and stick them anywhere I find new buds. Now I can find and watch the development of the buds much easier. bob


Last Year's blooms: Mor Mor, Vista Sun, Wild Thing, German Empress, Caroline

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Duluth, GA(Zone 7b)

Bob, thanks for the great tip about the survey flags. I already have some, now I'll be able to put them to good use.

Your blooms are gorgeous. I do have Vista Sun and Wild Thing that I've grown from cuttings. Thanks for showing an example of what they look like.

I've now also got a lot on pieces that are casualties from when I brought the plants in last fall. I need to pot them up, and I guess wait for them to bloom to figure out what they are. Annette

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Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Annette: If you have more than a couple plants, You may want to note what plants are located around where you find your broken pieces. That way you have some clues when it comes time to identify them. bob

Duluth, GA(Zone 7b)

Thanks again Bob, I'll have do that next year. This year the pieces are now all mixed up, so I'll have to wait till they bloom to ID them. Annette

Baltimore, MD(Zone 7a)

Bob--
We talked on some other Thread---

My Epi that I posted--you had no ID for. So--looking at yours here--It is most like your
"Wild Thing". is that a real name? or is it one of your christened names--like your friends...

And--BTW--I really do not care about names! Here in Baltimore--not too many people evn
have Epis. I only have three. I enjoy em--and I curse them--as they grow so LARGE and lanky.
In the winter--i have to bring everything inside. These heavy Epis hang from the usual ceiling hook.
One of these days--I will hear a big CRASH--because their weight pulled out the hook.
I DO live in fear of that....especially my Ric-Rac. That thing weighs a ton!!!

Here is mine. Be it "Crazy thing"--or whatever......Gita

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Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Yes Wild Thing is a real name. Hybrids are named rather loosely. I do think your picture may be Wild Thing.
I have had several plants fall in the greenhouse without any damage to the plants. They are tougher than they look.

Baltimore, MD(Zone 7a)

Oh, Bob----

I do not fear the damage to the Epis--if they fall--It is that them falling down will wipe out
about 12 different plants below them.
IF any sections break off of the BIG plants--it will just give me more pieces to root and share.

Remember this picture I sent you? Gita

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Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Beautiful!

Pawleys Island, SC

ooh, that wild thing is gorgeous! I am finally on the mend again. I quit my job and that has helped a lot. Now I am working in the yard and greenhouse every spare minute.
Bob I haven't forgotten our trade. I had neglected some of my plants so much that it is a miracle they survived at all. Several have been moved into icu. Maybe I can pamper them enough to bring them back to their former glory.
Anyway, I just wanted to pop in and say Hi.

Wishing you all lots of blooms.
Linda

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Hey Linda. I now have 24 plants flagged as having buds so I am really looking forward to this blooming season. Most of these are first time blooms. I think I'll move my collection outside as soon as the blooms subside and leave them outside until November. That should give them a healthy boost. However, I tend to fill any empty space in the greenhouse which could cause problems when Nov. rolls around again. bob

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Pawleys Island, SC

I can relate to the empty space in the greenhouse Bob, I took my epi's out this past week and my hubby moved in another shelving unit for me, so I am rooting a lot of other things right now and wondering what I will do when the time comes to protect the epi's again. LOL
We had to have some trees taken down in the back yard, so some of my epi's are now just sitting in their pots in the flower beds. I had a brainstorm ( sometimes a scary thing the way my brain works ) the other day and put smaller pots of soil around the pots in the flower beds. Now the epis that are draping over the pots in the flower beds are draping right into the smaller pots and will root themselves. Last year, they rooted themselves into anything they could reach, so I decided I would make it easy for them this year. I am calling it my octopus rooting method. I will send pics later on. I need to get busy this morning.
Bob, what did you do to already have buds? I know what you've told me, but I must not be doing something right.

Wrightstown, NJ(Zone 7a)

Linda, you never ever stop amazing me. That is a marvelous idea to put those pots beside your epi's....the one you sent me is growing up, out and all over. I am not sure if I should cut it back and make more, or what? It has not bloomed because it is still a young plant I assume. It is in a 10 inch pot and this is the second year I have had it. It has about a two foot center stem going straight up and on the top of that it is getting new sprouts. Crazy looking and I am wondering if I need to trim it to keep it healthy. I am really very new at these Epis and I have so much learning to do. Is the Disocactus an Epi..............(sorry if that is a dumb question)?
JB

Baltimore, MD(Zone 7a)

JB--

I waited 6 years before one of my Epis bloomed. Let them be--they will do it when they decide--
usually when they fill the pot with roots.
My Ric Rac I have now had for 8 years--and it has only bloomed once.

Also--"orchid man" above said that if you EVER need to cut an Epi back--
remove the whole frond from the base. Do not just cut the tip off--as then it will branch out from there
an will create a sloppy appearance...

Did you read the whole Thread above? Lots of good info on there.
Gita

Wrightstown, NJ(Zone 7a)

Gita, there is so much good info on all these threads there is no way I read all of it. I do appreciate being able to go back and ask. The line of least resistance is the one someone my age likes. Your pale salmon CC you sent me is blooming and it is beautiful. It is in the greenhouse on the bottom shelf with some other babies I am waiting for to grow and it looks super good. I am going to have to bring it in the house soon. This month I am hoping to make room inside by putting the big things outside for the next six months. Sorry, did not mean to stray from Epis just do not have time to find a thread to put this on. Love you. JB

Pawleys Island, SC

Jb, I can never keep up with all the info here either. I am just so happy it is here when I need to know something. Gita, it is good to see you too.

Here are the pics as promised. It was just a wild thought that came to me yesterday, so I thought I would try it. I know 1 summer I had several epi's root themselves in my flowerbed, so this time, I am just making sure they are finding a pot close by and labeling them ahead of time.

Today, I potted up a lot of noid's that were rooted in 4 inch pots. ( these were the ones that had been badly neglected over the past year or a little longer). I filled several 16-20" pots with as many rooted plants as I could fit and I want to feed them and see what happens. I hope it turns out well. I just don't have room for all of them and I couldn't stand the thought of composting the.

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Wrightstown, NJ(Zone 7a)

I am about to put mine outside. Would morning sun be best or very hot late afternoon sun?

Santa Ana, CA(Zone 10b)

Definitely morning sun! I had one of mine in afternoon sun while it's tree was being trimmed, and it got fried. I just cut about half of the leaves off, as they went from orange, to brown, to black. Fortunately, there are lots of new ones coming out, but there won't be but a couple of blooms on that one this year. Filtered sun is always best.

Wrightstown, NJ(Zone 7a)

Thanks Carol. I will give it Morning sun since we have so few shade trees here. I am sure it will be happy there. The other plants that prefer filtered sun do well on that deck also. Thanks again. JB

Deep Run, NC(Zone 7b)

Concerning NOIDS, I have two that have budded while still small cuttings It will be interesting to try to identify them when they bloom which I think they will since the buds have gotten very big. bob

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