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I'd been pulling off the tops of Echies when they dried and was planting them hoping for new echies...what I didn't know was that I was planting the pods, but not seeds of echie...just found that out in Birds and Blooms...just went to my echie field and sure enough, just before they turn brown they have strange "lumps" in and on the pod...those are the seeds, once they dry the seeds disperse and naturalize...what a revelation...thanks for listening