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popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 3, 2012
3:16 PM

Post #9228563

A few flowers today-
Portlandia grandiflora, Cubanola domingensis, Juanulloa aurantiaca in Mesua ferrea leaves.

David, Fl

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tropicbreeze
noonamah
Australia

August 3, 2012
5:49 PM

Post #9228721

David, those look nice. We've just come through mid winter so it's not long and our rains will come. Time to start thinking about what new plants to get. Although, I've been getting a few through winter, it's far better to plant in the rainy season. I'd like to find some of that Portlandia.
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 4, 2012
11:17 AM

Post #9229389

The Portlandia is very nice, can't tell from that pic, but in this one (it isns't very good so I didn't post it initially) the flowers are big-5 or 6 inches long. Plus it blooms when small and pretty often but doesn't set seed much so is pretty rare. Also have P albiflora which has very similar, flowers just a little smaller. The one I want now has smaller flowers but they are bright red, P coccinea. Have never even seen that one.

David, Fl

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floridabunnie
Cape Coral, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 10, 2012
7:26 PM

Post #9237297

Hi David -

those are georgous! Where did you get them, from somewhere locally or did you mail order?
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 11, 2012
4:54 AM

Post #9237482

Portlandia is a genus I have had interest in for quite some time and searched for a long time to find these (Cubanola used to be in the genus). I an not real sure were I got them, but I have seen them on toptropicals. Jaunuolla is a little easier to get, got that at a nusrsery in Sarasoa but have seen that at plant sales and a few mail-order places. The Juanuolla was very slow growing, didn't do anything for awhile, now it grows fast and blooms pretty much as long is it is warm. The Portlandias (I have other species) and Cubanola all have an amazing smell during the might,

Cubanola flowers are so ciool, very long and narrow (as you can see) and last longer, were on the plant for just about 2 weeks, giving my room a wonderful smell at night (pant is small and mobile.) The flowers onit and the Poatlandia sps. always come in pairs.

David
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 15, 2013
12:38 AM

Post #9631120

Where can I find this plant? Anyone know??
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 16, 2013
5:35 PM

Post #9632842

I am rooting some of the last one, have seedlings of Cubanola. The first two are tough to find.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 17, 2013
11:59 AM

Post #9633391

Ah, good fortune lead me to this! I was going nuts trying to find the name of the Cubanola domingensis..I knew it was Cuba...something...This saved me some time!
My small plant is loading up with blooms, never seen that many before..which had me searching.
thanks..
Rj
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 17, 2013
5:16 PM

Post #9633668

That is an awesome plant in bloom
David
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 17, 2013
6:48 PM

Post #9633746

Great. I have been wanting this plant for a bit. If they are up for sale I would like to purchase one please.
toy747
South Florida, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 20, 2013
7:24 AM

Post #9636032

Very beautiful plants! Do you have them in the ground or in containers?


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popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 20, 2013
6:15 PM

Post #9636640

Containers, in south Florida they could go in the ground

David
toy747
South Florida, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 20, 2013
7:29 PM

Post #9636727

Do you know how much sun the Juanulloa aurantiaca can take?
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 20, 2013
8:25 PM

Post #9636769

Mine is in full sun
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 21, 2013
12:04 AM

Post #9636830

What kind of fertilizer? Acidic or Alkaline? Can I treat them like a Brugmansia?
toy747
South Florida, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 21, 2013
4:28 AM

Post #9636910

Thanks for the info. I read they needed shade. I have a spot that gets sun until about 1PM. I was worried it would get too much sun but if you have yours in full sun it should be fine.
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 21, 2013
11:50 AM

Post #9637319

I guess when I said full sun I meant it had at least 6 hours of sun a day. Mine gets sun till about 2, then is in shade. It has grown a ton and flowered much more since I moved it into that site. Just watch the water. I use a fast draining soil less media that does hold some water but i have to be careful, it get very unhappy if it dries out.

David
toy747
South Florida, FL
(Zone 10b)

August 21, 2013
1:13 PM

Post #9637381

Thanks so much!
I'll definitely be getting one.
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 21, 2013
7:06 PM

Post #9637642

I love it, blooms all the warm months.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 24, 2013
12:34 PM

Post #9640149

Mine is dropping buds, may need repotted, small pot. I fertilized mine with hibiscus fertilizer and it went crazy putting out buds, may be too many for it to handle in small pot. I just moved it to more shade. Don't want to re pot during blooms...thoughts??
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 24, 2013
1:54 PM

Post #9640212

Thanks bunches Dave
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 24, 2013
3:32 PM

Post #9640277

Mine is in a large pot, but the plant is huge so I don't know if it's roots are tight. Use a foliar fertilizer a couple times a month. If it's got blooms I'd leave it, I have noticed if I move it it will drop buds, so I'd wait, probably to spring, unless it goes in a hothouse and grows during the winter (mine does unless it doesn't get enough water, drops it's leaves).

Got a pic RJ?
David
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 24, 2013
4:57 PM

Post #9640341

Thanks for advice,it does go to green house in winter. Have pic on phone but don't think we can upload to DG yet?
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 24, 2013
5:38 PM

Post #9640379

here it is, a wee scrappy

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popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 25, 2013
8:15 AM

Post #9640824

That is a beauty. My last post was About Juanualla. If leave that alone until after it blooms. Then repot right away, our areas have enough time before it cools off so shouldn't go into total shock. Don't think the plants get real full until, if ever, they get large. It's a very nice looking plant!

David
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 25, 2013
9:43 AM

Post #9640898

It must be stressed, it dropped more buds last night. Might try the foliar feeding, but prob just need to leave it alone!
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 25, 2013
11:23 AM

Post #9640969

Probably didn't like having its picture taken. I have notice when they form buds its best to just leave them alone. Once they open I bring it inside to enjoy the smell.

d
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 25, 2013
11:29 AM

Post #9640976

rjuddharrison ~ Looks stressed to me but I am no expert. Would a drop or two of super thrive help any?

Rhapsody
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 25, 2013
3:35 PM

Post #9641164

It might, but I think I'd be on the verge of "loving it to death"

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 26, 2013
6:24 PM

Post #9642325

SuperThrive? Oh, Rhapsody, I wish you hadn't mentioned it! Have you noticed recently the new packaging card on it no longer contains all the outrageous hype it used to?

I have never, ever seen so much hype crammed on one packaging card. The whole 5in. by 8in card attached to the bottle was filled with outrageous claims, bogus statements like "BioUsables" "Millions of molecules of World's science Miracles in each drop". Yikes, talk about sounding too good to be true!

Everybody who has had doubts and done a bit of digging has come up with startling facts - this product is banned in several states because it contains an unregulated growth hormone. It should be kept cool, and loses its potency over time if kept outdoors (like my 4-yr. old bottle was). Its main ingredient is vitamin B1, and there are lots of studies showing that vitamins in general are not beneficial to plants. The concensus (so far) seems to be that all it really does is stimulate root growth, and it should not be sprayed on the foliage of orchids, or any other plant in bud or flower, as it can cause deformed flowers and other anomalies.

Scroll down this thread http://www.orchidboard.com/community/beginner-discussion/322... to a long post by Ray Barkalow, who did his own small informal study on it.

Then this fellow seems to have gone much further into researching it http://forum.grasscity.com/absolute-beginners/886436-all-you...

I am still on the quest, but what does everyone think about this? Is it just another potion that you're afraid to stop using because it "might be doing some good"? Our society spends billions on vitamins, supplements and "cures" that people buy because of hype, and then are afraid to stop. But to me, here's the most damning thing so far, in tiny print on the bottom of the back of the card, so small I had to use a magnifying glass to read it, it says:

"NON-WARRANTY: Makers cannot be responsible for use, whether or not thought to be according to directions (which have seemed valuable to 100% of users following them). However, write, with your phone number if you have a question on how to have easier plant success with SUPERthrive."

So much for their Double Money Back Guarantee, Greatest Guarantee- Offer PROOF Ever, Guarantee to be World Champion. (of what?) They did win a science medal at the 1940 World's Fair . . .

Bottom line - use it for rooting cuttings and transplants but never, ever spray it on a blooming plant. That stuff is expensive snake oil if ever there was some. jmho.

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Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 26, 2013
6:32 PM

Post #9642336

WOW. All of that for a simple suggestion. Thank you.
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 27, 2013
5:23 AM

Post #9642590

I have found the are certain chemicals called Recovery and the like that also help cuttings and newly acquired plants (eBayers!) to get over the shock.

As for plants that I am repotting I add some sort of conditioner or fertilizer that has humus and the various forms of beneficial bacteria/fungi. The are many, from $ to $$$$$, and some are crap. But I see a huge increase in root mass and growth in the plants. I have found my favorites, both a soil additive and fertilizers, but each area probably has different choice and plant different needs.

Something to keep in mind

dp

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 27, 2013
7:18 AM

Post #9642676

Yes, sorry for the long rant there, Rhapsody. It's just that I really resent the high price of that little bottle of magic potion, and also feeling like a fool for not reading the outrageous label first.
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 27, 2013
9:54 AM

Post #9642840

Elaine, the guy who invented it died a year or so ago and the formula has changed. Don't really know if it si better or wrose but the price has dropped and you can get it at Walmart now. I have never used it for foliar application but find it does help with transplant shock and rejuvenating dried up container plants and hanging baskets. A good soak and they are back to normal.

I shunned it for years because of the silly hype but when I personally saw respected growers using it I figured it could not be all bad.
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 27, 2013
10:04 AM

Post #9642853

I too know people that swear by it. I found other things work better.

dp
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 27, 2013
3:01 PM

Post #9643127

I have a Friend who uses it on the plants he takes care of at the mall and some of the office buildings here in Long beach. He suggest super thrive and Dyna Gro products. They have never failed me. But I use them as a soak (drench). I have not sprayed anything with the super thrive. I, personally, am happy with the product. That is my two cents!! LOL
Rhapsody

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 27, 2013
3:51 PM

Post #9643174

It was recommended to me by knowledgeable people when I first started growing orchids, too. Since then the orchid gurus have gradually given up on it. I have started using Epsom salts and Dyna-Gro Pro Tekt 'The Silicon Solution' instead, there is lots of good solid facts to support those two. They are added to my sprayer for the orchids, and a lot of my other plants get a drench once in a while, too. They are all doing much better now than they ever have.

I don't know if the SuperThrive was setting them back or if the other additives are just better. But the couple of days' research I did sure had nothing good to show for SuperThrive other than as a rooting supplement.
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 27, 2013
5:35 PM

Post #9643278

David~ Do you suggest growing them in pots or in the ground? I do not have much ground space left. Your look so pretty and well kept. Do they suffer root shock when trasplanting?
Thanks
R
ardesia
Saint Helena Island, SC
(Zone 9a)

August 28, 2013
5:09 AM

Post #9643601

Elaine mentioned keeping ST in the fridge; I heard a grower speaking a while ago and he mentioned Rootone should be kept in the fridge. Who knew? Most of us have had a jar of that on the garage shelf for years. Guess that is why most pros have gone with Dip & Grow.

The hydroponics stores carry some high end products, many from Europe, and if you are growing rare trops, they might be worth a try.
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

August 28, 2013
5:31 AM

Post #9643615

I keep a lot of stuff in pots, for several reasons. Number one I have many ultra thousand that get cranky when the temp gets much below 50 , so need to be able to move things. I also have a ton of plans and like to move them around so I can enjoy ones at different times. Finally, I can more easily control media the roots are exposed to. I make my own media with different ingredients that will best suit the plant. I don't get transplant shock because of different stuff in my media, disturb the roots as little as possible, and use different 'shock preventatives'in the water I use after transplanting. Lots of pots might not be the best look, but I have a lot of very rare stuff and a ton of money invested so want as little risk as possible.

Dp

dyzzypyxxy

dyzzypyxxy
Sarasota, FL
(Zone 9b)

August 28, 2013
12:40 PM

Post #9644038

David, I use containers for a lot of my treasures as well. I move them around so I can enjoy them when they are in bloom and some I sink into the ground for insulation, but the pots help keep the oak tree roots from invading and robbing the plants of nutrients. Begonias love this treatment and do great under my big oaks now. My brugs also turn out to be nematode magnets, so they have to stay in big pots.

Did you mention somewhere in this thread that you had seedlings of the Cubanola? I would love to have a plant of that one, and have never seen them for sale here. If you are willing to part with one D-mail me please?

Elaine
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

August 28, 2013
2:32 PM

Post #9644155

Yes. I know what you mean. I have a few exotic plants myself. All in pots.
R
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 14, 2013
7:14 PM

Post #9660057

I gave away 3 pick up loads of "cranky" plants when I moved to Chicago last year, now that I moved back I don't have much to put in my green house any more..bright side it will be less plants this winter. I will miss sitting in there amongst the plants when it gets cold as I use to when I had winter blues plant withdrawal syndrome lol.
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

September 17, 2013
12:44 PM

Post #9662446

Boy I would have loved to have gotten your cranky plants RJ

David
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 17, 2013
8:35 PM

Post #9662833

I really had to "detatch" to let them go!
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

September 17, 2013
10:10 PM

Post #9662866

[quote="rjuddharrison"]I really had to "detatch" to let them go! [/quote]

rjuddharrison ~ understatement I am sure!!
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

November 2, 2013
4:49 PM

Post #9700542

Very happy here. Managed to get Two Portlandia coccinea to go along with my grandiflora and alba. Next summer I can cross them and get the large pink flowered hybrid. Also got a bunch of Cubanola seeds to grow, plus some rare Medinilla seeds to sprout.

David
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

November 2, 2013
10:13 PM

Post #9700716

OK Dave give! Where did you get your beauties?
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

November 4, 2013
7:54 AM

Post #9701613

Got them for a friend that got them from who knows where. Were not cheap, bit I like to have an extra just in case. One was even in flower.

DP
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 11, 2014
11:22 PM

Post #9810348

Hey Popper, happy spring! I've been making up for all that cold. Repotted scrappy and seems to be doing well for now. It did pretty good in green house and is now sporting new growth. Re-reading thread, was foliar fertilizing a concensus? Seemed like it might have been for something else.
KayJones
Lee's Summit, MO
(Zone 6a)

April 12, 2014
9:11 AM

Post #9810616

Well, RJ - I haven't learned the 'detach' thing yet - I am digging every tropical, potting it up and moving it to KCMO with me. My sons 'said' they would build me a greenhouse, but if they don't, in the house they go - all 250 of them!
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 14, 2014
7:35 AM

Post #9812193

Hope they build one! They will after the first 2 times do hauling plants in and out!
KayJones
Lee's Summit, MO
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2014
12:37 PM

Post #9812543

Yep - that's what I'm thinking - LOL - they all three know how important my plants/sanity are!
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

April 27, 2014
7:19 PM

Post #9823667

I am a chick with a lot of tools so I built my own hot house. You may have a lot of fun putting yours together yourself could also be a family project. After going through 4 of the racks with the plastic zip cover I just needed something a lot more weather resistant. I made the plains myself as I wanted it to give a little when it got windy here and I wanted a arched dome. Plus I did not want to spend a ton of $$ on it. It was a fun project. Here is a picture of it and some bromeliads and plumerias going inside.

Rhaps

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popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

April 28, 2014
5:41 PM

Post #9824615

I had such a mild winter here in central Florida (sorry all you northeners) that my Bueamontias (didn't grow up the trunk, grew up and grabbed the lower branches) and Thunbergia mysorensis managed to grow all winter and are 20+ feet up into a Camphor tree (yucky tree). Don't see any buds on the Beaumontia yet. :'( but there are long strands of T mysorensis beginning to grow down, getting ready to flower. Going to look so nice when they start to bloom. I'll send a pic when they start flowering.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 21, 2014
2:04 PM

Post #9944877

Hi guys..David or anyone, what are the natural pollinators for Cubanola? I am doing it with a paint brush at the moment as nothing seems to be interested in it.
Osmocote seems to have cleared up the scraggly condition I talked about before. Having the best blooms this season.
Thx,
Rj
Oh my! Long time haven't been here, I can upload from phone! Happy dance.
Well, doesn't seem to want to put photo upright

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popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

September 22, 2014
12:22 PM

Post #9945519

I would guess moths of some kind. Being white and fragrant at night usually means moths. i guess it could be a bat, but that really a flower shaped for bats. I do know RJ that they can be hand pollinated but the success rare is not the best.

Hope all is well RJ, drop me a d-mail and fill me in on what's going on.

David

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KayJones
Lee's Summit, MO
(Zone 6a)

September 22, 2014
12:27 PM

Post #9945522

Randy - HELLO!

Just post how you're doing here on this thread - we all want to know!

BTW, I moved back to Kansas City, Missouri a little over a month ago - supposed to close, on Sept. 30, on the house I bought - we'll see!
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

September 24, 2014
6:46 PM

Post #9947021

[quote=.
Thx,
Rj
Oh my! Long time haven't been here, I can upload from phone! Happy dance.
Well, doesn't seem to want to put photo upright[/quote]

RJ-
From your photo I thought you had taken vertical gardening yo a whole new level!

What's the deal with the line breaks not working?

David
Rhapsody616
Long Beach, CA

September 28, 2014
1:21 AM

Post #9949063

Getting my first bloom on Cubanola domingensis. Can not wait.
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

October 4, 2014
4:35 PM

Post #9952887

Pollinating with a paint brush worked!

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KayJones
Lee's Summit, MO
(Zone 6a)

October 6, 2014
11:48 AM

Post #9953929

Randy, congratulations!!!! Post pics of the babies!
rjuddharrison
Houston, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 8, 2014
4:17 PM

Post #9986556

I will, guess I might have to net the pods, I understand they pop and scatter. Anyone have experience?
popper1
Lakeland, FL
(Zone 10a)

December 11, 2014
1:32 PM

Post #9987820

Net them

David

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