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victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
10:10 AM

Post #9236766

Coming from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1252349/

Always encouraging to read stuff like this.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/usda-spends-2m-gets-one-intern-program-fails/article/2504551#.UCU_4aPhdQj

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AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
11:00 AM

Post #9236812

I thought this article by a nobel prize winning economist was well thought out. hIt makes sense to me. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/joseph-stiglitz-inequality_n_1760296.html
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 10, 2012
11:23 AM

Post #9236830

If it was red it would like the Staples - Thats Easy Button... well kind of

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
11:33 AM

Post #9236844

Just does not jibe with the facts, cat. And Europe shows us what happens when you ignore deficits and debt. The day of reckoning becomes tragic as opposed to uncomfortable.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48257611/The_Falling_Fortunes_of_the_One_Percent
cathy166
Stamford, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
11:39 AM

Post #9236848

There is no question that executive bankers and wall streeters have not lost a penny and it doesn't jibe with the "banking crisis." Has nothing to do with deficit and debt.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
11:42 AM

Post #9236852

And this shows the truth regarding the 'rich' and who pays what. The top 5% has taken a larger share of all income earned, BUT has paid a bigger chunk of all Fed taxes - at a higher rate of increase than the income. The well-worn class warfare argument is totally bogus. It was way more valid decades ago. With half of all Americans paying ZERO Fed taxes, it is mind-boggling to hear over and over that the ones who ARE paying most of it need to pay their 'fair share.'

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444246904577571042249868040.html

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
11:44 AM

Post #9236854

True, Cathy. And, ironically, there have been fewer prosecutions of Wall St people SINCE the crisis (ie., in the past four years), than in decades! Just yesterday the DOJ announced NO charges against Goldman nor any of its employees. A simple look at Goldman's political friends will explain why.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

August 10, 2012
11:48 AM

Post #9236861

I think the best handle on what's really going on is the historical documentation and current (world-wide) comparisons John Michael Greer has been posting as a series for several months. http://www.energybulletin.net/authors/John+Michael+Greer
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
1:35 PM

Post #9236972

Here is a company that is doing right by it's employees! http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-google-employees-death-20120810,0,618570.story?track=rss

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
2:03 PM

Post #9236988

Very nice. They still are a sleazy company though. Like FB.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
2:23 PM

Post #9237015

Just read this on Twitter. Don't know if it's true. Probably is.

'If you have at least $34,000 you are among the world’s richest 1% of people.'

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
2:59 PM

Post #9237052

yeah as a world average, probably true

google creeps me out

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 10, 2012
3:03 PM

Post #9237058

Yep, Google is very scary. Think they're entitled to everything and individuals are entitled to nothing. Other countries are much better at getting after them. Here they are very connected politically, as is FB.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 11, 2012
7:56 AM

Post #9237675

FB is only what you let it to be and only what you give it.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 11, 2012
8:40 AM

Post #9237709

I actually like Facebook because I can keep up with what my friends and relatives are doing and thinking about.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

August 11, 2012
8:56 AM

Post #9237728

Google and political ties: I'm sure I'm on every Homeland Security 'watch list' because I rant and rail against the government's war on real food in posts on my Google-operated blog. The FBI has now redefined dissent as "treason", and stockpiling a supply of food for your family as a treasonous act.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 11, 2012
9:13 AM

Post #9237746

Darius - please give me more information on "The FBI has now redefined dissent as "treason", and stockpiling a supply of food for your family as a treasonous act."

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 11, 2012
9:37 AM

Post #9237764

FB is NOT only what you give it. SO many reports of them doing all kinds of stuff without your knowledge or permission - like selling your info to advertisers. Just the other day was a report that they track what sites you go to if you do not log off. That is crazy.

I agree that the gov has gone nuts with people with food/rainwater etc. The 'dissent is treason' sounds like a bit much though. They would not be so stupid to say that publicly even if they felt that way.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

August 11, 2012
9:57 AM

Post #9237791

Memory, I don't post much without a back-up, but I cannot find the link specifically on dissent. The others below cover a lot of ground. Thanks for asking.

FBI says paying for your morning coffee with cash is a potential terrorist activity
http://www.infowars.com/fbi-says-paying-for-your-morning-coffee-with-cash-a-potential-terrorist-activity/

Feds Label Bulk Buying of Food a Potential Terrorist Activity
http://www.infowars.com/feds-label-bulk-buying-of-food-a-potential-terrorist-activity/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/feds-label-bulk-buying-of-food-a-potential-terrorist-activity.html

The Sacrificial Caste of Children
http://www.monbiot.com/2012/01/16/the-sacrificial-caste/

Congress wants to limit my access to research papers
http://www.anh-usa.org/no-science-for-you/

Conspiracy Theorists Are Being Rebranded As Domestic Terrorists
http://www.infowars.com/why-conspiracy-theorists-are-being-rebranded-as-domestic-terrorists/


AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 11, 2012
11:05 AM

Post #9237832

http://publicintelligence.net/fbi-suspicious-activity-reporting-flyers/

I really like the "traveling illogical distance to use internet cafe" - sounds like we need Spock to figure out this one!

Oh No! I download - Information about timers, electronics, or remote transmitters / receivers - should I be tuning myself in?

The thing that really gets to me is THIS IS OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 11, 2012
11:13 AM

Post #9237851

Yet they keep talking about releasing known dangerous terrorists from Gitmo to appease the Taliban.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

August 11, 2012
11:30 AM

Post #9237870

Well, face it. Those homegrown in this country are easier to bully/control.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 11, 2012
2:36 PM

Post #9238077

I have no hometown. It has an email account that I use as a "junk" account and I dont have a phone number or even my real date of birth.

The only thing they got is my name. So FB IS what you give it.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 11, 2012
7:36 PM

Post #9238466

No - unless you are using anonymizing software you broadcast your unique IP address every second you are online. Your IP address EQUALS you.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 12, 2012
3:42 AM

Post #9238636

When I come here I see DG,s ISP number.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
1:51 PM

Post #9240296

Funny how these revisions always go in one direction.


http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120813/AUTO01/208130392

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
2:02 PM

Post #9240305

Oh good night!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
2:02 PM

Post #9240307

It's only (your grandchildren's) money.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
2:03 PM

Post #9240309

That makes me feel sooooo much better

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
2:06 PM

Post #9240311

Was so encouraged to read yesterday that the true debt - difference between all Federal obligations (promises, really) and revenue, is 220 trillion! Cannot begin to fathom that.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
3:04 PM

Post #9240372

that is just INSANE!!!

Did you see now he wants to buy 170Mil of food from US farmers to eleviate their problems with the drought? Don't exactly understand how that works

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
3:18 PM

Post #9240392

Guess that would be buying what is dead. Makes perfect sense in Govworld. They have a tradition of paying farmers NOT to grow anyway.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
4:59 PM

Post #9240472

Nice work...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/painter_pulls_in_taxpayer_green_g9blvrHVxNDixDzpPUziOJ

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
5:29 PM

Post #9240499

Facebook.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2187801/Were-watching-The-camera-recognise-Facebook-picture-time-walk-shop.html

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

August 13, 2012
5:31 PM

Post #9240506

ewww! not liking that idea

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
5:33 PM

Post #9240509

Everything about FB (and Google ) is ewww!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

August 13, 2012
5:42 PM

Post #9240516

Well, let's just get rid of all the clerks in the stores and let 'HAL" serve our needs in retail!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
5:55 PM

Post #9240533

Is this Sally or her bot?? ^_^

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

August 13, 2012
6:02 PM

Post #9240546

ROFL! Lets invent programs to reply to threads for us so we don't have to 'waste our time' with thinking or communication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
6:05 PM

Post #9240551

My bot has been doing so for four years now.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 13, 2012
7:47 PM

Post #9240698

we know, Victor! LOL


That is really super creepy,and if people think for one min that it is JUST going to be used to offer you discounts to a store, they better WAKE UP
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

August 14, 2012
1:54 PM

Post #9241494

The other day I read about Starbucks and Square teaming up. The article says that sometime soon customers will be able to order a drink simply by stating their name. They won't have to take out their wallet or their phone to do so. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/technology/starbucks-and-square-to-team-up.html?_r=1

Couple that with this "Face Deal" technology and it seems to me like we're not that far away from our faces being linked to our bank accounts . . . Which I find unsettling. And I'm not really technologically averse. This just seems way too Big Brother for me.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

August 14, 2012
1:58 PM

Post #9241502

Big Brother? Big Brother? It's waaaay too late to worry about that...

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 14, 2012
3:53 PM

Post #9241615

I know what I would LOVE to do to one of those FB cams!!!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 14, 2012
4:16 PM

Post #9241638

Got a job that is driving me crazy. 2.30 the 1st day. Its called a Flat Liner Job.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 14, 2012
6:34 PM

Post #9241758

Please explain, Sherrie..I'm confused
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 15, 2012
4:28 AM

Post #9242026

No hours. No chance of increasing hours. No chance of advancing. Flat liner job.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 15, 2012
6:27 AM

Post #9242105

I still don't understand.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 15, 2012
9:11 AM

Post #9242299

The job will go no where. 10hrs per week and no advancement. In other words not the job I wanted, its a dead job. I will keep it till I find something better.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 15, 2012
11:31 AM

Post #9242415

Keep your spirits up, Sherrie. For some reason it is always easier to get a job when you already have one!

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 15, 2012
12:01 PM

Post #9242458

yes better than nothing

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

August 15, 2012
1:16 PM

Post #9242535

Sounds like my new job! almost. I'm considering it more money than I had before, an entry into a new organization with many similar positions suing similar skills to what I just learned. After three shifts I have pretty much mastered all the possible complexities. Now the real boredom begins. Capturing images of old student records from microfiche, convert to data, link to records. We're talking YEARS, decades , of stuff. and many orgs must be going through this kind of records conversion. Plus all new student records get scanned and linked.
But i'll keep my eyes open with the old job and the new job to move up..
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 23, 2012
12:53 PM

Post #9251401

9 hrs 18 mins this week - WoW :-) A woman that has been doing what I am doing for 6 months has applied for a supervisors job.

Now that would be up my alley but I am just getting off the Observation Interview been 2 weeks today. boo hoo...
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 24, 2012
6:50 AM

Post #9252050

Sherrie - only 22 more weeks to go before you can move on up!

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

August 24, 2012
6:56 AM

Post #9252057

Here's an interesting blog post:
How The American University was Killed, in Five Easy Steps
http://junctrebellion.wordpress.com/2012/08/12/how-the-american-university-was-killed-in-five-easy-steps/

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

August 24, 2012
7:53 AM

Post #9252107

Thought provoking stuff

It's very hard to differentiate between 'college as a way to better your brain' and ' college as a ticket to a better career/life."

How about req'd classes for say, police officers? Where does literature really impact their job performance? AA degrees, are they good tools to screen candidates? Do they at least indicate that the candidate can commit to a learning program? Or that they are minimally stable enough, personally, to complete the program?

I see moves towards job development in high schools- STEM schools, magnet schools in our county that focus more narrowly beginning in high school. Is it good, or bad? Is it all about getting skilled workers (drones) for the Corporation?

Sherrie, despite my possibly offensive rose colored glasses post above--I know it's hard out there and I hope it gets better for you.
It's just too discouraging for me to think about the steep competition and limited opportunities I have.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 24, 2012
9:17 AM

Post #9252181

Darius - that is an incredible article. I am one of those drone professors who gets low wages and no paid insurance and works at the whim of the college.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

August 24, 2012
9:36 AM

Post #9252197

So sorry, Memory. It's really a sad state of affairs all around.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

August 24, 2012
11:10 AM

Post #9252268

It is OK - other than I am being "part of the problem". I have a "day job" so I am financially OK - I just love having someones who have to pay attention to me! (As opposed to my house where the cats ignore what I say.) LOL

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

August 24, 2012
2:34 PM

Post #9252442

Our community college is no longer the domain of retired professionals. Many PhDs there.

I'd LOVE to know how much money colleges get from the govt as a result of accepting students who can't afford the tuition. If they do.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

August 25, 2012
4:45 PM

Post #9253652

Oh my where is Victor? I am sure he can tell.

Darn I just had a FLEA on me

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 29, 2012
11:33 AM

Post #9258334

Hmm - wonder if there will be any outrage over these record profits while we pay sky-high prices, as there always is with the oil industry. Guessing not.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f477ac96-f149-11e1-b7b9-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_us_politics%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz24xfFysT7

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 29, 2012
1:13 PM

Post #9258417

have to register on that site to read article, can you copy&paste?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

August 29, 2012
1:21 PM

Post #9258430

Weird - was open before. I am not registered either. Recap - record profits for American farmers despite drought. High prices and gov subsidies reason why.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

August 29, 2012
4:44 PM

Post #9258654

Unreal

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 2, 2012
3:37 PM

Post #9262652

Sad.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trading-caps-and-gowns-for-mops-2012-08-22

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2012
12:13 PM

Post #9264705

Gov spending on food stamps has doubled in the past four years.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2012
1:40 PM

Post #9264789

Good grief.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/convicted-wife-murderer-gets-taxpayer-funded-sex-change/article/2506889#.UEZnQ2t5mSM
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 4, 2012
1:48 PM

Post #9264795

No words!!!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2012
3:07 PM

Post #9264864

The price of food has about doubled in the last year!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2012
3:18 PM

Post #9264880

Don't think it has been quite THAT bad.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2012
3:35 PM

Post #9264889

Us debt just hot 16 TRILLION. $136, 260 per household - up 50% in the past four years. We really may never recover from this.

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 4, 2012
5:24 PM

Post #9265026

:(

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2012
8:25 PM

Post #9265265

UGH, I really need to stop coming on this thread
3.67 a gallon of gas

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 4, 2012
8:47 PM

Post #9265288

Over 4 here.
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 4, 2012
9:33 PM

Post #9265341

Local grocery store salad bar and soup bar now $5.99 a pound.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 5, 2012
6:21 AM

Post #9265573

Fourth year in a row.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/survey-finds-us-competitiveness-sliding-17157428#.UEdRv5bsYtU

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 5, 2012
3:01 PM

Post #9266115

Feel really bad for young people. Read the other day that the avg start salary for college grads (all majors combined) is just $27K, down 10% in the past four or five years. I started at $30K 25 years ago!!


http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-08-23/finance/33323518_1_student-loan-debt-nonprofit-four-year-colleges-college-grads

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 6, 2012
7:00 PM

Post #9267511

[quote="flowAjen"]UGH, I really need to stop coming on this thread

[/quote]

that has crossed my mind too- its a rough place here in Reality Land. But I like my neighbors too much to move!

$11-some K in 1983- thought I was pretty fat and sassy as a single gal. Yup Victor and I bet that degree cost much less than your first year salary.

Had a bit of time to kill. Got a snack between jobs. Panera coffee, scone, smoothie for the kid...over 8 $ ..It's just no fun stopping for a snack anywhere.

Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 7, 2012
4:42 AM

Post #9267738

Can't imagine you ever being fat and sassy, Sallyg. Heehee.

I think my college cost somewhere between $2 and 3 thousand a year.

Snacks, ugh. I'm going to a women's conference in Philly tonight and tomorrow. Don't even want to think of parking plus... Food. Tonight won't be bad cuz we will eat before we go, but my DIL, who is pregnant, needs to have food with her. Not allowed to bring any food in to the venue. Apparently they look through your bags. Of course they want you to buy your food there. That's how they make their money. Tomorrow, we'll either bring our lunch and leave it in the car so we can tailgate, or bite the bullet and buy inside. We could ride in another car, but because DIL is pregnant and always goes early we are driving up separately. That would have saved some money, but I am thinking this isn't going to be cheap.

Sooo looking forward to this. Mandisa will be there. Patsy Clairmont, who is a riot. Kurt Warner's wife. Just some of the line-up. Should be fun. An arena full of women singing. A joy to hear!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 7, 2012
5:34 AM

Post #9267766

Yet another horrible jobs report.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 7, 2012
5:38 AM

Post #9267768

96K net new jobs. 368,000 net new labor force dropouts.

June jobs growth revised down from 64,000 to 45,000, and July revised down from 163,000 to 141,000.

That is one ugly, scary picture.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 7, 2012
7:05 AM

Post #9267845

where are the wind turbines that are being built that created thousands of jobs located that the prez was talking about last night?

wow! is that a run on sentence or what???
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 7, 2012
8:24 AM

Post #9267908

We saw lots of wind turbines on our trip this summer and always wondered what happens when it's not windy. Many were not spinning.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 7, 2012
2:09 PM

Post #9268256

No wind- no power.
Heard about wave power project in Oregon. Will be three years to up and running and will power 'about a thousand homes' Big WHip thats Nothin!
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

September 7, 2012
3:45 PM

Post #9268322

I drove through central Oregon this summer and was amazed by the number of windmills dotting the landscape. They are enormous. They were too far away for me to get a good perspective as far as actual size goes but I could see them from so far away that I knew they were huge. Hundreds of them, all spinning pretty slowly but given their size I think the fact that they were spinning at all meant it was probably generating a fair bit of energy.
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 7, 2012
4:50 PM

Post #9268368

Here is a picture of a hand drawn map of the village where my grandparents were born. Note the wind mills in the lower left , adjacent to the wheat fields. Grind grain or pump water for irrigation good old wind power! And since 1880's generate electricity!

I think that wind farms, etc are important steps in a diverse sustainable energy basis for this country. At least as important is that the manufacturing of the turbines and parts is being done here, retooling our manufacturing base and keeping jobs here. Jen, just googling 'wind turbines' shows a number of manufacturing sites across the country.

Sally, I heard that same report on public radio about the ocean wave electricity generating project in Oregon today and though it may seem small, that it will generate electricity mechanically without the use of hydrolics is so important as we all know that oil and water don't mix!



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sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 7, 2012
5:18 PM

Post #9268384

Modern windmills are incredibly enormous.

Coleup that is incredibly cool to have that map of yours.

I am all for new manufacturing jobs here working towards new energy sources- AS LONG AS the startup money comes from the rich bankers investment portfolios.

American lifestyles have changed ginormupendously in the last hundred years and we consume far more power than we used to.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 7, 2012
5:25 PM

Post #9268390

Main problem has been for the gov to try to create a market that does not exist. The so-called green economy has to be born out of necessity, market-driven and privately supported.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

September 7, 2012
5:50 PM

Post #9268415

In 1979, they installed the (then) world's largest windmill on Howard's Knob in Boone, NC, with blades scanning 200' tip to tip. The $6.2 million, ten-story, 350-ton, 2 MW was built by General Electric. It was dismantled in 1983 following complaints about the noise from residents. The windmill was also very expensive to operate. It was considered evidence that renewable energy was clumsy and unworkable. http://www.radford.edu/wkovarik/envhist/RenHist/4.Wind.html

I moved to Boone several months after it was installed, and always heard complaints from the locals of noise and TV interference.

By the way, a woman who is a long-time DG member (sugarweed) worked on that installation. What looks like the box for the controls for the windmill was the size of a house trailer.

In the early 1980s wind-generated electricity cost as much as 30 cents per kilowatt-hour. Now, state-of-the-art wind power plants at excellent sites are generating electricity at less than 5 cents/kWh. (American American Wind Energy Association). Costs are continuing to decline as more and larger plants are built and advanced technology is introduced.

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sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 7, 2012
5:59 PM

Post #9268424

darius- quote "Now, state-of-the-art wind power plants at excellent sites are generating electricity at less than 5 cents/kWh. (American American Wind Energy Association). Costs are continuing to decline as more and larger plants are built and advanced technology is introduced"
Halelujah, finally some good news on the Money Matters thread

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 7, 2012
6:22 PM

Post #9268450

There are many places where it is ideal. And they need to go to the vertical shaft type used in Europe. Less noise, fewer bird collisions and can be put where the big clumsy ones cannot go.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 7, 2012
6:53 PM

Post #9268478

I had seen a show about that other type- so glad they are in use. Look much less deadly to birds too.
There is a ' Darrieus" wind turbine style too- (wikipedia) they must not have checked their spelling. LOL
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 8, 2012
5:10 AM

Post #9268726

"Main problem has been for the gov to try to create a market that does not exist. The so-called green economy has to be born out of necessity, market-driven and privately supported."

Let's try that with oil, shall we? It is a necessity, after all. Fossil fuel subsidies in the last 5 years have been $ 72 billion, in the same time, $1 billion went to solar.

—BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, and Royal Dutch Shell—these five oil companies combined made a record-high $137 billion in profits in 2011—up 75 percent from 2010—and have made more than $1 trillion in profits from 2001 through 2011. This exceeds the previous record of $136 billion in profits in 2008.

Source: the American Progressive Party

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 8, 2012
8:23 AM

Post #9268867

To dispel misconceptions:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/04/25/the-surprising-reason-that-oil-subsidies-persist-even-liberals-love-them/
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 8, 2012
5:09 PM

Post #9269293

That WAS interesting. Thank you for posting it.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 10, 2012
6:41 AM

Post #9270610

This is absolutely mind-boggling.



"According to figures released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), only 58.3 percent of Americans over the age of 16 are currently employed. That's the lowest percentage in the past year—so things are getting worse, not better. But things haven't just gotten worse over the past 12 months; they've also gotten worse since the recession ostensibly ended and the recovery ostensibly began.

In fact, for an amazing 38 consecutive months, the percentage of Americans who are employed has been lower than the percentage who were employed during the recession. According to the BLS, the low-water mark for employment during the recession was 59.4 percent, while the high-water mark for employment during the "recovery" has been 59.3 percent. That's right: When it comes to the percentage of Americans who are employed, every month of the "recovery" has been worse than any month of the recession."
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 10, 2012
7:49 AM

Post #9270686

I am not really surprised by that number as (according to the US Census Bureau) as of July 2011, 13.3% of the US population is over 65 years old and another 23.7% are under 18. So, if my math is correct, 37% of the population is the majority of the 58.3 %. I realize that the numbers I have are a little different because the BLS is using 16 as the working age, however more people have turned 65 in the past 13 months - so maybe the comparison isn't too far off. During the Depression I could find that there were 6.7 million people over 65 as the "Baby Boom" hadn't happened yet. :) It is us Baby Boomers that are swelling the ranks of the jobless by retiring.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 10, 2012
9:44 AM

Post #9270844

I've always thought that and wondered if there were any stats regarding the percentage entering retirement. Anyone?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 10, 2012
10:11 AM

Post #9270866

No way that is the driving force, Cat. First of all, we are talking about three years, not 10 or 15. This is a short-term crisis driven by the horrid economy, not the long-term demographic trend. Secondly, how many Boomers are ACTUALLY retiring at 65 now with all the uncertainty about their financial well being in retirement. Doubt it's very high.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 10, 2012
10:21 AM

Post #9270879

Chicago teachers are the highest paid in the country. Over $70K avg salary alone - not counting benefits. Pay only 3% of their healthcare. Were offered 16% over four years in a city that is broke. They decided to strike instead. They want 30%. Only 56% graduation rate. Average FAMILY in Chicago makes $47K.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 10, 2012
2:32 PM

Post #9271160

I have no words. Actually I do, but ...will censor myself.

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 10, 2012
8:05 PM

Post #9271489

gas here jumped $0.40 today

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

September 11, 2012
4:31 AM

Post #9271679

I believe our economic problems are the result of disregulation and credit gone wild. Both parties contributed to this. The other thing is the automization of whatever manufacturing there is, while we are shifting into the information era. Hopefully young people are getting enough skills for the new jobs. The US economy will depend upon immigration because we need workers with sufficient skill to take over the new jobs. My concern for the baby boomers is whether mutual funds will collapse once enough shares are taken out of the 401k plans by retirees. The last impression alone is causing some worry, because gold does not seem to be a safe alternative. Seems smart investors still have to go with the US economy once all is said and done.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 11, 2012
5:09 AM

Post #9271712

The primary problem that caused this financial mess and deep recession was the housing bubble. Plenty of blame to go around but the MAIN causes were, a) the crazy push to get mortgages to people who would never pay. This started as a reaction to discrimination against WORTHY minorities, but became what we now know. b) Three acts by the government in the late 90's enabled problem a) to take off - 1) the reversal of the Glass - Steagall Act, which separated traditional banking from the riskier financial business. This was pushed by then Treasury Secy Robert Rubin. He of Goldman Sachs. 2) The decision in the 90's NOT to regulate derivatives, and, most important of all, 3) allowing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to back up banks in their risky bundling and reselling of sub-prime mortgages. One can easily google to see who was behind all of these aspects.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

September 11, 2012
12:14 PM

Post #9272077

Jim took out his 1st small loan in 2007. They called & called & called and wanted him to take out a Big loan and put the house up for collateral or what ever its called. If we did I would be homeless.

Simple words - I told Jim NO

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 11, 2012
4:20 PM

Post #9272333

Rosemary this is not a criticism, but why do we need immigration when the Current populace is unemployed?
How do we employ enough people when mechanization replaces so many manhours, and with superior precision and reliability in many cases?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 11, 2012
5:07 PM

Post #9272407

Rose was probably referring to the projected demographic problem when the boomers do finally retire in large numbers. We definitely will need more (LEGAL) immigrants to fill jobs at some point.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 11, 2012
7:03 PM

Post #9272500

Thanks, that makes sense.
Course, we won't retire till we drop dead the way things look ...
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2012
8:44 AM

Post #9273032

Good new on the Health front http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13828647-more-americans-got-health-insurance-in-2011-census-says.

Less uninsured people means lower health care costs for all of us because we end up paying for those without insurance anyway! Also the cost of health insurance was only up 4% this year - much smaller increase than in recent years.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2012
12:37 PM

Post #9273206

Did not see the 4% figure. That sounds way low to me. Source??

It says most of the new insured are young adults. As a group, they will increase the cost to all of us, not decrease, because they are much less likely to have serious problems that go undetected until too late in the ER. That IS the case for older uninsured people. This trend will not continue either. As the article says, the dumb law encourages individuals and businesses NOT to get insurance because the tax is lower than the premium.

This message was edited Sep 13, 2012 8:48 AM
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2012
12:44 PM

Post #9273216

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/pf/insurance/health-insurance-premiums/index.html

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2012
4:30 PM

Post #9273392

Geeze.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ed14fc70-fc51-11e1-aef9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz26Ik3YPD4

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 12, 2012
6:58 PM

Post #9273502

At the moment- I wish the health insurance companies would get the he# ouuta the way. I 'feel ' like they just suck up way too much money to administer between patients and providers... grumble grumble. If they were fair about statistics, how come our clean colonoscopies don't earn us a discount? It's all 'pre existing (denilal) and no reward for certification of absence of disease.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2012
6:59 PM

Post #9273504

'Clean colonoscopies'. Now there's a visual...

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 12, 2012
7:02 PM

Post #9273507

C'mon, I bet you've seen those souvenir pictures, if you're over fifty--- never imagined 'that' could be so clean.
8 ^/

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2012
7:09 PM

Post #9273513

'Only' 49!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 12, 2012
7:14 PM

Post #9273524

You've got a treat coming to you let me tell you!!!
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1050450/

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 12, 2012
7:16 PM

Post #9273528

I've seen that. Pretty funny. I plan to turn it into a party. I think the new iPhone has a colonoscopy app.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
5:12 AM

Post #9273809

Yikes.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/blog/blog.asp?articlesource=5042

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
5:46 AM

Post #9273830

Cat - forgot to comment on your other link. You said the cost of health insurance was up only 4% this year. The article points out that it is only premiums that are up that much so far - not the cost of health insurance. It goes on to say that more people are paying higher out of pocket for their care. That is not something to celebrate. Also, as a percentage of their shrinking income, health costs are taking an even larger bite. As I posted yesterday, median income is lowest since '95. Middle class is getting decimated.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
6:11 AM

Post #9273856

I used to be middle class - until I lost one class at school.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 13, 2012
7:56 AM

Post #9273943

That article is very disturbing, but somehow, not surprising.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
8:23 AM

Post #9273962

we're paying more for health insurance and the co pay is higher and that doesn't even include vision and detal which we used to have

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
12:23 PM

Post #9274139

Well yet another bailout announced by the Fed - so-called QE3 (quantitative easing where they leave rates alone, but keep buying more treasury bonds) to begin. I really don't see why this one would work where the others did not. What small businessman will now hire someone because the Fed is buying Treasuries???

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
1:15 PM

Post #9274171

Wow - 40 BILLION per month of bond buying. To continue indefinitely! Talk about inflating the next bubble...

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
1:24 PM

Post #9274178

Back to personal finance - has anyone really taken the time to try to estimate how much $ they will really need in retirement?? I will admit I have not. We just save as much as we can. Lots of variables, of course, like where you will be living. We will DEF not be in NY. Would like a small place, little or no maintenance and want to be able to travel.

What are your thoughts? Will you move? What do you want to be able to do?

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
1:39 PM

Post #9274196

Haven't really taken any time to look at finances when we retire other to look at those ss statements you get periodically telling you how much you're going to get a month...you know if I die now my kids will get more a month then if I live till retirement? what the heck!



AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 13, 2012
1:59 PM

Post #9274226

I have done the retirement budget for my financial advisor. Every time I see him I have to update the amounts because utilities and taxes on my house keep going up. Also my vet bills are astronimical(sp)! I really can't retire until the cats go over the rainbow bridge. I have already planned to only take in Foster Cats when I retire so that I won't have the vet bills.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 13, 2012
8:56 PM

Post #9274583

So hard to quantify. We try to take every tax break possible.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

September 14, 2012
5:00 AM

Post #9274760

I think about retirement every week, every time there is a crazy day at work. There is no actual way to know when to retire because there is no way to predict investments, real estate or future health care costs and needs. I have figured it best by knowing when I can collect half of my husband's social security benefit at age 66 1/2, what I can save now into a variety of accounts with different risks, and what my pension will be. I consider also what I can do now to earn some money in retirement. If I decide to get nationally certified to do my work, would i enjoy some travel to do that, etc. Before I spend any money I ask what the return from the investment will be, even if it's to go out to dinner, because I need to relax, etc.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

September 14, 2012
5:15 AM

Post #9274776

have not done anything about this either other than to save what we can. do not plan on moving as i have spent to much time building this yard. My wife would move today. I just tell her we need to be able to carry two properties for a year as i would need the time to move every rock/tree/bush i could!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
6:03 AM

Post #9274813

I get depressed when I think about retirement - so I try not to think about it and try not to spend any money that I can avoid spending. I know that I will have to move to another State and then I get depressed about trying to un-hoard my house before I can put it on the market. Then I eat chocolate and feel much better!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
6:04 AM

Post #9274814

In theory- we are open to the idea of downsizing to get out of Mary-Tax-Land. I saw with my mom how caring for a house became difficult. In reality though- that was where she had all her happy memories of raising her kids. And me, this house, has mine. It'll be tough. Also for short term, this is a good location for our own kids to jump off out of college.

Plenty of fast food.
(ba dump- dump- tchchch)

Downsizing and changing location can mean also having to build a new social network and learn a new area. THe older you are when you do that, the more challenge I think it would be.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
6:08 AM

Post #9274816

I have a Sister in Virgina who is always telling me about the tax breaks there - no income tax on Social Security income for seniors for one. I have a Sister in Arizona and would move there except that they are selling their property with the guest house that I was scheming to rent! I can't go back to California - too expensive! When I was teaching two classes a year, I could pay my property tax from that, but now that it is one class and that is a maybe, I better plan on moving. Of course my house may not be worth enough to have anything left over from the sale . . . I NEED CHOCOLATE!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
6:20 AM

Post #9274827

Chocolate helps everything...

Low taxes in Delaware too right?

First the location, then the concept- DH has said he has no interest in having to fix up an older home himself. I kinda like the idea of some of those historic houses with their great layouts. But we have friends who've gone that route- historic in Salisbury MD- and it ain't no picnic, financially or work wise. Cedar roof, wooden exterior painting, rotted bathroom subfloor., no central AC, tiny cramped kitchen, so much maintenance on old wood. Used it as beach-ish 2nd house.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
6:47 AM

Post #9274854

Yay for chlockit as my grandies say!!!!

We have always thought about what we would NEED in retirement, so never spent a lot for vacations, except for the last two years. Always went camping. We don't eat out much either. We would like to move out of NJ someday. However we have grandies around the corner. That speaks volumes!!! But, there is no guarantee they will stay here forever. We would like to be near at least one of our kids. My in-laws moved to VA which was halfway between NJ and GA where their kids lived and they only saw them a couple of times a year. It was a major effort to drive there with a van full of kids to visit them. So we determined that when the time came we would like to be near family.

Have been trying to build up a portfolio that we could use to bolster SS. I am slowly purging the stuff in the house cuz it's just stuff. The kids have gotten things they want, so... When my folks moved in here we probably could have opened an antique store with the things they brought. I have attachment to some things, but in reality I could get rid of a lot.

Our decision to be made now is whether we want long-term care insurance. We are waiting on our financial guy with a number for the premium. My mom had it, but we didn't use it, cuz I was able to keep her here at home. Is this something you all have considered? Do you consider it worthwhile? Why or why not?

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

September 14, 2012
6:59 AM

Post #9274867

All my mother's extra health policies (like a cancer policy) were wasted money. Even if she had a long-term care policy, it wouldn't have done much good as far as what it provided. She lost her real property assets through misguided financial management not too long before her stroke, but Assisted Living facilities would have eaten it up in a heartbeat anyway.

The real need is for folks with a spouse to look at what they need if one is stricken so the other can still survive while the other is maintained with care.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
7:00 AM

Post #9274868

My mom would never have used it- She was self sufficient (me a half hour away) till quite late, and her medicare and retirement health benefits covered everything she ever needed in hospital and rehab (hip replacement, byppass, stents, chronic leukemia, over about fifteen year span not all at once!) I think she'd have just died rather than go to assisted living. OTOH, my BIL sister was just diagnosed with alzheimer's. She's getting rough, she lives with her mother, who naturally hoped that the DD would be the helper to the mom. There is a genetic component, doc said. Yet her older brother (69) and her mother (88) are both not affected- Who the heck ever knows.

RIght now we don't feel we have any extra cash to even consider it. and given my grumpy feelings on insurance co's, I'd rather buy bonds.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
7:04 AM

Post #9274872

Darius, so sorry to hear those sad events for your mom.

Of great benefit to a senior, is someone younger and trustworthy outside the family circle but nearby. No magic on how to find that though.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
7:44 AM

Post #9274911

I considered and rejected long term care insurance. The chances of using it is 50-50 I am told. Of my 4 Grandparents there was maybe 6 month of long term care between them and I have better health than they did. Also I have in my medical directives that I am not to be given anything to extend my life if I get to long term care.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
8:43 AM

Post #9274967

Nothing galls me as those who seem to take advantage of our precious elders. Ugh!!! Best laid plans... Mom's Medicare and supplemental insurance covered most everything, 'cept her meds. The hospice care was cheaper than a facility anyway. I need to stay on the good side of our DDILs. Heehee

Yes, that is another thing we need to do is the medical directives and update our wills.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

September 14, 2012
9:38 AM

Post #9275025

Yes, I need to consider a medical directive. They ask every time I'm in the hospital.

But then I remember a friend remarking about a coma patient who made a full recovery after several years in a coma.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
9:46 AM

Post #9275029

We have had long term insurance for a long time. When you are young when you start, it is very reasonable. I def think it's worth it. Enables you to stay in your home vs being institutionalized, among other things.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
9:47 AM

Post #9275030

Health care proxy, D. Carries more weight than a 'living will'.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
10:04 AM

Post #9275053

Thanks for the info!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
10:15 AM

Post #9275060

One item to consider with the living will issue- on a frail elderly patient, unless otherwise directed, they would have to do a full (aggressive) resuscitation on cardiac arrest. Spare the details, it is not something you'd want to put that patient through.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
10:21 AM

Post #9275066

Which is why you need a proxy - a person to make that call.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 14, 2012
10:22 AM

Post #9275067

I'm thinking that's also referred to as Medical POA?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
10:26 AM

Post #9275073

Could be. Each state may call it something different.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 14, 2012
1:09 PM

Post #9275201

Yikes. Apparently I am not the only one who did not like the Fed's latest move.

http://www.forexlive.com/blog/2012/09/13/egan-jones-analyst-hints-at-us-rating-downgrade-post-qe3/

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

September 14, 2012
6:49 PM

Post #9275516

schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

September 17, 2012
11:42 AM

Post #9277867

Google has very fine restaurants for their employee's (closest Boston), Say they buy 360 lbs of delmonico steaks and only serves 100 lbs. The rest goes in the trash. Everything they dont serve goes in the trash. Its a pitty they dont send it to food shelters.

I know this as a freind is a Chef, in Boston.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 17, 2012
11:44 AM

Post #9277870

as a whole America is a very wasteful country



Went to Target the other day I need to buy a new stariner they wanted $15!!! geez aloo

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 17, 2012
12:49 PM

Post #9277911

about the steak- pretty sick

about the strainer- same reaction- lots of cute kithchen doo dads but the price...sheesh seems high.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 17, 2012
1:06 PM

Post #9277921

Great charity that I have given to for years - City Harvest - goes around to restaurants, diners, delis, etc., and collects leftovers to feed the poor.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 18, 2012
2:34 PM

Post #9279167

Shocking! Not.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/us-bridges-roads-built-chinese-firms-14594513?tab=9482930?ion=1206853&playlist=14594944

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 18, 2012
5:27 PM

Post #9279359

grrrrrrr
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 19, 2012
6:28 AM

Post #9279795

[quote="victorgardener"]Great charity that I have given to for years - City Harvest - goes around to restaurants, diners, delis, etc., and collects leftovers to feed the poor. [/quote]

I've often thought there should be a similar program to redistribute the millions of starter veggies, annuals, perennials, shrubs and trees that are trashed every season and go to our landfills instead of even being composted.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

September 19, 2012
7:45 AM

Post #9279863

When I lived in Asheville, there was "The Blue Bus" that provided a free hot bowl of soup, a salad and a slice of bread daily in the scuzzy part of downtown to anyone who lined up. The hippy guy behind it was driving through Asheville when the bus broke down, so he stayed. Every evening he went around and collected produce and day old bread that he prepared on the bus in huge ss vats, and had proper 2 or 3 stage washing vessels to clean the bowls and utensils. He disappeared after a couple of years... the City officials probably shut him down.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

September 19, 2012
7:48 AM

Post #9279864

Along the lines of re-distributing starter veggies... The SNAP program allows veggie seeds but I never see anyone getting them.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 22, 2012
7:15 AM

Post #9282912

If anyone needs a credit card there is this offer from Chase with no interest until Jan 2014 and no charge for balance transfers. I love these zero interest cards although it does encourage me to spend more than I should. I don't want to get in trouble so I changed the . in the link to DOT. I just get behind with all the vet bills and my house payment went up $80 a month partially because my homeowners insurance went up 33% last year and the escrow had been calculated before the change. I have got to move out of Connecticut when I retire - no choice - it is too expensive here.

https://www.slatefromchaseDOTcom

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 22, 2012
1:01 PM

Post #9283190

Wow - 33% in one year?!! Probably influenced by the two storms last year? Yes, it is discouraging knowing you HAVE to move for retirement. We want to always be near the kids - especially when they are married and have kids - but the best retirement places are not always the best jobs places.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 22, 2012
1:08 PM

Post #9283192

Holy crap!

http://dailybail.com/home/make-this-story-go-viral-you-thought-california-state-pensio.html
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 22, 2012
1:47 PM

Post #9283219

Were do I sign up to teach in Chicago?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 22, 2012
3:58 PM

Post #9283311

Tell me about it! Not too shabby around here either.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 22, 2012
5:24 PM

Post #9283389

Holy crap!!! That's insane!!! How can even ONE admin be worth that much less dozens? Pyramid scheme...the more people 'under' you the more you must earn to be above them all.

Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 22, 2012
6:37 PM

Post #9283464

Insane is a very appropriate word, Sallyg. Boggles the mind
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

September 23, 2012
5:05 AM

Post #9283700

They should be ashamed of themselves even thinking that they "earned" the right to steal from the society who put together the money for children's education.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 23, 2012
7:16 PM

Post #9284420

Got that right Memory

I couldn't even comment right away, I had no words
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

September 27, 2012
4:57 PM

Post #9288285

Money might matter but after this week working I am freaking tired & LAME. will update later

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

September 27, 2012
7:28 PM

Post #9288399

Everyone see this?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hackers-block-us-banks-online-service-bank-america/story?id=17343055#.UGTgYBxiZRc

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

September 28, 2012
8:25 PM

Post #9289466

I hated B o A and W Fgo before so will just continue to avoid them.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 28, 2012
9:33 PM

Post #9289514

Closed on my refi tonight. Nice to save $$.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

September 29, 2012
5:55 AM

Post #9289688

Glad to hear that, Victor.

We use a local bank and a credit union. The credit u ion's rate of interest is higher than the bank.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

September 29, 2012
10:54 AM

Post #9289981

Incredible.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/29/drunk-broker-boosted-oil-prices-for-eight-months-in-2009/

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

September 29, 2012
3:12 PM

Post #9290175

had heard about this, thanks for the article.
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

October 1, 2012
8:24 AM

Post #9292050

I wonder what would have happened to that guy if he'd actually managed to turn a profit for his company while drunk.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

October 1, 2012
1:08 PM

Post #9292488

He'd have gotten a bonus.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 4, 2012
5:29 AM

Post #9295461

For second straight year, social security payouts exceeded revenue - this time by 4%. But not to worry, we're told by some pols. The gov's obligations are 100% backed by - gov obligations.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

October 16, 2012
1:27 PM

Post #9307253

My Flat Liner job. ‎2 weeks I will be getting a reassement for a raise. Yippee. Found out I am earning paid vacation time. Yippee.

Now the light at the end of the tunnel. I found out today that the company has taken on a new client. Only took 15 stores throughout New England. I had to sign a form I would not talk about companies business between each other. OK so, what I am leaning to is I could get another store, not 1 but maybe 2.

Not only that they will need Supervisors!!!! :-) Me Me Me Lets wait & see. :-)

Am I good candiate to move up? Test Me

This message was edited Oct 16, 2012 5:55 PM
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

October 16, 2012
4:12 PM

Post #9307351

Hoping for the best for you, schicken!!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

October 16, 2012
4:17 PM

Post #9307357

Just had an EarthQuake, Serious

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 16, 2012
4:24 PM

Post #9307362

Centered in Portland, ME.
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

October 16, 2012
5:48 PM

Post #9307456

Fracking?

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 17, 2012
5:07 AM

Post #9307718

Wish it was the fiscal cliff crumbling! I'm paying lots of attention to emerging growth mutual funds in my retirement account right now. Unlike stocks I can pull out quickly. Account manager said lots of people are putting it all there. I wouldn't do that!

After what was said in last nights debate, it looks like high interest paying stocks might do allrignt too. In order to have these accounts that are still growing well, I don't spend money.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

October 17, 2012
6:05 AM

Post #9307784

Good news, Sherrie!
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

October 18, 2012
11:53 AM

Post #9308975

Google's shares were slammed today when their earning's were accidentally released during market hours. They lost a ton of money and shares dipped 9% before they actually halted selling. Of course, this doesn't bode well for a lot of the other tech companies not to mention what it says about the companies that would have been paying Google money for advertising.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 18, 2012
1:43 PM

Post #9309067

Did not surprise me. Microsoft did badly too. It's coming...

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 19, 2012
1:28 PM

Post #9309885

Wow.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/10/19/survey-40-percent-of-americans-have-500-or-less-in-savings/

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

October 19, 2012
1:36 PM

Post #9309893

I'm in that 40%. My entire savings account is a fairly new jar with coins collected from my pockets daily, and has probably less that $50.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

October 19, 2012
2:10 PM

Post #9309915

wow is right

Son loves chocolate chip waffles, I usually buy the Eggos cause it's just fast and easy on school mornings
Went to buy some today the 24 count was 6.99!!!! YIKES, needless to say I bought the no name brand this time

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

October 19, 2012
5:05 PM

Post #9310038

flowAjen, 30¢ for one breakfast of a chocolate chip waffle... and you desisted? Yes, prices have gone up, but what are your kids worth?

(frankly I think a breakfast of carbs and sugar is worthless...)

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

October 20, 2012
7:16 PM

Post #9310905

Yeah, I know, and he has to have them EVERY morning, he's a little ocd, highly intelligent and has to have things a certain way. I make sure he has his multi vitamins every morn

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

October 22, 2012
8:41 PM

Post #9312729

I knew those waffles were too expensive got them at another store $1.70 less

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

October 23, 2012
1:48 PM

Post #9313352

Prices can vary wildly! I really feel I earned my keep as stay at home mom by shopping better and using my labor in food prep.
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

October 23, 2012
4:34 PM

Post #9313453

Another bad day for the stock market - this time it was Apple's turn to lead the way down. Apparently investors didn't like the pricing on the new iPad Mini. The stock was down 3% today and is down about 13% from its high of $705 a month ago.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 23, 2012
5:30 PM

Post #9313496

No surprise. Worse coming.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 23, 2012
5:45 PM

Post #9313510

i thought it bad results from 3m and a few other large corps that caused the drop.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 23, 2012
5:47 PM

Post #9313513

Bad earnings in general.

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

October 27, 2012
3:55 PM

Post #9317241

gas went up 40 cents this am. I bet is because of the wicked weather.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

October 27, 2012
4:19 PM

Post #9317271

Likely so... Ours has been dropping a penny or two a week for several weeks, but I haven't been out today to see if greed has driven up the prices here.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

October 27, 2012
4:40 PM

Post #9317289

Wow, I bet you're right. I had not thought about filling up on gas but luckily did so on Thursday at a 'good' price.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 27, 2012
5:51 PM

Post #9317354

Weird since it has been dropping.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

October 27, 2012
6:32 PM

Post #9317399

Wow talk about price gouging, not here though

we paid 3.57 today
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

October 28, 2012
7:57 AM

Post #9317840

One station here yesterday and today $3.36 per gal and 5 cents off for cash! Long lines though as people fill vehicles and multiple gas cans for generator fuel.

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

October 28, 2012
8:15 AM

Post #9317862

the price had dropped to $3.09. now it's $3.49.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

October 28, 2012
8:52 AM

Post #9317885

Lots of people filling cans at the gas station today but the price hadn't gone up.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

October 28, 2012
10:14 AM

Post #9317935

gas 3.51 today. Miricle Whip now has a "new look" down to 30 oz

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

October 28, 2012
5:40 PM

Post #9318374

top 10 worst states to retire in
http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/10/25/10-worst-states-to-retire-2012/

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

October 29, 2012
7:24 AM

Post #9318838

9 Maryland No surprise there!!!

Our gas price still on creeping downslope as of yesterday. 3 37

The Incredible Shrinking Package Effect. ''p '' (thumb down)

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

October 29, 2012
7:25 AM

Post #9318840

I see Ohio is #6
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

October 29, 2012
8:31 AM

Post #9318925

Looks like you guys should all move west when you reach retirement age . . . but I'd stop before you hit California. I can't imagine this will be a good place to retire anytime soon either.

Gas is holding steady at about $3.75 a gallon out here.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

October 29, 2012
10:39 AM

Post #9319072

I'd take $ 3.75 gas in a heartbeat!

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

October 29, 2012
10:56 AM

Post #9319106

Actually, the cost of living in SW Virginia isn't bad... there's just a lack of the "city" conveniences we have come to enjoy. 6 years ago I paid $89K for this 19 acre property with house, run-down barn, outbuildings, spring... and creekfront. Most of the land is steep, and wooded, but what's around the house is enough for several gardens.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

October 29, 2012
12:37 PM

Post #9319230

On the news they have a crane that is on top of a skyscraper in NYC. Its bent & dangling. Around 45th street. WHY did they leave it up there? I think its kind of a lame brain act.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 29, 2012
1:36 PM

Post #9319317

57 street. Has to stay.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

October 29, 2012
1:40 PM

Post #9319322

57 street. Has to stay.

Live video.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Hurricane-Sandy-Video-Top-of-the-Rock-Center-Storm-Track-Weather-176264471.html?dr
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

October 29, 2012
2:21 PM

Post #9319363

Still, it dont belong there hanging like a limp noodle
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 1, 2012
4:05 PM

Post #9322227

I will be going into the "Holiday Mode" = More hours more sore muscles. Good Grief. I am still not sold on this job. It is a LEAN job. Better then nothing but very lean & not reliable.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 2, 2012
6:31 AM

Post #9322628

Time to get those cups and saucers up on eBay for holiday giving. Did you sell that clear glass art thing? (Sorry - didn't know what to call it.)

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 2, 2012
6:45 AM

Post #9322641

Happy birthday darius!!!!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 2, 2012
7:35 AM

Post #9322700

[quote="flowAjen"]Happy birthday darius!!!![/quote]Squared!

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 2, 2012
9:33 AM

Post #9322779

Thanks for the wishes!

I'm just glad we didn't get hit hard by Sandy like so many NE areas did. I did my share of standing in line with a gas can back in the 70's oil embargo...
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 2, 2012
9:50 AM

Post #9322793

cups & saucers? If I was a collector this one would stay.

TUSCAN * AZALEA FLOWER * PINK PURPLE YELLOW

The brown one is Johnsons Bros (brothers)

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Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

November 2, 2012
10:26 AM

Post #9322818

Birthdays wishes, Darius aplenty

Good luck with the cups and saucers, Sherrie
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 2, 2012
10:28 AM

Post #9322819

Last one for a while. Paid 32.00 on ebay they want 225 bucks for 12 plates!

COALPORT GENEVA

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schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 2, 2012
10:29 AM

Post #9322820

Thanks - Other then fluffing flowers at the store I can fluff flowers on stupid cups :-)

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 7, 2012
7:47 AM

Post #9326870

Stock market voting today.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 7, 2012
8:24 AM

Post #9326907

Voting it is.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 7, 2012
6:58 PM

Post #9327461

I hope the government officials get to work to address the fiscal cliff! Noone knew what would happen in wall street today but either a drop or a surge was predicted.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 8, 2012
6:27 AM

Post #9327746

i have no faith in this goverment and that is the only positive thing i can comment on.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 8, 2012
7:21 AM

Post #9327786

Stocks were moving up a little this morning.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 8, 2012
7:26 AM

Post #9327791

Down now. Even McDonald's sales down for the first time in a decade. I see worse times on the near horizon. I see Israel now attacking Iran sooner than later. Higher taxes no matter what happens with the fiscal cliff. Continued Euro problems, as I have said now for months and months. No real good news out there at all.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 8, 2012
7:28 AM

Post #9327794

Also - now all the defense companies who were bribed into not notifying their employees about pending layoffs, as mandated by law, are starting to. Boeing was the first yesterday. More to come.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 8, 2012
7:58 AM

Post #9327813

so that's the good news - what is the bad?
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 8, 2012
3:22 PM

Post #9328203

[quote="schickenlady"]I will be going into the "Holiday Mode" = More hours more sore muscles. Good Grief. I am still not sold on this job. It is a LEAN job. Better then nothing but very lean & not reliable. [/quote]

The company I work for Key Floral picked up another chain of supermarkets but only took on 15 of the stores throughout the NE.

I am taking on another store starting Monday. I will now hove 30 hrs per week big :-)

I think this is leading up to something????

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 8, 2012
3:37 PM

Post #9328227

That is great!


See all these companies that just layed off a bunch of people in the US?
Westinghouse
- Research in Motion Ltd.
- Lightyear Network Solutions
- Providence Journal
- Hawker Beechcraft
- Boeing
...- CVPH Medical Center
- US Cellular
- Commerzbank
- Iberia
- Momentive Performance Materials
- Brake Parts
- Gameforge Berlin
- Vestas Wind Systems
- Husqvarna
- ING
- Ericsson
- SRA International
- PerkinElmer
- Majestic Star Casino and Hotel
- Center for Hospice NY
- Bristol-Myers
- Lower Bucks Hospital
- Oce North America
- Corning
- United Blood Services Gulf
- Atlantic Lottery Corporation
- Welch Allyn
- Dana Holding
- Stryker
- Boston Scientific
- Medtronic
- Smith & Nephew
- Abbott Labs
- Covidien
- Kinetic Concepts
- St. Jude
- Hill Rom
- Darden Restaurants
- JANCOA
- Kroger
- Caterpillar
- Alcatel-Lucent
- Umatilla Chemical
- Rocketdyne
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 9, 2012
6:19 AM

Post #9328676



This message was edited Nov 12, 2012 1:11 PM

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 9, 2012
6:57 AM

Post #9328702

Add Northrup Grumman, our local division announced yet another layoff, of primarily executive and managerial positions this time- of course, since the engineering and tech ppl have been laying off for a couple years now. Radar systems for airports and defense.

Thats great schickenlady! So glad it paid off to try it at starter level.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 9, 2012
7:07 AM

Post #9328706

Shaws Supermarket 700 & that pharmacuticle company in MA that infected people because of the Steriod shots 600. That has been in the news in less then 1 week !

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 9, 2012
8:56 AM

Post #9328815

LOTS of layoff notices just since the election.

Bill, I was SCREAMING that during the debates. No fiscal cliff discussion and no healthcare law discussion. Almost no stimulus discussion. What a joke.

I love how this fiscal cliff crap is framed as this crisis that has 'fallen from the sky' and now requires real leadership and compromise. These are the same morons who came up with and agreed to this in the first place! It was and is a horrible idea. Amazing.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 9, 2012
9:12 AM

Post #9328833

I dont like the cliff, I hate even thinking of the cliff. I guess the cliff is pretty transparent - NOW

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 9, 2012
9:13 AM

Post #9328835

I prefer Norm...
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 9, 2012
9:14 AM

Post #9328836

Guess I just want the Pub

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 9, 2012
9:17 AM

Post #9328839

We can deal with cliffs. We can deal with blackouts. We can deal with recessions. We can deal with gas shortages. But if there is a shortage of alcohol - REVOLUTION!!!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 9, 2012
9:20 AM

Post #9328845

Major Civil Un-rest
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 9, 2012
2:11 PM

Post #9329097







This message was edited Nov 12, 2012 1:09 PM

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 9, 2012
4:37 PM

Post #9329199

Very little discussion, Bill.

Your new senator's presser was an embarrassment and really weird. Maybe a medicine man cursed her??

This message was edited Nov 9, 2012 8:37 PM

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 9, 2012
4:50 PM

Post #9329222

3% stock drop since Tuesday.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 9, 2012
4:52 PM

Post #9329227

CBO estimates eliminating tax cut for those above $250K will net about 70 billion per year ASSUMING no negative effect on economy. Deficit is 1.2 trillion. Perspective??
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 10, 2012
4:08 AM

Post #9329461

Stop spending 1.5 million to create a robot that can fold laundry & 559,681 for shrimp running on a treadmill.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 10, 2012
5:05 AM

Post #9329475

My perspective used to be that America was the best choice despite its problems... how long can I keep that up at this rate?
Stop Spending! Like we've all had to!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

November 10, 2012
5:42 AM

Post #9329496

Oh, Sally, I agree, I agree, I agree!!!!

So, do we move or stay near at least one set of grandies? That is what we are wondering. But, of course that would mean we could even sell the house.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 10, 2012
6:08 AM

Post #9329514

Jan, we can totally see that decision is down the road...and a very hard one. and my kids aren't even married yet!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

November 10, 2012
6:18 AM

Post #9329522

LOL.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 10, 2012
6:38 AM

Post #9329535

Many families with kids and grandkids aren't going to be able to sustain themselves in a large populated area for much longer.

Some of my friends are looking to relocate to a property large enough for 2-3 generations of their families with a large garden area, berries and fruit trees, maybe room for a milk cow or two, and some fowl for eggs and meat. A property capable of having several houses if needed, not all in one house, LOL.

Having said that, I would have taken my mother in after her stroke if I'd had another bedroom. She would have had better food and more personal care than the $5,000/month assisted living provided.Plus, research is showing that healing is improved by a supportive environment.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 10, 2012
6:54 AM

Post #9329542

My perspective is that we don't have a good alternative to supporting the US. What country is doing a better job? I am still shocked every day at how badly we as a nation are using the new media, and how easily we are manipulated by it. Neither presidential candidate said anything with any content about how to address the US debt. This is the same situation FDR had. His government was facing a transition from the agrarian society to an industrial one, when investors goofed it up. Now that we are post industrial, we are amidst another major economic revolution.

I didn't see the Warren interview. This is her first elected office so she is learning the ropes of politics. I wonder if I could have handled the press any better in her shoes.

So far, no signs that i should change my investment strategy in any significant way yet except to put some funds in a safe investment to help our kids pay for college and to make retirement plans, which is already done. Even as campaign rhetoric avoided the fiscal cliff, the financial markets have known about it all along. We are getting pressure from the panic sellers, who are themselves losing a lot of money though. A financial aid is Dollar Cost Averaging. i'd like to know how many people used that strategy to buy securities when the prices were high so if prices went down, they would get a better value in the next buy-in month. We have such amazing technology, but there is so little information in the public's hands about where the real hazards and strengths are within our economy.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 10, 2012
7:04 AM

Post #9329548

Darius has an interesting perspective, one which is people-centered, and I wish you success. There are relatives in both my side and in my DH's side who have tried to do that. It is hard to handle unexpected property taxes and expenses of upkeep. One young niece-in law wants to take over the family farm but make it organic. She is only now waking up to the economic management she would have to learn about, so she is leaving her much dreamed about college because it would cause her to start out in debt from college costs.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 10, 2012
7:22 AM

Post #9329566

We are fully expecting our kids to have to live with us after college. THis era of going out on your own right away, and of buying second homes and retirement homes, is fast going away. The best home plan in my mind is those that have separate but somewhat equal 'master bedroom' setups.
I might not be the greatest gardener but I have yet to meaningfully offset my food costs the way I garden on this half acre suburban lot. I think I lose a lot of efficiency of scale. Yet making the move to a rural area might mean giving up on employment.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 10, 2012
8:33 AM

Post #9329619

You can have a big garden but there is no possible way, 1 person can take care of it. NO WAY, NO HOW.

I have always thought of a community garden. Break it up into 8' x 16' or 8 x 8 and everyone takes care of their own space and everyone shares. Then again with the way some young people think today - I dont even want to go there.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 10, 2012
8:39 AM

Post #9329627

The community garden movement is growing in my region. it is very hard to preserve the old farmlands from entirely going into housing developments, so I applaud when a group is successful. Someday we may really need more local produce.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 10, 2012
9:56 AM

Post #9329683

Sally, I was thinking along the lines of "when employment gives up on you" rather than giving up employment to move more rural.

Sherrie, when my mother was growing up, her dad had a paid position (until the Great Depression) which paid major things requiring cash, like property taxes, utilities, etc. He also did the major farm work like plowing, but each kid had responsibility for at least one food in the garden.

No way could I manage enough garden to feed several people. I do make a dent in my food budget by what I grow and preserve, and it gets a little better each year as I'm healing the soil. I still have to attribute lower yields because I'm constantly experimenting to see what works best to grow nutritionally dense foods, something not necessarily available in local organic foods.

If I just had one able (and interested) person younger than my 72 years, I could produce more in my garden.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 10, 2012
2:07 PM

Post #9329797

Rosemary i am thinking that it is a deval thing - she acted the same way early on at a media event assuming he would answer all questions instead of taking the lead on obvious questions directed to her. she certainly did not look or act like this during any of the debates. time will tell although i would want someone who is a senator to act like one from the get go.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2012
5:26 AM

Post #9330131

I thought this was an interesting article. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2012
7:45 AM

Post #9330244

I don't know anyone who has seriously discussed entitlement reform claim that the chunk of it is something other than ss, medicare and medicaid. And when you hear about reform, it is usually ss and medicare. Just because most of the people receiving these benefits are not lazy bums, it does NOT make it any less of a crisis. If the money is not there, it is not there. Unfortunately, these programs HAVE encouraged dependency over the decades. SS, for example, was never meant to be what it has become. Go back and read what FDR said about it at the time of its inception. It was an EMERGENCY fund, not a retirement fund. And guess what - even he encouraged private accounts in ss. Gasp!

As for the class warfare argument that the 'rich' need to pay more to help on the deficit - a 100% tax rate on the upper income group would not even fully reduce the CURRENT annual deficit! Therefore, it would not even reduce the overall, accumulated national debt. It is so obvious that it is the spending that is the problem, but no one has ever had the guts to do anything about it - just like in Europe. Future is bleak.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 11, 2012
8:03 AM

Post #9330266

Need new catchphrase
"It's the spending, stupid"
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2012
1:28 PM

Post #9330490

I like that, Sally. Just figured that the House and the Senate are part of the 47%.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 11, 2012
2:27 PM

Post #9330507

I guess I'm out of touch... what's the 47%?
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 11, 2012
3:37 PM

Post #9330560

The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 11, 2012
5:35 PM

Post #9330672

Yuck.

COLA for social security checks next year is 1.7%. MY cost of living has gone up far more than that!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 12, 2012
1:21 AM

Post #9330817

[quote="sallyg"]Need new catchphrase
"It's the spending, stupid"[/quote]

LIKE

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 12, 2012
8:33 AM

Post #9331079

I'd love to see a new political party, something that could be nicknamed "The Sensible party."

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 12, 2012
8:34 AM

Post #9331082

People don't want sense. They just want the other guy to foot the bill.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 12, 2012
8:45 AM

Post #9331096

Yeah, but we people in DG might vote for policies to make sense! And gardeners aren't the only ones who are "grounded." Sadly, I am hearing about families that just keep totally indulging their kids without teaching responsibility. There will never be an end to "entitlement."

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 12, 2012
9:00 AM

Post #9331106

Nothing new there. That is why we are where we are. See so many 'poor' kids with smartphones, hip hop fashion brands and $150 sneakers. But they get school lunch for free. Sickening.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 12, 2012
9:31 AM

Post #9331135

Criminal.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323894704578113033115035920

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 12, 2012
9:51 AM

Post #9331163

Ugh!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 12, 2012
3:45 PM

Post #9331473

[quote="schickenlady"]
The company I work for Key Floral picked up another chain of supermarkets but only took on 15 of the stores throughout the NE.

I am taking on another store starting Monday. I will now have 30 hrs per week big :-)

[/quote]

UGHHH - I dont think I can handle taking on another store in the Holiday Mode. I go to the New store & met the lady that I will be taking her place, and she is one GRUMPY older lady. I dont think I can handle doing 2 store deliveries on the same day. I will give it 2 weeks. I told my supervisor I wont leave her hanging. I shouldnt of been shoved into Holiday Mode. At work @ 6 and just getting home @ 6. I think I will run for President.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 12, 2012
3:47 PM

Post #9331477

Is self-quoting allowed???
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 13, 2012
6:10 AM

Post #9331859

Hang in Sherrie.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 13, 2012
6:19 AM

Post #9331874

You can do it!!!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

November 13, 2012
6:21 AM

Post #9331875

Yes, you can!!!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 13, 2012
7:23 AM

Post #9331959

This might be a test to see if you are managment material!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 13, 2012
1:45 PM

Post #9332295

Thursday is delivery day for both stores. But now they are chaning it to Monday for Thanksgiving.
My 6-7 hour day (in my store) is Poooof, Nothing. Now the Holiday Mode I will have to do my 6 or so hours, go home at 2 and go back at 4 to 7.

How am I going to do 2 stores on the same day and it take me 45 mins to get to the 2nd store? I am not a mathamatician but the numbers are not sounding appealing.

I CANT BE AT BOTH STORES! Maybe my supervisor is trying to drive me crazy.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 13, 2012
5:03 PM

Post #9332439

Market continues to swoon. I think it will continue even if some 'agreement' on the fiscal cliff is announced. It will bounce immediately after that, but then reality comes back. Corporate profits are down. Other taxes, fees, mandates, regulations going ahead unabated.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 13, 2012
6:06 PM

Post #9332487

New fiscal year starting great!

http://www.france24.com/en/20121113-us-budget-deficit-jumps-22-october
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
6:05 AM

Post #9332810

So Texas has 58,000 signatures asking to succeed from the US.
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 14, 2012
6:14 AM

Post #9332820

This am over 100,000. Thirty other states have their own petitions also.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 14, 2012
6:25 AM

Post #9332830

Didn't the federal government go to war to keep states from seceeding? Why would the feds give up any income sources?

This message was edited Nov 14, 2012 9:41 AM

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
6:49 AM

Post #9332861

I'm moving to TX
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
7:29 AM

Post #9332892

Cool - let's see those states negitiate their own trade agreements with every single country in the world that they want to trade with, build and maintain public works and roads, handle epidemics without the CDC, print their own currency and postage, provide for protection of their citizens from civil unrest, natural disasters and foreign (including other state) powers - for a start.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 14, 2012
8:06 AM

Post #9332928

never would happen - although it is a nice way to make a statement

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
8:53 AM

Post #9332992

I believe most states def would be better at most of those functions. Most of the 'new jobs created' in the past four years have been in those states. Majority of food stamps and welfare recipients are in the other states. Just facts.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
9:00 AM

Post #9333001

Mem - you're under the illusion that the Feds actually DO the things you stated. With the exception of coordinating a response to an epidemic and, of course, negotiating trade deals, they primarily give block grants to do all the other things. That's one of the major gripes of states. We send money to DC and then have to beg for some to come back. Makes no sense. Then, on top of that, they make all these rules and mandates and don't pay for them.
As for negotiating trade deals, these states would have an EASIER job of it since most of them are right to work states.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 14, 2012
9:02 AM

Post #9333005

14th Amendment to consider:

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

Because secession would do that, secession is unconstitutional and illegal.

So nobody's going anywhere regardless of what [poorly-informed] people claim to the contrary.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
9:08 AM

Post #9333009

No one seriously believes any state will secede. However, I disagree, darius. 14th amendment would not prevent it. That is a great leap of interpretation.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
9:55 AM

Post #9333045

All I know is "a house divided against itself will fall"

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 14, 2012
11:59 AM

Post #9333133

Victor, not MY interpretation, LOL... just from a scholar on the 'Net...

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
12:23 PM

Post #9333143

Not shortage of scholars!

Dang. Had a guy check out my dishwasher. Motor shot! Sears Kenmore really sucks these days. Will replace with Whirlpool. Though about 10 or 11 years old, it really was not used that much. We wash by hand unless a large load.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
12:28 PM

Post #9333146

Stock slide continues.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
12:45 PM

Post #9333158

I don't wash by hand unless forced to!

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
2:01 PM

Post #9333222

I'm with you Memory...that is my least favorite chore

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
2:16 PM

Post #9333239

Keeps my hands pretty.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 14, 2012
4:16 PM

Post #9333334

Disgusting, but not surprising at all.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/fema-sold-shelters-as-frankenstorm-gathered-strength/article/2513508#.UKQZzYWhA-M
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

November 14, 2012
5:39 PM

Post #9333401

Sorry I missed the great secession discussion ~ off earning my keep today.

This is the link to the TX petition https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

TX has ample resources which could make it possible for the state to be a fairly strong country financially. Oil and gas, seaports, livestock, fruit and produce, farming, industry, etc.

But yes, WHA is correct. It is a statement ~ a peaceful means of protest.

At one point TX had retained the right to secede when it initially joined the union but has since forfeited that right.

Some states' have refused gov't funding so they can mandate what is best for that state... one being Montana which refused federal funds for the roads thus able to set the speed limits best suited for their specific conditions. The feds mandate education, etc by jerking the states financial chain threatening to withhold funds. Some of the more financially sound states are saying... keep it, we will control our own.

FlowAjen ~ come on down... you'd be welcome although I can't say we don't see hurricanes. lol

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 15, 2012
7:33 AM

Post #9333760

I used to like our governor...he announced that we shouldn't be surprised that our taxes will increase to cover recovery costs...WHAT??? We already pay crazy taxes AND pay to get on our own beaches AND pay to park down the shore
Not that there is any federal disaster $ to be had, but there should be.Then there's Insurance coverage(if you live in a 100 year flood plain you were required to have flood insurance) It may take awhile to raise $ so maybe these house won't be back up next year and maybe we shouldn't rebuild on the barrier islands
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 15, 2012
8:47 AM

Post #9333836

not to mention the increase in insurance premiums so they can keep their profit margins...

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 15, 2012
9:30 AM

Post #9333867

He has been a major disappointment recently. Started with flying flag at half staff for Whitney Houston.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 15, 2012
12:42 PM

Post #9334028

yep
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 15, 2012
4:05 PM

Post #9334151

[quote="flowAjen"]You can do it!!![/quote]

Ditto
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 15, 2012
4:06 PM

Post #9334152

[quote="Jan23"]Yes, you can!!![/quote]

12 Hour work day. 3 Stores.

I am the One. :-)

But for tonight - Dead.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 17, 2012
3:02 PM

Post #9335711

I have to work MTWFSSM. 3 stores. Then on a regular schedule til Christmas. I am busting Keister. To keep going I am going to need Twinkee's
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 17, 2012
3:08 PM

Post #9335716


Get twinkees!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

November 17, 2012
3:28 PM

Post #9335732

Get Twinkees while you can!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 17, 2012
7:20 PM

Post #9335896

RIP Twinkees.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 18, 2012
5:12 AM

Post #9336026


You can always make your own.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 18, 2012
5:04 PM

Post #9336518

Is that legal?? ;)

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 18, 2012
5:12 PM

Post #9336525

as long as they pay ot over 40hrs and taking breaks, it's legal
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

November 19, 2012
10:32 AM

Post #9337206

I ate a Twinkie on Friday for the first time in years. I feel sorry for the people who are now going to lose their jobs, but I'm not going to feel too bad about not getting to eat Twinkies ever again
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
12:48 PM

Post #9337294

Here is what ;came up on my Facebook on the Hostess bankruptcy:

Hostess is in bankruptcy for the second time since 2009 and a major factor in their inability to succeed is that over the past eight years, they were owned by Wall Street investors that were restructuring experts, managers from other non-baking food companies, and now a liquidation specialist. There was no plan for Hostess to succeed and it appears that was the objective all along.

Hostess’s failure was compounded by having six CEO’s in 8 years who had no experience in the bread or cake baking industry, and despite their financial woes, the company’s CEO got a 300% salary increase from $750,000 to $2,250,000, and other top executives received raises worth hundreds-of-thousands of dollars; all while the company was struggling. Instead of acknowledging the lack of competent leadership and exorbitant executive salaries as contributing to the company’s decision to close its doors, CEO Gregory Rayburn issued a statement saying, “We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike.” However, Rayburn and Hostess management claimed the strike would be responsible for closing plants even before there was a strike, and they had made plans to close plants whether or not workers accepted the Draconian wage and benefit cuts the company offered, or if they went on strike.

Hostess workers previously made numerous concessions to keep the company afloat, but they were not enough for the company’s management so they stopped making contractually-obligated contributions to employee’s pensions to save money. The employees stayed on the job until management offered a new contract cutting wages and benefits an extra 27 – 32 percent that prompted employees to strike and thus become scapegoats for Hostess’s demise. What Hostess failed to tell the public is that plans were in the works to close plants months before offering to slash workers’ wages. According to the company’s 1113 bankruptcy court filing earlier this year, they planned to close at least nine bakeries as part of its reorganization plan in addition to the three bakeries that were to be closed as a result of the company’s planned sale of its Merita division. In a November article, St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said, “I was told months ago they were planning on closing the site in St. Louis, and there was no indication at that time it had anything to do with the strike the workers were waging.”

SOurce: http://www.politicususa.com/romney-vulture-capitalist-style-management-killed-hostess-unions.html

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 19, 2012
12:59 PM

Post #9337302

Shame shame shame on the top execs and Ceos.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
1:28 PM

Post #9337322

Sorry, but that is overtly political. Fact is a bankruptcy JUDGE was calling the shots since the first bankruptcy. A few thousand union bakers decided they would rather liquidate the company than continue under COURT ORDERED cuts. So instead 18,000 lose their job entirely. Yeah, that's fair. To me, that is the economic equivalent of a suicide bomber, plain and simple.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
1:35 PM

Post #9337325

Jugde just ordered mediation for Hostess.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
2:11 PM

Post #9337346

Interesting idea.

http://lifehacker.com/5961898/need-a-new-wardrobe-try-a-clothing-swap?utm_campaign=socialflow_lifehacker_twitter&utm_source=lifehacker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
2:14 PM

Post #9337347

Mem - I did not mean that YOU were being overtly political with that post! Was referring to the article. ^_^

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
2:21 PM

Post #9337351

I really despise all these retailers opening on Thanksgiving. Despicable.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
2:33 PM

Post #9337365

Annoys me, no reason to open on Thanksgiving

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 19, 2012
2:34 PM

Post #9337368

On a different note, how are gas prices doing in your areas? I paid $3.059 yesterday at Sam's, about 10¢ less than the average around here.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
2:35 PM

Post #9337371

Part of email I received from jcp

Happy Thanksgiving!

This year, we're going to kick off the holiday shopping season with
the most exciting Black Friday in our history. And yes, we're going to
start our Black Friday--on Friday.

I know that some retailers are opening on Thanksgiving this year. But
spending Thanksgiving with family is one of America's greatest
traditions. Since jcp was founded on the Golden Rule, I'm proud to
honor this tradition by keeping our stores closed on this special day.

I hope our customers and employees all enjoy a wonderful holiday with
loved ones.

And when we open at 6:00am the following day, we'll be honoring
another great American tradition--Black Friday--with our one big sale
of the year.

And that's just the start. On Black Friday, we also launch our Merry
Christmas America campaign. We'll be giving away 80 million
commemorative buttons, 20 million of which will win a great gift.

Simply get a button at jcp, then visit jcp.com/christmas and enter the
code on your button to see if you've won. You'll get another
button-and another chance to win--every time you visit jcp during the
holiday season (while supplies last).

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
2:41 PM

Post #9337379

Will check tomorrow, d. Def way higher than that.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
2:42 PM

Post #9337381

Wow - the number of announce layoffs in Nov is very scary.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 19, 2012
3:05 PM

Post #9337405

Darius , 3 29 it had crept down over thelast few weeks

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

November 19, 2012
4:32 PM

Post #9337473

gas @ $3.33 here for now
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

November 19, 2012
4:37 PM

Post #9337477

Usually NJ is lower than DE but lately it has been higher. Saw $3.39 today in town.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 19, 2012
4:43 PM

Post #9337484

Considering the gas shortage along the coast from "Sandy", I don't think those prices are too bad.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
4:46 PM

Post #9337486

Watch - they will now use the Middle East turmoil to jack it up again even though no oil in Israel or Gaza.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
4:50 PM

Post #9337492

Love how the Wash Post only 'realizes' this NOW.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/15/this-graph-should-scare-you/?hpid=z13
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
5:30 PM

Post #9337516


Paying $3.79 a gallon.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 19, 2012
7:12 PM

Post #9337593

3.499 here

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 19, 2012
7:37 PM

Post #9337621

Secretary of Treasury wants to entirely eliminate debt ceiling. What can go wrong??! Don't we all call our credit card company and ask them to raise or even eliminate our credit limit entirely when we show we cannot pay down our balance? Aren't they so happy to help?? Twilight Zone.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 20, 2012
8:08 AM

Post #9337996

Re: Twinkies and the bankrupty court judge: http://news.msn.com/us/hostess-liquidation-too-sweet-for-managers-court-says?ocid=ansnews11

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 20, 2012
1:19 PM

Post #9338247

Twinkies- Lets DUMP the senior managers and use all that money to keep the underlings working as long as they will. They probably know what to do just as well. What a load of carp. Didn't the senior managers earn big salaries before on the premise that they knew how to manage, and not go out of business.? Insane.
And yeah, you only have to talk to your neighbors to know the recovery is struggling.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 20, 2012
4:32 PM

Post #9338427

They had the right to work or go POOF, They are going poof and will get UE & some food stamps & some more.

I have been off here and will be till, who knows. Went to work at 7 and just getting home = ughh Tormorrow at 6

I am gonna highJack this thread - sherries new work schedule




















victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 20, 2012
4:50 PM

Post #9338443

Hang in there, Sherrie!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 20, 2012
4:55 PM

Post #9338446

TY - Victor I am having a QUITE moment :-)

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 20, 2012
7:25 PM

Post #9338686

sherrie- the paycheck will perk you up when it comes!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 21, 2012
4:57 AM

Post #9338840

Sherrie -
I am happy to have you hijack the thread with your work schedule because it is so much better than you not working and being worried and depressed! Go Sherrie, go! (Although, I do miss the pretty cups and saucers...)

On that note - I have today off to "cook".

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 21, 2012
5:13 AM

Post #9338852

Cooking for whom?
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 21, 2012
5:18 AM

Post #9338856

My girlfriend and me. We alternate houses and she does the turkey and hosts this year. Then we go to the movies. On Christmas we eat out (I already have a Groupon for a favorite Indian Restaurant in Downtown New Haven) and then we go to the movies.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 21, 2012
5:51 AM

Post #9338889

Sounds better than sharing my TG with my half-sister, a love-hate relationship! She lives in the other half of this house and we have separate everything except the oven, and W/D.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 21, 2012
5:56 AM

Post #9338895

The best part is that she is NOT going to make pumpkin pie with soy milk this year! Woo Hoo!

After doing this for a number of years we have lists of "never agains" like brussel sprouts, marshmallows on sweet potatoes, that stupid canned green bean, mushroom soup and fried onion ring casserole, etc.

One year she insisted that I hadn't cooked the turkey to a high enough temperature and I had to put it back in the oven. That was the famous Kalahari Turkey year. (She has promised never to tell me how to cook the turkey again.)
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 21, 2012
5:59 AM

Post #9338899

that is funny

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 21, 2012
7:38 AM

Post #9338968

LOL
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2012
9:12 AM

Post #9339040

Ummmm... Methinks it was a little dry? Heehee.

I agree Sherrie, much better to hear you have a paycheck coming in. Very excited for you!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 21, 2012
11:54 AM

Post #9339148

Left @ 7 just got home & have to go back from 4-7 Ughh. See the white thing on the right? It is now semi- retired. Its the dogs car.

Thumbnail by schickenlady
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sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2012
4:07 PM

Post #9339341

It's not burgers its not burgers its not burgers...
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 21, 2012
5:42 PM

Post #9339403

My homeowners insurance went from $ 884 in 2011 to $1089 in 2012 and $720 in 2013, WTF? Now I have to read the entire policy to see why it is so much lower. My house payment is set prior to the mortgage company getting the insurance bill - so last year they didn't raise the payment to cover the HUGE increase, so this year my payment is $80 a month more to cover last years increase and this years insurance at the $1089 - which is only $ 720. Anyone else thing I should change insurance companies?

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 21, 2012
7:08 PM

Post #9339481

Yep I'd switch

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 21, 2012
7:48 PM

Post #9339526

We have Erie with car and home both, one assumes some sort of 'better' deal. I doubt it can hurt to shop around.
Last time I shopped, one of them asked specifically if we had a trampoline. Remember all the hoo ha about trampolines?
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 22, 2012
12:41 AM

Post #9339613

Kicker is a red car pays more insurance then the same car if it was blue
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 22, 2012
5:41 AM

Post #9339732

That smacks of color discrimination!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 22, 2012
7:39 AM

Post #9339851

Probably based on some feeble ancient stats too.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 22, 2012
9:17 AM

Post #9339916

Years ago the company I worked for provided a leased car, a Mercedes sedan, because often I had to take medical doctors to lunch or dinner. Mercedes had a chart of car colors based on accident stats. White was the best, then the various cream colors, then pale colors. Red and Blue were in the group with the most accidents... and red cars get more attention on the highways from the police.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 22, 2012
10:35 AM

Post #9339951

That red car is costing more then the white car. Granted it is newer but still.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 23, 2012
6:06 AM

Post #9340422

darius is correct about the red cars

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 23, 2012
8:10 AM

Post #9340485

Cops stop the red cars quicker for speeding,too, me thinks.
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 23, 2012
8:35 AM

Post #9340501

State trooper stopped me early yesterday am just as I was finishing my newspaper (massive ads) routes.

Yep, had to use the red van cause it all wouldn't fit in my white station wagon and still be able to drive it!

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 23, 2012
10:12 AM

Post #9340525

Still a case of one, but it happened once to me, so that makes two. Fight it!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 24, 2012
2:24 PM

Post #9341418

Tomorrow, Sunday , 1st day off in 9 days. Monday I start the new store " it will be my store" & still have my local store. I can feel my 1st ride 30 miles in a snow storm.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 25, 2012
8:33 AM

Post #9341927

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