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Iris2222
Carmi, IL
(Zone 6b)

August 16, 2012
7:46 PM

Post #9244159

I was thinking about buying Daring Dilemma but in some pictures it is a pink color and in others its a peachy color. What is the true color of it? I am hoping it is pink. If it isn't pink what other daylily looks like it and is actually pink? Thanks for any help on this.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 16, 2012
7:53 PM

Post #9244168

Color can vary with different soil types. Here is mine.

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l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 16, 2012
8:42 PM

Post #9244205

Hemlady is correct.

Here is Oxymoron that I bought from Blueridge in North Carolina. I bought it for the coloring. Then, look at mine! The color is totally different but Bob said mine is truer to color as it is supposed to be. Go Figure!

Linda

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nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 18, 2012
9:24 PM

Post #9246181

Linda, they do not even look like the same daylily at all.

Karen
Iris2222
Carmi, IL
(Zone 6b)

August 19, 2012
5:01 PM

Post #9246944

I went on & bought Daring Dilema. I have been comparing pictures of daylilies & also looking on the AHS website too before I buy them. Can't wait to see them bloom next year. :)

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 19, 2012
9:28 PM

Post #9247140

I2Ie

Here is a match to yours also from Blueridge. It is a dip named PARTY PINAFORE

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blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 19, 2012
9:35 PM

Post #9247147

It isn't so much the soil, but the time of day, quality of sunlight, or lack of it, even the direction you are taking the photo from.

I never take photos in sunlight. I use a white photo umbrella for more saturated and true colors. Cloudy and overcast days are perfect for taking photos. Even evenings just as the sun begins to go down, is also good. I am talking about a digital camera ofcourse.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 20, 2012
7:04 PM

Post #9248364

Blomma, wow, that really does look the same! Banned In Boston is pretty much the same color, but it has a lot more ruffling on the petals and more prominent veining.

I'm with you. I like taking photos on bright overcast days, but I'll take them in bright sunlight as well. But in that case I will take a pic mostly only if the lighting is head on, so that it's not casting any harsh shadows, and I make sure the exposure looks right. I stop the lens way down. I like the late evenings, too. Early mornings are good for daylilies that open well at that time, as this is when their colors are the freshest and most saturated looking.

Karen

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 20, 2012
7:57 PM

Post #9248423

Karen,
I took the last DL photos yesterday. Mine are all bloomed out with this years season. PARTY PINAFORE has a few buds left but I have so many photos of it. Still have to edit my photos taken this year since most of my new ones bloomed. Also check the names against Tinker and AHS website. Got pods maturing but not as many as I had hoped even though I crossed in the morning before going to work.

I have one last iris pod to harvest. Got plenty of them. Irises are easier than DL since they bloom when it isn't so hot.

I sold all my dip DL from Walmart on Ebay cheap. Had bought a box with a dozen or so 6 years ago Couldn't not toss them. They were noids but pretty. Have a few purchased from Gilbert Wilds that are named and will keep to use in pollination since I do have some new dips.

Lilly
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 20, 2012
8:32 PM

Post #9248450

Verry interesting Blomma. I sent Bob an email regarding Party Pinafore
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 20, 2012
9:02 PM

Post #9248464

I just got an email from Bob and he says PARTY PINAFORE is quite round, OXYMORON is fairly skinny.

I'm including a couple of pics. The first one is Oxymoron at Blueridge The second is mine on Dave's Garden, Third one is Oxymoron somewhere else and the 4th is of Party Pinafore at Blueridge.

I don't think Party Pinafore looks like my daylily at all. I also don't see the likeness to Oxymoron in the 3rd picture.

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nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 21, 2012
8:18 PM

Post #9249580

Lilly, I'm with you, I just can't throw out nice looking NOIDs, so I pot them up and sell them or give them away.

Quite a difference. I think I like PP better.

I have noticed that Bob usually uses the hybridizer's photos, not his own from his own gardens. Maybe he's not good at photographing them. Personally I prefer to use my own photos when I sell on-line.

Karen

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 21, 2012
11:10 PM

Post #9249665

Karen,
I agree. I always use my own photos also. Bob told me that if a photo he uses don't have his Blueridge name on it, then it is one from the hybridizer. I also read somewhere that photos from the originator is sometime missleading. They put the perfect photo for obvious reason. I noticed that Bob's photos are ofter taken in the sun.

Found I had enough to make another sale of Noids and I just sold the last of the Noids on Ebay. That leaves me with more garden space for either seedlings or more daylilies. I have 156 seedling now so won't be sowing many seeds this season. I also have 144 iris seedlings, all growing outside. All are from November-January sowing. Sold my extras of those from 2010 since they bloomed.

My daylily seedlings. Photo taken Aug 8, 2012. You can also glimpse some of the Irises on the right side.

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blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 21, 2012
11:33 PM

Post #9249670

I2Ie, if I understand you correctly, all of the first 3 photos are of Oxymoron taken in different places. Personally, I think you got the wrong daylily from what you ordered.

I received 2 daylilies as a gift but they were not what the name said, nor does the description fit. I received a wrongly named DL the first time I ordered from him. It was a gift. I contacted him and he couldn't give me the correct name. Said that they are slowly getting rid of dips and whereever that one grew something else was planted. .

Photos don't lie on these below. They were gifts but still...

1] Blueridge ENCHANTING ESMERALDA
2] My ENCHANTING ESMERALDA that I received
3] Blueridge FORSYTH COMANCHE
4] My FORSYTH COMANCHE the flower is 2" and the plant only 12"

I have the feeling that gifts are those he wants to get rid. Perhaps the tag with name is gone. Not all the giftsent were wrong. Those I ordered were correct.

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l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 22, 2012
7:22 AM

Post #9249866

Thanks Blomma, your "differences" are truly different!

Bob sent me pictures of both Party Pinafore and Oxymoron taken in HIS gardens. I don't see where the blooms are anything alike.

Oxymoron - When it was warmer
Oxymoron - After cooling off - early in the morning

Party Pinafore

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blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 22, 2012
5:29 PM

Post #9250534

I2Ie,
Compare the anthers of both cultivars. They are not the same. Party Pinafore has thin blackish and I never see a good supply of pollen.

Keep in mind that Bob may have helpers that dig plants to ship.
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 22, 2012
6:39 PM

Post #9250591

My suggestion Blomma, is that you not buy from Bob. That way you will avoid the problem.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 22, 2012
7:18 PM

Post #9250663

Was trying to help you!. Those I purchased were correctly named.

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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 23, 2012
8:37 PM

Post #9251821

Lilly, that explains a lot. I will have to remember that photos on Blueridge that have the Blueridge name on it are Bob's own photos. I agree with you that some of the hybridizer's pics misleading. I like it when they put up several different photos of the bloom, taken at different times and in different lighting, with clump photos as well. I know that some will do digital enhancing, too, which is terribly misleading. I would never do that.

As far as purchasing from Bob, at least the ones you ordered were correct. That's the most important thing. I suppose it would be easy to get stuff mixed up with gift plants, especially when other people are digging for you.

Linda, I think your daylily looks more like Oxymoron than PP. PP is definitely more rounded and has a much wider light pink edge than what yours looks to have. I'll bet yours will look better next year. This was its first year blooming, wasn't it?

Lilly, I can see that your PP has more rounded petals than Linda's Oxymoron. Still doesn't look quite like Bob's, though. I was also comparing the anthers from the pic you posted to the pics of Bob's that Linda posted, and the anthers on yours look much less substantial than Bob's. I'm may be a difference in conditions (dryer weather out your way, different soil type, whatever). As we all know, different conditions can make flowers look different in different gardens. You never know what your gonna get.

Karen
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 23, 2012
8:53 PM

Post #9251827

Karen, I agree. PP looks totally different to me. Shape, form etc. When I asked Bob about the difference in colors, that is what he said too. Soil and weather mainly, but he DID say it should look even more different next year.

I'm always amazed when I see 3 or 4 pictures on Tinkers about the difference in the colors. Also, I know that the time of day counts as to the actual shape of the flower too. Like Walter's Tango. Later in the day, it drapes and has the crispate look, but it doesn't look as drapey (?) in the early hours of the day. Another one like that is Handsome Ross Carter.

Bob's daylilys all have more purple rather than burgandy coloring and more vibrant colors than I get. I think a lot of mine are just washed out from the sun. I don't see that problem so much early in the season, because it isn't so blasted hot.

BTW, that last posting with the pictures were ones that Bob sent that HE took in NC!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 23, 2012
9:10 PM

Post #9251830

Yes, I figured that (on that last posting of pics).

Do you take most of your daylily pics towards the end of the day? Yes, most will look different by then than they do in the morning. Generally in the morning the colors well look more vibrant, and by then end of a hot day they look more washed out. I have some that look positively melted by the end of the day. One that comes to mind is ETCHED EYES. I love it for the really beautiful patterning in the eye, but it looks awful at the end of a hot day, so I'm thinking of selling it off. Not to mention the fact that it's a poor increaser for me, so I never have any to sell, pretty much. Here's a pic of it. I don't have a pic of it when with it looking all melted, as I never keep any bad looking pics, or I just don't bother taking a pic if it looks bad, as I have so many, and it already takes much of my time taking pics, that I only photograph the best looking blooms, mostly.

Karen

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nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 23, 2012
9:16 PM

Post #9251841

Hmmmm... I just looked up EE on Tinkers, and it has produced 20 kids, some really nice ones, too. I especially like DELTA BLUES and SPIN ART a lot. I have WEB OF INTRIGUE also, which is one of it's kids. That one melts in the heat, too, but not as much as EE does. Am now thinking I should keep this flower for hybridizing with.

Karen
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 23, 2012
10:17 PM

Post #9251868

Yes, I usually take my pictures when I get home from work. Still working part time most days. I walk out in the yard in the morning before I leave, but lots of times the blooms are NOT totally open at 7:30 in the morning.

I too have ETCHED EYES. I think it was a gift from Bob. It is too young to bloom as I just got it in June. Next year I'll let you know what happens in my garden!

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blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 23, 2012
10:45 PM

Post #9251875

Karen,
Just got through editing out some DL photos of PP. It is a dip and I have only one like that. To my surprise I got photos that look completely different of the same plant. Would a plant produce some flowers that are a bit different. I never noticed when I took the photos.

The first 2 are the true colors. I checked with AHS. It is the others that I am perplexed over. Even the anthers look different. This is the first year it bloomed. Planted last year.

Edited to add that I tried to cross it with other dip. It wouldn't take. The pollen didn't work either.

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hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 24, 2012
4:42 AM

Post #9251948

The more I raise daylilies the more perplexed I get at times. I have observed that newly planted ones, especially ones I get from southern growers, can take up to 3 years to settle in and bloom correctly. I have even experienced that with one of my own seedlings this year. When it bloomed it didn't look anything like it did the previous year. If I hadn't marked it, I would have sworn I had the wrong plant. And we have had such a wierd summer with weather this year that I guess anything is possible.
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 24, 2012
9:34 AM

Post #9252196

Blomma...here is another picture of PP from DayLilyHaven Gardens. It looks different from the ones you posted. Crazy Daylilys!

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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 27, 2012
9:55 AM

Post #9255499

Lilly, yes, daylilies of the same variety can have differences from day to day. Depends on the weather often times. I noticed the 3rd and 4th pics of PP that you posted above have a less pronounced edge to them. I also noticed that those 2 were wet. Rainy day or watering? If it was raining, then it was probably a cooler day, and that can affect how a flower looks.

Hemlady, I'm not an expert on hybridizing, as I've yet to grow any of my own seeds yet, but I have read that first year bloom on seedlings can sometimes look totally different than blooms on the same plant in subsequent years, though I don't know why this is. This is part of why it takes awhile to go from a seedling to registration, as they have to be evaluated for I think at least 3 years to see how it performs. Same goes for new plants that you've gotten bareroot, as you have observed yourself. I've observed the same thing in my gardens. As they say, first year it sleeps, second year it creeps, third year it leaps. They say a perennial is mature at 2 years. Well, I say that may be true of a good size one that was purchased potted up, but when purchased bareroot it goes into shock and takes longer to mature. I have also noticed that whenever I move any of my daylily clumps around, then the following year they do not get as tall as they're supposed to be.

Karen
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 27, 2012
3:33 PM

Post #9256020

Well I have had this seedling Karen for over 3 years but I think when I moved it to another part of my yard it kind of set it back or something. The bloom looked entirely different this year. I'll just have to wait another year to see what it looks like I guess.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 27, 2012
8:38 PM

Post #9256459

Only time will tell. Interesting how they can change.

Karen

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 27, 2012
9:00 PM

Post #9256491

Karen, no it was from waterin in the morning.

Now another queistion. When a DL reblooms, I assume it is from a different fan and scape. I noticed that my CLEOPATRA'S JEWEL is developing another scape with buds. It has already bloomed, starting from June 10 to July 4 on the same scape. The new scape is on another fan.

I have a cross that has sent up a new scape on a new fan in June, July, and Aug. It is a diploid. In other words it has 3 fans which produced 3 scapes. It is its second year to bloom.

1] Cleopatra's Jewel
2] Seedling x Seedling photo taken Aug 4, its 2nd time blooming.

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l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 28, 2012
5:46 PM

Post #9257586

Blomma, I love that 2nd picture of PP on 8/23! Also that Cleopatra's Jewel. That is a gorgeous one!

Linda

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

August 28, 2012
8:34 PM

Post #9257801

When talking about reblooming, it's when a daylily puts out another scape on the same fan that bloomed earlier in the season. It's not a scape on a different fan that has not bloomed yet. Does that make sense? Hope I was helpful.

Karen
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 29, 2012
4:14 PM

Post #9258634

Karen, does that mean that one should not cut the drying scape off? I thought you were supposed to pull the finished/drying scape. If what you are saying is the rebloom is on that same scape, then I would be "preventing" a rebloom if I remove the old scape.

Right?

Linda
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 30, 2012
3:43 AM

Post #9259018

Rebloom would be on a new scape.
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

August 30, 2012
4:29 PM

Post #9259732

Thanks Hemlady...that is what I understood too. A new scape on the same fan that already bloomed. Is that correct?

Linda

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 30, 2012
8:17 PM

Post #9259978

Thanks Linda, Yes it is a beauty.

Hemlady, thought I had it straight. A new scape. Ok. But does the scape grow from the same fan, or a different new fan.

To quote Karen:
..."it's when a daylily puts out another scape on the same fan that bloomed earlier in the season. It's not a scape on a different fan that has not bloomed yet."
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 31, 2012
4:40 AM

Post #9260143

Grows from the same fan.

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

August 31, 2012
5:56 AM

Post #9260204

Hemlady,
Oh Darn! Then I don't have a rebloomer since it bloomed from another fan. Oh Well...but thank you for clarifying.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

August 31, 2012
11:31 AM

Post #9260532

I know, I get disappointed too. I don't get very much rebloom here.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

September 1, 2012
8:41 PM

Post #9261987

Oh, good, glad everyone's questions got answered. I have not been on for a few days. Been really busy.

Karen

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

September 2, 2012
10:15 AM

Post #9262410

Fall is around the corner so I am trying to finish what needs to be done before winter. So far I have done:

Harvested Iris pods, and waiting for DL pods to ripen. Moved a few seedling to take the place of those that sold. Checking all id labels to make sure they are readable. Have made hardcopy of all with location and names just incase...

After the extreme heat that is still with us---weeks of low and upper 90's---I am tired of it and don't mind winter coming. Hardly any rain and it seems like we are back to drought. Had 3 good years with rain and snow which seems to have ended. Needless to say, my water bill went up in price.

Have digital timers for front and back. Hoses stayed in place. Before I removed them for mowing, I spayed their location on the lawn with white spray paint. Worked great! My lawn looked great all season with regular watering. I mow only every 2 weeks for the grass clippings I use as mulch around the DL.

Below is my timer setup in the back. One 2-cycle is in the front. I don't have enough water pressure to do all on one timers so have to split the time---the reason for several timers. The first photo is the system I bought this year at Walmart. It is great. I have 3 of them. The 3rd photo is my setup. Photo taken to remind me for next year how I had it hooked up.

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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

September 2, 2012
3:55 PM

Post #9262662

You must have a really green lawn. We never water ours. Doesn't look bad, though. Could be better.

I have been working on getting beds weeded. I had taken a break from gardening for a few weeks, and I couldn't believe how much the weeds had taken over in that short amount of time. I am putting down mulch where I weeded, so won't have to weed there for awhile. Probably not until next year. In fact, if I mulch again in the spring, I probably will have very few weeds for the rest of next year.

I went to a couple of garden centers today and came home with 2 elephant ears, a dwarf banana plant, 2 huecheras and a dwarf birch that looks more like a Japanese maple and only gets about 3' high. Got a bunch of weeding done, and planted a bunch of stuff. A couple shade beds in front are looking really nice now. Just need to put down the mulch. I have to move some daylilies out of there, as it gets too much shade, and they never do well. In fact they are ones I will be potting up to sell. I have some Krossa Regal hostas I want to put in there. Today I put in a begonia (not a hardy one) and a hosta called 'Praying Hands'. In another part of that bed I split up the one of the huecheras, a dwarf variety, into several smaller clumps and planted them all together. Also put in some native ginger, which is a ground cover. Still have a lot of stuff to plant.

Karen

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

September 2, 2012
8:05 PM

Post #9262904

Karen, yes my lawn is green iduring the summeer for the first time since I bought this house in 2002. I lived for 20 years in Gt. Barrington, MA so know you don't have to water there. Hang your wash or plan a picnic and rain will sure to come. LOL.

Even during all the years I have lived in WY, I can't get used to watering a lawn. Seems such waste of water. Actually they only get it since I actually water my irises growing along my fences and the DL in the backyard. I used to think that whoever made the lawn, used cheap annual grass seeds for it would die down mid summer then go green again when it cools. Now I realize it was a lack of water. I always watered by hand and this is the first year for automatic watering system on a regular basis. I did put sprinklers up but didn't water regularly. In MA who worried about watering a lawn.

I see you are busy also. I always used to plant in the fall when I lived in MA. Here we plant in the spring. No one sells plants in the fall. Are the plants you bought hardy in your zone, like the dwarf banana?

I doesn't take long for weeds to get a head start. Last spring (2011) I had surgery and was limited to what I can do in the garden. Weeds really took over so this year it was twice as hard to get rid of them. I had to redo one garden.

Next spring I will redo a garden along my driveway that weeds took over. Will only plant drought resistant plants such as sedums there.

I really miss not growing plants that I had in MA which will not do in this dry climate. Lily-of-the-Valley, Astilbe, etc. I had beautiful tuberous begonias in pots outdoors. Here their leaves crisped. So glad that I can grow DL and irises here without problems. I miss the smell of rain. That woodsy smell. Here you smell alkaline. At least I don't have to worry about a flood.

Lilly

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

September 3, 2012
6:30 AM

Post #9263121

LOL! You're right about rain coming when you don't want it to.

No, those elephant ears and dwarf banana are not hardy. Will have to overwinter them in our enclosed porch. The other things are hardy.

I lived in northern NV for quite a few years. I really liked the dry climate, but yes, you can't grow all of the same things that you can here. You might as well also forget about dogwoods, rhodies and azaleas, and a host of other things. Can you grow hostas there? I never tried them in NV and don't remember seeing them around anywhere.

Have you ever looked at High Country Gardens in NM for drought resistant plants? Also Annie's Annuals and Perennials in CA has a lot that would do well for you, too, I would think. They're in a more Mediterranean climate, though, but they do have a lot of drought tolerant plants, and some that are quite hardy. I have gotten quite a few things from them that have done very well here, and they always ship really nice stuff that's packaged well.

Karen

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

September 3, 2012
9:46 PM

Post #9264127

I had to learn gardening from scratch when I moved to Nebraska first, then Wyoming. All the years of gardening in NY and MA didn't help at all. Had to learn what grows, the soil, weeds trees, etc. Not only lower temperature, but what can withstand our high and drying winds. Probably one of the most important learning experience was that if a plant is labeled as full sun here it will do just as well with morning sun. Full sun means full sun in MA. Western sun is too hot since we are at a high altitute here.

Yes, Hostas do grow here very well. I have the green and the variegated growing behind my house on the North side. Likewise alongside my garage. They are blooming as I write this. I have several cultivars regarding texture. Other plants that do well in shade are Ajuga, Bleeding Heart, Sweet Woodruff, and Bergenia.

Yes, my daughter and I combined orders to High Country. Neither of us orders any more. Most of the plants that I grow was started from seeds. I only bought plants when seed for them was unavailable. She and my son-in-law lives in the same town out in the boonies---meaning virgin prairie land of 80 acres. Sandy soil that is highly alkaline so much trial and error. What I can grow, may not grow at her place due to the soil and wind. She now settles on what she can grow after 6 years of trial. Some plants came from High Country. Hostas will not grow there. You can change the soil but not the water which is alkaline well water. Yes they do have nice plants and packaging.

I stick to DL and Irises and donated many of my other plants to the Extension service for their annual plant sale. I have a few plants in a special border like Salvias, Penstemons, Sedums, hen and chicks hybrids, iceplants. etc which are drought resistant.

Lilly

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

September 5, 2012
6:48 PM

Post #9266402

Sounds like an adventure growing things there, especially at your daughter's place.

I can also grow hens and chicks and sedums here, but a lot of the penstemons I've tried have not done well here, nor the ice plants. I have a hardy prickly pear cactus in a "rock garden" of sorts that needs to be redone. I have some sedums and hens a chicks in there, as well as some elfin thyme, some kind of daily-like flower that I can't think of the name of, some achillea, some dianthus, etc. I need to take everything out of there and add more sand and gravel and some bigger rocks. The cactus I don't even want to touch, as it has very fine spines that you really can barely see, and they are hard to remove. Well, it'll be a project for another year. Maybe next year I'll get it done. I do have a lot of sand I can add. Just need to get the gravel.

Karen

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