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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

August 31, 2012
1:37 PM

Post #9260693

A new thread for spring! Welcome everyone. We came from here http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1270208/#new.
Hello all you lurkers. Don't be shy. Join in or a chat, or post pictures of your bromeliads, or some you've seen in gardens or while on holidays.
Sue

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

August 31, 2012
4:40 PM

Post #9260874

Hi everyone,

Isn’t it great to see so many of our members writing and posting pictures; it’s really is getting to be an most interesting read each morning and much better than it was a while ago when there was only the usual two or three writing.

I’ve just visited an international brom forum of which I am a member and in it they have a section called “Where do you live?” and it’s very interesting to see all of the different countries where bromeliads are grown by hobbyists.

Although ours is mainly an Australian site, I thought it would be interesting to see what parts of Australia our members come from as it helps us understand better what type of growing conditions prevail and if plants from their areas would grow under our conditions or would they struggle a bit?

I’ll start the ball rolling by saying I come from the South Coast of N.S.W. at a little place called Shellharbour Village. It’s a couple of hours south of Sydney and I live just one street back from the ocean so I experience what you might call a maritime climate with often afternoon north easterly sea breezes.

What a fantastic lot of information and pictures have been posted since I last wrote and as I’m short of time unfortunately I can only make a few comments so for anyone who is left out let me apologise now.

Jen – Great to see you posting again. I’d love to see some pic’s of the Ursulaea macvaughii 's. (For anyone who doesn’t know what we are talking about, I grew these from seed and they just got to a certain stage when it became obvious they didn’t like our cooler climate so I gave them to Jen to weave her magic over and it sounds like they are out of control! ) You certainly have some beautiful foliage Vrieseas, but you threw me a bit with the name of the last one, as ‘Pink Sensation’ is a registered name of a Neo. and is not on the register as a name for a Vriesea; ‘Plantation Pride’ is registered but is a plain leaved Vriesea with a yellow flower (see pic from the BCR). Can you tell us a bit about the history and where it came from or who bred it if you know?

Sue - I eagerly await the pic’s of the final garden you have been working on so hard recently and I must agree with you about the owners of other gardens without brom’s, they do need to be educated, and what's this about Tash's T Shirt? Come on Tash show us all!

Karen – What you say about chronic illnesses is very true “there are good days and bad ones”, the trick is to make the most of the good ones by spending time out in the garden, as for the bad ones, do something interesting to take your mind of bad ones such as wading through the various brom sites on the web, it’s amazing how much new knowledge is to be found. Incidentally is that third pic Aechmea ‘Bert’? It looks very much like it.

Ian – Nice Crypts; unfortunately I’m a bit like Sue and they don’t seem to like me or my growing conditions and I don’t do well with them although I’d dearly love to be able to grow them, especially ones like your NOID in pic three, I think it’s a wonderful looking plant.

Wendy – You have a great collection of Crypts as well and just as a matter of interest, Crypt ‘It’ has a relative called Crypt ‘Ti’ which has a reverse of the foliage colour. However out of your little lot, ‘Marion Oppenheimer’ does it for me, and although I say I don’t do well with them, the little plant you sent me is still hanging on so maybe with some warmer weather it will “take off”. That’s a great set up you have for the seedlings now and I expect great things from you and Johnny. I also like your concentrica seedlings, concentrica is one of my favourite brom’s and a proven wonderful breeder.

Shirley – There’s nothing like a nice feed of good old “fish and chips” by the water. I think it was Jen who first told me about the VOMIT club and I seem to remember John Catlan’s name being mentioned so maybe it was one of his terms. I agree with you that nature is wonderful, and only yesterday I heard a commotion in the shade house and when I looked I saw the mother Honey Eater getting the first baby out of the nest to see the big wide world, I have attached an (not very good) picture.

Trish – You have a great looking batch of very well gown plants there. I see Sue has set you straight on the spelling of luedemanniana, quite a mouthful isn’t it? Actually you don’t really need to write all of that on a (very long) name tag if you don’t want to as Ae. ‘Rodco’ (inverta) is sufficient. The name lueddemanniana just tells us that is where the plant originated from. It is a beautiful plant and I was fortunate enough to get one from Sue a while back, but I can’t grow it as good as you can.

That’s it for now Pic 1 and 2 are of one of my new babies (first day out of the nest) Pic 3, Neo Meyendorffii variegata (Red Form) 4 is Neo Grace U.S.A. and 5 is Neo. Ice White River

All the best, Nev.

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ianperry

August 31, 2012
7:51 PM

Post #9261078

Hi all, 4 of the crypts are Margaret Pattersons, the NOID could be from anywhere, somehow I have to get it identified to give credit where it is due. It was something like this plant that got me interested in broms about 30 years ago. Living in near desert conditions and the expense and availability of shadecloth then, I had to look in another direction so I grew veggies and succulents.
I now live in Mackay about 5km from the coast but have a tidal creek 300 yards north of me. The front of my house faces north and there is a school 2 doors west.There are a lot of trees on my southern boundary and they constantly drop their leaves and fronds on my broms if I place them in the wrong place.
I have just been comparing some of my plants with photos here and realise that I have not got some of them in the right light. I also have to clean out some of them before crown rot sets in.
I am finding with Neos that some have colour for only a short time and these I am starting to cull.
I made a big mistake a few months ago with treating white fly with Maithion and left it on all my plants, I ought to have washed it off after a couple of hours. A lesson well learned. I lost a few plants to this mistake and some are still struggling.
I really like most of the pictures, some I'm jealous of.
Have a good one
Ian

Pic1 Blc Chia Lin
2 acanthrostaccys strobila seed
3 Ae orlandiana the bkack one
4 Ae Ramosa festiva

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ctmorris
barmera
Australia

August 31, 2012
11:57 PM

Post #9261163

Hi everyone. Thanks for all the well wishes. I am starting to get around okay now but boy has it taken some time. I still have my whole back taped, but I have to take it off tonight and put my waist strap on and see how I go. The physio said that the tape has to come off to let my skin breathe. We'll see how I go. Great to see a couple of newbies. Welcome Trish and Ian. I took a few pics of the SH this morning so have some to show you. My Vr. Platynema varigata has THREE pups on it. Whoo hoo. Not a lot of good colour in the Vrieseas but it will come back as the warmer weather comes. It's an absolutely beautiful day today for the first day of Spring. I took the boys down to the Lake and the playground for a couple of hours and since we got back they have been looking for lizards. They have a huge lizard tank that is ready for sleepy lizards but we haven't found one yet. Where I live is in the Riverland of SA. Our yearly average rainfall is 3-10 inches. It gets very hot in the Summer over 40C and in the Winter it can get to -8C so quite a varying temp. My Broms are in a SH on the Eastern side of my house and they seem to love it. I have been so grateful that they take little looking after while I've been laid up. Here's a selection of random pics for you all. Colleen

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 1, 2012
6:52 AM

Post #9261309

Hi everyone, it was quite a bit cooler here today, something like 10 degrees below average … not the best start to Spring.

Trish, great pics, great colours.

Sue, thanks for the new thread. I’ll have to figure out how it’s done one of these days.

Nev, I envy you living so close to the water. We would love to live close to the ocean one day, maybe a bit further north than Shellharbour … bit too cold I think. At the moment we live in a rural area on a 5 acre property close to North Pine Dam, about 30k north of Brisbane CBD. Love being away from suburbia but we are getting too old and decrepit to keep the place looking good. We have lots of large eucalypts that throw quite a bit of shade and attract lots of native birds and animals. Our shadehouse is at the back of the house, facing north east, great for the early morning sunshine especially in the winter months. And as everyone knows, our Brissie climate is great!!!

Ian, love the orchid. I switched from growing tropical plants to collecting succulents after a few years of prolonged drought and a severe shortage of water and I became rather addicted to them. I started collecting broms about a year ago and I am now totally obsessed with them, especially vrieseas, though I still have hundreds of potted succulents, mainly agaves, aloes and echeverias.

Colleen, so good to see you back here again and hope your back continues to improve. Now that you are able to get around you must make sure you don’t go overdoing it. Love your vrieseas.

I bought another vriesea labelled only ‘patterned leaf hybrid’ from Bunnings today … just couldn’t resist … love the colour, I’ll attach a couple of pics. Also saw some beauties at Masters, might have to go back there tomorrow.

Well, it’s getting late so I’ll say bye for now, Shirley



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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 1, 2012
2:48 PM

Post #9261694

Hi everyone,

Here it is a nice sunny day and no wind for a change. I’m looking forward to a nice relaxed Father’s Day with most of my family and grandsons so I guess I’ll be aching a bit tomorrow as the boys thinks I can run around at the same pace they can (how wrong they are).

Ian – Regarding your beautiful striped Cryptanthus in your post last month, it seems a shame for it to continue to be called just a NOID. Would you mind if I posted your pic on some of the other forums I visit as there are quite a few Cryp growers there as well as some international hybridizers and hopefully I may be able to get a correct identification for you. I won’t do it until I have your permission though as I know how people feel about others using their pictures without permission.

That’s a nice Blc you have posted and it brings back memories of my orchid growing days.

I am very interested in what you say about your experience with Malathion I assume it was a “typo“ and the “L” was dropped and it was “Malathion” and not “Maithion” as written. I have never heard about having to wash off this insecticide; I have used it many times in the past with orchids and occasionally in my early days with brom’s without any problems. What sort of damage did your plants suffer? Was it burning because they were exposed to the sun after spraying? I was always told it’s best to spray late in the afternoon when the sun has almost gone down and this avoids any of the burning problems.

I mainly stopped using Malathion because it was an “organo-phosphate” and there are now much safer insecticides around that do a good job anyway. Below is an extract of some of the written literature about organophosphates which lists problems even with low level exposure and this is why I don’t use them. In fact I don’t use any insecticides anymore and prefer to let the spiders build their webs on and near the plants and eat the insects instead.

Low level exposure of organo-phosphate:

Even at relatively low levels organophosphates may be hazardous to human health. The pesticides act on a set of brain chemicals closely related to those involved in ADHD, thus fetuses and young children, where brain development depends on a strict sequence of biological events, may be most at risk.[8] They can be absorbed through the lungs or skin or by eating them on food. According to a 2008 report from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, in a representative sample of produce tested by the agency, 28 percent of frozen blueberries, 20 percent of celery, 27 percent of green beans, 17 percent of peaches, 8 percent of broccoli and 25 percent of strawberries contained traces of organophosphate.[9

Colleen – It’s great to see you back posting once again and hear that your back is on the mend. You just have to remember not to overdo it and aggravate the injury. Best just to sit around and watch the boys looking for lizards; actually I’ll post a pic of a “big lizard” just for the boys. I’d just like to say that I’m pleased that our temperatures doesn’t get down to -8 degrees C like yours, if they did I think I’d have to move to a warmer climate.

Shirley – I think if you came down here to live after being in Brisbane you would regret it during the winter. As for living near the ocean, well it was great when the kids were little and were in the SLSC and the boys as they got older virtually lived in the surf; in fact they would go down on to the rocks with their mates in the early morning while it was still dark and light a small fire and heat up a few tins of baked beans which they would eat while waiting for the sun to come up so they could surf before going off to high school. When they came home from school it was the same old story; Hello Mum, Hello Dad, into the fridge to see what was there to eat, then surf board under the arm and off down to the beach for a surf again, this went on summer and winter.

I would love to have lived on a property as you describe, that would be my idea of heaven; but now that I’m getting on a bit and body parts are starting to break down, I think maybe it may not have been a good idea after all.

They’re a couple of nice Vrieseas you have posted. I heard from a friend that Len and Olive Trevor from the “Olive Branch Nursery” will be sending Vrieseas to most Big W stores from Brisbane down as far as Coffs Harbour in the very near future so keep your eyes open for bargains.

That’s about it from me now a few pic’s to finish off with, first a pic of a “big lizard” for Colleen’s grandsons, the next four are file pic’s of some of my Neo. seedlings which you may have already seen. Pic’s 2 and 3 are Neo. Painted Lady (sport) x Ferny Grove seedlings and pic’s 4 and 5 are Painted Lady (sport) x Grace seedlings.

All the best, Nev.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 1, 2012
2:52 PM

Post #9261698

Good morning. Happy fathers Day to the Dads amongst us.
I'm glad everyone managed to find their way over here.
Nev, the first photo of the baby bird is great, and the second one looks like he has a beak extension, heh heh. Jens V. 'Pink Sensation' originally came from me, and I THINK I got it from Pinegrove. I'm not sure. Its a cross with plantation pride and platynema I think? I'd have to google it. I think my neighbour might remember, or I can look it up in my book later.
Ian, I have made the same mistake with pesticides in the past, and now do any sprays in the afternoon and hose them off the next morning. It means there is no sunlight to react with the chemicals and 12 hours coverage should be enough. As for the colour in the broms, definitely experiment with light conditions, even on the ones you say stay green and only colour for a short time. I have a Neo 'Fanfare' that is devilishly tricky to get the light right for colour, but when I do, its awesome. Still haven't worked out the exact requirements, but I now have a few in different areas trying to get it right. Your black Aechmea orlandiana can take full winter sun, but not sure about your summer sun up there. here, I can have it in sun all year around, and it IS black!
Colleen, good to hear from you. I'd give your back a rub if I could reach through the computer, you poor chook! Your shadehouse is looking great, and the colours in your Vrieseas are good. megan looks well, and what is the one next to it, on the left? It sounds like the boys enjoy themselves, what with lizard hunting. I remember doing that sort of thing as a kid.
Trish, your new brom looks lovely. I saw some Vrieseas labelled the same, when I went north a couple of months ago, but nothing as nice as that. Looks a little bit fosteriana x platynema or something. It could be from greenstock nurseries. You might be able to Email them with a picture and ask for the name?
Ok, I live ten minutes north of Coffs Harbour, NSW. We have temps from 5 to (0n average) 35 degrees, and fairly high rain fall for the last few years. We live on 2 and a half acres in a nice estate, but have gum trees galore, making a mess and smashing all thats planted underneath. I try to deflect the branches by planting palms underneath, which does the make a difference. I have extensive gardens as i went through a phase (as we do) But wish I hadn't made quite so many. I have two shade houses, the bunker and the brom house. Both face north and get light from morning till afternoon. I started collecting succulents, then a few bonsais, then Broms and also orchids (loved yours Ian) I also propagate everything i grow and have sales once a month from spring to Autumn to help pay for potting mix, mulch, pots and fertiliser. It has been sunny for three week, hence my mammoth effort to get so much acheived. Unfortunately i am starting to feel the strain, so won't be gardening today!
Here are the pics of the finished bridge. it looks like it isn't quite level, but it is. Its just the light and dark timber making an optical illusion. I'll give it another coat of oil today to try and even out the colours.
Sue

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ianperry

September 2, 2012
2:11 AM

Post #9262046

Hi all, and what a day it has been. Fathers day in peace and quiet mostly doing something with the garden. I collected some more seeds for short term storage and planted some more Portea seeds germinated in the pods and some not germinated. I walked through my bush-house and removed dead leaves fom my neos mostly and found a Neo Madam Lash, well that is what I bought it as , now I know it to be xAnagelia Madam Lash. 1 that John Catlan bred fro crossing Ananas nanas and Ananas comosus marginata with a neo. The neo was the seed parent.
The flower on this plant is just about ready to fertilise and I am thinking that I could try to pollenate it with a Aechmea recurvata var recurvata. The flowers look similar in shape and readiness and what a mix that would be.
2 verigated plants, both with spines and good form and colour. What have I got to loose.
Nev it would be nice to have a positive ID on my NOID. Post away and this applies to any that may need further investigation.You have my permission. I noticed that when I water this plant , like tills the white stripes change colour and seem to blend in with the rest of the plant.
I was using Malathion to control white fly and as a preventative for fly speck scale. Sometimes this appears about a week after I get some plants home. I now use bleach ammonia and vinegar 50/50 leave it for about an hour and then wash it off. For some reason some of my neos get rot at the base of the leaves but not on the bottom 2 or 3 leaves up. We discussed this problem at our last monthly meeting and the probible cause was thought to be something sprayed on the plant and the residue did the damage.The general thinking was either a insecticide or a fertiliser. I am not using either at the moment and still have this problem on those same plants. Some will die without reproducing and others have pups at foot. I am wondering if like people, some plants are just more sensitive to some chemicals. Garnish, Kahala dawn, true love, blue nude chlorastricta margina alba were the most affected. I have a quarrantine programme set up to try to keep diseases at bay.
Sue I also have orlandiana picaninny and it is even darker, both of thes plants I have recently aquired and both are getting full sun for 4 hrs a day
Have a good one
Ian
Pic1 Anagelia Madam Lash
Pic2N McWilliamsii x Bold streak
Pic3N Garnish
Pic4N Kahala Dawn
Pic5N Coconut Ice pup

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perke_patch

September 2, 2012
4:05 AM

Post #9262066

Hi everyone. lots of reading to do tonight to catch up. was too tired last night and knew we had to get up early this morning for a trip to the markets to collect an order. up at 6am and out the door around 6.20. even the dog refused to leave his bed that early so we had to go and leave him inside. We were home again around 7:30 or 7.45 and he was still in bed. he has a headcold at present as do I so neither of us is sleeping too good at night. After such an early morning I won't be far out of bed tonight. so tired right now.

Nev I think we've been to see your lizard. That looks like one we saw at Normanton when we went up to the gulf last year.

Ian I love your black orlandiana and picaninny sounds lovely too. Please keep me in mind when you get spare pups. We have orlandiana rainbow and snowflake, ensign (albo) and reverse ensign (variegated). At present the aechmea garden is so full of ripening seed pods that we now have seeds down from rainbow, snowflake and we have 4 flower spikes from aechmea bert with nearly every pod full of seed. If anyone wants to try some of these let me know and I will harvest the seed for you. Nev your rainbow and snowflake seeds are on the way with a pup of hula girl.

shirley I love your vrisea from Bunnings. that's a lovely colour. I think I've seen similar at bunnings at some stage but didn't get one without a name. If we see something spectacular we buy without ID but didn't go WOW with these as we have similar.
Colleen love your vrisea pic too. lovely pair there. and so glad your back is getting better too. take care of your back as it is hard to live with a bad back.

setting up our seedling area we have taken the old plastic covered shelves out into the yard and scrubbed the plastic to allow more light in. Having them emptied gave us the opportunity to sort out our trays of seed. Boy we have a 4 shelf unit full of trays of vrisea seed. Can't believe we have so many. I haven't finished setting the area up yet so still sorting out the trays. I have identified a few trays that just don't seem to be growing so I'll take the opportunity to bin those. Nev I have taken some pics of seedlings for you but haven't uploaded the pics from the camera yet. will leave that for tomorrow night as I am ready for a shower now and early night.

Take care everyone and enjoy spring sunshine. Night for now.
Wendy
Pic is a tillandsia fasiculata minor "nidus"




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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 2, 2012
5:00 AM

Post #9262090

Goodness, I can't keep up with all the posts but believe me, my mouth is watering over the beauties you are all showing here. Sue, the bridge looks wonderful. You've done a great job!

Nev, that's some lizard!

Karen

Now I'm from Brisbane southside and we don't have crocs around here, excepting when... This first pic from 1905 is at the historical craft cottage where Colleen's sister works. Have no idea of the story behind it, but glad there aren't any more round here.
This unnamed bill. coming into flower today.
A mystery neo coming into colour as the sun heats up.


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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 2, 2012
1:28 PM

Post #9262538

Got a few new Aechmea Shining Light and a few Guzmania...

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 2, 2012
1:42 PM

Post #9262548

good morning.
Thanks Karen, for the compliment on the bridge. I like it so much, and can see it from the lounge room. I find myself standing there admiring it quite a bit. Sad state of affairs. heh heh.
I think your Noid Billbergia is perriams pride? (spelling). Its a lovely flower eh? Your mystery Neo looks interesting. How exciting, waiting to see what it does. Thankfully, I don't think there has ever been a croc in Coffs, but I should probably google it? Its enough to have to contend with ticks and leeches! heh heh
Ian, how nice to find you have Madam lash! I have a feeling that xgenus are sterile and can't set seed, but I think Nev has had success with one of his xGenus plants in the past? As you say, nothing to lose, and you'll never ever know, if you don't have a go! From the plants you mentioned that have been getting rot, I have only N. 'Kahala Dawn' and have had no trouble, although it is one that gets algae in the cup, which I now control with a 50/50 mix of vinegar and water. I just dip a cloth into the solution and wipe the algae off the leaves. This was mentioned by Mike (Bromalong) a few weeks/months back, and works a treat to clean them up.
Hi Wendy. We had a market morning too, but not so early and not for plants. We bought lemons, honey, lemon myrtle waffles (yummmm) and scored a bistro table and three chairs for $10. Theres always a spot in the yard for more seats!
As promised, I didn't garden yesterday. I oiled the bridge again and we went out for a baked late lunch with friends, and came home for an early night. All in all, it was a nice and easy fathers day. How did yours go Nev? We posted at the same time yesterday. Your seedlings look to be getting good colour. Nice to see.
I only have orchid pics to share at this point. the first is an unlabelled Dendrobium
The second is Coelogyne Christata, a trade from Wayne in the Aussie forums.
Sue


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 2, 2012
2:53 PM

Post #9262598

Hi everyone,

Well I feel I've finally made a bit of a start on all of my work for our upcoming show next weekend. We had our son and daughter and their families here for lunch yesterday and while they were here I got my son and son-in-law to carry up all of the large plants for our Main Display and put them in the garage. (Each year everyone lends a few plants for this large display and one of our lady members puts it all together). After everyone had gone home I was able to make a start on the plants and removed dead leaves and generally gave them a good tidy up, so at least that part of my work is now finished. Today I have to prepare my other plants that I am expecting to put on the show tables, however it doesn’t always work out the way it should as you sometimes may have what looks like a beautiful plant and when you start cleaning it up you find that Grass Hoppers have eaten a big hole in one of the middle leaves. This ruins it for showing as nothing can be done to hide the damage, if it’s just the tip sometimes you can cut it off in the same shape as the other leaf tips so it isn’t obvious or if it’s a bottom leaf, that can be removed also, but for some reason known only to the Grass Hoppers, they always chew on the leaves right in the middle of the plant……..bugger!

Sue – I must agree with what you say about the colour in brom’s being greatly influenced by light intensities and the importance of experimenting by trying different areas. I had a few Neo “seedling culls” which I put in the front garden because they were just what appeared to be a real “nothing” green colour with just a little bit of colour on the leaf tips. Once they were exposed to the extra light all I can say is WOW! What a transformation took place.

Your pathway to the bridge looks fantastic, your use of pebbles combined with the stepping stones is certain to impress the judges of the garden competition.

Ian – I read with interest what you had to say about your xAnagelia Madam Lash. I’m not familiar with the plant and this prompted me to go looking in the BCR at http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=xANAGELIA&id=9286#9286 and I recommend anyone else should read this interesting article about his cross as well; it’s written by John Catlan who made the cross so the facts are “Right from the horse’s mouth” so to speak.

To give you some idea it starts off as follows:
THE CREATION OF xANAGELIA ‘MADAM LASH’ by John Catlan (Also known as ‘He who dares’ because who else would name a plant after his better half and get away with it)

If you are going to hybridise bromeliads or anything else for that matter, there are three important principles to follow in order of importance.

1. The Dingo and the Fence Theory. A dingo knows if it travels five miles out along a fence and back again, it will make a kill and eat that day. This theory for beginners is the most important. If you do the miles you will succeed.

2. Ass Beats Class. If you haven't a clue what you are going to get, it's ass, helped along by doing the miles.

3. The Scientific Approach. It sounds great but in the beginning has very little influence on your hybridising. Later in your hybridising program, bits and pieces of scientific knowledge will assist your program but you have to go the miles.

I’ve never met John Catlan but I’ve read his book “Under the Mango Tree” and from what I’ve heard from people who know him, he’s quite a character and one who has bred some nice hybrids and reading the above lines from the start of this article really confirms what I have heard.

Ian you say you are going to hybridise xAnagelia Madam Lash with Ae. Recurvata and I’d like to say that once you get into breeding bi-generics, anything is possible, however by “going the miles” as John says and by this I assume he means looking at previous results using Ae Recurvata as a parent, you will often find that in a lot of cases, the Recurvata was the dominant parent and the majority of the resulting seedlings looked more similar to Ae. Recurvata than the other parent.

Although I’ve never owned this plant or bred with it, let me say that if it were mine, as well as crossing with Recurvata, (firstly I would do the cross both ways) I would also also try putting some of its pollen onto a variegated Neoregelia; that is a Neo. with fine variegations in the leaves as it has been found that these are most likely to be the “transmitters” of the variegation. I wouldn’t use an albo-marginated plant as a “Mother” because it’s been found that these usually produce useless albino seedlings that quickly die.

It’s certainly and interesting path you intend to travel and I’m sure we will all be interested in what you achieve and wish you well.

I’ll probably post your Crypt. Pic on a few forums as soon as I get a bit of spare time and I’ll certainly let everyone know the results of the search for an identity.

Ian, I had the same problem with Fly Speck Scale appearing a short time after I had received plants from other growers. The problem is that when these other growers prepare their plants, if they are showing this scale, they just clean it off and don’t spray it. This removes the adult scale but leaves the minute eggs behind which eventually hatch and that’s when you notice the scale. Every plant I receive from any region is always now cleaned (if not already cleaned) and then sprayed with Confidor which is a reasonably safe systemic spray which will kill Fly Speck Scale. I spray late in the afternoon and leave plants in a shady quarantine area away from other plants for about a month before examining them again for any scale and if clean, re-locating to an area with my other plants. Since I have been doing this I’ve had no further problems.

If I notice the odd Fly Speck Scale, I treat the individual plant with Clensel which is a natural and very safe insecticide. I don’t “blanket spray” regularly with insecticides as I have a lot of lizards, frogs and small birds as regular visitors.

Just to finish my rave, I would like to point out that once the Fly Speck Scale is dead, it won’t just drop off the plant, it still has to be removed and I find an old toothbrush with the bristles cut in half to stiffen them up does this job well.

There is an interesting article on Fly Speck Scale in one of our Illawarra Bromeliad Society’s past news letters and it can be found at http://www.bromeliad.org.au/news/Ill0408.htm .

Wendy – That pic of the “Lizard” wasn’t in Australia, I think from memory it was South Africa (I could be wrong about this) but I remember the story behind it quite well. In this particular village there were a number of animals and children going missing and it got to the stage where the villagers called in the army to try and sort out the problem and this is what they found and killed (with still some human and animal remains in its stomach)

Karen – That’s a good size croc. in your pic. “but mines bigger than yours”… Ha Ha. I’m glad you don’t get them where you live and there’s not too many here in Shellharbour either thankfully.

Your Billbergia could be Bill. Fosters Striate, although it’s usually just variegated, it is very unstable and mine will often show spotting as well. In fact last year it put up a pup which was plain creamy/yellow. Unfortunately, just the same as an albino pup, it died soon after removal from the mother even though it did have a good root system. I can’t help you with an ID for your mystery Neo though.

That’s it for today, I’ve gotta go, I’ve run out of time.

All the best, Nev.
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 2, 2012
4:08 PM

Post #9262686

Good morning. Brrrrrr...who turned the heater off?

Thanks for name suggestions for my mystery billbergia Sue and Nev. It was one I got from the Olive Branch, and had lost its name tag. The lady at the check out didn't know the name, but I liked the plant so got it anyway. The other mystery neo plant I believe is a Fireball hybrid. It may not actually have a name.

Nev, what is scary about that croc is that people went up north and brought back the eggs or babies, kept them in an aquarium until they got too big then released them into local waterways. That is so totally irresponsible, and it looks like that one stayed hidden for a very long time.

Nice orchids there, Sue, and Bree, those are nice newbies you have there. I love it when the underside is nicely coloured and the topside a nice green. The sunlight plays with the colours and at times they look amazing.

Hello to everyone else as well. Hope you have a lovely day.

Karen
ctmorris
barmera
Australia

September 2, 2012
4:22 PM

Post #9262705

Hi everyone. Firstly, before I forget, Sue the pinkish Vr is Snows of ManakeaXSpeckles. Starting to look nice eh? Your bridge is great and the pavers are excellent. Great job. I haven't seen any scale on my broms but some of my Epis have it. I just spray with detergent and cooking oil. Seems to do the trick. Another beautiful day, three in a row. Whoopi. The lady who does my floors is coming this morning so had better get moving. Have a great day everyone. Colleen

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 3, 2012
4:03 AM

Post #9263018

Hi Everyone!

Hope everyones well. By the looks of the catch-up read I just did everyone's looks to be keeping extremely busy by the looks of things. I know the feeling, the weeking flew by so quickly and I'm buried neck deep in paperwork yet again for another week, hanging out for the weekend already.

I will have to make this thread short and sweet as I have an early start tomorrow...

Luv everyones photos of a bit of everything these past couple of days, garden projects, brom's, orchids and BIG LIZARDS :) How Wonderful to read and look at all the great pictures.

Our location - we live on the outskirts of Townsville by the beach, on the second dune. We get lovely breezes and hear the sounds of the beach when it's high tide with the wind blowing in the right direction. Our house and garden is on a quarter acre block with many tree's (lemon, mandarin, avocado and mango) shading the back garden as well as the many paperbark gumtrees that inhadit the second dune area that cast beaufiful semi-shade across most of our back garden as well as the many falling gumleaves at present that I am constantly hand-picking out of my broms', mind you small price to pay in return for a perfect environment for my neo's to grow and all the wildlife we get to hear and see every day - amazing.

Anyway, just a couple of quick pic's, hope I get the fist one right as don't have my glasses on lol:

Pic 1 - Neo' Cane Fire (left) and Hot Gossip (right)
Pic 2 - Neo' Leopard
Pic 3 - Neo' Blushing Tiger
Pic 4 - Ae. Fosters Freckles

Well, goodnight everyone - look forward to having some time over the weekend to write and send some more pic's as well as enjoy the sunshine and spend quality time with my brommies lol.

Until then take care and happy gardening.

Trish

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ianperry

September 3, 2012
4:25 AM

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Hi all, First off I'll post a pic of this plant problen in Ae Fosters favourite favourite (red ribbon). This is the first ae that I have really noticed with it.I know I don't spend enough time with them and I could be more observant.This rot or dieback starts on the second or third row of leaves and works down. Sometimes mum has a pup and at others it doesn't. They are all relatively young plants and have not flowered.
I potted up some Ae prickly fella that i dont know the name of, I will find out one day.The mother is in someone elses yard, 3rd plant back from the beach on the left hand side of the yard. He has a beautiful collection.
Madam Lash in the previous pic was from when i first got it, May last year, now she has a pup and is flowering.
The Ae recurvata var I got from Bunnings a couple of weeks ago and it is flowering also. The only other brom that is flowering is Ananas lucidus. Ananas tricolor is close to flowering as well.
I have been here in Mackay for 12 years and have yet to see a live big lizard, croc, but I know they are here.#oo yards away is a tidal creek and there are crock nests somewhere in there. I don't swim in their pool and they leave me alone.
Pic 1 problem area.
Pic2 Ae recurvata var recurvata.
Pic3 Madam Lash today
Pic4 Madam Lash flower.
Pic5 Alacantrea Burle marxii

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perke_patch

September 3, 2012
5:35 AM

Post #9263066

Hi everyone. Cant talk tonight as I have 2 little girls staying over for the night and I know it will be an early start in the morning.

Love reading everyones posts. Ian I recently got a madam lash from a friend. Sue your garden is looking really good. Nice to see pics and think "oh I know where that is in the yard. I saw it when I was there.". You should do well in that comp I'm sure. love the bridge and stepping stones. well done.

Will check in tomorrow night a bit earlier so I have time to post.

Night all
Wendy
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 3, 2012
1:21 PM

Post #9263545

good morning.
can't sleep for thinking about all the many jobs I want to tackle. Only two weeks till judging! Today I am watering and fertilising the back brom garden, ready for mulching. Then I am going to tackle a small neglected garden by the new bridge, because it looks really sad in comparison. Later on, hopefully I'll have a chance to do a little bit of potting, just to get some things into the next size pot.
Nev, thanks for the compliments. The bridge is more for my satisfaction, but if I get brownie points for it, I won't complain. I know how you feel when cleaning up plants. I had a tough time finding anything without a blemish to go in the show a few months back. A couple that got placings weren't anything special, but they were in good health and clean with no blemishes. Some had had the blemishes trimmed,and no effort was made to follow the shape of the leaf, and they looked awful. I'm sure yours will be well tended. As for the grasshoppers, they prefer the new tender tips!
Hi karen, thanks for complimenting the orchids. They are putting on a show at the moment, and giving me quite a bit of pleasure every time I walk in the shade house. We get no interetsing bromeliads anymore, at the department stores. Big W used to get Olive branch plants, but I haven't seen one there for ages. I hope you are keeping well?
Hello Colleen, yes, that Vrieseas is showing some lovely colour. Well done. What is the first plant in your pics? I'm not game to open it as i might lose my post. But I will open it after I have posted. Wish i had a cleaning lady...grumble...grumble...
Hi Trish, i was up your way in May, visiting my sis for her 50th. I visited the queens gardens and the Palmeatum while there. The strand is very pretty too. Your yard sounds lovely and shadey, the perfect spot for bromeliads. A little tip for cleaning leaves out of the spikies (if you don't already know it) is to use a pair of BBQ tongs. I have a few pairs handy at all times, and try to resist the urge to reach in with my bare hands. Its not just the spikes, but the occasional huntsman scares the beejeezuz out of me! Your pictured plants look wonderful. I'd love to see a mature N.'Leopard'. Is that one of John Catlans?
Hello Ian, I can't help with your plant diagnosis, but can only deduce it is a rot, caused by fungal disease. I guess you would have tried all the usual methods? Tipping out the water, spraying with mancozeb or some such? What about treated timber? If you have it overhead, it can drip into the plants causing damage, or if you have it as part of your benches, it can be splashed up onto the plant when watering. Another suggestion that was made to me when trying to find causes of blemishes or rot, was the possibility of urine from birds, bats, cats or possums, so there are lots of things to consider, and some are outside the square. I hope you find the cause and or treatment and don't lose any special ones.
I think your plant in photo two is Aechmea 'Aztec gold'? I think, another one of john catlans? Your madam Lash flower looks interesting. How long have you had it? I have no luck with Ananus lucidus. It is always marked. I think it maybe a trifle cold here for it? the tricolour one does well. I heard they like a lot of fertiliser, so i supply that, but An. 'lucidus' still gets spots. Maybe I'll try it in the hothouse over winter next year, or maybe I'll banish it to the garden and see if it will cope better with its feet in the ground?
Hi Wendy, thanks for the compliments on the bridge. The garden should look like a park when you next visit! Although I could be sick of it all by then and let it turn into a jungle! Have fun with your grand daughters.
Hi bree, i posted at the same time as you and didn't see your post. Where did you get your new plants? Well done. I'm not sure how far away you are, but the bellingen plant fair is on this saturday. I'm hoping to find something new, as i havent had a brom fix in ages. i won't hold my breath though!
Shirley, where are you? I hope all is well? Are you having a day off DG? heh heh
No pics today, but maybe I can find a bit of garden to take one of, while I am out there?
Happy gardening everyone
Sue

breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 3, 2012
1:26 PM

Post #9263549

I got my new broms from Ebay sue. Bellinger is a little way away, i have to do the family thing in Woolgoolga this saturday though. hehe! Thanks for letting me know about the show though, i would have liked to go. I try and go to all the orchid shows around to pick up orchid plants. hehe!

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

September 3, 2012
1:55 PM

Post #9263574

Good Morning everyone,
thanks for the new thread Sue. Your bridge, pavers and stones look absolutely amazing, I really think the hand made pavers really make it too, it wouldn't of looked as nice with plain concrete type pavers, very well done. Pretty cleaver aren't you :)

To continue Nev's thing on where we all live, well I'm up north of Cairns, North of Port Douglas and close to the beach. We get a nice breeze here, Winter doesn't get that cold, but we do seem to get a few mornings that just dip into single didgits which is what some of the broms need to bring them into flower so that's good. Summer is extremely hot and humid here and the sun burns things very quickly. 70% shade cloth is not enough in Summer, last summer we had to have two layers of 70% over the brom house. Things like Ae blanchetianas and Ae bracteatas don't go under cloth in summer, but gee it takes a toll on them, they bleach out and usually get a bit of burn as well. Like someone else I know says, a lot of our "sun hardy" broms can't take full summer sun for 360 days of the year... it's just those few days out of the blue that are particularly nasty that fry them and then... well they are ruined for a long time. So most people up here around the Cairns area, even erect temporary shade cloth over full sun gardens over summer.

I love everyone photos, gee it's amazing all the different broms out there.

We had Bloomin Broms on the weekend and gee there were some good talks. I really liked Nigel's talk on fertiliser and his photos to show the difference of heavily fed, well fed and only fed when potted as a pup. Wow what a comparison. I must say in most cases I much rather preferred the look of the "well fed" broms, it wasn't enough to make them go strappy or loose colour, but gee the over all size and shape was amazing.
I brought a couple of nice Vrieseas off him that he brought up for the sales, only very young pups, but they should turn out lovely, they are NZ pinks, so should be nice once they get going.
All the speakers were most informative and well worth attending and the hassle it took to be there, it was a good day and well organised and ran smoothly.

Then on Sunday it was Carnival On Collins, for Father's Day and that was a very relaxed great day. Ran into a few brom friends, brought only one on Sunday but had a fantastic day out with the family.

Ian, I'm not exactly sure what your rot in the lower leaves is, but we do get a similar thing that goes on here. I'm not sure where your broms that are getting this are located, but I was told by a friend up here that certain broms never grow well in a brom house, they get that lower rot in the leaves and will rot out on you. We have had a few do it, and we have taken them out of the brom house straight away and put them in the open garden and they have recovered well. We were told certain ones need a lot of natural air flow around them. Neo Gunpowder is one for us that does not grow well in the brom house, but loves the garden. And our brom house gets a lot of breeze. I'm not sure if that will be of any help, but thought I would mention it.

Oh the shirt Nev, sorry I forget you aren't on Facebook anymore, I'll attach a photo of how it came out. It's my Favourite Macho on the front of it from in the brom house. It came up quite well.

Well I'll add a couple of photos taken yesterday in the brom house, just a Neo Kahala Dawn and a kautskyii, oh and a Neo MacTiger too. I have a few MacTiger's (Macho X Skotak's Tiger) and MacRegiT's, which is the reverse cross (Skotak's Tiger X Macho) and I now know there can be quite a lot of variance in these. Being a seedling batch (grex) that was produced and distributed, some really did come out better than others, and from what I believe, only the better ones were supposed to carry the names, MacTiger and MacRegiT, but of course anyone who has that cross, puts the name on them. I have one RegiT that is quite horrible at the moment, I am waiting to see if it comes right, but then I have another one from someone else that is just amazing. They are very different to each other. Anyway this last photo is my favourite MacTiger.

I hope you all have a great day,
Cheers Tash

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 3, 2012
3:39 PM

Post #9263670

Hi everyone,

It looks like it will be another nice day down here again so I can hopefully get a bit more outside work done and when the legs and back start to get sore I can make my way to the garage and sit on my bum and clean up plants for the show.

Sue – I’m pretty sure you’re right with your ID of Perriam’s Pride for Karen’s unidentified Bill. When I said Foster’s Striate, I made the old mistake of trying to ID a plant by not looking at the “whole picture” and when I look more closely at the flowers they definitely aren’t Foster’s Striate flowers as they are more bunched.

What also threw me a bit was all of the spotting on the leaves; I have Bill. Perriam’s Pride and it has no spotting, nor does the pic of the plant on the BCR. However the pic’s on the FCBS by Kent Jacobsson shows a plant with just very slight spotting (which isn’t obvious until you look closely) so maybe it’s unstable like my Foster’s Striate or maybe it could even be a hybrid between Perriam’s Pride and something else. Does your plant or anyone else’s have spots as well? Whatever it is, it’s a nice well grown plant anyway.

What you say about bi-generic plants being sterile and unable to set seed was once thought to be the case. Do you remember when you and Bill were down here I showed you a couple of these seedlings and they did look very much like Neo’s (in fact you took a liking to the colours in one in particular) but since then I have had a few that turned out more like the XNiduregelia seed parent.

In fact I put up pics on one of the forums showing seedlings from XNiduregelia ‘Something Special’ crossed with ???? I suspect another Neoregelia. I can’t say for sure as I didn’t do the crossing and I can’t get a clear answer from the “insects” as they won’t own up to doing the crossing either. Anyway when I put up these pictures on one the overseas forums, I was virtually accused of telling “porkies” by a well know international hybridizer, but then a couple of other growers came into the argument and said they had made seedlings from supposed sterile “mules” also (this is what they sometimes call bi-generic crosses) and the grower who first made the comment then said it had been the case every time they tried to cross them and that is what they based their assumption on.

Since then I have read about quite a few growers around the world doing successful crosses using a bi-generic parent and I am currently corresponding with a NZ grower who has commenced a breeding program using bi-generics as parents. So far he’s only developed fertile seed when the bi-generic was one parent and when both parents are bi-generic all the seed has been sterile (so far).

Ian – Based on the little I know about bi-generic crosses so far, I say to you, “go for it”, because as Sue says “you'll never ever know, if you don't have a go”.

I put up the pic of your Crypt on two of the larger forums yesterday and so far just one answer. The answer comes from an Australian grower who also has a brom nursery so his answer of Crypt Black Mystic could be pretty near the mark. I’ll wait until we get some more suggestion so they can all be compared against the BCR to give us a possible definite ID, but so far ‘Black Mystic’ looks pretty promising. To see Crypt Black Mystic, go to: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=CRYPTANTHUS&id=1312#1312 or the FCBS Photo Index at http://fcbs.org/pictures.htm

Colleen - Good to hear you’re on the mend again. What’s the plant on the left of your pic, is it Ae Burgundy?

You say you just spray any scale on your Epis with detergent and cooking oil. You must just have managed to get the exact mixture of the two unless you are using Rob Smythe’s recipe. I say this because if the oil component is too great and they are exposed to too much sun, you can fry the leaves on your plants, so be very careful. A well-known and tested recipe for the Canola Oil mix can be found by googling “Rob Smythe’s canola oil spray” and go to the heading called [CANOLA WHITE OIL - "Oils aint Oils Soll!”]

Trish – At first I thought your first pic was ‘Hot Gossip or ‘Predatress’ as they do look a bit similar but a closer inspection of the very fine spotting nails it as ‘Cane Fire’. In case anyone’s interested, it’s from a cross done by Shane Zaghini using Neo. [carolinae x concentrica] x Neo. 'Barbarian'.

You say your next one is ‘Leopard’; could it be ‘Catlan’s Leopard’? If it is, it’s a really magnificent Neoregelia when well grown. Next is the ever popular Blushing Tiger which everyone should have in their collections as it’s such a good grower and responds so well to high light. My main interest lies with the last pic though, Ae ‘Foster’s Freckles’, this is a plant I’ve been chasing for a very long time so if anyone has a pup they want to swap/sell, please send me a D-Mail.

Ian – Your pic of the problem plant suggests to me two possible causes, either too much water (as I have found all of the Fosters Favourite types prefer to be grown a bit on the dry side) or it’s suffering the effects of being grown beneath or near CCA treated timber and the copper has leached from the timber onto the plant during rain or watering (Copper is fatal to brom’s)

Your second pic is not Recurvata var recurvata, it is Ae Aztec Gold which is a sport from recurvata which John Catlan originally stabilized. You did very well to get one from Bunning’s as I don’t imagine they would be available there very often. I probably wouldn’t use it in the cross you mentioned in a previous post because when you look closely you see it has the yellow margins (flava-marginated) on the leaves and I fear they would probably give the same result as the white margins I spoke of (albo-marginated) resulting in albino seedlings.

However as Sue said before, “you'll never ever know, if you don't have a go”. I can’t speak from personal experience and it’s just a suspicion I have, but perhaps it would be worth a try if only to either prove or disprove that those plants with yellow leaf margins will also throw albino seedings.

That’s about it for today I’ll finished with a five pic’s from the XNiduregelia x ? just to show that bi-generic plants can produce fertile seed.

All the best, Nev.


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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 3, 2012
5:25 PM

Post #9263809

Good morning all. Wow, more beautiful broms to see. It is just amazing how endless these are, and to think people are creating new crosses and colours all the time.

Trish, that Ae. Fosters Freckles look nice. Something a bit different.

Bit of a rush here this morning so I'll keep it short.
Take care all.
Karen




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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 3, 2012
5:36 PM

Post #9263828

This is a test photo. Hope it works. It is Neo. Empress X Zonata.

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ianperry

September 4, 2012
1:14 AM

Post #9264205

Hi all,So many so beautiful broms and the colours are fantastic. I am fairly certain that copper is not my problem as my plants have been away from treated timber for 6 months. Some have never been near it here. I am very interested in an article by Darryl Ganter on the treatment of rot using unwashed beach sand and Captan. I have tried drying out the plants and washing with Miltons, leave for an hour then wash this off , dry out again and only water the roots, it is working on some plants, possibly because I noticed it early enough. The article was in The Illawarra Bromeliad Society IncClub news 04/07 that I just stumbled on while doing research. I printed it out on 13/05/12.
The flowers on the plants that I'm hoping to cross were not open when I left for work at 6.00 this morning but were partly open this afternoon and had a trail of ants going to and fro. I shook a fine probe inside and collected some pollen and tried to transfer it across both ways. I have marked these flowers with a drinking straw over each of then so that I will know which ones have been tampered with. One can get a variety of coloured drinking straws and I believe Margaret Patterson uses this method. I am keeping these plants upstairs on the verandah until they finish flowering. Out of sight out of mind.
Thanks for correcting my Ae Aztec gold, I am going to make mistakes and need to get it right All my Ananas in full sun are flowering now and on looking at lucidus it has spots caused in this case by flyspec scale. It is in the front of the yard and everything gois past it to my quarrantine area, looks like I need my quarrantine area on the footpath but I don't think the council would take kindly to that. Another bush house on the other side of the driveway could be the answer.
My thinking was that Black Mystic could have been it's name, but it seems more brown and in places there are tinges of green.I realise that 2 plants from the same clone could colour differentlyn due to different growing conditions.It is 1 that I erred on the side of caution. I will let those who know more than me guide me, I am a beginner, especially with identification.
I just took all diseased leaves off Ae red ribbon and found a fair bit of debris in there, holding lots of water, I'll keep it on the verandah for a while too.
This is a nice NOID for pic1
Pic2 a group of crypts
Pic 3 inside west end of bush house
Pic 4 Vr Splendens showing baby pups last week
Pic 5 Alacantrea vinicolour "Hawaiin Sunrise"

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 4, 2012
4:09 AM

Post #9264250

Hi everyone, another busy day, unfortunately I didn’t get done what I had hoped to achieve today. Kept having to stop and hang out washing and other such mundane chores when all I wanted to do was get stuck into the garden. Lots of weeds to pull out and mulching to be done … oh well, maybe later in the week.

We went back to Masters on Sunday, they had some really good promotions in store. We were after sugar cane mulch and they had it for only $9.?? something and if you bought 3 they were giving a fourth one free so we got 4 bales for under $30.00. They were also giving a $10.00 discount if you spent $50.00 (and that wasn’t hard). I bought another vr Hieroglyphica as mine isn’t looking good and a vr Gigantea Nova. We also had a 5% discount voucher from a previous promo so were very happy with our bargains. I will post pics of my two new vrieseas.

All is well here Sue, thanks for asking. I did have Sunday night off DG but planned to post last night but after falling asleep in front of the TV (such crap on, I don’t know why we bother), I decided to take a second night off the computer and fell straight into bed. I slept late this morning too so must have need the extra sleep.

Sue, I can relate to what you say about having too many gardens. Over the years we have put in quite a few, which wasn’t easy even then as we have lots and lots of rocks and not much in the way of topsoil so we would dig out the grass and the biggest of the rocks, put in garden edging, then bring in soil from the landscaping yard before planting and mulching. Now that we’re older, we find just keeping the gardens tidy and weed free a bit of an effort.

Wendy, I had a bit of a reading catch up as well after missing a couple of days … so many posts … isn’t it great. And I bet you enjoyed having the girls for the night.

Colleen, nice neo in your second pic … what is it?

Nev, good luck with your Spring show next week.

Trish, love your neo Leopard. I have an Ae Fosters Freckles but it doesn’t look like yours, it’s stunning. I must get mine out into better light as it’s quite green by comparison.

Bree, nice new broms. I should have pups for you in a week or two.

Tash, interesting what you say about fertilizing, does that include neos and did they define the amounts of fertilizer they used for the ‘well fed’ broms and also what type of fertilizer was it? And NZ pink vrieseas … lucky you, they are so yummy … and so are your neos Kautskyii and MacTiger.

Hi to Karen and Ian and anyone else looking in.

OK, that’s it for me till tomorrow, ‘night all

Shirley



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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 4, 2012
2:27 PM

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Hi everyone,

I don’t know what happened to my version of Dave’s Garden yesterday but when I got down to Wendy’s few lines saying she couldn’t talk as she had two little girls staying over, that was it; there were no more posts, so I finished adding a few pic’s and checked everything (still no posts) and so I posted my reply. After I posted it and opened it to check, I found three other posts before it, 1 from Sue, one from Breeindy and one from Tash, all posted a couple of hours before mine. Where were they hiding?????????????????

Sue – You say that Big W in Coffs Harbour used to get plants from the Olive Branch but doesn’t any more. A friend of mine who was at the Till Nuts’ conference in Vic. Said he was talking to Olive and they will be sending Vrieseas to all Big W stores from Brisbane to Coffs Harbour in the very near future (which should be about now).

Your tip about cleaning out leaves from brom’s is a good one Sue and we have found that for the junk right down where something thinner is needed, we get 10” forceps available through the brom society which are also very handy, they are stainless steel and only about $8 a pair.

I don’t have a pic of a mature Neo ‘Leopard’, but I do have a pic of a mature Neo. ‘Catlan’s Leopard’ I don’t know if they’re the same plants or not but I have posted a pic. below and now you can see why I was breaking my neck trying to get one.

Tash – Glad that “Blooming Brom’s” turned out to be a good show and that you enjoyed the speakers. One thing we should never lose sight of though is that when attending these conferences, occasionally some of the speakers are from other countries and the cultural methods they speak of are what are used in their country and won’t necessarily work here in Australia, I guess it’s a bit like reading brom books, one has to be aware of what country they came from.

No Tash I’m not on Face Book anymore and I wish you weren’t either, then maybe we would see a bit more of you here. The shirt looks fantastic do they come in 4xxxx with “Nifty Nev” on them? Maybe we could do a deal ….. Ha! Ha!

The colour in your Neo’s is just amazing and that plant of Neo Kautskyi is just great; and to think it’s a species which a lot of people look down on, but as far as I’m concerned, this one can hold its own against any of the hybrids.

Karen - Your test picture came out OK

Ian – Your NOID in pic 1 looks a bit like Ae. Mirlo; It has naturally very glossy leaves and slight “bumps” on the leaves in some places just like the plant I have. I have found the best dark colour will be obtained when grown in low light areas.

As for the Crypt NOID we are trying to ID. I have another answer back; this time from America:

""Hi Nev
This one could be several crypts. Black mystic comes to mind first or one its offspring hybrids like 'Absolute Zero', ‘Ice age’, ‘Sweet Tooth’. Growing conditions can change these plants as you know.""

As for the colour of your plant, you say, “but it seems more brown and in places there are tinges of green”. Light can play a very important part in the colour of plants and if you look at the pic’s in the FCBS Photo Index you will see most of the plants are more brown than black, although the pic’s on the BCR are more black then brown.

I think taking into consideration the two answers we got back (one from Australia and one from America) plus the information gained from the pictures on those two sites, we can safely say that your plant is Crypt. ‘Black Mystic’.

Regarding the treatment for fungus/rot, there are as many different cures as there are growers. I even know of a couple of growers who used a highly recommended fungicide from a respected company that’s been around for years, only to find that their problems increased and they lost even more plants. (Sorry I can’t name the company or I’ll finish up in goal)

That’s a very good tip about the coloured drinking straws, we were only discussing various ways of identifying flowers which we had pollinated in a recent post and I don’t think this method came up.

Shirley – They’re a nice couple of plants you scored. I think hieroglyphica is a great plant and one that everyone should have, and once again we have a species that can hold its own against any hybrid in my opinion. Vr. Nova is a C.V. (Cultivated variety) from Vr. Gigantea which is yet another species, so you see we shouldn’t dismiss plants just because they are species and not hybrids as there are many beautiful species and some which look much better than good hybrids.

I’ll finish with a few pic’s, firstly the beautiful Neo. ‘Catlan’s Leopard’, 2nd and 3rd some Neo seedlings freshly re-potted and 4th and 5th more of the same awaiting their turn to be re-potted.

All the best, Nev.

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ctmorris
barmera
Australia

September 4, 2012
3:18 PM

Post #9264879

Hi everyone. We've had 4 absolutely beautiful Spring days and now this morning it quite warm but all overcast with a bit of a breeze. Shirley the Neo above is Neo "Break of Day" and the other pic Sue is Ae Burgundy. I was out in the SH having a look around yesterday and am amazed at the pups that are coming along. I have Ae Freckles is that the same as Ae Fosters Freckles? Nev, tell me again please. What's the difference between a hybrid and a species? Shirley that Vr. G. Nova is something special, and as Nev says everyone "needs" a Hieroglyphica. Beautiful plants. Wow Nev, neo catlan's leopard is lovely. All the broms that did have any purple in them have faded at the moment but they'll come back with the warmth. Must go and get the boys ready Here is my Ae Freckles.. Colleen

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Gabi65
Newcastle(NSW)
Australia
(Zone 10a)

September 4, 2012
8:56 PM

Post #9265298

We are about to cop some strong winds, here, blast it!

I have some broms that I will have to get out of pots and into the soil/gravel to get them producing pups. I need to know what they are in relation to sun or shade planting. Since they are just about shrivelled, it will be some time before I can show them to you. I can get plenty of the little boys but they aren't labelled.

Chrissy just dug me out of an old brom forum and suggest I get in here. (I am always getting lost) The subject was Billbergia and I want to replant my side garden with a mixture of Billbergia Nutans, Anemone Japonica alba, Dwarf Impatiens and Club moss in the chinks.

I was away getting photos of the above and when I got back I found the link to here thatChrissy had left. (Thanks Chrissy)

I have a side garden about 3 metres wide and the house next door blocks a lot of the eastern sun and I get the sun 'till midday. I have Alexander palms which give dappled shade when the sun is high on the fence (eastern) garden. The western (house side) garden is in totally in the shade of my house by midday. I have steps up to the side door and under the landing is total shade all day, except in winter when a little gets under the steps.

Don't everyone scream, but I let the Native violets get away from me(ducking)! I will come back & finish this later or do another reply as my husband wants the computer.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 4, 2012
10:29 PM

Post #9265380

Hello Gabi. Nice to see you here. I will let those with more experience than I answer your questions as you live much further south than I. I have more problems in winter here as there is little to no winter sun at all here. My babies look very sad come Spring, but somehow they survive, get pups, and move right on. I guess we are lucky we don't get so cold in winter in Brisbane.

Nev, that Neo. ‘Catlan’s Leopard’ is divine. You mentioned the forceps once before. I thought it was a great idea then, and still think its a great idea now. I get so much debris in my broms from all the trees around here, including a couple of Leopard trees that drive me crazy during the leaf dropping season, and though those tiny leaves can often be flushed out, some do build up and get caught among the larger leaves that don't flush out. The forceps would save my poor hands from getting shredded.

Colleen, its nice to see your pics, and Shirley, those are good looking vrieseas there too. Ian, nice pics. I like that Alcantarea. I think I have one that I got as a hair pup (is that what its called?). It has grown in height dramatically but still only has 3 leaves. Must go have a look at it again.

That test photo was one of my pics that I had saved in Photobucket, which makes it very difficult to retrieve if you've lost the original from your own files. I wanted to see if I could post the photo, not just the link. It worked after a few tries of different things, but now I can't remember what I did that worked. Duh!

Hope everyone is feeling great. A bit of a chilly wind here this afternoon. We really need rain though. Can anyone email me some rain clouds?

Take care
Karen





Gabi65
Newcastle(NSW)
Australia
(Zone 10a)

September 4, 2012
11:00 PM

Post #9265394

Thanks Dawn,

My niece lives in Kedron and her mother, my sister, Cathy now resides in the Nursing home near her as her Parkinsons got the better of her and she couldn't be kept at home.

I am going to be all over the shop, as my side garden has a great variety of plants and of course, I want them all, as you do. I am putting up pictures so I can know from your experts here, just what broms that I have so far, should be planted where and I will get Photos up as soon as they are recogniseable!

This place is Great!
When your photos come up and they have red and white crosses in the corner, does that mean I shouldn't post them, cause they are too big or that I can delete them by clicking on the cross only If I Want To?
77sunset
Merino
Australia

September 4, 2012
11:14 PM

Post #9265397

Hello everyone. I am always lurking but dont post because you all have so many more beautiful broms.
I was going to let mine stay at the number i had already but I found that the extra pups sold well at my local trash & treasure so have bought a few more.
None as lovely as all yours but some cheaper ones that I can use for pups.
Most people that buy here are not worried about names, just that the plants look nice and are easy to look after.
I am just curious about the names for my own sake. I would not like to sell something with the wrong name.
If I am in doubt with other plants I sell such as epis or irises, I always stress that it is a noid. I only sell plants with names I know are right and always use my own pictures. If it hasnt flowered , I tell buyers and leave it up to them.
The ones I just bought are are a bit shabby but seem healthy.
I am not able to find a couple of the names.
I could use some of your expert help.. I will post pics later when the plants look a bit better
One is a large prickly fellow named as aech. callichroma.. I found this one on the brom index but there are questions as to what is actually given the name .Apparently one of those names dubbed on anything.
Another is neo Rosetta, cant find this one at all.
Another is neo Martin Novar ( sport ) cant find this one either.
Any help is appreciated but I am not really bothered if noone knows them . I will just sell any pups that come along as noids.
Half of my named collection has spent our cold winter out in the shadehouse in all the weather and aside from looking a bit dull at the moment , all are healthy.
I will have to wade in among them once the weather warms up and see what they are doing under those leaves.

I also bought a while ago from reputable sellers. neo. Burbank , neo Orange Crush, neo Hot August Night , neo Grace Darling x self and neo Shelldance.

So much for my keeping the collection smaller.
Jean.



ianperry

September 5, 2012
3:09 AM

Post #9265438

Hi all.When I tried to post tonight while setting up my pictures the words dissapeared, ah well I'll just have to try again. The photos with crosses on if one clicks on the cross it is deleted.
Nev thanks for helping to identify Crypt Black Mystic. I am taking Ae Miro to our group meeting on Sunday to see what they think.
Old timers disease got me and I have forgotten what the first 3 photos are but I see they are labled.
Pic 4 is Neo Running River.
Pic 5 neo picasso Blue Nude.
I am lucky with Blue nude i still have a pup on the parent plant, parent has gone bye bye.
Have a good one
Ian

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 5, 2012
5:24 AM

Post #9265510

Hello to Everyone!!!

Hope you are all well, as always enjoyed reading everyone's thread's and looking at everyones beautiful pic's.

Hi Nev, thanks just with regards to Ae. Fosters Freckles, yeah aint it a beauty, it was luv at first sight when I first spotted it's hidden beauty some 6 months ago now, it's colour at the time was mainly green all over but I could see slight hints of color and oval looking faded marking and though if I gave it the right amount of light it would be something I just felt would totally blow me away and it did just. I ended up purchasing another one a couple of months ago because I just had to have two lol and I can't wait for them to pup. Nev' as soon as they do you will be the first to know. I call these my "walk stoppers" in our garden because you can't help but stop and admire their beauty when your walking around the garden.
Nev in regards to your question about my Neo' Leopard, I do not know if it's the same as your 'Catlans' Leopard, but I hope that it is because the pic of your is out of the world - amazing! I purchased her from EBay and all it said was Neo' Leopard WOW!!! Large grower and that it was a hybrid, likes to grow in semi-shade and will reward you with lots of spots all over her foliage as she matures. Anyway the picture at the time of the mother plant was larg and full of spots all over her foliage witht the curves of the tip leaf coated with a line of the same color spot marking, but did not have the centre blush colour that your pic reflected, so I will be curious to see what my one does when it get's bigger, as soon as I know I will let you know.
Nev, thanks for the info on my Neo' Canefire on what it's crossed with, I had no info on this one other than Canefire written on it's tag.

Hi Karen, thanks - yeah isn't Ae. Fosters Freckles different.

Hi Shirley, thanks - glad you liked Neo' Leopard and Ae. Fosters Freckles, yes get your Fosters Freckles in more light, mine are in semi-shade and I will be curious to see how they go over summer, I am going to experiment and see how they travel. Shirley, luved your vriesea pics plants look very healthy and of good size.

Hi Ian, great pics', curious about your Vr. Splendens pups, could you please let me know if the pups produce from the bottom leaf as I hear they pups can pop up anywhere, even halfway up the plant. I have Vr. Splendens but am not to sure what to expect from what I have heard, but either way I can't wait to see my one pup. Can the pup's be removed easily/safely if halfway up the plant or are you best to sacrifice the mum and let the pups take over the pot?

Hi Colleen, luved your pic of Ae. Fosters Freckles, nice color and spots. The two I purchased from two different people called it the same name, and on the odd occasion I see them called the same on EBay.

Hi Gabi65, enjoyed reading your thread and seeing your pic.

Hi Jean, enjoyed reading your thread.

Hi Wendy, Sue, Bree - hope you are all well - I hope I have not missed any of your threads.

Anyway, trust I have not forgotten anyone from the threads I have just read, apologies finding it hard to keep up with you all but luving it, but please don't hate me if I have forgotten anyone, if I have my sincere apologies but I do care about each and every one of you and look forward to chating with you all real soon.

Time to put the kettle on, hanging for a cuppa lol.

Until next time take care everyone and happy gardening!

Couple of quick pics' of my babies and my big ugly foot lol:

Pic 1 - Vr. Fosteriana Seideliana Rubra (can't remember if I posted a pic of this one last month?).
Pic 2 - Neo. Dominos (mini) - not the best picture.
Pic 3 - Neo. Lime & Lava.
Pic 4 - Vr. Rubyae.
Pic 5 - Vr. Hieroglyphica Hybrid in flower (exuse my ugly foot in photo lol)

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 5, 2012
1:48 PM

Post #9266051

good morning. It has taken me half an hour to get through all the reading. That will teach me to miss a day.
Bree, bellingen is only a 15 minute drive off the highway, just north of urunga...well worth the stop if you can wangle it. Also, the coffs harbour orchid show is on, on friday, saturday and sunday at the botanical gardens, so another worth while stop! I hope your family thing is fun. I am just south of Woolgoolga, and 1km off the highway, and also a worthwhile stop! heh heh.
Tash, thanks for the compliments. my head is definitely getting bigger! I love the new shirt, and the pictures you posted. your kautskyi has amazing colour! I'm going to show that to mine and see if they will be encouraged to try harder! I would be interested in knowing what Nigels rates were for fertilising too. Your climate is a tough one, but with the colour your getting, I can see its got its benefits!
Nev, my perriams pride does have a few spots, as do most of my Billbergias. It might be a climatic thing? You gave me a few of those xNiduregelia seedlings when I visited, and thy are residing happily in a garden around here somewhere!
Hi Karen, I had to laugh that you couldn't remember what it was you tried, that made the picture work. Isn't that always the way! You will have to try again, and take notes or something. Its a nice plant. i am familiar with zonata, but not empress.
Good score, Shirley. I heard a rumour that we might get a masters store here, in the future, so hopefully we will have access to the same kinds of bargains as you?
Hello Colleen, thanks for the ID on A. 'Burgundy'. It really stood out in your pics. My A. 'Freckles' lives out in full sun, and loves it. It always has great colour. No pups at the moment though Nev. I thought I sent you one? Or was it just a promise I made, but didn't keep?
Welcome Gabi. I didn't scream, because I have let the violets go too. Not much else you can do with them rampant little bludgers! They make a good cover though, and keep out the weeds. I'll wait till you post pics before suggesting any plants, as it makes it easier to see the space and style of the area, before suggesting something that might be totally unsuitable. You'll get lots of ideas here!
Hi Jean, how are you! I think your Neo. 'Rosetta' might be N. 'Rosella'? and Neo. 'Martin' is a variegated neo, so if its a 'NOVAR' it means it has lost its variegation, which is common with Martin. As for your callichroma, I have that one too, so I will search my photos later and see if I can find one. Has yours flowered yet?
Ian, you are putting up some nice piccies there for us. I'm guessing there are more to come? Looking forward to them
Trish, don't worry if you leave someone out. Its all good, and I or one, wont bite you! Not hard, anyway. Not everyone acknowledges all the comments, mores the pity, but not everyone has the time or ptience to do so, and I understand that. Nev makes up for it with his in depth posts, so everyone feels loved! heh heh. Ugly foot? We all have those. It makes for good scale, to show how big your plant is!
I'll leave you with a couple of pics i took in the garden yesterday, and then I'm going outside to water, water, water for an hour or so. It was windy overnight, so there will be branches to pick up also.
Happy gardening all.
Sue

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 5, 2012
2:23 PM

Post #9266088

oh sue i love the botanical garden in Coffs. Might have to sneak there. hehe! Ill have my partner with me and his not interested in plants.
Heres my Rosella and Martin Bromishy.
Love them broms Ian and Bromishy. I killed my Domino and i want Lava and Lime i love it.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 5, 2012
2:42 PM

Post #9266100

Hi everyone,

Lots of smoke around this morning just to remind us we’re coming into the bushfire season once again. The good news though, is the hot westerly that was fanning the fire has dropped over night and they now have the fire under control. Oh boy I’m glad I’m too old now to be out all night fighting bushfires, it wasn’t very pleasant but the camaraderie was great and the friendships you made were “everlasting”.

Colleen – Your plant could be either Ae.’ Freckles’ or Ae. ‘Foster’s Freckles’ judging by the foliage colour. The seed parent of ‘Freckles’ is Ae. Organensis and the pollen parent is unknown and very little else is given on the BCR; unfortunately there is no picture of a flower by which to compare them. The seed parent of ‘Foster’s Freckles’ is Ae. Fendleri and the pollen parent is Ae. Orlandiana and the BCR show a picture of the “striking” inflorescence. You can see pictures of the foliage of both plants on http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=AECHMEA&id=226#226

To answer your question in my simple language, a species is the “original” plant, as it came from “the wild”. It is “pure” and not contaminated by the genes from other plants. If you were to cross a species with pollen from itself, you would get plants the same as the parent. A hybrid on the other hand is a mixture of different genes caused when two plants; either species or hybrids have been crossed with each other resulting in seedlings with different characteristics to each other.

Below is a section of an article written by Derek Butcher (Uncle Derek) about the various expectations when crossing various plants with each other.
“Some general rules that should help you decide whether your hybridizing has been successful.

1. True species × same true species = same true species.
2. True species × Self (own pollen) = same true species
3. True species × another true species = F1 hybrid with consistent characteristics in each of the seedlings.
4. True species × Hybrid = F2 hybrid with inconsistent characteristics.
5. Hybrid × Hybrid = F3 hybrid with inconsistent characteristics.
6. Hybrid × Self (own pollen) = F2 hybrid with inconsistent characteristics.
7. Hybrid × same Hybrid = F2 hybrid with inconsistent characteristics.

An F1 hybrid gives hybrid vigour and an F2 hybrid the most variable offspring which diminishes as the number of the F increases.”

Gabi65 – Welcome to the forum, I feel we have something in common as we’re both from areas of Australian “Steel Cities” (Newcastle and Port Kembla) and we both grow brom’s.

If the plants you intend to move are as you say “just about shriveled”, this indicates they are very dehydrated and in a very “stressed state”. I wouldn’t move them anywhere with the approaching hot weather. I would make sure they have adequate water and a couple of doses of the original “Seasol” mixed as directed for “stressed plants”. This is for want of a better word a “tonic” and a good pick-me-up. You should keep them in a semi-shaded area with access to good morning sun but avoiding the sun in the hot part of the day.

Karen – As Sue says, long handled BBQ tongs are great for avoiding the prickles but there are occasions where they are just a bit too bulky to get right down in the bottom of the leaves, this is where these long forceps come in handy. You could possibly buy them in a “kitchen” type shop as well from some of those companies that deliver a catalogue to your door such as the one down here is which is called “Home Care” (and I know they sell them because this is where I first saw them).

Jean – Good to hear from you again after so long. We’ll begin to call you “Jean the Lurker” if you’re not careful. As for your “name search”, don’t be afraid to post pic’s of your plants as someone here will possibly be able to help you with a name.

As for your plant with the name “Neo Martin Novar ( sport )”, this simply means that it is a sport from a plant called Neo ’Martin’ and NOVAR means that the plant it came from was variegated but the sport isn’t showing this variegation. It won’t change and is highly unlikely it will produce any variegated pups. To see a picture of the Neo ‘Martin’ just go to: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=5704#5704

Ian – You have me intrigued; please tell me why you put your plants on a piece of mesh to photograph them.

That’s a nice lot of pic’s you have posted today and as someone who is interested in future brom breeding, just let me pass on a handy little bit of info. which I found about your last plant, Neo. ‘Blue Nude’. I’ve used this in three crosses now and each time it has passed on the nice wide leaves to its babies (something worth remembering).

Trish – Everything about that plant you posed as Neo ‘Leopard’ makes me think it could well be ‘Catlan’s Leopard’ and I hope for your sake it is, but now we have to play the waiting game.

They are a great lot of pic’s you’ve posted this morning but the pic you have posted of Neo. ‘Dominos’ (mini) is a “little ripper” and please let me join the list for a pup when you have a spare as I’m sure we can arrange a swap with something.

That’s it again, sorry no pic’s for today, too busy getting ready for the show but I’ll make up for it when show time comes around.

All the best, Nev.
77sunset
Merino
Australia

September 5, 2012
9:15 PM

Post #9266555

Thank you Sue & Nev. Now I have a neo Martin which arrived today It is a lovely brom and I can see how it compares with the Martin novar.
The large aech. callichroma has not flowered as far as I know.. I will wait to see what it does. Quite large & prickly.
The other, neo Rosetta that you think could be neo Rosella is just plain green at the moment with a hint of red on the inner leaves. I will take pics later when they are looking better in the warm weather.

I always come in and read, but dont post much as I am not so into the broms as you all are.
I have too many other plants
.I always like to see all the pics and tell myself I do not need them all...lol

Jean.

ianperry

September 6, 2012
12:06 AM

Post #9266623

Hi all, Another beautiful spring day, a bit of mist this morning and then it cleared to an overcast day, but the temperasture is fantastic.
Nev to answer your intrigue, I always use 1" mesh for scaling of plant size. I have seen professional brom growers show catalog pictures of plants and then later admit that it is hard to know what size that plant is. This is my possible solution to this problem.
Sue, Yes I have a few more plants, some rough and ready and some nice to very nice. Thanks for the compliment.
Trish, Vr splendens can produce pups anywhere, and they are awkward to remove. The brown patch above the pups is where I just took off a pup after 9 months of gentle separation from the parent. Alacantareas often need this method as well. The gentle removal generally allows for less parent damage. I have the pup potted in a 4" pot of Quincan gravel (scoria). This is the third pup I have taken in 18 months. As the plant is getting older the pups are getting lower.
Some more pics for you all
Pic1 Neoglaziova zebrina
Pic 2 Neo Treasure hunt
Pic3 Noid suspect it is a mimi ananas if there is such a plant
Pic4 Ananas tricolour flower
Pic5 Ananas lucidus flower
Have a good one
Ian

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 6, 2012
5:50 AM

Post #9266753

Hi everyone, gosh so many posts to catch up on again.

Nev, love your neo Catlan’s Leopard … what a beauty. Guess you have a list a mile long waiting for pups from her. How is your knee progressing? All the best for your Spring show this weekend.

Jean, I am always saying I have enough broms and won’t buy any more but it never lasts long. I continually say I won’t buy anything without a name but that doesn’t last long either. I have purchased a number of plants with names that are not on the BSI registry so they could be incorrect or ‘pet’ names anyway.

Ian, love your pics, especially neo Running River. Nice wide leaves on neo Picasso Blue Nude, not unlike neo Silverado, I think. You mention “gentle separation” method for removing pups from vr Splendens and alcantareas … can you explain this method, please.

Sue, your garden is looking really great. Good luck with the competition.

I have moved most of my broms into the new (almost completed) shadehouse. The shelving is not ready and we still have to replace the temporary shadecloth but I couldn’t wait to get in there. The big problem with it is, even before it’s finished, it’s already inadequate. Once we get it finished, we’ll have to start on another !!! I will post a pic.

Till tomorrow, Shirley



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perke_patch

September 6, 2012
5:57 AM

Post #9266759

wow miss a few days and it takes hours to catch up at the moment. Unfortunately when I have the girls sleeping over the 1yo has a portacot in the office so access to big computer is not available. If I forget to turn the modem on before I put her down there goes access to the internet too. I have the night off tonight as mum does't have to work until 1100 tomorrow. She works at Dreamworld now so at least an hour from here. I expect I'll have the girls tomorrow somewhere between 9 and 10 but a sleepin pending after a couple mornings of 6am starts.

Tash I love neo kautskyi and we always try to have some seedlings growing as they sell well. I love growing species like them and hieroglyphica. I usually try to have some kautskyi growing in pure sun and some in semi shade so people can decided if they like it red/yellow or more green/brown. I have also learned that if I grow them in semi shade till they get a good size then introduce them to more sunshine to colour up they are much nicer plants.

We have ae freckles and another called speckles. I think they are actually freckles and fosters freckles. I would like to try one of them in a bit more sun to get the good colour into them. Speaking of good colour we are caring for my sisters chooks at the moment and splashing a bit of water around her garden that we did for her. She has some brilliant clumps of broms there including a portea petropolitania var petroplitania that is growing in the sun. I have never seen such a yellow specimen with red tips and a red tinge at the base. I love it. they are smaller plants but the colour is amazing. I think in the 3 weeks we have been watering them they look so much better now than when we first started. I don't think they get much water when my sister is looking after them. She also has the best clump of red macaw I've seen with so much red splotching on the tips and down to the centre. I'd love to take half of them home. It looks like they've been taking pups and spreading them around the garden to fill in gaps. Also some nice clumps of ae winkleri all in flower at present with those amazing black bits in the throat and tips. they look stunning in full sun.

I'm so tired tonight after 3 days of chasing little ones and hubby carries on that much about the mess they make I find myself cleaning up 10 times a day just to shut him up. He hides downstairs pottering around while I try to keep them amused upstairs. I take them downstairs often but them the 1yo just climbs back up the stairs anyway so much easier to just shut the gate and keep her there. I'm dying to just potter in the broms and pot up a few pups or seedlings or something but alas no time while babysitting. can't wait for the weekend with 2 days off.

Nice to see some new people posting and some absent one reminding us they are still around.

I'm off for a shower and bed. Have taken pics but haven't downloaded from the camera yet so will do it over the weekend. I'll address some individual posts then too.

Night all.
Wendy
perke_patch

September 6, 2012
6:05 AM

Post #9266765

wow Shirley your shadehouse is so full. you have a lot of broms. we'll have to get up to your place before the kids move back down this way very soon now. everything nicely spaced out too instead of crammed in like ours. We also keep saying we are going to get rid of all our NOIDs unless they are so spectacular we just have to keep 1. It seems it doesn't matter how many we sell on our open weekends you can't see where they came out of. The shelves are still too full.

Sue I meant to say it is nice to see your pics and think "I know exactly where that one was taken". It's nice to have been there and remember the layout to work out where your pics are of. It's looking well too so you should do well in the comp. Let us know how you go for sure. Jen told me about your weekend of catching up with her at Ballina. wish I could also be there. maybe I could convince Johnny I need a weekend away from him. Unless I could convince him we need a week away at Coffs again. we keep talking about it. Ah well. I have a few weeks but we need to work out the babysitting first.

Night again.
Wendyu
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 6, 2012
11:59 AM

Post #9267146


good morning all. Its a little bit early. I have been awake since before the rooster started to crow! I thought I might as well catch up now, and hope I can go back to sleep later. I don't know if i am a bit stressed from all the garden work yet to do, or what? most likely! 11 more days till judging!
Thank for the nice things you've all been saying. Alot of effort has gone into the gardens over the years, and it really is a nice place to be.
Ian, thats a great idea to use the mesh for scale. (proportion). I am not familiar with your Neoglaziova, so will have to go research now! Your pineapples look great.
Bree, I know your pain. It is hard when you travel and have others to consider. I get my husband a motorcycle magazine to read while I check any garden or nursery out while on the road. Good luck with getting to the orchid show. Love your pics too.
Nev, just wondering, did you miss my last post again? I wonder if DG is playing up for you again? There has been a bit of smoke drifting around here, from distant fires. Yesterday it was 32 outside and a stiff breeze. Perfect bushfire conditions. Our neighbour had 5 bushfire brigades on his property a couple of weeks ago to do a burn off. I am assuming it was used as a training exercise? It only a hectare block, but the owners are not much into yard maintenance. It took them all day to do it, and thankfully the wind was blowing away from us, but I would have hated to be the neighbour on the other side. I hope my neighbour donated generously for their time!
Jean, Jean, Jean...you say you're not into the broms as much as us! You can deny it all you want lady, but you are hooked! heh heh. The first step for the addicted is to admit it, then accept it, then go with it! Then join a support group, like here.
Shirley, your shade house looks awesome! Its so neat, with everything in the one colour pot and the nice gravel floor, and the styrofoam boxes. Thats a fairly large space you have filled there! You might as well keep extending...you know you'll need to! You have a lovely collection and your shade house shows it off well.
Wendy, I don't know how you do it? A one year old is a lot of work! Especially when you have got your own thing going on. Are there no other options for your daughter? I hope its only temporary for you. I know you must love your daughter and grandkids, but it must be quite tiring and difficult by the sounds of it. I hope you can get some time to yourself soon. If you make it down, you are most welcome to come out with us. Doesn't Johnny need to go fishing at Moonee? heh heh.
well, guess I will try and get a couple of hours sleep. Else I will get up and do something until its light, then have an early night tonight. No pics cause I can't find my camera in the dark!
Sue
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 6, 2012
1:57 PM

Post #9267234

Hi everyone,

Once again Dave’s Garden is playing games with me and the same thing happened again with my posts yesterday that happened on the 4th. After I posted, there were two more posts which magically appeared which weren’t there before I posted; even though they were posted before mine. What’s going on here? I could have saved myself some time on both occasions as Sue answered the same question that I did. Anyway, I suppose it’s good to see at least we are in agreement with each other.

The old bones are aching a bit this morning as I think I overdid it a bit yesterday. I spent the whole day washing and "prettying up"about twenty plants I intend to exhibit as well as preparing a trial run of my table top display on the “Life Cycle of a Neoregelia”. When all of this was done I then started preparing and tidying up the plants I intend to try and sell on the plant sales tables.

I haven’t exhibited for two years now as I found it was a bit of a challenge getting all the plants ready in the time frame. i.e. it’s no good cleaning plants weeks in advance otherwise dust gets all over them again and you only have to do it all over again nearer the show, so everything has to be done in the three days leading up to the show.

This year requires a bigger than usual effort as three of our biggest growers won’t be exhibiting for various family commitments, so rather than show the general public what a slack lot we are, a few of the members with larger collections have pulled out all stops to make the show a success. Unfortunately with all of the winds we’ve had, a good percentage of my plants aren’t in show condition as they all exhibit some sort of wind damage; really they are definitely not up to show standard and in my opinion, not even worthy of putting on the benches and certainly won’t be worthy of a prize; but that’s not what it’s all about is it? It’s about sharing the beauty of these wonderful plants with the general public and showing what an interesting hobby brom growing really is.

It’s up to us (the growers) to hide the damaged bits as best we can and try and put on an interesting show, after all the general public (unlike judges) won’t be looking for tiny cracks in the leaves or the occasional dead leaf tip or whether or not the plant is exactly in the centre of the pot or has a single scale hiding down in the centre of a Billbergia, they will be just looking at it through the eyes of people looking at a colourful garden.

Sue – You could be on the ball about the spots on ‘Periam’s Pride’ being a “climatic thing” as I looked very closely at my plant (out of curiosity) yesterday and couldn’t find a single spot.

As for the new “Masters Stores”, we are getting one down here as well so perhaps it will give Bunnings a bit of a “shake-up”, whatever it does it must make it better for the consumer as competition is good, and keeps everyone on their toes.

After reading what you said yesterday about Ae. ‘Freckles’ I went looking, and sure enough, you’re right again as I do have a plant of it, and there on the back of the name tag is the name “Sue”. Is your plant Ae. ‘Freckles’ or Ae ‘Foster’s Freckles’ ?

Well it’s now 5.02am and I’m reading your post of the 6th and it’s definitely the last post on the board so we’ll see what happens this time and whether some other posts appear after I send mine.

Breeindy – Neo ‘Rosella’ is a beautiful plant, especially when grown in very good light. Last month I posted a pic of one that I had been grooming for the show and you can see just how the good light brings out the colour.

Jean – You’d better watch out for the Ae. Callichroma as I seem to remember it has pretty vicious spikes along the leaves which can leave you needing a “blood transfusion” if you get tangled up in them.

Don’t let the fact that you have a small collection keep you from writing in these posts, just remember we all started small until the “addiction” really got a hold and then there was no helping us, we were “hooked”.

Ian – That’s such a great idea with the 1” mesh, I wonder why someone hasn’t thought of it before. It would be especially good with the BCR or the FCBS Photo Index while although they are great sites and give interesting info, they very seldom mention anything about the actual plant size.

They are interesting pic’s you’ve posted in the No.1 and No.3 slots and the colour of the flowers is magnificent but the Neo really catches my eye. (You’ve probably learnt by now that I’m a “Neo Man”) Is it an unregistered local hybrid? I can’t see any mention of it on the BCR.

As for your pic No.3, yes there is such a thing as a miniature Ananas plant. I can’t help you much more except to say that Chester Skotak is currently working on miniature Ananas plants.

Shirley – Thanks for the good wishes for our show, I just hope the hot westerly winds stay away.

What you say about your new shade house is very true and something orchid growers found out years and years ago. When I first started growing orchids a wise old orchid grower told me that if and when I decided to build a shade house, firstly, I had to decide how big I thought I would need it and then double it; secondly, work out how many orchids I was going to get, and then get half as many and only then would I be somewhere near the size I need, albeit a little crowded.

Well I can now say from experience that exactly the same thing applies to growing brom’s except that brom growers have an unfortunate saying of “there’s always room for one more” which doesn’t help the overcrowding situation.

I’m very pleased you took that pic, because it won’t be that nice with plants neatly spaced out for long because as your addiction grows so does the number of plants you squeeze in there and then you’ll be just like the rest of us.

The polystyrene boxes are a good idea for benches as they cost little, don’t rot, don’t rust and what’s more they reflect valuable light and always look neat and tidy, Well Done!

Wendy – I have to agree with you about Neo Kautskyi, it’s one of my favourite Neo’s and a beautiful plant which again proves why we all should be growing a few of the better species.

I understand exactly what you say about the “littlies” we have three grandsons who come to visit each weekend and they range in age from two up to five. They only stay about four hours but after they have gone, one word can describe what they leave behind……… “Hiroshima”.

By the way, the courier lady delivered the pup and the seed yesterday so thanks a lot and they will be put to good use. After I get this show out of the way I'll get a parcel in the post to you and Johnny.

Well I’m finished now and it’s 6.56 am (I'm a very slow typist) and still no posts since Sue’s, so I’ll see what happens after I post this time.

All the best, Nev.
77sunset
Merino
Australia

September 6, 2012
2:54 PM

Post #9267281

Thanks for the advice Nev. I already have Hannibal Lecter , which is really savage , so I know to watch those prickly ones.
Callichroma is certainly one to walk in a wide circle around. .

Sue , you know me and plants...
I started with a few iris and ended up with hundreds.
A huge collection of epiphyllums found me and then the brugmansia germ found its way into my place.
I did try to cut down on the broms but they refused to leave.

I notice there seem to be quite a number of hippeastrums along the wall. I am sure I didnt buy all those.
Ah , I remember . I tried growing from seed and wouldnt you know it, they all survived..

I am not game to look too closely at some of those groups of plants around the place. I think they are breeding.
Must be all the rain...lol

I will try to get new pics of my broms as they brighten up after winter.
I have plenty of pups to take away from their mothers as I am going to sell them at the Trash & Treasure next month.
Gives me pocket money to ...you guessed it...buy more plants

Happy day
Jean

ianperry

September 7, 2012
2:30 AM

Post #9267697

Hi all, another beautiful day here and just to make it better I can still look at the green side of the grass.
Shirley what an eyeful of broms in your shade house, they look spectacular. The gentle method that I use is to slowly remove the pups from the parent by teasing out the pup and leave a wedge in between the pup and parent, gradually increasing the distance and moving downwards to the joint until after a couple or few months I hear that familiar crack and know that the pup has broken and is usually potted up. I leave it slightly attached for a while and let it grow a bit more like hardening off juvenile plants. If necessary I support them as one would support a fresh pup until they grow roots and become stable.This might take another couple of months and the pup is strong and healthy growing mostly on it's own even though it still has no roots of it's own. Then I remove the pup and plant it in scoria until it gets a good root system and then into a more permanent pot. I have had to this stage 100% success.
Nev I have no idea as to the beginnings of Treasure hunt but hope to see the grower/supplier on Sunday and I could ask questions. Competetions can be fun, maybe that's the wrong word but they certainly require a lot of preparation. I am tossing up on a couple for Sunday group comp. I tried seeds from Tristus x fosperior and got white seedlingss, no chloryphyll means no survival. I guess it is 1 to take off my list of try agains. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Some of these pics are really old,6-12 months anyway and they are for Neo lovers.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 N Indigo mood
Pic 2 N Rosa morado
Pic3N Bills gift
Pic4N Black magic
Pic 5 n Red claw

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 7, 2012
6:25 AM

Post #9267803

Hi everyone, lovely warm day today, so out with the jumpers, jeans, joggers and the blankets and bedsox and in with the shorts, t-shirts, thongs, sunscreen and hats … yea, I feel better already.

Thanks everyone for the nice comments about the shadehouse. Sue, we are already talking about extending.

Wendy, you are welcome to call in anytime. I’ll D-mail you our address and phone number.

Nev, maybe you need to ‘refresh’ what you are working on to bring it up to date as when you have a program open for a while, it often doesn’t update unless you refresh the screen.

Ian, thanks for explaining your ‘gentle’ method, I will make a note for future reference.

I was planning an early night so that’s all from me, tonights pic is the shadehouse from a different angle.

Bye for now, Shirley


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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 7, 2012
1:07 PM

Post #9268183

good morning all.
Nev, I assumed you had a DG issue again, when I saw you repeat (somewhat in more depth) some of what I had written. Like you say, it just helps to confirm we are on the right track.
Good luck with your bromeliad show and I am sure the public will appreciate the effort that has gone in to providing beautiful plants to look at! If you copped the wind, I am sure alot of the other local growers also have the same problem? Take lots of pics eh? I looked up Vriesea 'Pink Sensation' in my journal, and you know, I have no notes of where I got it from, but i do remember being told it was from the same grex as V. 'Gypsy moon' which has fosteriana as its seed parent and no pollen parent listed. i think the hybridisers are buchanan and R.harper. I noticed on garden web, that Richard has pics of Pink Sensation (back in 08-09) so maybe he can fill you in a bit more? The label I had was definitely platynema x Plantation pride, so I think mine was mislabelled for sure!
Hi Ian. You must have a great ammount of patience to do that slow removal process! I guess it could work on v. ospinae types and maybe Guzmania sanguinea? I would love to be ale to get the sanguinea pup off and see if it will grow another, but then again, having a plant that just replaces itself saves on room! Thanks for the Neo pics. Most I have never heard of, so good to see something different.
Shirley, we had a couple of scorchers too! I went from jeans, in the morning, to a sundress by 10am, then shorts when going back in the garden. Its getting very dry here and the wind was a pain, making a big mess everywhere again. It seems very still this morning, and cool again (7degrees) so I might head out and put some water on something.
Yesterday I went to the botanic gardens to see the orchid show, and then down to the hot house to see the broms. They have updated the collection and have a much better variety, making for a really good display! The Orchids were great too, and very fragrant. The sales table was a little exxy for me, and there was nothing unusual enough to draw my attention.
just a couple of pics of the hot house.
The last one is an Alcantarea vinicolour in the gardens.
Sue


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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 7, 2012
5:40 PM

Post #9268401

Good morning all.

Sue, I hope my Al. Vinicolour will look like that one day. It is so lovely, as are your gardens.

There are some beauties here. Ian, I only have one ananas, supposedly a pink fruit, but it isn't doing terribly well. Maybe it will pick up in the warmer weather. It is still young, and no fruit as yet.

Have been down the back looking through my broms and seeing some nice looking buds forming. Looking forward to photographing the flowers when they come out.

Such a beautiful time of year, though a bit unpredicable. Very sunny here, but with a chilly wind blowing. Supposed to warm up later though. It is great to see flowers out, and though OT, I am so pleased to see and smell my Wisteria in bloom.

Have a great day.
Karen

Loving this one: Neo. Hearts Music X Grace Darling
Baby Groucho. Can't wait for this one to mature.
Unstable colouring in Neo. Ostrich.
A NOID. I seem to be rather partial to this colouring.







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perke_patch

September 8, 2012
1:32 AM

Post #9268667

evening everyone. I typed a lovely wordy response last night and then went to select some pics to attach. Alas the computer froze up. Couldn't move the arrow and wouldn't shut down. nothing worked except to open a new window but then that one froze too. so in frustration I simply pushed the button in till it shut right down then I went for a bath and bed. hate computers when they won't behave.

gee there's some activity in this forum all of a sudden. it's lovely to catch up on all the posts each night. so hard to remember all the things we wanted to respond to. love all the pics. Nev I hope your show went well today and all the best for tomorrow as well. Can't wait to see all those pics of your show.

I uploaded all my pics last night and had some lovely shots of seedlings for your Nev but alas it wasn't meant to be posted. now I'm on the laptop and the pics are on the big computer so pffft no pics again. I went through all the seedlings trays today to check if they needed watering and was thrilled to see lots of little green bits in the pitcairnias I got from Brom-L early August. some of the billbergias have also shot so looking forward to some lovely plants soon. still waiting for tillandsias to do something though. I'll share some data tomorrow night on sowing dates and and time to shoot etc. too tired tonight to care so I'll see you all tomorrow night.

Wendy
ianperry

September 8, 2012
4:04 AM

Post #9268700

Hi all, I stuffed up with 1 of my Pics. I named a plant Treasure hunt when it is labled Treasure chest. I have a querie for you all, In the first pic I have Ae Clarise,Ae The Governors Plea,Ae Hanibal Lector, What is the 4th similar plant in this series. I have had a seedy day, either planting more or collecting and I even potted up some seedlings. If I am going to thin them i might as well pot them while I have the time.In a couple of months we are going to get busy at work, so I have to do what I can while I can. I have almost 700 Ae seedlings at the moment.
I know that I wil lose some of them. I found 6 out of their pots today and a tiny catepillar eating 1 in my seed starting tray. He has had his last feed.
I moved a few plants around giving me a bit more space between the plants in the bush house.I think the ones I moved will benefit from more light. I'll soon find out.
Have a good one.
Ian
Pic 1 trio
Pic 2 N Predatress
Pic 3 Quesnelia Arvensis dark form
Pic 4 Ques Arvensis
Pic 5 Ques Mamorata

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 8, 2012
1:28 PM

Post #9269105

Good morning, Ian, I'm not sure, but could you be looking for N. 'Norman Bates'? Its not really related to the silence of the lambs, but has hannibal lector as a parent. How did you seedling get knocked over?
Wendy, my seedlings of Aechmea malva are going great guns. Even at small plants, they are starting to show a little mauve. I know what you mean when the computer wont play nice. I've learned to turn it off and walk away also.
Karen, I agree there are nice things coming into bloom. If I recall, you have quite a few flowering broms? Thanks for the compliments on my gardens. The Alc. vinicolour was at the botanic gardens but I WISH it was in my garden! I like all your plants that you posted. I am attracted to variegated neos too!
Yesterday was a dash to the plant fair. We were in and out in under an hour! We know where all the brom sellers are, as they have the same site each fair, so we madly rushed around looking for something new. Alas the pickings were slim. I did manage to get a variegated Guzmania Wittmackii in flower, so was satisfied with that. I tossed up about a Guz. musaica which was only $12, but I already have one, so couldn't really justify it. It was a bargain, but left it for someone else looking for something special, and 20 minutes later, a man picked it up and cradled it lovingly, so I'm glad i didn't take that away from him!
right, I am trying to get back into an exercise routine, so oday is day one and I'm taking the dogs out for a walk.
happy gardening sunday
Sue
More photos from the botanic garden. no label on the hannibal lector looking one. But it had a flower! Mine have never flowered! Must like the humidity?

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 8, 2012
1:29 PM

Post #9269108

argh! stuffed up on the pics. was meant to be this one.

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 8, 2012
10:28 PM

Post #9269535

Hi All

Hope everyone's well!

Just had 4 days off in a row and can't help but want some more time off to spend in the garden. We were busy on my first day of replacing the shade cloth to the whole of the nursery so I was up on the roof (hubby was supervising from the ground - I wanted to hurl a couple of things at his head on a number of occasions and could have really done with a swear jar up there lol :) from about 7:30am to 11am, the finished job looks fantastic and we are very pleased with the end result and glad we got this job done prior to summer hitting us because I think we are going to be in for a real scourcher of a summer. Took me most of the remainder of the day to recover from the aerobic work-out I had on the roof and I had no choice but to take it easy the rest of the day so just pottering around the garden, pulling out the odd weed and hosing my brom's. Anyway hubbies Orchids, my Ferns and all my other plants will be well protected over summer so we are very pleased we got this big job out of the road.

Hi Shirley, Wow! beautiful pic's of your shadehouse, great job how you have it all set-up is amazing and I luv all the beautiful colours and types of brom's you have - so much wonderful colour in each and every brom and they all look so healthy.

Hi Sue, thanks for sharing beaufiful pic's of the brom' hothouse you went to see at the orchid show, it is always nice to see how they have everything staged and growing, nice to get idea's where you can that can possibly fit in somewhere around one's own garden. Nice pic of what looks to be Hannibal Lector, I have this one but can't confirm the flower as mine has not flowered yet?

Hi Karen, look forward so seeing pic's of your brom's flowering - always an exciting time when it arrives. I too have a pup of Groucho and it is doing really well and colouring up nicely, I will post a pic sometime soon (too many pic's attached hereto already).

Hi Wendy, yeah computers sometimes get the better of us and it's good to know when to walk away lol. I'm on them all day long, hence why I look forward to a bit of fresh air come clock-off time and the weekends. Look forward to seeing some pic's from you soon.

Hi Nev, hope the brom' show went smoothly and that you had some time to enjoy yourself. Look forward to hearing how it all went. Now hopefully you can rest some and catch you breath for a bit and reflect on how great I am sure everything went.

Hi Ian, thanks for the valuable advice about separating safely Splendrite pups off mother, I can't wait for mine to pup now so I can give your technique a go and report back to everyone how I went. I just purchased Neo' Govenors Plea which should arrive in the post this week. I agree with Shirley, could you be looking for Norman Bates? I not long purchased this one and can post a pic if you like?

Hi Jean, Welcome to this Forum, I am a relatively new kid on the block (couple of weeks I think I first joined) and really loving the wonderful people you get to chat with in this Forum, the helpful advice and beautiful pic's you get to see and share. Also looking forward to seeing some pics from you when you get a chance.

Hi Colleen, Tash, BreeIndy and Gabi65 - hope your are all well and that I have not missed saying hi to everyone, if I have I promise to do better next time.

Here's a couple of pic's taken today:
Pic 1 - Neo' Meyendorfii x Corinecea (shot was hard to take - color is more intense than pic). I love the way this one grows spiral like in different directions - looks nice and different amoungst my other brom' beauties.
Pic 2 - Neo' NOID (any idea's anyone?) this one I rescued off a friends friend as they were going to take to the dump.
Pic 3 - Neo' Paula (shot was hard to take - color is more intense than pic).
Pic 4 - Neo' NOID (any idea's anyone?) This one I rescued off a friends friend as they were going to take to the dump.
Pic 5 - Brom's growing happily - some of these I will have to move soon as everything is getting bigger, some even growing in dead tree stump.

Anyway nice chatting with everyone, better get out back in the garden while there is still daylight - need to spend a little more time with my brom's as I really miss them during the week and really hang out for clock off time lol, back to work tomorrow :(

Look forward to chatting with you all during the week.

Until then happy gardening!

Trish :)


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ianperry

September 9, 2012
2:06 AM

Post #9269584

Hi all, I went to market today and aquired more broms. I started off with N Moby Dick, N Blue Nude got to have a replacement,N Gold Heart, NWilsoniana An Ananas nanas and an Ae that I lost the name tag. Ae Mirlo was positively Identified, thanks for the suggestion.
Trish Pic 2 could be N Royal Robe, It looks very similar to the one that I have. Like all your pics.
Sue, thanks for the info on Norman Bates, I have my scouts looking for 1 now.
Have a good one
Ian.
Pic1 Crouching tiger
Pic 2 Pauciflora purpurea
Pic 3 Burle Marxi fantacy
Pic 4 Fireside Glow
Pic 5Ampullacea red all mini neos

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perke_patch

September 9, 2012
6:07 AM

Post #9269655

hi again everyone. Ian you must have a lot of broms and growing daily. I thought we had a problem with seeds buy sounds like you might have more than we do. We just got rid of our spa to make a seedling area. Still a bit of room in it but by the time I pot up the bigger seedlings it will fill up quickly. I'm still like you and when thinning out the seeds I pot them up instead of chuck them out. I like to pluck out about a dozen or so and pot them up and feed them up heavily to make them grow quickly to get an idea of what they might become. However if the seed is from something you think might produce variegates you can't fertilise till they have time to show some variegation. we have a few neos which are supposed to give a lot of variegated seedlings eg cane fire, purple prince, bob's baby. I will collect seed from these next time I catch them flowering. until then I will keep pumping fertiliser into the seedlings.

Trish I used to be like you and sat in front of a computer all day at work. last thing I wanted to do when I got home was sit in front of the computer. now I'm downstairs in the broms all day and work harder now than when I was at work. but I love nothing better than getting downstairs by myself and just potter all day doing what I want. I love it when Johnny decides to go fishing then I enjoy a day of peace and quiet by myself. I love that first pic of yours - the cross with myendorfii. love the colour.

Nev I hope your weekend went well. how busy did you get? can't wait for the pics. hope you sold all your plants and won a few champion ribbons with your plants.

Karen and Sue I've loved all your brom pics. Sue your garden is spectacular I'm sure you'll do well. Is judging before or after your weekend with Jen???

Ian what aechmeas have you sown seed of. we have beeriana seedlings getting some good size now. Also have heltoniis that we are potting up as well as porteas, blanchetianas, orlandianas (rainbow & snowflake) and a couple of NOID aechmeas. We also have a lot of vrisea, neos, billbergias, alcantareas, pitcairnias, tillandsia, catopsis. I guess a bit of everything I can get my hands on. I'm not too good at making hybrids although I have tried crossing them. Not always successful but sometimes I do have success. Otherwise I just walk around and look for seed developing. latest is with billbergias. now that I've had success with crossing and collecting billbergia seed I am keen to collect more seed from them. I'm excited when I see a nice fat ripening seed pod. With neos I started off picking out nice plants with really good parentage like the Alan Freeman hybrids. He used choice parents so his hybrids should produce some very nice F2 seedlings. So I chose some of them and just started pulling pods out and collected the seeds and sowed them. We now have some nice seedlings growing. Nev also keeps me supplied with seed from crosses he has done. I love it when Nev sends me seed from mini neos because that is one thing I'd like to grow but still haven't worked out how to collect the seed from those little babies.

Pic 1 & 2 are of our seedlings of concentrica hybrids (parents unknown)
Pic 4 is one of our seedlings from takemura x grace darling.
Pic 3 is one of our painted delight F2 seedlings.
Wish I could post some better ones but alas this computer doesn't have them on here.

Off to bed now. night all
Wendy

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 9, 2012
1:32 PM

Post #9269992

good morning, even if it IS monday!
Trish, it sounds like you had a fun time doing your shade house. I know a few of us have been there and done that and I totally know where you're coming from when you say you wanted to throw things at hubbys head! Its great to get their help, but sometimes...! Its good tht you can now relax knowing your plants are all set up for the summer.
I often cant tell the difference between some of the hannibal type hybrids, so I wouldn't buy one unless it was an improvement, such as larger. I grow mine in alot of sun and they look much yellower than the one I took the photo of at the Botanic gardens. I also put down seed a couple of years ago, and I have kept 5 that look different, to see what they do. One looks like Hannibal, one has quite a few dots, and another has these light green stripes on the top of the leaf, but not sure that these will stay with it as it grows. It might be a fertiliser thing? I will take pics later today, as my camera ran out of battery power yesterday.
I don't know what your NOIDS are, but I love the look of that second one. Its kind of like kautskyii, but with rounded leaf tips, I like it! The red one is very much like one I have in the garden, that no one has been able to give me a positive ID on, because there are so many similar, such as beef steak, charm e.t.c. I love it though, as its a fast pupper, and I have a border of it in one of the garden shots I posted in 9266051, although its taken from a distance. Your garden group looks very good too.
Ian, you've got he bug bad! heh heh. Sounds like you got a few nice plants at the markets. Also a nice bunch of Mini Neos there.
Hi Wendy, Judging is next tuesday, so before I catch up with Jen, thank goodness, as I wouldn't have any time to spend otherwise. Hubby helped move the last of the mulch on the weekend, and the cleared, mulched beds are just screaming out for broms! I've been raiding the brom house for mature plants to use, but I'm running out, as I mostly use the Neos because they are a bit tougher under the gum trees, and dont require the watering that guzzies or nids do, because, boy, its dry up there under the gums! I am contemplating using the sale plants, but need to keep them for a sale the following weekend, as I am using the garden comp as advertising. (sale on the same day as the garden is open for viewing)
Anyway, I'll leave you with a pick of the Guzmania whittmackii I bought on Saturday, and a few garden shots.
Sue

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 9, 2012
3:28 PM

Post #9270089

Hi everyone,

Well it’s now early Sunday morning the first day of the show is over, and what a busy day it was; I feel like I’ve done a week’s work even though I was just sitting behind my little display answering questions, and judging by the amount of interest shown, I have no doubt that we’ll have a good supply of future hybridists.

There’s just today to go which is usually much busier than the Saturday as it is the main day of the “Spring Festival” and then we pull it all down again until next year. I know it seems like a lot of work for just two days of showing, but the interesting people you meet and the children you get the opportunity to encourage are all well worth the effort.

Jean – It seems I’ve heard your story so often from so many different people, and it’s not unusual for people come into brom’s from another hobby, be it other plants or breeding birds or fish to collecting rocks and fossils, but when people ask me why I do it, it just tell them, “it keeps me off the street and out of the pub”.

Ian – I’m very interested when you say you plant your Vriesea pups in scoria to promote roots, is this because your climate dictates what you should grow your plants in or is it just something you use to promote roots and then once established grow them in a different mix?

I don’t know why your cross with Neo. Tristus x Fosperior would have produced albino pups, however you can be sure that one of the parents is the culprit and from what I understand it’s usually the seed parent. This is where good record keeping and experimentation comes in handy; for instance from past records we know that if you use a plant which is albo-marginated as the “seed parent”, it will almost always produce albino seedlings. If on the other hand you used the albo-marginated plant as the “pollen parent”, the seedlings are usually OK.

What I would now do is to cross each of the parents you used with a known good breeder e.g. concentrica, but use them as the seed parent. If you don’t get any albinos you will know they weren’t at fault as a single parent but it was probably a “one off” combination of the two.

The only plant I have of the ones you’ve posted is Neo. ‘Indigo Mood’ and I must say it grows into a beautiful plant, but just let me say I wish I could shop at the place you buy your brom’s as a price of $2 is unheard of down here, and I certainly paid a lot more for my pup of the same plant.

Shirley – I’m very interested in what you say about, ”Nev, maybe you need to ‘refresh’ what you are working on to bring it up to date”. Being a complete “computer illiterate”, I have no idea what you are talking about so could you please explain in “language for dummies”?

It seems it doesn’t matter what angle you photograph your shade house from, it still looks just as neat and tidy and something to be very proud of.

Sue – You are right about the DG issue again. It’s happened twice now but my previous post was OK so I’m hoping it’s just some little gremlin playing games and he’s gone home now, or perhaps it’s something I’m not doing as Shirley suggested as a possibility, who knows?

I started to take a lot of pic’s as you suggested yesterday and when I got to pic 5 a message came up saying “out of memory”….bugger. As I’ve said on many occasions I’m not very well versed in the technical department and I couldn’t find a five year old kid around to show me what I had to do. I knew I had a lot of pic’s on my camera as I’ve never deleted any since I got it a few years back, so in between talking to people I started deleting pic’s (one by one) to make a bit of room. It’s a very monotonous job doing it one at a time and I’m sure there must be a way where I can delete say about fifty at a time but I’ve yet to work out how. There is a manual for the camera (at home somewhere) which also is in “technical talk” much of which I don’t understand either, so I’ll just have to “bumble” along and try and make a bit of space for pic’s before you lot “drum me out of the service”.

Good luck with your exercise routine and I’m sure your dogs will love it. Before my chronic back trouble intervened, I walked 4km every morning and I think it’s probably the thing I miss the most. Early morning is the best part of the day, nice fresh air and always something new to see as you witness the sunrise and the start of a new day and it really surprised me at the number of people who are out and about enjoying it as well. I could never understand how people could go to a gym and pay good money to walk 4km on an exercise machine while looking at a blank wall when they could have been out in the fresh air enjoying nature and seeing something different all the time for free!

Karen – I like your Groucho, a most unusual colour combination. I saw a Vriesea at the show yesterday with a similar colour combination but unfortunately I can’t remember the name but I’m almost certain I took a pic and all I have to do is unload them all and sort them out. That NOID you posted has the most beautiful subtle pink flush which really appeals to me and I’m sure a lot of others, but I can’t help you with a name.

Well here it is Monday and the show is all over for another year and another day has to be spent putting all of the plants away and generally tidying the place up as it looks like a bomb hit it at present. As for the show; well it went off very well with a good response from the public although numbers I think were down a bit on last year as Sunday was such a beautiful day and I expect a lot of people were happy to spend their time outside in the sun rather than come into a hall to see a brom show. In the end all of the exhibits came up OK although when looked at very closely I could see minor wind damage on almost every plant, but the growers (as I expected) had done a good job cleaning up their plants and I’m sure the public didn’t look at the plants as critically as I did. I even got a couple of minor placings which as I said previously, I didn’t expect as my plants weren’t up to show standard, however one has to accept the judge’s decision as final so I guess I have to live with it.

Wendy – I couldn’t agree more with you about bloody computers; I finished reading and responding to Karen’s post yesterday and had to get away to the show so I intended to add five pic’s of Tillandsias for all of you that like these “littlies” and they just wouldn’t load for me. Fortunately all of the text I had typed was on MS Word like (I usually do) so I just saved it and shut the computer down with the idea of finishing it all today when hopefully I’ll be able to load them. I suspect they were all too big so I’ll have to reduce them all first. Does anyone know of a quick way to do this? Please tell me in “Simple Steps for Idiots” if you do.

As you know I’m always interested in looking at pic’s of new seedlings and yours are no exception. I especially like your ‘Painted Delight’ seedling and I think when it eventually throws pups if you grow them really hard with NO fertilizer, you will be rewarded with fantastic colour. The same applies to your ‘Takemura’ x ‘Grace Darling’ seedling; and although the form isn’t as “filled in” as the ‘Painted Delight’ seedling, the colour is certainly there and will also benefit from the hard growing as suggested.

Ian – Your Predatress looks very different to mine (I’ll post a pic tomorrow for comparison), but I suspect yours may have been grown in more light. I like the colour of you Ques. Dark Form although I’ve had to get rid of all my Quesnelias as they were drawing too much blood with their vicious spikes. I was disappointed to lose them as I did always marvel at the “crepe paper” like flowers and the attractive eye catching colour. I’m not familiar with Ques. Mamorata but judging by the way it’s growing away from the pot, I think it would be an ideal subject for mounting on trees, just like Ques. Liboniana.

I don’t know if you are aware of it or not, but there are at least four different forms of Neo pauciflora, there’s the spotted common green form as well as the deeper coloured ‘purpurea’ form you posted and both colours come in small and larger forms (minor and major).

Trish – Glad to hear you got the big shade cloth job completed; it’s always good when you get the hardest bit out of the way isn’t it? How about some pic’s of the “finished product”.

They’re great pic’s you have posted; I especially like plants one and three. I’m especially interested in the first one, it’s a beautiful plant and I’m familiar with one of the parents, (Neo meyendorffii) but don’t know the second one and can’t find the name anywhere on the cultivar register so apparently it isn’t registered. Do you know any more about it, is there also a possibility the name is misspelled e.g. could it have been Coriacea or even Concentrica? What can I say about the beautiful Neo. Paula except it is just another of many from that great “Master Hybridist”, Chester Skotak, a real eye catcher!

Sue – I personally don’t see what all the interest is in the ‘Hannibal Lector’ types. True I grow them as they are very popular, but personally I think they are just “prickly rubbish” and nothing special (there I’ve now just upset a lot of people). I think where they come into their own is in breeding, and Chester Skotak in particular has proved this by producing some magnificent colours using it as a parent. So even though I “rubbished” it as a plant because I personally don’t like it, it is a magnificent parent which produces wonderful “kids” and you can check them all out on: http://registry.bsi.org/index.php?fields=&id=3291&search=hannibal Lector .

Sue you have proved once again what I said about there being some spectacular species in the brom world with your picture of a variegated Guz. Wittmackii, there are some truly amazing forms of this particular plant and well worth collecting if you have the conditions to grow them. Anyway that’s about it for now and good luck with the Garden Competition, you deserve to do well with all of the hard work you have put in.

Finally a few pic’s from the show unfortunately no names as I just didn’t have time to get them all…sorry.

All the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

September 9, 2012
4:02 PM

Post #9270110

Just a few pics this morning of my broms in the greenhouse. Looking good after all the cold weather.
Lots of pups to come off the mums soon.
I had to laugh at your comment, Nev, re Hannibal.
I like him even if he does bite. Well named brom , that one.
As you see from my lot, I do like the striped & spotted ones. but seem to have accumulated a lot of green.
Of course some do change to lovely shades, but I am gradually weeding out the plain green ones.

Nev, you can see Hannibal in the front in pic 1.
I originally bought a small pup which grew very quickly to produce this pup which now has its own pup
I sold the original plant as it was getting very large and tended to bite the hand that fed it.
Much as I like him , he may have to go too, as he is a plant that does seem to grow very large quite quickly.
Can be dangerous getting around him in the confines of the greenhouse.

I am pleased with the color on my Hallelujahs in pic 4.
I had them all in the back shadehouse where they went greenish . Now back in lots of light they are lovely.
Most of the ones on the floor are new , so not very bright at the moment.

Jean.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 9, 2012
5:25 PM

Post #9270172

Good morning. Wow, been a talkative lot since I last posted. What beauties you have all posted too.

Nev, if you type a post but don't send it, other people will have posted by the time you hit send which is why you see posts that weren't there when you last looked. Delaying too long may cause a time out effect on the forum for you too, but I don't know enough to be sure about that.

Took some more pics this morning but they are still in the camera. Maybe tomorrow. Meanwhile we are off to Hope Island today to visit my elderly uncle and his wife (both in their 90's). They have just moved into a care centre so still going through the adjustment period. Old age really is cruel, but thank goodness they are still together.

Have a lovely day.
Karen
ianperry

September 10, 2012
1:47 AM

Post #9270455

Hi all, and what a cloudy day we are enjoying at the moment, I hope it rains here soon. It is dry.I had a busy weekend, potting, buying and had a group meeting.
Wendy, what Ar have I planted seed from, good question, I know where the parent is but do not know it's name as yet. I tried fendleri but am still dissapointed with the results. Another fendleri is jest coming into flower so I will try again when the seeds are ready. I currently have10 different Neo seeds planted and have 8 more to collect and 3 or 4 coming into flower and 1 mini with seeds. I might just have to look around and see if there are any more. I also have tried Al regina alba syn verisia regina alba( ok what does this mean could it be a cross with Alacantrea and Verisia or just a name change). I also have Al PeterTtristam sewn but not yet germinated. Ae Peek-a-boo is just waiting for me to experiment with seed collection as is Ae Sphaeroglossa and Ae Orlindiana Picinniny. As I said before I am an experimenter, I need to know what I can do, what I can grow and what I can't and if I don't have a go, I'll never know. A lot of people here are frightened with the prospect of growing from seed. That's their problem, they will buy some of my plants one day.

Wendy, Yes I have a lot of broms and they are growing daily in size as well, I hope. I am starting to be more selective in what plants I buy. When I potted up the seedlings, they're still too small but I have the time to work with them now and doubt that I will in a few months when I normally get busy at work. 1 plant in a 1.5" pot 12 in a tray and I have too many .The only fertiliser I am using at the moment isPotassium to help with their roots.

Sue, yes the bug done gone and bit me and I am told there is no cure.I love your Gardens.Just had a thought that maybe you could have your sales plants under the gum trees and sell them from there, it may not work for you.

Nev, I use scoria partly because i tend to overwater, partly due to climate and partly scoria.75" will hold the plant stable to assist rooting. Once it has good roots then I will check on out weather and possibly change to another potting mixture
Tristus X Fosperior. I planted seed and got white seedlings, did I say pups. The mother has a pup of good colour at the moment. I have no idea of the parentage of tristus x fosperior, i could possibly find out where i bought it from and who their supplier is and go from there. I have tried another batch of seeds just to prove that I didn't do something to stuff up. Love your till pics I started the talk of hannibal asking what 4 plants are the members of "silence of the lambs". it is a collection of Hannibal and 3 look alikes. The $2.oo plant I bought at a market in May last year, I am hoping to find the people who ran that stall.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1N Moby Dick
Pic 2N Gold heart
Pic 3 Ae Noid
Pic 4 N wilsoniana
Pic 5 Ae Tornado

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 10, 2012
1:49 AM

Post #9270456

Hi all, hope everyone enjoyed their weekend.

Karen, love your neos groucho, ostrich and the NOID, I am very partial to neos of that same colouring and variegation as well.

Wendy, where are you going to put all those broms when all those little seedlings you are growing mature. Guess I can take some off your hands :o) just to save room at your place mind you.

Trish, I can’t imagine anyone taking such nice broms as those two in your pics to the dump. I must admit I have rescued plants from the dump, even a couple of broms but nothing as attractive as those, I especially like the red spotty one.

Ian, I have to agree with Nev that you have been buying broms at very good prices. I got quite a mixture at the market on Saturday. A nice vriesea (kiwi cream), a nidularium (innocentii), a neo (roys special) and a billbergia (NOID). I will attach pics of all four.

Sue, good luck for the garden comp judging tomorrow, your garden looks great … you’ve got my vote.

Nev, good to hear your show went well. As to your question regarding the ‘refresh’ button, it depends on which program you are using. On most keyboards the ‘refresh’ button is F5 but some are different. On Windows XP it appears on the toolbar and with Windows 7, it’s a right click on the mouse and move down on the pop up menu and click on ‘refresh’. Hope I haven’t confused you, I would suggest trying F5 to see if it updates DG, I think it will. If not, perhaps someone with a bit more computer savvy can explain it or you could go to google (or whatever search engine you use) and ask ‘how to refresh Windows XP, Vista, 7' (which ever version you are using) and it should tell you.

Jean, I really like the toothy broms and the bigger the better!!! As for neo Hannibal, I bought a pup a fair while back and it seems to be taking forever to grow … I wish mine would grow very large quickly.

Anyway, great to see so many posts and so many lovely pics … hard to keep up with at the moment.

Bye for now, Shirley

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perke_patch

September 10, 2012
5:37 AM

Post #9270541

Hi everyone.
Sue I love your swinging bench seat. What a wonderful place to sit and swing and contemplate how the garden is growing. that's new since we were down there. good luck for judging tomorrow. I'm sure your garden looks great. couldn't you borrow some big plants from Belinda just to fill a few spaces temporarily? if we were closer you could have your pic of some of ours and couldn probably even keep most of them. LOL

Shirley that innocentii is a great plant. very good striations there.

Ian I am very much like you and as I walk around I am always on the lookout for seed to try. My 4yo grandaughter is just as bad and after she leaves we often find a sieve full of seed pods she is drying out. Luckily she usually pics the pods from the ae tillandsiodes. she has a few yoghurt containers of seed growing now. I've found that these can grow like weeds but also can just shrivel and die. I've decided it is air circulation that is the difference. The first lot I had growing so well got attacked by a snail. bit every little green shoot right off at the ground. went from a tray of green to a tray of dirt in one night. I've started taking the lid of the trays each morning and replacing them each evening and the seedlings seem to be doing well. oh and we've covered the legs of the shelving with vaseline to stop grubs climbing up to the seedlings this time. nothing is touching walls or anything for grubs to come across. everything is free standing and greased.

Nev so glad your weekend went well. does your camera have a removable storage disk? if so you could carry several of the storage disks. then you wouldn't run out of storage space. LOL

Pic 1 is ae recurvata sharp form showing brilliant flush of red and an infloresence coming on.
Pic 2 is an infloresence on ae Bert showing all the ripe seed pods. this is in that garden full of ae all loaded with seed.
Pic 3 is one of our ae beeriana seedlings with a blue ruler behind howing size. these are really taking off and growing so quickly.
Pic 4 is a tub of seed sown 23 days ago. it is bill charlie webb x ? possibly amoena rubra (iceblock stick label faded between pollination and collection - won't do that again)
Pic 5 is portea NOID orange infloresence sown Marc this year and no potted up. these are also taking off in their new seedling area.

I'll post some more tomorrow night. off to bed now as babysitting again tomorrow and have a couple of groups coming through yard also. so I need my sleep now.

Night all
Wendy

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 10, 2012
1:54 PM

Post #9271115

Morning!
Nev, you had me worried with the beginning of your post saying its now Sunday! I knew I posted yesterday and thought you had a gremlin again. I am glad Saturday was a success and sorry you did not get any major awards. i would have voted for your plants! heh heh.
The dogs enjoy the walking, and we have started the 3km circuit again. The fresh air is enjoyable, but this morning looks very smokey out there. Must be a bush fire somewhere. The trick here is to get out and about at a time when the road is not too busy with workers and school traffic, and yesterday I timed it perfectly, enough that I was able to walk the dogs at heel without the lead for more than half the distance! Its good training for them.
Thank you for saying nice thing about my garden, and that goes for all of you I wish you were the judges! Heh hehe. Hubby is getting into it now too, and is spurring me on to get areas finished, that I wasn't even going to bother with. I am stuffed by about 4pm now, but I can see light at the end of the tunnel.7 days to go!
Jean, your Hannibal is large because of the shade. I have mine in lots of sun and it is only a medium neo, and nice and tubby! Your shadehouse is looking very full!
Karen, Its funny how a few weeks ago, it was sooooo quiet on this thread! Now look at it, hard to get a word in! Hope Island is a nice area. It doesn't sound like such a bad place to spend your retirement in. I hope you enjoyed your visit, and how very lucky they are to have each other at that age.
Ian, I'm pretty sure your Alcantarea regina alba (Syn Vriesea regina alba) was reclassified as an Alc, but they leave the Vriesea name on for research purposes I guess, You might look it up in an old Werner Rauh book, and it would probably be under Vriesea.
I have a sales area set up in the new bunker. Its too dangerous to have sales under the gums, especially if the day is a windy one. I don't seem to have much to sell, being the beginning of spring, and also I keep stealing plants off the sales table to go in the gardens! heh heh
I love your Neo. 'Gold Heart'. It has some amazing colour in the centre.
Shirley, you got some nice bargains at the markets. Thanks for the well wishes, even though you are a week early! You'll have to keep your fingers crossed for another week now. You'll have cramp by next Tuesday.I have my fingers crossed for a couple of overnight showers between now and then. We could use some rain.
Wendy, what a lovely offer! I am hitching up the trailer right now, see you in four hours! heh heh. I'll make plenty of room for your seedlings! Yes, Belinda does have some lovely plant, but i wouldn't take the risk of borrowing them and having them damaged by the gum trees or high winds, or any other number of possible disasters that might occur. I still have a few things in the shade house that could be of use, just a matter of moving them around.
Anyway, I'm getting up and going for a walk! The sun is shining again!
Till tomorrow
Sue

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 10, 2012
2:49 PM

Post #9271168

Hi everyone,

I’m still sorting out things after the show and I didn’t realize what a mess I’d left things in in my rush to get everything ready. Oh well, if I’m not sorting this out I’d have something else I needed to do as there’s always some sort of work to be done around the place.

Jean – The colour in your Hallelujah is great. In my opinion, it’s still one of the all-time great Billbergia hybrids which is being used a lot in breeding now as it passes on its colour as well as its vigour to most of its progeny. I have seen a lot of seedlings where it is a parent and they look almost as good, but I have yet to see one better. (Maybe there is one, but I haven’t seen it).

I just thought I’d mention that it’s not just the shade that will turn them green; using a fertilizer that’s high in Nitrogen will give the same result, so remember just a little fertilizer with a higher Potassium content than Nitrogen if you want to maintain vigour and colour.

Karen – Thanks for the explanation about what’s been happening with my posts. You are right on the mark as I often start typing early in the morning and then go and have some breakfast before returning and finishing it off.

Ian – Seems like you’re really getting into the seed sowing. Just a little tip if you don’t already know it; most people who are starting out in this area always sow too much seed (we’ve probably all done it) which results in very overcrowded seedlings. This slows down growth and makes it difficult when “thinning out” time comes. So when sowing, try and spread them around to avoid clumping.

I can’t help you much with your complicated Alcantarea name; I do know that Alcantarea ‘Regina’ is a species from Brazil but as for the rest of it I have no idea except to say that alba means white (which you probably already knew anyway). If you go to the FCBS site at http://fcbs.org/ and then open “Bromeliad Information” which is listed in the index on the left of the home page. When it opens, select and open the first heading “Glossary”. If you have hours of spare time and good eyes, this will tell you the meaning of every bromeliad term. It also helps if you have a Latin dictionary as well and that the words you are looking for are correctly spelled. As we all know, over time, names on name tags often become corrupted due to ink fading or broken labels and what is written on them is often very far from what was written originally.

You say you are using Potassium on your young seedlings “to help with their roots”, in what form are you using it liquid or solid? As for the parentage of Tristus X Fosperior; Tristis is a Brazilian species and Fosperior is a hybrid supposedly from two species, Fosteriana crossed with Spectabilis. Your Aechmea NOID in pic 3 could be Ae. Burgundy, but I can’t be sure until I see a flower.

Shirley – Thanks for the explanation about the computer query, and you’re dead right; it was the F5 key that did the trick, so thanks a lot.

You did well at the markets, all nice plants, but I would advise you to have a very close look at the Billbergia as I think I can see a bit of Flyspeck scale on it. I can’t be certain as I’m only looking at a pic. but if you aren’t familiar with what it looks like, it’s best described as looking like shiny black poppy seed only slightly smaller. It’s not the major drama that a lot of people make it out to be, but it can spread quickly in the warmer climates if not controlled. The best control is to separate it from your other plants and treat it with Confidor; preferably by dipping the whole plant in a bucket. Keep it quarantined from your other plants for a month and then scrape off the dead scale and look for any new ones. Billbergias seem to be more prone to this pest as it gets down inside the tube and is hard to see until it has spread to the outer leaves. There is an article about this pest in one of our past society newsletters, see http://www.bromeliad.org.au/news/Ill0408.htm.

Wendy – Yes my camera does have a removable storage disc but it was just because of a combination of laziness and ignorance that I let the pic’s accumulate. I had already downloaded them to my computer but it never occurred to me to delete them once I had done so. Everything on the computer is also backed up on an external hard drive as well so there was really no point in leaving them in the camera, anyway it’s all sorted now as I deleted them yesterday and now I can start to fill it up all over again.

Sue – Sorry I didn’t mean to confuse things by combining two days in the one post but as you say it’s so busy here lately that it takes forever to read everything and isn’t that great! A friend of mine called Bruce who says he knows you from his Facebook site lives up your way and intends to visit you when he can arrange it. I think it would be good to also get him onto this site as I’ve known him for a long time and can vouch for him but don’t know what’s required for him to join us so could you please sort him out. As for the show, well as I said I didn’t enter with the object of getting awards, just putting in plants to help fill the tables. As it turned out I needn’t have bothered as all the other members “went the extra yard” and brought in plants as well and in the end we had more plants than we had space for. Even my mate Bruce (who has been a member for some time) brought down a trailer load from where he lives (I think up near Coffs Harbour somewhere).

Be a bit careful about “hubby” getting interested in the gardens too, he may just have an ulterior motive like building a trail bike track through them! I’m pleased you were able to sort out Ian’s naming problem. I’m afraid it’s all getting a bit over my head as I was never really into that side of brom growing.

I have to go now as I think I’m getting RSI of the wrist from too much typing Ha! Ha!

I’ll finish with a few pic’s. - The first is Neo Pretatress as I promised Ian yesterday(unfortunately just a pup) but it does show the colours we get down here with lower light intensities. The next two are a couple of random Vrieseas fom the show and the last two are my modest little "Table Top Display" at our show about the "Life Cycle of a Neoregelia"

All the best, Nev.


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77sunset
Merino
Australia

September 10, 2012
2:58 PM

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Thanks for the tips about the broms. Hannibal has always been sitting right in the full sun in the greenhouse and has just been moved to where he is now.
I will move him back to the sunny part again.
I may even put him outside for the summer.
Nev, I dont fertlise any of the broms. I have always been afraid to ruin them if I did.
They just grow as they like.
I may give a light foliar spray of thrive or something once a year when I do the ferns in there, but thats all.

I will have to be more diligent in their care, but they all seem to be doing well.

Jean.
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 10, 2012
6:28 PM

Post #9271389

Good morning all. Oops, oh, yes, its still morning. OK.

Visited my uncle and his wife yesterday. He is dreadfully ill, and I fear we may not have him much longer. Then we went to see what was new at Sanctuary Cove afterwards. So much money crammed into one small space. Its so overbuilt it isn't even pretty. Lots of broms in the gardens in the shopping centre, but on the dry side so not showing their best at all. But we enjoyed walking around, looking at the shops and the boats at the marina.

Karen

The first pic is a pup I got from Rick Cairns, starting to show some colour. Can't wait to see it mature as it looks nice. No name though.
2 is good old neo. Fireball. It really seems to like its position and holds its colour well.
Forgot the name of this ae. but nice to see it in flower again. I didn't feel like wresting with the prickly leaves to try to find its name.
4 is a colourful stand of small broms and minis.
5 is a small vriesea growing happily in the 'wild' garden out front.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 10, 2012
11:43 PM

Post #9271623

Hi everyone,
Just trying something with photobucket

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 10, 2012
11:44 PM

Post #9271624

Oh well, back to the old drawing board.

All the best, Nev.
ianperry

September 11, 2012
4:37 AM

Post #9271682

Hi all, Just lost everything i had written again. Bloomin computers
Sue thanks for the explanation on the name change. I think I remember reading something about it in an article by Derek Butcher in May last year. But I needed reminding. Nice piccies you are showing.
Nev, thanks for a more detailed site on the name change. With the partial id on Ae burgundy I have labelled it with? Ae Burgundy. When it flowers I will try to photograph it and try again.
KmnO4, condys chrystalls or potassium permangamate mixed with water tea to light pink and water my plants with it occasionally maybe monthly during the growing season. The Predatress that i posted was growing in full sun in Rockhampton until 2 weeks ago, then it found it's way home with me and still gets a lot of sun,It is under 70% shadecloth but it is still bright.I have already planted out too many seeds, particularly since there are about 12 trays of an unknown Ae. I have potted a lot and will observe what happens. It looks like I got a good strike rate with the portea's also. Fortunately they have less seeds per pod so I might only get 50 and that will be plenty. They are spread out in 2 take away containers.
The prices that are on some of my plants are from May last year bare rooted, now they have at least doubled for commons and go to about 1/2 Bnnings prices. Rarely can I afford nursery prices. I often deal direct with growers
Getting back to fertilisers, I usually use a liquid fertiliser, Orchid Bloom Booster because it is low in Nitrogen, and high in Potassiun and Phosphorus. At the beginning of the hot season, Now, I fully submerge the pots and give rootball a good soaking. Some of my pots dry out so much that they repel water, so I soak them until there are no bubbles rising to the surface. Pinebark and perlite float to the surface. If I fully submerge a plant I drain all mix out of leaves and rinse them off as fertilised in the crown can cause crown rot. A partial reason that my pots become water repellant could be because of Malleluca trees in the neighbour's yard dropping their leaves on my broms.
Your Vr pic2 is georgeous, i have seen something similar . Could I please use the life cycle of a brom at one of our local meetings. I may use another type of brom, depending on what is available at the time.
Have a good one.
ian

pic1Vr Splendens
Pic 2 Vr Heiroglyphica
Pic3 Al regina alba in flower
All photos tonight from May 2011

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 11, 2012
1:38 PM

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argghhhh. had done a huge long post, just added pics and the tablet shut down, so i lost the lot. looks like your gremlin has jumped ship, Nev! I don't have enough time to do it all over again, so will try again later. Sorry all.
Sue
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 11, 2012
1:39 PM

Post #9272156


good morning.
Hi Nev, I didn't realise Bruce lives up this way. He commented that he was going to the Illawarra show, and I made the assumption he lived down there. I haven't known him for very long, or obviously very well! heh heh. I will get in touch with him and invite him here to our thread.
Your 'life Cycle Of A Neoregelia' set up looks great! I especially like the magnifying glass, and I bet you had alot of people peeking through it?
You are right about keeping a close eye on my hubby and his motives. That new bridge is probably the start of a circuit around the yard for the trials bike! Now that I think about it, theres quite a few spots that look rather as though they were made for motorcycles! Hmmmmm!
I love the pic of Vriesea'Galaxy' (pic three) I'm assuming thats what it is? always a popular plant. I will have myself one of those ONE DAY! heh heh.
I'm glad you have plenty there to do, as it keeps you off the streets.

I found some of it, don't know how? Just the reply to you Nev, but at least its something. Will add some more later
Sue
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 11, 2012
2:55 PM

Post #9272218

Hi everyone,

It looks like another nice day down here today, so back out in the yard and more tidying up. It looks like everyone’s gone again; what’s happened are you all exhausted after all of the posting? Come on, keep posting while we are all on a “roll” and keep this little forum interesting.

Jean - I just mentioned fertilizer because a lot of people often over fertilize and fall into the trap of thinking if a small amount will aid a plant, then three times as much must be three times as beneficial. Wrong! If the extra fertilizer doesn’t kill the brom, it will certainly rob all of the colour from the coloured leaf types such as Neo’s and Bill’s. and cause the leaves to grow long and strappy just the same as they do when grown in excess shade.
Judging by your Hallelujah, you’re doing everything right and getting great colour so don’t change anything.

Karen – Sorry to hear about your uncle, unfortunately this is all part of the cycle of life. Any time I look at pic’s of Sanctuary Cove and places like it and think of all the money that’s been spent in these places, I can’t help thinking of the millions of people dying all around the world from poverty in places where just a few dollars means the difference between life and death. Surely a worldwide better distribution of wealth would be more acceptable; but if you mention this sort of thing you are accused of being a communist. I don’t begrudge anyone a good standard of living, but I think these millionaires do really go over the top. As an example, I saw a show on TV the other night where a lady had a little dog with a diamond studded collar, obviously the dog didn’t care, all it wanted was the companionship of its owner but what good could the cost of the collar have done for the poor and needy?

Sorry; for those of you who don’t know me too well, I do tend to break out and jump on my soap box and beat my drum occasionally. I’ll get down now and get back to brom’s.
Karen you say your first pup is from Rick Cairns; He’s a good bloke who I have swapped a bit with and he also breeds some nice Billbergias (I’ll post a pic of one as an example). As for Fireball, I think it’s grown by almost every Neo. grower and there has been more written about it than most Neo’s and the experts still can’t work out whether it’s a species or a hybrid.

Your pic three looks like the flowers of an Ae. Recurvata to me, although down here the leaves colour up at flowering time, so if you can give it more light it will improve the leaf colour. You have a nice looking batch of plants on your stand and the Vriesea in the garden obviously loves where it’s growing so don’t be tempted to move it anywhere.

Ian – I (and a few others) have had the same trouble as you’ve just described. What I now do is type everything first onto Microsoft Word and when it’s finished, I just cut and paste it to Dave’s Garden. If D.G. swallows it you still have it on M.S. Word and you can easily do it again.

I think you are going to finish up like me with seedlings “coming out of your ears”. True, Porteas have less seeds in the pods but they do take up a lot more space as they grow so I guess everything’s relevant.

What brand of “Bloom Booster” do you use Ian? There are a couple about and I have used the “Manutec” brand with good results previously, also I found the Phostrogen was good for brom’s also as it has much higher Potassium than Nitrogen ratio.
The Vriesea in pic two is Vr. Nova and belongs to a good friend of mine. (I have some Nova seed if anyone would like some) just send me a stamp addressed envelope and it’s yours.

I should have explained a little about the table top display – As you look at the first pic, the journey starts at top left with examples of Neo seed capsules and then (next) a sample of dried seed after being squeezed from a capsule. From there it’s just a matter of following the arrows (although some at the bottom aren’t clear due to reflection).
The first container has seed just starting to germinate with a tiny amount of green just visible through the magnifying glass beside it. From here the arrows just follow the different stages; next to a container of seedlings before they have been “thinned out” . Continuing along the front of the table from left to right, the next container shows how there can be many different colour combinations from the same capsule. Next is a random sample of seedlings in 3” pots and onto a group of four plants from the same cross (Neo. ‘Bea Hanson’ x ‘Rosea Striata’) showing although they all have the radial red markings, the base colour is different in all (even the green one has very fine radial red markings). Finally from here we go to the plant on the top right which has just finished flowering and is making seed capsules (not my doing). I take a seed capsule from “step one” and poke it down in the vase beside to forming capsules and explain to people where it all started. The other plants are just embellishments to show the different colours possible from hybrids. Of all the people who visited my little display over the last three years it is children which I’m please to say have shown the most interest. Ian I have no patent” on the idea, and if you want to do a similar type of educational display just “go for it” but we all want to see the pic’s.

Sue - It seems the “gremlins” have visited Ian as well from what he says. Regarding Bruce; he previously lived at Camden and came down for our meetings. Camden gets stinking hot in summer and freezing cold in winter with vicious frosts, so it’s no wonder he retired and moved north. Incidentally that plant of Vr. Galaxy belongs to him also, he brought a great trailer load of plants all the way down to our show just to help out as he knew we were going to be short of plants and I’m very pleased to say he got a few prizes for all of his trouble.

I’ll finish with a few more pic’s. First one is for Karen and is one of Rick’s Billbergia seedlings, Bill. ‘Fred Red’ x ‘Hallelujah’ (second from left), only a baby yet but showing great colour. 2nd is part of the Aechmea section, 3rd is some of the Billbergia section, 4th is a few of the smaller Neoregelias and 5th is a magnificent specimen of xNeophytum Galacic Warrior.

All the best, Nev.


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 11, 2012
3:00 PM

Post #9272223

Hi again - Sorry, Dave's Garden swallowed Pic 3 so here it is (I hope)

All the best, Nev.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 11, 2012
3:47 PM

Post #9272291

Just popping in to say hello and read the mail. Trying not to get too far behind. Not much happening here yet but buds are forming and I hope to see some flowers for the first time in the not too distant future.

Nev, you could be right about that ae. recurvata. The plant has a sort of pineapple shape to it. Its rather plain otherwise, though I like the pink flowers. I would have preferred the Aztec Gold really. I did buy it as Aztec Gold, but it obviously is not.

Hope y'all have a lovely day. It is so beautiful here this morning. I'm going for a walk.
Karen
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 11, 2012
7:44 PM

Post #9272547

I'm back!
I don't know what happened this morning, but I'll give it another shot!
Firstly, Nev, great shots of the show tables. How good is it to see some of the Billbergias in flower? The xNeophytum 'Galactic warrior' is superb. I overwintered the one you gave me, in the hot house this year. It has grown significantly and i will take it out of the HH when the night time temps are above 12. (still getting early morning temps around 7 and 8 on occasion)
I was going to say the same thing to Jean. Don't change what you are doing! Your collection looks healthy and happy, and i know you have other collections to care for as well as a large garden, so Jean, just do what you do! I have posted a pic of my Hannibal in the sun, so you can see what yours will do with a bit more light.
Karen, I am also sorry about your uncle. I'm not sure that I can say anything that will make it easier so I'll just leave it at that.
I went to sanctuary cove last November and was amazed at the brom gardens there. All grouped and planted alongside Zoyza grass and kangaroo paws. i will have to find some pics, as I know I took some. Obviously the summer heat has cooked them since then, and I'm sure, being in a commercial zone, they would have had the odd bar fly falling in them (ouch) and small children running over the top. I actually enjoyed walking around, spotting and naming broms, and had a wonderful lunch at Georges paragon seafood restaurant. Yummmmm!
Your colourful Neos look great on the shelves, and the plant from Rick looks like its going to be a goody! He kindly sent me a pup of a plant we had discussed, quite some time ago, and didn't want anything in return, but if he ever asks, i will certainly return the favour.
Enjoy your walk, Karen.
Ian, i too use Orchid fert on my broms. I only use the bloom booster (manutec) on guzzies and vrieseas that I think are the right size to flower, and use the other manutec orchid one for immature plants and seedlings. the Tillandsia seedlings like it! I've just started using a little of the Chondys chrystals in a watering can (a teeny-tiny pinch) just to turn the water pale pink, and am using this as an all around fertiliser, so will be interested to see if it greens up the colourful plants at all. I hope not.
ok, back to the pics.
Photo one is hannibal lector for jean.
Photo two is the border made with the red NOID for Trish
Photo three is Aechmea 'Freckles' in the sun.
Photo four is Quesnelia 'farro' (first time flowering)
Photo five is another border, using another Neo Noid. This time a smaller one that seems a bit olen-sy
Sue

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ianperry

September 12, 2012
3:45 AM

Post #9272806

Hi all, another fine day and still no rain. Probibly keep the cane farmers happy though.
Nev I am using Manutec Bloom booster. Others here are using granular fertiliser mix, i guess to each their own..
That is a beautiful Neophytum Galactic warrior.
Sue this time i am fertilising everything with Condys chrystals, dunk the entire pot and if the leaves get wet then I will just drain them and rinse them off. Sometimes fertiliser in the crown can cause rot. This may only be with Nitrogen fertiliser, so I have been told. The next fertilising will be with the orchid Manutec Bloom booster. I am an experimenter but I investigate things a bit before I try them. Just before winter I might use up my African Violet fertiliser, it is a bit, big bit heavy on the nitrogen. This could beef them up for winter, but maybe not. There will be someone out there who has tried and may share their results with us. I like to use different brands as there is often different trace elements in each of them. Epsom salts is magnesium very helpful in citrus and my crypts are growing under the citrus trees. They are bound to get some from the soil. My crtpts are still in their pots dug into the soil to assist in maintaining moisture.
Have a good one
Ian.
Pic 1 Til xerographica
pic 2 Ursulae Mcveighii
Pic 3 Ae Primera a( fasciata)
Pic 4 N Lava
Pic 5 Androlepsis skinneri on 8" pavers

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perke_patch

September 12, 2012
5:37 AM

Post #9272852

Hi again to you all. Like a lot of us I lost my post last night so gave up and went to bed. seems to go in cycles and it happens often for a while then suddenly eveything works well again for a while. Wonder if it is my computer or DG related problem???

wow with so much happening in here you read something and think I'll respond to that but by the time you get to the bottom you can't remember what you wanted to say. UMMMM I'll try to remember some.

Sue we have a lovely vr galaxy just starting to raise up a flower spike atm. Did it come from Jen originally or from Margaret Patterson??? I can't remember but Jen does have a beauty that throws a lot of variegated grass pups. I don't know if we got any grass pups from ours??? m aybe it will start now.

Galactic Warrior : one of our favourites and one of our early expensive purchases. since then we've learned not to dump a pup that is all green. we nearly did a while back but decided it might turn into a nice plant even without variegation so were delighted to see some white appear after a while and then even more till it eventually turned out as nice as all the others showing variegation from a small pup. so don't give up on them too soon.

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perke_patch

September 12, 2012
6:11 AM

Post #9272880

thought I lost my last post as computer froze but I see it is there. my next pic was going to be the galaxy but it froze uploading it. here it is now. I'll have to get a pic of it now with the infloresence rising from the centre.

I'm off to bed now. will try to post again tomorrow night although I will have little Rylee sleeping over so we'll see if I have access to the compuer.

Night all
Wendy

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works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 12, 2012
6:28 AM

Post #9272892

Hi everyone, getting warmer by the day … and dryer too, though I heard we should get rain next week and quite a bit by the sounds of it … hope they’re right this time.

Nev, glad the F5 key worked for you. And you’re right about scale on the bill, I noticed it after I paid for it and treated it (and the others I bought) with confidor when I got home. I would love some of your Vr Nova seed if you have some to spare. It will be my first attempt at growing from seed so I can’t guarantee good results. Very nice Neophytum Galactic Warrior in your pic.

Karen, the unnamed neo in your first pic looks like my neo Kahala Dawn … I’ll attach a pic, see what you think.

Sue, sorry I had the date wrong, another senior’s moment … I seem to have a lot of them lately. Good luck for the judging next Tuesday, I’m sure you’ll do very well. Just think, by this time next week you will be able to sit back, relax and enjoy your garden.

Ian, I am not that into Tills but that Xerographica could sway me, I love it.

Wendy, that Galactic Warrior in your pic is really stunning and your Vr Galaxy too, can't wait for mine to grow bigger.

OK, it’s getting late, time for me to head off to bed too. Pic is neo Kahala Dawn for Karen.

G’Night, Shirley



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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 12, 2012
2:28 PM

Post #9273305

red river, Rosella, NOID?, break of day and wild gossip

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 12, 2012
2:32 PM

Post #9273308

tiger, predator, cheery day, aztec and manoa beauty?(look at the light stripe on it.)

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 12, 2012
2:54 PM

Post #9273318

Good morning. A sunny but brisk start to the day. I am off to Bunnings this morning to buy a stumpy screwdriver with the 4 points on it. Don't know what they are called, but I know what to look for. I need to get to a screw deep inside a wooden box and the handles on those I have are too long and won't fit.

Shirley, I do hope my noid turns out like your Kahala Dawn. That is lovely. Thank you for showing.

Bree, Those are a lovely lot of broms there. I've got Break of Day. Wild Gossip is gorgeous!

Wendy, I love that Galactic Warrior. It is a real show stopper!

Ian, I like that Neo. Lava, and that tillandsia Xerographica. Apparently the latter takes many years to grow to flowering but is well worth the wait. I actually don't have one yet but admire all the pics I see of them.

Sue, nice pics and I love the red borders you've done on those gardens. Ae Freckles is a beauty, isn't it. I had "lost" my uncle for many, many years, but he turned up at my mother's funeral some years ago, and I loved having him back in my life. He always seems so eternal, so full of life, even though he was sick back then too. Well, lets hope he can pull back from the edge this time too. I'd like to have him around a lot longer, but when you see them so sick you wonder if they want to stay. I wouldn't, not that sick. His wife, Trixie, is 93, and healthy as. Amazing lady, that one.

Well, off to get ready to go find that screw driver thingie. Have a great day.
Karen


splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 12, 2012
3:07 PM

Post #9273330

Hi everyone, just here for a short time today.

Karen – They say a picture’s worth a thousand words, so for a better description of Ae Recurvata, have a look at the plant on the left of the second picture of my last post.

Sue – More great shots of your wonderful gardens to put us all to shame and the flowers on Quesnellia Farro and other similar ones never cease to amaze me.

Ian – Like you I’m a bit inclined to experiment with different fertilizers as well.
Ursulaea macvaughii is a great plant with an amazing flower; your plant is getting a bit of size but still has a bit of growing to do. I grew hundreds of these from seed but gave them all away as they didn’t like the cold down here in winter.

Wendy – That’s a nice Galactic Warrior, the leaves seem wider than the ones we grow down here but then maybe it’s just the angle it’s photographed from. From what you say about your green pup it seems like I may have had too much nitrogen to kick it along.

Shirley – It seems like my old eyes are the only part of me that’s working properly at present (imagine an “old fart” like me picking up flyspeck on a pic on a computer screen) I’m really proud of myself.

Breeindy – What a great lot of pic’s you’ve posted today. I don’t think your No.3 plant in your first post is ‘Spots and Dots’. There are two forms with one being the original variegated one and another NOVAR, but I don’t think yours is either. The stripe in your ‘Manoa Beauty’ is interesting as I have a plant I grew from one of my crosses with a similar stripe which comes out in it every year and just like yours it’s just a single stripe.
Now a few pic’s, 1st Neo [Charm x Cracker Jack ] x Self seedling to show Breeindy the similar stripe to her Manoa Beauty what a coincidence. The next four pic’s are not my plants but taken at the show.

All the best, Nev.

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shellharbour
Australia

September 12, 2012
4:58 PM

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Hi everyone,

I must apologise, as I was a bit too quick with my offer of Vr. Nova Seed because when I went to get it out of the fridge I remembered I had tossed all the surplus seed when I cleaned my seed container out.

To those people who had already asked for it, I apologise but I'll send some other seed instead as a substitute. I still have a couple of contacts where I might be able to get some and if I do you will be the first to get it.

All the best, Nev.
ianperry

September 12, 2012
11:29 PM

Post #9273720

Hi all. Stripes are in season by the look of it, but there are other colour mixtures as well. Here are some Neos
pic 1 N spots and dots
pic 2 Lime fizz
Pic 3 High Voltage
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Have a good one.
Ian

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ianperry

September 13, 2012
1:06 AM

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Pic1 N Midnight with a stripe on 2 leaves
Pic 2 N Midnight

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perke_patch

September 13, 2012
5:07 AM

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Hi everyone.
I'm having an early one tonight. a few days off from the girls now. I don't remember little ones being such hard work bt I love every minute with them. It just means I have to run after 3 instead of just Johnny oh and Max (the dog) too of course. I never seem to get to sit down and enjoy a full cuppa any more. always have to jump up to get something for one of them. The girls just seem to be hungry all day long. I spend almost the whole day in the kitchen making sandwiches, drinks, biscuits etc. Anyway 3 days off now and lots of pupping to do. Emily potted a couple of plants today but refused to use my labels and insisted on writing her own. We now have 2 plants labelled EMilY instead of concentrica peaches. she even propped them up with skewers and sat them in a box with about half inch of water like I do. I soak them overnight before putting them down the back somewhere.

Neo spots n dots seems to be a bit unstable. I recently had to buy in a new one because all of mine had lost their variegation. I must have sold all the variegated ones and got left with only a mother producing novars. so a new one was needed to start again.

We had a busy day with 3 lots of people here buying plants and another 1 dropping off pots and trays. I'll have to get Jen to come over to collect all the pink pots he dropped off to us. Johnny won't have coloured pots in our yard so they all go to Jen.

I have a vrisea here that had 2 pups ... one completely green the other had uniform red stripes on every leaf. It is only a small sized vrisea. I've separated them now and the striped one has retained its stripes the whole time. unfortunately it doesn't havea name so I'll have to wait for it to grow up to see if it sends out striped pups. it will then be a sport. we had another larger guzmania that had a single stripe on one leaf but it didn't retain the stripe. It grew out.

I harvested seed from our billbergia fruit salad x sanderiana yesterday and washed and dried it overnight. This afternoon I planted them out. there was only 2 pods so just enough to do a light coating in a takeaway tray. I I
perke_patch

September 13, 2012
5:24 AM

Post #9273815

froze again and this time I lost my post. I'm going to bed now. I think I'll do a scan now though to see if I can speed up the computer.

Night all
Wendy

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 13, 2012
5:43 AM

Post #9273829

Hi all, lots of lovely pics tonight.

Bree, I love all your gorgeous neos, especially Red River and Rosella.

Karen, hope you found your stumpy screw driver thingie and got it to do what you needed it to do.

Sue, have you worn yourself out with all your hard work?

I will attach pics of my two Spots & Dots, one variegated and the other Novar.

All for now,
Bye, Shirley

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 13, 2012
1:36 PM

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Hi everyone,

Well at last the long awaited rain has come last night and I was hopeful it would clear all the bugs out of the air but it wasn't to be, the rain fizzled out after an hour or so and once again the sky is clear this morning. Everyone you speak to down here has either had the bug or has it now and it's such a stubborn bug this time and seems to hang around for weeks. Just when you think you're over it, BANG! You cop it again. Not me this time but my wife, so I'll probably cop it next. I guess it's OK as long as the both of us aren't crook at the same time otherwise who's going to look after us and the brom's?

Ian – What you say about variegated plants is very true, they seem to be all the go at present and people are forgetting all of the nice other colour variations and spotted types that are still around. It looks like you could even have a 'Midnight' that is starting to revert to variegated and I imagine in another fifteen years we'll know if my prediction was right or not.

I also had problems loading pictures a few posts back and I think it may have been because they were too large. Since I reduced the size via a (round-a-bout sort of way I stumbled across) I've had no more problems.

Wendy – No doubt about it, the “littlies” wear us out. My little grandson is crook at the moment with this dreadful bug that's going around down here and so is his Mother, Father and my wife also. I'm the only one still standing and just as well as I got a phone call from Kayleen to say they are on their way back from Victoria and will visit tomorrow so I just have to hang on until after then.

Shirley – They are two nice looking pups you have there and look like they are from good sturdy plants. They clearly show the difference between “the real deal” and the NOVAR although you can still see a faint line in the leaf of the NOVAR so perhaps it could throw variegated pups once again.

That's it for me today so more pic's to finish with and this time I'll get away from the show pic's and take Ian's lead and show a few of the other colours Pic.1 is Neo 'Apricot Nectar', Pic 2 Neo 'Camelot', this plant can vary from season to season with its markings. Pic 3 Neo Crimson Glow 'Red Fleck'. It's an “oldie” but still a very popular and an interesting plant as well. The plant in the picture is not showing its full colour but some of the red flecks on the leaves are still visible, the main attraction with this plant is when it is in full colour and is suspended and can be viewed from below with the light behind it. It's then that the little red flecks in the leaves really “shine”and they appear almost iridescent and most unusual. Pic 4 is Neo 'Midnoght Moment' and is a different spotted type altogether that either you like or you hate, there's no half way and Pic 5 shows what can be done when old favourites are hybridised, in this case it's a hybrid using Neo 'Lambert's Pride' as the seed parent, unfortunately the pollen parent's name wasn't given.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 13, 2012
1:40 PM

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Yeah i didnt think mine was spots and dots, thats what it was tagged though. Is it a mini, looks small?
Wonder what mine is, i love it?

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 13, 2012
1:45 PM

Post #9274206

good morning.
Sorry I went awol. I had an early start followed by a busy day and just didn't get to the computer in the end.
We had a drop of rain last night, but to look outside, you wouldn't know it. It also blew a gale, so another task of picking up leaves and branches will be in order. I'm thinking about leaving that until monday now, as there still might be more windy days yet, and why keep doing the same job, over and over? I've only got the bananas to tidy up, and then up to Leisas garden to deleaf the broms (that is, get all the gum leaves out with the BBQ tongs)
ian, I use my african violet fertiliser on my seedlings, as the high nitrogen is good to promote leafy growth. I add a bit to the spray bottle when I mist them. I don't have the African violets anymore, so don't like to waste the fert.
I love your Tillandsia xerographica and the ursulaea and also your Androlepis. I have quite a fewof Nevs ursulaea seedlings in the HH, all doing well. I also like your Neo. 'Midnight'. It is one of my favourites and is such a good pupper!
Wendy, i look forward to seeing your pic of vriesea 'galaxy' in flower. I flowered V. glutinosa earlier this year, and it was quite a nice flower spike. I had taken heaps of grass pups off over the years, and must see if I have one left to grow on. I've no doubt I will get a V. 'Galaxy' eventually, as there seems to be no shortage of them.
I'm with Johnny, only black pots used here also. Belinda gets my coloured ones. Our local Waste station has closed down the recycle shop, and now i rely entirely on people to donate pots. Its nuisance, as i have trouble getting the standard 120-140mm pots! I have heaps of large ones, but the smaller ones seem in short supply.
I hope your Vriesea retains its red stripes.
Shirley, no worries about your senior moment. I think we all get them from time to time? It is starting to come together here now, and I am able to stand back and enjoy what I see, as well as breakfast in the yard, in the sunshine, serves to remind me how enjoyable it can be. I oiled all the outdoor furniture so will have to wait a few days before i can sit on it, but there's plenty of other seating here and there, through out the garden. Hubby and I are laying some turf this arvy, if the weather is good, and the turf arrives and he gets home early? There's alot of 'if's there. fingers crossed.
Bree, goodness me, what a lovely lot of pics you have posted. How was your family thing? Did you get to the orchid show?
Karen, I think by your description, you might be after a short handled Philips head screwdriver?
How did you go with that? It sounds like you really have a connection with your uncle, and great that he came back into your life. I guess the best thing to do is spend as much time with him as you can, when you can. It is lovely to hear of such mature people still getting the most out of life.
Nev, what an easy mistake to make. I noticed some packets of something in the freezer last night. I'm not sure if it is seed or pollen? I will have to take it out and see what the dates are on them, as I think all will require tossing. Sounds like you had a senior moment too!
Well, I might take the dogs for a stroll, as we seem to all be benefitting from it. Its pretty breezy out there though, but I don't think its cold. I hate the wind, except when its washing day.
Nev, the first pic is a Neo seedling from you, labelled #44
photo two is my Hannibal Lector seedlings
photo three shows the green stripes
Sue

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 13, 2012
3:29 PM

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Its a good brisk morning again with a bit of a wind blowing. I'm out of here again today to do a bit of bush walking and then have lunch with Barry.

I did get my screw driver thingie, but I found a pack of two, one with the Philips Head (thanks Sue) and the other with the flat blade end. Never know when I might need one of those too. Had a look at Bunning garden section while there. The daisy like flowers are just getting more and more beautiful. Wish I had a sunny garden to grow them.

Also got a book for Uncle Merv. Don't know what he usually reads but I got a James Patterson book. He seems to be very popular and not hard to read either. Will get Trixie some crochet cotton, as she likes to do those teatowels folded and made into kitchen hand towels. Merv is too weak to go on outings so there's not much else for him to do but read or do crosswords. He's hooked up to oxygen all the time but can still move around when he's strong enough.

Some wonderful broms posted again today. That Spots and Dots is a nice one. I love that Neo Midnight Moment, Nev. Bree, I have quite a few that are similar to that last one you posted. All are small, all slightly different from each other, and most are NOIDs. I don't think any are marked as strongly as the one in your pic though. Shirley, that difference between those 2 plants is amazing. I love the var. one, but then I have a weakness for vars. Ian, I like that Lime Fizz too. Wendy, enjoy your days off. I found young grandchildren were great to have around, but always nice to be able to hand them back at the end of the day. I still wonder where they get all that energy though. Would love to bottle it. Mine are all grown up now and turning into couch potatoes.

Hello to everyone, hope you all have a great day.
Karen

Have this noid growing in my frangipanni tree. No idea what it is, and at first glance it is rather plain, but it has coloured up a lot and is now in flower. It is a bit larger than Fireball. It is directly under a wattle tree and the dead flowers keep filling the cups.






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ianperry

September 14, 2012
2:04 AM

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Hi just some quick piccies tonite
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Ae Apocalyptica
pic 2 Ae Chantani
Pic 3 Ae Fosters favourite favourite and fosters favourite
Pic 4 Ae Pectinata
Pic 5 Ae Naudicaulis red form

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 14, 2012
4:09 AM

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Sue- i did go to Woolgoolga but didnt get to go to the orchid show or plant fair
1 is a NOID mini
2. do you think this could be a spots and dots? i think its tagged MS hybid?
3. its the only Neo. i have with white flowers.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 14, 2012
12:12 PM

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good morning all.
Nice and early today, although I will probably go back to sleep after.
Karen, I am glad you found your useful tools. I am in Bunnings at least once a week (three times this week) and mostly in the garden/nursery section. I wish I had a home for all the lovely plants I see there. I do, on occasion, buy those blue ten packs of annuals, and make up a pot of colour. They are very good value, at less than a dollar a plant, and are usually well advanced.
The book sounds like a very nice gesture. I am not familiar with the Writer, but have heard of him, so no doubt a winner. I am sure your Uncle will appreciate the thought that went into it. I love those crocheted hand towels! An elderly lady I gardened for used to make me several every xmas. I still have a few left, but as she passed away earlier this year, i will have to purchase them from now on.
Your NOID Neo looks very similar to one I have. It is strappy and green if grown in the shade, and flushes red at flowering, but in the sun is quite dark red, with spots, and is a bit bigger than fireball and thicker leaved. It also has long stolons like fireball. I posted this picture a few back, but here, I've used it as a border. I wonder if they are the same?
How was your lunch with Barry? Did you go anywhere nice?
Ian, some nice plants there again. Could number two be A. chantinii?
Bree, sorry you didn't get to the orchid show. How is your orchid collection going? You must have a few flowering now?
The one you think might be spots and dots, does look similar. I couldn't really be sure. Also your first NOID looks very close to a Mini Neo I have. I will check to see if mine is labelled later this morning.
Well, the turf was laid yesterday, so a bit of watering to do today and some work in the brom gardens. hubby may pick up some mulch hay for me today, to put around the bananas, and other than mowing, I am quite on top of it all. Whew! Its been an effort. I really don't expect to win, as the judges are apparently, very fussy. We have a couple of areas where hubby likes to stack and store stuff. I turn a blind eye, but they might not? Too bad. The best part for me, is the chance that I might get some visitors through for a look, and thats always a nice thing.
Anyway, heres that pic again Karen, with the NOID border. (i think it might be a fireball x olens)
The second pic is a tibouchina tree with a few minis tied to it, and behind is the Eupatorium bushes.
Third pic is a wheelbarrow of succulents
fourth pic is Aechmea pineliana in flower
Happy gardening weekend everyone.
Sue

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 14, 2012
3:03 PM

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Good morning everyone. I think it is even colder this morning, brrrr...

Sue, below is a pic of the same brom in my frangipanni tree. It could be the same, just yours probably has better growing conditions. I do love that Eupatorium bush, and wheelbarrows are my favourite garden ornament. One day when I'm stronger, we are going to have to plan a visit down to see your garden. I have a sister in law living down your way and she is long overdue for a visit too.

Ian, do your plants have much trouble with the high humidity there? Are there any special tips you have for safeguarding against rot or mould? You have quite a collection, so you must have some good tips.

Bree, those are lovely broms there. I particularly like that first one, the mini noid. I have 2 that look similar, one is Betty Head, the other is Vulcan, though the latter has longer, slimmer leaves.

Karen

1 is noid in frangipanni tree'
2 is an unnamed vriesea from Rick Cairns
3 is another I don't know but I like it. Also from Rick Cairns.


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 15, 2012
12:21 AM

Post #9275691

Hi everyone,

Well I made a big decision yesterday while walking around my collection; at least half of it has to go. A lot of the plants I had hanging beneath shade cloth on the northern side of the yard have been terribly wind damaged from the recent gale force winds we experienced. The damage wasn't so much from the wind but from pots being blown together and plants hitting each other and breaking leaves. So I'll go through them and anything that isn't in good condition is going in the green bin. Healthy pups will be taken off of course as they can later be sold at the society plant sales. It's pretty disheartening to look at it all now and it's got to the stage where I'm really ashamed to let anyone see it in it's present condition.

Breeindy – Don't think you are the only person to be caught out buying a plant which is wrongly named either by accident or intent. I learnt a long time ago never to trust the name on a label and I'm sure a lot of people who have been growing for a while now have come to the same conclusion. No matter what the name is, when it's all said and done isn't it really a case of “beauty being in the eye of the beholder”? I think the plant in your first pic is a “little ripper”, a real eye catcher. As for the second one, no I don't think it's 'Spots and Dots', although it looks a bit like one I have called Neo 'Syncopate' , which is a hybrid of Allan Ladd's from Northern N.S.W. hybrid. Is your plant a small or large plant?

As for the definition of a mini; going on Australian judging standards it's any plant when fully mature will fit inside an 8” circle; in fact I know of a judge who carries a piece of cardboard with an 8” circle cut out of it in his bag just so he can check borderline cases.

Sue - Pleased to hear your Ursulaea seedlings are doing well? I gave some to Jen as well and she says she has one that's 3' across, I didn't know they grew so big so perhaps it's the warm climate and the TLC she's giving them,. All I know is they wouldn't do any good down here in the cool winter weather. As for “Senior's Moments” I'm always having them and either misplacing things or throwing them out when they should be kept. (But I'm allowed to do that Sue, you're not, because you're not a "senior"). My wife on the other hand reckons I keep things that should be thrown out,so what's a man to do?

I like the idea of growing plants on the Tibouchina tree as I have one, (I think you saw it when you were here). I'm regularly threatening to cut down as it drops the flowers and leaves all over the shade cloth below it. Maybe I can find a use for it after all.

That's not a bad looking little seedling Sue, was there anything else on the label except that number? Bottom right has my vote for your Hannibal Lector seedlings although the one you're holding with the faint striping could turn out to be interesting. (Nice thongs!)

Karen – The pic of your plant is similar to one I have called Neo 'Red Bird' which is in flower now. Size wise, it's about halfway between a mini and a medium sized Neo. It is stoloniferous and the under side of the leaves are darker than the top. It's a good grower and does extremely well if mounted on trees. The second pic in your last post has foliage markings very similar to either Vr 'Erotica' or Vr. 'Tachete Gold'. If it has dark markings on the tips of the leaves it could be 'Tachete Gold'. You can check them both out at: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.phpgenus=VRIESEA&id=10477#10477

Ian – That's a good selection of pic's you've posted once more, this time Aechmeas. I'd just like to say one thing though, don't let your Ae Pectinata out of the pot because if it gets into the ground it will grow into a massive plant, I have one and I foolishly sank the pot into the ground to stop it tipping over and now it's about 3 feet across (See pic 1).

Finally, a good day to everyone one on the sick list, and I hope you are soon on the way to recovery.

Well that's about it for today from me. I started this at 6.00am this morning and what with interruptions all day, I've just now finished it now at 5.20pm. Finally a few pic's; firstly Ae. Pectinata just to show Ian how easy this plant can take over once it escapes from its pot, Pic. 2 is Ae. Formosa 'Festiva', Pic 3 is Ae Recurvata 'Blushing Pineapple', Pic 4 and 5 are two Ae Recurvatas from our recent show just to show the typical colour range obtainable.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 15, 2012
3:37 AM

Post #9275724

its a pretty large plant Nev.
ianperry

September 15, 2012
3:54 AM

Post #9275728

Hi all, It has been a busy day inspecting, cleaning and watering my back bush house. I have also looked at old piccies of my plants to compare them with now. Some have coloured up, some down and some with little change except for size. I even found some scale that ought not be there, they are aside now awaiting treatment tomorrow.
Karen, rot has been a problem for me here, I have probibly lost 8 or 10 plants, some have pupped though. I now check my plants a bit more often and if I suspect there is too much water being held, I split the bottom 2 or 3 rows of leaves to let the water out. I also have to watch out for debris as I am still growing some of my plants under trees, the palm flowers are the worst culprits. Mould not a problem, except on seedlings until I get some ventilation into the trays. To treat the mould I spray with Miltons anti bacterial tablets mixed with water, 1 tab in 2 l water, Kills it almost instantly. I used vinegar painted on with an artists brush but found it too time consuming.
Sue, you could be right, looks like I had 2 choices and chose the wrong 1.
Nev, part of my landscape plan is from desert to rainforest, with the desert out front and rainforest out back. Big prickly plants could suit some of this plan, could be part of the reason i am collecting hard leaved Aechmeas. It could also deterr people I don't want in the front yard. The young pandannas palm is even more visious than any prickly brom that I have got so far.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 N Bills gift
Pic 2 N Vulcan x spot on
pic 3N Noble decent
Pic 4 N Annick
Pic 5 N Royal robe

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works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 15, 2012
5:39 AM

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Hi everyone, still very dry here though we are supposed to get rain (substantial rain) next week, so they say. We haven’t had a drop in more than 8 weeks now.

Nev, hope your wife is feeling better now and your grandson and his parents too. That hybrid of neo Lamberts Pride is beautiful, I love the colours. Also love the look of Ae Pectinata, gotta get me one of those and your Ae Formosa Festiva is a handsome beast as well. So sorry to hear that you plan to get rid of half of your lovely brom collection because of damage caused by recent strong winds.

Sue, you certainly were up and about early this morning, hope you got the chance to go back to sleep later. Not long now before you face the judges and I wish you the very best of luck for Tuesday.

Ian, nice lot of neos in your pics, especially Annick, I am very partial to the variegated neos, large and small, love em all.

We went off to the market this morning and I didn’t buy a plant. We then went over to Bunnings and again, I didn’t buy a plant though I did get a few pots. Don’t know what’s wrong with me !!!

I only just noticed the thingy on the photos this morning. Don’t know how long it has been there but it certainly makes checking out all the photos in a post a lot quicker, especially if there are 4 or 5. No longer having to click on the photo and wait for it to appear and then arrow back again and wait and click on the next one … again and again … so much quicker now.

Well, enough from me for now, enjoy the rest of the weekend. Pic is neo Lemon Pepper.

Shirley




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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 15, 2012
7:55 AM

Post #9275837

Hi Everyone!

Thought I better play catchup bigtime - WOW so many threads, I started reading them at 10.30pm and it's now 11.30pm - I have eyeball cramps lol.

Anyway better start typing or it will be 1am before I know it and I will be snooring behind my laptop.

A special hello to everyone on the sick list, I hope you all feel better real soon.

Sue, all the very best wishs to you for Tuesday, how exciting! I have really enjoyed seeing what wonderful garden projects you have been up to, awesome work - well done and thanks for sharing.

Great pic's Everyone, luved all that I saw and I made sure I opened everyone of them as I enjoy taking a closer look - what fantastic colours. How dull would life be without colour. That's the one thing I have always tried to achieve in all the gardens we have had and that is to be surrounded by as much colour as possible. When we lived in VIC we had an English garden and I do miss some of the plants I had in that garden, but I am so pleased that I can grow many more types of brom's now given they are my utmost absolute favourite.

So glad it's the weekend, was hanging out bigtime for some chillout time in the garden. Got the grocery shopping out of the road on Friday but before then went to Bunnings to pick up some more supplies for the garden. Before you no it $200 dollars later and we only went in there for a couple of things lol. God I luv that shop!

Started the day off early this morning 5am for a walk on the beach with hubby and our two girls (our dogs), will have to send pic of our other girl next time around.

Then as soon as we got home we shot straight out into the garden, hubby spent some quality time with his orchids, preening and feeding, then he helped me shade our entertainment area (half way up) where all my vriesea's live. It looks great and has really cooled down the area and the air flow is perfect. , I will have to upload a pic once I have all my babies back in place. I was concerned because I discovered a slight burn mark on one of my vriesea leaves and automatically went into damage contol mode lol and I am so relieved - one thing less on my list of things I thought I might end up having to do. Normal people just have To Do Lists but I have that plus Things I Might Have To Do Lists, ah well it keeps me out of mischief :)

The remainder of our day was spent picking fresh veggies from the garden, tending to all my broms (removing gum leaves mainly), with a little bit of house work thrown in at the end so I would not feel too guilty.

Sunday will be spent potting up some new broms, taking pic's of them and then I will go spend some time in the nursery getting rid of a few anoying weeds that have raised their ugly heads in some of my hanging pots - gurr.

It's now 12:12pm and hubby is snooring like a trooper as well as My Little Helper - Lucy, has anyone good some earplugs I could borrow - seriously really lol.

We normally tucker Lucy out with the big walk in the morning plus big days spent in the garden. Our other girl prefers to stay inside mostly and comes and visits us in the garden when she feels like it or it's time to be fed, she (Lexi) is a Dashy X, we call her the Stream Line Model, she is beautiful and is 6yrs old. Both our girls have been adoped from RSPCA when they were 3yrs old.

Anyway, time for me to clock off or I will suffer when body clock gets me out of bed early tomorrow.

Hear are a few pic's to enjoy:

Take care everyone, hopefully I well get to chat with you all during the week, even if it's just for a brief moment here and there.

Pic 1 - Neo' Sheer Joy
Pic 1 - Neo's Painted Delight
Pic 3 - Neo' Pimento
Pic 4 - Vr. Gigantea Siedeliana (I luv this one - so pretty and line defined for a small vr.
Pic 5 - My Little Helper (Lucy - 8yrs old) luv's helping me in the garden and is especially interested in checking out what I get up to with my Brom's (she luvs watching me pot them lol) and is ever so careful when she walks next to them because mummy has taught her many years ago by saying "Be careful, be careful" lol.

See, it's now 12:43pm - decided to check my paragraphs were in place because sometimes they get thrown all out of wack because of how much text is going on here.

Ps - Snooring situation not improving any time soon by the sounds of things - come on really ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Good night - frown face :(

Happy gardening everyone!

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 15, 2012
8:08 AM

Post #9275843

Sorry, could not help myself given the industrial noise situation going on around here - it's now 1:01am dame it so I could not resist attaching pic of our girl Lexi, I felt guilty leaving her out of last thread, anyway here she is, isn't she beautiful:

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 15, 2012
3:29 PM

Post #9276135

Hi everyone,

Well it looks like a nice sunny day here so the “post show” clean-up begins!

Breeindy – Yes Bree it is a pretty large plant and what's more it's growing in an area where I was told it would never do any good let alone flower. You see I had two pups and was told they had to be grown in good bright light (albeit not full sun) as that's where the mother plant had been growing. I originally potted them up and located them as advised and there they sat and just “sulked” and made no progress. Never being one to put all his eggs in one basket, I took one and planted it (pot and all) in its present location on the shady side of the yard beneath 75% green shade cloth in an area originally built for Guzmanias. Within a few weeks it just “took off” and grew and grew to what you see in the pic which was taken two years ago. The other pup in the pot just seemed to go backwards so I did the same with that but in the end it rotted and I lost it altogether. The moral of the story is; don't believe everything you're told and try out other things for your self.

Ian – I think everyone who has a reasonably large collection and doesn't spray as a regular thing will find a bit of scale from time to time. I personally prefer not to “blanket spray” as I have frogs, lizards and birds constantly in the yard. My preference is one of observation and when I spot a plant with a problem, it is taken to a separate are and treated individually.

As for rot, I have found over the years that rot will also often start at the site of a “trauma”, the most common being is when something falls onto the plant or down into the leaf axils with enough force to cause the leaf to break or be ruptured in some way. It is at this weak point that often the rot can be traced back to. I have a lot of suspended plants and occasionally during watering, a lump of back will fall out of an overhead plant and land on a plant below; even this is sometimes sufficient to cause damage and if conditions are right, be sufficient to start rot.

That's a great lot of pic's you've posted and out of all of them the only one I have is Nobel Descent which I find is a beaut plant to grow in almost full sun. It is tough as nails and will colour up to almost yellow and makes a great contrast plant in the garden. It also has good spikes to deter the vandals as well.

Shirley – Yes it wasn't just the wind damage that caused me to decide to cut down on my collection it was a combination of that and health problems. I reasoned it would be better to reduce the size of the collection to one I could manage comfortably rather than have a large collection that wasn't looked after properly.

Your little Neo looks great and with its fine spotting is very appropriately named.

Trish – Having a “Things to Do List” is great as long as you follow it and the jobs to be done are prioritised. However if you are like me and regularly have “Senior's Moments” (as we discussed in a recent post), when you go to get the list you forget where you put it.

They are really beautiful well grown plants you have posted and being a Neo man I can't help but admire your beautiful Neo. 'Sheer Joy'; one I haven't seen before. I love your little dogs also and they look like they are being looked after just as well as your plants.. Personally I've always thought there's something wrong with people who don't like dogs. I've had dogs all of my life right up until recently when I lost my last little mate of 17 years to a stroke. At this stage I'm still not ready for another as his loss is still too raw and upsetting, but I'll get another one in the future. What they say is very true; a dog is very non-judgemental and a man's (and woman's) best friend.

A big “cherrio” to anyone on the sick list and I hope you are all back posting again soon.

A few show pic's, to finish; the first four are of random plants and Pic 5 was taken by one of the cheeky younger female embers who labelled it “The Three Wise Monkeys”

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 15, 2012
10:36 PM

Post #9276377

Nev you asked if my brom i thought was spots and dots was large or small, its large(see pic).
While were showing our dogs...

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ianperry

September 16, 2012
2:01 AM

Post #9276404

Hi all, another busy day just cleaning and watering my broms, I have been doing this for a week now and it is making a big difference. I have moved a few into the pool area for tempory storage, possibly it has better light than the bush house. I need to expand the old one and want to go from the back verandah to the current bush house. This will cover the clothes line and shade it a bit, less bleaching of clothes. It will also cover 90% of the back yard and do something to the back lawn, It is a big project and will need a budget to suit. I will have to stop buying plants to build. Then I will have a bush house. Soon i will have an area just for my NOIDs and then try to identify them 1 x 1.
Nev I can relate to senior moments and the hereafter as I go into a room and wonder what I am here after.
Got a few more today 1 labelled Pitch Black. I hope it is right. The bonus for the week is that Bil tigrinus horridus is flowering now. Green flowers, there seem to be a few bils with green flowers.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Bil Tigrinus horridus flowers
Pic 2 N pitch Black
Pic 3 N mini NOID
Pic 4 Temporary storage
Pic 5 N Noid w3as orange centre but is becoming redder as the light is getting to it. Was in Bunnings lighting

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 16, 2012
4:47 AM

Post #9276433

Hi Everyone

Just lost a huge thread I had been typing for 30mins - bugger - I totally understand everyone's pain :( double bugger...

Anyway too late to start all over again, but here are some pics of the just shaded L shaped entertainment area that houses all my vrieseas and one lonely neo called sam smith that you guys have already met lol. The area also houses our outdoor dining setting, bbq, gym and treadmill:

Take care everyone, speak soon and happy gardening!

Trish

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 16, 2012
5:02 AM

Post #9276442

Oh, one other pic I wanted to attached (not at all brom related) is of my asparagus that I have been picking everyday up to 3 to 5 per day, it grows very quick and tastes so much nicer than shop brought.

Also, check out this huge hibiscus flower, sorry could not resist:

Trish :)

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perke_patch

September 16, 2012
5:50 AM

Post #9276471

Hi everyone.
I have been reading each night but the last couple nights when I try to post the computer freezes up and I lose the post. I then shut down and go to bed in frustration. sorry. I'll post tonight with no picks first and if it works I'll try to attach pics separately.

Trish we enclosed our patio but we had pull down shadecloth blinds made. that way we can sit in the sun in winter and be shaded in summer. we can also lower the blind to block the wind. Love your patio with the nice neat row of vriseas along the edge. they'll love that filtered sunlight through that shadecloth.

Sue your garden looks great. you'll do well on Tuesday I'm sure... unless the refs/judges have been paid like the NRL refs last night (poor Cowboys) but we won't go there will we seeing that half of you are from down south hahahaha. But we Qlders all know there was money involved.

Nev sorry your broms suffered in the wind. I know what you mean about reducing the collection so what you have can be kept maintained. Better to be a smaller well kept collection that too many that you can't keep up. Johnny keeps saying we have too many and I must admit we now have so many broms with pups still attached where we didn't ever have that before. We just don't have enough time to do them while babysitting. Have to keep up with Rylee if she is downstairs so can't get to pups until she's down for her nap. We had visitors to buy plants the other day while Rylee was sleeping and while we were busy Emily potted 3 pups but she refused to use my labels and instead wrote her own. We now have 3 different plants all named Emily (I wrote correct names on back of her labels though and put the previously written label in the pot as well). she did a good job by herself even if she had a few skewers in the pot to hold them uprite. We had another lot come this morning and it turned out we knew them at school so we spent hours chatting about different people we all knew forever. then we were so late (way past 11.30am) getting to the markets no plants left to buy but we got some fruit and veges at great prices. We then went to Masters, Bunnings, local pot place looking for rectangular tray pots and saucers to put multiple pots in. We finally got some at Kmart for ... wait for it ... $2 each. that price included the saucers. wow. They weren't as big as we wanted but 3 pots instead of 4 is better than one. Masters wanted more than that just for the saucers.

so many posts I can never remember which ones I wanted to respond to. love all the picks. we also love the variegated neos ... I think it was Shirley who said that??? We have annik, and a similar one called meyendorfii x sheer delight as well as bevie bee, fireball variegata. I'll attach some of the pics but I'll post this first so I don't lose it. LOL then I'm off to bed as we have the girls again tomorrow.

Wendy
perke_patch

September 16, 2012
5:58 AM

Post #9276475

Pic 1 is bevie bee
Pic 2 is ladd's choice. the main one is so coloured you can hardly see the variegation but the pup on the left just peeping in shows the uncoloured version.
Pic 3 is a mini called melissa (it wasn't doing well at all till I put it in a pot with another mini that wasn't doing good either. now they are both clumping nicely.
pic 4 in variegated rosy fireball
Pic 5 is a NOID variegated one

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 16, 2012
2:07 PM

Post #9276846

Good morning. Its monday and the last day before judging. The lawns are mowed, the gardens are mulched and all is well with the world...oh my aching back! heh heh. I am never gardening again! It can all turn into a jungle now!
Karen, you are more than welcome to drop in if you manage to get down and visit your sister. I love having visitors. Your NOID Neo looks alot like mine, and i wouldn't be surprised if they are the same. Mine just get alot of sunlight.
Nev, although your decision might seem heart breaking to some, it is a wise thing you do. I have seen way too many collections that have grown too big, and require so much work that the collector becomes depressed and the plants neglected. Much better to have a happy collector and healthy plants! Its a bit like cleaning out cupboards, and once you have got rid of the unwanted items, imagine how much room there will be?
As for the Ursulaea, mine are still about 3'' or less, across. How on earth did Jen get hers to 3'? I have one I bought about 3 years ago, and it is around the three foot size, but it was big when I got it. I will pot the little seedlings into individual pots this spring and se how they grow.
I also got an Aechmea pectinata some time ago, and I had it in quite bright light, but saw one grown in shade and moved mine to semi shade. It has been sulking for nearly two years, despite being in the ground. I wish it WOULD get as large as yours, Nev. I seem to be showing photos to alot of my broms lately, so they can see what they are supposed to do.
I love all the recurvata photos, and the wise monkeys are too cute!
Ian, your landscape plan sounds good! I like that idea. It sounds as though you have alot to keep you occupied with the cataloguing and moving the plants about. I am forever moving things and start to lose track at times. you know you have one, but just can't remember where you put it! I also have that 'hereafter' problem.
Shirley, are you ok? No plants? Quick, someone take her temperature. We could do with some rain too. but not too much at once, eh? I noticed the 'next photo' option the other day, and it is good, but then its a bit time consuming going back three to five times to get back to the original post. Is anyone in DG listening? Can you fix that?
Trish, it sounds as though you must spend all week working, and obviously are pining for a weekend in the garden. I am glad you finally got the time. Your shaded patio looks just the thing for the vrieseas.
i like your puppins. We have two also, mother and son, 8 and 6, staffies. Lots of fun and very good in the garden. Shade house has always been out of bounds, and they usually respect that.
I'm picking asparagus this year too! I grew it from seed about 4 years ago. It never makes it to the table, as i eat it straight out of the garden. Yummmm! Much tenderer and sweeter than supermarket asparagus.
Your small Vriesea gigantea, will not stay small! Its a slow one, but should get quite large. Even more impressive then.
Bree, your dog looks like a giant! Great Dane? It looks very regal in that pose.
Wendy, your pots sound like a bargain. I might have to do a drive to kmart and see if we have anything here? I imagine they are the trough type? is that what you have, or is it three pots in one saucer?
well, time to get up and go water the bunker and bits of new lawn. Think i'll take coffee with me and enjoy the morning sun.
Toodle-oo
Sue

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perke_patch

September 16, 2012
7:49 PM

Post #9277222

Hi Sue. yes you were right they are the trough type pots but for $2 with a saucer it was a real bargain. as I said masters wanted more than that for the same saucer on it's own. the trough was $7. yes the exact same one.

your garden looks lovely Sue. I'm sure you'll do well tomorrow. hope you get just a brief shower to wash the dust off tonight but not too much rain to make it all wet and squishy for the judges to walk round tomorrow. good luck and we'll be waiting for an update tomorrow after they've been.

a bit of cloud building out to the west so hopefully we might get a shower today. the tanks are already down just over 1 rung so we did splash a bit of water around already. between the extended dry and the strong winds we've had everything was so dried out. I had to even put the lids back on the seedlings as they were drying out too much. I was watering them every day but they love the fresh air and morning sunshine. I'll take some pics again today to show Nev the seedlings he's sent me so he can see their progress.

I'm off now to get some potting done while Rylee is having a sleep. I can hear her having a bit of a sing song in there but not sleeping yet.

Talk later tonight.
Wendy
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 16, 2012
10:43 PM

Post #9277394

Hi everyone,

I have a pretty busy day ahead of me today with appointments everywhere so not much time here this morning.

Bree – Although you say the plant in the pic is large, what is the actual width across the overall plant?

Neo's classed as large area can go any where up to 3 feet across, and this is an area where I think the BCR and FCBS Photo Index both fall down, they show the pic's but don't give any sizes. I think Ian's idea of the 1” wire mesh behind the plant to give an idea of size is a great idea but it does detract from the pic of the actual plant. I think it's easy enough to say the plant has a diameter of “such and such” and a height of “so and so” and that way when viewing the FCBS and BCR sites everyone would know exactly what they are looking at; at present the picture alone just tells half of the story.

I love the pic of your “not so little” dog, and looking at the nice shiny coat he/she looks to be in great condition.

Ian – More great pic's, I really like the little NOID in pic 3, it could be one called Neo 'Red Tips' although it's hard to say as it's extremely variable grown in differing degrees of light.

Trish – More pic's of well grown plants, however the asparagus is what really catches my eye as it's my favourite veg. The hibiscus is nice also.

Wendy – I have to agree with you about the footy on Tuesday night, the Cowboys “got robbed” but then Manly (the NSW Manly) always seem to be able to intimidate the ref's in every game they play. They say down here that everyone has two teams they barrack for, their own team and which ever team is playing against Manly.

Anyway, back to brom's; Nice pic's of your minis, I have 1,2 and 4 although we can't get the colour in them down here as you can up north. Melissa could be worth trying as a parent for breeding variegated minis as the fine variegations are often a sign of a plant that transmits the variegations to its offspring...Time's caught up with me so I'll have to finish this when I get home later.

Well I'm back home again after all the appointments and can finally finish off this post. I've got my fingers crossed as I can hear a bit of thunder and they have foecast rain so maybe they have got it right at last, I hope so.

Sue – First of all let me wish you good luck for tomorrow and let me also say that with all of the work you've put in you certainly deserve a prize.

That's fantastic colour in your last pic, but then I'm a through and through Neo fancier so what would you expect?

I'll finish with a four pic's of a seedling I made by crossing Ae Caudata onto Ae Recurvata. The Ae Recurvata influence is very strong and until it flowered it just looked like any other recurvata and was destined for the green bin as I have a yard full already.

It wasn't until it flowered and I looked more closely at it yesterday, that I notice the difference in the flower colour which is pale apricot and quite different to the normal recurvata flowers so it looks like it will get a reprieve after all. In the close-up in pic 4 you can see one of my spider friends just below the bottom two flowers. They are non-venomous to humans so consequently I never spray them, preferring to let them eat the bugs in preference to me spraying toxic poisons all over the place. Finally for all you dog lovers, a pic of my little mate of seventeen years, “Clyde”. He's seen here sleeping on his old chair beside me when I was on the computer. Sadly we lost him to a stroke just recently.

All the best, Nev.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 17, 2012
2:10 AM

Post #9277422

good evening. Just dropping in now, because I might get busy in the morning doing a last stick and dog doo pick-up.
We have had rain since about 4.30 this afternoon. nice steady drops, not too light, not too hard! lets hope it stays that way. i just heard the news and they are talking big thunder storms, hail and flash flooding. Gawd i hope they are wrong!
The judges should be around after 9.30 tomorrow, all going well, and the steward will give me a ring when they are ten minutes away so I can go walk the dogs while they do their thing. if they want to talk to me, they will ring me on my mobile and I'll come back, so I don't intend on doing the three km walk, or they might have to wait awhile! heh heh
Wendy, I will definitely go see if i can get some of those troughs. they are great for minis and fireballs.
Nev, I like your recurvata cross. I have one called covata too, which i think is also reurvata x caudata? I will have to look that up. I might be mixed up with Comata? oh, maybe i should go check my facts first.
Anyway, i will let you all know how things go. I'm not sure when the results will be known. So, enjoy your day tomorrow and keep on posting nice pics!
Sue
photo one is N. correia-araujoi
photo two is N. 'Furnace'
I will have to look again at the label on photo three, 'cause I forgot the name
Photo four is Alcantarea brasiliana (AKA imperialis green) just coming into flower. (yay)

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ianperry

September 17, 2012
3:38 AM

Post #9277441

Hi all, a bit late tonight, had a day at work then into more work catching up with my plants. A couple are in the green waste bin, not worth working on with too much flyspeck and the plants are very common here. There will be more to follow for the same reason. 1 i am trying cutting off the top and replant the root system, just to see what happens.This is a bil noid, another experiment.I can see tiny pups on the root system , have planted it and am keeping it in semi shade.
Have a good one
ian
pic 1 N mini Tiger cub grown in shade
pic 2 Tigerina
pic 3 crouching tiger
pic 4 tiger too
pic 5 blushing tiger

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brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

September 17, 2012
4:00 AM

Post #9277449

All the best for tomorrow Sue. Your garden looks great and I'm sure the judges will love it. Hope the storms can hold off for another day. Can't wait to read about how it went. The colours in your Neos are lovely and I'm looking forward to seeing your Alcant brasiliana in real life.
Nev, hope all your appointments went well. I love your Aechmea. The baby recurvatas that I got from you are just starting to flower and it's exciting watching the colours develop. Ray's favourite is Ae. Blush that came from Sue but is it one of yours originally? Reducing your collection to a manageable size is painful but realistic. I've been busy doing exactly the same thing. Anything that is just sitting around looking straggly is going. My aim is to to have less but grow everything as well as I can. Someone said it's easy to grow broms but growing them well is much harder. Aint that the truth.
Hope you're not too exhausted from all the babysitting Wendy. It must have taken ages to water all your broms. I almost got excited tonight when there was a bit of thunder but no rain again! The photos of all your variegated Neos look great.
Ian, you've been posting some top photos. Looks like you have a very extensive collection with a wide variety. Your Billbergia tigrina horrida is very interesting. Love the flowers. Billbergias are my main addiction at the moment.
Trish, you have some very nice Vrieseas. Bet they love that area. The asparagus is amazing. And I love your little dogs.
Bree, Jean and Colleen your collections are certainly expanding. You have some lovely broms. Hope I haven't missed anyone. Wow, there are so many people in here now it feels a bit like writing the next chapter of War and Peace. It will be interesting to see how the photos go. 3. is my Ursulaea macvaughii seedling from Nev for Nev and Sue with my big fat feet for size comparison. 1. is Ae. recurvata Blush from Sue. 4. is my favourite atm, Vriesea Snows of MK x Red Chestnut from Alan Pythian. 2. is Aechmea ramosa festiva flowering now. 5 is Snows of MK F2. Night all. Jen

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works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 17, 2012
5:15 AM

Post #9277492

Hi all, no rain here as yet. It looked promising this arvo but didn’t happen. Everything is very dry in the garden and the grass crunches underfoot.

Wow Trish, you have some lovely vrieseas there. Love your neo Sheer Joy, your Little Helper Lucy and your girl Lexi. I’ll have to find a pic of our boy, Rebel.

Bree, I love big dogs and yours is BIG.

Ian, that noid mini in your third pic is a beauty and so is neo Pitch Black. The one with the orange centre could be neo Tangerine.

Wendy, those are very pretty minis in your pics.

Sue, to save going back 4 or 5 times to get back to the post ... when you get to the last photo, go ‘next photo’ once more and it takes you back to the first one which says on the left ‘back to post’ … works4me anyway. Best of luck for tomorrow.

Bye for now, Shirley

Pic 1 is a large neo NOID Pic 2 is our baby boy, Rebel (he is 7 years old)

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brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

September 17, 2012
3:25 PM

Post #9278091

Oops sorry Shirley, knew I'd miss someone. I loved the photo of your shadehouse. Everything looks so neat, healthy and organised with the same colour pots. Very impressive. Seeing as everyone is posting dog photos, here's one of our dog Bucky who's about 11 now. 2. is a recent acquisition, Tillandsia deppeana. 3. is my favourite tiger for Ian, Groves Red Tiger. 4. is Neo Pink Tiger. 5. is Neo Mactiger, Macho x Tiger. Fingers and eyes crossed, Sue. Have a good day everyone. Jen

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 18, 2012
1:03 AM

Post #9278513

Hi everyone,

I didn't make it here this morning as I had a few other things to do in preparation for the de-brief of our recent show. Wow! what a day; started at 9.00 and didn't finish until 3.45, but very worthwhile and a lot of good suggestions about how we can improve for next year came out of it.

Sue – You're very lucky to be getting a bit of rain, I wish we could get some instead of the thundery noise followed by nothing but promises. Did you get any hail today and did it interfere with your Garden Competition? That's a particularly nice clone of Neo correia-araujoi you have there; I have a nice plant also but it doesn't have anywhere near the colour of yours, now maybe it's a clonal thing or maybe a climate thing, all I know is I wish mine was as.nice as yours. One more thing while I'm discussing that plant, can anyone explain the correct pronunciation of that bl..dy name?

Ian – That's a good variety of “Tigers” you have there, I have found that down here they need very good light to bring out maximum colour.

Jen – Nice to see you back posting once again I hope you've completely got over that nasty bug you had. It's gone the rounds down here as well and now my wife's off the air with it.

As for your Ae Blush, no it's not one of mine, I just have one called Recurvata 'Blushing Pineapple' (unregistered). There was one called Ae. Blush (Unregistered) which I think came from Allan Ladd or Ross Little at Pine Grove Nursery. However there is only one registered and all the details can be found at:
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=AECHMEA&id=10433#10433

Your Ramosa Festiva is different clone to the one I have as mine is much shorter and squatter (see Pic Sept 15 which I wrongly named as 'Formosa Festiva') The inflorescence on yours is a beautiful colour. And your Ursulaea is a “giant”; come on tell us the secret feeding formula.

Bucky is another dog who looks like he's also “in a good paddock”. It seems like all of our brom growers know how to care for their animals.

Shirley – Your NOID could be one of the many forms of Neo. Cruenta, I like the great colour on the leaf tips. What can I say about Rebel, he looks like he hasn't a care in the world and judging by his nice coat, is getting very well looked after.

Best wishes to anyone who's still on the sick list, and get well soon.

Today's pic's are more from the show.

All the best, Nev

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 18, 2012
1:52 AM

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good evening all.
Well, 14mm overnight last night, which left the yard all fresh and green this morning. It was also overcast, which was great for getting photos, although I posted them on facebook this time. Its been thundering, lightening and hosing down for about an hour now, but no hail as yet, and not too much wind.
The judges came an hour early this morning, but I had got up extra early and was all ready when I got the call that they were on the way. I went to the neighbours to water their plants while the judges were here, ...all of 15 minutes!I can't work out how thy got around and had a good look at everything in such a short time. Hubby says they must have taken one look and decided we were the winners! Guess we'll know in a couple of days. the prize giving is on friday night. Anyway, I am glad its all over and life can go back to the normal pottering, instead of labouring! This weekend is my plant sale, so not too much time to sit on my hands just yet.
Thanks for the well wishes all. Jen, that A. 'Blush' came from Sundown Creek Nursery/Neil Miskin, but I'm not sure where he got it. Yours looks great and you must have it in a bit more light than mine. I can't believe how big your Ursulaea is! I thought you had made a mistake when you said it was nearly a metre across. Mine are hardly any bigger than when I got them!
I love your N. 'Groves Red Tiger' meeee-oooow.
Shirley, thanks for the tips. I hadn't tried that, but I will once I have posted. I love your big dog, Rebel. I used to have a labrador called Rebel when I was a teen. Your Noid looks a little like N 'Red Gold'
Nev, that N. correia-araujoi (I say it core-ee-a arrow-joy) is one of Leisas, and I thought it was N. 'Cockabell' until I read the label. There is another with the same label, but not nearly as well coloured. I checked the label on the little red Neo seedling in one of my previous posts, and it has 2 x BB x 2 x DL, if that helps? Its one of yours.
Lovely pics you have there, so I'm off to have a better look at them and try out the new 'next photo' options.
Sue

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perke_patch

September 18, 2012
3:16 AM

Post #9278542

Hi all
My dg has been freezing up all the time and did again last night hence I turned off and went to bed. I've been on every night but nights I haven't posted it's because of freezing and losing what I've typed not because I'm not here.
Shirley thanks for the info on next photo. I'd been thinking they needed a button to scroll through multiple pics without having to go back and forth but never noticed either of those links on top of the photo. well done to DG and thanks to you Shirley for the heads up.
We had a bit of rain last night and a bit more today but not enough to fill the tanks so I'm glad we bought water in.
I took some pics today of my Ursulaea today but it is only about 30cm across not a metre. it is really starting to grow now so maybe if I repot and feed up it may take off and try to catch up to Jen's hahahaha.
I was only thinking today I must get about 4 pups off our groves red tiger. they are getting big enough to come off now.
Johnny potted up a heap of seedlings today and rearranged the seedling area to give his vrisea seedlings prime position. a tray of the vriseas got a bit overheated in the early morning sun so another sheet of tinted alsonite went up to protect them. I talked him into leaving the shadecloth bit open at the top though and he actually listened to me.
I'm going to post this before it freezes.
perke_patch

September 18, 2012
3:45 AM

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now my pics.
1. is Nev's neo thunderbird x self. I noticed the bright red glow in the centre today as I walked past it Nev but the pic doesn't really capture the bright glow with deeper red around the outside.
2. is my biggest ursulaea mcv... with a pink ruler to show size.
3. is the seedling area getting filled up quickly now that we are potting up from the seedling trays. note the change with the back wall now being tinted alsonite sheeting
4. is a tray of seedling trays to show the size of some of them. some have now been potted up some thinned out. Can't remember what these are but the back 2 on right are the blanchetiana and blanch 'ixora' trays back left is neo aussie dream seedlings (no var visible) and front right is ae heltonii and 2nd from front on left is neo hot gossip.

I just noticed that the last time I took pics of all the seedlings was back in January so a good half year since so I'll take more pics tomorrow and compare their growth (if computer doesn't freeze up but it is behaving tonight so fingers crossed all fixed now)

Wendy

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ianperry

September 18, 2012
4:29 AM

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Hi all, some strange happenings here with seedlings raising themselves out of the pot and falling to the floor below, I suspect that the Sunbirds at work. They nested above this site 2 years ago. 1 tray has shrunk in size, i suspect they may have been eaten, the others are alright. Something is helping me to cull already.
Jen your tigers are to die for, i have never seen them before but I will be looking out for them. I know that mine need more light as a Tiger cub in the mango tree is totally different form the one grown in the shade.
Wendy I just love that thunderbird and the seedling area, mine is still in the thought process.
Nev love the pics, shame I can't read the names of the plants.
Here is a question for those who more than I do. Will orchid scale transfer to broms. My wife Ros is getting interested in orchids and has some with scale on them. I need to treat them in any case but am looking at the possibilities.
I bought a spray bottle 8 litre and am using it with low pressure to water my seedlings, saves filling small containers. just a thought.
Have a good one
ian
pic 1 Bil afterglow
pic 2 Bil super duper grace
Pic 3 Bil Catherine Wilson
Pic 4 Bil Bill Harland
Pic 5 Bil rosea X tim plowman

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 19, 2012
12:12 AM

Post #9279629

Hi everyone,

Still a bit overcast here today with a bit of thunder around but as yet no rain unfortunately

Sue – This is the hardest part of any competition, waiting for the judges decision and I hope in your case they rule in your favour after all of the hard work you've put in. I've heard so many times following a judging of a show, when the judge rules in someone's favour they say oh! he/she is a very good judge; but when they rule in someone else's favour you hear, “oh that judge doesn't know what he/she's talking about”. The fact is you can't please everyone all of the time and in my opinion, just like a football referee, a judge is in a lose lose situation .

#044 is one of a group of 10 different crosses which I was experimenting with using different fertilisers to see which would give the best colour. It was a Painted Lady x ? I had meant to put them in a separate group so I could monitor them but they must have been put back with their other brothers and sisters instead (Another senior's moment!).

I always write the history of the plant on the back of the label and in this case the code 2 x BB / 2 x DL means the particular fertilisers I was trying on that particular plant at that time; which was 2gm of Blood Bone plus 2gm of Dynamic Lifter. Others codes were O+ which means Osmocote Plus, BR. R.F. was Brunnings Rose Food, Hort A.P. was Hortico All Purpose Fertiliser and so on.

Thanks also for the pronunciation of that name which even though you have explained it., I still have trouble getting my tongue around it.

Hopefully the next pic we see from you will be holding the prize winners trophy.

Wendy – Like you I also have trouble with my camera capturing the red colours accurately. That particular batch of Thunderbird x seedlings are mostly coming in various shades of red with the occasional spotted plant just to break the monotony.

Your seedling growing area looks great, but unfortunately, like mine it will soon be full and the ruthless culling has to start.

Ian – You aren't by any chance using rice hulls in your mix are you? One of our local growers tried it once to open up his mix and provide better drainage but all it did was encourage mice and rats who were looking for the odd bit of grain. When it wasn't found they started digging down deeper and successfully "de-potted" several plants.

As for the names on the show plants, I'm still waiting on a list I requested from our exhibition co-ordinator. When I get this I can name the prize winners for you all.

To answer your question about the transfer of scale from orchids to brom's, yes it will transfer and it will transfer from brom's to orchids as well.

They are some nice pic's of Bill's you've posted but Bill. Afterglow would have to be my pick.

Your x Billnelia (Bill Rosea x Ques. Tim Ploughman) sounds an interesting bi-generic, I can't find it as having been registered, have you flowered it yet and if so what were the flowers like?

A big “GET WELL” to anyone who is still on the sick list and get better soon.

A few more pic's from the show to finish with, 1st a nice Neo which I would like to own but unfortunately don't, 2nd Bill Sanderiana which won the open Billbergia section and 3rd ,4th and 5th are of the main display which is very different to previous years.

All the best, Nev.

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ctmorris
barmera
Australia

September 19, 2012
12:25 AM

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Hi everyone. What a lot of beautiful pics. Does my heart good when I see all of them. Thank you. I'm still not 100% but slowly getting there. I'm going to Tai Chi to try to relax all my muscles which have been not letting my poor old bones be where they're supposed to be. I'm also doing a relaxation one as well. All I've got to say about that is my body would be quite easy to hypnotise I think. The lady said, let your left arm relax and feel it get heavy, well I thought that I was going to be lopsided and fall off the chair. I felt really good afterwards though. Might not be able to go next week as the boys are on holidays for the next two weeks and it wouldn't be relaxing to take them with me. lol A few flowers in the SH. a few pics for you to see. Colleen

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ianperry

September 19, 2012
1:47 AM

Post #9279639

Hi all, another fine day here, could do with some rain though. Had a look at past threads this afternoon and read Tash's report on rot and dehydration. I have just been giving my plants a deep watering where I plunge them into a bucket or tub and soak the rootball. I have found that 90% of the potting mix was dry and I mean really dry but the vase was filled with water. After watering I checked the mix and found everything loose so I pushed it down as one would plant a plant, nice and firmly around the edges, only to find half a pot of mix. This I have topped up with scoria. I wonder if the previous mix had broken down as it is organic .Every grower has their favourite mix and it works well for them.
Nev to answer your question, No rice husk just cocopeat and seed raising mix either 50/50 mix or cocopeat on its own. The Bilnea has not as yet flowered, it is approx 1 year old and was hybridised by one of our group members.
I found in a past thread a comment on N Cee Bee and I do not know who the breeder is but I know it is not listed in Margarret Pattersons book " Bromelad Hybrids. for my own satisfaction."
I collected seeds from N mini Tigrina today and planted some Ae Malva seeds also.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 N bevvie
Pic 2 Coolum sands
Pic 3 Dinkum
pic 4 pauciflora X ampullacea tigrina
Pic 5 Zoe

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 19, 2012
2:11 AM

Post #9279643

Hi Everyone!

Just a quick thread tonight as I brought some work home with me to do this evening, but I thought just to keep me sane in between a break here and there I would do a couple of things I enjoy doing which is either brom or pooch related by taking the girls for a walk with hubby.

Luved each and everyone's pics, how fantastic is the obsession we all share lol.

I have some exciting news to tell everyone, I am getting in the mail my first flask of vrieseas this week - yeah! I have prepped by doing a great deal of reading and have purchased what I need for potting them up and what to house them in, so wish me luck. Any words of advice would be appreciated. Hubby has also purchased Envy to use on his flask Orchids which will come in handy for these Broms.

I will see how these go and will possibly look at trying to grow some from seed. At least I can see for myself which way I would like to go.

A big thing for me is time as I only really have the weekend in the garden and mostly all our weekends are spent there (which is not a bad thing) but I have to be realistic and be able to manage what I already have right now which is well under control at the moment as I tend to pot during the week where I can leaving time to tend to all the brom’s out in the garden on weekends. The vrieseas in the entertainment area stay nice and clean so it is just a matter of checking they have enough water and remove the odd old leaf here and there.

Anyway I better hit the road and go for a walk.

Take Care Everyone and Happy Gardening!

Here are a few pics:

Pic 1 - Meyendorffi Orange
Pic 2 - Neo' Black Beauty
Pic 3 - Neo' Camelot
Pic 4 - Neo' NOID - Any idea's what this one is called? Maybe I should call it Beautiful Pink Trish lol
Pic 5 - Neo' Sweet Dreams





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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 19, 2012
3:42 AM

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Hi everyone, I don’t know what happened to the ‘substantial’ rain we were supposed to get, we got only a couple of very light showers.

Jen, hope you have fully recovered from your bug. Love your Neo MacTiger with its’ nice big teeth.

Nev, with all the fertilizers you tried, was there one that proved to be superior.

Wendy, so many seedlings … you’ll soon need to have brom sales on a weekly basis.

Sue, lucky you to get some good rain. Hope your hubby was right about winning. Anyway, now you can stop stressing even if you don’t get to relax until after your sale … good luck with that too. Those are great looking alcantareas in your garden.

Colleen, good to see you back. Let me know if the tai chi helps with your muscles.

Great photos Trish and Ian.

My photos are 1 neo Pinstripes 2. neo First Prize 3. neo Rosy Morn

Bye for now, Shirley


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perke_patch

September 19, 2012
5:01 AM

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ah have already frozen once and lost my text but not much typed yet. I tried to attach a pic of what I was talking about. I'll post words this time then add pics like last night.

Hi everyone. Ian I love your billbergia afterglow. nice colour. I have the other bills you showed but that bill x ques sounds interesting. I have ques lieboniana flowering atm ... I might have to try crossing it onto a billbergia.
Nev I showed Johnny your thunderbird x self today and he said he hopes we can make some nice ones like that. I also took some follow up shots of your other seedlings you sent me but I haven' uploaded them yet. Don't even know where the camera is. Ill have to check now though in case it is down the yard somewhere. I remember taking pics down there but don't remember what I did after that.

I reduced the number of seedlings today. I received some seed from Miguel in NQ and in exchange sent him some seed and a handfull of ae haltonii seedlings. I have a tray of them potted up and still needed to thin out the tray of seedlings so offered him some and he accepted. there was about 12-15 in the bundle I sent him. so that's 2 trays of 6inch pots in the future right???? I am sad to say the seedling area is full now. Johnny potted up even more vrisea seedlings today and some neo hot gossip seedlings that were showng some nice shades of red. I couldn't find room to put something I potted in there today. I had to use the end of the vrisea shelf.

Shirley next time you come over I'll give you some seed to try if you like. also some seedlings if you want some. I think I have some to spare hahahaha. I think I still owe you $10 also. Can't remember fixing that last time you were here. We picked upsome more steel today to make more of those totem rings. We're going to try making up a free standing one to see if it will sell. Shirley you need some totems for your shadehouse for when the boxes get full and you need to go up to another layer.

Trish I was going to try a flask of seedlings but I was told they are touchy when you first expose them to the germy outside environment unless you have the right sterile environment for them, so I tried some of their potted seedlings instead. I bought 4 x 4inch pot sized till utriculata. I read all their info and it says to keep them nice and damp until they harden up. so they are in the seedling area. you can see them in the pic in the brown trough on the shelf. Let me know how your flask goes. if my utriculatas survive I might try some smaller ones next time.

I'm off to bed now before we freez up again.

night all
Wendy
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perke_patch

September 19, 2012
5:08 AM

Post #9279720

I've lost my message twice already tonight so I am going to give up this time if it freezes again.
just noticed my last post is there. it must have posted it after it froze but I didn't hit send I don't think I did.

haha I've worked it out. post often and keep editing to add more. yehhhhhh. not just a blonde am I????

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 19, 2012
8:56 PM

Post #9280692

good afternoon,
sitting here, looking out over the tidy garden, thinking, 'what is there to do?' heh heh. Sit back, relax and enjoy it, thats what!
Geeze Wendy, sounds like you need to defrag, clean up, debug, or get a newer computer! what a pain it must be!The editing thing sounds like the go, but don't forget to delete the last 'this post was edited' as well. Lots of seedlings coming out your ears eh? Did i send you Till. utriculata seed? I sowed some awhile ago, and have little green plants happening, and the last adult plant has quite a few pods on it, but not ready to pop yet. If anyone would like to have a go with them (they don't pup so you have to grow from seed)I'm happy to send some your way when they are ready. I use a piece of styrofoam, with coconut fibre attached with fishing line, then wipe the seeds onto it, mist it daily in the morning (so it has dried by night fall) then hang it up in a shaded, airy spot. It seems to work well, and doesn't take up nearly as much room as trays.
Nev, thanks for explaining that label for me. i couldn't for the life of me think of any Neos with their names abbreviated to bb or dl. its only a fairly small plant so i wonder what it could have been crossed with?
As for the garden judging, I had some feedback this morning, all good, and news that there were some very beautiful entries this year, and I am not so conceited to think that i am the only one putting in the effort, so I am prepared to accept defeat if thats the case. The most important thing is that i finally got the work done, and in record time, and now don't need to do much except maintain it for now, and that I am sitting back and enjoying it more than I ever have.
We had another 20mm of rain on tuesday night, so it has gone a long way towards topping up the tanks, and the garden and lawns are showing their appreciation by looking lush.
Hi Colleen, nice to hear from you. the flowering broms look lovely, isn't it a nice time of year for the Aechmeas? Your thai Chi sounds like its doing the trick. i hope you get some relaxation while the boys are home on holidays. maybe you could get them involved in a massage course! heh heh.
Ian, N. 'Cee Bee' is from cheryl Basic (CB) who is down toward brisbane. I haven't had the pleasure of visiting their nursery (i think it was called 'Wildfire nursery'?) i am enjoying seeing all the weird and wonderful broms you have.
Hello trish, where did you get your vriesea flask from? Are they foliage or green leaved plants? i would say to keep them in high humidity for the first instance after deflasking, but they should come with instructions anyway. Then treat them as any other seedling. You will suffer some losses , no doubt, but that also happens when growing from seed, and often can't be helped. I had intentons of buying flasked orchids in bali, last year, but they only had large flasks with large numbers of the same variety available, and I was hoping for the smaller flasks, and to be able to get a wider range. i think the time of the year was wrong for me. i will have a better look at N. 'beautiful pink Trish' in a moment. It has great colour.
Shirley, i love your N 'Rosey Morn'. I was thinking that might be what Trish's NOID is, but need to have a better look. N. 'First prize' variegata has had a name change to N. 'Gold medal' and is also a favourite of mine as is N. 'Pinstripes'. I am very pleased with my Alcantareas, as i firt thought they would take up to ten years to get large and flower, but now i know, with good soil and fertiliser, it is much quicker. From a grass pup, in four years, you can get a pretty large landscape plant.
so, photo today is right here, right now.
Sue

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springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

September 19, 2012
10:51 PM

Post #9280735

Hi everyone,
I have a few spare minutes so thought I would try to write a reply on here :) Of course... usually then those minutes I had spare vanish and I don't get to finish writing... so I better get my fingers moving quick smart.
First of all, I love love loveeee everyones photos, and must agree with something Trish wrote "how fantastic is the obsession we all share lol." Yes it is an amazing obsession that gives us all so much enjoyment.
Nev, sorry to hear you are downsizing but I do 'hear' what you are saying, and agree with peoples comments about it's nicer to have a smaller collection you can manage, than a bigger one that is out of your control. So whatever you are comfortable with, is what you need to do. We have cleared out quite a few broms in the last few months, mainly NOID's and things that are not our "cup of tea" anymore. Our taste has obviously changed and evolved since we first started collecting, lol. I remember a little over 12 months ago never thinking I would ever get rid of a brom, I wanted everything, but as time has gone by I have worked out what I really like and what I don't like as much and with limited space... it means I can't have everything, and that's ok.
Especially at this time of year (approaching Summer) it becomes problematic as up here, basically nothing handles full sun in Summer. A few things get left to cope with it, but they do suffer burn and bleach badly, so anything nice, really has to be under shade cloth. Last year we had a fair bit of burn, this year we are hoping to organise and arrange things better. We picked up a whole roll of Shade cloth today, only green, not beige, but it's for toppers in the gardens in amoung palms and other plants, so green will blend in better. We will also have to start watching the brom house for needing to put up the additional topper. I have recently moved a few Neo's that were against the cloth on the side that gets the morning sun as they have burnt tips and it does detract from the look of them, and that's through 70% beige cloth.
Wendy your seedlings are looking great, is lack of room such a pain in the behind?
Sue fingers crossed you have done well in the competition, your Facebook book album is just fantastic.
Ian, Collen, Jen and Bree, love all the photos you put up
Shirley, boy your collection is growing at a great rate of knots :)
Trish, good luck with the flask, check what your local humidity is like as we got a flask and so did someone else we know and there was no special needs in the deflasking as our humidity up here was around 80% at the time, so no need for a hot house or anyone that, or we would of cooked them. Just rinse thoroughly and pot up as per the instructions, and keep moist after that type thing. But do check what the instructions are and what your weather conditions are like when you do the deflasking :)
I am really sorry if I have missed anyone???
All the photos and post are fanstastic, I do pop in and read fairly regularly, but often I don't have my hands free to type a reply and one finger typing is not my thing, lol. For short replies on FB and places like that it's easy, but for a proper forum reply it's just too slow and too long.
ok what photos can I find???
ok a few things in flower or coming into flower at the moment..
1 Neo Predator
2 Neo MacPasco
3 Neo Mac Tiger
4 Till tricolor

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 20, 2012
12:26 AM

Post #9280755

wow i can't keep up with everyones posts and fantastic broms. Esp. love Mactiger, Neo Pink Tiger and First Prize!
Yes sue my dogs a great dane, Shirley what sort of dog is yours? looks big also
Gympies Delight

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 20, 2012
2:01 AM

Post #9280763

Hi everyone, isn’t it getting hot and still no rain here.

Wendy, yes please, I would love some seed to try and also some seedlings too. You remember those 3 little seedlings you were going to throw in the bin and I took home. I must take a photo of them, they are so very different. Two are small and purplish, the third is large and predominantly green at the moment but starting to get some pretty purple splotching. We have a very busy weekend coming up so I probably won’t get around to it till next week ... watch this space.

Sue, sounds like a plan … sit back, relax and enjoy, you deserve it. Thanks for the info on the name change for neo First Prize. I thought it would take much longer than 4 years for an alcantarea to grow from a grass pup to a large landscape plant … please tell me your secret. And that’s a pretty good looking lunch too.

Tash, I am still at that “I want everything” stage with the broms and yes, my collection is growing at a great rate of knots. We are already extending the new shadehouse. Hopefully, I will reach the point where I become a little more selective … but that could take a while. Of course, I do see quite a few that I would really love to buy but are way out of our price range … maybe one day!!

Bree, nice neo your Gympie Delight. Our dog is a Ridgeback cross … not sure what with but possibly a mastiff judging by his size, but he is the biggest sook.

Photos are 1 neo Macho 2 neo Red Macaw. These were taken a couple of days ago … check out the grass, not much green bits at the moment.

Anyway, as I said, busy weekend coming up so I might be MIA for a few days. Bye for now.

Shirley

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ianperry

September 20, 2012
3:48 AM

Post #9280788

Hi all,I think I am going to have a very busy week-end and will not be home. It is geting very dry here and I have to water seedlings daily, well some of them anyway. The ones that absconded to the floor looked like maybe i ought to plant them, so I did. Still refusing to cull. Collected some more seed and cleaned it ready for sewing. I find dry seed easier to scatter in the trays although I still sew too much. I am learning, forever learning. I have been looking at Red macaw and Correa-arrajoi side by side and they look very similar. I am trying a bir more light to get them to colour up then will post them side by side. They are of different ages. I have a heap of photos lost in my computer, maybe one day I will find them and save them into their correct locations.
Back to the littlies tonight.
Have a good one
ian
Pic 1 Ae noid still in seedling tray Just took lid off tonight
Pic 2 Ae noid potted in 1.5" pots
Pic 3 Portea seedlings
Pic 4 Alacantrea regina-alba seedlings
Pic 5 Acanthrostaccys strobilla seedlings in1.5"pots are chasing the light.It started with these.

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ianperry

September 20, 2012
4:00 AM

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I will try No 5 again

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ctmorris
barmera
Australia

September 20, 2012
4:10 AM

Post #9280798

Caw blimey!!!!!! Ian. your first lot of seedlings are about the same size as mine, the only difference is I BL---- planted mine about a year ago and your's were planted a month ago. My seedlings are verrrrry slow but on the bright side they are still alive. One consolation is I dont have to repot yet. Hope everyone is well. Colleen

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 20, 2012
2:59 PM

Post #9281372

Hi everyone – Another fine day here today just like yesterday. I spent a good part of yesterday potting up pups I had swapped with another grower and then decided to clean up the garage which also acts as my potting shed. I can almost get the car in there now but not quite.

Once again a nice lot of pic's posted and it's good to see Colleen posting again also.

Something a little different today, and as a follow-up of my explanation to Sue about what the code letters on the name label meant, let me share my simple "tried and tested" system with you all.

How many times have you looked at a plant that was growing particularly well, and better than its neighbours and wondered what you had done to make its performance different to the other plants... or you have had a plant which had rotted and died and you were trying to remember where it came from so you could get another. The answer to these questions is simply with keeping accurate records; something which is a very important part of brom growing but something a lot of us never do.

When I first started into brom's I used to keep any important info in a note book; the trouble was the notebook was always in the house when I was out in the yard so consequently a lot of these entries were never written in the book. Finally it dawned on me it was much simpler to carry a marking pen at all times and write (in code) important info on the back of the name label if required. This system then expanded to where I would use the back of the label to record the plant's history, a move I've never regretted.

When I first pot up a plant and write a name label, I now always include some basic history about the plant in a simple code (purely to save space on the back of the label)

It starts with the size of the plant when potted, either P (pup) Pl (plant) M (mother). This is followed by the month and the year it is potted; for instance if I was potting now it would be 09/2012.

Next I record the type and quantity (if any) of fertiliser I use. First I write a number, (which stands for the amount in grams) then a code for the type of fertiliser, e.g. 5 x O+ stands for 5 gm of “Osmocote Plus” or maybe 5 x BB (5gm of Blood and Bone) and so on.

This is followed by the initials of the person or company from which the plant was obtained e.g. Sue (Our Sue) or P.N. (Pinegrove Nursery). Finally I write what I consider to be relevant info; for example CD (Cold Damage) or if it is a mother plant, 3PT (3 Pups Taken) or any other info you deem necessary. This saves me the trouble of searching for the elusive “notebook” (which is always somewhere else) but more importantly, I can pull out a name tag and in an instant, look at any important info.in relation to that plant's history. The next time I pot that plant, I just write new info on a line below the original entry and that way I have an on-going record of the plant.

It probably sounds complicated but once you get used to it it's very simple and the type of code can be anything as long as you can personally understand it. Finally to give an example of a completed name label;

On the front you have the plant name Neoregelia 'Burning Embers' while on the rear you have the coded history... P / 09 / 2012 / 5xBR R.F. / N.N. / S.B.

At a glance I can see that this was a Pup potted in Sept. 2012. It was fertilised with 5gm of Brunnings Rose Food and was purchased from “Nancy's Nursery” and had some Sun Burn. The beauty of this system is that this info. stays with the plant at all times and is immediately accessible.

I have been using this system for some years now and find it invaluable and I would strongly recommend you all give it a try, you won't be sorry.

Ian – To follow up on your comment about Neo Cee Bee, it is not a registered hybrid so that info. which is often recorded on the Cultivar Register isn't available so I don't know where else you could go to find out.

Shirley – To answer your question about fertilisers, the most important thing I found to improve coloured leaf plants and the promotion of flowers was that the fertiliser used needs to be higher in Potassium than it is in Nitrogen.

If you read the NPK Ratio on the container this info is available and give the ratio of Nitrogen (N), Phosphorous (P) and Potassium (K). The one I've found with the highest Potassium is “Osmocote High K” which (down here at least) is unfortunately only available in 20kg bags. I have found it to be a good product but you would need to share a bag with a few friends to make it affordable. I have in the past also had good results from Brunnings Rose Food although the Potassium (10) is only slightly higher than the Nitrogen (8) but is is much more economical to use and also gives reasonable results.

Tash – Nice to hear from you again (it's time you got off that bl..dy Face Book and came back here) and you really should visit more often even if just to say hello. That's really great colour you're getting in your plants up there in the tropics, really “eye-catching”.

Well I've run out of time and taken up more space on this forum than I'm entitled to so I'll finish up now and just wish you all the best,

Nev.
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 20, 2012
11:46 PM

Post #9281782

Hello all. I have had a buy day again, keeping up appearances in case i win the comp and the garden is open to the public tomorrow. Also, i have been preparing for a plant sale, with an early shopper kick starting the sales this afternoon. noice!
hey Tash, thanks for the well wishes. i can't believe you guys are getting the really hot temps already! Its fairly warm here, for the time of year, but still OK for one layer of cloth. I will put it on in the next few weeks though, as i don't want to leave it and then cop the one hot, dry day we might get! It was overcast most of the day, which was good, as i did a preventative spray using Yates Rose shield yesterday, so I have been able to leave it on for 24 hours, and can wash the cups out tomorrow. I wouldn't normally leave it on if it is sunny. Your photos of the toothy neos are lovely. I am lucky that with the amount of space i have, when my tastes change in broms, i can relegate them into the garden.
Shirley, my lunches lately have been yummo! Ham and salad sandwiches or rolls. i even pick fresh lettuce, rocket, and snow peas from various gardens, including mine.
The Alcants respond very well to liquid fertiliser, like thrive e.t.c, and if you apply it regularly (every fortnight) you will get great results. I stop fertilising around April, then begin again in September.
bree, your gympie delight is cute. i don't think I have one anymore,but i sold a couple of pups on Ebay some time back, and the fetched around$35 each! I felt so guilty, but I had them advertised as small growers, so included a couple of mini fireballs and punctate types as extras. I originally bought mine on Ebay for $12, and it was labelled 'Blushing tiger' but it wasn't. I was happy to have Gympie Delight instead. I've since seen them here and there for $5, and they pup well, so plenty around.
hello colleen, nice plants you have there. i guess the difference in your seed growth, to ians, is the temperature? Have you tried a little bit of fertiliser in the misting bottle, when you water them? It helps to kick them along. Just keep it a weak solution.
Nev, your code system makes alot of sense. i usually have the name and date on the front of the label, and the seller and price i paid on the back. The only other time i wrote on labels was when i potted up Alcantareas, so i could see how fast they grow, but I was repotting them so often, the labels soon filled up. I'm not much of a record keeper. If there was something i really wanted to keep track of, I'd note it, but theres so much to do around here I am always sacrificing something else, and record keeping is easily sacrificed in my book!
Anyway, off to check the mail box, then make an early dinner, then off to the prize giving night. I will catch up again over the weekend no doubt.
Todays visitor to the garden
Sue

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 21, 2012
12:13 AM

Post #9281786

Hi everyone. Nothing of note happening here so I haven't had much to contribute.

Sue, I do love your visitor. The only ones I see these days are road kill.

Bree, how do you tell the difference between Gympie Delight and Blushing Tiger?

There are too many incredibly lovely pics to comment on all, but it is so nice to drool over them.

Karen


ianperry

September 21, 2012
1:12 AM

Post #9281792

Hi all, it is going to be a hectic weekend, going to Huhenden to move my son back to mackay. it is about 800 k each way so a lot of travelling and not much time for Ian. Less even for myy broms but they should be alright as it is only for 2 days. I will be back at work monday.
Nev I wonder if one could go direct to a plant breeder and ask about parentage and maybe some other relevant information, just a thought.
Colleen, Ian gone potty, weally buddy potty,but having fun
Nev, about fertilisers, the group or 1 of it's members buys it in bulk and sells it off to other members, just covering costs. I think any group of locals in an area could do that. How do I know what fertiliser has been used on that plant I bought from a local nursery that got it from a southern supplier and how long ago was it fertilised. Often I don't fertilise for 3 months and then presume the fertiliser has been used up by the plant. I like your tagging system, but how do we stop birds from taking tags. Ought we keep another record somewhere in case of this.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Orthophytum Vagans.
Pic 2 Ae spaeroglossa. It gave me the... so I potted it.
Pic 3 Alacantrea regina alba, yes that is a 25 litre orchid mix bag in front of it.
Pic 4 N noid ? tiger
Pic 5 Ae Fendleri in early stages of flower.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 21, 2012
1:52 PM

Post #9282351

Hi everyone – I guess we are all awaiting the results of Sue's garden in the garden competition with our collective fingers all crossed; good luck Sue.

I know it's not about brom's, but to follow on from the recent Rugby League post when the Qld. Cowboys were cheated out of a win by NSW Manly; anyone who didn't watch Manly play Melbourne last night, you missed a beaut game; Manly got well and truly flogged and one of Melbourne's early tries clearly wasn't a try but was awarded anyway, so I think that's a great “get even” for what happened against Nth Qld.

Sorry about that little outburst and now back to brom's. Colleen, what's the name of the plant in the second picture, it's a “beaut”.

Sue – I like your visitor, we have a couple who regularly visit the Light Railway Museum where I am a member. Our area is bush on two sides and this is where they hang out, but occasionally they will just wander into the machine shop, have a look around and then wander back out again, and they don't seem to be frightened about the fact that people are working in there at the time.

Karen – Although the size and the markings on Blushing tiger and Gympie Delight are very similar, as I see it the main difference lies in the cup colour. Neither of the first two pic's are my plants but I use them to show the difference. Even though Pic 1 is a still a pup and Pic 2 is an adult plant, you can still see the differences in the colour tone in the cup. (That's how I tell them apart anyway).

Ian – Most plant breeders are happy to discus their hybrids with other growers unless it's something "pretty special" and the other grower is a hybridist who is a business rival.

Regarding the fertiliser type on the plant you bought from a nursery; it would be pretty difficult to find out what was used as most of these plants are bought in from somewhere else before on-selling. Sometimes you can see the “prills” in the mix when you are re-potting the plants but not always. My advice would be to take a guess based on the fact that most professional growers and nurserymen/women now use “prill” type fertilisers which last for 3 or 6 months (although there are some which last 12 months). I would wait for 6 months before I feed again, this way you can almost be sure that the initial fertiliser has worn off (just my opinion).

Stopping birds from stealing name tags - I found this to be a big problem which first started when the Bower Birds would come into the yard and steal the blue clothes pegs from the clothes line. My wife decided to change the colour of the pegs and the stealing stopped.

Unfortunately they then decided that the next best thing was the plastic name tags from my brom's. The worst attack I had was when they stole every tag out of all of my Aechmea Orlandianas. As you all know, orlandianas all look the same when not coloured up and so I had to wait almost another year until they coloured up before I could sort out the name mess.

After trying different things, I finally found out that our Bower Birds only like plastic name tags, so now I cut my name tags from old aluminium Venetian blind slats and haven't had a problem since. A word of warning though, some fertilisers and manures will re-act with aluminium and corrode it, so place you tag in the pot where it won't come in contact with these fertilisers. As a “back up” system you could also write out a secondary plastic name tag and push it well down into the pot below the mix where the birds can't get it.

I really like the unorthodox container in your second pic, it really is "making a statement"!

Finally a few pic's to finish with, Pic 1 is Neo. 'Blushing Tiger' (pup), Pic 2 is Neo. 'Gympie Delight', Pic 3 is Neo. 'Blast', Pic 4 is a "scruffy" looking Neo. 'Birdrock' and Pic 5 an "oldie" but a "goodie" Neo. 'Gold Fever'.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 21, 2012
5:55 PM

Post #9282549

Karen- The register says Blushing tiger is larger up to 30cm and is perfecta x Marnier Lapostolle, i dont think mines that big though, i think its redder than Gympies Delight which is pinker.
Gympies delight is smaller being 15-20cm and is Satsuma x Little dazzler. If included pics from the brom register also...

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 22, 2012
2:44 PM

Post #9283266

Hi everyone, well Breeindy anyway; where's everyone gone?

Breeindy - It looks like you solved the problem by giving the size of the plants in your previous post; It was something I could have done if I hadn't been too lazy to walk down the yard with a tape and do some measuring, or looked at the BCR which in this case does give plant sizes which makes it all much easier. Anyway, thanks for sorting that out for us all.

Seeing there's no one to talk to today I'll just post some pic's and go and have breakfast.
These are pic's of a few of my Ae. Orlandianas and I'll ask you to excuse the cobwebs on the plants as I don't spray and prefer to let the spiders eat the bugs rather than contaminate my yard with poisons.

Pic 1 is Orlandiana 'Dark Knight', Pic 2 is Orlandiana 'Stain Glass', Pic 3 is Orlandiana 'Majestic', Pic 4 is Orlandiana 'Touch-a-Pink' and Pic 5 is Orlandiana 'Dark One'.

All the best, Nev.

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brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

September 22, 2012
4:39 PM

Post #9283344

Good morning everyone. Beautiful day here today but we need some rain. Nev, I love your orlandianas. Yours look much better than mine. Mine get lots of brown spots on the white and brown tips. Thanks for the email about the water bed. Best laugh I've had in ages.
Bree and Nev, that was interesting about Gympie Delight and Blushing Tiger. They are very similar. I just find Gympie Delight a bit pinker.
Sue, where are you? We need to hear all the details about the competition. Hope your sale is going well. Only 6 sleeps and I'll see you at Ross's. Can't wait to see your garden. Hope your little visitor is about next weekend.
Ian, I love your photos. You have such a good variety of genera. Just on Neo Cee Bee, Cheryl Basics told us that Margaret Paterson bred it and named it after her. Your seedlings are doing very well. They're a bit addictive. I blame Nev for all this seedling stuff. Long live the hybridizer! I see he's even got you hooked Colleen. Mine are growing at about the same speed as yours.
Speaking of seed growing, yesterday Wendy and I went to the Gold Coast brom meeting where Alan Ladd gave a talk. He's been hybridising for about 40 years and the talk was fantastic but I have to admit his outfit was a bit disconcerting. He wore a pink floral dress with pearls and a pink bag to match. Also a whirligig cap and giant rubber feet. Blue nail polish completed the outfit. I felt very underdressed in jeans and a shirt. There are photos on Facebook.
Shirley, your Neos Red Macaw and Macho look so big and healthy. Tash, I love your plants on Ebay. A friend commented the other day about a gorgeous photo of Skotak's Tiger that she'd seen. It was yours. Well done.
I'm off outside to play with my broms for a while before it gets too hot. The photos are 1. Neo Cee Bee for Ian
2. Micro Guzmania Teresa which is 7 cm across 3. Guz. Luna varieg. 4. Guz. Kay 5. Guz icecream. Happy gardening, Jen.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 22, 2012
5:17 PM

Post #9283386

Bree and Nev. Thank you for describing and showing the differences btwn Gympie Delight and Blushing Tiger. The markings are so much alike I was getting confused. I don't have Gympie Delight but I do have a few Blushing Tigers.

Jen, What a beautiful show of broms you have there. Cee Bee is gorgeous!

Nev, good to see all the Orlandianas. I only have one and won't get anymore as they are too eager to bite the hand that feeds them. Glad you solved the problem the Bower Birds were creating. Amazing birds, those.

Ian, I really like that Orthophytum Vagans, its different. I can't judge from the photo, but is the noid tiger a mini plant? Hope the move goes smoothly for your son (and you too).

Karen

My unnamed tillandsia in flower.




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ianperry

September 23, 2012
3:09 AM

Post #9283667

Hi all I am back from my trip. I am going to take it easy tonight.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 My helper oodie puddy
Pic 2 Oversized Rosella look alike 2 feet across
Pic 3 Red bird
Pic 4 Redbird centre
Pic 5 Red bird base

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 23, 2012
3:45 AM

Post #9283672

good evening all. I got a little bit busy, but here I am.
Well, I got first place in the 'special feature' section, for the laundry tub. i was quite surprised, as i believe there were some elaborate features entered. Also, at the end of the prize giving, I was awarded the Judges choice, which was their favourite thing out of all the gardens. They loved the boat pond and the pelican. So I did very well! I got a trophy and a water painting of Iris to hang onto for three months, and a voucher for the local landscaper and the local nursery. It was quite a surprise, and had alot of fun all around.
So, I had my plant sale on saturday, and had the garden open. I had quite a few people through, and all were up for a chat about broms, shade houses and gardens, so it was a really nice day.
Today we went for a motorcycle ride, and it was a gorgeous day also. I've definitley had my fill of sunshine and fresh air.
Anyway, i'll catch up properly later, as i am tired right now.
It must be the excitement of the weekend.
Sue
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 23, 2012
6:08 PM

Post #9284361

Sue congratulations on your wins. You've put so much work into the gardens there and you well and truly deserve the acclaim. Well done.

Ian, good to see you back safely. Love your little helper there.

Shopping today. Ugh. Can think of heaps I'd rather spend money on than groceries.

Karen
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 24, 2012
1:46 AM

Post #9284544


hello everyone, where are you all? Big weekend?
Hi Karen, I'm with you. I hate grocery shopping, but it has to be done eh? Thank you for the sentiments. Its nice to be able to sit back and enjoy it instead of working away at it so hard. I'll try and keep it tidy though, as I don't want to do the same work over and over. I love your Tillandsia. Did you get it ID'd?
Wow, Jen. Nice colour in your broms! It sounds as though Alan was just as bright and eye catching. I've never met the man, but have seen photos of him at various shows. He must be quite a character! I am looking forward to catching up, and am sure we will give Ross a run for his money in the chatter department! We have a contact for another seller about 20 minutes from Ross,so if you have time, you're welcome to come with us after lunch. It all depends on how long we spend there. Also the footy is on (so I was told) and the nursery owner wants to watch it, so we can't hold the guy up!
Nev, your orlandianas are beautiful. I have a black beauty, a snowflake and Ensign, aswell as a standard orlandiana. I grow them alongside A. fosteriana and bert, because they all look similar.
Ian, what a big weekend you had. I hope it wasn't too hard on you, all that driving. Your son is lucky to have you there to help.
I'm hoping to get a bulk load of brom mix this week. i am going to ask my local landscape supplier to mix it for me, if they will, and then I can put it in the mower trailer (should hold half a cubic metre) and throw a tarp over it before pushing it under the house to stay dry. I'd like to upsize quite a few of the bigger broms, and it gets a bit expensive when using the pre-packaged soils.
I'm off to try Bowen therapy soon, to see if its effective on my aches and pains. I've heard good things about it, so will let you know how it goes.
Anyway, no pics from me, but I might get out and about tomorrow. I know there are a few things beginning to flower, I just have to remember where I saw them!
Sue

bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 24, 2012
3:27 AM

Post #9284571

Hi Everyone!

Apologies it has been a while, had a fair bit on over the weekend. Friday, Saturday and most of Sunday we had things on, come Sunday evening we were pretty much exhausted and I was too tired to hop on the computer. Did manage to temp shade the veggie patch as it is really starting to heat up out there. Also managed to plant out my flask of vriesea seedlings which arrived last Friday, they appear to be doing well so far, cross my fingers they stay that way.

Hi Sue / Tash / Wendy, thanks very much for the advice about the vriesea flask. Sue in response to your question where did I get my flask from, it was from Plant Biotech, I thought I would try tissue culture to see how it goes but also from another supplier I purchased vriesea seeds that should arrive in the mail this week. At least I can say I have given both a try. The tissue culture vrieseas appear to be doing well even though they are only approx. 5cm’s. Sue, you also asked me whether they are foliage or green leaved plants, apologies for sounding dumb but I am not too sure what the difference is, could you please explain? The little seedlings look like little blades of tough grass and very green if that helps lol.

As always I enjoyed looking at each and everyone’s beautiful pictures posted over the last week – amazing. I especially salivated over Jen’s Neo’ Cee Bee (Hi Jen) and I have put this one on my “Really Want List”. Hi Nev, I liked all your pics of the Orlandiana’s, I know they bite but I can’t help but still want them in my garden because they look nice when kept neat and color up real well when exposed to the elements. I have two or three so far in my collection.

Hi Karen, your Till in flower is gorgeous with that beautiful purple flower - my favorite colour.

Hi Ian, luved your pic of your helper Oodie Puddy, what beautiful eyes that look right through you, looks like someone needed a rest while dad slaved away with the broms lol. Ian, also was great to see how all your seedlings are doing, gives me hope with mine.

Hi Sue, HUGE CONGRATULATIONS on the wins, how fantastic and pleased you must be!

Hi Shirley, luved your Neo Red Macaw, mine is small compared to yours so looking forward to see hopefully how much more mine should be expected to grow.

Hi Breeindy, luved you’re Neo Gympie Delight, another one for my “Really Want List”. I have been trying to get this one for a while but keep missing out on EBay as I forget I have on my watch list.

Anyway, better leave you all hear, apologies if I have missed threading anyone, it’s so easy to go a bit cross eyed after a while especially when you have major catching up to do with the forum.

I will try to pop in again over the week as we have visitors this Friday, Saturday and Sunday coming over for my b’day and I may not be in any condition by the end of it all to operate a computer let alone anything else lol.

Anyway, speak soon and happy gardening to all!

Trish :-)

Pic No. 1 - Neo' Blast Off
Pic No. 2 - Neo' Royal Cordovon
Pic No. 3 - Neo' Jolly Roger
Pic No. 4 - Neo' Twotone
Pic No. 5 - Ae' Nudicaulis Zebra

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ianperry

September 24, 2012
4:11 AM

Post #9284588

Hi all, still recovering from the trip but it was worth it. I saw scenes that are new to me. Different types of trees and even some wildlife not commonly seen, like camels and emus in the wild. Pandannas palms grow in the wild way out there and I thought they were coastal only, I guess I can still learn a bit more.
Karen the tiger is approx 2 feet across. I have only had it a few months and maybe it could have used some more light. Vagans is an unusual ortho in that it does not pup except from the base, but I have taken cuttings successfully. It was another i bought from Bunnings.
Jen, I thank Nev for guiding us through this seedling explosion.I have a wish list much larger than my budget, but in time all things are possible.
Nev Beautiful Orliandas. I have been using corflute for my tags since I had trouble with finding an appropriate marker that didn't fade quickly onaluminium narrow venetian blind tags. I used the horticultural pens and pencils, i have since been told that a 3b drawing pencil works well On the corflute I use a felt tipped permanent marker and this works until something knocks the plants over. I now also have photo records but I need to stage these as plants mature. Quite often a juvenile plant barely resembles the adult. This also makes ID difficult..
Sue congrats on your wins, we reap what we sew.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 N Concentrica alba X Maurice Featherstone
Pic 2 N Gespachio
Pic 3 N Ultima
Pic 4 N great oz
Pic 5 N Princeps juvenile

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 24, 2012
5:50 AM

Post #9284653

Hi all, we have been away for a few days. We left Friday morning to visit my sister at Allora as it was her birthday yesterday. We had a lovely weekend and arrived home this arvo. It is so very dry out that way, much worse than here.

Lots of posts and pics to catch up with tonight.

Nev, those are very nice orlandianas in your pics, especially ‘dark knight’

Sue, congratulations, so good to hear of your very deserving wins in the garden comp.

Trish, love your neo Two Tone, that is one to go on the top of my rather lengthy ‘must have’ list along with Jen’s neo Cee Bee, very nice Jen.

Lots of great pics from Bree, Colleen, Ian and Karen too.

Anyway, in need of an early night so I’ll catch up tomorrow. Pic is neo Jaws Too

Shirley



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perke_patch

September 24, 2012
6:43 AM

Post #9284717

Hi everyone. I'll try this tonight and hopefully it will work. I haven't checked in for a few days so lots of reading tonight to catch up.
Sue congratulations on your wins in the comp. wish I was coming with Jen this weekend but alas I can't make it this time.
Nev I love those orlandianas. did you say you grew them from seed? if you ever get any spare pups of those I'd love one of each. I'll send you down a packet of stamps to help with postage as you always seem to be sending me seed or seedlings.
Jen failed to tell me on Saturday that it was her birthday. I didn't see it on fb either so I was a slack friend not wishing her a happy birthday. As Jen said the talk from Alan Ladd was very informative. One thing he said was that variegation is genetic and fertilizer will not affect that. Previously we were told that fertiliser can make variegation disappear. He says hogwash if it's in the gene it is there no matter what you do so now I will fertilise all my seedlings. He also said that plants with irregular variegation is more likely to give you a good % of variegated seedlings. by this he means plants with lots of stripes especially different widths. they can also have albo as long as they have the variegation too. So I will be looking at all striped plants differently now looking for potential seed & pollen parents.
Shirley if you get over this way again we have Gympie delight and I'm sure I can spare a pup. I'll check how many I have tomorrow but there must be pups on them by now. I should have cee bee here somewhere too but finding it might be a feat. I had a visitor here on Saturday and he wanted particular plants by name. I found a couple of them but I know the others were here somewhere but I just couldn't find them on demand.
Nev we record info on our labels but now as much as you. we do write the plant name on both sides but at different ends of the label ie one on the tip so it is way down under the soild and doesn't fade. we have had too many plants with blank labels. for the foliage vriseas we also write a couple of labels and push one write down inside the pot. you can't trust visitors to put the labels back in the correct pot so we have a backup label. when we bought our dymo labeller we also did lables and stuck them on the outside of the pots so they can read the name at a glance.

too late for pics tonight so I'll pop in again tomorrow night and post some updates pics I've taken of the seedlings Nev sent me.
Night all
wendy

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 24, 2012
2:18 PM

Post #9285178

Trish- i could send you a Gympies Delight if you like.
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 24, 2012
3:00 PM

Post #9285235

Hi everyone – Well I suppose we'll all have to get in a very long queue to even talk to you now Sue after your successful venture into the world of competition. However all jokes aside, I always suspected you would win some of the prizes as your garden featured some very interesting elements and like I said way back at the start, I loved your concrete laundry tub and the old hand pump. Anyway, a big congratulations from me; you really deserve it with all of the work you put in. Besides, now that it's over, you can help Bill design the dirt bike track through it all with the bridge as a jump!

Ian – I have never had a problem with the writing fading on aluminium tags. I use a fine over head projection slide marking pen. It is a brand called SNOWMAN (see pic's) which my son gets in Bali and brings me a few when he comes on his annual visit. I haven't seen them here anywhere (but then I havent really looked for them either) but I expect ARTLINE or one of the other brands available here would have something similar. A word of warning though, they will fade if used on plastic name tags; don't ask me why because I don't know. As I said before I only use aluminium tags and they work well on them.

Wendy – No I never said I grew the Ae. Orlandianas from seed. They are just some of the plants I have accumulated over the years and are the ones which the Bower Birds stole the labels from.

You mention that you and Jen heard Allan Ladd speak at a meeting; I have bought plants and seed from Allan on a few occasions mainly because he does crosses which are sometimes quite different from the “norm”. His prices are very reasonable and his plants are good quality, but be warned, he is a bit of a character and as he has previously said, he gets his “kicks” from shocking people. (See pic). He has a very interesting web site which is well worth a look.
It can be found at: http://www.gcsbs.org.au/suppliers/al/index.html

Wendy, I'm always interested in seeing pic's of seedlings and I look forward to you posting them.

That's it for now, I'll finish with some pic's, which although they are not brom's, they are brom associated. First the pens I use for marking my aluminium labels and finally Allan Ladd in his security roll at one of the brom society functions. (note the feet)

All the best, Nev.

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perke_patch

September 25, 2012
1:19 AM

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Hi everyone.
Nev Alan wore those same feet at the meeting last weekend. The pic looks like it might have been taken at the Gold Coast meeting. the hall looks the same. I can't find the pics of Alan doing the talk last weekend. sorry. they were posted on fb but I didn't save a pic.
Nev I don't know why I thought you had grown those orlandianas. maybe because I had never heard of lots of them and you seem to have a good selection. I have some seeds growing atm from rainbow and snowflake so we'll see what we get out of those.

I use aluminium blind strips for labelling seedlings but not other plants. We discovered a bundle of those blinds at the dump shop one day and grabbed them immediately. we are working through them though. I have discovered that even the most obvious seedlings need a nametag as after a couple weeks I can't remember what those seedlings are. I have a tray of them downstairs now and I can't remember what they are. they are not that obvious to me now LOL. so these days I label each and every plant. they may start out a whole tray of the same thing but when a couple die and you remove the pots eventually you can add other pots to fill the tray and next thing you can't remember which is which.

I'll download the pics after tea and post them for you Nev.

Wendy
bromishy
Townsville
Australia

September 25, 2012
3:45 AM

Post #9285688

Hi Everyone!

Quick thread tonight as have a bit to do prior to visitors arriving.

Hi Shirley, nice pic of Neo Jaws Too, I hear these ones grow nice and large. I take it there is a Neo Jaws also? Shirley, glad to hear you like Neo Two Tone, if you like I will keep my eye out for when they pup and send you one if you like, I am not too sure when this will be, more than likely next year but if you can hold out that long let me know and I would be more than happy to put one aside for you?

Hi Breeindy, so very kind of you to offer sending me a Gympie Delight, yes please I would absolutley luv and cherrish one from you. Breeindy, is there anything you have on your Want List? Mostly at the moment I am waiting with baited breath for all my brom's to pup but would be more than happy to reserve one for you. I do have Vriesea seeds coming in the mail this week if you would like some of them I would be more than happy to post to you.

Anyway I have to run, hi to everyone else - look forward to chating with you all soon.

No pics tonight as hubby has my portable harddrive that he has plugged into another laptop.

Happy Gardening!

Trish



breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 25, 2012
4:40 AM

Post #9285713

Nev love your Orlandiana's. I have 3, this is my favourite one..
3rds Treasure Chest, 4ths Luna? 5th Alcantarea.
Trish D-Mail me your address and ill send you a Gympies Delight pup




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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 25, 2012
8:46 PM

Post #9286516

hello everyone, where to start?
Trish, sounds like you've got the little tissue culture plants sorted. By green or foliage, I mean, are the leaves going to stay green, or will it be a plant with decorative foliage, you know? Like stripes or spots? Did they come with a name? Thank you for your kind words about the garden comp. I am glad its over! Just trying to keep it tidy for a few more days Till Jen gets here!
Lovely pics as always, and that goes for Ian too. Ian, I saw a Camel in a paddock the other day and nearly fell off my bike! It belongs to a local man who does camel rides at the weekend, but it was unexpected. I can't say I have seen any Emus since I have been here though.
Thank you Shirley for your kind words. Your Neo 'Jaws Too' looks hungry! heh heh. I hope you have recovered from your busy weekend.
Wendy, sorry you can't make it this weekend, but i guess the silver lining is we won't have to fight you for coveted plants! thanks for the kind words too, and thanks for letting us know it was Jens birthday. Sneaky old chook! heh heh
HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY JEN!
Nev, sorry you had to wait so long in the queue. thanks for your kind words, and yes, someone is getting use from the new bridge, the dogs are loving it and the sound it makes when they race across it.
As for labels, I bought a big box of 90mm ones from the horticultural suppliers, and a garden marker pen from the local new agency, and they do alright or me. I think the label will fade if its getting too much direct sunlight, but facing it inwards helps, or as Wendy does, push it down inside the pot.
Bree, beautiful photos of your plants there, and very generous of you to offer Trish a Gympie delight. Its nice to know we are such a giving bunch!
todays photos are
1 Aechmea 'Pie In The Sky'
2 Aechmea 'Ensign'
3 Aechmea dichlamydea var trinitensis
4 Aechmea 'Pica'
5 xNeomea 'Strawberry'
Sue

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ianperry

September 26, 2012
4:08 AM

Post #9286603

Hi all, just a quick visit tonight. Had a look around, found some to share with you all and watered some more plants. I need to get to my Pitcairnias tomorrow, better make that Thursday, as tomorrow never gets here. ! side of my mango tree died last year, the western side with a few minis mounted on it and now it is greening up giving the minis some protection from the direct sun. Mother nature sure has a way of tricking this person.
The colours are more intense than they appear, maybe just the lighting maybe the photographer.
Have a good one
ian
Pic 1 N Empress var
Pic 2 N Treasure chest
Pic 3 N Carolinea
Pic 4 N Sam smith
Pic 5 N mini Wide world

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perke_patch

September 26, 2012
6:34 AM

Post #9286686

Hi everyone. it's late again so a quick message tonight. we discussed a date for next sale and all agreed on 6 & 7 after Jen gets back from her southern jaunt this weekend. then today we took Max our dog to the vet and found out his persistant cough and runny nose is the result of 2 broken molars ... 1 on each side, with one currently infected. The vet thinks this infection has moved to the nose and hence the cough. So now he is booked for surgery next week which will b about $1,000 so proceeds from our sale will go to the vet. and the vet says at Max's age there is always a possibility he won't make it through the anaesthetic so just another stress for Johnny just when I think he might be on the verge of a flare up. I'm increasing his meds to try to ward off the flare up anyway.

Pic 1 is our beeriana seedlings. I know there has been a name change but I can't remember what it is other than it starts with f ... something like feusten...? (hope I haven't already posted this pic)
Pic 2 is a handful of billbergia hallelujah seedlings. I lucked out finding a ripe pod on one of the bills.
Pic 3 is neo hot gossip seedlings showing some very lovely red coloured stems. of course no variegation but showing some nice promise of colour.
Pic 4 is the portea NOID with orange infloresence. this pic was taken end of August but the seeds were sown in March this year. some quick growing there. we're now regularly foliar spraying so they are really growing on now. we also have rooster booster pellents pushed down in the tubes so double dose of power in these.

I'm off to bed now so enjoy my seedlings and goodnight.

Wendy

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 26, 2012
6:44 AM

Post #9286696

Hi everyone, sorry I didn’t make it back last night so I have a bit of catching up to do.

Wendy, if you come across your neos Gympie Delight and/or Cee Bee, please put one aside for me. I will try to remember to take photos tomorrow of those 3 seedlings you were going to bin and I’ll post them on DG for you to see.

Nev, thank you so much for the brom seed, I finally got to the PO to collect it. Tomorrow I’m off to Bunnings to get everything I need. Thanks also for the link to Allan Ladd’s website … it makes interesting reading. He seems like a bit of a character alright.

Trish, hope you got everything done before your visitors arrived. Yes, there is a neo Jaws, I’ll add a pic of mine (which I got from Wendy a while back). And yes please, I would love a pup of neo Two Tone when the time comes. I should have lots of pups to swap next year too.

Bree, great pictures, love the orlandiana and neo Luna also.

Sue, I haven’t quite recovered from the weekend and seem to be a day behind as well. I was so sure today was Tuesday, oh well, it will be a short week. Love your Aechmeas Pie in the Sky and Pica and Ae Ensign is a favourite of mine too. If you remember, please wish Jen a happy belated birthday from me when you see her.

Ian, your neo Empress is stunning.

Hi to Colleen, Tash and Karen and everyone else looking in.

Well, that’s it for now, pic is neo Jaws for Trish. G‘night, Shirley

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 26, 2012
2:35 PM

Post #9287114

Wendy fingers crossed for Max's operation.
Shirley think i only have one spare Gympies Delight but let me know if you dont get one and you can have the next one.
Whats everyone think of Dyckias? I think there more like a cacti/succulent then a brom. I just have this one..Niederleini.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 26, 2012
2:44 PM

Post #9287123

Hi everyone – Didn't get here yesterday had too much running around to do.

Wendy, sorry to hear about your dog, we had a similar thing happen to one of ours some years back where an infected tooth socket was causing other problems. Once it was cleared up he was a different dog altogether, what a difference. I have a lot of faith in vet's and I'm sure your old dog is in good hands, I think like all professions now they have to always tell you the worst case scenario as you say in Max's case you were told he mightn't make it though the anaesthetic, this is to cover their bum against litigation which everyone's now afraid of.

Some people rave on a bit about the prices that vets charge, but when you think of it they are more skilled than doctors as they have to diagnose without being able to “talk to the patient” and I sometimes think the medication they use is much more effective than what the doctors prescribe for us, especially their arthritis and dermatitis medications and I sometimes wish the vet could treat me.

Well on Tuesday I went and had another cortisone injection in my knee and at last I can walk again without knee pain. I'm “making hay while he sun shines” so to speak as the last injection I had only lasted eight days before it wore off so I'm trying to get a lot of work done with the Neo's before this happens. I have an appointment with a specialist knee surgeon in three week's time and I suspect he will want to put a metal replacement in as the old original bone one is really “buggered” up with arthritis and badly deformed. This has bent the knee outward making my left leg bowed which I feel is all aggravating my back problem, oh isn't it fun to get old, I bloody well think not!

Enough about medical problems and now back to bromeliads. I recently got a pup of Neo 'Brazil' (or as it's sometimes called Braz-el) in a swap from a lady who I swapped a lot of pups with. This morning while looking up the BCR for something else, I stumbled across a very interesting article about this plant which I thought I'd mention in case anyone here is growing it, it is well worth reading and can be found at:
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3324#3324

Breeindy – They are a nice collection of plant pic's you've posted there, your Ae. orlandiana's a “beaut” and I also like the the Neo 'Treasure Chest” also and if you or anyone else here has a spare pup they'd like to swap please D-Mail me. As for your Dyckia, well I stay away from them because of the prickles but I must say they are becoming very popular with some of our local growers.

Sue – Some years ago I tried your trick of turning the labels so they faced in away from the radiation effects of the sun but every time someone came to look at or buy plants they would pull out the labels to read them and then put them back in the wrong pot. I personally favour the “T” type labels as the name can be easily read without having to remove it from the pot, however my Bower Birds like them also and until I can make a similar type out of aluminium blind slats I'll just have to persevere with what I have.

I like your Ae. 'Pie in the Sky'; mine are all out in flower now as well and I often wonder why it isn't grown more widely by other growers as it's an attractive plant even when not flowering, (probably the silly bloody name it was given is a “turn off”). I have Ae 'Pie' also and it has the same type of flower however it just has plain green foliage.

All of the plants you've posted are favourites of mine especially x Neomea Strawberry. (For any new growers x Neomea 'Strawberry' is a bi-generic cross between Neo.Carolinae and Ae Recurvata var. Benrathii)

Ian – More nice plant pic's you've posted, I especially like the Neo Empress var. and the Neo 'Treasure Chest' which I mentioned previously. I must say you are not on your own when trying to get the camera to accurately capture the red tones. I think it was Sue some time back who said that if you hold your hand near the red plant you are photographing and trick the camera into focusing on the skin colour, it often overcomes this problem.

Wendy – Your seedlings are looking good and it wont be long before you're in the same mess with them overtaking everything like mine have. It really is amazing though at all the different colours that can come from a single seed capsule and it really demonstrates who the genes can get all mixed up when we start playing around with Mother Nature's children.

Shirley – Pleased you got your seed OK, now you can join the “Crazy Club” just like the rest of us and really become a chronic “Bromoholic” a disease there is no known cure for; however it can be relieved by continually planting more and more seed. I really like the pic of your Neo 'Jaws' with the ever so subtle hint of pink on the edges of the leaves, it certainly looks to be well grown plant.

Well I guess that's about it for me today and I'll finish with a few file pic's Pic1 is Neo Carolinae x Concentrica, Pic 2 is Neo Concentrica x [Charm x Cracker Jack] Pic 3 is Neo Meyendorffii variegata, Pic 4 is Neo 'George's Prince' (just starting to colour up) and Pic 5 is Nidularium Innocentii 'Orange'

Finally I hope anyone still on the sick list is well and truly on the improve.

All the best, Nev.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 26, 2012
3:12 PM

Post #9287164

Good morning everyone. I had typed a long post but it disappeared before I even sent it. Sulking now. Will just say I enjoyed all the pics and have a few favourites among them. I don't have anything new to show at the moment.

Wendy, I hope Max will get through just fine. I had a very old dog get all his teeth removed and he came through with flying colours. Even more, I hope Johnny doesn't flare up again. Must be very hard on both of you. Hey, you take care too. When is your next sale?

Karen
ianperry

September 27, 2012
3:46 AM

Post #9287625

Hi all, got home from work late today so no garden work, still needs to be done though. Ah a long weekend this week end suits me at the moment, plenty to do. I have been sorting through some photos on my computer, some reasonable but mostly from when I first got the plants. I will be retaking them soon as some are far better now.
I have a few spare Vr Glutinosa pups if anyone would like them.
Bree I like the Dykias, they will suit my desert theme in the front garden. Most of the Orthophytums will also work and maybe the Neophytums as well. They will take a fair bit of sun.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Ae fosters favourite with sunlight from behind
Pic 2 Neophytum Blaze
Pic 3 Nidularium burchellii
Pic 4 Dykia shere delight
Pic 5 Dykia san juan hybrid

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works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 27, 2012
5:42 AM

Post #9287699

Hi everyone,

Wendy, we must have posted at the same time last night. I hope everything goes well with Max’s surgery and hopefully, Johnny will stay well too. Not sure if we will be able to make it over to Wellington Point next week for your sale.

Bree, thanks for the offer of your next neo Gympie Delight pup … I’ll let you know if I manage to get one in the meantime. I don’t have any Dyckias but I have seen a couple that tempted me.

Nev, good to hear your knee is feeling better even if it’s only a temporary fix. And I totally agree that it’s such fun getting old … NOT !!!

Karen, it seems like lots of DG forum members are losing their posts lately. I type mine in Word and cut and paste. I also have two monitors so I can be reading DG on one screen and typing up my post on the second screen … makes it so much easier than trying to remember who said what.

Ian, you do sound like you have a lot of work ahead of you. Good luck with your garden project.

Well, that’s all from me tonight,

Shirley

My pics tonight are 1 neo Muscat, 2 neo Hazel Mac, 3 neo Tangerine, 4 a neo I purchased as Blue Thing


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 27, 2012
1:59 PM

Post #9288158

Hi everyone – Well it's finally happened, rain at last. We had a pretty good thunder storm last night with about an hour of much needed good rain. The down side is (and there's always a down side) it will make everything in the garden wet and not very pleasant for working on the “make-over” today, but then we can't have everything can we?

It seems to be getting a bit quiet again on here, come on girls, let's hear from you all, and a special big “cherrio call” to anyone who's on the sick list; get better soon!

Karen – Sorry to hear you lost your post. It's something that's happened to all of us from time to time and in the end I got so sick of it I now always type my posts up in Microsoft Word and then just cut and paste; that way if D.G. swallows it up (as it often does), you just have to cut and past again and not re-type the whole lot all over.

Ian – I'd like to take you up on your offer of a Vr. Glutinosa pup and if you can just tell me what you would like in exchange we can get something happening.

I think you'll find that your Nid burchellii is now called Canistropsis burchellii. This often happens with species where they get moved from one genera to the other and unless you frequently look at records you miss the change. The only reason I know of this is that I have a plant called Canastropsis burchellii and noticed the similarity with your plant, and when I checked the FCBS that's what it's listed as and there's no listing for a Nidularium of that name.

I like the light effect behind your Foster's Favourite, it looks very effective. I had a very good friend once who grew the best coloured Foster's favourites I have ever seen. He always grew them in subdued light and achieved the most beautiful deep glossy burgundy foliage I have ever seen and when they flowered, the berries were almost iridescent and seemed to glow. I have often tried to replicate his conditions but unfortunately have never succeeded.

Shirley – Two monitors eh? Aren't you a clever little “Vegemite”? Does this make you a “Forumbymonitorologist”? How did you manage to hook all that up together, do you have some sort of double adaptor? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm still coming to terms with the very basics.

I like your Neo Tangerine is it just coming into colour or is that it fully coloured up? I have one and it is still a pup so I haven't seen it in full colour yet. I looked it up on the FCBS and interestingly I see there are two listed under that name; one was hybridised by G. Anderson and one by G. Groves (which is the one I think you have). Strangely I can't see a registration for either on the BCR, so maybe it isn't registered which seems to be the case with so many plants these days. I also have a similar looking plant which is a hybrid of Neo 'Mon Petite' x 'Tangerine' and again it is unregistered but it's such a good grower and an attractive plant it's certainly still worth growing.

Your Neo 'Blue Thing' is another one which isn't registered, although it's not surprising with so many new hybridisers now creating new hybrids and I know of many (and some very big ones) who don't bother to register plants any more. Although it's not blue as the name implies, I like the unusual colouring and the deeper coloured sparse spotting. Is it fully coloured up yet or will it darken a bit more with age? It will be interesting to see as I find it quite unusual and I think you have something a bit different there, lucky you.

Well that's it from me today and once again I'll finish with some pic's of my plants from “old files” as I've been too slack to take any new ones as yet. Pic 1 is Neo 'Sun King' (Red Form), Pic 2 is Canistrum Fosterianum, Pic 3 is Vriesea 'Evita', Pic 4 is Neo. Princeps 'Rainbow' (special Form) and Pic 5 is Neoregelia 'Orange Glow' (NOVAR).

All the best, Nev.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 27, 2012
2:39 PM

Post #9288197

Oh no, it did it again. This time, I know what happened. I had typed most of my post then went in to look closer at Ian's pics. When I came back, my half typed post was gone. So obviously I can't look at photos once I've started typing. Darn! Technology is a grand thing but it does have its inconvenient terms and conditions, doesn't it.

Ian, I am often bedazzled when I see the colour in a brom with the sunlight shining through the leaves, but often the camera doesn't capture the glow very well. You've done a good job capturing that Fosters Favourite.

Shirley, what a funny name, 'Blue Thing', but I like it. Nice assortment of broms there too.

Nev, I love that Neo. Princeps 'Rainbow' (special Form) but am curious about the term "Special Form".

Wendy, I do hope Johnny is OK.

Hello to everyone else popping in. Hope you all have a lovely day.
This is, I think, Ae. Bert in flower for the first time for me. I quite like it but oh horror, a bulb has found its way into the pot and the pot now won't stand up so the plant needs repotting. Now, this baby bites so anyone know where I can get me a pair of chain mail gloves?

Karen

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 27, 2012
8:15 PM

Post #9288449

hello all. I have been reading and enjoying all the pics but feel too tired to respond to everyone right now. Its just past 1pm and its rather hot and windy, so not pleasant to be out in, with gum tree branches hailing down! Might just curl up for a nap. I will try to have proper catch up tomorrow,but just wanted you to know I am still about, and loving all the pics. Sue
ianperry

September 28, 2012
2:11 AM

Post #9288562

Hi all, just did a bit of watering, got to my pitties this time and a touch up for all the others.
Karen Aechmeas bite and leave scars. Sometimes I use welders gloves or fishermans gloves other times I use rose pruning gloves, especially for the tall growing varieties. These I bought at Big W for about $7.oo and they are long,50cm long so they will protect the arms as well. Sometimes I just brave them and get on with the job.
When I took the photo of fosters favourite the sun was low down and almost directly in line with the camera. It could have been a fluke. I want to try something similar with N Pitch Black as i have seen something special with some sun behind it. Thank you for the compliment.
Mebee I should thank everyone for their compliments, Thanks everyone.

Nev I will have to d box you for shipping instructions and an address. I have never tried posting plants before. I did buy some from a nursery and they packed the mini neos in damp paper in a box. But this is the only experience that i have had. Maybe it would be suitable as a topic here as I see a few posting plants to each other.
I would gues that there is a real art in IDing plants. I have printed out a copy of" Bromeliads for dummies" and without flowers I still don't know whether some of my lplants are Neos or Aechmeas. I thought for a while that Aes grew more upright than Neos until I bought Sun king and now I don't know any more. Not that I knew much anyway.
I am looking for a shortcut and there probibly isn't one
I am going to post this before I lose it.
Have a good one.
Ian
ianperry

September 28, 2012
3:48 AM

Post #9288590

Pic 1 Bil NOID
Pic 2 Nidularium microps forma bisence
Pic 3 Crypts under a mandarine tree
Pic 4 Pot of minis
Pic 5 Ae NOID

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perke_patch

September 28, 2012
6:19 AM

Post #9288690

Hi everyone. we've had our grandson Hayden over for a couple days and he likes to use the computer so I have to wait for him to fall asleep to get a turn.

Shirley like you I wrote 27/9/12 on everything today so I'm a day behind too. the days are just flying past aren't they? We started setting up tables today and sorting out plants for our sale. I know there is a week to go but I know what Johnny is like when the pressure is on so we start really early so no pressure. well that is the plan anyway.

Ian your billberbergia NOID looks like it has seeds setting. If any of those wrinkled green bits start puffing up you definately have seed setting. I'm getting quite a bit of billbergia seed now so I'm doing something right. However, I collected seed yesterday that I had crossed pollen onto but I stupidly wrote the cross onto an iceblock stick and the ink just ran over time so now I have a stick with bits of black and red smudges on it. I think it might have been crossed with sanderiana but time will tell I guess. I will take a pic tomorrow of seed on a bill fred red. There are 2 fat pods but one of them is enormous. worth a pic.

Last thing yesterday afternoon I was putting everything away for the night and just about to walk upstairs when something told me to go to vrisea/tillandsia area to check on everything. Well my 6th sense worked again cause there was seed flying everywhere. I discovered 2 tillandsia butzii with seed all over the place, a schiediana minor and a tricholepsis with seed just starting to pop. If I hadn't gone down there it would have all been gone today. I also collected a heap of seed from one of my tillandsia juncea. I've been getting the odd pod popping for a while but the rest all looked like they were starting to split into sections so I collected them all. Shirley let me know if you want to give tillandsias a try and I'll let you have some juncea and probably have some others too. I gave Jen some seed yesterday before she left. Sue she might share some pink nova seed with you. I think I gave her 3 pods so heaps for her. I think 1/3 is enough to do a tray sparsely sown. I am trying to sow them sparely now so I don't have to thin out so much. Better to sow 4 sparely sown trays a month apart than 2 overly full trays which need thinning.

Bree I haven't been tempted by dykias yet. I like them but with those spikes I don't think they would suit Johnny who is on blood thinners. Jen has a couple of nice ones growing in her front garden and they are flowering at the moment. they look nice in the garden where you don't have to thin them out. Ian I like the way you have your orthophytums growing. I've bought up a heap of those $2 trough & saucer type pots from Kmart this week and we have been putting pots in them so they have a supply of water. it is so dry here now that you can spend hours watering today and tomorrow the plants are so dry you have to do it again. so best to stand them in water so they can help themselves. Only problem is the troughs only take a maximum 140ml pot so big ones are still too dry.

Nev so glad your knee is feeling a bit better now after an injection. I hope your knee replacement happens so you can be over it all completely. yes we are out of room already in the seedling area so we have purchased some more new shelves like the one along the back wall in the seedling area pic previously posted. They came up again on Grays online auctions so I bid on 4 hopng to get 1 and amazingly nobody else bid at all so I got all 4 at starting bid. Don't know where we will put them all but they can sit in the box if necessary till we work that out. Lucky you getting rain last night Nev. We still haven't had any here. I'm sure it will hold off till next week so we have a wet sale.

Karen in case you haven't already worked it out we have advertised a sale for 6 & 7th.

I'm so tired now I think I'll have an early night although it is already 11pm so not so early. Not sure if I will be able to get onto the computer tomorrow night as we have the girls sleeping over. If you don't hear from me that will be the problem. Rylee's porta cot is set up in here in the office so I can't use the computer if she is asleep in here.

Pic 1 is a recentshot of one of the blanchetiana hybrids from Nev. There are 3 of them in good sized pots in the garden and they are getting so big in some morning sunlight.
Pic 2 is one of the blanchetiana x calichroma seedlings. some of those are getting a good size now also.
Pic 3 is one of our painted delight seedlings showing some brilliant colour. I have pups off quite a few of our pd seedlings so willbe able to assess them for naming and registration soon.

I'm off to bed now so I'll say goodnight. I might have to work out how to hook up a second monitor so I can read on 1 and type on the other like Shirley. that's the only way I can acknowledge everyone and respond to all comments. Hi to everyone I haven't mentioned.

Wendy

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 28, 2012
3:08 PM

Post #9289190

Karen – I can't tell you any more about the name Neo Princeps 'Rainbow' (Special Form) except to say that was the name on it when I bought it. In fact I bought two and the other was just Neo 'Princeps' (supposedly the species with much thinner leaves).

I think possibly the original grower may have given it that as a “pet name” to distinguish it from the other one which is slightly smaller, not as colourful and more like the pic's of the species in http://fcbs.org/pictures.htm . Another possibility is that the 'Rainbow' (special form) may have been a “sport” from the species and it was given that name to distinguish it from the species; but that's just my thought on the matter. When you read what Uncle Derek has to say about Neo 'Princeps' in general it seems it's from a very mixed up group including Neo. Carolinae.

As for your dilemma about suitable gloves for handling the prickles on Ae Bert, well I was able to buy some great gloves at Bunnings. They are of a rather thin canvas type material which extends right up to the arm pits and give 100% protection and they were only about $6 per pair when I bought them twelve months ago. The only problem is, I don't remember to put them on until I see the blood running down my arms.

Ian – The gloves you are talking about sound like something similar to the ones I bought and I'll just duck out and take a quick pic so everyone can see what we are talking about. I forgot to add previously that they are 24” long.

As for shipping instructions, I have a few notes on this subject which I wrote based on a brief talk I gave at our local society based on my experience of sending and receiving plants by post. The one thing I have found you mustn't do, is send plants that are wet or wrapped in wet paper. The reason being that if they are in the unpressurised cargo hold of a plane, the temperature can reach down to zero and below and if the plants are wet or even damp they can suffer sever cold damage. The same thing applies with heat; if they are left on a hot tarmac for any length of time they will be scalded as the temperature rises inside the package and the moisture on the plant or packing turns to steam. If anyone would like a copy of these notes I'm only too happy to send them to you if I have your email address.

The one very important thing I have found is that plants will travel much better in a poly-styrene box than a cardboard one; this is due to the superior insulating qualities. In fact, I previously received some plants that had gone astray for twelve days due to an incorrect address and when they arrived they were still in pretty good shape, something that wouldn't have been the case had they been in a cardboard box. Definitely don't send plants in a plastic express post sachet, they sweat inside the plastic and invariably someone puts something heavy on top of them in transit.

Wendy – The blanchetiana seedlings I sent up certainly seem to like living up there much better than they did down here. It will be very interesting to see what they turn out like, so don't forget the pic's when they eventually flower.

That's a nice Neo 'Painted Delight' seedling; what was it crossed with or was it one of “Natures Gifts” and done by insects? It has a bit of form about it as well and it would be interesting to see what it would look like if you took a pup from it when you get one, and grow it hard without any fertiliser, I'm sure you would be pleasantly surprised at the result.

I'll just finish today with some pic's which aren't very colourful, but brom. related nevertheless. Pic 1 is of a pair of the gloves I mentioned above and the following pic's show some scald damage on plants which had been packed damp.

All the best, Nev.

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ianperry

September 29, 2012
2:17 AM

Post #9289593

Hi all just general tidying up and playing with light effects. Also went on a seed search at home, some more coming on for Neos, ae and very few bils. The ones I hoped for didn't set, maybe next time. The Quesnelias aren't ready yet either, nor are the pits. Still I have enough to do.

Karen all my seed so far is self set or at least by insects. I am thinking that I ought to store pollen for future use but don't know how. I read something somewhere but cannot remember where.

Nev I am in learning mode. I want to learn and I need to learn anything and everything brom related. The trouble is that I want it now, but realise that is not practical. Little by little is how I have to go. Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can. Often found in a woman but rarely in a man. That is what Dad used to tell me.
I haven't checked my emails yet, but if you havent sent the information as yet I would like it please.
Have a good one
ian
Pic 1 seed raising set up
Pic 2 Noid
Pic 3 Noid
Pic 4 Pitch black with sun behing
Pic 5 playing with light and Pitch Black

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 29, 2012
1:15 PM

Post #9290078

Good morning everyone. I'm finding DG a bit slow to show me the enlargements this morning, but I managed to open your last N. 'Pitch Black' one, Ian. I think you did well capturing it, but I bet it was even better in real life. I quite like photography, and have seen some amazing shot from some fellow bromaholics on facebook. keep looking for info on the net and you will find it, regarding seed sowing, pollinating and storing pollen. If you go to garden web, you can put a search in on the bromeliad forum, and come up with lots of information. The only thing I find, is it uses up my valuable garden time! I should compute at night, but once that sun goes down, so do my eyelids.
I had a great day out with friends yesterday. We went to Ross' nursery, Pinegrove, in Wardell, and had our heads filled with interesting facts and history of all sorts of bromeliads. The gardens are a treat and there are little surprises tucked in there so you have to look close. Of course, I had my camera but forgot to use it enough. The place is massive, and was inherited in a bit of a mess, some time ago, but Ross and Helen have been whittling away at it, and since I last visited, it has improved out of sight. Although they will never run out of things to do! I got boxes of lovely things to enjoy and will take some photographs later.
Anyway, a big hello to everyone. Wendy, Jen did pass on the seed thank you. I am waiting on Till pods too, and will have scheidiana, utriculata and hopefully some streptophylla. My first batch of butzii seedlings are now big enough that they are mounted, and the second batch is coming up behind. The Capitata red you gave me awhile back is going well, although the birds have been pinching the coconut fibre they are growing on, so have thinned them out a bit.
Karen, as tempting as it is to look at a photo, mid writing a post, it always results in losing the post, but you can right click on the photo, and choose 'open in new tab' then you can swap between looking at the photo and continue to write. I haven't worked out how to do that on my Tablet yet, since it doesn't have a mouse!
On the same subject, Shirley, you don't need two monitors, just open two tabs. Once you are logged in, you open the second tab, go to DG and just click home, then you have access to the forums, while you can type responses on the first tab. (The tab is usually at the top of the page, like a tab on a divider in a folder, if that makes sense) To open a tab, you just click on it, and to swap between, you just click the previous tab.
Nev, I am glad you got that much needed rain. We've had dribs and drabs, but nothing substantial this week. I liked your N. 'Princeps' special form also.
Ok, I might get up out of my warm comfy bed. I left my plants in my friends car last night and will go pick them up shortly, so I need to make room on the benches.
pic one is Vriesea kitteliana.
pic two is V. 'Red Dragon' seedling
Sue

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 29, 2012
5:55 PM

Post #9290329

Hi everyone, another nice sunny day here today so off out into the yard as soon as I finish this.

Ian – What you say is very true, so much to learn and wanting to learn it all at once. I found the best place to learn these things wasn't in Books or on Face Book (which is contradictory to what everyone believes these days) but on the various bromeliad forums. On these forums you are communicating with bromeliad growers at all levels right from beginners to the very top of world recognised growers and hybridisers.

The two best site I have found are http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/bromeliad/ and the newer forum which followed this one and is http://www.bromeliadforum.za.net/forum/index.php They are both excellent sites with a wealth of current information as well heaps of archived information, and when used in conjunction with other resource material such as the Bromeliad Cultivar Register http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php and the Florida Council of Bromeliads Societies Web site http://fcbs.org/ which as well as heaps of useful information, also includes an excellent Photo Index of hybrids and most importantly species as well.

As for your question about storing pollen, I remembered this being a topic of discussion on both of the above forums at different times and you may still be able to access the discussions by way of the following:
http://www.bromeliadforum.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=1044.0
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bromeliad/msg0414223122243.html

That's a great combination of the sunlight and Neo Pitch Black; well done!

Sue - I was having a similar problem with my pic's on D.G. also, but then I reduced the picture size and everything works great now, loads up super quickly as well.

As for the rain, well that finished as quickly as it started and then the westerly wind came and dried it all up again so we're now back to square one again. I'm glad you had a good visit with Ross, he's a great bloke and I only wish I had got to know him when I was younger and well enough to travel. Anyway I now just have to be content with pic's taken by you and other "brom hunters" like you.

I really like the great colour in your Vr. 'Red Dragon' seedling, I can't find Vr. 'Red Dragon' on the B.C.R. is it an unregistered one from John Catlan's and do you know what the parentage is?

That's about it for today and I'll just finish with five pic's of Neo's as they just start to come into colour. Pic 1 is Neo 'Burgundy Moss', Pic 2 is 'Rosy Morn', Pic 3 is one of my seedlings which will be eventually registered as 'Dunmore Ruby', Pic 4 is 'Camelot' and pic 5 is 'Fairy Dust'.

All the best, Nev.

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DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

September 29, 2012
6:47 PM

Post #9290386

Sue, thanks for the clue about opening a new tab to see a pic. I didn't realize that.

Nev, will look out for those gloves as I am on blood thinner too and it can restrict gardening attempts a lot.

Not feeling very chatty today so will put up two pics and catch up tomorrow.

Karen

First is Nidularium Rubens (aka Tapestry). The pic doesn't do justice to the colours in this one.
Second is Nidularium Ruby Lee, a real stunner in my eyes.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

September 29, 2012
8:45 PM

Post #9290501

oh love that red dragon sue!
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

September 30, 2012
1:22 AM

Post #9290604

well here I am back again for the second time today!
I am tending the bonfire until it burns down, and hubby has a chest cold so has gone inside so here I am. (and the footy is on)
nev, its not the putting up of my own photos that is the problem, but looking at enlargements of everyone elses. It seems to be ok this evening
N. 'Dunmore Ruby' is my pic of your photos. V. 'Red Dragon' is a catlans seedling, but I am afraid i don't know the parentage. M. Dilling posted a pic of one she grew (on facebook) and it was fire engine red!Quite a bit of variation I gather. Obviously it has fosterina in the parentage and something with wide leaves.
Karen, I am glad you understood my tab instructions. I hope that makes things easier for you. I look forward to any news you have when you're up to it. I am a fan of Nids. rubens and 'Ruby lee' also.
Thanks Bree, I know there were alot of seedlings offered for sale in the past few years, so I imagine they will be popping out of the woodwork, left, right and centre.
Anyway, i'll leave you with a pic to keep you warm on this fresh spring evening.
Sue

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ctmorris
barmera
Australia

September 30, 2012
2:10 AM

Post #9290626

Hi everyone. Lots of lovelies to feast the old eyes on. I gave all my tiny little seedlings a spray with some fert. today. I'm hoping that will help them to grow into big strong boys and girls. How often should I do this, anyone please? That fire looks great Sue. The boys would have their toasting forks out toasting marshmallows. John has put up a pergola for me at the back of the house near the SH and if I kill part of the lawn and put some pavers down and put Shade cloth on two sides I'll have a place for all my seedlings. Well, that's the idea anyway. Not much else going on here. Still taking it easy with lifting and as soon as I look at the broom my back goes into spasms [ not as drastic as that really] but you get the picture. I do believe that the Tai Chi is doing me some good and getting me to relax a bit, so I will keep doing that. I can also google the music and do them myself when things get too much. I know it's all about the mind, but I must have a bl--- strong mind, it's just not working in the right direction at the moment. I'll get there. Hope you're all well I'll catch up again soon. Colleen
ianperry

September 30, 2012
2:58 AM

Post #9290641

Hi all, just had an overcast day and a visit from 2 sons.Good to see them again. Just pottered around doing what I felt like doing, a day for Ian. I did a bit of web searching and now have some more information to store in my head.
I went looking at plants I have named and most appear reasonably correct, some are different and I am thinking the conditions that they are growing could be part of the problem. Generally i have been protecting most from light but am now changing that. Some could have also had too much Nitrogen fertiliser 6 months ago, due to inexperience. Not all need the same amount.
I better stop because I am stuffed.
Have a good one.
Ian
Pic 1 Bil Cherry Lou Right flower
Pic 2 Cherry lou Left flower
Pic 3 Cherry lou in 10" hanging basket
Pic 4 I dont remember

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ianperry

September 30, 2012
3:00 AM

Post #9290643

Pic 4 is N mini Pink Baby

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

September 30, 2012
5:42 AM

Post #9290707

Hi all, I missed DG for a couple of days and so much to catch up on. I meant to post last night but overdid it a bit yesterday and dozed off while watching a DVD so fell straight into bed.

Nev, with regards the two monitors, I am not very technically minded so I will have to ask Michael how it is set up. I know it is very useful, especially if looking up lots of stuff on the internet and being able to drag bits across to the other screen and drop into open documents in Word without having to minimise and reopen anything and trying to find where you were up to before you switched tabs.

Sue, guess I’m just lazy or maybe it’s impatience but I love being able to read one screen while typing away on the other and I find it a tremendous time saver too. I love your Vr Red Dragon seedling, great colour.

Nev, I have sown the seeds you sent me, thanks again, now it’s wait and see time. I used a coir peat block to sow them in and had quite a bit left over. Can I allow it to dry out, rehydrate it later on and re- use it.

My neo Tangerine is really coming into colour at the moment. I was looking at a photo I took only a couple of weeks ago compared to one the other day and the difference is quite dramatic … I’ll post both pics. I think it will colour up even more as it matures. As for ‘blue thing’ I’ll post a pic of when I got it compared to the way it is now, a before and after, if you like. Love your neos Dunmore Ruby and Fairy Dust.

Wendy, hope your “no pressure” plan works out and Johnny doesn’t stress out. Good luck with your sale.

Hi to Bree, Colleen and Karen. Ian, your neo Pink Baby is very cute.

Well, tomorrow is October. Like Wendy said, the year is absolutely flying by. We have been cleaning gutters and drains in anticipation of the rain we should be getting. We still have had only a couple of light showers so far.

Anyway, might have an early night. Bye for now, Shirley

Pics 1 and 2 are neo Tangerine taken only a couple of weeks apart. Pics 3 and 4 are before and afters of neo Blue Thing.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

September 30, 2012
2:26 PM

Post #9291215

Hi everyone, well at last the rugby league is over again which gives me more time to do brom related things as I'm not a fan of cricket as it's too slow; in fact watching paint dry is probably a faster sport as far as I'm concerned.

Karen – I like the Nid Ruebens you have posted it's quite a nice looking plant. You say the pic doesn't do the colours justice which is what I find with a lot of the red and purple shades, but then I suppose we can't have everything can we?

I hadn't seen this plant before and went looking at the records and I was interested to only find it on the FCBS site as it is a species and not a hybrid as I had imagined. There is quite an interesting story by “Uncle Derek” about how it came to be named but I had a bit of a problem wading through all of the technical “jargon” and in the end I just gave up. I know we need taxonomy and taxonomists to sort these things out, but I'm afraid it's an area of brom growing which is all over my head as I'm more into simpler things.

Sue – What's the go with the bonfire? You must have a pretty forgiving local Council and Fire Brigade up your way as this sort of thing isn't allowed down here any more. They even stopped the annual kids bonfire on “Cracker Night” which was something every kid in the district looked forward to. I'm afraid it all gets down to OH&S regulations and a fear of being sued.

Thanks for the follow up on the Vr. 'Red Dragon' seedlings and based on what you say, there will be many other Vriesea seedlings popping up now from time to time as more and more people try their hand at hybridising them.

Colleen – Good to see you posting again and it's also good to hear your back is slowly on the mend. Now the warmer weather is on the way hopefully it will speed things up a bit and you can get back out among the brom's. At least with the pergola now built you can really get “fair dinkum” with the seed growing as they aren't heavy and won't hurt your back. Like me, I'm sure you'll find this a very interesting aspect of brom growing, the only problem is, where do you put them when they all grow up?

As for the feeding of tiny seedlings; everybody has a different idea, but more and more of what I read seems to favour the old system of “little and often” with one N.Z. grower who grows amazing seedlings advocating “quarter strength per quarter month” (quarter of the recommended strength fed weekly) throughout the whole year.

Ian – Correctly identifying plants has always been a problem and always will be, and as Derek Butcher “Uncle Derek” says; “never trust a name label”. If you were to take six same size pups of the same plant and grow them all in the same mix but in six different areas of your yard, some in bright light and some in shade and others in between, you will be amazed at the difference you will get.

It's all about light initially, but when you add fertiliser into the equation as well, there will be still more variation of size, shape and colour. Now take some of the pictures on the various Photo Indices which were taken “pre digital” and the task of identifying a plant from that picture in the Photo Index is virtually impossible as they look nothing like each other. This is why there are “keys” to use when identifying plants and many things to look for other than just the shape and colour of the foliage or the flower.

Shirley – Good luck with the seed you planted, it looks like you're on your way to joining the rest of us “seedaholics” now. As for the Coir Peat you didn't use, I usually just put it in a plastic bag and seal it. It will stay damp for at least a year as long as the air doesn't get to it. If it does dry out though, it can be re-hydrated in water and still used with no problems.

They're great pic's you've posted, it really does clearly demonstrate the progressive steps in the plant colouring up process when they are shown side by side like this. Neo 'Tangerine' has really vibrant colour which stands right out doesn't it? I'm very interested in Neo 'Blue Thing' and am eagerly waiting to see if the cup flushes and colours up more deeply when it's fully mature.

That's about it for now and I'll finish with firstly three pic's of some “babies” just starting to show some colour and a hint of what their future may be.

As for the last two pic's; well a few years ago I sent away for a plant called Neo 'Phyllis' (An Alan Freeman hybrid I think) and a beautifully coloured plant shown in pic Pic 4. What I didn't know was there were two plants called Neo 'Phyllis' and what arrived was the plant shown in Pic 5 (a nice plant but not what I wanted). This has since been registered as Neo Phyllis 'OT' ( I think the OT may stand for Olive Trevor but I'm not sure).

All the best, Nev.

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ianperry

October 1, 2012
2:50 AM

Post #9291721

Hi all, It's been another overcast day, with a few spots of moisture. I would have liked more, much more with the lawn a nice shade of brown. Saves mowing though. Always look at the bright side of life wer words of a song of yesteryear.
I browsed and tried to ID some of my plants, Ae today and added to my wants list, found 2 not registered withFCBS but no matter, could be pending or just local hybrids. There were 2 other that I believe to be misnamed.
I checked on my Bils today and found some with seed pods, some just starting to flower and others that flowered but no seeds formed.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Bil Halleluja seed pod maybe
Pic 2 Bil Cherry lou flowers open today
Pic 3 Bil Pink patches seed pods
Pic 4 Bil Catherine Wilson seed pods
Pic 5 Bil Dangerous dan flower arising

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

October 1, 2012
5:23 AM

Post #9291808

Hi everyone, well Nev and Ian anyway … where has everyone else gone today.

We have had a little bit of rain during the day, not much, just a drizzle but some very happy plants in the gardens I’m sure.

Nev, thanks for the info on the coir peat and thanks too for your good wishes with my seed venture and encouragement in joining the ‘seedaholics’ club. I will keep you updated on progress and also post some follow up pics of neo ‘Blue Thing’. Lots of nice colour showing in your ‘babies’.

Ian, your Bil Dangerous Dan looks like a nice one.

Anyway, nothing new here so I’ll go thru my photos and see what I can come up with. Can’t remember which ones I have used before though.

Bye for now, Shirley

Pic 1 is neo Hula Girl starting to colour Pic 2 is neo Ninja, also showing some nice colour

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

October 1, 2012
2:40 PM

Post #9292591

Hi everyone – well the two of you anyway, as you say Shirley, where's everyone gone?

Ian – I haven't had much to do with Billbergia seed capsules but the ones in pic 3 are starting to “yellow” and I have sneaking suspicion they may be starting to rot. If they were mine I would open (just one) to try and get some seed, just in case they are starting to rot. On the other hand I may be completely wrong and this may just be the natural colour changing process they go through, so I guess it's "your call".

I like the plant in Pic 5. Is there any chance of a “side on” pic of the foliage colour? It looks like it may have Bil 'Domingos Martins' in the “family tree” somewhere which would give it that attractive spotting. Do you know any more about the history or the parentage as it's not listed in the BCR.

Shirley – It seems like we're all in the same boat with the rain (or lack of). After we had a night of crashing thunder and blinding lightening flashes the other night followed by what was good heavy rain, it stopped after a short time only to be followed the next day by a westerly wind which dried it all up again.

I like your Neo 'Hula Girl”; a plant I was fortunate enough to be able to get a pup of a couple of weeks back, so all I have to do now is grow it on, and get it to colour up as well as yours.

Sorry I have to end here this morning as I have a couple of early appointments and I'm late already.

All the best, Nev.
DawnSong
Brisbane
Australia

October 1, 2012
3:04 PM

Post #9292636

Just popping in to say hello today. Not raining here again but the humidity is up so the the plants are getting some through their leaves. Hope everyone is having a lovely day. I plan to :).
Karen
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

October 1, 2012
3:06 PM

Post #9292645

good morning.
I guess everyone had a good long weekend, and had things to do in the yard, family stuff, or off on a holiday, but I'm sure they'll all be in again this week.
i caught up with jen again yesterday, and we had a quick dash around my garden before picking up another friend and heading South to Bonville Broms. Jan and john have the nicest set up there, with big igloo frames, side by side, and covered in beige shade cloth. The variety of foliage vrieseas is overwhelming, and the colour they have managed to get in almost every genus is awesome. They moved up from the hunter some time back, and its a work in progress, but looks to be well on the way to completion in my opinion. They sure know how to entertain, and despite us bringing a tea bun, they also treated us to some very Moorish cookies, and hot drinks which we consumed while drooling on their plants! After a goodlook around and purchasing the things that pleased us, they then invited us to stay for a sausage sizzle. unfortunately we had gone over our allotted time (set by mere males) and we had to leave to get back and feed the starving men! Anyway, a great time was had by all, and i'll put some pics on of some of my favourites there.
A big apology for not replying to everyone individually, but I have read the posts and looked at the pics and will catch up personally next time.
Photo one is Quesnelia edmundoi var rubrobracteata
Photo two is Neo. 'Shep' showing a coloured one and a pup.
Photo three is vriesea 'Stretch'
Unfortunately I forgot to record the name for photo four, but really, who cares?
photo five is Tillandsia 'Phoenix' (concolour x capitata rubra)
Sue

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ianperry

October 2, 2012
1:47 AM

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Hi all, those participating and those resting.
Nev. i took seed from 1 yellow pod yesterday and have stored them, I hope to collect more tomorrow, then I will sow some and see what happens. On another pod that I didn't photograph something appears to be eating the pod, there were 2 pods and an hour later I had one half and 1 three quarters. I collected them too. They were off the large leaf queens tears I think Bil Nutans schimperiana, but I could be wrong.
Bil Dangerous Dan I bought from Gladstone at the end of July It's flower was just emerging yesterday and I will be following up on taking photographs and will post them as they progress. I know nothing of it's history but I will try to find out from the seller if I can. We are enjoying a bit of rain this afternoon and night, we have had enough to wet the surface of the bitumen road. Hope for more maybe it will water some of my plants, even the tills that prefer to be dry at night, but this is Mother Nature calling the shots

Shirley, I like Hula girl and Ninja is unusually nice too. Keep up growing from seed, someone has to and one never knows what results one can obtain. There could be a surprise in every pod.

Sue I love all those piccies and I geuss they could all fit on my wants list, When I win lotto then I may be able to buy myself into trouble.
Have a good one
Ian

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

October 2, 2012
4:21 AM

Post #9293273

Hi all, another fairly overcast day here but again, no rain.

Nev, I hope you weren’t running too late for your appointments this morning.

Karen, hope your day turned out to be as lovely as you planned.

Sue, just love your vrieseas and neo Shep too, gorgeous plants.

Ian, wouldn’t it be nice to have a big lotto win. I often look at all the beautiful broms for sale on eBay, especially the very expensive vrieseas and imagine how wonderful it would be to just bid away unrestricted by budget rather than just sit in front of the computer and drool !!! Ah well, wishful thinking.

With that in mind, I think I’ll just go raid the cupboard for some comfort food and maybe have a scotch, bye for now, Shirley

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perke_patch

October 2, 2012
4:29 AM

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Hi everyone. I have been awol for a few days. We had our son sleeping over with the girls on Saturday night while Jess worked. Chris went t a wedding and rather than wake the girls up to take them home he decided to just come back here and sleep the night and go home in the morning. Well a parent wll be a parent even when they are 30 and we couldn't sleep till he got home at 3.30 and that was after we phoned 3 times to see if he wanted to be picked up. you can't help but worry in this stupid cruel world where it is unsafe to even to out at night. So I have been trying to catch up on sleep ever since. Didn't intend to turn computer on at all last night but our son posted pics of his gardens so Johnny wanted tosee them so I logged on just to scroll through the album and turned off again.

We had an eventful week and weekend. Johnny told me on Thrusday that there was a house in Wello Pt where we are that was for rent in Tuesday's paper. I didn't do anything thinking it would be too late but on Friday when I went to dump the paper I thought what the heck so I rang the mobile to find it hadn't been let yet and there were a couple of lots vewing on Sat morning so I asked if we could too. When I went with Jess it turned out she knew the hubby Max from the pub at Wello and we had a lovely chat. Max also knew Johnny's mum and her partner Bill who both worked at Wello pub also so after a lovely time discussing old friends Jess filled out the application immediately and that night she got the call that the house was theirs. So my girls are moving very close and Emily will be a student at Jen's school. woohoo.

Anyhow the weekend now. Jen was away and so much happened that I couldn't ring her to tell her about hahahha. I guess you could say I missed her. anyway I collected seed from tillandsias globosa, schiediana yellow form, schiediana minor, of course normal schiediana which pops seed all the time, juncea, butzii, neo cruenta silver, ae macroclamys had 2 purple pods so I squeezed them and got 3 seeds (Ross Little said he has never known this plant to self set seed so I'm excited about my 3 seeds and I'm still watching for more purple pods), bill sanderiana had 4 ripe pods and I had crossed them with other bills but the tooth picks had fallen out of all but 1 pod so I could only sow them all individually and label them 1, 2, 3 & 4 to identify later if possible. there were also 2 other bills with ripe pods which have been sown. But getting away from seeds now we have 8 tables full of plants already so if we get busy now over next couple days we will still be right for sale on Saturday. we have to pick up some new shelves for seedlings one day and some more steel for totem rings so lots to do. we have again completely emptied a couple areas in the yard and redone them so the yard is looking so nice. Lots of good bargains on the tables. some pots with 2, 3 and even 4 plants in them for only $8 or$10. and lots of flowering guz and vr too. we have lots of full sized broms out and we'll just grow on some pups which take up less room than full sized plants.

Johnny was repotting guz & vriseas as mix had broken down with no rain and when he finished I discovered a new pink label. I have only just started using pink for brand new plants and blue labels for seedlings so he knows if it doesn't have a white label it is not for sale. so now somewhere in the yard is a pot with no label and it is a new plant. I'll just have to buy it again. I think it was a pup I got from a friend locally so I'll have to ask her for another pup when she gets one. he always does that and I have to find a pot he just did with no label in it. I wonder how many he puts wrong label in too. oh well I can't do it all without him so I'll just keep my mouth shut and live with it.

I love the pics being posted. Sue that pic 4 unknown one is stunning with that striping. Nev I love the spotty neos in first and last pics you posted ... burgundy moss and fairy dust. love those and also your dunmore one. hope mine turn out that colour. I've been snapping pics madly over last couple days but once again the camera is downstairs in the pocket of my apron so I'll upload tomorrow night.
I've reposted pic 1 of the seedling area for a reason. see the big shelf unit along the back wall? I bid on 4 more of them at starting bid hoping to get 2 more but nobody else placed any bids so I got all 4. Johnny doesn't know yet. I guess when we go to pick up he'll find out and hopefully others will be around and he can't complain too much. don't know what we'll do with them all but they will be in flat boxes so won't take up too much room till we decide. I know I'm a chickn but why ask for problems till I need to right?????
now for seed. I collected a couple pods from puya miribalis because each time the wind blew little seeds flew all over the place. I know these grow easily so I didn't want them sprouting all over the ground and in all the pots so I plucked those pods and have a cup of seeds now. I don't want to grow these so if anyone wants some please let me know. I also have quite a bit of till butzii and juncea as I had a couple of each with seed popping this week. I'm sure I can spare a pod of each for anyone interested.
I'm off to bed early again so I'll wish everyone a good night now.
Catlan's billbergias are grex names so whole batches with same grex name even though they are soooooo different. pic 2 is cv of hayley's gold, pic 3 is cv of cherry lou, pic 5 is cv of moon tiger and pic 4 cv of sing song. these are all grex names of catlan's billbergias. Jen and I always took delight in finding many different looking plants with same grex name so we had a really good assortment. so always put that cv in front of the name so you don't get people saying "that's not right... it looks nothing like my ..." I know of one ebay seller who has been challenged about some of his listings and I have heard Genny Catlan lecturing him many times about them being cultivar names not individual names. sorry about the sideways turn of the heads but it decides to rotate every time. sorry.

Night all
Wendy

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perke_patch

October 2, 2012
4:37 AM

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haha Shirley. we should have a post titled "if you won lotto this week what is the one thing you would buy first with your winnings". I think I'd like to go to NZ next year for the brom conference. imagine the new babies we could bring back with us Shirley????

No rain here today. even though we recently bought a load of water we will be buying another load soon if we don't get any substantial rain. Ian our lawn has stayed green all year round because when it gets dry we have a spare wheelie bin we bought to catch the bath water. we have a diverter on the drain pipe and can switch it over to the wheelie bin to catch the water, then we wheel it out and tip on the lawn. luckily we only have a small lawn
Night
wendy
bromishy
Townsville
Australia

October 2, 2012
4:42 AM

Post #9293288

Hi, hope Everyone’s well!

Wow, so many threads and beautiful pictures to catch-up on, I better get started reading and writing at the same time - multi-tasking big time, serves me right for leaving it so long to write you all.

Well the long weekend went really well including all the visitors we had on Friday, Saturday and Sunday (rest day was much needed on Monday) and back to work today boo-ho. I am a year older and hopefully a year wiser. Indulged way too much with both food and alcohol as we do on special occasions. Can’t believe how quick 2012 is flying by.

Hi Jen - Happy Belated Birthday! Hip Hip Hooray!!!

Got a bit of gardening done amongst the visitors, I have very understanding friends as we started picking leaves out of my broms and herb garden which then turned into pulling out weeds out of the herb garden and potting broms lol. They seemed to enjoy themselves, especially the ones that do not garden at all; they said they felt inspired to see what I have achieved in the garden and what I am doing with all my broms so that made me feel really good about things. It just did not feel right just sitting there chatting and listening to music, I am not one for sitting too long and the long weekend made it even harder for me to sit still for too long.

My friends were blown away at how many more broms I have since they last visited and everyone's individual reaction was Oh My God and that was just my entertainment area, then they went outside lol. They all said it's the most amount of Broms they have seen anywhere so far and that yes I am definelty addicted in a good way because everything looked nice, healthy and organised, so it was great to hear the positive feedback.

I am pleased to say that I also managed to pot up all my vriesea seeds (500) seeds in total, possibly went a little bit overboard planting them all out at once but I found it very therapeutic and relaxing apart from having hay fever the whole weekend and sneezing a lot which made it hard to not send seeds flying in all directions lol. I went through 2boxes of tissues with my hay fever in 3days, not nice. Anyway I ended up with 20 large freezer type trays of seeds planted out. I will have to take pictures on the weekend to post so everyone can see, not too exciting to see pic of containers full of peat moss and perlite but imagine them hopefully germinating and I can’t help but be exciting.

My tissue culture vrieseas are also doing really well and showing good signs of growth, much to my delight they are still alive and around 8 or so cm’s now and look strong green in colour.

Hi Shirley; really liked your pics of Jaws and Jaws2, thanks for showing me the difference. I also luv your Neo Blue Thing, its blotches remind me of Neo Two Tone.

Hi Bree, luv your pic of Dyckias, maybe one day I might start collecting but mainly Vrieseas and Neo’s are the ones that really catch my interest more than others. Bee, just checking if you got my D-Mail ok as still getting used to the system?

Hi Wendy, luv your pic of Neo Painted Delight seedling, nice strong colour there for one so young.

Hi Nev, glad to hear your knee is feeling better and that the discomfort has gone when you walk for now, with long term fix just around the corner. I guess you must be running (walking) around trying to get any jobs needing doing whilst you knee is feeling so good, I hope you have been able to get a lot done since then. Nev, luv all your pics of Neo’ just starting to come into colour, any more colour and we will all need to wear sunglasses just to look at them to avoid getting pupil damage lol.

Hi Karen, luv your Ae. Bert in flower, the one I have is a mature pup yet to flower so it is nice to see what the flower will turn out like aside from only seeing pictures in books and on the internet. Good luck with the spikes and hope you have a good pair of tough gloves. I use a good pair of canvas type material gloves that go right up to your elbows that I purchased from Bunning’s for $6 like Nev’ except mine are green and cream, for the smaller Ae’s I use welders gloves or rose gloves.

Hi Sue, luv your Vr. Red Dragon Seedling, it’s one I have on my Really Want List, I’ve seen it on EBay a couple of times but have missed out, I have my husband looking out for it whilst I’m at work as he is off on leave at the moment so is on the computer a fair bit. Also luv your pic of Vr. Stretch, first I have seen this one – very nice. Is pic 4 Vr. Lucky Len? – see someone cares lol.

Hi Colleen, hope you’re feeling better and taking it easy. You sound like you are having fun with seedlings like I am. Great question you asked on how often to fertilize seedlings as I am at this stage with the tissue culture vriesea seedlings I have. Nev, thanks for the valuable feedback on fertilizing and when, I will take a leaf out of your book on this one and report back.

Hi Ian, good luck with your garden project it sounds great. Some advice when posting brom’s is to wrap root with damp paper toweling, I also make a cone shape out of newspaper and put the pointed end into the heart of the plant (especially good for large plants so they don’t collapse) and also wrap the whole plant in newspaper and place in a foam box or box filled with shredded newspaper. Ian, I liked to see your seed raising setup which looks nice and organised, I will have to take a pic where I have mine growing, and I will take pic on weekend. Liked pics of Neo Pitch Black, really nice colours captured there.

Hope I have not missed anyone, but if I have this was not my intention and I am looking forward to speaking with you next time around.

Speak soon everyone and happy gardening!

Trish :-)

Pic 1 – Neo Ink Spots
Pic 2 – Neo Festiva
Pic 3 – Neo Heck
Pic 4 – Vr. Tiger Tim - my ones a bit droopy at present - any idea's anyone, leave are full of colour though?
Pic 5 – Vr. Fantasy x Illusion

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

October 2, 2012
2:11 PM

Post #9293836

Trish love all them broms you pictured.
yes i did get your D-Mail..do you want any of these broms pictured...just some i have seperated. Nelson, MS hybrid, Gespacho and Concentrica x Hearts Music. Seems a waste just sending you one little one. hehe!
If you dont thats ok i will send you the Gympies delight tomorrow. thanks!
Shirley love Hula Girl and Ninja.
Sue love vriesea 'Stretch' and the one with no tag is Awsome!

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

October 2, 2012
11:10 PM

Post #9294341

Hi everyone – well so much for the injection I had in my knee last week, it lasted just six days and already everything's almost back to where it was...buggered! Hopefully I'll have better luck when I see the surgeon in a couple of weeks, I'm pretty sure he'll suggest a 100,000 km service plus a bit of modification to the original design.

I'm still trying to catch up with re-potting, but I'm afraid it's a bit like painting the Sydney Harbour Bridge ….. never ending.

Sue – I really like the Neo 'Shep', judging by the colour it looks like what you would get if you crossed 'Break of Day' with 'Jewellery Shop', the colour is really great, and much improved on the colour of the plant in the BCR, how much light is it getting? Oh and by the way, Vr. 'Stretch' isn't too bad either and any time it needs a southern holiday, just send it down and I'll find somewhere for it.

Ian – Pleased to hear you're getting a bit of rain, I wish we were.

Wendy – It's interesting that you say all of John Catlan's Bill seedlings have grex names. I really don't know why the bromeliad “powers that be” ever changed from that system to the one we are currently using. Orchid hybridists still successfully use that system and saw no need to change it so why did “our lot”? There are still quite a few brom. hybridists who use the old system also, and still more who just refuse to register plants under the new system, so what have we gained by changing it? No a lot I fear, probably just turned a lot of people off registering plants... another case of fixing something that wasn't broke!

Trish – Pleased to hear you have all your seed planted, now is the easy bit just waiting for them to start growing and in a few months time all the hard work really starts, potting, potting, potting.

Your Pic 4 jogged my memory of some pic's I was going to post a while back but have only just contacted my friend Paul Turvey today to get permission to post them.

Paul took a liking to Vr Ospinae gruberi some time back and when he found they came in different colours, he set himself a challenge to see how many different ones he could collect. When he posted them on the Garden Web Forums back in Feb 2009 he had eight different coloured ones. When he agreed to my request to show his pic's today he added the following cultural advice:

“One thing people will find with them is that a lot of them will look the same if they are fed heavily in the potting mix and kept in deep shade, but the differences will come out if they are kept in very bright filtered light (even with some direct sun - they will actually take quite a bit ) and no fertiliser in the potting mix apart from just a bit to start with, just foliar feeding. In other words, treat them like a Neo to get good colour.”

I'll finish with pic's of five of Paul's Vr. gruberi plants and show the rest next time I post.

All the best, Nev.

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ianperry

October 3, 2012
3:55 AM

Post #9294391

Hi all, Rain stopped too early, but I am gretefull for what I got. Plenty windy here so I didn't do much. I collected seed from Ae orlandiana picininny, just 1 pod, have cleaned and stored it for a couple of days.
Trish sometimes Potassium helps to thicken up leaves and make them stiffer, less droop. This is something that i have been experimenting with for the last couple of months with good results. There are more experienced growers here and they probibly know more than I do. Thanks for the tip in packing plants.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1Bil Dangerous dan flower still rising
Pic 2 Vr splendens with pups growing
Pic 3 Bil NOID
Pic 4 Bil Dangerous dan
Pic 5 Bil NOID same as in 3

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

October 3, 2012
4:15 AM

Post #9294399

Hi Everyone!

Gosh the winds blowing real heavy today, it blew my temp shade cloth teepee straight off my veggie patch across the yard, but no rain in sight much to my disappointment.

Hi Bree, glad to hear you liked all my brom pics and got my D-Mail – yeah it worked. Yes please thanks Bree I would really luv and appreciate some of the brom’s you have separated; whatever you decide to send me would be great, but Bree you must by all means let me know if I can keep you anything from when my broms decide to pup or you may be interested in some of the vriesea seedlings that I hope will take off (time will tell). Anyway let me know when you get a chance or I will feel really bad if I don’t put something aside for you after all of the trouble you have gone to.

Hi Nev, great pics from Paul, thank you for passing on great information regarding Vr. Ospinae Gruberi, hopefully my Vr. Tiger Tim gets better soon, I have never given it a feed other than what I potting it in so I am not too sure what to do? It gets plenty of light and water like my other vriesea’s but possibly it needs something more? I can’t wait to see all my vriesea seeds germinate and am really excited about potting them up for the first time if all goes to plan (crossing my fingers big time). Nev, sorry to hear that the injection has worn off and hope all goes well when you see the surgeon in a couple of weeks.

Anyway, I better get going so can spend some time with hubby and am really hanging out for a cuppa tea.

Speak soon everyone and happy gardening!

Hope I have not missed anyone as did not refresh page prior to sending this, if I have I will catch up with you next time around.

Trish :-)

Pic 1 – Neo Imperfecta
Pic 2 – Neo Gunpower
Pic 3 – Neo Franke
Pic 4 – Vr. Machu Picchu (hope I got the spelling right) I luv the distinctive banding on this one, similar to that of king of the vr.
Pic 5 – Vr. Snows of Maunu Kea

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

October 3, 2012
4:25 AM

Post #9294404

Hi Ian

Thanks just went back into threads and spotted your thread, great advice thanks re potassium, I was thinking same a while back to give Vr. Tiger Tim a very light feed of potash (like a sprinkle), I will give it a go this weekend and let everyone know how I go. Nice pic of Splendrite pups growing happily, I hear it can take awhile for the pups to appear and that I should be patient.

Trish :-)
perke_patch

October 3, 2012
5:45 AM

Post #9294459

Hi everyone.
more on the grex names, the vrisea red dragons are a group of seedlings grown by Catlans. again it is a grex name so there are a lot of different looking red dragons around. In fact Jen dropped off a couple of hers today for our sale tables for this weekend. I haven't had a chance to check them out yet but I'll have a good look tomorrow and take a pic for you to see. we have quite a few of them too but Johnny will not part with his babies too easily.

Hi Trish. just a word of warning the vrisea seedlings take a couple years to get to a stage where they can be potted up. they are very slow growing. Billbergia seedlings are the opposite. some of mine are already big enough to pot up and they've only been down a month so I'm really looking forward to getting a batch of full grown billbergia seedlings wth lot of colour. I'm still trying to work out how to mark the pollinated bill flowers though. I've been crossing my tillandsai depeanna with vr purple princess which passes on the briliant colour of the plant so hopefully I will end up with a new till/vr hybrid. I've also been putting pollin from purple princess onto other tillandsias.

Today I picked a bucket of seeds off the vr siedeliana aka pink nova. We'll never be able to plant all of those seeds. that would be thousands of seedlings. Jen has a few pods to plant out. I've downloaded my photos but I haven't sorted them out yet but I'll go through the ones taken last few days and see what I can identify for you.

Pic 1 is a nev seedling painted lady x rosea striata.
pic 2 is an aechmea NOID possibly distichantha currently flowering.
pic 3 is a seed pod ripening on billbergia fred red. I've never seen one so fat and there 2 of them.
Pic 4 is an aechmea bert growing in full sunlight up in a tree showing the different tones achieved in different amounts of sunlight.
Pic 5 is painted lady x ? (sport) x NOID (another Nev seedling)

bedtime again.
wendy

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perke_patch

October 3, 2012
5:52 AM

Post #9294469

oh Trish love that Vr. Machu Picchu and also would love to know what type of seeds you have put down in all those takeaway trays you mentioned.

Pic 2 is another of Nev's ae leptantha x blanchetiana
Pic 1 is a random shot of some of the plants on our sales tables.
Pic 3 is another random shot of the sales tables

Night

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

October 3, 2012
12:45 PM

Post #9294875

Some Fireball crosses.
Top two are Giant fireball, bottom left(flowering) is Super Fireball x Laevis and bottom right is Fireball x Inca.
Oh and little Marbled throat in the middle.

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

October 3, 2012
7:30 PM

Post #9295231

Aaahhh, so quiet !!!

Hi everyone, we have had two of our granddaughters (sisters aged 10 and 7) here yesterday for an overnight stay. They have just been picked up by their mum and while I love having them here, it’s nice (so quiet) when they leave but it doesn’t take long before we start to miss them.

They’re really good kids and no trouble at all and actually helped me yesterday afternoon to pick up all the fallen palm fronds and sticks in the front yard and put them into the trailer. Must have worn them out because, despite reminding me several times during the afternoon that “Mum said we can stay up tonight till 9:00 o’clock” they were both sound asleep before 8:30 pm.

Anyway, I should be out doing stuff in the garden or shadehouse but it’s very hot and I might just vege for a bit. I will have to go to the post office this arvo, as I should have some new broms (pups) arriving today.

Also noticed that I have Vrieseas Fenestralis, Kiwi Cream, Erotica (I think it is), Glutinosa and Tiger Tim x Ospinae Gruberi and another one (unnamed) coming into flower so lots of vr pups on the way ... yeah!!

I also picked some seed pods off a neo mini a couple of weeks ago and spread the seed onto some seed growing mixture (prior to purchasing the coir peat) just to see if they would grow and I have quite a few that have germinated … pretty happy about that as I wasn’t too confident they would.

Wendy, I finally got around to taking pics of the 3 seedlings I took home that you were going to bin. Two of them are similar in size and colouring, the other is much larger and is totally different ... pics attached. Do you remember what they are?

Hopefully, I will be back later, bye for now

Shirley


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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

October 4, 2012
1:41 AM

Post #9295406

Hi Everyone!

Still blowing heavily over here, blowing leaves right off my brom’s which is great that have recently fallen from our Avocado tree.

Hi Wendy, nice pics of broms on your sales table, nothing nicer than going to these types of sales rather than going to nursery’s or markets because sometime you can be really blown away by what you come across that you have been chasing for some time. Thanks for your advice regarding vriesea seedling, I had read that it can take up to 2 years to get to a stage where they can be potted, lucky for me I have patience. Wendy, in answer to your question what type of seeds I have put down in the takeaway trays, they are the following vriesea’s, Honolulu Delight x Megan, Kiwi Dusk x Kiwi Cream, Forrest x Self, Kiwi Cream x Snows of Mauna Kea, Kiwi Cream x Royal Hawaiian.

Hi Bree, nice pic’s of your fireball crosses, always nice to see so much colour grouped together like that. I like especially the giant fireballs.

Hi Shirley, glad to hear your vrieseas are flowering and that you can’t wait for them to pup, if it’s not too much trouble would you mind taking pic’s of their flowers so I can see what they look like as only a couple of my vrieseas are in flower and I still do not know what flower to expect from a lot of mine as they still have a bit of growing to do.

Anyway, I better finish cooking dinner, oops nearly forgot, so easy to get caught up in this brom business lol.

Speak soon everyone and happy gardening!

Trish :-)

Pic 1 – Ae. Flamingo
Pic 2 – Neo Kiko
Pic 3 – Neo Maya
Pic 4 – Neo Inca
Pic 5 – Neo Jean Evans

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ianperry

October 4, 2012
3:41 AM

Post #9295418

Hi all, Not much happening here, all work and no play well not much anyway. Just a bit of seedling watering, a quick look around and a couple of piccies and it was dark. Bil seed pods all yellowing and this seems natural here, then they go brownish. I am doing daily checks on them. I plan to plant some more seeds on the week-end..
Have a good one
ian
Pic 1 Ae Black panther flower
Pic 2 Til Ioantha flowering
Pic 3 N mini Satsuma flowering
Pic 4 Ae Fendleri flower
Pic 5 Bil NOID flower just starting to open

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

October 4, 2012
12:38 PM

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Good morning. thanks goodness I am up early as there is so much to catch up on. Firstly, Nev, I am sorry to hear the injection wore off so quick, and I hope surgery will make the pain go away. I really feel for anyone living with chronic pain, every day. It can be very tiring. I like the info you gave on the 'Grubs' as i have heard them called (V. ospinae gruberi) I have the yellow ones, and would love a purple toned one, so am willing to swap if anyone has one. mine are full size, and potted, but I can still post them. I had a good white one, like V. 'Tiger Tim' but sold it on when going through a phase of giving it all away! Shock, horror! Yes, I have my moments too!
Trish , what a lovely bunch of friends you have, to get out in the garden with you! I don't think that plant was V. 'Lucky Len' I think it might have been one of the 'Snake Skin series' I will be seeing Jan tomorrow at the Woolgoolga garden expo, so I'll take the pic along and ask her. I don't know that I'll be buying anything, as I just gave back a job I had been baby sitting, and am now looking for a bit more work. I have my little toe in a couple of doors, so am hoping I can wedge a bit more of my foot in.
Ian, thanks for the pics showing the Billbergias and seed pods, as i am watching three flowers that I tried to pollinate, so am hoping for some seed. I think its interesting, what you say about pottasium being good for thickening up the leaves. I hadn't heard that before. I am trying Mikes (Bromalong) suggestion and watering with a solution of condys chrystals. Just the smallest amount on the tip of a label turns 9 litres of water slightly pink, and apparently that's enough to build up the plants to good health. So far so good. I am doing this nearly fortnightly.
Wendy, it sounds as though everything worked out for your daughter, getting a house close to you, at Wello point. Does she still have to commute to the theme parks? Is that the same daughter? Sounds as though you have seed coming out of your ears! I like doing the Tillandsia seed because it doesn't take up much room or effort. I have enough to keep me busy though, and about to pot up all the other brom seedlings into 100 cell trays, mostly to get them out of the choir peat, which seems to have attracted fungus gnats, (which lay larva in it, which eat brom roots)I did try spraying with a fungicide and pesticide combination, but they survived!
Shirley, aren't kids funny when they try so hard to stay up late? I wish i had a couple of kids on hand to help pick up the sticks. I have another bonfire ready, but the fire service has suspended all fire permits until after the weekend, as it must be forecast as hot and windy? Here, if we want to burn off, a fire officer comes to check your fire pile, surrounds, access to water e.t.c, and then if they feel you are not a risk, they issue a permit with conditions attached. We keep our fire piles small and I rake up around the immediate area and only burn in the evening if the breeze drops (to nothing). Anyway, i will have a few days left on my permit if they ban is lifted, but its no big deal. I can always start another pile!
bree, I enjoy seeing what pics you will post next. Nice lot of N. 'Fireballs' there.
Karen, I hope all is well with you. Did you get much rain the other day? Nothing here for awhile.
Colleen, I wish your boys had been here to enjoy the bonfire. Kids always get a kick out of it. Maybe I'll have to give our girls the hurry up to give us some grandkids
here are some more photos of Jans plants. THESE ARE NOT MINE! heh heh
Sue
photo one is Guzmania 'Bernies Gold'
Photo two is Vriesea 'Star Jewel' from NZ. I think it would be an Andrew malloy hybrid?
Photo three is Vriesea 'Crackerjack' a sport off V. 'Megan'
Photo four is Hoenbergia leopoldo-horstii, in front of Alcantarea vinicolour's
Photo five is Neo. 'Apricot Nectar' , which I no longer have, but now i know where i can get one!

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

October 4, 2012
3:36 PM

Post #9296010

Hi everyone – We've had nice sunny days for the last couple of days but yesterday the hot westerly wind decided to spoil it all and make it quite unpleasant out in the yard, so for yet another reason the make-over stops again.

I hope everyone is well ad those who are, or who have been on the sick-list are on the improve and will be well soon and back with us.

Ian – At least you got some rain which is more than I can say that we got. Regarding the Potash, over the years I have heard a lot of “bits and pieces” about the virtues of Potash but I can never find anything really "specific" such as the type of Potash, the amount given and how it's applied.

I know it's a good product as a well known Billbergia grower once told me if I wanted to improve the colour of my Bill's, I should give them a feed of Potash from time to time, but again nothing "specific" as to quantities. I tried the application at the same rates that I have worked out for most of the other fertilisers I use which is around 5 g (1 level teaspoon) per 5” pot. I used the granulated form and sprinkled it around the top of the pot and watered it in well to settle it down into the mix. After about three months the improvement in colour was very much in evidence compared to another group of the same Billbergias which I hadn't fed. A while back on here another member (I think it was Mike) said he used Potash in the form of Condy's Crystals but again no specific quantities were given, just that it was added to water until it turned to a deep pink colour. What form of Potash do you use Ian and in what quantities?

Trish – That's a really nice assortment of plants you have posted pic's of and as you probably know by now I like pretty well all brom's but I'm a very much fan of variegated Neo's and you've posted three beauties.

I don't know much about Vrieseas as space prevents me from growing many of these plants and I don't read up on them as much as Neo's. However what you say about it looking similar to the “King of the Vrieseas” (hieroglyphica) is probably a direct result from it's parents Vr. Patrice and Vr. hieroglyphica which were crossed together and this particular cultivar was registered as 'Machu Picchu' in 2000 by Bob Larnach a long respected hybridiser from Wyee in N.S.W. Bob also has many beautiful variegated Neo's in his stable as well including the ever popular Aussie Dream series and to view his work you can go to http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?fields=Breeder&id=4304&search=larnach you won't be disappointed.

Trish – Just make sure that the form of Potash you use is NOT “Condy's Crystals” as a little pinch of this would turn everything deep purple when you watered the plant and the water ran through as it's is very strong and only a tiny amount is necessary and must be mixed in water (see comments above)

Wendy – I like the two seedlings you've posted pic's of, they must like the Queensland sunshine and they are showing a bit of promise. The 'Rosea Striata' influence is very apparent in the first seedling and the other one is very much like the mother plant which was a sport from Neo. 'Painted Lady'.

I caused quite a bit of a stir on one of the forums when I first posted a pic of the mother plant and gave it's history as being a sport of 'Painted Lady' with all the experts saying it wasn't possible. I bought it as a Painted Lady and it looked identical to a Painted Lady, but the suggestion was that it was probably a Neo. ????? x Neo. Painted Lady and the first bit of the name tag had been broken off or the name removed by sun bleaching and with consequent re-pottings the name had just become 'Painted Lady'. The bottom line is that I had the sport which throws variegated pups and they now all seem to have the ability to produce a few variegated plants just like the original mother, in other words it's know as what is called a “transmitter”.

I can't tell you much about the Ae. leptantha x blanchetiana seedling as it was grown from seed that came from America. However as I look at the flowers of both parents I can only imagine that the flowers on these plants will be similar and the plants will grow rather large. I do know they don't like the cold winters down here that's why I sent them all around the warmer parts of the country as I don't like “binning” plants unnecessarily.

Breeindy – You probably don't know but your pic could have certainly started an “in depth conversation” had it been posted on other forums as Neo Fireball has probably had more discussion about it than any other brom.

It has been grown for may years and used extensively in breeding and yet the experts still can't tell us whether it's a species or a hybrid. In 1987 Nat De Leon wrote an article in the FCBS News Letter called “SOLVING THE FIREBALL MYSTERY” and he finishes up by saying: “While I am still hopeful that Neo. 'Fireball' will someday be properly named, I have not pursued the matter. After 26* years, it would be difficult to refer to Neo. 'Fireball' by any other name.
**Just for the record, it is now 53 years since the investigation first started and the mystery still remains.

Shirley – Yes grand kids, who'd be without them? I have three grand sons who live in Australia (locally) and another who unfortunately lives in Bali, however this is where his parents have their work and this is the way things are, but we do get to see them every June when they visit for 2-3 weeks. As for the local ones who range from 2-5, well when they visit it's like a bomb hits the place, and being typical kids of that age, they want to do everything immediately. We saw a swing set advertised locally so we decided to buy it so the grand kids could play on it when they visited. They did play on it; probably only once as they preferred to push each other around the yard on an old trolley I had converted with the aid of a plastic bread tray fitted to a trolley for transporting brom's up and down the yard. Who said simple things weren't the best?

It's good to see you're rescuing some of Wendy and Johnny's culls. It's very difficult to toss healthy young seedlings, however we just can't keep them all due to space restraints. It's also very difficult to imagine what they will look like in adulthood and consequently quite a lot of good ones are unfortunately tossed along with the rubbish. Out of the three you have shown there I find No.3 could be interesting with it's “different” colouring, but only time will tell.

Sue – That's a great array of colour in your pic's today but out of the lot, Neo 'Apricot Nectar' would have to be my favourite, it's such a beautiful and unusual colour for a Neo., too bad you lost it.

Seeing you liked Paul's collection of Vr gruberi so much, I'll finish off with a few more just to put the icing on the cake.

All the best, Nev.

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ianperry

October 5, 2012
2:07 AM

Post #9296367

Hi all, another good day and it was productive. After work i started listing my Neos Well i have done the pool area and plan to continue in the bush house tomorrow. I also planted 6 trays of seed, Some of these are Bils, let's see what happens.
About Potassium. i use KMnO4, potassium permanganate or Condys chrystals mixed in water. The Pic below shows how much i am using. I bought a 50gm bottle from the chemist for about $8.oo. I dip my tweesers in about 5 mm and grab some chrystals and this is plenty for 9 litre bucket of water. Tea colour to light pink. Then I dunk the pot into a tub or bucket and water it soaks the entire mix. I also spray my seedlings with it. 1 lot of mixed then 2 lots of tap water. Every 2 months I use a fertiliser, manutec bloom booster or African voilet mix.
I spent an afternoon with Mike from Tannum Sands learning and left overloaded with both plants and information. I don't know if it is the same person but part of what he told me was to join a forum if I want to learn. That was 1 suggestion that I did listen to and acted on. I forgot to ask Mike how much condys to use, so I am guessing and my plants are growing
Have a good one.
Ian

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perke_patch

October 5, 2012
6:36 AM

Post #9296443

Hi everyone
I did read all posts last night and wrote a reply but then went looking for pics to post and ended up resorting photos and transferring all onto a new 3T external hard drive. My old external drive was full so to keep them all in one spot I had to get a bigger drive. I think 3T will keep me going for a while and store logs of pics. Don't know what happened to my post. I did hope it would be on here but obviously I just forgot about it and closed down last night. Nev I hope your knee is not causing you too much angst. Johnny is having problems with his again now. not swelling but certainly a bit of pain. talk about grumpy and hard to live with. When Emily gets cranky I say to her "no cranky girls allowed in this house" yesterday she came back with "only cranky men" and looked at Pa with a grin as she said it. Of course he came back with "I'm not cranky" and everyone laughed. He does enjoy having the girls here but grumbles all the time about being 'used' by Jess when she can't be bothered with them. Jess is my daughter-in-law. she has given up the dreamworld job when she got her first 2 weeks pay and realised it was so little it didn't cover her petrol bill driving here to drop the girls off then on to dreamworld. she is looking for a local job now so she drops the girls off while she goes round giving out her resume and asking for work.

Sue pic 1 is for you to show a very fat seed pod on billbergia fred red. I didn't cross this so obviously nature did a good job for me as there are 2 fat ones on this bill. I was told to watch for the pod to change colour and go soft and squishy and it would be ready to harvest. So when I see them going brown I see if they will come off into my hand. when they are ready you only have to touch them and they let go. Sue if you want an apricot nectar I have a few pups potted now and growing at different stages so let me know if you want one of them.

pic 2 is seedlings of billbergia charlie webb f2 sown on 8.8.2012. so this is less than a month of growth.
pic 3 is seedlings of bill mexicana also sown on 8.8.2012. they are a bit smaller than charlie webb but still grew very quick.
pic 4 is my billbergia hallelujah seedlings sown in Feb and now potted up.
pic 5 are my first lot of billbergia seedlings that had a berry of seed from he dead flower. This pic was back in April so they have grown a bit since. I'll get some pics tomorrow as they are now starting to stand up and look like they might form a tube soon. Can't get over billbergia seedlings hanging out over the sides of the pots instead of upright in a tube. I have been using a bit of fertiliser on them to make them grow but since I've eased up they are growing up instead of out.

Max (our dog) is fine after his surgery today. Jen was here at 3pm when Johnny insisted that I phone the vet to see if he could pick him up. he was starting to fret without his mate here. I had to laugh when I made lunch today and called Johnny to come upstairs and heard him call out "I'm going upstairs for a cuppa Max". Habits are hard to break. Max understands every word Johnny tells him. If he says to him "I'm going upstairs to get a cuppa. You wait here and I'll bring it back down" Max will actually sit at the bottom of the stairs waiting for him. He knows what he is supposed to do. Anyway his teeth are now out and one was very infected. When they rolled him over to do the second tooth he had a substantial discharge from the nose so they collected a sample and checked it under the microscope and it is a streptocochal infection but not a substantial one so the vet is pretty sure it is coming from the tooth infection. We have to keep changing his water every couple hours so the strepto bug doesn't keep coming back. We suddenly thought about Max drinking from the tadpole pond. That water doesn't run, it just sits there with tadpoles in it so we wonder if that is where the strepto bug is coming from. Anyway we've now put a few pots in front of the pond so he can't get to it. we now have a smaller dish for him with clean water in it. we'll lock him upstairs tomorrow in case he is in a bit of pain and cranky. don't want to risk him getting upset with our visitors.

Anyway we have a busy couple days so I must be off tobed now.
Night all
Wendy

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

October 5, 2012
12:33 PM

Post #9296717

good luck with your sales this weekend, Wendy and I hope Max is feeling some relief with the old teeth removed. I might take you up on your N. 'Apricot Nectar' when i come up next, but only if you happen to have one available. Don't sit one aside, as who knows when my next visit will be? I think it might be a motorcycle trip, so no room for plants anyway.
Nev, thanks for the pics of the 'Grubs' It can be a bit deceiving because there are two plants there that I think might be the same, one grown in shade and the other in high light. i will have to take a couple of pics of mine to show you what i mean. Some con artists would put the two side by side and tell you that you need both to complete the collection, only to find out they are the same plant!
Ian, yes, thats the Mike i refer to. He is very generous with his information, and in the past, with plants also. I am using the condys chrystals on his advice. I err on the side of a weak solution, as all the advice I've been given for fertilising broms, is weak, weekly. I'm not doing it weekly, but fortnightly, as it can be a bit time consuming in a large collection.
When i was at Bonville broms, they had a wheelie bin with a pump attached, which they could park in the midst of a row, fill with water and fertiliser mix, then with a long hose, walk around and fertilise alot of plants before having to move the bin and refill it. It was a great idea. Thankfully my collection is not that big,...yet! heh heh.
Well, its cooled off this morning, after a stinking hot day yesterday, and hopefully it will be a nice day for the mini garden expo at Woolgoolga. There will be a couple of bromeliad stalls, that i know of, and the orchid show is at the same venue, so i will be there a little bit before the 9am start to get a good parking spot.
I hope that the fires on the central coast aren't threatening anyone close to you, and lets keep our fingers crossed that there aren't too many more fires this year.
Do we want a new thread? Would anyone else like to start one?
Open a new tab, go to daves garden. Click on the Aussie forum, scroll to the bottom and choose 'new topic' put up a stunning pic (to draw people in) and a blurb about where we came from, then go back to your original tab (that has this thread on it) copy the address from the top, and go to the second tab and paste it in your post. then send.
Once that is done, view your new thread, copy the address from that one, and go back to your original tab, (with this thread) and paste the address for the new one.
Clear as mud? I'll give it till tomorrow, and if no one has had a go, I'll do it.
photos are of Billbergia 'super Duper Grace'. I bought a pup of this one.
it is very similar, in colour, to B. 'Afterglow' and B. 'Estrella' but it has a nice flared shape to the top.
Sue

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

October 5, 2012
2:57 PM

Post #9296809

Hi everyone – Well at last some good news on the rain topic, it has been dropping fine drizzle all night here and although it's not great in volume, it's been good enough to give everything a good damping down and “settle the dust” so to speak. They have also forecast a bit of rain today so let's hope it continues. It's not going to hold up the backyard makeover as I have to go to the monthly brom meeting today anyway so everything is fitting in well with my plans for a change.

Ian – Thanks for the description of the quantity of Condy's Crystals you use. It seems to be pretty much what Mike described when he wrote about it but it's much better when it's backed up by a pic; as they say a picture's worth a thousand words.

My main concern was that Condy's may stain the leaves as I remember when I was working and one of the many complaints we treated in the industrial ambulance arena was a type of Tinea caused by working in the very hot environment around steel furnaces. The treatment was to soak the feet in a similar coloured solution of Condy's Crystals for about twenty minutes. This came to us after being made up in the Central Laboratory and was made up by the gallon as required. After about three treatments the toenails would turn a yellowish/brown and in fact we used to tell some of the heavy smokers that it was the nicotine which was causing the staining and it was amazing to see the funny look on their faces until they realised we were joking with them.

I have used the Manutec fertiliser and find it great for brom's as is Phostrogen, but I've never used the African Violet mix. Could you tell us the brand and what the NPK is? I know I'm full of questions but after all, aren't these forums all about the sharing of knowledge?

I've also been told that hydroponic supply shops sell potassium in a liquid form for growing vegetables hydroponically. I haven't followed this up but maybe it's a solution of Condy's Crystals also, does anyone here know?

The Mike from Tannum Sands you spent the afternoon with sounds like the same Mike that visited here a while back and was also a great believer in the good results that could be obtained by using Condy's Crystals. He seemed to be a pretty knowledgeable man and didn't mind sharing his knowledge and hopefully he'll be back soon as he did say his work would take him off the forums for a while.

Wendy – I'm very pleased to hear that Max is OK after his surgery and knowing just how close he and Johnny are I'll bet Johnny was a worried man all the time Max was away. I think that the saying of “a dog is man's best friend” is an understatement, I know I still miss my little mate and still have moments when I look at the empty places where he used to like to sleep and still get a bit choked up, so it's good that everything turned out well for Johnny and Max.

What you say about “cranky old men” is very true and it's not until we have some sort of treatment that relieves the chronic pain that we realise just how cranky we really were towards everyone especially the ones we love. I think because the pain comes on gradually until it's a chronic day to day thing, it's effects on other people aren't recognised until an argument erupts and we have time to think about what caused it. We can really only apologise after the event but that doesn't alter the circumstances and no matter how hard we try, sometimes the pain gets on top of us and before we know it we are taking it out on others.

I had the same sort of surprise when I grew my first Bill's from seed; they were Bill 'Rosea' and they looked like grass which just grew and grew until they eventually fell over the side of the container but I think the problem with mine was not too much fertiliser but the fact that they weren't grown in enough light to allow them the toughen up. It doesn't happen so much with Neo's in the same area as they are slower growers. In the end when I transplanted a few of the Bill seedlings, I picked out the largest and pruned the leaves back by about half to assist them to stand up in the pot. The cut leaf tips eventually died back a bit but then the new centre leaves started to grow and they soon overtook the cut leaved and started to form a tube.

I'm quite pleased with myself as I have my first lot of Bill seeds almost ready to harvest. They are slightly larger than the one in Wendy's first pic. and are just starting to go yellow so I think they're ready to harvest (I hope they're not rotting instead). There are pods on both of the plants I used as I did the reverse cross as well. The parents are Bill 'Fruit Salad' (unreg) which I got from Wendy and a seedling Billbergia from a Rick Cairns cross of Bill. 'Hallelujah' x 'Fred Red'. When grown in good light they are both nice colourful plants even when not in flower so I'm hopeful of something worthwhile out of the crosses.

Sue – The pic's of the two “Grubs” that look alike are probably my fault as I probably posted the same plants twice. I had the pic's from the old forum and then on my request Paul sent me a few others just to totally confuse me. However I agree with what you say about unscrupulous growers “conning” buyers into buying the same plant twice when they are both grown in different areas to give a different appearance. This has always happened in the past and I imagine it will continue to happen in the future and I guess it's just a case of “buyer beware”.

Sue, when you use the Condy's Crystals how soon do you flush the plants with water after you have fertilised and do you spray the foliage or water it over the whole plant and the mix to give the same effect as Ian when he dips his plants. I know, more questions!

That's a great idea about the Wheelie Bin and pump for fertilising, I must store that one for future reference. I have a 1000L tank on a pallet which I got from the quarry where they get them full of a product made from oranges to spray on the blue metal heaps to control the dust. When they are empty they are just dumped as they have to pay more to transport them back to the distributor to get back the deposit than its worth. Consequently all the quarry workers and their friends now have these tanks hooked up to a down pipe to catch rain water for their gardens. I couple mine up to a 100L tank in which I can mix fertiliser and then pump it out around the plants through my normal garden hose and nozzle. Unfortunately I don't do it nearly as often as I should and I fear that's one of the reasons why my plants suffered from the cold so much this year, especially the Bill's. Your 'Super Duper Grace' looks terrific, was it one of Grace Goodes hybrids or perhaps named in her honour?

That's about it for today and I'll finish with some Billbergia pic's. Firstly my plant of Bill. 'Fruit Salad' not long after I cross-pollinated it. It's pretty plain and devoid of colour due to the over-fertilisation to force growth and unlike what it should look like in Wendy's picture of her plant which she posted previously. Pic 2 shows the other parent of my cross and is Bill. 'Hallelujah' x 'Fred Red'. The next two pic's show how growing without fertiliser in excessive light can give you almost white Bill's (not everyone's cup of tea) Pic 3 is Bill 'De Nada' and Pic 4 is Bill. 'Fascinator'. Finally Pic 5 which is Bill. 'Muriel Waterman'

All the best, Nev.

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brombirdie
Brisbane
Australia

October 6, 2012
3:16 AM

Post #9297229

Hi everyone, thanks for all the great information and photos. I've had a very busy and enjoyable week bromwise. Last weekend I visited Sue and her garden is looking beautiful. The photos don't do it justice. So many things are flowering and Sue has quirky knick knacks everywhere. My favourite was the old washing tub with allysum (?) and plates. It won first prize in the garden competition. Great job Sue. On Monday Sue, Belinda and I visited Jan and John Townsend just south of Coff's Harbour. They are lovely people with a great collection and made us feel very welcome. Well worth a visit if you are down that way. We all came away with additions to our collections.
Sorry I didn't make it down as far as your place this time Nev. Love your grub photos and especially your Billbergias. I found an Estrella lurking behind some Aechmeas so will get around to sending it down soon. I'd love to swap for a few of your Bill seedlings if you didn't mind parting with a few. Your Vr platynema seedlings have settled in well and the Neo Painted Lady ones have germinated so I'm looking forward to watching them grow. The Thunderbird F2 has a beautiful almost iridescent red centre. Have posted a photo below but haven't really caught the glow. Hope the doctors can do something to give you some relief for your knee.
Ian, thanks for the info about Condy's crystals. Definitely on my list of things to try. Your photos are lovely. You certainly have a wide variety of broms.
Trish your seedlings sound very interesting. Well done. Perhaps when we've all got seedlings everywhere we could swap some just to add a bit of variety. Your Neo photos are pretty, especially Kiko.
Shirley, you've got some interesting ones coming into flower. Are you going to try crossing any. Sounds like you've caught the seed growing bug too. I'm amazed that it's not as daunting as it sounds. Just takes time and patience. And so exciting wondering what you're going to get. I can't wait to lift the lids and see what's happening. I know your not supposed to keep disturbing them but I can't resist. Alan Ladd told us that you should put the containers back in the same direction as the seedlings don't like changes.
Bree, I love the colour of your Fireball crosses. Did you do the crosses yourself?
Think I'm going to have an early night. It was Wendy and Johnny's sale today and I'm very lucky that they let me sell some of my broms there too. It was crazy. From 8.30 until 11.00 we just didn't stop. After a short lull it was on again. Worse than Myer's Boxing Day sales. Wendy's broms are looking stunning with such a variety of colours, shapes and sizes. It was fun watching people's reactions and listening to their comments. "Wow!" was definitely the word of the day. And then we do it all over again tomorrow!
Fingers crossed, Karen that we get some rain next week. Hope you are well and your broms are enjoying the warm weather.
1. Nev's Neo Thunderbird F2 2. Neo Jeffrey Block for Sue. It's huge. Feet are for comparison. 3. Neo Freddie. Love the shape. 4. Vriesea Zapita mum for Sue 5. Vriesea Smudgegrub, a sport of gruberi Tiger Tim.
Night all, Jen

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ianperry

October 6, 2012
4:31 AM

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Hi all, Another day hot and sunny, a good day for a clean up which was badly needed.I mowed the dust bowl and found some grass there. Plenty of leaves as well that I will use for mulch or garden build up.
Nev I had the crazy thought of growing broms hydroponically but as I said it was just a crazy thought, might bear some more investigation though. I don't even know if threre is anyone supplying hydroponics gear locally.
The African violet food is again by luck rather than because I like the brand, manutec with a NPK ratio of 14:15:11.5. I used to use it on my Bonsai plants. i use at half strength.
You have given me another idea just using light and a Bil that I have here, I think it is Bil Nutans schimperiana, a broud leaf variety of Queens tears, Bil Nutans. It has the same flower but grows much bigger. I could have 1 in direct sunlight, 1under 70% shadecloth and 1 well back in the protected enviroment of the bush house to see what difference it really makes. Obviously they will have different requirements for water, more sun more water.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Til usenoides flower
Pic 2 Vr glutinosa pups
Pic 3 Bil Dangerous dan flower nearly opened

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perke_patch

October 6, 2012
4:47 AM

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Hi everyone. I've started a new thread at http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1283582/
see you all there.

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