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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 21, 2012
10:13 AM

Post #9311275

I got my order from Bob Selman at Blueridge last week. As usual, he sent nice clumps, with at least 3-5 fans of each, and lots of bonus plants. I ordered 10 plants, and he sent 11 bonus plants. The pic shows 17 plants. Two were ordered for a friend, and I gave her two of the bonuses as well. These plants are a week old, so they don't look as good a when I first got them. Today I'll be soaking them in water. Tomorrow they'll get planted. I still need to leave positive feedback for him on eBay. I also need to leave some positive comments on the Garden Watchdog is well.

Karen

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karen13771
Toledo, OH

October 21, 2012
2:53 PM

Post #9311462

Karen you have beautiful plants from Bob Selman. Wow, 11 gift plants! It was nice of you to share some with your friend. I planted my order from him on october 6, and they are greening up nicely . I had to go out and cut a flower scape off Egyptian Queen. I couldn't believe that came out so soon after I planted it. He definately deserves positive feedback. I don't know how to leave feedback on The Watchdog unfortunately. Karen
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

October 22, 2012
6:06 AM

Post #9311968

Karen, do you not have any trouble planting them this late?? I really don't plant any later than August here.
karen13771
Toledo, OH

October 22, 2012
6:31 AM

Post #9311993

hemlady, So far I have never lost a fall planted daylily. My two sons also plant in their yards in the fall without losing any. I always say I am not going to because of the risk, then I see a sale or one i really want. I just planted Rachel Klee on october 18. My son had received it as a gift plant and gave it to me.We will see how it does since I usually stop planting the first week of october. All plants will be mulched for winter. Karen

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 22, 2012
8:24 AM

Post #9312118

Thanks, Karen! I'm always thrilled when I get an order from him. I have to clarify that I didn't actually "share" the plants with my friend. She had ordered 2 to include in my order, which she paid for, including shipping, so she got 2 bonus plants as well.

Planting at this time is not a problem for me, usually. We don't get any hard freezes until Dec., for the most part. Like Karen from OH, I see stuff on sale this time of the year, and can't resist. Then do you plant or let them overwinter in the pots? Sometimes I'll have a loss from planting this late, but then you can lose ones in the pots, too. It's a risk, yes, but most of what I'm planting this time of the year is stuff I've gotten on sale, and I lose very little, if any, so I don't feel so bad if I do lose something.

Karen

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

October 22, 2012
10:19 AM

Post #9312241

Karen we are happy for you and your friend with all those plants. Do you mind sharing the names? I have planted as late as mid November with no problem.
Gift plant from Bob a season ago. Great Goodness Gracious

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hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

October 22, 2012
3:10 PM

Post #9312463

Mine seem to get crown rot or just plain don't make it through the winter. Our last few winters, however, have been milder than usual so maybe they would be alright after all.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

October 22, 2012
3:25 PM

Post #9312475

FYI. Bob have 23 pages listed on the LA.
Kisses Like Wine. gift plant from Bob.

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KsMirasol
Liberal, KS

October 22, 2012
6:52 PM

Post #9312646

LA, what or where is this? It has been mentioned several times don't know what that is, just curious.

Martina

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 22, 2012
7:26 PM

Post #9312667

Thanks, Mike. The ones I got are: SKINWALKER, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, LINDY TWIRL, RASPBERRY WINTER, WINTER IN EDEN, SPACECOAST STARBURST, SPACECOAST TINY PERFECTION and ELECTRIC MIST. I have to say I don't remember what I got for bonuses. I'll have to try and write down the names tomorrow and I'll let you know. I know one of the ones I gave to my friend was DRIPPING WITH GOLD (bonus). I have that one already, and it has not done well for me. Only one fan, and I've had it for several years. Moved it to another location this year, and will see what happens. She ordered SKINWALKER AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. We both got those. Nice bonuses, btw.

Cindy, I had a few die from crown rot last winter. I had potted them up, rather late, I might add, in Miracle Grow potting soil. Anyhow, they had been soaking a long time in water prior to being potted. Also, it seems that the potting soil stayed wet all winter, or it was quite wet when I took them out of the pots in the spring. That, and the fact that they were soaking too long, I attribute to the cause of the crown rot.

Martina, the LA is the Lily Auction. Go here http://daylily.com/ and click on the Lily Auction. Beware: it's very addicting!

Karen
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

October 23, 2012
9:38 AM

Post #9313129

We seem to get very wet in early spring and in fall. That probably is the main reason for rot here. We have had more rain the last 2 weeks than we had the whole month of August I believe.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 23, 2012
6:30 PM

Post #9313546

We can get really wet in spring and fall, too, but this year is not bad so far. A good amount of rain, but not too much.

Darn, forgot to go outside and take a look and write down what I got for bonuses.

Karen
twmccla
Wynnburg
United States

October 28, 2012
8:59 PM

Post #9318574

He is absolutely one of my favorite sellers:) I have bought several different times this year and am waiting on my last order I sent last week...He is amazing with the gift plants and always wants to make sure you are happy!! I am wanting some of his newer intros but just can't let myself turn loose of that much money:)

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 28, 2012
9:02 PM

Post #9318577

Yes, I've ordered from him twice this year and once last year. Will continue to order from him.

Karen
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

October 30, 2012
5:34 AM

Post #9319899

Well we sure are catching up on rain. Sandy is pounding us with wind and rain today. It's amazing that it is reaching us here in Michigan.

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

October 30, 2012
5:55 AM

Post #9319912

Cindy, it look like it is coming this way also. I know Blueridge gardens is getting rain right now.
hemlady
Melvindale, MI
(Zone 5a)

October 30, 2012
6:48 AM

Post #9319977

Well I would rather have the rain than snow any day, lol.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 30, 2012
7:39 PM

Post #9320660

Me too!

Karen

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

October 30, 2012
10:25 PM

Post #9320767

I will add a third to that , snow is pretty to look at ,and that is about all!!!
Weather is much the same here as hemlady, it has been really odd that last decade and in recent years it seems like I having to re-learn things.
While I am not a professional at gardening I am experienced at it . Only nature is teaching me a whole new set games lately.
While I have not actually seen what seems to be crown rot I have seen a few turn yellow and never return, Until recent years I would not have thought that possible!!!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

October 31, 2012
8:06 AM

Post #9321044

That yellowing and dying could be crown rot. It happens not only when conditions are too wet, but also when they too dry, from what I've heard.

Karen
gen2026
Camden, AR

October 31, 2012
12:36 PM

Post #9321243

Well, I guess it is good you are getting rain, but I am sure you don't need it measured in feet!! or all at once. Even though we have had several nice rains, and things are a lot better, we are still below normal. :( It has just been a REALLY weird year here - almost no winter - 85+ degrees by the second week in March - then a cold snap, then super hot, then NO RAIN... now a little rain, but not enough to get us out of deficit and we should be making it up this time of year. They are calling for a colder winter, that is much wetter than normal... oh joy :(

Although I do hope it gets cold enough to kill off at least some of our mosquitoes!!! They have been horrible all summer even with the drought!!


I heard them say on the radio earlier today that Sandy is headed into Canada and beyond today...she really packed a punch!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 2, 2012
8:38 PM

Post #9323280

Genna, do you have too worry about west Nile virus and eastern equine encephalitis in your area? We have that here, a well a lyme disease from ticks.

Karen
gen2026
Camden, AR

November 5, 2012
11:44 AM

Post #9325415

Yes! They have had a LOT of cases of West Nile in Arkansas this year - several deaths from it as well this year so far. It has been really bad!! I don't have horses, but I know years and years ago they did a lot of vacinations for some type of equine encelphalitis - I was probably about 8 (40 yrs ago) and we had a lot of horses at the time and there was a big push to make sure every horse in the state got this vaccination that year...not sure if that is the same disease. Since I don't own horses, I am not sure if it is still an issue, but i would suspect it is . We have LOTS of mosquitos... have a big problem with heartworm disease in dogs for the same reason. I was looking at dogs - searching for a new breed- and wanted a collie until I found out that they were deathly allergic to the medicine for heart worms... I know there is no way they could live long here without that medicine, so that breed had to be marked off my list.

We have lyme disease too. It is so difficult to diagnose. Some other tick fevers too although they are fairly rare. My youngest son went to Africa in the Summer of 2011 on a mission trip, and came back with _ _ tick fever... an African version! Went he was hospitalized his temp was 105.6!! Thankfully they put him on some high powered antibiotics immediately and got it under control pretty quickly. They even sent the tick to the CDC because he had saved it! :)

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 5, 2012
8:03 PM

Post #9325716

Wow, that tick fever sounds bad!

I think that encephalitis your talking about is the same one. Problem is, people can get it, too. It causes the brain to swell, which causes brain damage, that is if the victim doesn't end up dying from it.

Karen
gen2026
Camden, AR

November 7, 2012
9:34 AM

Post #9326964

I think that is why there was such a huge push to vaccinate when I was young... don't ever remember hearing so much 'stir' about it since then although i would think they would want to continue to make that push ...shoot, I am old enough that maybe that was the first time they had the vaccine available or something. I can't remember the specifics, but I remember our farm was used as one of the collection points for people in the area to bring their horses to receive the vaccination. We had hundreds of horses there for shots!

The tick fever my son Kyle had was bad...thankfully, we were in Little Rock at my oldest son's home when he became so sick. He came home sick off the trip late Thursday night, but just thought he had a stomach bug. We were in LR on Saturday working on my son's home when it became apparent he was getting a LOT worse. Because we were in LR, we were able to take him to the Children's hospital ER - and they immediately called their infectious disease dr and he got right on it telling them what antibiotics combos to start etc and what tests he wanted done. We would have probably be in a real mess had we been home and went to our local hospital. :( They don't have anyone who specializes in infectious diseases etc.

Do ya'll have West Nile in your state too? from what i understand it has been very widespread this year.



nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 7, 2012
8:54 PM

Post #9327545

Kyle is very lucky, indeed. That's good he pulled through.

We do have West Nile here as well. Towards the end of summer the Towns were spraying, and people were being told to stay inside in the evenings and at night. The town next to ours had a sign up saying that all outdoor activities were banned because of the danger of getting West Nile and EEE.

Karen

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 7, 2012
9:37 PM

Post #9327557

I got back up after a nap here, reading these I have heard of some terrible tales that go with West Nile virus ,no fever is a good fever when it is a plague, scary stuff !!!

I have seen Skinwalker and Spacecoast Starburst Pretty !! I willl look the others up , I now have a Spacecoast with a cross but it is not the same flower, Man are some of these nice !!! Be looking forward to seeing more later.
I believe all of you here are delightful, how nice it is to share the ideas and the garden with some who understand!!

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 9, 2012
9:23 AM

Post #9328850

Thanks, juhur7. I love sharing my pics and gardening adventures/advice with others.

Karen

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

November 12, 2012
5:04 AM

Post #9330887

We can never get enough knowledge and pics when it comes to gardening. That's one of the reasons why we anticipate tomorrow with eagerness and great expectation. Now, if only our health would cooperate. Smile !

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 12, 2012
8:01 PM

Post #9331669

Yes, Mike, if only. I have to admit, though, that many of my health problems are caused by me not taking care of myself. Sad to say.

I finally wrote down the names of the daylilies I got for bonuses from Bob. They are as follows:

SILVER RIPPLES
AMERICAN ORIGINAL (already have, but will add the extra fans to the existing chump)
MOON MATCH
ASHEVILLE BELE CHERE
ISLESWORTH
LOOK LUCKY
SEA SWEPT DREAMS
DRIPPING WITH GOLD

Karen

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

November 13, 2012
4:45 AM

Post #9331808

Nice batch there Karen.
karen13771
Toledo, OH

November 13, 2012
6:48 AM

Post #9331920

Karen, I received Dripping With Gold from Bob last year as a gift plant. I love it. I purchased Asheville Bele Chere this fall . How lucky for you that you got it for a gift.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 14, 2012
8:19 AM

Post #9332953

Yes, he gave me some nice gifts. He always does.

Karen
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

November 14, 2012
5:25 PM

Post #9333392

Karen you should really enjoy Ashville Belle Chere. I love mine. I got it last year.

Linda

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 14, 2012
7:49 PM

Post #9333510

I'm really looking forward to seeing that, and many others, bloom next year. I've gotten so many new ones this year. Next season promises to be really exciting.

Karen
gen2026
Camden, AR

November 15, 2012
1:59 PM

Post #9334086

LOL... ok ya'll well, you did it. This thread kept popping up, and popping up, until I finally broke down and ordered from Bob! ^_^ I am blaming it all on ya'll. But, I only ordered 4.

Persian Ruby, Lunar Max, SC Hot Topic, and Sunset Blvd.

They will ship tomorrow.

Genna

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

November 15, 2012
5:14 PM

Post #9334223

Genna, you are going to love Persian Ruby. Got SC Hot Topic from Bob last year

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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 15, 2012
5:39 PM

Post #9334238

Good for you, Genna. He heee! I don't have any of those, but I do have a friend who's going to give me PR.

Karen
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

November 16, 2012
5:38 PM

Post #9335042

Karen(s) Here is my ASHVILLE BELE CHERE in it's first year blooming

The first one was 7/6 in the afternoon and the second one a week later taken in the morning so it looks more lavendar.

Hopefully it will look more lavendar next year. A very pretty bloom though

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nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 16, 2012
7:38 PM

Post #9335141

Oh yes, very pretty Linda. Can't wait to see mine bloom next year.

Karen

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

November 17, 2012
2:58 PM

Post #9335710

I just ordered 5 more from Bob on the LA. I got ORANGE ELECTRIC, TROPICAL HEAT WAVE, SPACECOAST FANCY DANCER, RED RAMPAGE & LAURA HARWOOD. All triple fans for 9.99. In September I purchased about 11 from him on eBay and got about 7 bonus plants. They were also 9.99 each but they were double fans, that's why I like him on La better. You get triple fans for the same price. Here is the eBay order:

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hostages
Wyoming, MN

November 17, 2012
8:02 PM

Post #9335916

I also like the height at which Bob trims his plants. some I have received from others are so short that it takes them longer to get established. I think that is why I got to see so many of my new purchases from him bloom. I know it is generally recommended that you cut off scapes on new plants, but I think that is for me to decide.

Gary

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

November 18, 2012
1:36 AM

Post #9335975

You are right about that! Come to think about it, looks like most were triple fans anyway. :)

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 18, 2012
10:54 AM

Post #9336251

I've pretty much always gotten triple fans from my Ebay orders from him. Often four fans. Those look great, viginiarose.

Karen

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

November 18, 2012
12:39 PM

Post #9336322

I have viewed some of his offers on the LA ,,sometime ,,those are really nice,If someone would of told me how the daylilies could look when we talking about them and genetics fifty years ago,I could not even imagine what has become!!
Really nice work the Hybridizers do, incredible ,from pro's and gardeners alike...
l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

November 18, 2012
1:40 PM

Post #9336370

Hi everyone,

I am already looking at some more plants from Bob! I am wondering if any of you have any experience with these. They are all quite tall and quite colorful. I was going to buy them on the LA, as was said before...triple fans.

If anyone has these, please let me know how it has fared in your yard.

DESIREE (late)
JAZZ AFTER FIVE (df one of bob's)
HEAVENLY DRAGON FIRE (df)
ISABEL MARAFFI (df a nice double by Trimmer)
SWEDISH NIGHTINGALE
MAXFIELD PARRISH
TWILIGHT SECRETS
HIGH ROLLER
PEACOCK MAIDEN (a UFO)

Also, any experience with CURVE on the LA?

I like CEDAR SHINGLES, APACHE UPRISING, WHITE HOUSE LADY AND ANDREW CHRISTIAN

Thanks, Linda

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

November 18, 2012
5:09 PM

Post #9336519

Curve is very nice, he has nothing but good feedback and is a good communicator, I like his prices and selection. I ordered ten for spring delivery.

susan

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

November 18, 2012
5:45 PM

Post #9336554

I have gotten several from Curvin. I am very pleased with his plants.
White House Lady showing different faces.

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l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

November 18, 2012
7:51 PM

Post #9336675

Hmnnnnn

The picture I saw of White House Lady was a very large bloom with petals and sepals falling backward so looking nothing like yours.

Thanks

Linda

HazelCrestMikeB

HazelCrestMikeB
Hazel Crest, IL
(Zone 5a)

November 18, 2012
8:05 PM

Post #9336687

If you google it you will see the various forms. Got mine from Curvin also.
karen13771
Toledo, OH

November 19, 2012
7:05 AM

Post #9336997

Linda, I have High Roller and love it. too bad I don't know how to post pictures to the computer. It is one I would replace if it did not survive. It has grown very well for me.I do not have any of the others you have asked about.I have Heavenly Dragon Fire on my wish list. My son gave me Heavenly Energizer and Heavenly Doppler Effect and I had gotten Heavenly Beginnings from Bob a couple years ago. All are very nice.My son has Jazz After Five and really likes it. Karen

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

November 19, 2012
7:12 AM

Post #9337004

Let's start a new thread for curvin, I would like to talk more about this seller.

White HOuse Lady is very beautiful. :)

My order from Blueridge has been shipped, I told him he could. Bob is such an easy person to work with! Here is what I am getting, does anyone have any of these?

ORANGE ELECTRIC
TROPICAL HEAT WAVE
SPACECOAST FANCY DANCER
RED RAMPAGE
LAURA HARWOOD

All triple fans. :)
gen2026
Camden, AR

November 19, 2012
2:34 PM

Post #9337367

Got my order in today! received Christie Dixon, Cochineal Canvas, Jungle Butterfly, and Forever Island as my gifts. They are big healthy plants as usual, and they are triple fans too. I think I may have Jungle Butterfly already... but if I do, it is one of the first one's I purchased from the coop from Dan Hansen that I lost the tag too... but the name sure sounds familiar. But, now I know I have it and I can add it to my excel sheet where I am trying to track my DLs.

Now, to just get them in the ground. Probably won't happen today because the mail just ran and it is almost dark here. Plus, I got up super early this morning because my youngest son had surgery this morning and spent the biggest part of the day at the hospital. It never ceases to amaze me how exhausting the sitting and waiting is ! :)

Maybe tomorrow when I get off work...

l2le
Rio Rancho, NM
(Zone 7b)

November 19, 2012
3:41 PM

Post #9337428

Thanks Karen and Mike & Genna...

I think I'lll go ahead and get them all! I was kind of trying to knock a few out of that list so it would be less money, but I really like all of them. Even the evergreens do pretty well here as long as they get enough water.

I'm digging up the Mexican Primrose that has rooted itself where I had my tree removed, then I'll add some soil and compost to the sand, set up the drip system (I already have some in that area anyway) and dig it down a little deeper and "voila" I will have a nice new daylily bed.!

My only concern is the wind. This particular spot is pretty much in the open, so hope these tall ones don't tumble over. I'm going to have them shipped in May instead of trying to get them going now. I think they will have a better start that way. Who knows, I might even get some blooms next summer. LOL

ViginiaRose, I don't have any of those particular lilys, but sure do have a bunch from Bob. He has been so good to me the last few years and I always go back to him. When I buy from Bob, I always check them on his website, Blooming Auction, the LA and E-Bay, because his prices can vary. These ones that I want are off the LA and he had said he was trying to clean out a few, so I'm pretty sure that's why they are mostly triple fans. I also compare what he is asking for his plants to other sellers, and his prices are usually less...not always, but usually.

Linda

After this, I will have one of Benz's red ones... Apache Uprising !

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

November 19, 2012
5:43 PM

Post #9337528

I got my order from Bob today, I ordered five and got five bonus plants. The bonuses were CINDERELLA STORY, COCHINEAL CANVAS, JUNGLE BUTTERFLY, CHRISTINE DIXON, FOREVER ISLAND.

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Casshigh
Cartersville, GA

November 19, 2012
6:22 PM

Post #9337558

We got our order today from Bob Selman at Blue Ridge Daylilies. I had bought 2 Dancing On Air TF from the Lily Auction Store. Instead of receiving 6 fans, we got 11 fans! We will have a huge instant clump of blooms next summer. I will space them out a little so both clumps will have some space for growth. It is later than I would prefer to be receiving daylilies, but the other option was to wait until May to receive them when they would be facing a hot, dry summer here. I will throw some alfalfa pellets and milorganite in the holes and mulch well and that should help them to get through the winter. It does not get "really" cold here (for our area of the country) until January, so they still have time to adjust. I am still planting and moving daylilies anyway. He also sent two bonus plants (Christine Dixon and Jungle Butterfly) that could go in the red, white, and blue bed that I am making. I told him that Dancing On Air was going in this bed. I did not take pictures to show you, but have the roots soaking in water and SuperThrive.

nutsfordaylily

nutsfordaylily
Halifax, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 19, 2012
7:23 PM

Post #9337609

Linda, the only ones I'm familiar with of the ones you're getting are PEACOCK MAIDEN and HEAVENLY DRAGON FIRE, both of which I'd like to get. I'll have to look those other ones up to see what they look like.

Viginiarose, those latest daylilies from Bob look great.

Casshigh, that's fantastic. Love it when I get big clumps.

Karen

virginiarose

virginiarose
Southeast, VA
(Zone 8a)

November 20, 2012
3:22 AM

Post #9337811

Wow, love those! Thanks a lot, now my want list is even longer.

Susan

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