I was wondering if any body felt like talking about seedling efforts or new Daylily you all might be starting this winter. thought came up with my ed brown x high octane seedlings today,
As you can tell I am happy enough to bust!!lol What say ,any convo?
Not me. I stopped doing seeds indoors about 3 years ago. Now I sow in pots outdoors in mid May and then in August I transplant them into the seedling beds. I have had good germination. The tets give me a bit more trouble germinating than the dips.
My thing about the lights or indoors was some of mine were ready to grow I am not sure about how they would do outside now,and since they have germinated I thought I would try to grow them indoors in pots.
I guess I will find out next spring about the ones planted outside ,which really is my preferred method. Not good with perennial plants indoors ,never have been.
Just a bit of fun and convo ; while maybe learning a thing or so.
I do not know, that is interesting. Maybe some here will reply to help this along. I have had some that looked similar,early roots do not seem to absorb enough nutrients to make chlorophyll ,I do not feed mine as the few I have tried to feed more withered or died.
My guess is root development is going slow and the seedlings will grow out of it, I have seen many that looked that way to begin.
Could be light but I do not think so ,as they would not be growing like they are if it were.
Maybe the lightest drop of nitrogen on one to find out .That I have done without severe consequences .
I let my seeds dry up in paper envelopes until late fall. I usually plant them outdoors Thanksgiving weekend. I had at least 90% germination last fall.
I prepare the bed in October. Then, I just put them in about half inch deep. One theory is that the "evergreen" seeds will go ahead and germinate, and will die over winter, so you are left with SE and dormant. I was taught this method by Charles Applegate, breeder of "Blessing" and Dottie Warrell, breeder of "Holly Dancer" -- and Curt Hanson does thousands of seed this way every year.
nutsfordaylily -- note do NOT try this if your seed has been refrigerated. Only for seed that has been dried since collecting. I had total crop failure with refrigerated seed that a friend gave me a few years ago.
This has got me thinking I should go out to the garden and retrieve a few I have planted,A couple of them are germinated and the old ones have now ceased to growing for the season.
It's cold enough that nothing is growing much from here on this year ,but I will re read some of this as I seemed to of missed of something, about the how and time of why of this.
Practice is every and all as always.
AUTUMN SOJOURNXSAILING AT DAWN Is the one growing outside I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE ANY i DO NOT HAVE TO!
I had that about the fever thing and bought more seeds!! I thought I post here as the LA discussion has gone to plants I brought a couple back inside to do under lights, they were to small the constant cold wet weather.When I saw some root fungus starting I brought them in and sulpher dipped their earth. Being explained to me the hard way why so many spring outdoors start their seeds.
I have a had a time remembering some things ,only as long as I manage half or more of the ones I have indoors I am feeling way ahead , although I would be delighted (and prefer) all and every one to survive. Most will anyway. Yes I am hearing a few chickens before they have hatched there>
I think so also, that will be more colorful than a box of rainbow skittles. Those little plants only have to be a couple of inches tall with a little root crown to survive,tough plant a Daylily is.
That is from with experience with my older unknowns, new plants are somewhat different ,only still strong.
I really do wish I knew what my unknown peach yellow was(or is) it has a larger bloom and has made up to 9 seeds pods ,5 to 7 about usual though. (I LIKE IT!!)
Mike, that one has very wide petals. I love the 1st and 2nd ones and will see how they do next season. The 2nd one had very fertile pollen that seemed to pollinate every flower I crossed it with. I didn't try to pollinate it since it was its maiden blooms.
Blooma, thanks for posting all the good information about seeds. I just bought my first daylily seeds and I was browsing for information.
Your seedlings look very healthy and you sure have a lot going on, to me anyway. What is the name of the little green house shelf system you have?
Love that red flower with the wide petals.
I was just over seeing if anyone had left me any of Jamies seeds that were up today. Thats a big negative. Ive got my fingers crossed he has alot more where those came from.
I can plant seeds from now thru next august and they will all bloom at the same time...spring 2014. The ones I planted this august are actually looking really nice. Hope to get something good this spring. I wasnt so jazzed about this springs batch.
Okay this is the thread where we were talking about the white leaf seedlings that die eventually . I have one of those(white leaves) and something interesting? has occurred.
The seeds sprouted on top of soil so the roots can be seen (antennae looking roots) have sprouted a small green root leaf?So now the seedling will be making chlorophyll,interesting this is to me anyway, a wait and see...
A secret AH ..HA!!! maybe? A chance to learn something? oh yes!!! , I enjoy that!!
Juhur7, I must say that I enjoy reading your comments. With 15°f outside I must find something to do indoors to keep me sane. Oh yes! The to do list! Exploring the never before seen plants and gardening ideas on the internet. Oh yea, DW is watching, can't do that. LOL! Now where is the to do list ? Happy New Year everyone. May all your flowers bloom in 2013 with reckless abandon. May your health allow you to keep up with all the joys of life. Mike
First of all to say, thank you you all gratefully for the very nice comments,, praise
Mike your saved photos, shared, and pretties also, and your interest has lightened my day and hum drum moods a few times;
Karen your photos also , brighten it all up on "gray" days'
I was wondering if those white leaf seedling happen from acids, algae gel ,and so forth having been used some time in the plants history. Genetic hormone leftover from cell manipulation? makes the root cell chemicals more active and carrying on in the plant,(and transferring to the seed) After all we have all experienced the occasional upside down seedling (a genetic trait,) that righted itself.
The more developed the bloom variety (the more expensive also) the more that seems to happen,(white seedlings)
I bruised a couple green seedlings and one has grown back to normal (for a small seedling) I am wondering if when or anymore of these white seedlings occur ,^ about bruising them to see if the same thing happens ,that maybe it will cause a green leaf shoot to happen, and "break" the no chlorophyll syndrome.. As long as the roots look strong enough
(the roots usually do) I am contemplating giving a (bruising method a try) So far just letting the roots run around on the surface seems to have something to do with breaking an unwanted syndrome that has carried to the seed attempts.
This is destined to be my possible favorite stumbled into of 2013.. lol
I would ask all of you how the flower beds went and are coming along , only with all things quite in the garden this time of year , I doubt that would go far) All of you here and these threads brighten up weekends and evenings..
Year 2010 daylily sowing produced 2 albino seedlings. I got all excited thinking that I had something special, like a variegated DL. No such luck. I was told that it will live only until it had used up its chloryphyll (sp?). Sure enough, it lasted about 3 weeks and slowly died.
Needless to say, I was disappointed. Below is the albino.
Juhur7, since there is no gardening outside (for us anyway) you can always experiment inside. Barring some miracle you will move on to the next project. LOL! If you need more seeds to play with I have some to share. I try to pass most of my time by reading a lot of articles mainly on gardening on the net. You tube is also a good source of free videos. I watched a few last week by a Mr Gilliam on taking Dahlia cuttings during the winter. It was very interesting. There is tons of stuff on there also on daylilies.
Karen, why not start them inside the way I do it. If you get a 2ft long plant light and mount a 2ft shelf on the wall, you will have plenty of room for DL. Replant them in a 6-pack that Walmart sells. You live in a warmer zone than I so by April you should be able to plant outside. I have to wait till end of May. You can also place the pots in a clear plastic bin and give them morning sun to acclimate them.
Edited to add that the seedlings in the 6-pack was planted there after sprouting in moist paper towel.
If there is a will, there is a way.
My 5 stages for seedlings.
1] in 6-pack
2] in 3" foam cup
3] under flourecent plant light, shelf mounted on wall, sharing with iris seedlings.
4] clear plastic bin to acclimate the seedlings before planting
5] Purchased from Dollar Store to replace the bin. Holds 156 seedlings in 3" pot.
blomma Well we will find out shortly if my idea works or not,I am really hoping the idea works,,, It may take a few times to find out for sure.
HazelCrestMikeB Mike i have a few packages of Daylily seeds remaining in the fridge I hope to get too. I will always be happy to exchange a few with you if I show you something you like. These are mostly crosses from the L.A.
nutsfordaylily ; Indeed Karen you seem to know your your Daylilies , You will have to tell this spring how your pink Daylily flower bed has become, We all forget things !lol Age is always around to remind us though!!! Isn't it.
The low light level of the Albino , you can see a root sprig towards the front of the pot that is green ,it does not look that way in the pic ,but I assure you it is , The green fellow in the water bottle is a Puffer fish x Dragon fang the only one of five that has germinated and sprouted.
Nice pics blomma, I do not do close ups well ,obviously!lol
Your seedlings in the pic look really nice.
There is a Dahlia sitting in another corner also..lol you all been watching me!!?LOL only joking of course , perceptive of you though...
Pets woke me up,, almost cross posted.
A few bucks and a Christmas Holiday card HUH?...LOL Just joking, I would not mind having a few like the Autumn Wood or a couple you have shown. I love the new Daylily forms and blooms , and I am very appreciative of your generosity.
Not every one would offer ,most kind..^_^
When time and space permit, and my self energy levels, we might discuss this some more
In the meantime Happy new year , it's snowing again ,,on me here as I type this, another 3 inches for New Year's Day
Blomma, that's a nice idea, but I really have no space to mount shelves on a wall. Hmmm... maybe I could use the bookshelves in the hallway. I recently got rid of a lot of books in there, and there are some shelves that are clear. I could possibly mount some lights in there. I've thought about setting up some shelving in the cellar, but it's not heated down there. Don't know what the temp usually is down there. It's a damp cellar, and floods on rare occasions. I just don't like going up and down those steep stairs going down there. I have a bad ankle and bad knees.
Juhur7, I will be interested myself to see how my pink bed looks. It's not all daylilies, though, I have some pink rambler roses in there, a pink hydrangea that I added this year. and several other pink perennials. I usually add some pink annuals to the mix, too. I especially love this pink gomphrena called 'Fireworks': http://www.burpee.com/flowers/gomphrena/gomphrena-fireworks-prod000219.html#null . My pink beds are still a work in progress. I have a lot of non-pink daylilies that need to be switched around with pink ones. I'll get more done in this new year.
Here's a couple more of no chlorophyll syndrome, it is turning green , although could be better , little yet..
You still can not tell all that from the pics , I would not want to try this method often but if it works , it will do , A lot greener than a few days ago although it does not show through the camera lens.
I added some heavy nitrogen to the bag , that got results.
A few weeks to go before I know? Yes small and stringy , but alive... big roots though!!
I am still wondering about this Albino no chlorophyll syndrome. Maybe I should ask some genetic x hybridization persons who have the hormone that creates leaves as to why that might block and the root hormone stays predominant (As far as my amateur self can configure that is what is going on)
This syndrome seems to have an answer ,only it requires more attention, and the plant is not likely to grow as fast as it usually would. Of course that would not matter much to someone use to growing plants in tubes and gel.
It is that it has to be done in pots and covers at least ,and because most of the time when it happens outside in a garden , you will have to dig them up so roots could grow on the surface and a few techniques under cover to keep the plant alive, ETC it seems like much to do, if it something special I guess it is well worth the effort ,if this plant lives it going to be a much longer wait to maturity and full blooms . OH GOODNESS patience I don't have is everything once in a while.
Maybe the leaf hormone is also an answer , will get to that next, I don't want to go that far if there is plain & simple solve.
A noted question very concerning about this, I am having contemplation as to ;Why is this albino , no chlorophyll syndrome the same atomic weight as Daylily fungus..? How do I change the atomic weight of the plant?
ANY Scientists here?
Any would be Scientists?
Any body with any idea or comment?
Yes to the next question ,I am ate up (LOL)
good evening to you all... ideas? my goodness ^_^
I bought an albino hosta once called White Feather. It starts as all white, but then turns more green as the season progresses, as it's the only way it can survive. It died out after about a year or so, though. Don't know if anyone else has had luck with that one.
Bought this cross from Dablaw on the LA. Looking for some tall ones from this cross to give me a base.HILDIGUNN X ROGNVALDUR. Stats on the pod = Mahieu / Burris '07, 8.5", 54", DOR, DIP, Mid season. Pollen = Mahieu '03, 6.5", 70", DOR, DIP, Mid-Late season. Ext.
Karen I hope so too. Blomma, good luck on the new sdlgs. I am going to sort thru my seeds to determine which ones get the most attention this February. I know for sure that "Ron Wilson's Online Garden Party - (Chicken On The Run x Bass Gibson) X Forestlake Ragamuffin" will be up there.
Well today officially would like to report the death of one albino seedling , it is now white molding in it 's grave ,,
About four out five of my seedlings are well, that's good for me ,, not great ,but good ,,
As with most things from seed , when I finally and rarely get something nice , I am always wondering what might of been about the losses...
One puffer fish cross growing happily
And two crimson cowboy crosses one which is doing well , the two I am most concerned about .. I am hoping they become something nice ,,,
In this particular instance , the names mentioned are pod parents , have a couple of others where they are pollen parents
""JUST rambling and ranting and hoping""
Wow, has anyone seen how the cost of international postage has gone up??? Used to be $3, now $6.55. I have a lot of customers that this will hurt. This is ridiculous. They are now charging package rates for padded envelopes. I could understand a dollar or so increase but to more than double it??
Here's a pick of a puffer cross , some others died> when I set this under some light with some centaurea seedlings it took off growing good,
I am still learning seems some like more light and heat than the ones I already have.. Not a real good pic , but better than my usual..lol
Ju, why don't you grow the daylily seedlings in its own little pot. It may grow better if it doesn't have to share with other plants.
I don't know what kind of camera you have but perhaps you are too close to the subject that is why it is blurry. Unless a camera have a setting for closeup or macro, the photo will come out blurry. The 2 above are a bit clearer than your others.
Too much light for the setting , and it is growing with these while the others of the same died in their own.
My Mistakes This particular ; more light
different soil mix
It is a saved from a mistake , Like I posted earlier , there is a difference,(from others I have)
Even if it is small ,,it is alive ... and will likely stay that way
Some of these have a slightly different preference than what I have grown (referring to the newer Daylily) I am surprised..!!!
Only I know it now!!!lol
Just did an inventory on my sponges, so I can get my seed overload from the fall started. They have a rough time in the heat of the summer, but if I keep them mostly in the shade, they should be fine. This summer Im doing barely any crosses of my own. It will be hard not to dab that pollen, but it is so hard on the plants, I want more bloom and especially rebloom this summer. I always end up planting the ones I buy first, I know what my plants look like and the seeds from different plants entice me more.
These look a little better than the pic , just thought I would though A couple from seed started this winter, after a system crash a few weeks ago I will have to retrieve the file to know for sure which ones they are , oh well , just to say they grew and are growing . I guess ..
I just popped in and read this thread. You all are awesome!. I love to grow daylilies from seed. Last year I decided I would try some from fresh seed. So I planted them the minute I found the pod and they germinated within about a week and have been growing ever since. I think the pod parent was Joylene Nicole, but I am not positive. I am anxiously awaiting this year's blooming season.
Blomma, The only thing that I did was to sow the seeds immediately in a 3" pot ( only because it was handy and clean) . I watered the pot and let it drain and then set the pot in a zip lock baggie on a table in my garden shed where a flourescent light is on 24/7 ( only because it is direct wired and I can't turn it off). I didn't open the baggie until the seedlings were about 4" tall. then I moved them outside and into a 4" pot. Last week, I found them on my potting table.
I don't know what I would do with the winter's you all have had. We have had a tremendous amount of rain so I moved my succulents back inside on a sand bed hoping to draw some of the water out before I lose them.
I have 2 crosses that should bloom for me this year. I can't wait to see what they turn out to be.
I always found that if I pre-germinated the seeds on paper towels and then planted them in the soil, it seemed to take twice as long. Then I started soaking them in hot water overnight and then putting them in the fridge for 3 weeks. A lot of the seeds would germinate in the fridge. Then I would plant them and it seemed like they came up in no time at all.
I do have a very long growing season. Maybe that is why it helps so much.
They are outside growing in front of some other flowers , Little white paper compost boxes torn open on the bottom and filled with a compost mix, all that was done last fall .
Jerry Nettles x When Royals Dream are those shown there ..
I had a strelitzia seedling that came up as an albino and I just let it grow, it finally turned green. I wonder if daylily albino seedlings would do the same things. I am planning to soak some today and then start some soon. I will let you know how well they grow.
I had one last fall showing white variegation , unfortunately it rotted away , This is the third wettest April in history here .
Maybe that is what happened ,a strong variegation looking all white had shaded green that later turned more visual .???
virginiarose There are three of the reasons for that (the mold )
1 The seeds are no good .
2 the seeds are to warm
3 the air circulation or the soil is wrong .. These are the three most common reasons ... patience is all ..
I still use no other method than parks sponges. Its about 100% for me, so if it aint broke, Im not going to fix it. I know people do all sorts of things, but sticking a seed in a hole is as complicated as it gets for me. Ill take some pictures of some I planted about 6 weeks ago tomorrow. If I had an abundance of my own seeds, I might try something else and not care if I loose a few. I buy most of mine and so I dont have a ton. I try to stick to 120 a year...the sponges come in trays of 60. Its hard to stick to only 120 seedlings, but 120 to plant out is more than I really want to do.
Stratifacation on wet paper towels in the fridge , referred to as the Deno method ,, That is why? I have better luck planting them , if you need to stratify , set them in the fridge already planted , Or make an easy to I.D. place outside and late fall wintersow .
I will admit I don't do better than 50% germination doing that , I am not that good or lucky , only it does give me my moments ...
These are some seedling I started about 6 weeks ago. They should be growing faster, but its been so cool.
To plant my seeds, I put a sponge in a hole, put a seed in the sponge hole, and thats it till I plant them out. You do need to keep the styrafoam floating in water. I limit myself to 2 cells at a time. I rarely have a seed not sprout, if its nice and hard when you put it in. It takes a little longer for the shriveld up ones. Ive never used the greenhouse cover that comes with them, but guess that would be helpful if its cool out. One of the best parts is, you dont really disturb them when transplanting, the sponge keeps everything in tact. When Ive given out some years, my seedling have spent up to a full year in these. They only get so big, but they dont die. I can start seeds in cups, etc., but they just dont transplant well for me. After all this time, I should be better than that, but Im not, so these keep things going for me.
Gardenglory, is that the dome thing they are selling on Park seed?? I was trying to understand the concept or at least figure out whether or not I can use the sponges with out the dome thing? I think I like it but I don't have that many seed.
Blooma, the seeds came from the LA and they did not rot. They molded and I just rinsed off the mold and dried them. Like you say they must have been too wet. I will try again. I am using my bonus seeds not the good ones. :)
I think at this point I might wait for my own seeds to develope and I can play around with the free ones!
You have seen these before , these include When Royals Dream and the little Puffer Fish in the pot by itself , the only one I got , Pot grown were inside this winter The straight shoots from the in the ground had been winter sown.
Different choices made of where we are and how we choose to do these , To each of us our own .. works to the idea.
The obvious is I could, and still do have some things to learn about the soil combinations these are growing in .. All the pics are of different types
ibartoo, you sure have a lot of daylilies in the front beds, your beds must be huge! I have too much going on right now so I think I will just wait till next year, probably by then I will have 70 in my front beds. I have ordered a ton of daylilies!
Blooms, mine are still green. Thanks for the advice about the seeds. What should I do if I want to store some of them till next year. Don't they need to dry out? I might even pollinate one myself! :)
Ok, sounds good and thanks for the picture illustration. You have a stamen from another daylily and you put it on there as soon as it opens right? then how do you remember which daylily pollen you put on him. When you harvest the seeds you write down the two daylilies?
I had a lot of fun doing that a couple of years ago. I never kept records like that though. Any blooms I get from those crosses will be little orphan surprises I am afraid. I too have saved pollen in the freezer and also traded some with a friend. I know that I have seen some for sale at times on the Lily Auction.
I had my first daylily open yesterday.
Blomma, That is funny that you start with pretty on pretty. I started with the prettiest blooms that were open at the same time. LOL Then it became addictive and now I too plan more about the ones I would like to cross.
I have to either make the decession to cull the majority of mine,(which is harder to do than you think), or stop with the seedlings. There comes a point when the sheer work of it all, and room, outweighs the fun.
Blomma, I think that's fine on planting the daylily seedlings close. After all, you will move the ones you like to a different bed with more room when they've bloomed, and eliminate the ones that you don't want.
Ibartoo, welcome to our thread! I have not started any daylily seeds yet this year. I must hurry and get them in the ground before the season becomes too advanced. I have them in the fridge now. I look forward to seeing your seedlings when they bloom. Do post pics!
Virginiarose, maybe you could try sprouting them directly in the garden. That way you don't have to worry about mold, as they'll have the air circulation they need. If growing indoors, try adding a bit of hydrogen peroxide to the water, which is supposed to prevent mold, and keep a light fan on them after they've sprouted to keep the air circulating. I don't grow inside, as I don't have the room for it, nor the money to invest in the lights, shelving, fans, etc.
That's a good idea, I am just busy planting daylilies right now, also adding new plants to the shade garden. I have no lights or set up either. Sometimes I grow stuff in the window. hehehe! I agree with the peroxide water and use it for all seedlings and house plants, if not I get fungus gnats.
Morning Everyone, sorry to disappear like that, it has been a crazy week or two. I am job hunting, trying to get my son ready for graduation, his 18th birthday planned , Working with Mom etc.
Blomma, your daylily set up looks like my greenhouse. I have tons of little cups with seedlings started in them.
Thanks for the welcome Karen, I have been here before, but I have a tendency to pop in and out as time and season permits. You never know when I will pop in.
Blomma do you start iris seedlings this way too?
I have the gnats too, but since I keep everything outside or in the greenhouse, they don't bother me. They do provide endless entertainment for the kitten though.
I crossed my first daylily of the season yesterday. I can't wait to see if it forms a pod. I crossed Apricot sparkles( pod parent) with Eenie Weenie ( pollen Parent). I need to get outside this morning and see what I have blooming today. I love this time of year.
See ya later.
Miracle Grow started going organic and the soil has rotting matter inside it. I have no problem except inside, so I just mix a little peroxide with the water for house plants. They need it anyway because of the tap water having no nitrogen. I cannot give just tap water.
ibartoo, I would love to see your kitten playing with the gnats. hehehe, I bet that is so cute! :))
I also mix a little bit of cinnamon in with my potting mix when I use it. it helps to kill the fungus that may be in the soil and keeps thing from damping off. It has made a big difference, but again I don't grow anything inside.
Virginia rose, If I could get a video of her playing with them, I would watch it non stop. It is endlessly entertaining. I was never a cat person, but someone gave me a tiny kitten who lived with me 18 years. She passed away last summer and my son begged for this kitten. I realized resistance was futile, and she is steadily winning my heart too. I love her just as much as the other furry children. She is the funniest of the 3.
I am starting daylily seeds today. I took them out of the fridge and will pot them up. These are from crosses I made last year. Then I am going out to see if any are blooming that I can cross today. It is supposed to be gorgeous this morning and then rain this afternoon. Maybe I can get gardening done first and then housework later.
Virginia Rose, I kept my seeds in a wet paper towel in a ziplock bag for 3 weeks in the fridge. The other seeds were soaking just in little containers of water in another container. I started them on Wednesday the 23rd. I will let you know which come up first. Here are some pics of my early bloomers. Some of my tags were lost, but I think they are red rum, aztec gold, and 1 I cannot remember the name of. Hyperion is blooming today, but I have to get outside to take more pics. I haven't really checked over the yard yet and my puppy is letting me know about it. I am just trying to catch up.
The first pic is either Butterscotch ruffles or Mary Todd Lincoln, I can never tell yellows apart very well. The 2nd is Aztec gold, 3rd ( can't remember the name, 4th eenie weenie and 5th is red rum. So far these are all that have bloomed except hyperion and I haven't taken a picture of it yet.
Hope you all have a fine "bloomin" Sunday!
I found a packet of seeds in my fridge that have sprouted. Would anyone like them. I just don't have room to plant the cross until I make some room, which could be a while. The cross is Big Smile x Mapping Carolina. The first one to respond will get them for postage, $2.40.
D-mail me if you want them.
Lilly, I don't think I am going to list any more. I have so many daylilies to plant I am behind because of all the rain and because I am sick with a sinus infection. I will sell you a df if you want though for the starting price whatever it was. Dmail me.