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Plant Identification: Help ID this tree in longleaf pine forest central AL

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passiflora_pink

passiflora_pink
Shelby County, AL
(Zone 8a)

October 30, 2012
2:23 PM

Post #9320403

Most of the trees were changing color but not these--leaves were thick and leathery green.

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Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

October 31, 2012
9:10 AM

Post #9321092

Possibly Gordonia lasianthus?

Resin

passiflora_pink

passiflora_pink
Shelby County, AL
(Zone 8a)

October 31, 2012
10:03 AM

Post #9321142

There are similarities--but USDA map show Gordonia only in coastal counties (this was in Tallapoosa county--East Central AL) and it is very abundant, and I didn't see any sign of flowering or fruiting structures. I have grown up spending weekends hiking that forest and have seen the tree pictured all of my life but in adulthood am trying to learn the names. Aside from the longleaf pine, companion plants are brackin fern, lots of sourwood, staghorn sumac, Persimmon, Sassafras, and Wax myrtle.
shortleaf
suburban K.C., MO
(Zone 6a)

November 1, 2012
8:39 AM

Post #9321904

My uneducated guess would be Pawpaw (Asimina triloba). I know you said no fruit but even around here the fruit is removed quickly by animals or something.
You sometimes see it as an understory tree here. - http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=155

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


November 1, 2012
10:43 AM

Post #9321985

That bud is very unique. I think it is the key to the ID. You may also want to look at Cyrilla racemiflora.
For your county: http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=CYRA
Ilex opaca
Kalmia latifolia
Magnolia virginiana
Melia azedarach
Pinus echinata
Pinus palustris
Pinus taeda
Pinus virginiana
Vaccinium arboreum

I like going to the USDA plant database and doing a county search.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 1, 2012
12:44 PM

Post #9322070

Noi no shortleaf, sorry Not Pawpaw.

passiflora_pink

passiflora_pink
Shelby County, AL
(Zone 8a)

November 2, 2012
5:06 AM

Post #9322555

Not Cyrilla. Definitely not Pawpaw. I sent an email to someone at Auburn U. who maintains a website of AL plants--will see if they answer. Thanks for the input--if I get an answer I'll post it here.
PiedmontGuy
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 8a)

November 3, 2012
8:09 AM

Post #9323522

Ya'll be needin' a Southerna fo ya tree there.

Tha's a Devilwood tree.

Cartrema americana

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

November 3, 2012
9:10 AM

Post #9323572

If Cartrema americana is a synonym for Osmanthus americanus (American Devilwood), then I think that may not be right.

The plant in question appears to have alternate arrangement of foliage, while Osmanthus americanus has opposite arrangement of foliage.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 3, 2012
9:58 AM

Post #9323620

veins in the leaves aren't paired even for sweetbay magnolia, and the bud shoots out more like another leaf section forming, than for the magnolia-

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 3, 2012
10:15 AM

Post #9323628

Resin's Loblolly Bay is close, but the leaves are smaller than what pink is holding. It does smack of an evergreen like a magnolia or a bay...
bryan3
Brunswick, GA

November 3, 2012
10:30 AM

Post #9323639

Looks like a Horse Sugar (aka Sweetleaf, aka Symplocos tinctoria) to me.

I'd say taste it to be sure, but some plants are sweeter than others and if you don't know the taste it might not strike you.. Strange plant. Only semi-evergreen, but it is still fall so no surprise the leaves still look green.

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


November 3, 2012
10:38 AM

Post #9323646

I think you may have it, bryan3. The buds look right.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 3, 2012
10:42 AM

Post #9323650

That looks the closest- says the leaves are a yellow green tho- hers look darker, but thats abt the only diff I see. yup, chuckl, TASTE

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


November 3, 2012
10:52 AM

Post #9323652

a bit more info on Symplocos tinctoria http://www.alabamaplants.com/Whitealt/Symplocos_tinctoria_page.html
http://www.floraofalabama.org/Plant.aspx?ID=3605

This message was edited Nov 3, 2012 9:54 AM

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 3, 2012
5:48 PM

Post #9323891

Her leaf ends are more rounded too- than pointy

passiflora_pink

passiflora_pink
Shelby County, AL
(Zone 8a)

November 4, 2012
5:24 AM

Post #9324163

http://people.duke.edu/~cwcook/trees/syti.html
It has characteristics of Symplocos...I wish I had brought a branch home so I could taste the leaves! These photos from Duke show a different bud arangement for that tree...maybe its just the time of year? And the leaves look glossier.

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 4, 2012
6:08 AM

Post #9324204

I saw Dukes versions- the bark is ridged on theirs too- that the tree is an evergreen or semi evergreen is a surety, it could be that it is a tree that 'crosses ' with others and is therefore common there. I want to know where that Devilwood naming came from- and yeah I know they change Latin names like diapers, but, where did he get his info from?

themoonhowl

themoonhowl
Prairieville, LA
(Zone 9a)

November 4, 2012
6:37 AM

Post #9324234

I ran across this list...100 trees


http://www.forestry.state.al.us/TreeIDIndex.aspx?bv=5&s=1

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

November 4, 2012
7:26 AM

Post #9324273

my wifi wont handle the dwnloads- pics are sketches- thanx tho

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