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Northeast Gardening: Money Matters - Part 14

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victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 25, 2012
8:32 AM

Post #9341926

Coming from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1274893/

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 25, 2012
8:34 AM

Post #9341928

Scary. How long before it's here?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/360369/End-of-the-Doctor-s-surgery

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 25, 2012
4:39 PM

Post #9342297

Geeze. Yeah I can see my 95 yr old MIL doing a SKYPE doctor call...
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

November 26, 2012
9:04 AM

Post #9342880

At least you won't have to sit in a waiting room for an hour with nothing to do except to read 8-year-old National Geographic magazines while you wait for your four minute visit with your doctor.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 26, 2012
9:20 AM

Post #9342891

LOL


The cost of the items of the Christmas list from partridge in a pear tree to 10 lords a leaping went up 6%, the cheapest is the partridge at $15 and the most expensive is $1000 for the swan

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 26, 2012
9:26 AM

Post #9342897

I hate how Cyber Monday has gotten so commercialized!! ^_^

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 26, 2012
5:14 PM

Post #9343300

rofl
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 27, 2012
5:55 AM

Post #9343625

Peru likes it's food the way nature made it.
http://www.whitewolfpack.com/2012/11/peru-passes-monumental-ten-year-ban-on.html

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 27, 2012
6:10 AM

Post #9343635

Yay for them, wish they would do that here
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 27, 2012
11:28 AM

Post #9343843

Black Friday's should be against the law. 60% off Lg 52" Flat Screen TV. People mall each other to get in and they only have say 1.

They should have to make good on all orders.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 27, 2012
4:47 PM

Post #9344122

I just can't get over how people go nuts over big tvs. Its the Ultimate Prize of our modern society- a deal on a huge TV! (sigh) If you can't spend the other hundreds of dollar- then watch your crap on your regular dang TV and get over it!

(walking off, muttering...)

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 27, 2012
4:49 PM

Post #9344126

Wow, sounds personal, Sally. ;)
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

November 27, 2012
4:50 PM

Post #9344128

What I find funny is that on one hand we (and by "we" I mean society in general) are clamoring for bigger and bigger screens on everything from TVs to cell phones and yet, on the other hand, iPad Minis are "must haves" for some. Methinks that there is some psychology at work here and that people are buying things for reasons they don't quite understand.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 27, 2012
4:53 PM

Post #9344131

I suppose, there is a tiny element of that..Somebody here has taken it upon Himself to do the TV buying in this house, without consulting The Other. So I must suffer in silence, (with Netflix, surround sound...OK not exactly in silence..ROFL!)
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

November 27, 2012
8:33 PM

Post #9344330

That made me laugh out loud.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 27, 2012
8:36 PM

Post #9344335

hahahahahaha

I think it's just a mentality about needing the latest gizmo...people are crazy, I would NEVER wait in line overnight for a gadget, or get into a fight over 1

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 28, 2012
5:33 AM

Post #9344470

Because they can. No surprise to me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9707029/Two-thirds-of-millionaires-left-Britain-to-avoid-50p-tax-rate.html
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 28, 2012
5:44 AM

Post #9344479

we have a 46" TV here that is fine - would have gotten the 52" if it was not almost double the cost - this was back 5 years or so ago. wife wants a bigger on now (she does need glasses for seeing any distance) and bring the 46 to the bedroom and then will probably want me to set up the 32" from there somewhere else. two tv's is enough though and we will be waiting longer yet on a larger TV. At least until 3D is a more established feature, not one to jump into the latest gizmo and deal with the early releases issues.

speaking of issues - does anyone ever have HDMI handoff problems? The ONKYO receiver we have periodically losses its signal for picture and sometimes audio (3 times over two years). It takes an hour of checking connections and trouble shooting to pin point the reciever. And since there is nothing in the manual about this you have to call customer service, which is very good and 24/7. Then you have to reboot the receiver with a short series of buttons and a prayer and it back to factory pre-set. Then when you have some time go back into set-up and make sure the custom settings are correct.

that happened on Saturday night here, what a pain in the butt.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 28, 2012
5:47 AM

Post #9344480

my either - same for the high corporate tax rate we have here that forces corp's to have all the satilite headquarters around the world to avoid taxes. If it was a reasonable rate they would not bother and we would be the better for it.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 28, 2012
5:50 AM

Post #9344481

Never had that problem with HDMI, Bill.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 28, 2012
5:53 AM

Post #9344483

Yep, we have the highest corp tax rate and they want to raise the tax rate for small businesses too.

Read the other day that if the 'Buffet rule' were adopted, it would raise enough money in one year to pay for 17 hours of gov borrowing.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

November 28, 2012
6:38 AM

Post #9344519

:)

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 28, 2012
10:05 AM

Post #9344677

Last week Christie said storm cost was 30 billion. Today it's 37 billion (larger than the entire budget for one year) and he says he expects the Feds to come up with the entire amount. Not to be outdone, Cuomo claims 40 billion for NY. Bloomberg - 19 billion. No, they're not padding it at all. Sure.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

November 29, 2012
3:35 PM

Post #9345658

I now know why I dont have to diet, do Zumba or exercise, you know, Butt Kickers.

Been awake since 12:09 AM, (Mr G Had to go) work at 6 and home at 6. I dont think I can keep going. Lost 10 lbs, dropped 2 pant sizes and pinch an inch, maybe if I am not standing straight.

I have to take some pictures for you to see what I am up against. For now its the dang BED. speechless

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

November 30, 2012
5:32 AM

Post #9346053

I think we're going to get more infrastructure spending. My plan is to open a muni mutual fund account and start to fund it with my chump change.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
6:58 AM

Post #9346120

So now they officially asked to eliminate the debt ceiling for good. Incredible. Let debt increase automatically without discussion. Don't dare cut 'entitlements', which are 60% of all spending. Twilight Zone time.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
7:00 AM

Post #9346121

And US birth rate hits new low. Better indicator than any poll or election.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
8:36 AM

Post #9346187

[quote="victorgardener"]And US birth rate hits new low. Better indicator than any poll or election.[/quote]

Sure is


NJ Senate just passed higher minimum wage here...yeah, that will help small businesses...are they just trying to get us all to close our doors???

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
1:19 PM

Post #9346360

Crazy, Jen.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

November 30, 2012
2:53 PM

Post #9346421

Whatever the minimum wage is here, no one (unemployed or not) is willing to work for $10-15 an hour, just unskilled work, for folks like me who need help around the house/yard. Even the high school boys want $20 an hour to drive MY riding mower (and gas) across the lawn.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
3:06 PM

Post #9346435

Wow. Surprising. If I were closer I would send my kid!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
3:09 PM

Post #9346441

Wow - very sad and yet another sign of the times. Bummer.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/20231162/nycs-famous-stage-deli-closes

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
3:28 PM

Post #9346457

75 years!!! how sad

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
5:36 PM

Post #9346533

Hits just keep coming...

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/11/30/study-american-households-hit-43-year-low-in-net-worth/

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

November 30, 2012
8:35 PM

Post #9346628

Some ideas.

http://lifehacker.com/5963247/the-cheapskates-guide-to-getting-free-stuff?utm_source=Lifehacker+Newsletter&utm_campaign=1dda54f483-UA-142218-1&utm_medium=email

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 1, 2012
5:46 AM

Post #9346767

Remarkable ( isn't it ?) that people have such wildly different views of what is causing the average household's worth to decline. I'm starting to see why young people use the word "random" in almost every sentence.

Then read about the people who are heavily invested in pipelines. They are confidently planting big bucks there.

It's clear that the average individual investor has to change their strategy.

I'm investing in my own personal fitness because that's clearly important in order to keep working past the old retirement age.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 1, 2012
8:44 AM

Post #9346865

So now 1/4 trillion in new stimulus is being pushed as part of the cliff negotiations. Reason? To offset the economic drag caused by higher taxes on the 'rich' would cause. A bit strange, since those pushing the tax increase say there is no such drag. More Twilight Zone.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 1, 2012
1:51 PM

Post #9347035

I agree with Victor that this is nuts. In addition to the politics, you'd think by now that Keynsian thinking of the past has been shown to be a bad economic model. So where is the stimulus money going to go? I am trying to wrap my mind around where our future will be because there may be a lot of people who are hurt if we're not careful. I am especially concerned for folks on fixed incomes.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 1, 2012
2:13 PM

Post #9347051

I am concerned for just about everyone. Fixed income, recent graduates, laid off workers older than 40...but especially for the future generations. I truly do believe they will be the first ones to be worse off than their parents/grandparents. Sad.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 2, 2012
1:02 AM

Post #9347337

Cheapskates guide was interesting but really I don't think all that useful.
Product reviewing? You have to buy products in order to review them and hope to get on the team. Book reviews? Have to get and read them when they are new which mostly means buy them. And both those ideas and others need a computer and internet access. Travel cheap? You can't travel at all if you're really struggling.

Not picking on you Victor, but on people who write fluffy things like this. I DO like that he mentioned the library. TOns of free resources there. Don't just browse the shelf but look and ask for requesting books and media from other branches. We don't try to keep one of everything on every branch shelf. But (in my county and surely many others) happy to have it sent over free for you to pick up.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 2, 2012
4:38 AM

Post #9347366

Sally, I order a lot of library books on loan, but most of them come from out-of-the-area universities, and I have to pay postage both ways. Our regional library system caters to the under-educated. One of the pitfalls of living in the poorest area in the state.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 2, 2012
7:29 AM

Post #9347544

I don't worry as much about the next generation as I used to. As long as they are the main consumers and a huge voting block, they will have influence over the government's role in distribution of wealth. The Bush inheritance tax changes are a case in point. Lots of babyboomers (not me, too late) got very low inheritance taxes as the Greatest Generation started to pass in larger numbers. These numbers change elections. Medicare and Health Care in general are going to be an even bigger concern as the youth gain the majority.
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 2, 2012
9:53 AM

Post #9347653

Odd but it seems the next generation is cutting themselves out... I have friends that have changed their wills ( should they have anything left in future times) as they disagree politically with their grown kiddos.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 2, 2012
12:17 PM

Post #9347800

It will not matter if they are a large voting block. They will not have choices, as Europe is seeing right now. In a few years our debt will exceed 20 trillion dollars, despite any kind of deal to slow the growth of new debt. Some holes are just too deep. I have mixed feelings about that term, 'greatest generation'. Sure, they won the war and established the US as a superpower. But THEY are the ones who started us on this path and we are now paying the price. We were going to 'win the war on poverty' if we only spent X billion. We have spent orders of magnitude times X and poverty is the same or even worse. Their ideas made this country dependent on government for everything and personal responsibility went out the window. This is why we are in the mess we are.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 2, 2012
3:36 PM

Post #9347972

I googled "greatest generation" and am so happy to know I am not part of it!

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 3, 2012
5:29 AM

Post #9348455

Problem is that there is no other country that has solved this problem either. We're looking at a world economy. As a product of the Sputnik years myself, I still put my hopes, and have encouraged my children's hopes in innovation from this country. Many disasters don't happen as predicted because there are just too many unforseen events. Having known lots of Europeans and Asian natives who either live in the area, or having had lots of au pairs, I'd say the difference in mindset is quite noticable

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 3, 2012
5:33 AM

Post #9348460

There sure are. Germany and the Netherlands, and a number of Asian countries are nowhere near the US and southern Europe in terms of debt.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 3, 2012
7:04 AM

Post #9348537

How about Australia? Thinking of moving there, LOL

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 3, 2012
7:34 AM

Post #9348569

Me too. Or New Zealand.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 3, 2012
5:36 PM

Post #9349091

Oh, NZ for sure. I want to move to Hobbiton.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 3, 2012
7:50 PM

Post #9349205

Three year low hit by US manufacturing. But I thought things were getting better!
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 4, 2012
6:06 AM

Post #9349400

it is amazing what comes to light after any major election.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
6:30 AM

Post #9349413

Sure is. A very bad jobs report tomorrow would not surprise me at all. Of course they will blame it entirely on Sandy.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
6:34 AM

Post #9349418

Another report out yesterday showed youth employment is now lowest since WW2.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
6:45 AM

Post #9349426

IRS issued 160 pages of new regs yesterday just to explain ONE new tax in '13 from the healthcare law. Gotta love their efficiency.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
7:21 AM

Post #9349449

UGH


Went to store to buy hazelnuts, they had none in bulk so had to buy prepackaged, $4.99/ a bag, no express lanes open(had to ring myself I HATE that, don't work for your store I shouldn't have to ring myself up!!!) after scanning the bag it asks me to put it on the scale...well what the heck? it's prebagged not bulk! Last bag weighed over the 1 lb so they charged me more for that bag, called the girl over and complained...if they are prepackaged at the factory and marked 16oz and the sign says 4.99 a BAG, how can you charge me more $...well needless to say I left without my hazelnuts, went to a different store who had bulk at 4.49/lb
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
8:07 AM

Post #9349498

You should have gotten that bag for free because it rang up as more than the shelf price!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 4, 2012
8:22 AM

Post #9349513

I agree with Yankee. That's just bad customer service.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
10:21 AM

Post #9349602

I never use the self checkouts either. Do something to earn my business!
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

December 4, 2012
11:33 AM

Post #9349658

I think those self-checkouts are for introverts like me who would prefer to get in and out of a store without having to talk to anyone. I love them.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
11:45 AM

Post #9349660

Do you ever talk to the machine?? ;)
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

December 4, 2012
11:53 AM

Post #9349664

Sometimes I curse at it when it doesn't work right.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 4, 2012
11:56 AM

Post #9349666

we always use them at costco - much faster than waiting in the check out cashier line.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
12:04 PM

Post #9349673

The few times I have opted for it, someone always has a problem and you have to wait for someone to come and troubleshoot it, so it ends up not saving much.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
1:52 PM

Post #9349751

I just really wish they would give you a discount to do it yourself
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

December 4, 2012
2:04 PM

Post #9349762

Most of the stores here have 4 of the self-checkout stations clustered together with one store employee stationed nearby. When you have a problem you just give them the nod and they come over to help. Most of the time it is still much faster for me to do it this way.

The law in California was changed so that now if you are buying alcohol at the store you cannot use the self-checkout lane.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
2:56 PM

Post #9349804

More Twilight Zone - CLERKS behind the port strike in LA, which is coating the economy one billion per day, turned down an offer of 190K in wages and benefits with a no-layoff guarantee. Why is this greed not called out? CLERKS! Now Fed mediators will supposedly get involved. Bizarro.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 4, 2012
3:04 PM

Post #9349815

Here's a thought: skip the Chinese-made goods (and wrapping paper!) as Christmas gifts, and give gift certificates from local American-owned hair salons, barber shops, oil change shops, gyms, house-cleaning services, mom 'n pop restaurants... you get the drift.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 4, 2012
3:39 PM

Post #9349853

Love that idea, Darius!!

Bizarro is right!!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 4, 2012
3:41 PM

Post #9349858

Yes darius, good ideas! Wrap the gifts in American - printed comics, the old fashioned way too. It still just baffles me that with the cost of fuel, its cheaper to ship this crap across the pacific than make it here.

Gardensox, I am with you on self checkouts. Including cussing at it when it malfunctions or is just stupid.
One of the friendly young ladies at the store is now a self-checkout monitor clerk. She hates it, much less chance to say hi to customers.
Jen thats still freaky about the hazelnuts. I can't ever remember having to put a prebagged item on the scale.
Last week, bought 3 lbs of greens for a dollar. This week, the sign was left up, hence overcharged, hence got this 3 lbs free.

Good thing as Whitewheat hot dog rolls pack of eight= $3. Hot dog rolls??? say what??

CLERKS- insane.
And that low youth employment last time led to '(horrors!) rock n roll! What now?? egads!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
4:08 PM

Post #9349897

My hair stylist is Chinese.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 4, 2012
4:50 PM

Post #9349929

[quote="victorgardener"]My hair stylist is Chinese.[/quote]
ROFL!
Can we give certificates to local chinese restaurants? lol- just joshin'!

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 4, 2012
5:43 PM

Post #9349967

In my town the Taco chain closed overnight because they couldn't find people to work there. I know cause they called to make sure DD wasn't home from college yet. I really like this little franchise and they have been great to my DD working there, and stay in touch with her as friends, talk Spanish to her, etc. Seems to me these entry level jobs are going unfilled all over town because they can't find young people even in the high school who are willing to work.

Similarly, DH is trying to hire an electrical engineer fresh out of college, but he can't find any yet from the many applicants who have achieved the basic college level skills, so the job is unfilled.

To generalize, I wonder if the jobs problem for the many college educated young people means they aren't finding the college level jobs unless they have achieved the practical skills or are willing to pay their dues by working overtime, things that used to be assumed for new hires.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 4, 2012
6:05 PM

Post #9349984

Not surprised at the first one because American kids are spoiled. Very surprised at the second. What engineering schools are nearby? Would not have that problem in this area.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 4, 2012
6:10 PM

Post #9349991

I heard what I almost thought were crazy stories about my kids co workers.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 4, 2012
7:47 PM

Post #9350089

Schools included Wentworth which has a new engineering school and U of Hartford, and I don't know what others he's interviewed. Part of the problem is that the human resources department is doing the recruiting, and they don't seem to post in the better schools.. They would have been almost free to my DS because of scholarship offers. Glad he didn't go there. So far we think U mass Lowell is a place with amazing vision.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 5, 2012
6:11 AM

Post #9350284

no one from NU or MIT? Doesn't not sound like they are looking very hard.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 5, 2012
12:51 PM

Post #9350608

Citi Group - to slash 11,000 jobs. I dont care as of today I am Hired by Key Floral Inc. not through a staffing agencey.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 5, 2012
12:53 PM

Post #9350612

YAY!

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 5, 2012
12:53 PM

Post #9350613

Have I mentioned on here that I can not find any peppermint candy canes that are made in the US?
Driving me crazy!!! Had to order organic ones made in Canada
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 5, 2012
5:14 PM

Post #9350827

http://search.candy.com/b/q?k=candy canes&sn=160447305
http://www.candy.com/Atkinson_c_159.html?gclid=CKmhyJjMhLQCF...

Here you go... factory is located in Lufkin TX but they are probably not organic.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 5, 2012
5:17 PM

Post #9350831

Thanks!!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 5, 2012
6:00 PM

Post #9350848

Prob BBQ flavored!! ^_^
podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 5, 2012
6:40 PM

Post #9350877

I saw the candy link had chocolate filled candy canes. Sounds interesting.

Yum on the bbq... I got a recipe for bbq'd pecans this week and plan to try it.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 5, 2012
7:10 PM

Post #9350912

Hooray, Sherrie!!!!

luvsgrtdanes

luvsgrtdanes
(Ronnie), PA
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2012
5:31 AM

Post #9351133

Jen if you are still looking for candy canes here are some natural ones made in the US http://www.naturalcandystore.com/category/usa-candy-canes
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 6, 2012
4:35 PM

Post #9351658

Yuupp - Sherrie is a Key Floral Inc. emp. Worked 10 hours today. I will take some pics of the 2 stores I have.

Oh - I got a raise. 22 cents per hour & have been earning vacation time since I started 4 months ago. Why 22 cents, its an equation. I wont even go there. The 2nd store I got is HUGE compared to my hometown store.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2012
4:36 PM

Post #9351659

Congrats!
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 6, 2012
4:42 PM

Post #9351662

I dont do math well, I will ask you to help dummies to figure out the equation!! Serious

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2012
5:03 PM

Post #9351680

congrats!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 6, 2012
5:33 PM

Post #9351708

Good going Sherrie!
I have been with library for three years and no raise. Our co library budget has been cut more than about any other county agency. THis despite a co executive who keep a tight rein on school system. tight as possible.
I found a small juvenile level paperback book about unicorns, mislabeled. In the course of sending it to headquarters and asking about it, the circulation person looked at this book on Amazon and found one selling for $100. Should the library sell this book, or label it and circulate it, as if it were a cheap paperback? Couldn't someone steal the book, pay the $4? replacement cost fine, and then sell it?

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 6, 2012
5:35 PM

Post #9351709

Whoa, if they were smart they would sell it and go buy a cheap replacement and then give you a bonus with the extra
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2012
5:57 AM

Post #9352058

Retired library books don't fetch the high prices that other books do, and I have noticed that the offered prices on Amazon don't necessarily reflect the true sale price of books. That said, I am sure that someone going through the retired books and listing them on Amazon or/and HalfBay could generate som money for the library. Maybe that could be an opportunity for a volunteer.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 7, 2012
6:24 AM

Post #9352079

It'd be great to have a knowledgeable volunteer, come through and look at the shelves and flag anything with potential. But as you say, by the time it has been 'worn' on our shelves it may not be worth it.
Anyone wants to buy new fiction a few months after it comes out- and does not mind library covering- may be able to do it dirt cheap at your local library. We get dozens to satisfy requests for new fiction, and then they all have read it in a few months, and we can't keep all those copies. Quite often people donate fairly new fiction in excellent condition, ditto, can't use.

Who thinks patrons could or should pay some small fee for the service of getting brand new (fiction) books on reserve? Its simply entertainment. Shouldn't the library system be for education first?

The education function of our library is subsidized by the late fees, partly generated by checkout of entertainment, including all sorts of videos (movies, HBO series etc) and music cds. It's hoped that having entertainment (materials, and internet access (Facebook!)) gets people in to use more stuff.

OK I will quit now, everyone has to be getting bored ...

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2012
7:06 AM

Post #9352105

Not bored I find it interesting how these things work

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2012
7:09 AM

Post #9352110

Top line jobs number looks good - 146K, beating 'expectations'. However, as usual - you have to look at the details. First, October was revised lower. Revisions always seem to be downward. More importantly, thousands more left the work force, yielding the seemingly better 7.7% rate. But if the labor force was the same as it was in Jan of '09, the rate would be 10.7%. That puts things in better perspective. As Jay Leno says, all we have to do is keep convincing people to give up and we'll have that pesky rate down to 5% in no time.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2012
7:11 AM

Post #9352111

Rate for gov workers only 3.8%. Priorities.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 7, 2012
8:51 AM

Post #9352202

I can bet that top end govt pensions and benefits are not on the chopping block either, even if they are 'insignificant' in amount to the whole budget.

Great Jen, but I'm afraid I have used up the interesting stuff now LOL!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2012
9:34 AM

Post #9352238

Unlimited corporate donations will be accepted for the inauguration.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 7, 2012
10:17 AM

Post #9352267

Hey, if you can't afford to throw a party, just don't have one...
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2012
10:32 AM

Post #9352276

sallyg - It wouldn't be too time consuming to use a bar code scanner to upload the ISBN numbers and check the selling price. The books that are worth the most are the obscure ones that someone needs for research and they won't mind the retired library markers. I will bet there is a software program somewhere that is already designed to check prices by ISBN numbers. There might be a book reseller interested in having first choice of the retired books for a monthly fee.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 7, 2012
1:45 PM

Post #9352407

AYankeeCat- I can only hope that this has been considered by the Powers that Be. As a rather pedestrian county system, we may not have that much of real value in that sense.

I have The Death of a President by William Manchester, and next year is the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination. Cross fingers, if there's any interest in this book, it may be in the next year.

You aren't kidding Darius! I notice I haven't gotten any corporate sponsorships, hence my lack of parties here.
Hey they should get Hostess bakers to give them a cake party.
Let them eat cake...

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 7, 2012
2:24 PM

Post #9352449

Great start!

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/271705-deficit-already-at-292-billion-for-2013

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 9, 2012
11:32 AM

Post #9353780

So typical of CA mentality.

http://www.npr.org/2012/12/07/166745290/school-district-owes-1-billion-on-100-million-loan

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 9, 2012
7:36 PM

Post #9354203

Say hi to our new neighbors! wonder when they'll start up buying all the land?


According to the National Association of Realtors, non-American buyers accounted for $82 billion in home sales last year. More than $7 billion of that is by the Chinese, who are now the second largest foreign home purchasers after Canadians. They're buying high-end, multimillion-dollar homes from California to New York and paying cash.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2012
1:11 PM

Post #9354841

Paid $3.80 per gal today. Thought it was going down?!!

Sure, they have earned it...
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/10/3135652/report-mgrs-at-fannie-freddie.html
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2012
1:32 PM

Post #9354862

http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=c18a3b5a-fc77-4a31-9c43-b8fa5d860692

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2012
1:40 PM

Post #9354871

Saw that, and worse, their CEO is supposed to be on the short list for next Treasury Secy! Outrageous. This in addition to all the other underhanded stuff they do.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2012
1:46 PM

Post #9354880

sheesh


gas is 3.37 here

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2012
2:48 PM

Post #9354926

About 70% of people in a poll said taxes on small business should not be raised. (250K level currently pushed) Same % say no cuts to entitlements such as pushing back age for SS or Medicare. Duhhhhh.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2012
2:51 PM

Post #9354931

And now so many companies are moving up their dividend payouts to avoid any increase in taxes on them next year. Many will not issue any dividends at all next year as a result. So HOW will this raise more money?? Interestingly, many such as the Washington Post company PUSHED these tax increases. And one of their biggest investors who will benefit big-time? Warren Buffett. The hypocrisy astounds.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 10, 2012
3:49 PM

Post #9354989

Yak, I am still here grrrrrrrrr this job is getting to me. Hang in there dumb butt.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 10, 2012
4:05 PM

Post #9355014

Hang tough!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 10, 2012
6:24 PM

Post #9355123

schicken- remember the learning curve, I think there's a complex learning curve to any new role, and pretty soon you will pass a point where it becomes more automatic and less of an effort. No burgers, no burgers, no burgers...Hang in there

Our gas going down, pd 3 17 today, others near here 3 21. Honda Civic getting 28.9 mpg around the burb.

The very rich/ advantaged can always use their means to improve their situation in certain ways. its a big game.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 11, 2012
1:00 PM

Post #9355720

Ugh.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-11/-822-000-worker-shows-california-leads-u-s-pay-giveaway.html
GardenSox
Sacramento, CA
(Zone 9a)

December 11, 2012
1:58 PM

Post #9355751

Victor - I read through most of that. One of my main takeaways is that imposing furloughs is a bad economic decision for states. Don't you think?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 11, 2012
2:26 PM

Post #9355764

My main takeaway is you don't over hire and you don't pay them ludicrous wages and benefits. It's the people's money, not some company's.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 12, 2012
5:48 AM

Post #9356228

I've posted about the killer tax on medical device companies that will go into effect Jan 1st as part of the healthcare act. Now 18 senators who voted for it must have finally read it and are urging that the tax be put off. Duhhhhh.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 12, 2012
5:50 AM

Post #9356232

Here is a good idea! http://www.foodrenegade.com/will-allens-growing-power/

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 12, 2012
12:32 PM

Post #9356491

Keeps getting worse.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BUDGET_DEFICIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-12-14-11-16

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 12, 2012
5:44 PM

Post #9356791

CRAZY! The Fes is going to purchase 85 Billion in bonds PER MONTH until unemployment dips below 6.5%. That is just criminal. The bubble that will,produce will dwarf all the others. Look for another big runup in gold.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 12, 2012
7:22 PM

Post #9356857

Another dispatch from that parallel universe known as CA.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-12/california-psychiatrists-paid-400-000-shows-bidding-war.html

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
5:41 AM

Post #9357050

Another new tax that will hit in '13 thanks to the healthcare law is a devastating one for middle class families. The limit for medical spending accounts gets chopped in half, from 5K to 2.5K. This is particularly hard on families with disabled kids who have to spend a lot out of pocket. One more example of the 'no middle class tax hike' lie.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
6:48 AM

Post #9357118

Geez
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
8:30 AM

Post #9357235

And let the reducing entitlements begin.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 13, 2012
12:10 PM

Post #9357375

CA psych- insanity
how come we had to keep paying certain professions more to get better people, yet now the so many great people are laid off we cannot now benefit from this pool of highly skilled workers who one would think are willing to work for a little less?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
12:38 PM

Post #9357412

Entitlements ARE the problem so they must be cut. Even Kristof from the Times admitted that the welfare state has perverse consequences. He was reporting from Appalachia how parents keep their kids illiterate to keep receiving checks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/opinion/sunday/kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&ref=opinion&

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
12:44 PM

Post #9357431

And talk about plain idiotic and uncaring - the admin wants to cut back on charitable donations.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
12:46 PM

Post #9357433

This is what really pisses people off about DC. The request from the WH for Sandy relief ($60B) includes:

"The request, which still needs the approval of Congress, includes billions in urgently needed aide. But it also features some surprising items: $23 million for tree plantings to “help reduce flood effects, protect water sources, decrease soil erosion and improve wildlife habitat” in forested areas touched by Sandy; $2 million to repair roof damage at Smithsonian buildings in Washington that pre-dates the storm; $4 million to repair sand berms and dunes at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida; and $41 million for clean-up and repairs at eight military bases along the storm’s path, including Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The FBI is seeking $4 million to replace “vehicles, laboratory and office equipment and furniture,” while Customs and Border Protection wants $2.4 million to replace “destroyed or damaged vehicles, including mobile X-Ray machines.”

The Small Business Administration is seeking a $50 million slice of the pie for its post-storm response efforts, including “Small Business Development Centers and Women’s Business Development Centers.”

The relief package also includes a whopping $13 billion request for “mitigation projects” to prepare for future storms."
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
1:02 PM

Post #9357452

Doesn't the government by insurance on its properties?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
1:07 PM

Post #9357454

That would be too sensible and responsible.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
2:05 PM

Post #9357489

That's something that drives me crazy when they put all the add ons on the bills, then it gets thrown out because of all the extras and then people are mad at congress because they wouldn't approve the help for Sandy victims bill

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
2:32 PM

Post #9357505

Yes - they always exploit the situation to add stuff from their wish list. Happened with 9/11, with Katrina, with the stimulus...
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 13, 2012
4:49 PM

Post #9357601

My stimulus is working 10 hours in one day. WHAT can stimulate me more to keep going? ///---000

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
6:07 PM

Post #9357651

More insanity from the Sandy bill request:

"As we go through the bill, there’s a lot in here that isn’t emergency. For instance, 25 percent of the $10.8 billion in Federal Transit Administration funding won’t be spent until after fiscal year 2019! The Senate took the President’s request for $32 million for Amtrak and added a zero plus some more to come up with $336 million. Much of this is for a long-term project that has been in the works for year and has nothing to do with Sandy. There’s also policy provision that could have long consequences like the blanket, unlimited project authorization authority given to the Corps. This is an agency with a $60-70 billion backlog."

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 13, 2012
6:18 PM

Post #9357663

UGH I need to stop coming on this thread

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2012
5:34 AM

Post #9357893

Well, I have to reply to the awful reports of abuses in government pensions in California.

Here in Massachusetts the average state worker's pension is about $25,000 per year. The cost of living adjustment is much less than inflation. For many, that is after working many years for less money than private industry would pay.

When I started my government job, people looked down on government workers because they earned so little. Now they look down on government jobs because of the relatively stable employment which they think is unfair. It would be nice to get a little respect for the hard work it is to keep the public safe and functioning, and educated...

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 14, 2012
6:19 AM

Post #9357924

How is everyone's Christmas spending compared to last year? I guess ours is slightly higher.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 14, 2012
2:06 PM

Post #9358275

Worked 4 months now. I have earned 6.70 minutes of Vacation Time. WooHoo :-)

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 14, 2012
8:37 PM

Post #9358639

Most of my family decided they don't want to exchange gifts as of this year. We're still spending plenty on the kids anyway just to keep them clothed. I have NOT given in to getting them all smartphones.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 15, 2012
5:09 AM

Post #9358738

Funny Smartphone story - My girlfriend is 60 and bought her first cell phone 3 years ago and never used it. She lives in the world of the 1930's as she is a Labor Historian and hangs out with other historians all the time (well - except for me). I was shocked when I saw her at Thanksgiving pull out her smartphone and actually look at it for information! She doesn't know how to use the camera on it and I truly doubt that she can text - but something about it was enough to get her into the 21st Century. Wait - she didn't give me her cell number - what does that mean? LOL!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 15, 2012
8:58 AM

Post #9358926

Funny! I have had similar moment with older people taking out phones that they don't know how to use!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 15, 2012
7:45 PM

Post #9359505

Shocked tonight that my 83 yr old pulled out phone , took a picture , and then showed me the pics in gallery!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 15, 2012
8:10 PM

Post #9359518

Hee hee!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 16, 2012
4:56 AM

Post #9359615

The funniest thing I ever saw on Facebook was a post by the teenage son of a neighbor saying that he saw his five year old brother showing his great grandpa how to use the fart app on hsd iPhone.


My Dad who is 86 regularly breaks every new Mac he buys - and he buys them all. The Tech who comes out to the house to unfix his Macs finally talked him into getting iMacs - less to break!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 16, 2012
9:33 AM

Post #9359816

Funny!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 16, 2012
5:11 PM

Post #9360163

More on Sandy bill.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/little_help_here_1kW6aQ8fElj4CKwbheEV0N

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 17, 2012
6:09 PM

Post #9361063

Truth no one wants to hear.


"Presidents have been talking about the federal government’s spending appetite for decades.
“We can’t spend ourselves rich,” Ronald Reagan once said.
Even President Obama said that “every day, families sacrifice to live within their means – they deserve a government that does the same.”
In the most recent talks to avoid the looming fiscal crisis, though, House Speaker John Boehner insists the president has been singing a different tune, and is “just not serious about cutting spending.”
But how much spending are we actually talking about? It may be difficult to wrap one’s head around how much the federal government doles out every day, but here is a snapshot.
Each day during the month of November, the government brought in a little more than $5 billion of revenue. That’s a lot of money – but the U.S. government spent in that time more than $11 billion a day. The difference is roughly $6 billion.
Of that $11 billion, the top items were as follows: The Department of Health and Human Services, which goes through roughly $3 billion a day; Social Security, which shells out roughly $2.5 billion a day; the Department of Defense, which runs a $1.8 billion daily tab; and interest on the debt, which eats up $854 million every day.
Economists say the latter number is the most concerning of all – since the country gets practically nothing in exchange for that. It’s just paying the bills on the debt, and the number is subject to wild fluctuation.
“We've got a $16 trillion debt, and servicing the debt is hard now,” former Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana said. “This is with interest rates at record lows. God forbid something should happen to cause interest rates to go up even a little, back to where they ordinarily would be, the burden of this debt would become immensely greater.”
Alice Rivlin, Bill Clinton’s budget director, attributed the bulk of the spending problem to the promises made under Medicare, Medicaid and, to a lesser extent, Social Security.
"They'll drive federal spending up faster than our economy can grow,” she said. “And revenues won’t keep up, so we have a problem. If you don't have enough revenues to pay for the spending, you have to borrow. And on the track that we are on, if we go on doing what is in the law over the next several decades, our public debt will rise faster than our economy can grow.
“When that happens you got a real problem, because you’ve got to pay interest on that debt, and your creditors see that your debt’s rising faster than your economy is growing, so they charge more and more and it's a very bad situation,” she said.
Arthur Brooks, with the American Enterprise Institute, finds current debates about higher taxes misguided, with federal spending on overdrive.
“It's as simple as a family that does that. And the problem is right now you have a situation in which the government in its overspending ways tries to rationalize it by saying that actually the problem is we're under-taxing the American public,” he said. “It's like your irresponsible brother-in-law runs up his credit cards and goes bust and says the real problem is because you've stopped sending me checks.
“The truth of the matter is our country spends too much,” he said."

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 18, 2012
5:13 AM

Post #9361243

Difficult indeed if anything throws us into higher interest rates. I think Victor is nailing the real worry in our economy.

I've been thinking about why I am skeptical about the argument that we have to concentrate on fixing unemployment. Then I remembered what was happening in Germany especially before WWI. The Book Road To Serfdom written at that time and then the later commentary by William F Buckley is on my reading list. I think we have to be careful about what we ask for from government.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 19, 2012
11:56 AM

Post #9362345

Ugh - billions in loss.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121219/AUTO0103/212190382/Treasury-announces-GM-exit-strategy-automaker-buying-200-million-shares-from-U-S-?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 20, 2012
4:52 AM

Post #9362825

We should have known. At the time, we were thinking about making a modest investment in AIG, but we aren't able to afford speculation. Then see what happened.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 20, 2012
1:26 PM

Post #9363228

Who says there is no inflation?! Quote to plow my driveway is $45 per plow. 15 years ago it was $175 for first 10, and $20 each one after that. Yikes! Prices have not more than doubled in 15 years. Ripoff. Guess I better shop around. Was paying $35 two years ago.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 20, 2012
1:47 PM

Post #9363252

Send your boys out there to do it!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 20, 2012
2:06 PM

Post #9363262

4200 sq ft c

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

December 20, 2012
5:12 PM

Post #9363391

gas went up again today. was $2.89 this am. by afternoon it was $3.25!
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 20, 2012
6:06 PM

Post #9363420

send your boys out to do it - would shovel all day when I was a kid just to make some $$
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2012
12:45 AM

Post #9363580

Last year 100 gal home heating oil $286.00.
This year 100 gal home heating oil $383.00.
Wonder if we can make it through this winter on 100 gals like last winter? Turning on furnace for the holidays...average use is 2 gals per day, so we have 50 heating days, not quite enough, but that's all she wrote for now. Fuel and food insecurity here but we are still coping.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 21, 2012
5:23 AM

Post #9363656

Wow - big increase.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 21, 2012
5:26 AM

Post #9363660

Markets to crater today.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 21, 2012
6:15 AM

Post #9363679

Victor, 4200 sq. ft. isn't even 1/10 of an acre... and your boys won't clear the drive and walkways?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 21, 2012
6:19 AM

Post #9363685

No prob if a couple of inches, but if 5 or 6 or more, it's a lot. Younger one is only 10.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 21, 2012
6:29 AM

Post #9363694

Build those muscles!!!
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 21, 2012
6:43 AM

Post #9363704

And Dad should get off the couch insta of watching through he window :)

5-6" is nothing

My brothers kids did not shovel either or yard work - never could understand it - brother did it himself - i had my daughters help when they were growing up - i guess it is the new generation

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 21, 2012
6:58 AM

Post #9363715

All well and good, but it takes time to do that large an area. My wife needs to get out to go to work, especially on days she is at the hospital.
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2012
8:23 AM

Post #9363762

Oil delivery complete, I'm letting the tank settle before I crank up furnace. Owner of the company was out last month to repair furnace. Seems the previous company tech installed wrong nozzle and thus my fire box will need to be rebuilt come spring. I wonder how many newspapers I deliver each year to pay for switching out parts (even if wrong part!) on furnace and especially automobiles and then they still don't work right?

A good mechanic or repairman is worth their weight in gold and about as hard to find,

A shameless plea here to tip your newspaper carriers. So far, tips have covered 100 gals heating oil, two new car batteries and four tires, new ball joints and a muffler!

Card received from customer yesterday really touched me. It said

"Each day the newspaper appears, as if by magic,
But we know it isn't really magic --
it's your dedication
to all the customers on your route.
Thanks for the great job you do!"


Judy, the PaperGirl
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2012
8:26 AM

Post #9363765

From the UrbanSurvival site:



"We three kings of Central Banks are,

printing dough and spreading it far.

Profit-dreaming, always scheming,

Working late into the night..."

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2012
10:18 AM

Post #9363855

victor- salt well?? wonder how much snow can melt with 35$ worth of salt there. Why with so many out of work, is there not more labor around thus decreasing the cost of some things? supply/demand?

Our senior neighbor usually had his (very short) parking area already cleared while we were still sipping coffee and scratching our butts.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2012
1:01 PM

Post #9363951

Yay for dedicated paper deliverers!!! My boys always appreciated the tips they got.

Consigned an old hooked rug. The buyers wanted it framed, so when the owner of the shop called me to ask if I would lower my price because they wanted to get it framed. I told her that we do framing. Anyway, we took the finished piece to the shop this afternoon and the owner was blown away by how great it looked!! She said the buyers will be VERY happy. So, we put two framed prints of Jeff's drawings in her shop. See if there is any interest. Word of mouth!!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 21, 2012
6:06 PM

Post #9364229

Maybe you will get some more framing work out of it, too!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 21, 2012
6:22 PM

Post #9364248

Hoping so, thanks

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 22, 2012
6:43 AM

Post #9364536

excellent, Jan!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 22, 2012
6:53 AM

Post #9364543

Think tanks are saying that the local government could / should have gotten a lot more in licensing fees from the new casinos around here (MD, DC)
On the other hand, the casinos spent a whole lot of money in advertising before the vote. That money had to go to some businesses, and people working. In my mind , that's a good thing.
I still voted against the casinos and recently the new addition of table games.
No one had written a news piece discussing losses to businesses which had their customers lured away TO the fancy new places. Just like, no one ever wrote about how our biggest local mall became a dump after the good stores went to the even bigger newer mall ten minutes away (which now has a casino) . Location location...

Certain amount of money from new profits is required set aside for local benefit, offsetting the impact of development and traffic.. One proposal is a shuttle bus...from the airport to the casino... not that much use to local residents is it? and so it goes!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 22, 2012
5:33 PM

Post #9365009

Geeze!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-21/delta-gets-22-000-applications-for-300-flight-attendant-jobs.html

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 22, 2012
7:28 PM

Post #9365123

Meanwhile our county still 'has to ' pay school staff more and more to keep good people, so they say

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 22, 2012
8:48 PM

Post #9365171

Nice bonuses. Taxpayers got billions in loss.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/workers-at-gm-ford-to-score-nice-bonuses-this-year-2012-12-21
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

December 23, 2012
7:42 AM

Post #9365323

those bonuses are not outragious - not like what the wall street crowd was/is getting.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 23, 2012
2:26 PM

Post #9365549

Yes they are - they are LOSING taxpayer money bigtime. Though I was, and still am, against the Wall St. bailouts, ALL that $ has been paid back with interest. We lost billions on GM. Thousands of white collar workers lost their pensions and secured bondholders lost their $. It is a misnomer to even call it the GM or Chrysler bailout. It was a UAW bailout.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 23, 2012
5:46 PM

Post #9365651

Depressing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-21/american-dream-fades-for-generation-y-professionals.html

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 23, 2012
5:53 PM

Post #9365652

thanks for the warning
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 25, 2012
2:26 PM

Post #9366925

GMA this morning said the average price to raise a kid is now at 235,000 from born to 17, the lower income 212,000. Welfare has to be reformed.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2012
5:46 AM

Post #9367264

The new face of job security: http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/26/15907309-a-buyout-a-reorganization-and-the-new-face-of-job-security?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=2
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
5:53 AM

Post #9367268


What kind of bills do you get at Christmas time?

Answer: Jingle Bills!
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
7:02 AM

Post #9367333


If you line the entire world’s economists up – head-to-toe – and string them in a straight line, they still won’t reach a conclusion.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
8:53 AM

Post #9367457

The inconsistencies in the wages are hard to take I expect.

haha coleup!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
11:47 AM

Post #9367607

Jingle bills, jingle bils, ...

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
11:55 AM

Post #9367617

We got our statement for car insurance for the upcoming year, on Christmas eve. But Santa decided since our two young drivers have made it this far with no incidents, that we get a discount
YAY I DO beleive in Santa claus!!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2012
12:46 PM

Post #9367661

:)

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2012
2:33 PM

Post #9367764

So after an encouraging Black Friday, holiday sales flopped. Lower than expected. Blamed on Sandy, the shooting and fiscal cliff. I think the main reason is continued 'reality check' regarding this crappy economy. Personal debt continues to be paid down. Too bad the idiots in DC can't do the same.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 26, 2012
3:04 PM

Post #9367786

Not like it's real money...

"The Social Security program ran a $47.8 billion deficit in fiscal 2012 as the program brought in $725.429 billion in cash and paid $773.247 for benefits and overhead expenses, according to official data published by Social Security Administration."
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
3:34 PM

Post #9367821

Way to go, Sally's kids!!!

schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 26, 2012
4:22 PM

Post #9367864

Dont spend money if you dont have it. Duh You can go off the finacial cliff, make people pay more taxes/ but it will come to an end. Quit spending.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2012
6:45 AM

Post #9368257

GE executive retiring at 50, only getting paid until he is 60!

http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=20070798-8a86-41a8-8798-20414db90739

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 27, 2012
7:02 AM

Post #9368268

cripes

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 27, 2012
9:17 AM

Post #9368363

Yay Rudy
Read down to the mention of Giuliani
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perp_walk

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 27, 2012
9:23 AM

Post #9368367

Geeze! GE is one of the worst, yet are pet favorites. They paid NO taxes two years ago, keep shipping jobs overseas, yet their CEO heads up the admin's job council. What a disgrace.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 28, 2012
3:32 PM

Post #9369327

So Congress, the VP and the judiciary just got a raise! Small, but they deserve a major CUT! NO raise until the budget is balanced, I say.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 28, 2012
3:35 PM

Post #9369332

I sent an email to my Senators and Rep. saying I was okay with proposed cuts to SS, but ONLY IF they cut their own salaries and retirement benefits by the same amount.

Guess it didn't help...
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

December 28, 2012
4:08 PM

Post #9369352

@ Age 63 they should retire. Not be 89 years old & in a wheel chair, in the Senate. Good Grief.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 28, 2012
4:29 PM

Post #9369377

Yes, I have always STRONGLY favored both term and AGE limits.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 28, 2012
5:33 PM

Post #9369418

[quote="victorgardener"]So Congress, the VP and the judiciary just got a raise! Small, but they deserve a major CUT! NO raise until the budget is balanced, I say.[/quote]

Hear hear !!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

December 28, 2012
7:35 PM

Post #9369498

I agree!!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 30, 2012
6:41 PM

Post #9370913

Markets should be fun tomorrow!!
coleup
annapolis, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 31, 2012
7:14 AM

Post #9371215

"A recent survey by AAA finds a strong likelihood of consumer confusion and the potential for voided warranties and vehicle damage as a result of the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) recent approval of E15 gasoline. An overwhelming 95 percent of consumers surveyed have not heard of E15, a newly approved gasoline blend that contains up to 15 percent ethanol. With little consumer knowledge about E15 and less than five percent of cars on the road approved by automakers to use the fuel, AAA is urging regulators and the industry to stop the sale of E15 until motorists are better protected. "

Yikes, my newest vehicle is a 1993!

Junker cars are going for $350 to $400 here.

This message was edited Dec 31, 2012 10:19 AM

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

December 31, 2012
7:49 AM

Post #9371235

The Sheetz gas station up in Wytheville has been selling E15 about a year, and they have a HUGE sign by that pump warning of the dangers of vehicle damage and voided car warranties.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2012
8:32 AM

Post #9371276

Trying to force people to buy electric cars?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2012
11:05 AM

Post #9371402

No surprise with this gov and this EPA.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2012
12:03 PM

Post #9371446

Accountant did a "pre" review of our taxes and realized she screwed something up with our taxes last year I had to pay the state almost $1200.00 booooo!!!!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2012
12:41 PM

Post #9371488

As I expected, the cliff deal contains taxes but no cuts. The GOP falls for this now for the third time. First with Reagan, then with Bush Sr. and now once again. A promise to look into cuts at a later date. Only 'good' thing is the higher threshold for tax increase.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

December 31, 2012
6:56 PM

Post #9371864

Where we are:

"Consider, for example, these seven “firsts” for the U.S. economy:
1. All-time record annual average gas price: In 2012, the average cost of a gallon of gas eclipsed the previous record by nine cents, bringing the annual average to $3.60.
2. All-time record food stamp participation: As of last month, for the first time in American history, 47,710,324 individuals -- roughly one out of every seven people living in the United States -- now receive food stamps.
3. All-time high youth unemployment: In the last four years, average youth unemployment eclipsed the previous record rising to 17.5% -- the highest ever in recorded U.S. history.
4. All-time high number of Americans no longer in the labor force: Never before in U.S. history have so many been sidelined from the workforce. Today, a record 88,921,000 Americans are no longer a part of the U.S. labor force.
5. All-time record number of Americans collecting disability: Medical advancements and technological innovations have increased life expectancy and made workplaces safer. Still, the number of Americans collecting Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) has skyrocketed in the last four years. Today, a record 8,827,795 individuals collect a disability check averaging $1,130.34 a month.
6. All-time record number of Americans living in poverty: According to the U.S. Census Bureau, a record 46.2 million people in America are living in poverty, the highest number in the 53 years that the Census Bureau has collected the figure.
7. All-time record U.S. debt: The last four years have exploded the U.S. debt to levels never seen before in American history. Presently, the United States is $16,400,000,000,000 in debt.
Will America continue on its present economic trajectory in 2013? Here’s hoping not."

jumper2

jumper2
Huron, OH
(Zone 5b)

January 1, 2013
6:17 AM

Post #9372089

I'm with you with the hoping not, Victor!
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

January 1, 2013
7:12 AM

Post #9372141

Same here. On a brighter note, I sold another scarf. Only one left in the shop.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2013
7:23 AM

Post #9372158

Yay Jan!

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

January 1, 2013
7:24 AM

Post #9372161

Well, well... Victor has a birthday. Hope it's a happy one.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2013
9:03 AM

Post #9372262

Thanks, d.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2013
12:50 PM

Post #9372501

Ugh. But no real surprise.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/jan/1/deficit-fiscal-cliff-bill-actually-spends-330-bill/

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 1, 2013
1:57 PM

Post #9372544

Tax hike in fiscal cliff deal in perspective.

Thumbnail by victorgardener
Click the image for an enlarged view.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 2, 2013
7:04 AM

Post #9373037

Not surprisingly, market overreacting to 'good news' of fiscal cliff deal. Tomorrow they will realize it was unjustified.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

January 2, 2013
7:50 AM

Post #9373073

Will they?
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

January 2, 2013
1:01 PM

Post #9373309

The Stock Market "Jitters" are over till the next cliff coming in March.

$1,130.34 a month for SSDI? My husband could stay home & do automotive jobs on the side & make more money. He charges 40 per hour and dont make that at the sawmill. In the summer time 60 per hour on the excavator & red tractor.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 2, 2013
3:00 PM

Post #9373407

February is the next 'crisis' - the next episode of the debt ceiling debate. Stay tuned.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

January 2, 2013
3:03 PM

Post #9373412

I thought it was March

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 2, 2013
3:08 PM

Post #9373422

Beginning of March is fiscal cliff part 2 - the supposed 'cuts', as well as the next continuing resolution to keep the gov 'working', since we don't seem to do budgets anymore. Twilight Zone.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

January 2, 2013
3:39 PM

Post #9373450

They should be doing it now. They will put a patch on it and start over utill they have to, Feb, March whatever. Like they did last year & the year before and come out with a fix on the Last Minute, Like they did Monday.

The Washington DC idots have to go on a Catastrophic Diet to stop spending and get the budget balanced. They need to get locked in DC & given no food till they SMARTEN UP.

Cant keep going the way its going.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 2, 2013
5:06 PM

Post #9373578

As with the Sandy bill, the fiscal cliff deal is filled with unrelated crap. It never ends.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/tim-carney-how-corporate-tax-credits-got-in-the-cliff-deal/article/2517397#.UOTZPHy9KSO

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 2, 2013
8:06 PM

Post #9373719

It all a bunch of baloney. And yet where is my outrage? I just feel like even writing my reps would be a joke to them. If things ever got really hot, they all have enough money to jump ship and move to Ecuador.

ROSES_R_RED

ROSES_R_RED
Mount Bethel, PA
(Zone 6a)

January 3, 2013
4:58 AM

Post #9373859

That graph has a crushing effect, Victor.
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

January 3, 2013
5:01 AM

Post #9373860

Same here, Sally. I feel like a lamb being led to slaughter.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 3, 2013
10:59 AM

Post #9374243

Ha - no surprise here. As I have said, Google is very close to this admin. Wonder if, now that Geithner said he is leaving by the end of the month, if the Google CEO's name will be back in the mix.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/google-dodges-bullet-as-ftc-closes-probe-85724.html?hp=l7

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 3, 2013
11:03 AM

Post #9374247

The sale of Al Gore's Current TV to Al Jazeera is precious. Mr. oil hater himself just pocketed 100 million by selling to a company owned by Qatar, which gets just about all its wealth from oil.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 3, 2013
1:00 PM

Post #9374339

Nice to be king...

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/01/02/inside-obamas-kailua-beach-vacation-homes
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

January 3, 2013
4:12 PM

Post #9374524

Hmmm... Camp David doesn't suit? I guess I would be more sensitive to what the total cost would be.
schickenlady
Sherrie In, NH
(Zone 5a)

January 3, 2013
4:45 PM

Post #9374559

Alone Air Force One airfare: $179,750 per hour

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 3, 2013
5:12 PM

Post #9374594

Yeah, crazy. 7 million.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
5:34 AM

Post #9374950

So after all the BS, middle class gets hit harder under this deal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2256972/Middle-earners-hit-hardest-revealed-workers-making-30-000-bigger-hit-earning-500-000-new-fiscal-deal.html

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 4, 2013
5:48 AM

Post #9374963

Middle class doesn't riot in the streets, or starve eating cat food in an unheated apartment, or burglarize. We just suck it up.
baaa, baaa

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
7:24 AM

Post #9375063

From someone on Twitter:

"The horrors of not going to college: 19 y/o nephew (1 year vo-tech diploma) just landed a tech job with Bell Helicopter. $47 per hour."

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
8:30 AM

Post #9375115

Ugh.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/youth-unemployment-11.5-percent-22.1-percent-for-young-blacks/article/2517561#.UOcDnHfhdjy

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 4, 2013
8:35 AM

Post #9375119

Vo tech is highly underrated

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
8:35 AM

Post #9375120

Lackluster jobs report again. Official Unemployment rate is 7.8%, but real one is 14.4%. Labor participation rate is dismal 63.6%. 22.7 million Americans without a job.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
8:38 AM

Post #9375123

Hubby went to vo tech

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
8:38 AM

Post #9375124

I didn't go to college

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
8:44 AM

Post #9375132

$20 million for four Christmas Presidential trips to HI. Mind-boggling in this economy.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 4, 2013
8:47 AM

Post #9375139

THere's been a huge push to get kids to 'college' in theory that they just lacked certain skills. LIttle to negative emphasis here on any kids going to vo tech, unless they ask, or are in certain groups in school.

Friend's autistic kid doing fantastic in skilled machining and started at a company in his junior summer. He's set, when couple years ago she thought he'd be collecting disability.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
8:49 AM

Post #9375141

Finding lots of kids don't want to work for a living doing blue collar jobs, they want to sit behind a computer all day and make $80K right off the bat

There is no one in the union hall to hire

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 4, 2013
8:55 AM

Post #9375147

blue collar jobs get a really bad rap, unfairly. But where would you get the training if you don't go to tech HS? THose tech colleges are pricey too. HS is afraid of steering too many kids to vo tech because 1 it does not give the school the prestige of college entry, and 2 they fear being accused of steering certain kids away from "the better college route" (discriminating)

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
8:56 AM

Post #9375150

If you join the plumbers/pipe fitters and hvac union they send you to school for free

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
9:02 AM

Post #9375159

Crazy. Kids are so spoiled. One reason I believe, aside from their dumb parents, is society telling them practically from birth how 'special' they are. They have developed a huge sense of entitlement.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
9:56 AM

Post #9375209

UGH, don't even get me started!!! Can't keep score at games cause "there are no losers"

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

January 4, 2013
9:58 AM

Post #9375212

Victor, it's not just kids who have "developed a huge sense of entitlement".

Too many adults believe their "education" entitles them to more, even if their education doesn't amount to anything but a couple of alphabet letters after their name...
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

January 4, 2013
10:37 AM

Post #9375262

entitlement in my opinion also includes not having to do chores around the home like mowing the lawn, raking leaves, and shoveling snow. there is a need to build a work ethic with kids these days.

ROSES_R_RED

ROSES_R_RED
Mount Bethel, PA
(Zone 6a)

January 4, 2013
11:04 AM

Post #9375287

We have two kids that are disciplinarians and expect a good work ethic from their kids. The other two think that their kids "deserve" everything without putting any effort into anything and are very lenient with them. Since they do not read these posts, I can admit that the first group is much easier to take.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 4, 2013
11:10 AM

Post #9375291

Isn't it 'funny' how different ones own kids can be from each other?

Many of us parents also wish our kids easy careers in office work, rather than more physical jobs.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

January 4, 2013
11:49 AM

Post #9375338

What's wrong with getting our hands 'dirty' with honest labor?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
12:18 PM

Post #9375368

A BIG yes to all this.

Darius - absolutely. Just meant that these days it begins in utero! I firmly believe there are many people in this recession who have chosen NOT to take jobs that they feel are not good enough for them.

Agree, Bill. My older guy has plenty of chores. Even when I use a plow guy for the driveway, he has to shovel out the walkway, the mailbox and all areas blocked by what the plow does. He takes care of the cats - feeding and scooping poop. Takes the garbage and recycles out. Does the salad at dinner. Now that he is 14, he will get working papers and hopefully will work this summer.

My brother and SIL are far too lenient - especially with my nephew. He has been in trouble with the law and is LAZY. 25 year sold and sitting home with them doing nothing. He has a real skill - plumbing, but since he lost his job with his uncle meh thinks work is going to find him! I would have thrown his a$$ out long ago.
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

January 4, 2013
12:24 PM

Post #9375378

received our 2013 property tax bill today - i was prepared to fight if it was inflated and was surprised to see it was accurate. and after checking all the real estate sites they have the property 30K higher on average - a few years back the town was right on the dollar. it is to painful to mention how much the overall value has dropped in 4 years. our taxes are included in the mortgage payment so that will drop some, we will continue with the same payment to increase the extra we put towards knocking down the principle.

I also learnt that we own basically all the wet lands and some land on the other side of them out back if zillow.com is to be believed - now all those rocks I re-purposed were mine all the time :)

This message was edited Jan 4, 2013 3:29 PM

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
12:26 PM

Post #9375380

Good idea. We pay extra each month.

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
12:59 PM

Post #9375419

good to know that it was yours anyway

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 4, 2013
1:09 PM

Post #9375426

Kids are all looking to CSI classes. Who even knew that was a job ten years ago? We need a reality glamor program for real work! Its a bit sad that Dirty Jobs talked about how rough and dirty and crappy all those jobs are.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

January 4, 2013
1:47 PM

Post #9375466

I don't think I had a clue what "work" really meant until I moved away from Maryland in 1980. Back then, "work" to me was time spent in an office, using my brain... all it really exercised was my brain, and encouraged the thinking that my high-priced salary made me special, or at least gave me entré into the upper 5% of wage earners. What a pile of crap.

People who still measure success by monetary values are in for a big comeuppance.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
1:50 PM

Post #9375479

I don't entirely agree with that, d. Brain work CAN be good work. It's not only physical stuff that counts. I have no regrets about engineering.

darius

darius
So.App.Mtns.
United States
(Zone 5b)

January 4, 2013
1:55 PM

Post #9375494

Victor, MY degree is also in engineering, and I don't regret it either.

However, that's not really my point about "work" that won't feed anyone when jobs/positions evaporate.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 4, 2013
2:06 PM

Post #9375508

That's what gardening is for!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 4, 2013
8:30 PM

Post #9375866

Certainly true there is not much true creating going on. Mostly just moving info around.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 6, 2013
10:51 AM

Post #9377198

Shocking - not.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/poor_some_ugar_on_me_0Hq1d3iPnvj2RwpsEDS7MN

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 6, 2013
10:53 AM

Post #9377201

Shocking - not, part 2. Really wish just ONE supporter would admit he/she was dead wrong.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/business/despite-new-health-law-some-see-sharp-rise-in-premiums.html?hp&_r=1&

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 6, 2013
10:54 AM

Post #9377203

Wow - we were just talking about this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257715/Study-shows-college-students-think-theyre-special--read-write-barely-study.html
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

January 7, 2013
11:04 AM

Post #9378186

interesting artictle on where the health of the US economy really is;

http://bostonglobe.com/business/2013/01/06/cliff-deal-still-leaves-broke/tR9qkUuulQth7SDBPVfVFP/story.html
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

January 7, 2013
11:52 AM

Post #9378237

year end 401k statements are coming in and show nice growth around 16% - which is counter to the current state of the economy - just does not make sense!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 7, 2013
12:21 PM

Post #9378280

From that I would surmise that Corporate profits have nothing to do with the economy.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 7, 2013
12:23 PM

Post #9378285

No, corp profits are not great either. It's the stock market that is WAY out of sync. Will correct soon.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 7, 2013
1:41 PM

Post #9378375

and the position to take ahead of correction is ...?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 7, 2013
1:43 PM

Post #9378377

$64,000 question!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 7, 2013
3:36 PM

Post #9378461

Could be...LITERALLY!!!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 7, 2013
3:38 PM

Post #9378466

Yes.

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

January 7, 2013
5:10 PM

Post #9378593

Most of the estimates I see for the stock market are predicting 5% growth this year. Problems are more about how wealth is being distributed. My pretaxed retirement plan is doing very well also. Plan is to keep putting money into it.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 7, 2013
7:14 PM

Post #9378687

Most predictions for 2000 were for double digit growth. Similar rosy predictions for 2008. Very few actually predict downturns. Not in their interest to. Not saying the drops will be comparable, but like the lottery commercial says, hey, you never know.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 8, 2013
10:06 AM

Post #9379115

After selling his tv network, Al Gore is now richer than Mitt Romney. Well well...

flowAjen

flowAjen
central, NJ
(Zone 6b)

January 8, 2013
1:19 PM

Post #9379283

must be nice

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 8, 2013
3:50 PM

Post #9379418

Your tax dollars at work.

http://freebeacon.com/powering-chinas-military/

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 8, 2013
3:52 PM

Post #9379422

aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

January 8, 2013
4:00 PM

Post #9379439

Double arrrgggghhhhh!!!!!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 8, 2013
4:24 PM

Post #9379471

IB has intellectual property rights on my stuff. Why doesn't the Govt have property rights when we foot the bill???

RosemaryK

RosemaryK
Lexington, MA
(Zone 6a)

January 8, 2013
5:36 PM

Post #9379536

I "talked to chuck" like the commercial. Victor would like that Schwab does not indulge in prognostictions for how much the market will grow or not. They DO say to overweight slightly in short to intermediate term bonds. This is what the big boys who lave lots of money for buying bonds are doing though people with money and institutional funds can handle the risk in long-term bonds as well.

At the Schwab office they had a chart showing from year to year where they saw the better investments including during the 2001 downturn. REITs made the list in 2011 but not since. I am currently comparing them to Edward Jones, Fidelity and Ameriprise. Seems each company still has different things they can do well and they have all changed a lot since ten years ago.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 8, 2013
5:41 PM

Post #9379542

Agree on the bonds. Unlike some, I don't see much chance of higher interest rates for a while. I like Schwab. Used to have a portfolio with them.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 12, 2013
3:01 PM

Post #9382997

So completely embarrassing and pathetic that there was serious discussion about minting a trillion dollar coin to raise the debt limit. Shows just how out of touch the 'leaders' are. Banana Republic stuff.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 12, 2013
3:06 PM

Post #9383002

gawd,. I wish you were kidding.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 12, 2013
3:45 PM

Post #9383027

Me too. Finally shot down for good today. Total abdication of responsibility on the part of many in government today.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 14, 2013
2:38 PM

Post #9384954

CEO of automaker Tesla 'hopes' to make a profit for the first time in the next year. They have received 465 million from us. He is doing nicely, though, having just bought a 17 million dollar home.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 14, 2013
7:52 PM

Post #9385364

Uggggghhhhhhh
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 15, 2013
6:52 AM

Post #9385692

So why do I pay for management of my retirement accounts? http://now.msn.com/orlando-cat-better-at-picking-stocks-than-professional-wealth-managers
wha
Pepperell, MA
(Zone 6a)

January 15, 2013
6:55 AM

Post #9385695

i hope that cat is not better than my choices!

memory i think you need to put this to test and see how your cats make out.
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 15, 2013
7:46 AM

Post #9385747

Want to put up some seed money for the experiment?
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

January 15, 2013
8:47 AM

Post #9385834

Hahaha. That tickled my funny bone

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 15, 2013
11:13 AM

Post #9385993

Need to talk to my cats. BUT when your cat is named Crash, not too confident in stock picking...
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 15, 2013
11:36 AM

Post #9386029

:) How is Crash doing these days?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 15, 2013
11:49 AM

Post #9386048

Okay. His thyroid was fine so the vet attributes the weight loss to the kidney disease. I am trying to feed him a bit extra now at midday. Thanks.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 15, 2013
4:58 PM

Post #9386482

Best wishes for Crash. But get a new kitty too and name it KaChing!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 15, 2013
5:01 PM

Post #9386486

Or Bubble??!
AYankeeCat
Fairfield County, CT
(Zone 6b)

January 16, 2013
6:28 AM

Post #9386896

Or Bear or Bull?

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 19, 2013
2:02 PM

Post #9390375

Mind numbing.


"Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) refer to the standard framework for financial reporting that most U.S. corporations employ. The act of intentionally producing false GAAP statements is a crime.

John Williams, writing at ShadowStats.com (subscription required), used the Treasury Department's latest financial statements and calculates the true 2012 federal deficit, which includes the net present value of unfunded liabilities like Social Security and Medicare) at:


$6.9 trillion

In 2011, using GAAP accounting, the federal deficit was:

$5.0 trillion

Which means the annual deficit grew at a rate of nearly:

30 percent in one year

Anyone who thinks this level of fiscal irresponsibility can last much longer, raise your hand."

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 19, 2013
3:45 PM

Post #9390454

sitting on my hands

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 19, 2013
3:56 PM

Post #9390466

Keep in mind they are referring to the ANNUAL BUDGET DEFICIT, not the national debt! Using the same accounting methods they compel businesses to use, the deficit is five times higher than the officially reported one.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 19, 2013
4:20 PM

Post #9390487

victor--I can only hope you are more cheerful in your home life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! than on this godforsaken thread.

Still, it has to be said. It helps me understand.

No one in charge takes responsibility. Finger pointing, and waiting for the other guy/ party to change first.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 19, 2013
4:27 PM

Post #9390495

Hee hee! Yes, I am good at compartmentalizing. If I were not, I'd be clinically depressed.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 19, 2013
4:32 PM

Post #9390496

By the way, the pork-laden Sandy relief bill that just passed completely wiped out this year's 'increased revenue' from the tax hike on the 'rich'. Nothing new.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

January 19, 2013
5:21 PM

Post #9390562

Their motto is "It's not really My money so it doesn't matter" (what I do as an elected official)

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 19, 2013
5:23 PM

Post #9390570

Yep.

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 20, 2013
10:14 AM

Post #9391251

Another disgusting example of the DC way. Term limits needed yesterday!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/us/medicare-pricing-delay-is-political-win-for-amgen-drug-maker.html?hp&_r=0
Jan23
Salem Cnty, NJ
(Zone 7b)

January 20, 2013
2:22 PM

Post #9391519

Picture me with my hands over my ears like the boy on Home Alone and shouting AAAAAAGGGGGHHHH!!

victorgardener

victorgardener
Lower Hudson Valley, NY
(Zone 6b)

January 20, 2013
8:44 PM

Post #9391926

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