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garden18
Sherman Oaks, CA
November 25, 2012 3:05 PM Post #9342223
| Please help identify this plant. Gaillardia look alike flowers on a robust shrub. What is it? 
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tlm1
Jacksonville, FL (Zone 9a)
November 25, 2012 3:31 PM Post #9342243
| Dahlia? |
singhg45
Delhi
India
November 25, 2012 3:32 PM Post #9342244
| I hope Gaillardia aristata 'Indian Yellow' |
tlm1
Jacksonville, FL (Zone 9a)
November 25, 2012 3:35 PM Post #9342248
| Do Gaillardias really get that tall? 4 ft. sounds really huge to me. |
Paperdaisy
Sydney
Australia
November 25, 2012 4:45 PM Post #9342302
| Huisache-daisy or Amblyolepis setigera? |
nel5397
Groveland, FL
November 25, 2012 6:36 PM Post #9342443
| it could be a helianthus or heliopsis of some kind. |
garden18
Sherman Oaks, CA
November 25, 2012 6:50 PM Post #9342471
| This is a real conundrum. It is a robust shrub, 4 feet tall by 4 feet wide. I have studied Heliopsis and Helianthus images and none of the flowers quite match the ones on this plant, which most closely resemble Gaillardia except that Gaillardia is a ground cover! |
garden18
Sherman Oaks, CA
November 25, 2012 7:24 PM Post #9342516
| Note the three-fingered petal margins. Very peculiar! |
spoonlegs
Cottage Grove, OR (Zone 8a)
November 25, 2012 9:17 PM Post #9342616
| How about Helenium autumnale (Sneezeweed)?
http://www.gatewaygardens.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.pl... |
sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD (Zone 7a)
November 25, 2012 9:56 PM Post #9342636
| More pics here
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1288961/
You can reply to your own thread and post them here.
H autumnale petals and overall size sound right. |
garden18
Sherman Oaks, CA
November 26, 2012 2:35 AM Post #9342675
| I am beginning to think this is a hybrid on account of its often saggitate (triangular) foliage, which means it could not be a Helenium, whose foliage is always lanceolate. Flowers are close to Helenium type but I still see a difference. 
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altagardener
Calgary, AB (Zone 3b)
November 26, 2012 5:21 AM Post #9342718
| Looks like Heliopsis helianthoides - the leaves would have to be opposite, if so; can't quite make it out from the photos. Definitely not Helenium.
Edit: I see you put additional photos in another thread. Can you get a good photo to show whether the leaves are opposite or alternate, and add it here by replying to the last message?
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singhg45
Delhi
India
November 26, 2012 7:42 AM Post #9342823
| Yes after seeing the additional photographs, Helenium and Gaillardia seem to be out of picture, and Heliopsis helianthoides seems to be the logical choice. Although rays are generally narrow in heliopsis helianthoides, but 3-toothed broader rays are frequently seen in some cultivars. |
vngarden
Seattle, WA
November 26, 2012 4:40 PM Post #9343260
| Verbesina encelioides? |
DVME
Tampa, FL
November 26, 2012 7:57 PM Post #9343458
| Maybe False Sunflower 
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sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD (Zone 7a)
November 26, 2012 8:07 PM Post #9343468
| I like the Heliopsis helianthoides/ False sunflower guess, by leaf appearance. If I recall correctly- the ray flowers of Heliopsis will have a stamen attached? |
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX (Zone 9a)
November 26, 2012 8:11 PM Post #9343471
| Looks like Verbesina enceloides to me. The blue-ish cast to the leaves and the shape of the leaves all match. |
DVME
Tampa, FL
November 26, 2012 9:11 PM Post #9343499
| I thinks it's the rough Heliopsis |
vngarden
Seattle, WA
November 26, 2012 9:18 PM Post #9343503
| here is the link to Verbesina enceliodes:
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1259&bih=586&gbv...
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singhg45
Delhi
India
November 26, 2012 10:04 PM Post #9343519
| Thanks vngarden and steadycam3
You finally nailed the ID and reminded me that I had already photographed and got identified it in my another forum efloraofindia, photographed from India. I am attaching the same
Verbesina encelioides from Near Panchkula, Haryana, India
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steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX (Zone 9a)
November 26, 2012 11:26 PM Post #9343533
| Singh, there is only one lonely photo in DG plant files, would you consider posting your lovely shot to the plant files? This goes to you, too, garden18. will you post to plant files? I have some seed photos Im planning to post after seeing there is only one photo there. |
sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD (Zone 7a)
November 27, 2012 7:27 AM Post #9343675
| For the sake of --let's not say argument edification,-- how can we tell apart the Heliopsis from the Verbesina? |
altagardener
Calgary, AB (Zone 3b)
November 27, 2012 8:50 AM Post #9343738
| For one, Verbesina enceliodes has leaves "all or mostly alternate" - see details here:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=2...
Heliopsis helianthoides has all opposite leaves. |
singhg45
Delhi
India
November 27, 2012 9:35 AM Post #9343778
| I think the simplest is Heliopsis helianthoides with leaves opposite, broader and regularly toothed, in Verbesina encelioides atleast upper leaves alternate, narrower and unequally toothed,
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=57503&flor...
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=57509&flor...
In addition on technical side the ray florets persist for a longer time and become papery in Helopsis, whereas they fall off earlier in Verbesina. |
sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD (Zone 7a)
November 27, 2012 4:42 PM Post #9344118
| Thanks! |
