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gaillardia type flowers on a four foot tall shrub

Sherman Oaks, CA

Please help identify this plant. Gaillardia look alike flowers on a robust shrub. What is it?

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Jacksonville, FL(Zone 9a)


Delhi, India

I hope Gaillardia aristata 'Indian Yellow'

Jacksonville, FL(Zone 9a)

Do Gaillardias really get that tall? 4 ft. sounds really huge to me.

Sydney, Australia

Huisache-daisy or Amblyolepis setigera?

Groveland, FL

it could be a helianthus or heliopsis of some kind.

Sherman Oaks, CA

This is a real conundrum. It is a robust shrub, 4 feet tall by 4 feet wide. I have studied Heliopsis and Helianthus images and none of the flowers quite match the ones on this plant, which most closely resemble Gaillardia except that Gaillardia is a ground cover!

Sherman Oaks, CA

Note the three-fingered petal margins. Very peculiar!

Cottage Grove, OR(Zone 8a)

How about Helenium autumnale (Sneezeweed)?

Anne Arundel,, MD(Zone 7b)

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H autumnale petals and overall size sound right.

Sherman Oaks, CA

I am beginning to think this is a hybrid on account of its often saggitate (triangular) foliage, which means it could not be a Helenium, whose foliage is always lanceolate. Flowers are close to Helenium type but I still see a difference.

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Calgary, AB(Zone 3b)

Looks like Heliopsis helianthoides - the leaves would have to be opposite, if so; can't quite make it out from the photos. Definitely not Helenium.

Edit: I see you put additional photos in another thread. Can you get a good photo to show whether the leaves are opposite or alternate, and add it here by replying to the last message?

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Delhi, India

Yes after seeing the additional photographs, Helenium and Gaillardia seem to be out of picture, and Heliopsis helianthoides seems to be the logical choice. Although rays are generally narrow in heliopsis helianthoides, but 3-toothed broader rays are frequently seen in some cultivars.

Seattle, WA

Verbesina encelioides?

Tampa, FL

Maybe False Sunflower

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Anne Arundel,, MD(Zone 7b)

I like the Heliopsis helianthoides/ False sunflower guess, by leaf appearance. If I recall correctly- the ray flowers of Heliopsis will have a stamen attached?

Houston Heights, TX(Zone 9a)

Looks like Verbesina enceloides to me. The blue-ish cast to the leaves and the shape of the leaves all match.

Tampa, FL

I thinks it's the rough Heliopsis

Delhi, India

Thanks vngarden and steadycam3
You finally nailed the ID and reminded me that I had already photographed and got identified it in my another forum efloraofindia, photographed from India. I am attaching the same
Verbesina encelioides from Near Panchkula, Haryana, India

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Houston Heights, TX(Zone 9a)

Singh, there is only one lonely photo in DG plant files, would you consider posting your lovely shot to the plant files? This goes to you, too, garden18. will you post to plant files? I have some seed photos Im planning to post after seeing there is only one photo there.

Anne Arundel,, MD(Zone 7b)

For the sake of --let's not say argument edification,-- how can we tell apart the Heliopsis from the Verbesina?

Calgary, AB(Zone 3b)

For one, Verbesina enceliodes has leaves "all or mostly alternate" - see details here:

Heliopsis helianthoides has all opposite leaves.

Delhi, India

I think the simplest is Heliopsis helianthoides with leaves opposite, broader and regularly toothed, in Verbesina encelioides atleast upper leaves alternate, narrower and unequally toothed,



In addition on technical side the ray florets persist for a longer time and become papery in Helopsis, whereas they fall off earlier in Verbesina.

Anne Arundel,, MD(Zone 7b)


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