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vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 8, 2012
3:46 PM

Post #9353217

Please id the tree from these images. Photos taken in Seattle, WA

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growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


December 9, 2012
12:22 AM

Post #9353424

Reminds me of Viburnum or maybe an extremely large Cotoneaster but it would probably have fruit about now. If it's in Seattle proper, and you know the location, I can try to track it down in my Trees of Seattle book. I can't tell if it's a tree or just an old specimen shrub and if it's evergreen or not.
Rlalique
Bristol
United Kingdom

December 9, 2012
12:47 AM

Post #9353430

I'd go along with the cotoneaster id.

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

December 9, 2012
2:11 AM

Post #9353435

Can you get some better foliage pics? It's not easy to see if the leaves are alternate or opposite in these pics.

Fairly certain it's not a Cotoneaster with those felted white undersides to the leaves.

Resin
vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 9, 2012
3:23 AM

Post #9353444

probably be back there to take some photos. it is a walking distance from where I live. The leaves are still hanging on around this time of the year so I think it maybe an evergreen tree.

I saw this plant here before and it is not a prize garden plant. I think most people grow it in a hedge formation.

I don't think I ever saw this tree with any fruit or flower. I am not well versed in tree but my guess could be some other Prunus. I'll walk overthere for some more pics to upload.

This message was edited Dec 9, 2012 3:29 AM

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

December 9, 2012
9:52 AM

Post #9353709

I agree with Resin - some clearer images of the stems showing the leaf arrangements should be provided. That is always great for primary determination for at least what a plant isn't.

Chides @ growin: all self-respecting Viburnum sp. will be opposite, while Cotoneaster sp. favor alternate arrangements.

All that said: I seem to make out alternate arrangement of foliage from the first and third images. Nixes Viburnum sp. as a choice. As Resin notes - the felted leaf undersides are a key, as are what look like pretty fuzzy petioles on those leaves.

Take a shot of the WHOLE plant. Snip one of those many wayward stems, and bring it back home where you can focus on some of the smaller details (like buds).
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 9, 2012
10:12 AM

Post #9353720

I think the leaves are alternate, but I can't think about Cotoneaster. I had photographed similar Eriobotrya in Sunnyvale (both E. excelsa and E. japonica). Looks similar to E. japonica.

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

December 9, 2012
10:30 AM

Post #9353731

singhg45:

You should add Eriobotrya excelsa to PlantFiles; can't find a listing there.

The other Eriobotrya sp. seem to have quite dentate leaf margins in images I've perused, while the plant in question above looks like it has entire margins.
vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 9, 2012
10:55 AM

Post #9353747

Just got back to take pictures of the tree. I have Eribotrya (loquat) as part of my photo collection so I should know what it should look like. I think the tree is about to come down as it is taped with the yellow police "do not cross" tape by the trunk. I think it a wild tree from seeds or something.

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ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

December 9, 2012
11:00 AM

Post #9353750

Still looks to be alternately arranged - though no definitive images shown there - and still appears to have entire margins.
vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 9, 2012
11:54 AM

Post #9353801

The bark reminds me of Photinia but I am not sure.

vitrsna

vitrsna
Colima
Mexico
(Zone 11)

December 9, 2012
12:31 PM

Post #9353829

hello vn...are you sure the photos were taken in Seattle? there seemed to me to be something amiss about them, something not quite right...oh yes, the sky is BLUE...you photo shopped that in right? :-D

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


December 9, 2012
12:35 PM

Post #9353832

This might sound a bit odd but maybe a vintage Rhodo. Compare the earlier photos and new photos to rule out.

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


December 9, 2012
12:37 PM

Post #9353836

vitrsna, it was rather sunny yesterday and now it's raining. Seattle and Vancouver often share the same weather.
vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 9, 2012
1:38 PM

Post #9353905

vitrsna wrote:hello vn...are you sure the photos were taken in Seattle? there seemed to me to be something amiss about them, something not quite right...oh yes, the sky is BLUE...you photo shopped that in right? :-D


The first set of images were taken in Seattle. The weather was so nice I decided to walk around the neighborhood to take some photos. Some members here asked me to take more pictures so i went back there today which is cloudy with scattering shower.

I use iphoto, not Adobe photoshop.

Meant to say first set of images taken in Seattle yesterday.

This message was edited Dec 9, 2012 1:39 PM
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 9, 2012
1:39 PM

Post #9353907

Yes it is growing interesting with all of us trying our best. Hope we find the true identity soon. Rhododendron can be explored further.
vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 9, 2012
1:42 PM

Post #9353911

It could be very well be a vintage Rhodo.

vitrsna

vitrsna
Colima
Mexico
(Zone 11)

December 9, 2012
2:03 PM

Post #9353934

hello vn...well, my comment was meant to be funny (like a joke). i lived in Seattle for a couple dozen years plus or minus and we were always joking about the weather...for example, during a picnic gathering (on a sunny day i might add) someone brought a book of black and white photos of very old Seattle and we were all looking and admiring and trying to place the photos and one person piped up with "yes, and the photos are all in very good color too"...it took us about 15 minutes to stop laughing. good luck with your id.
vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 9, 2012
2:15 PM

Post #9353946

I wasn't offended! Everyone from out of town who came to Seattle and didn't see the rain or shower they were surprised!
I walked around the neighborhood to take some photos and even if this one is not identified I am not loosing sleep over it! If it is not being hacked down, I could go back in the spring to see if it blooms or not.

thanks to everyone!

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

December 9, 2012
3:05 PM

Post #9353983

Must admit, the leaves look opposite to me.

Resin

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


December 9, 2012
3:22 PM

Post #9353998

Resin, what'dya think about the Rhodo suggestion?

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

December 9, 2012
3:38 PM

Post #9354018

growin wrote:Resin, what'dya think about the Rhodo suggestion?


Doesn't fit at all for me ;-) wrong buds, wrong shoot structure, and as mentioned, I'm seeing opposite leaves.

Resin
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 9, 2012
5:15 PM

Post #9354090

Dear vngarden
Perhaps you will have to help us in deciding whether leaves are alternate or opposite to proceed further. In the third photograph of the first set most leaves arising near the trunk (hope they belong to same plant) are alternate. In the second set some branches seem to have a few alternate leaves (unless the other leaf has fallen off), but there seem two opposite leaves, topped by a single leaf of same size (rather than bud). This seems to create some confusion. Please get one or two good photographs to clear this issue.

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


December 9, 2012
5:21 PM

Post #9354099

I think they are decussate (opposite alternating) or maybe whorled.
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 9, 2012
10:00 PM

Post #9354279

Dear Viburnumvalley
I am uploading images of Eriobotrya japonica from Sunnyvale CA, and Kashmir for comparison with first photograph of first set. They are surely dentate in E. deflexa (sorry for my earlier typo error E. excelsa) but fairly entire in E. japonica

Images of Eriobotrya japonica from California and Kashmir

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growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


December 9, 2012
11:17 PM

Post #9354286

vngarden's plant lacks corrugation and is fairly flat. It also lacks the minimal serrations on Eriobotrya. The caution tape looks like it's been there for a while so I doubt it's coming down anytime soon. I still have this weird feeling it's an old Rhodo.

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

December 10, 2012
3:42 PM

Post #9354983

singhg45:

You first image is making a run at entirety, though there are minimal serrations/bristles in there. Your second image has a mouthful of teeth (well, maybe better described as bristles) along those margins.

growin:

Is this what you mean? From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/decussate :
Quoting:2. Botany - Arranged on a stem in opposite pairs at right angles to those above or below, resulting in four vertical rows: decussate leaves.


That is similar or the same term as ranked, as in what I think Weigela florida and Physostegia virginiana leaves look like along the stem - not the unknown plant above.

Please don't misunderstand - not claiming any superior botanical prowess...more looking for affirmation that I think I understand the terminology.

growin

growin
Vancouver, BC
(Zone 8b)


December 10, 2012
5:21 PM

Post #9355079

Ok, leaf arrangement FAIL on my part. What I find strange is on the second set of photos of this plant, first image, shows a branch in the middle-top with both opposite and alternate. Go figure. Check out this pic: http://www.rhodogroup-rhs.org/Dictionary/Rhododendron/R.delavayi.htm it grows tall enough, has the white indumentum on the undersides and I've seen them around.

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

December 10, 2012
5:47 PM

Post #9355096

growin wrote:What I find strange is on the second set of photos of this plant, first image, shows a branch in the middle-top with both opposite and alternate. Go figure.


Looks to me like it has lost several leaves; as far as I can tell, the single 'alternate' leaves have a leaf scar opposite them on the twig where a former opposite leaf was earlier.

Resin
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 10, 2012
6:19 PM

Post #9355117

Having discussed various options and Eriobotrya being out of contention, I think Rhodendron seems to be best option. I was already uncomfortable with opposite leaves suggestion, but now Opposite and decussate leaves has further stumped me. I wish vngarden comes to our rescue. This is how a typical opposite and decussate condition would present (it is Stellaria meda image)
vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 10, 2012
6:28 PM

Post #9355127

I tend to lean toward Rhodo but I am not authoritative on trees. I am heading to Bank of America this week so I would stop by to take more photos with different angles so we can narrow our options.

If you don't know by now, Rhododendron is prevalent in the Pacific Northwest.

Upload more photos later.
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 10, 2012
8:47 PM

Post #9355211

I don't know how I missed Stellaria media upload to show opposite and decussate leaves. Here it is

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vngarden
Seattle, WA

December 11, 2012
11:17 AM

Post #9355646

More photos to narrow our options.

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