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steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 22, 2012
4:28 PM

Post #9364956

Where are your winecups planted? Next to what other plants? NSE or W exposure?
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

December 23, 2012
7:19 AM

Post #9365312

Full sun seems best and the don't do well crowded by other plants. Give them lots of room to make a big clump. I like to plant them where they can drape over a rock edge. I don't find they are too picky about much else.
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 23, 2012
11:28 PM

Post #9365784

Thanks, Newton. ' Wanna make sure mine survive.

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 24, 2012
2:45 PM

Post #9366213

I have mine planted with low growing plants on the bed by the curb.
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 24, 2012
4:09 PM

Post #9366252

Josephine, That is absolutely lovely! It looks like your plants are in part shade/part sun etc. It that correct or just something about how the photo was taken?

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 24, 2012
7:24 PM

Post #9366415

Yes, they are part shade, or filtered sun, there is a very large tree that covers the front yard, but it has been trimmed to a high canopy, so there is plenty of light.
This year is the first time i have been able to grow them successfully and they sure are pretty, the bloomed for about two months and they attracted a lot of attention.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 27, 2012
9:28 PM

Post #9368792

Steady are you sowing seeds or planting starter plants?
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 27, 2012
10:33 PM

Post #9368804

I got two plants in pots from the LBJ Wildflower center last year. I planted one and kept the other in a pot. I think the one I planted in the ground died so I am being more careful about planting this one. It is in a 1 quart pot and about 8" across. It looks healthy at this point.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

December 28, 2012
3:29 AM

Post #9368827

I havent found them very difficult. I have the same plant I bought about 5 years ago plus others that came up as small seedlings from the mother plant. I will say not to try and move a larger plant due to the root structure. I move the seedlings when they are very small so as not to break roots on larger plants. The only issue for me is crowding. They really can get covered by other plants pretty easily.
C
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 28, 2012
5:24 AM

Post #9368860

I just remembered I did not get these from the wildflower center, I got them from Rouxcrew, Joy, in Hempstead at the spring Ru last year. Cheryl, do you think I should just grow it in the pot, now that it has been in a pot for almost a year? or did your advice only apply to digging a plant up out of the ground and moving it? I was waiting for fall to plant this other one so it might have a better chance of surviving. It just got to be fall here about 2 weeks ago.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

December 28, 2012
6:22 AM

Post #9368895

I would not leave it in the pot. I would put it out early in the spring, very early in a suitable local. I was referring to digging one up from the ground. Putting out a potted plant is easy, digging one up in a bed often breaks tap roots. I also don't know about moisture for these. It does well with drought conditions and seems to be fine with clay soils or sandy ones. I have one growing in a dry bed and some in beds with nice soil that get more moisture. I think the plant that died was an anomoly, they are really easy plants to grow. Who knows, it might come back from the roots when the weather changes.

C

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 28, 2012
7:14 AM

Post #9368953

I got mine from a friend who had thousands of seedlings, how lucky can you get, right? She has sandy soil, mine is amended clay.
She gave me a tupperware rectangular container filled with soil and planted with tiny seedlings, not a good way to grow them but a very good way to transport them, she even had the cover on the container to keep it from spilling.

I am hoping that mine will self seed, but I am afraid that the clay won't be as receptive to seedlings as the sand.
In any event, I did collect seeds and have winter sown some, so we shall see what happens here.

I think Cheryl is right, setting a plant out from a pot with the roots intact should not harm your plant at all.

I must say that I have soaker hoses in that bed, it is feet 5 wide and 125 long and I have it covered with mulch as well.
I water it once a week if it hasn't rained, which as of late has been the norm.
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

December 28, 2012
8:22 AM

Post #9368988

Thanks, so much guys. I was wondering how you got so many of them, Jo. You hit the jack pot on that one!
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

December 28, 2012
9:16 AM

Post #9369016

I get a couple of seedlings each year so you will get more to work with over time. They are pretty easy to find through mail order to if you want to spend the money.
C
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 28, 2012
9:56 PM

Post #9369557

Thanks, Winecups may be my favorite native. I usually sow seeds fall/winter but the weather has been so strange it has never felt like fall. I was just about to go get my plant book then I realized I'm in a hotel in So Cal. Oh my...

stephanietx

stephanietx
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

December 29, 2012
5:06 PM

Post #9370148

LOL Lisa!

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

December 30, 2012
12:07 PM

Post #9370649

I understand perfectly. sigh, So Cal- enjoy, take pix,

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 22, 2013
7:13 AM

Post #9393502

LOL Lisa...been there done that!
Josephine, and several others have given me winecups over the years and none seem to have survived. ...Yet! I am going to dig some up from my sisters house that she mows down all the time and try over and over until I am sucessful! You curb is georgeous Jo, even if you had to relocate other plants because of the City.

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 22, 2013
10:22 AM

Post #9393692

Yes, it appears that I was able to make lemonade from the lemons they handed me. That will show them!!!
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 22, 2013
3:39 PM

Post #9393994

The only time I've had luck with Winecups is to toss the seeds in the fall/winter. I've never been able to transplant them, not if I want them to live, that is. Lol
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

January 22, 2013
5:45 PM

Post #9394122

All of mine have lived but I bought them in pots. The only transplants I do are the very tiny ones before the tap root gets too big.
sweetmommy
Fulshear, TX
(Zone 9b)

January 23, 2013
2:27 PM

Post #9395090

I'm fortunate enough to have them all over my property but every time I've tried to transplant one, it died. All of mine do very well in full sun and unamended soil. Yours are beautifully "tamed" Josephine!!

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 23, 2013
6:48 PM

Post #9395404

Thank you Sweetmommy, they were tiny seedlings when a friend gave them to me, that was quite a blessing.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 25, 2013
7:10 PM

Post #9397735

Well transplanting may not work for me. I need to look for some seeds maybe.
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

January 25, 2013
7:20 PM

Post #9397745

I got two at the Hempstead RU last Spring in 1 gal pots, I planted one, kept the other in the pot. I thought the planted one had died but it is coming up now. The one in the pot looks good. I plan to plant it very soon. I hope I haven't jinxed them by posting this!

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 25, 2013
7:44 PM

Post #9397774

LOL!
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

January 26, 2013
2:58 AM

Post #9397873

If you collect plants I would suggest you only dig the really small ones with small roots.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 27, 2013
9:09 AM

Post #9399040

I don't go to her house often, but will see what I can find next time.
Thanks

rouxcrew

rouxcrew
(Joy) Hempstead, TX
(Zone 8b)

January 29, 2013
10:30 AM

Post #9401327

I used to have bunches in front of my front fence at the entrance to the farm but my dear neighbor would mow them down "helping" me. My best bunch is also in filtered light in the back yard. I hope I can get some more potted up for the spring RU. I agree with Cheryl, they are hard to dig up successfully when large although if you go big like I did for Marty, they will handle being moved. I am a consumate rustler, LOL.
sweetmommy
Fulshear, TX
(Zone 9b)

January 29, 2013
7:40 PM

Post #9402063

Keep trying. I saw a 1 gallon pot of them at my local nursery for $7!!!
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 2, 2013
9:14 AM

Post #9405920

Here is what I mean by volunteers. These are still small enough to move, most from last summer. This is more than I usually get.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 2, 2013
9:23 AM

Post #9405931

The area is under a large plant. The plantlets managed to survive without any sun.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 6, 2013
6:20 AM

Post #9410016

Goodness now I know why I never was able to grow them! Those look like the purple flower that pops up everywhere in the spring, and I pull them up! Need to wait a bit longer and make sure in the future.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 6, 2013
12:56 PM

Post #9410404

They do look like a weed with pink flowers but if you look closely the leaves are different.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 6, 2013
1:17 PM

Post #9410421

Ground ivy, Glechoma hederacea
Leaves are a brighter green and more scalloped edges. Vein patterns are different also. BTW I hate this weed but it is easy to pull.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 6, 2013
1:21 PM

Post #9410424

Baby winecups, web image. Mine were pretty dark. Note how round the leaves are, they become more dissected with age.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 6, 2013
9:44 PM

Post #9410821

Shelia-I was thinking exactly the same thing. Lol. I have learned not to pull anything! But by the time they are actually grown I don't know what they started out looking like. Mine have deep burgundy flowers, so pretty.

frostweed

frostweed
Josephine, Arlington, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 7, 2013
6:00 AM

Post #9410965

There is one plant whose leaves are very similar to Winecup and it starts growing at about the same time in spring.
Carolina Geranium, they are almost identical, but the geranium has a lighter more yellow green leaf, and also the texture is a little thinner. If you are not familiar with both, it is hard to tell.
Another giveaway is that Winecup has a tuberous taproot even when very small and the geranium does not.

Here is the geranium http://wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=19447
and the Winecup http://wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=21688

I hope that helps.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 7, 2013
7:38 AM

Post #9411043

Thats one weed I don't have. It does look very similar. My winecups have more rounded leaves when small.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 8, 2013
9:10 PM

Post #9412731

Great links both of you. I have issues with about all of those except the ground ivy I think! LOL! My main problem is the one in your link Cheryl, called Persian Speedwell. It started about three years ago down in the back where rain washes from surounding yards, and has spread like wildfire all over my backyard. It blankets the flowerbeds and even out into the grass.
Josephine, that is a great help, I think I may have one winecup! I will check tomorrow.
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 9, 2013
4:26 AM

Post #9412800

It is a bad pest Sheila, one good thing-its easy to pull up.
steadycam3
Houston Heights, TX
(Zone 9a)

February 9, 2013
4:35 AM

Post #9412806

would this Persian Speedwell ( which I had never heard of or seen) make a good ground cover?
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 9, 2013
6:58 AM

Post #9412945

LOL might and it does have pinkish flowers. It can definately spread to take over a larger area if left alone. It gets kind of tall and rangy though and I think its an annual.

Sheila_FW

Sheila_FW
Fort Worth, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 10, 2013
8:06 AM

Post #9414073

I had this identified as Creeping Speedwell, Veronica filiformis once. Pretty sure it's not that one, it looks more like the Persian. Here are my pictures.

This message was edited Feb 10, 2013 9:22 PM
newtonsthirdlaw
Arlington, TX

February 10, 2013
11:46 AM

Post #9414264

It's not what I have. Mine have rounder leaves and smaller pink flowers.

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