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Plant Identification: SOLVED: Black Berries for miles on Christmas Day? Elderberry?

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robertleegrant
Alexandria, LA

December 26, 2012
8:44 AM

Post #9367446

Growing wild along the bayou in back. TONS of berries.
Elderberry, maybe? In December? And, are the
leaves correct? Not saw-tooth at all, but thick
And leathery like a pear tree. Need to verify
Safe to eat due to neighborhood chillin'
Thanks for the ID assistance!

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sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
8:58 AM

Post #9367470

They're not elderberries, of this I am sure.
TomH3787
Raleigh, NC
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
9:27 AM

Post #9367498

Ligustrum - definitely not safe to eat.
robertleegrant
Alexandria, LA

December 26, 2012
10:56 AM

Post #9367569

Hmm. Ligustrum looks like a solid candidate.
Wondering, though. These trees are growing wild
In a swampy area behind my house. They weren't
Planted there. It's native to Asia but is that
Invasive? We built the house three years ago.
Could a neighborhood landscaping have spread
That far and grown (15' minimum) that fast?
New closer pic.
Thanks again!

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sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
10:59 AM

Post #9367571

robert robert robert...yes this is one of many many plants which, though not native, can spread far and wide and thick! Ever heard of kudzu?
google non native invasive plants

Sorry to disappoint you after thinking you might have tons of elderberries
robertleegrant
Alexandria, LA

December 26, 2012
11:22 AM

Post #9367586

No problem, I am only slightly dissapointed, but very greatful to have the information. Now that I have the plant name, I am reading about allergic reaction to it, and maybe that explains some things going on in our house.

So, in Spring, it's defintely going.

Interesting point, though. Four years ago, our neighborhood was a soybean field alongside a swampy bayou. So, unless it made the jump sooner, these Ligustrum made the leap from someone's ornimental landscaping to swamp-living, berry covered, 20 ft high monsters in a realtively short period. Interesting to me, as novice, anyway. Bah. I needed an excuse to buy a chainsaw. ;-)

So, I guess we call this one 'solved'. Thanks for the assist!

robertleegrant
Alexandria, LA

December 26, 2012
11:25 AM

Post #9367589

Nice disucssion on the relative 'evil' of the Ligustrum from another site...

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/txgard/msg051057539055.html

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

December 26, 2012
11:54 AM

Post #9367614

And then we hope the elderberry moves in!

More
http://www.gri.msstate.edu/ipams/species.php?SName=Ligustrum japonicum
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 26, 2012
1:04 PM

Post #9367671

I thought we should be considering Californian Privet, Ligustrum ovalifolium. Waxleaf Ligustrum L. japonicum, is a shorter rarely growing more than 8 feet. L. ovalifolium can reach 15 feet, leaves are dark green above, yellowish-green beneath, as can be clearly seen in the last single photograph.

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

December 26, 2012
1:14 PM

Post #9367688

Add another (but no less an awful pest) species that is likely: http://www.gri.msstate.edu/ipams/species.php?SName=Ligustrum sinense

Dimes to doughnuts this species is aggressively aggregating acres around robertleegrant...

ViburnumValley

ViburnumValley
Scott County, KY
(Zone 5b)

December 26, 2012
1:15 PM

Post #9367691

For some reason, cutting/pasting the link leaves the specific epithet unlinked. Look up Ligustrum sinense and see if that is not a match for the problem plant.
singhg45
Delhi
India

December 26, 2012
2:14 PM

Post #9367745

Perhaps robertleegrant can check it. L. sinense should be leafless by now, and leaves hairy beneath along midrid. L. ovalifolium is semievergreen, and leaves not hairy along midrib. The real distinction is flowers, corolla tube 2-3 times longer than lobes in L. ovalifolium, as long or shorter than lobes in L. sinense.
ecrane3
Dublin, CA
(Zone 9a)

December 26, 2012
3:42 PM

Post #9367834

L. ovalifolium is not listed as occurring in Louisiana (according to http://plants.usda.org which for some reason won't let me link to the actual page for the plant today) It does occur in some nearby states (TX, AL, FL) so I wouldn't completely rule it out, but I think it's more likely to be one of the Ligustrum species known to occur in LA (L. japonicum, L. lucidum, L. sinense, or L. vulgare).

Resin

Resin
Northumberland
United Kingdom
(Zone 9a)

December 26, 2012
4:23 PM

Post #9367865

robertleegrant wrote:So, in Spring, it's defintely going.


I'd make it go now, as soon as you can, before those berries seed themselves everywhere!

Resin
nel5397
Groveland, FL

December 26, 2012
5:58 PM

Post #9367937

that tree looks like ligustrum lucidum. that kind of ligustrum can grow into a 20 to 25 foot tree very easily and produces a large quantity of seeds.

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