I was putting together a seed order for Baker Creek and I noticed several heirloom choices for yellow cherry tomatoes. Including one of Carolyn's which I plan on ordering. My choices are limited only by growing time since we have a relatively short season. I have used the Sungold hybrid in the past which is the first and most prolific yellow tomato to produce in my garden and I would like something comparable. I think one or two selections were determinates, which as I recall some comments in other threads, were not as sweet as the indeterminate varieties. Suggestions??? Thanks
Morgan, I'm not sure which variety at Baker Creek you're calling mine, unless you mean the variety Dr. Carolyn,which is ivory incolor but can turn to a deeper shade to pale yellow depending on wher fe's it's grown and the degree of Foliage cover.
I'll add the following to the two links Ami posted above, both of which are excellent, and it's a list of cherries at Tania's site. She sells over 400 varieties herself for a very reasonable price. I can go thru it sometime, but not now and share with you which onesI like, but one that always has stood out for me is Galina's yellow, PL, and that variety was the source of what Steve Draper named Dr. Carolyn, which yes,I did find. Long story.
...links available via Google, I'm just too lazy to go fetch.
When I got my 2013 Baker catalog I could not believe it's gone so commercial in termsofaddsfor this andthat, etc., and I noted several errors in the tomato section,in theblurbs, and I've tried to correct them before, with no luck at all. And yes, I know Jere personally but the feedback I give back via the online apparently doesn't get to him, or whoever is setting up the online as well as the paper catalog.
Yes, the catalog is pure tomato porn, no doubt about it, with other great pictures throughout the catalog, but I'm not after porn when I make decisions about tomato varieties. LOL
I don't buy seeds,the last pack I bought was in 1998, seeds cometo me but I admit recruit seeds of tomatoes that I know will be new to almost all folks, and started doing that in2005 when I had to start using this walker.
So someone else raises my plants for me and someone cares for them and now 4 folks do seed production for me for SSE lsitings and a large seed offer I make elsewhere.
Three of my neighbor's four children are enrolled in a Christian school principled by their grandfather. Luke (six), my official tomato tester, determines which tomatoes to grow each season. We call all white, gold, yellow tomatoes 'yellow' so the term is generic. My thoughts were to find a lunch pail heirloom tomato to rival Sungold, Luke's first choice. The kids have a portion of their garden adjacent to mine which I plan on helping them to grow a few varieties of 'yellow' tomatoes. Master Luke decides which tomatoes we will grow from the previous year. I figure at least four 'yellow' varieties will be sufficient for trial purposes. "Long Story Dr. Carolyn' is top of my list.
The two biggest concerns for sprawled cherry tomatoes here is length of season (June 15 to August 15 - typical frost free dates) and high winds which require specialized caging which I use for 14 plants. The rest are all sprawled with covering available for a brief period in the fall. Black Cherry tomatoes are the last of mine to ripen and typically the finish ripening indoors rather than in the garden.
I do have a partial packet of Gold Nugget Tomato seed purchased last year but the five plants I started from seed were lost in the first planting due to a late heavy frost, and I had no backups for these.
So hopefully with some more research I can find several varieties of heirlooms to fit our situation.
I ordered tomato seeds for the first time from Tomato Growers Supply Company and was very pleased with the service. I even ordered one called "Dr. Carolyn", the one mentioned above. The seed package says that the fruit are "ivory-white deepening to pale yellow" which raises the question, at which color do you harvest the fruit? I ordered four different packages of seeds and they sent me a free package of German Giant tomato seeds which grow tomatoes that are 2 lbs. or more each. I have my doubts whether or not it will grow that large in this part of Texas without cracking before it ripens, but I've always dreamt of growing a tomato large enough that one slice will completely cover my hamburger bun.
I tried Big Beef last year and every one either cracked or had BER. I didn't harvest a single decent tomato, so this year I'm trying Virginia Sweet and German Giant. If that doesn't work, next year I will only grow cherry and saladette sized tomatoes and slice two or three for each bun.
hrp, the color of the variety Dr. Carolyn is not entirely dependent on ripeness. They can be ripe when ivory collored , a pale yellow or even a deeper yellow. I explained above that the color is quite dependent on when and where it's grown and how much foliage cover there is. So just check for ripeness by seeing if the fruits have started to soften. Since it is a cherry tomato there will be many fruits on one stem ( truss) and you can see the color gradation from the most ripe ones nearest the main stem to the lesser maturing ones at the base of that truss.
And the same can be said of ANY of the so called white varieties, from cherryh size up to beefsteaks. The whitest and best tasting one I know of is White Queen. There also is a varietal differece in terms , so some varieties stay more ivory colored than others, even with the factors I mentioned above.
Thanks for that explanation. If I remember correctly from last year I don't remember having any bird damage on any of my yellow tomatoes which was a big plus, even when they turned bright orange (Gold Nugget). Does that mean that my Dr. Carolyn tomatoes might escape bird damage if they are ivory to pale yellow colored? If that's true, I may start growing only non-red/pink variety tomatoes in favor of only light-colored ones. It always kills me since I have to share so many of my tomatoes with the birds. Between my tomatoes, strawberries, blackberries and blueberries I seem to give up half of my harvest to the d__n birds, no matter how extreme the measures I take to prevent it. Last year at least five or six Mockingbirds (Texas' state bird) got caught in bird netting and they struggled so much to escape and damaged their wings and legs so badly that I had to put them out of their misery. Tragic, but in a weird way very satisfying that they paid the ultimate prize for enjoying the "fruits" of my labor.
Good point. For this coming year I even purchased several large plastic, round, red fishing corks to hang around my garden to try and fool and frustrate the birds. But from what I've observed by watching the Mockingbirds, they may be too smart to fall for that trick.
hrp, get a cat. PK showed up on my doorsteps as a kitten right after my worst corn harvest from black birds chewing down every ear of corn they could reach which was around 800 ears of corn. I told PK she cold stay if she helped out in the garden. Darn cat will spend the day working with me. Flipping the occasional mouse at me and defending her jungle...the corn patch. Crazy cat even eats grasshoppers. Who says you can't train a cat!
I may have to get a cat but it would have to be an outside cat. And I would first have to get my dog's permission as she might not tolerate sharing our attention with another indoor pet. She already has competition from two inside rabbits. The dog only gives a half-hearted try when she goes out in the yard and there are birds since she is twelve years old and on her last lap. I would feel guilty about having to make a cat stay outside when it's cold, rainy or snowy. We had to get rid of our last cat after she inflicted revenge in the way of scratches and bites on the back of our then three year old daughter after Rachel carried the cat around by her tale while we weren't looking. Rachel is now 18 and away at college so the cat would be semi-safe. There's also the issue of the cat believing that all of my raised beds are litter boxes.
Yah, I hear ya hrp, I'm not even sure PK's a cat. I don't care much for cats, but she latched onto me and follows me around the garden like some lost puppy. We could have been soul mates in another life I guess. She likes teasing me by jumping out of her jungle and startling me if she can and the mouse flipping is hilarious. When she gets under my feet I tell her to go catch a mouse and off she goes. She flips the mouse three feet in the air at me some time later. Wife and I get a kick out of her crazy antics so her nickname is 'crazy. cat'. and when we call her that she does her crazy act.
For what its worth, I have a bird feeder about 3 feet from my Tomatoe Hot Box, with swarms of birds around it, and i did not have any bird damage to those tomatoes, but the ones along the fence, about 30 feet away, did have some bird damage.
Someone mentioned last summer that Birds were looking for water when they peck the tomatoes, and i do have a bird bath about 30 or 40 feet from the bird feeder.
We have a lot of towhees here, too, and they spend most of their time on the ground, looking for bugs, and i had very little bug damage last year, too.
On the other hand, i have to put bird net over the purple fig trees, as the birds do eat them and some loquats.
I was looking for an OP alternative to Sungold, which did so poorly for me in the hot dry summer of 2012 so I trialed Prize of the Trials and will have that in my permanent lineup. I'm also a huge fan of Champagne Cherry, which has a very different kind of flavor, and is prolific as can be.
Nancy, have you grown any of the Sungold OP versions that were developed by Reinhard Kraft in Germany?
There's another one being developed here in the US called Sun Lucky, but I don't know where that one is at right now.
Carolyn, who notes that the goal of those working on Sungoll OP's is to retain both the fruity taste as well as the disctinct odor of the foliage, which many detect but I never have. The problem has been that the genes for scent and fuitiness seem to be seperate when selections are made and there are some who think that you can't have taste without the scent gene, and so they need to be present in the same selection.
I have tried the OP Sungold and I wasn't really looking to imitate Sungold. I wanted a great tasting orange cherry, preferrably OP. Prize of the Trials was it for me. Sungold didn't do well at all in the heat, which isn't so much of a problem for me as it was this summer. The seeds are also expensive.
Trudi at Wintersow .org About 2009 i think it was , I didnt have many seeds the ones I kept look a little wrong , Be happy to see if what I have left are worth sending to you ,if you would like to try some.
Really small seeded Tomato..
This is a comment on previous posts to this thread. I grow Sungold, Blondkopfchen, and Ildi. All three were hugely productive in 2012 when we had the hottest sumner in decades--45 days over 90 and at least 15 of those 100 or more. They were mulched with straw and watered with soaker hoses, so I don't believe high temperatures are a problem for these varieties if given the proper attention.
As for taste, Ildi has more of an acidic taste whereas the other two are on the sweet side. For a sweet cherry, I much prefer the taste of Blondkopfchen over Sungold. I just wish Blondkopfchen were a larger size! It seems that a large percentage of the Sungolds have what I can only describe as a metallic aftertaste. Perhaps that has something to do with my soil, although I have planted in different parts of the garden.