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sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 10, 2013
8:49 AM

Post #9380931

The cover of the new Burpee catalog is boasting about this super sauce. It takes up the whole cover and says "actual size ". I prefer heirloom and I am trying 13 varieties of them this year, but because I am a canner I can't help but try this. "one tomatoes will fill a jar " they say. Well my seeds are ordered. Anyone else interested in this so -called Super Sauce?

paulgrow

paulgrow
Allen Park, MI
(Zone 6a)

January 10, 2013
10:04 AM

Post #9381000

I would email them and ask if it is a GMO.

I would bet that you won't receive an answer.

CountryGardens

CountryGardens
Lewisville, MN
(Zone 4a)

January 10, 2013
10:36 AM

Post #9381030

I really don't think there is such a thing as GMO tomato.
It's either a misprint or a "I really don't know what I am talking about". The "actual" size picture on the front of the catalog measures 5" wide, 6" high. Inside they claim 5" wide, 5" high. If you are going to brag, get the facts right.

Probably be another disappointment. I planted Big Zac one year. Supposed to get 4 lbs or some unreal size. Never even got close!
I would go with a good paste tomato, maybe San Marzano.

Just paging through their tomatoes, they list Tomatoberry as "New". I've been planting it for years. A very good cherry tomato for anyone interested. Won't crack!
I never weighed one, but a " diameter tomato probably won't weigh 2 ounces like they claim.
I get my seeds from Johnny's.
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 10, 2013
11:33 AM

Post #9381072

I think there are GMO maters. I think I read an article about them splicing with Flounder genes
Yes, that's right, flounder the fish. I'm just curious about this tomato but I can't find any info. If anyone is interested I could mail a few seeds.
Besides Burpee, I ordered from seed savers and Park this year. Lemondrop, Gold medal, Opalka, Italian heirloom, Cherokee Purple... Just to name a few. I want to try and save seeds. Maybe I can even get my neighbors to try some.
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 10, 2013
11:45 AM

Post #9381080

BTW. I don't generally try varieties like this. OP all the way. But I couldn't help it. It was a bit of an impulse buy, and since you mentioned GM I'm thinking twice about even planting them.

CountryGardens

CountryGardens
Lewisville, MN
(Zone 4a)

January 10, 2013
1:23 PM

Post #9381169

"I think there are GMO maters. I think I read an article about them splicing with Flounder genes"


How can you claim there are GMO tomatoes with that statement.

No wonder the world is tipped sideways with all this non verified garbage.


PS. Who would want a "fishy" tomato.
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 10, 2013
2:06 PM

Post #9381200

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_tomato

happy now? rude!

"I don't think there is such a thing as GMO tomatoes"

no wonder the worlds thinking is sideways


This message was edited Jan 10, 2013 4:09 PM

CountryGardens

CountryGardens
Lewisville, MN
(Zone 4a)

January 10, 2013
3:36 PM

Post #9381302

More internet craziness.

Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

That's the first line when you bring it up on Google.

Lots of credibility there.

I think someone was having some fun.

Try this for the real scoop on GMO tomato.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_tomato
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 10, 2013
4:04 PM

Post #9381356

that's still wikipedia

http://gmo-awareness.com/all-about-gmos/gmo-defined/

FISH GENES
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 10, 2013
4:17 PM

Post #9381371

well this thread did not go as I hoped. Guess I'll just stick my super sauce seeds in the freezers until I figure out what it really is. I'm tired of arguing over wether there are GMO tomatoes and spreading my "nonverified garbage" as you put it. Wikipedia is unreliable, of I post it, but clearly "the real scoop" if you post it. GEESH!!!
jomoncon
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 9a)

January 11, 2013
7:07 AM

Post #9381880

sweetie77 wrote:well this thread did not go as I hoped. Guess I'll just stick my super sauce seeds in the freezers until I figure out what it really is. I'm tired of arguing over wether there are GMO tomatoes and spreading my "nonverified garbage" as you put it. Wikipedia is unreliable, of I post it, but clearly "the real scoop" if you post it. GEESH!!!


I also saw these seeds and was wondering about them. Like you, I thought they'd be good for canning. Since you already have them, why not give a few a try & let us know.

Sorry about all the other stuff being tossed around.
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 11, 2013
7:19 AM

Post #9381890

On the contrary, sweetie77! I saw that Brupee's Super Sauce tomato and thought the same thing. I'm only just learning to can--I was always into horses and livestock in 4-H and my girly cousins were into canning. But Burpee's claim sounded like a cool thing to try and prove or disprove. I grow a mix of OP's and hybrids. This year was going to be my year for trying out endive and another project that is on the tip of my tongue but just won't come to me right now. Sigh! Anyway, I'm sorely tempted to try that Super Sauce tomato just to see. Even though have have sworn I will not buy any new tomato seed this year in an effort to use up my left-over seed from the past few years.

I say: You go girl! =)
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 11, 2013
9:25 AM

Post #9382002

greetings Jo Ann and Terri. Would also like to try them? If so I could mail you some. It comes 25 seeds a pack and if I try them I'm only going to plant 3 or 4 and mayne a few seeds in the freezers for another year. I am gonna have a whole tomato tasting garden this year. I have 14 varieties coming Lol. I would love to share and we can discuss our results here. Just let me know your thoughts and I'll post my email so you can email me your address. I'll post all varieties later, it's hard to type on this kindle ie typos
jomoncon
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 9a)

January 11, 2013
10:22 AM

Post #9382054

sweetie77 wrote:greetings Jo Ann and Terri. Would also like to try them? If so I could mail you some. It comes 25 seeds a pack and if I try them I'm only going to plant 3 or 4 and mayne a few seeds in the freezers for another year. I am gonna have a whole tomato tasting garden this year. I have 14 varieties coming Lol. I would love to share and we can discuss our results here. Just let me know your thoughts and I'll post my email so you can email me your address. I'll post all varieties later, it's hard to type on this kindle ie typos


I'd love to have a few seeds. I'll send you a d-mail.
Jo-Ann
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

January 11, 2013
10:47 AM

Post #9382060

Yes, there are or were GMO tomatoes. At one time they did gene splicing with flounder to get a plant that would set in cool temps. I believe it has been discontinued.

BUT, and I'm repeating myself, GMOs ARE NOT available to the home gardener. There is a lot of paperwork involved and the seeds are very expensive. The only issue is the very small possibility of x pollination. I almost order those seeds just to see if I could get that big a tomato!
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

January 12, 2013
9:24 AM

Post #9382750

1lisac... thanks for the info. Good to know :)

HoneybeeNC

HoneybeeNC
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 7b)

January 13, 2013
12:51 PM

Post #9383795

I'm not against genetic engineering as much as I'm against the pesticides and herbicides that the are bred into the seeds to resist weeds/caterpillars.

I want genetically engineered food to be labeled so I can make an informed choice.

From what I have read, there WAS a modified tomato that had artic fish genes spliced into it, but public concern caused the idea to fail.
jerrywayne1
Carthage, NC

March 8, 2013
6:02 AM

Post #9442651

Hello fellow gardeners, I am extremely excited about my "super sauce tomatoe seeds" this year, i purchased 5 packs from Burpee 5 weeks ago and almost every seed has came up! They are already about 4 inches tall and doing great, it has been cold here longer than usual so they are still in the house everywhere! lol they have a great purplish colored leaf to them also! I started them in the usual seed starting trays, and i have already moved all oof them to large styrofoam cups! VERY EXCITED to watch them grow! and needless to say im already gathering jars! and getting my miracle whip stocked up for my "Mater samiches" lol have agreat day! JERRY

HoneybeeNC

HoneybeeNC
Charlotte, NC
(Zone 7b)

March 8, 2013
10:58 AM

Post #9442908

Jerry - keep us updated on your progress.
angelsinmygarde
Kelowna, BC
(Zone 7a)

April 12, 2013
6:53 PM

Post #9481957

Hello, I am Michelle~~~I hope I am posting in the right place. I am New here. very new. I have started a Super Italian Paste Tomatoe that is Burpee...It is growing "under the lights" in my basement. It only has its first new leaves. that are Not nurse leaves. Has anyone tried this previously. For me it is slow to grow. I have grown them in peat pots and I wonder if I let them dry out or/ they are Just slow to grow Can anyone answer from experience~~~?
angelsinmygarde
Kelowna, BC
(Zone 7a)

April 12, 2013
6:57 PM

Post #9481959

I posted here because I too saw that..."super sauce tomatoe" and later wished; I had tried it; But I am new and certainly will watch and read your responses. It sure looks delicious>!

w_r_ranch

w_r_ranch
Colorado County, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 14, 2013
7:27 AM

Post #9483400

I will try them. Having said that, my 'mainstay' sauce tomato remains to be 'Health Kick', which has 50% more of the beneficial antioxidant lycopen. It is prolific in our garden... we routinely harvest between 3300-3600 pounds of them per year (2-3 meat tubs per day) from 60 plants.
behillman
Plantersville, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 15, 2013
11:10 AM

Post #9484989

Wow, W r Ranch. I suppose you have great success because you have plenty of horse manure for your tomato plants. I only have cats & dogs, & I don't think I can use that. And raisin rabbits is out of the question. I have tried raising night crawlers, & they died.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 15, 2013
10:18 PM

Post #9485591

You have to be careful when using manure bc of the herbicides that are used on the feed that the animals eat. If the manure is contaminated it can make your soil useless for years. Also you don't want too much Nitrogen. It will give you beautiful foliage but not much fruit.

I have never had luck even getting Heath Kick past the germination stage. Reading this makes me want to try again. Lol
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2013
7:05 AM

Post #9485837

my 1st try of the supersauce germinated only 1 of 6. second try was better 4 of 6. But compared to all my heirloom varieties they look small, weak, and sickly.

w_r_ranch

w_r_ranch
Colorado County, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 16, 2013
8:23 AM

Post #9485909

behillman wrote:Wow, W r Ranch. I suppose you have great success because you have plenty of horse manure for your tomato plants.


I have never used either horse or cattle manure in our gardens, as there are far to many seeds in it & I don't like weeding anymore than I already do. Our soil is just a sandy loam that has been amended with mulch for many years.
behillman
Plantersville, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 16, 2013
7:44 PM

Post #9486647

Thank you w_r_Ranch for informing me that I do not have to have that manure. I hate the stuff & I thought my garden was doomed because I didn't have animals. I do put mulch on my garden so I feel like I'm on the right path to having a fruitful garden some day.
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 17, 2013
6:34 AM

Post #9487017

I haven't seen Health Kick seeds listed in my usual "seed haunts". Haven't seen it mentioned before either--or maybe I just missed it. w_r_ranch, what is your seed source?

w_r_ranch

w_r_ranch
Colorado County, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 17, 2013
7:53 AM

Post #9487130

terri_emory wrote:I haven't seen Health Kick seeds listed in my usual "seed haunts". Haven't seen it mentioned before either--or maybe I just missed it. w_r_ranch, what is your seed source?


Terri, I usually order our seeds from Reimer Seeds.

http://www.reimerseeds.com/health-kick-tomato.aspx


Burpee also carries them...

http://www.burpee.com/vegetables/tomatoes/saladette/tomato-health-kick-hybrid-prod000992.html


This message was edited Apr 17, 2013 10:09 AM

w_r_ranch

w_r_ranch
Colorado County, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 17, 2013
10:30 AM

Post #9487305

Here's a picture of a typical day's tomato harvest...

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terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 17, 2013
11:59 AM

Post #9487402

Wow and thanks.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 17, 2013
8:20 PM

Post #9488010

Totally tomatoes carries it too.
eweed
Everson, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 17, 2013
9:04 PM

Post #9488051

Well call me stupid but I bought the super sauce seeds. I grow tomatoes to Not as many as Bernie but 140 or so. I didn't know it way a gmo. I am a fisherman so if they taste fishy maybe I won't have to put anchovies on my pizza.

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1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 18, 2013
11:50 AM

Post #9488668

What makes you think it is GMO?

w_r_ranch

w_r_ranch
Colorado County, TX
(Zone 8b)

April 18, 2013
4:30 PM

Post #9488926

I believe that Burpee lists them as a hybrid, thus they are not genetically modified...

As most of us know, hybrids and genetically modified vegetables are not the same; the difference lies in the DNA. Hybridization happens regularly in nature when closely related species cross-pollinate. Genetic modification only happens in the laboratory because it combines DNA from organisms (plants or animals) outside of a vegetable's species.

I highly doubt that a company would risk a multimillion dollar lawsuit for 'mislabeling' in our current litigious society...


1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 18, 2013
6:56 PM

Post #9489093

They are hybrids I'm still wondering where it was ever stated that these are GMOs? I really don't want to have a discussion again about GMOs and the fact that they are not available to the home gardener, but I'm wondering where that idea even came from?
eweed
Everson, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 18, 2013
9:22 PM

Post #9489205

1lisac there was a lot of suspicious talk of gmo plants at the first of this thread.

I didn't have a problem with germination I think I got 28 out of 30 I shot all my seeds because sweetie77 reported only 1 of 6 came up. By the time my seeds came it was to late to try twice so I planted all 30 seeds expecting a dismal showing what a waste. Oh well I give away a couple hundred plants yearly, may as well add a few more right?.
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 19, 2013
6:31 AM

Post #9489400

I have poor germination with Super Sauce as well. I really do think it was a bad lot. I'll try again in fall...I think I'll try those Health Kicks, too.
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

April 19, 2013
2:28 PM

Post #9489864

yes Terri, I traded with you and Jo Ann and we all had problems. Burpee never got back to after I emailed 3 times about the seeds!
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

April 19, 2013
2:33 PM

Post #9489872

eweed, I just reported back 2 days ago. You said you got 28 of 30 germinated after I posted that. Wow! that was fast germination. Maybe there's something wrong with your seeds as well... :)
eweed
Everson, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 19, 2013
4:56 PM

Post #9490032

Sweety77 the seedlings look fine. I start my seeds in a heated light stand. The heat mats are usually set at 80 and the thermometer says the soil is actually 76.I leave the four florescent lights on 24 hours a day. I also cover the seed trays with clear kitchen wrap until about 20%have emerged then I take off the wrap.

I got my seeds one day and planted the next day. Is there any way your seeds were compromised? Or should I say could have been? I know these things are hard to figure out.
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

April 21, 2013
8:43 AM

Post #9491814

it HAD to be the seeds because started a bunch of different varieties that same day, the same conditions and they did fine. I think I got some bad seeds. Oh well, if I can get just a couple of them to go and be healthy, then I will be satisfied.
eweed
Everson, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 21, 2013
9:51 AM

Post #9491899

Wish I had not planted all my seed now I cant even send you a couple starts because they are in 4 inch pots now and I think it would not be cost effective to mail them now.Some one said they bought five packages of seed will read this and step up to the plate and offer you a few seeds.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 21, 2013
8:58 PM

Post #9492629

Sometimes the seeds don't go thru the mail correctly. There was a discussion about this on the tomato forum. The seeds were saved and sent by a DGer to another DGer. None of them germinated but they germinate for others. They resent seeds, which did fine. I can't remember what the possible reasons were but it does happen. Good luck!
behillman
Plantersville, TX
(Zone 9a)

April 22, 2013
9:42 AM

Post #9493133

Maybe the post office erradiates the mail, before it is delivered.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 22, 2013
9:53 AM

Post #9493149

I just know some make it, and some don't. Even sitting in extreme temps. during transit can mess them up.
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 25, 2013
9:46 AM

Post #9496754

Don't worry, sweetie, I know it was not our fault. It was fun trying, though, and I probably will try again for the fall season. Sometimes a lot will just have a bunch of clunkers in there. Starting tomatoes is usually very easy for me...=_)
Rexmannb
Middleburg, PA

May 7, 2013
8:04 PM

Post #9512591

To Paulgrow and everyone else interested. I did email Burpee about GMO and I was assured that Burpee has never and has no plans on ever GMO anything. I am going to grow the seeds that I was able to get to planting stage in organic hydroponic garden. If this does not yield the fruit they advertised, I will know that it was not from poor nourishment. Here's to hoping!
Mainah
New Gloucester, ME

May 25, 2013
9:14 AM

Post #9533461

Hi everyone, I am new to this forum and after reading this post I was compelled to register so I could post. I am starting seed for friends who don't have a greenhouse. One of my friends bought the super sauce (along with a bunch of others) for me to start for him. The first batch of 12 did not germinate after 14 days. The second batch of 12 came up in three days. The ONLY difference was less heat on the second try. The first batch was on a heat pad as usual with a plastic dome over it to hold in heat which has worked well with other varieties. The second batch was on the heat pad with just saran wrap on top for moisture retention. Interestingly, I dumped the soil with the super sauce seeds in a bin I save leftover soil for planters in and 5 days later tomato seedlings sprouted. It was as if once they cooled down they germinated. Also as another forum member stated, they were spindly at first, but after a couple weeks they are doing well. Side note: The Viva Italia started at the same time are much larger.
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 31, 2013
9:38 AM

Post #9540814

Mainah, well welcome to Dave's! I don't usually use bottom heat unless my laundry room gets really cold. I do have a heat mat, but it is usually in use to start the pepper and eggplants. Don't know why I had poor germination the first time around, but am trying again for the fall garden. (We get two tomato seasons here in Texas--if we're lucky). For this go around I just start the seeds in the domed seed flat thing out on the screened in back porch. The sun heats up the concrete floor enough for anything to germinate.

Have fun this gardening season!

Terri
deepwoods
Louisville, KY

June 24, 2013
11:09 AM

Post #9571295

I ordered super sauce tomatoes from Burpee and had about 90% germination. I started them with lights and heat mats. They grew pretty good but were a lot skinnier than the better boys and os pink that I planted. Also the limbs tended to grow downward instead up or horizontal. They were about 12 to 18 inches tall when I planted them in the garden. I planted all of my other tomatoes at the same time. Shortly after I planted them the leaves started to curl and the leaves never got very big. Again the limbs stared to grow downward into the dirt. I treated them with fungicides and insect control products just like all the other plants. They have a few decent size tomatoes on them but the plants look almost dead. I get new growth at the top but they still curl up. They look like the healthy kick tomatoes but a little bigger. I probably won't have enough to mess with canning them even though I planted 18 plants. I probably won't plant them again unless I really hear some good stuff from sources other than seed companies. I have softball size os pink and better boys larger than a baseball.
eweed
Everson, WA
(Zone 8a)

June 24, 2013
11:48 AM

Post #9571334

I started the whole package of seeds. The germ was fine but the plants grew skinney I tossed them and planted my usual La Romas for sauce and canning. Down with Burpee throw them to the lions lol.
jomoncon
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 9a)

June 25, 2013
7:28 AM

Post #9572408

I planted a few Super Sauce seeds that a member wonderfully sent me. I had really poor germination, and the ones that did come up were so very scraggly & skinny I just tossed them out as I usually do - toss the pot into a garden bed. Well, 3 of the stragglers started growing in the bed. And 1 even has a few tomatoes. They're still pretty skinny, but that could be that I haven't really taken care of them.

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sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

August 3, 2013
10:05 AM

Post #9620270

I think we got some bad seeds Jo and Terri. I have never had such a problem starting tomatoes. Many people have had success, and I may have given up on them to quickly! I just received a message from someone who has had GREAT success with them! We'll try again next year! :)
jomoncon
New Orleans, LA
(Zone 9a)

August 5, 2013
7:48 AM

Post #9621987

jomoncon wrote:I planted a few Super Sauce seeds that a member wonderfully sent me. I had really poor germination, and the ones that did come up were so very scraggly & skinny I just tossed them out as I usually do - toss the pot into a garden bed. Well, 3 of the stragglers started growing in the bed. And 1 even has a few tomatoes. They're still pretty skinny, but that could be that I haven't really taken care of them.


Well the tomatoes from my "tossed out" plants finally matured & they were no bigger than a regular roma tomato. Instead, they were definitely smaller than the sauce tomatoes I usually grow. Did anyone get really big tomatoes from this?
Jo-Ann
sweetie77
Kankakee, IL
(Zone 5b)

August 5, 2013
2:37 PM

Post #9622354

Yes. I got a D-mail from a guy in LA. that said he was getting tons of 4inch by 6 inch fruit!
JoParrott
Richland, WA
(Zone 7b)

February 6, 2014
8:39 AM

Post #9763612

If anyone has any Super Sauce Tomato seeds they could share I am trying to find a few--I will gladly send Paypal money or SASE--

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