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PLANT PROPAGATION.....THE BASICS III

Greensboro, NC(Zone 7b)

Here's a new thread for 2013!

We are an odd mix of DG members turned friends, chatting about the basics of propagation - sowing, planting, cuttings, greenhouses, hothouses, outhouses. Oh. Well not necessarily that last one, but you can never tell with this bunch.

DG member and friend Pughbear7 started this thread, and we continue it in his absence. We trust he is in good health and hope to hear from him soon.

Until then please join us!

We came from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1252096/#top

Visitors welcome and all questions are answered to the best of our ability.

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Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Gotcha Amanda. Thanks, think most of us had forgotten about this thread. It really is a good one. Especially this time of year and coming soon. SPRING!!

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

I have some varigated butterfly bush cuttings from fall looking like maybe. not much else here besides my seedlings under lights.
I think I know how with lavender , willows , and the butterfly bush , easy ,,i know

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

So what are you doing with the cuttings? Just put them in soil? In water, or?? What are the seedlings? What are they variegated? The leaves you mean?

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

Sure the butterfly bush is green and white , looks like monrell in the plant files.. Soil bags , outside , looks like some are gonna grow..
The seedlings are Guara ,daylily, centurea, flax, tomatoes, nemesia there will be others and they are under lights

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Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Those look like they were started from seeds. Do you have some of the BF bush from seeds? Do you think they will come true to the plant? jen

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

No seeds of BF and,,, not as to growing true from seed , I in 1500?
From before cuttings in soil as to BF
Willows in water (like they are often used for)

Greensboro, NC(Zone 7b)

You're pretty well along then! I'm thinking about purchasing plants this year instead of seed. I have grown everything from seed, and I just know with my schedule this season I will be a bad plant momma.

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 9a)

Well my landscape is fried from our 4 days in the low 20s. Freak weather for Las Vegas. Phoenix had the same problem.

I have three Philippine violets living in the garage I started from seed late in the summer. Also three orchid trees also started from seed. They are enclosed in my little green houses inside the garage and so far so good.

I have sown many seeds freely over the landscape. It will be interesting what will raise it's little head in the spring.

Thank you Amanda for refreshing this thread. Hope you are feeling better. Sharon

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

My sister is in AZ and they are working on a house I think I told you she bought at auction. Sight unseen. A lot of work she is having done and they are doing a lot of it.

Why I brought that up is that she has not mentioned, and I am sure she would, that any of the plants froze. However, I think most of hers are cactus. They are about an hour from Phoenix. Probably south and that is why they haven't had any freeze maybe.

ttyl, jen

Winnetka, CA

Thanks Amanda for starting a new thread!

Jeanette,

My lilac is still alive and kicking - I'm hoping this year it puts on more growth. With our HOT HOT summers... I want to get this lilac well on it's way before I plant out.

Sharon... did you lose all your coleus to the freeze? Mine are all gone... it was sad... -:(

Nancy

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Nancy, you mean you haven't put that plant in the ground yet??? What are you doing with it? I really think it would do better planted.

Winnetka, CA

No... it's still potted up and under some shade cloth. We get 110 degree days in the summertime with no shade relief and it would surely die. (I've done that too many times to take the chance again) I need to get it much larger in the pot and then plant it in the fall with lots and lots of mulch... so it does fry... that would be sad... -:)

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

WEll, I guess you know your area better than I do. Much different all right.

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 9a)

Coleus, geraniums, lobelia, succulents, and even oxalis. My lettuce and peas looked pretty bad but they look better today. I am not going to replant until end of February. They think we could still have another freeze.

I am getting my coleus order together from Rosey Dawn. I always order for delivery mid April. We never get the selection her and when we do it is to late in the season.

I just hope this freeze killed whatever has been eating my dichondra. I also lost 4 KOI.

Sierra Foothills, CA(Zone 8a)

Sharon ~ I am surprised that the freeze did not kill your dichondra. How hardy is it? I have a small strip of it bordering the flower bed on the north side of the house. I have leaves covering it right now, since I discovered that it was still alive especially since we had so many days of hard frost.

What kind of "greenhouses" do you have in your garage? Do they have light in them? Will you show us some pictures? and thank you for sharing your interest in rosey Dawn for coleus...I will check them out. Do you save any of them over the winter from year to year?

Las Vegas, NV(Zone 9a)

I tried two different winters to hold over coleus. All I did was make the gnats very happy.

The dichondra dies back but comes right back as soon as it gets warm. The freeze wacked the silver dichondra and Jacobs ladder. But I am sure they will come back also. Four days of freezing temperatures sure did a lot of damage.

The greenhouses I have in the garage are small. I have two that have 3 shelves and 4 that sit on the floor of the garage. I will try to remember and take photos tomorrow.

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Sharon, I found that by taking cuttings from the coleus and starting new plants and getting them bigger over the winter they made much better plants than holding over the mother plant.

I have a couple of those greenhouses too but no place to put them. I had them in the kitchen the year I bought them, but just don't have room in there again. I used them to start seeds.

Miles City, MT(Zone 3b)

Ah ha thought you would hide from me. Didn't work did it.

I may be starting some seeds next month. Don't quite know what will come yet. Other than Castor beans. I always have lots of them for neighbors and friends. Huggs, Lee

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Lee, what do you do with your Caster Bean plants to get them to bloom and have bean pods? Only once in several years I got one big enough to bloom but even it didn't have the bean pods.

I can't believe my season is any shorter than yours. If you start them in the house, how big are then when you put them outside? Are they in bigger pots? jen

Sierra Foothills, CA(Zone 8a)

Yeah, I am curious as well. Mine only got 8" tall. Still, it did have one seedpod. I did not do anything with that spiny thing though. How do you open it without getting stuck? Or do you just put them in a bag and eventually they open??

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Hopefully Lee will come on here and tell us. Evelyn, one of the other DGers in Iowa sent me pictures of his and he is over 6 feet tall and these things were like a jungle next to him. Maybe a foot or more taller. and the trunks on them were, I would say about 4 inches thru. Gorgeous. Looked like a tropical jungle. Hard to believe they are one season there too. But, they have it colder than we do and as much or more snow.

But, you know that soil in that area is so fertile. It is amazing.

Miles City, MT(Zone 3b)

I don't know what I do differently, but here is what I do

Start in house under lights and on a heat mat about middle of March

Harden off by putting them in an unheated greenhouse daily, back to house nitley for a week or so.

They tend to get leggy so when I plant them, usually towards end of April or so, I bury them about halfway up the stock, similiar to tomato plants,.

I don't fertilize them, just put them in the yuchy clay I have in the beds and they grow like weeds.

They do like to be ignored I guess, because I don't even water them all that often unless they are in pots (then lots of water)

Mine usually get to be at least 6 ft tall, with more blooms/seeds than I think anyone needs. I also have had the leaves grow to about 3 ft accross. Kinda tropical looking, I think anyway.

The seed pods will sometime open on their own, but I have also used a nut cracker (carefully) to retrive them.

If anyone needs seeds, let me know, I have lots, Hope this helps. Huggs, Lee


ps Don't know which ones I have green or maroon they are mixed up thanks to my dropping the darn container, Clutzy me

Miles City, MT(Zone 3b)

Sorry Jen--cross posted, Lee

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

Like everything else here , mine are big chewed on green leaves , exciting ,,huh?
But the flowers bloom tee hee .....

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Well, ok, I am going to try them again. They are suppose to keep the moles away. I told you I got that Mole Out, or something like that from Gardens Alive that year. I broadcast it. It was like rabbit pellets if I remember right. Anyway I did that in my perennial bed, and overnight those critters were gone. The thing is, they were on the other side of the house, it looked like a minefield. LOL Should have had enough to put it every place I didn't want them. Anyway, I was saying that on one of the threads on here and someone said why don't I grow my own. So, that is how I got started. But the people on here like Lee and Russ in Iowa have kept me in beans. jen

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

I ONCE SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT ; and some one said why don't I grow own huckleberries , So I started some for this year ...

Blue Ridge Mtns, VA(Zone 7a)

Hey everyone.

Manda, I'm going to pull up a chair. I have way too many seeds and haven't started a single one. Do I know what all is in my seed bin? Fat chance, although it used to be organized. Now it looks like a giant puppy romped through it.

Miles City, MT(Zone 3b)

Join the crowd, we are all in the same situtation, Lee

Blue Ridge Mtns, VA(Zone 7a)

Straightening it out is on my to-do list, Lee. Must do so sooner than later. Most of what I'm planning to grow this year from seeds are annuals, herbs, and veggies. I was at a friend's house last week and she had a couple of neat stands of volunteer Petunias, apparently they had self-sowed in an area just below where her pots of Petunias had been last year. That's an annual I've never tried to grow from seeds and thought wow, they must be a lot easier than I thought and have read.


Miles City, MT(Zone 3b)

I have had ups and downs with petunia's, but as the rest of the group can tell you, mostly ups. One thing I will say, the sewn seed plants are nicer and hardier than the ones I have bought. One year I planted in Feb in the house under lights on a heat mat, and they were blooming before anyone else's. Don't be afraid of them, try them. Huggs, Lee

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Lee is right. Petunias are very easy. The one thing I do that maybe nobody, or few people, do is pinch them when they are quite small so they fill out good. Actually, I don't pinch them. I use tweezers and take out the 2 leaves in the middle of each stem. That way they fill out right from the get go.

I cleaned my seeds out just this week. A lady in Canada who just retired is going to try to start a small business by selling seedlings from her greenhouse in her back yard. So, I sent her all of my extra seeds, Only ones I didn't send were my petunias. I will use those to fill the containers on my decks. They are good fillers and a lot of color. Easy to take care of.

Miles City, MT(Zone 3b)

.Jen, does she need any more? I have lots leftover from what you guys sent me last year. If she does, ask her to dmail me and I will get busy. Lee

Wrightstown, NJ(Zone 7a)

Well, I have been lurking long enough. I thought maybe I could learn how to start seeds and when Mandy decided to revive this thread I had to come along. I am going to sit back and listen since you all do plants I do not do or even know what half of them are. I would love to have a big garden but at my age, who would weed it? I was thinking of putting some of these plants you talk about in containers on the patio to attract butterflies and hummers.
Any thoughts about how they would do and which ones would grow in containers?

I do want to offer all of you all some cuttings, if you want them, in a few weeks we will be cutting back the black pussy willows. If you want any cuttings unrooted, I will send them to you. Just ask and send your mailing address. If you want them rooted, you will have to wait a few months until I plant them and they are growing. I do not think the roots will hold up without soil in shipping since they are so young and tender. They need constant water as they mature and if they dry out in shipping they will not live for you.

Back to lurking. JB

Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

I tried that JB. As much as I would love to have some Black Pussy Willows I couldn't get them to root and you can't send me any with soil, so I'll have to pass.

As far as the plants growing in containers, probably the best ones would be petunias. They are so colorful. Have you ever grown any from seed? Could you start some in your greenhouse? Do you have a spot where you could put some? I have not ever given Petunia seeds to anyone, but if you want to try some I would send you some. They are very tiny and I plant them one seed at a time, one in each pot. But, that is just my way. Doesn't mean you have to. I really hate thinning plants because the seeds cost so much so that is why I am so careful planting one seed at a time.

Let me know if you want some Petunia seeds. I probably have some pelleted ones I might send you some of those. They are a little bit easier. I don't have many other flower seeds and don't think I am going to buy many this year. I really am trying to cut back. My plants were just too much work. I have enough planters that reach the entire railing of my livingroom deck. It is about 15 feet by 30 feet and I plant the entire railing. This year I would imagine I will put only Petunias in them.

Other than that, I have Ornamental Grass Seed. Some, don't know what all I have. I am going to plant a couple pots of those, and I am sure it will grow from there. LOL, I always have the best intentions, and end up with so many. I am going to plant some Caster Bean seeds, both Lee and I have those beans to plant. Those are all poisonous, so you wouldn't want Charle to be around them.

Was just telling Bob I need to go down to the pantry and see how my plants in there are doing. I forgot all about them. They are suppose to be dormant. ttyl, jen

Let me know. Jen

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

Warm thoughts to you all.

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Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

You think they would look better right side up ..oops!

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Northeast, WA(Zone 5a)

Whatcha got there Ju?

Anderson, IN(Zone 6a)

Basket flower, Guara , wallflower, mums, tomatoes,flax, The huckleberries are off to the side of the pic.

Wrightstown, NJ(Zone 7a)

Oh Jen, I guess I could do that. I do not see all that well and tiny seeds could be a problem but I could buy some. Do not send any. If I decide to try some pots I will buy a pack and that will save us both money. Jen, did I send you some black PW already rooted with some soil or just cuttings?

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