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I grew Dasher last year and had absolutely the best cucumber crop that I've ever had. That also could have been attributed to the field being newly turned sod but I guess we'll find out this coming year because I plan to put them in the same field, just on the other side. I also planted National Pickler and they were great for pickles. People at the markets also liked the pickling cucumbers due to their smaller seed size.
Small growing area so I've tried Little Leaf, Spacemaster and Alibi.
Alibi was my number one favorite, second Spacemaster and last was Little Leaf.
I did not pickle, these were grown for feasting on while fresh.
Most any of the burpless but specially the Burpee Burpless DW is a cucumber fanatic/gourmet and that is her favorite we have had really good crops the last 5 years so she said last year that she was finally getting burned out on them she can eat a half dozen of the large per day
i grew diva last yr.. its an all female plant..it did well..
even with the intense heat..and constant watering i needed
to do.. this yr i want to try sweet sucess..?? anyone try this one??
its suppose to be close to seedless.. slender..and thin skin..
I have grown nearly all of the mentioned ones- I liked Diva, Sweet Success, Muncher & General Lee. I find many of the burpless ones are watery, which I don't like at all. Summer Dance did great for me- it was long, slender thin skinned and spineless. Good crunch too.
Try Fanfare. It is a semi-bush so it don't take up much space. Really good cucumber. We have used it for years at our market & outsell all other offerings from other vendors.
When customers find something they like, they return all the time.
For pickles we use Alibi. Very good production, must be picked every other day!
Another vote for Diva; here's the description:
58 days. Another All America winner (2002) from our good neighbors to the North Johnnys Selected Seeds, Diva is a nearly seedless parthenocarpic variety. It produces exclusively female flowers which do not require pollination to set fruit. The result is a very prolific set of nearly seedless fruit at every node and a very sweet, never bitter flavor. Diva is considered a Beit Alpha type, the smooth skinned class of fruits that originated in the Middle East. Fruits are very crisp with an attractive medium green color. Diva is resistant to scab and mildews.
and I also really like this one:
56 days. This is a premium European open-pollinated slicing cucumber. Beautiful, long, firm & bitter-free fruits. This variety picks over an unusually long period. A cucumber for both greenhouse and open air cultivation in your garden. This delicious cucumber can be harvested all summer long.
All of my cukes are grown off the ground on a trellis ,I started this because I grew some Armenians and they would curl badly if not grown where they could hang..The other reason is I do not like picking cukes any place a snake is likely to hide...I grew up in the swamp country and we would find many Copperheads cooling off hiding under the cucumber vines..Not FUN
After reading the post from Greenhouse and others I will surely give DIVA a shot..seems to me Johnny's is on top of things for new varities ,I tried the Zephyr squash from them a good while back and now would not think of not having the Zephyr in my garden we love it ..
Christi we have not had many snakes the last few years and I surveyed my garden class about and they all agreed that the snakes are becoming fewer ,i kinda think it may have been you that suggested it had some relationship with the wild hogs Hey I am all for more hogs less snakes
I forgot to send this earlier (due to an interruption) which notated a couple of other Fanfare sites. Glad you found the seeds. I used to grow Fanfare but switched to Sweet Success and then when I ran out of those tried Diva last summer which I really liked!
It needs a pollinator simply means the flowers need to be pollinated by bees rather than self pollinating. It is not all female like Diva. So you must plant it outside. Diva can be grown in a greenhouse and does not require bees or other insects to pollinate the flowers. I grew mine outside but was going to try to experiment with growing it in a special tent to keep away the cucumber beetles.
I have some leftover seeds from an ill advised exp that turned out to be all male it bloomed profusely but never ever had even one cuke ...That should make it a prime canidate as a pollinator or public office for that matter LOL
I like Diva too - but if you plan on making pickles, you might want a pickling-type cucumber. They are only okay as fresh sliced cucumbers, but have a better texture after pickling. For both Picklers and Slicers, I look for Powdery Mildew resistance, because it is a problem here (& every where else I have gardened, too). Also FYI, cucumbers are something you want to pick young & green, before the seeds develop.
I have grown the Lemon variety for about 40 yrs off and on the last couple it has become badly infected with an Aphid like insect so I think that if I plant the Lemon this year it will be someplace away from the rest of the garden which will be easy as I am shrinking my veggy garden ...
No that is not a leaf that is the vine it is a mutant due to a ressesive gene it is called fleciating meaning flattened I discovered this and spent about a month talking with genetisist from the Oklahoma State U. all the way to Minn. a lady from the exp. station at Lane Oklahoma Dr. Angela Davis Phd. was most helpfull we taked several times via phone and e mail
wow,copperheads in the garden.. i have garter snakes..they make their
dens in rock gardens.. and im happy to have them... im sure they eat bugs
i dont want around..they do scare me when im pulling weeds..and i dont expect
would be a whole different situation if i ran into rattlesnake.. :(
u all be careful..
go in to snap a cuc off vine..and get bitten.. wow..
Many years ago I decided to let the snake alone in my garden and I did so until I found a garter snake swallowing a toad ,after that I started watching and found that many snakes would eat toads ,by the time the light bulb went on in my thick head I was out of toads but I did have a lot of unwanted snakes so at that point I decided that I peferred toads over snakes
When we were building our house, one of they guys working found a 6 foot rattlesnake with 12 rattles and a button! He had been around a while. It still scares me that one of the dogs will find another one of those around here, but we have been here 2 years, and all I have seen are black snakes. But I wouldn't want them eating my frogs or toads either.
LOL! I guess so...when you find them both together! ;) lol
Up in Michigan, I haven't had any problems with snakes in my garden; thank goodness!! Of course, my garden is "paved" with an Earth Mat-like product so there is not undergrowth to hide in.
I think I had a relative that lived in the South say that some poisonous snakes have a distinctive smell - I don't remember which type of snake (cotton-mouth or water moccasin), but I think the smell might have been "like cucumbers"
RE flattened vine - Saw a Gerbera daisy like that at the nursery, and my daughter (grade school age) insisted on buying it. Once the weird flower and stem were spent and dead-headed off, the next ones grew in normal. My daughter was disappointed, I was relieved.
Snakes and cukes are related.. but it depends on which state you are in. In the south you cant have gardens without snakes- Mn doesn't have that problem with cukes that grow snakes... The gene isn't as predominant in the colder north...
Ewwww, you guys. Last year was a year horrible for the copperheads here in my garden. Brrrrr, I don't mind snakes if I know where they are and they stay away from where I am. So that doen't really work out well for me, and all this talk of finding snakes in the cucumbers is giving me the willies LOL.
That being said, last year we tried Boothby's Blonde and DH thought is was good and he liked the name. Does have spines, though. I'll always try something new to me if it has alliteration in the name! I'm just starting out learning to pickle, but I found Alibi easy to grow and also Homemade Pickles. This year I'm going to try Suyo Long--but maybe not now that you've mentioned the snakes...
Another thing feral hogs adore- the snakes. Dont think you will have any prob with snakes Terri- the hogs will have gotten your problems taken care of. Enjoy your cukes growin- and by the way, snakes climb into trees to cool off, copperheads dont climb as often as moccadins or chicken snakes.
I simply mean that you can play in your garden without fear of being in a nest of snakes- as Many hogs as you have your snake population shouldn't be bad- tho snakes WON'T know inside the electric fence is a safe haven. Let me know how those cukes taste please? I am growin lemon cukes this year.
LOL! I kinda did know what you meant, but the snakes made their way into my garden last year anyway. My goofiest dog, the border collie/German shepherd mix even got bit--not once, but twice. She's fine, she's got an iron constitution, bless her. And the pigs did try to break through my fence last year...Always a adventure gardening in my neck of the woods. Hope those hogs are feasting right now.
I'll try to remember to post photos of the cukes I grow. My New Year's resolutions were to stop using exclamation points so much and to get that camera out and take more photos to share. I'm just learning to pickle so the cukes will get some special attention this year. My grandmother used to grow a cuke called Blue Ribbon. Can't find that one anywhere now.
Lynda, give em room to sprawl out from your boxes, or give em trellis to go up. They can shade everything. are sun lovers that don't like bein touched. Thsts why mine are planted at edge of box and run across a lattice that keeps em out of grass and lets em dangle. Yum pina colada cheesecake, just what my sweet tooth wanted! Where was I? The burpless ones can get watery, if overwatered. Other than that they are a grateful and easy plant packed full of goodness.
Not only not liking water on the leaves but cucumbers need a consistant watering. Drip irrigation will be perfect. If they are allowed to become too dry, they quickly become bitter. You will do fine. Cucumbers grow themselves.
grits74571 wrote:For my weekly Garden class this week the topic is to be Using your digital camera as a garden tool I just hope no one tries digging with one ..But with my class you never can tell...
Excellent topic! I always take photos of a new found plant and then after it has been established to see how well it has grown. The comparisons are remarkable. How else do you use the camera besides digging with it? lol
After reading this thread I thought about putting some cukes in the latest hugelkulture bed but my DW soon trashed that idea by reminding me that ,my dog has access to that bed and she is a cucumber thief..So now I need to come up with something else and will do a bed like my Mother used a long time ago..and this is a method I have used before ..When I get started I will post pictures
Christi if we did learn from our mistakes I would be the smatest ****** on the planet.I told my class the best use For my camera is to post pictures on Daves and get IDs of unknown plants within an hour
Absolutely on the ID forum and the Daves suggestion too. Good going Grits!
The camera can chronicle the plantings in your garden also and document what you had purchased. I take a photo of the tag first, followed up by the photo of the plant. That way I will always have the ID on file... if I can find it. lol
Just needed to bring up this old thread and say that the new cucumber bed did not happen due to some sewer problems i was forced to leave room for the workers truck ..On the other subject I have both the Diva and the Fanfare planted the fanfare is a very fast growing plant and is starting to put on fruit as is the Diva will keep posted on the eating results soon
When I lived in Texas, as a kid, I always had to watch for rattlers in the watermelon vines. One thing we learned early, when one came slithering across your path, you just stand still and let it pass.
Picked the first Diva today and DW gave it high marks it sure looked good as she scarfed it down (sigh) maybe tomorrow I will get one for myself just eat it out there in the garden ,where she seldom treads LOL
I picked Burpless cukes today which I grow every year. Really love this variety which makes big fruit that is always tender and tasty. I also picked Straight Eight, an old stanby in the garden that I often grow. Next to the Straight Eight in the picture is one from my Suyo Longs. Impressed with these so far.
Enjoying reading everyone's favorites. I've grown several cukes mentioned and currently grow Suyo and Boston Pickling (known as Green Prolific at one time). Spacemaster was a favorite in the square foot yarden back in the 70's. It's prolific but I seem to recall it has a short season. We have more space now to grow cukes vertically due to snails and slugs.
Burpee Burpless is good but the Asian cukes are burpless and not watery, Jo.
I don't favor smooth skin, market-type cukes anymore (Marketmore and Straight Eight). Though the traditional farm garden cuke around here is Straight Eight, it has a reputation for being prone to every disease a cucumber can get. No worries, they use lots of chemicals. I do a lot of canning and like Boston Pickling for relishes and pickles. It's a little scary looking with its black spines but they come right off. My garden leans toward old American varieties and saved seed.
Copperheads are a problem here in the country and much worse in the city. They love the gutter downspout drains because chipmunks and flying squirrels go in them. Not a problem in the country so much. Maybe hawks pick them off? One of our two dogs is a hunting hound (Plotthound) and she can scent and hear a copperhead moving underground. She stands over a mouse or vole run and listens for them moving, then pounces on the run and digs like crazy. Once she gets them out she starts whipping them around. She has been bitten sixteen times over the last six or seven years. She occasionally delivers them to the back door not quite dead. Both sides of her dewlaps have V-shaped scars running from cheek to mouth where the fangs have gone in. No fur grows there. Gives her a vicious looking Joker scowl. We think she might be a million dollar anti-venom machine at this point. She only kills copperheads (in the snake department). We have an emergency snake kit for her that we travel with. It consists of Benadryl right away, Rimadyl for two days and amoxicillan for ten days.
There will come a time when the poison starts affecting her, but she knows her calling, keep up with the benadryl and Rimadyl, she knows you are pleased when she catches the snakes...I did not get cukes in this year, have an issue to resolve on trellises with my daughters views of front yard esthetics. The cucumbers look really good. From this early spring...
I grew Boston Pickling, H-19 Little Leaf and Muncher this year. For taste, Muncher still wins by a mile. Burpless and no spines, too. However, the pickle worms seem to prefer Muncher, too, and for productivity it doesn't come close to matching Boston Pickling. BP gives me an awful tummyache, though -- they look like they'd be great for pickling but not so much for fresh eating.
The H-19 Little Leaf had an early flush of high productivity but now only has minor yields. The leaves are also burning up as the temperatures ramp up. This makes me suspect that H-19 might be a good cuke for short season climates.
I read an article just recently where plants release a chemical signal to attract good bugs &/or repel bad bugs. Since it isn't something that breeders were looking for, some varieties have had it almost bred out of them. Now they are going to try to reselect and breed it back in. The article talked about aphids and ladybugs in particular. But I had noticed that with Beans and Bean beetles, too - they really prefer some varieties to others.
I was mostly disappointed by Viva and not real impressed by the fanfare but It may be the location ...This could be my fault as I planted those in a location where I have had fairly good results before ,now comes the But I had started some peaches from seed just east of that spot and did not foresee the kind of growth that happened the trees are now over 12' tall and bushy so that shade could be at the heart of my failure with the viva and the fanfare both ...Live and learn LOL
Another vote for Boston Pickling
Got seeds from a store display rack couple years ago and still growing them. They're doing GREAT this year no doubt happy with lots of rain, crisp prolific and delicious.
I'd post more comments but am up to my ears in relishes, pickles and pickling projects. Bless those Boston picklers. We planted a six foot fence line in May and another 6" fence line four weeks later. The first line is still producing and the second one will start coming in this week. Suyo actually out-produces them though and I prefer Suyo for fresh pickles that will store four to six weeks .
Parisian is meant to be a Gherkin pickler, but it does have small seeds. Homemade and Chipper are others that are said to have fewer seeds. I don't know it they are smaller. I have grown Parisian before and can say that the seeds are small.
One thing about the older varieties that I can also attest to: the vining ones do have to be tended to regularly. They need steady watering and once they fruit they have to be picked often to get a good, continuous production going. I like the vines, though, as they are easier for me to see the fruit. Sometimes those little devils hide under the leaves and you miss fruit here and there until you get a "wopper" going LOL!
LOL! High School class of '77. We have record breaking lows several winters in a row in central Illinois while I was in high school; and, yes I did walk to school (almost a mile). We walked in groups to keep warm LOL!
Glenda, I think that some veggies are affected by the different soils and definitely zones. That is why I find myself growing more than one variety and experimenting with new varieties since I moved from Illinois to Texas. Also, I really do think personal taste factors in so much.
I went to Tractor Supply yesterday. I thought I would mention that, for those of us who would like to save on shipping, that they are carrying quite a few Burpee varieties including some organic seeds. Also they had a wrack of Seeds of Change seeds.
This sounds about perfect for me I am totally anal when it comes to labels ..
I label every plant I set out and every seed in the ground..but when it comes to planning I am like Charlie Manson HELTER SKELTER
I've just signed up for GrowVeg.com to help me plan out my garden. I think if I can get it down on paper (or record it on the computer) I can at least remember what my gameplan was and, therefore, stick with it. I'm trying to do rotational plantings.
I could never find Mac software for garden planning and I didn't like the idea of paying for an online service, so I ended up making a template of my garden in Photoshop Elements. I print it out every year and fill it in so I can plan my rotations. I also label my seeds and plants so I know what I've got, and what works and what doesn't. I'd better get busy planting my peppers and tomatoes in flats, come to think of it!
I think I'm growing Diva again this year; last year my cucumbers succumbed to wilt and I'm hoping this year will be better!