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Australian and New Zealand Gardening: Bromeliads for Novices and Addicts - February 2013

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 5, 2013
12:43 AM

Post #9408869

Here is the new thread for February 2013 - Bromeliads for Novices and Addicts - new members most welcome, please join us ...

We came from here http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1292392/#9408872

This lovely little bromeliad is neo Small World

Shirley



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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 5, 2013
1:11 AM

Post #9408879

Thanks Shirley. You have a nice Small World heres a pic of mine a little while ago, i cant find a recent one at the moment.
My number 2 pic is tagged Leopard? 3. Old Love Letters in alot of sun which doesnt make it as nice a colour.

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 5, 2013
2:30 AM

Post #9408892

Hi Everyone!

Hi Jean by the sounds of things sounds like you have been busy shopping for more broms, isn’t it a great feeling and even more so when they arrive in the mail.

Hi Nev the framework support that holds up the shade cloth in our nursery appears to be treated pine (not painted) timber rafters on timber frame construction. The nursery is built along one whole side of the house so there are a lot of these planks evenly spaced the whole length of the nursery. We have flat headed nails that we hang pots from.

Nev so pleased to hear that you really liked the pic I posted the other day of the “Paper Bark Trees” in the Wetlands that you want me to email you with pic so you can pop in a frame, more than happy to email you the picture you liked plus some others that I took on the same day. I will have to try and take a picture of the really huge Paper Bark tree that hangs over our back yard that also lives in the Wetlands, it’s that big I don’t think I will be able to get a proper picture of it but will try on the weekend just so you can see how beautiful it is.

Nev pleased to hear your first meeting of the year went well and thoroughly enjoyed reading what was covered on the day. I also really enjoyed your article “How I Improved My Guzmanias”. I only have a couple of plants of these but reading your article has made me want to look at collecting some more but first I will look at practicing your method as mine do not flower as much as I would like them too but the plants do look healthy.

Nev thanks heaps for posting your various methods for hanging all your brom pots, I especially liked your mesh fence panel idea as this gives plenty of options for hanging and they can be shuffled along as the grow in both shape and size. I can see us using a number of these different methods to accommodate different areas of the nursery. I can’t wait to show Joe when he gets home as he will have to think of more hanging room for his orchids and you’ve provided us with so many wonderful options to choose from. Thank Nev. Also those little seedlings posted in your last pic on 4/2 look so lush and healthy; I can’t wait for my baby seedlings to look like that.

Hi Bree great to see the water has receded back down the paddock, what a pretty back drop with all those trees in the background. Luv your planter boxes and pics of all your broms. Bree great pics you posted on 4/2, yeah I think your Pic 3 is Dillings Black Beauty, I don’t own to post a pic for you to compare but it looks like the ones I have seen on EBay and liked the look of. Your Pic 1 Concentrica x albo marg is gorgeous.

Hi Shirley thanks heaps for starting new thread for November - it worked!

Shirley after I thought I got rid of my headaches from reducing my coffee intake only to the weekend I ended up with a whopper of a migraine yesterday and had to book myself in for a massage today because I felt so out of whack. Anyway I will see how I feel tomorrow after a good night’s sleep and if things don’t improve I will go see doc. Today I only drank green tea and lots of water (no coffee).

Shirley I really liked the pic you posted on 3/2 of Neo’ Raphael, what a beautiful healthy looking plant. My one is just a pup with a lot more growing to do so it’s nice to see yours looking so full of colour.

Hi Kristi, great to hear from you and hope you are over the dreaded flu. A few of us have been in the same predicament either with flues or chest infections. Nice brom pics you posted of your new acquisition, vrieseas are so amazing, I can’t get enough of them but am concerned I am going to quickly run out of room for them as they are growing and I also have trays of seeds that have germinating and growing that I sowed back in Oct 2012 and I have some others that I have now transplanted into their own little pots as they are growing well.

Hi Ian thanks for also posting hanging ideas, we are going to have to consider going down this track soon as I need more room to keep my broms, especially the pups that need a bit more protection.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

Pics of my Vriesea Seedlings ‘Fosteriana x Red Chestnut’ – potted seeds back on 23/9/12. I decided to give them their own little pots today because they were pushing out of the seedling trays and blowing onto the ground in the nursery because the mix was drying out too quick and was too light to hold them down and with this heat we are experiencing I was really worried about loosing them. Hopefully this does not kill them as some of them are still small, but a good majority of them are growing really well and look healthy, all up I have 44 as I have another tray with some in it. What do you guys think? I know some are still small but they were blown over growing on their side so I thought at least give them something more stable to live is so I have grouped some of the smaller ones together for support. I also checked on my real little seedlings in all the trays today and they are doing really well after the Miltons spray that got rid of all the algae and they seem to have benifited from this plus the light feeding I am giving them every fortnight.

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 5, 2013
3:18 AM

Post #9408908

Hi everyone, I managed to set up the new thread ... pretty pleased with myself LOL.

Nev, I like your pot hangers, I could certainly use some of those. What size wire do you use, is it plastic coated and where do you buy it.

Bree, those are nice pics, I love all three. My neo Old Love Letters used to have beautiful colour and markings, one of my favourites, but it is not much to look at since I fertilized it. It has produced three pups though, none of them large enough to remove as yet but coming along nicely. I love neo Leopard.

Trish, your vriesea seedlings are doing really well. Mine are nowhere near that size, probably no more than one single leaf about 1 cm long. Even my neo seedlings are not as big … you must be doing something right.

I was in Bunnings today and bought a couple of ancantarias for $7.94 each. They are a good size but were in 5” pots. I noticed others of a similar size in a different section of the nursery but in 6” pots and they were priced at $19.95. I will post a couple of pics, maybe someone can ID them for me as they had just the generic label ‘bromeliad species’. I thought they might be Extensa but could also be Glaziouana, either way I thought they were a good buy. I repotted them into 8” pots, fertilized them and gave them a good watering. I put them out in the hope of a shower of rain tonight to really get them growing.

Pics are - 1 my new alcantareas in their 5” pots, 2 repotted into 8” pots, note my lovely red blanchy in the background, 3 & 4 are random garden shots ... can you see my Rebel.

That’s it from me, till tomorrow,

Shirley

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podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 5, 2013
4:49 AM

Post #9408945

Shirley ~ thanks for the new thread and the photos. I will mark it to watch so I can follow everyones' beautiful bromeliad posts. I spotted your Rebel looking as though he was watching your every move. He is charming.

Speaking of that, Trish ~ I love the airborne shot of your Lucy. Very fun!

Thanks everyone for the well wishes on the flu. It took the better part of the month to shake it but yes, I am improved. I have read that many of you have dealt with it also and am sure it was twice as bad when it is your summer and so hot out.

Nev, that photo of Vr. fenestralis was when I first received it. Its' leaves were starting to curl before purchase but it was shipped poorly, being packed tightly into a small box. I was disappointed as the leaves were either straightened or damaged. When it settles in to its' new home, I will take another photo and post it. Thank you also for the Bromeliad Photo link. I do believe this will be a correct ID even though my photo wasn't the best.

I wonder if the moisture level in bromeliads will affect leaf structure in this manner also? Will they curl tighter if left a bit drier?

Thanks also for the information on lighting. I was in a quandry as I have mine in the greenhouse and will be moving them outside in a month or two. I need to decide where to position them. I am unable to leave them in the greenhouse as they will be toasted in summer.

Hello to everyone here. I'm still enjoying your photos and posts and wishing I had access to the wonderful selection of plants that you all find. Thanks much, Kristi

My first separated pup ~ Billbergia pyramidalis Kyoto

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 5, 2013
2:50 PM

Post #9409539

Hi everyone – First of all a big thankyou to Shirley for starting a new thread for February; and now I must do what I forgot to do yesterday.

Yesterday I forgot to comment on Kristi's remark about the “Bromeliad Forum”. In 2008 I joined the Garden Web Bromeliad Forums. It was a great site and had many members which ranged from from “newbies” like me right through to international growers and hybridisers of world-wide recognition. The one thing they all had in common was they willingly shared information and we were getting answers to our questions from people from countries all over the world and even to this day I still refer to the archive files on that site which still contain a wealth of information and wonderful pictures.

The people on that site were much like the ones on this site and very friendly and willing to help where ever possible with the sharing of information and pictures, and I learned much more from them than I ever did from books I had read. My only criticism of that site was that it wasn't very “user friendly” and after a few years one of the members from South Africa started up a much more “user friendly” site which most of us joined. After a short time to get familiar with the new ways of doing things, I think everyone found it much easier to use to access information and it became more popular each day with the membership quickly growing. Sadly, although a few of us were using both sites, after a while the first site became very quiet with very little activity as most of the members spent more and more time on the new site. Consequently, now there are very few people posting about bromeliads there anymore.

This second site went very well for a few years but even now it is also getting quieter each day as more and more growers chose to change over to various Face Book Bromeliad sites. I tried some for a while but after having computer problems seemingly every time I opened up Face Book, I decided not to use it any more. It wasn't just the computer problems, but the people on the sites just didn't seem as helpful and friendly, and the camaraderie from the original site just wasn't there anymore.

It was then someone told me about this little site and “low and behold”, that same type of friendship and helpfulness exists here just as it was on that original Garden Web Forum and I've been happily posting here ever since even though I still do look in on the other two Bromeliad Forums from time to time. It seems to me that as soon as these sites get too big, the camaraderie goes out the door.

Shirley – That’s a beautiful perfectly shaped example of Neoregelia ‘Small World’ in the pic you’ve posted, well done! As for the wire hangers, I just make them out of whatever wire I have that will do the job. Small ones like that are made from the same gauge “galvanised tie wire” that I make my extensions for pot hangers from and if the pots are of a larger size and more heavier, I use a thicker gauge galvanised fencing wire. None of it is plastic coated and is available in most Bunnings stores.

They’re good sized Alcantareas you bought and the price was much less than they would ask down here, but the one that catches my eye is the beautifully coloured young Ae. Blanchetiana in Pic. 2, it’s a beaut, and it’s good to see “Rebel” the watch dog on duty guarding it for you!

Breeindy – The pic’s you have posted are also nice plants and the one of most interest is Neo. ‘Old Love Letters’ as it is a great example of just how much the colour can be bleached out of a plant due to too much sun and I think an example shown in a picture such as this can explain things much better than the written text, so thanks for sharing it with us all.

Trish – Thanks for the offer of more pictures of your Paper Bark Trees, I’ll certainly look forward to receiving them.

I like the look of your little seedlings, that’s amazing growth in a little over four months. It would take about eighteen months at least to get them to that size down here. It seems like you have that “magic touch” and are now starting on the journey of becoming a “Hybridising Guru”.

One little tip which I don’t think I’ve mentioned about small seedlings previously and which is an “optional extra” if anyone choses to try it. When you are planting these “little blokes” into their own pots, small plants such as these are often prone to rot if planted too deeply in their pots; on the other hand if they aren’t planted deeply enough, they are often inclined to topple over as the small root system is insufficiently established to support them. We all know that if a plant isn’t firm in its pot or on its mount it will be reluctant to put down new roots, and the same applies to small seedlings as well. What I have found is a big help, is to stake these little plants with simple bamboo tooth picks; this will hold them firm enough while they establish a sufficient root system to support them on their own. True, it doesn’t look too good but it’s better than having a group of rotted seedlings because they were planted too deeply to try and afford them the same support they can get from the toothpicks.


Kristi – I hadn’t realised that the Vr. Fenestralis had come to you via the post, I thought you had personally bought it at a nursery. I have found that with any plants I get through the post whether they are packed correctly or incorrectly, they will all benefit from the treatment shown below:

1. Open box as soon as it arrives.

2. Be careful not to lose any loose notes or name tags which may have become detached and be in the box.

3. Carefully un-wrap plants being careful not to lose name tags which may have just been tucked between leaves.

4. Bare-rooted plants will sometimes appear wrinkled and mis-shaped when first unpacked (like a butterfly when it first comes out of its cocoon) This is because they have been confined in an unnatural position and lost some of their fluid content due to dehydration. (No opportunity to absorb moisture from circulating air) This often happens no matter how carefully they were packed especially with softer leaved plants which suffer the most.


5. First, lay plants on a flat surface in the shade and give a good gentle hosing to completely wet them.

6. Take a cup of raw sugar and dissolve it in a bucket of tap water

7. Give plant/s a good dunking in this solution to ensure the leaves have been saturated and that the well in the centre of the plant is full of the liquid also. Then stand upright in the bucket all day or even over night, occasionally re-dunking the whole plant again a couple of times throughout the day.

8. The next day, carefully examine the plants for insects or signs of disease and if apparent treat as required. If clean, then pot up or mount them and give a thorough watering and place in a shady location.

9. As a really good "pick-me-up" give a good drenching of “Seasol” following the mixing instructions for "stressed plants" or "transplanting"

10 Keep in the shade for a few days until plants have regained their original shape and then gradually acclimatise them to your conditions. (Not too much bright light at first)

For some time I have been trialling various ways of promoting roots on Neoregelia pups more quickly than by simply planting in my normal potting mix. After reading a post from one of our members (I think it was Ian) I decided to give his idea of planting a pup in straight Skoria a try. The pup I tried had no roots whatsoever and the Skoria was the 3/8” size which I found in Bunnings.

On Nov. 28th I planted the pup in a 100mm pot with this Scoria as the only growing medium. The pot was positioned in a poly styrene box containing 25mm of Coco Peat in the bottom. It was given no fertiliser of any kind except a bit of Seasol as a tonic following the excessive heat we had.

Today Feb. 6th (65 days later) when I lifted up the pot I noticed roots protruding from the bottom and into the Coco Peat, obviously searching for moisture and food. On closer examination when I knocked the pup out of the pot, it had a much more substantial root growth than I would have ever expected by growing in my normal mix.

The question now is, was the “quicker than normal” root growth due to growing in the Skoria or due to the two abnormal heat wave days followed by excessive rain we had a couple of weeks ago? It seems like I'll have to repeat the trial once again to get a true result.

The following five pic’s show the results of the trial. Pic.1 shows the size of the Skoria used and the other four pic's show the root development photographed from varying angles

All the best, Nev

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ianperry

February 6, 2013
12:45 AM

Post #9409893

Hi all, another fine hot day and we are enjoying plenty of mossies, little black buggers. The local council in their wisdom have decided that due to the fact that some people have allergy problems, there will be no mosquito control measures. They used to spray selective insecticides in the wet areas. Better that 100% of the population risk Dengue fever than a few risk allergy problems. Again the minority controls the majority. Off my soapbox now.

Trish those Vr seedlings look great, I haven't tried any yet but I have tried Alacantarea seeds and they are older and still a lot smaller. Some of the other seeds I have planted have given spectacular results.

Kirsty light and heat seem to be relative with growing broms. Generally with more heat we also get more light and our plants also need more water and possibly low nitrogen fertiliser. If the weather is uncomfortable for me then our plants will feel it too.Some more than others.

Nev you asked if I had shares in a weldmesh company. No such luck. I had a job to remove a security fence and I kept the mesh for my back bush house. The rest was either second hand fence panels or offcuts from an engineering shop. I have to get what I can where I can for as little as I can.
I think I got the idea of using scoria from a member in Cairns and they use different sizes for different plants. I had a 20kg bag of 10mm but it is all used up now and all I have left is 20 mm, big but it still works. I suppose that I could always crush a bit as needed with a hammer. It will work. I like to pass on information that helps another.

Bloody desert roses are throwing seeds through my broms. I am trying to catch them but I think they are more wind accepting thanTillandsias.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 N Old love letters getting bleached
Pic 2 N Princess Grace
Pic 3 Desert rose seeds

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 6, 2013
12:29 PM

Post #9410358

Once again, good morning everyone and a "cherrio" to all who can't post due to illness or other reasons and I hope we hear from you all again soon.

Ian – Regarding the mosquitoes, once again it's a case of a council being frightened that someone will sue them if they have an allergic reaction to the chemicals used to control the mosquitoes. Surely it's better for the people with known allergies to stay clear of the areas being treated and not put themselves at risk anyway, or maybe they would just like to get Dengue Fever instead; my son nearly died from it when he was in South East Asia and it's not a very pleasant disease.

I'm pleased to hear that like me you're into re-cycling; and there's just so many things you can do with bits of mesh and the off-cuts. My daughter calls me the “bower bird” because I'm always saving bits and pieces for that “rainy day”, but they do come in handy and with a bit of imagination I can always find a good use for them.

I thought it may have been you who passed on the tip about the Skoria, so thanks; it was a good tip and works well. Incidently, where Bunnings only ever previously sold the larger size Skoria down here, they now also sell the 10mm size, so if anyone is after some, maybe your local Bunnings will have it.

I must say your plant of Neo. 'Princess Grace' is a “beauty” and as soon as I saw it I thought it had some Neo. Concentrica in the breeding somewhere and sure enough just one generation back, one of the parents was Neo. 'Decora' which is Neo. Concentrica 'Plutonis' x Neo Princeps and it just goes to show how Neo. Concentrica has once again passed on the semi-concentric markings to a future generation.

Nothing much more to add today so I'll just post a few pic's I took yesterday around the yard. Pic.1 (centre bottom) is a seedling I bred from a Neo. 'Painted Lady' (sport), Pic.2 is Ae. Fenestralis, Pic.3 shows Neo 'Noble Descent' grown in low light and Pic.4 show a piece from the same plant growing in bright light. for comparison. Finally Pic.5 is a group of plants but take notice of the rather tall inflorescence on the large Vr, Fosteriana in the centre; it seems to grow taller and taller every day and the buds aren't even visible yet and I wonder if I will need to move it out or cut a hole in the roof to accommodate it as it nears maturity.

All the best, Nev.

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 7, 2013
5:44 AM

Post #9410956

Hi everyone, another working week nearly over, someone has to do it you know. We had a shower of rain here earlier tonight, everything is so green now. Of course, now the lawn grubs will move in en masse and turn the lawns brown again.

I spent a little bit of time with my broms this afternoon, potting up a few new pups, some of them from my collection and some eBay purchases ... photos to come later.

Kristi, congrats on your first pup, looks like a nice one too.

Nev, I purchased some scoria today and I thought I would give it a try after reading about your trial using it as a growing medium to promote roots on neo pups. Thanks to Ian too as it was originally his idea. Bought some wire too, so Michael can have a go at making up rings to hang pots. Thanks guys for sharing your good ideas.

I have a few more pups to pot up tomorrow then I might try to find the time to give them all a Seasol boost.

Now that was lucky … I was just about to cut and paste this from Word to DG when we had a power failure … it seems to be a regular feature lately. Luckily it was only off for about 5 minutes and I was able to recover my post as a Word document so I will finish up for now and then go and reset all the clocks, again ... bugger.

My photos are 1 neo Tricolour, 2 neo Tossed Salad

Bye for now, Shirley


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 7, 2013
11:48 AM

Post #9411228

Here we go again – It looks like it's just you and I today Shirley.

I spent yesterday at the Light Rail Museum and while there had a look at the brom garden which members of our Brom Society had planted about twelve months ago. Unfortunately the chap who usually looks after the garden has been unwell for a while and unable to attend and during the heat waves, with everyone thinking about their own gardens, this one was completely forgotten and subsequently copped a lot of damage which was made even worse with no follow up treatment, not even watering until the rain eventually started. There are a lot of burnt and severely dehydrated plants there now and it will be interesting to see just what Mother Nature intends to do about it. No doubt there will be a few losses, but I'm confident that most of them will “bounce back” and start the life cycle all over again. I'll see if I can arrange for some of our Brom. Society members to come down and lend a hand to tidy it up a bit as it's beyond me as I'm flat out just trying to look after my own garden. Anyway I'll keep you posted on how things turn out.

Good luck with the Skoria Shirley, I'll be interested to hear how your trial goes, I planted another half dozen pups in it the day before yesterday just to see if the previous results were influenced very much by the abnormal weather as it seems to have caused a few strange things to happen in the garden lately.

I've noticed that quite a few of the brom's in the shade house are starting to lose colour which down here doesn't usually happen until about April. Another strange thing has happened to the "Pony Tail Palm" which usually has about three flower spikes on it each year. Just a week ago I cut off the dead flower spikes which had been burnt to a crisp during the heatwave and yesterday morning I noticed there are nine new flower spikes just popping their heads out of the foliage which is most unusual as it never flowers at this time of the year and never more than three spikes at a time anyway. Maybe Mother Nature thought it was going to die and this is a natural response to try and produce some seed so it can re-produce itself. I've also noticed that two of the brom seedlings that were growing pups have just “bolted” and the pups have become enormous almost triple the usual size in a couple of weeks and now at least twice the size of the mother plant. (See pic's 1 and 2).

Shirley are your power failures due to the recent floods? We've been lucky down here with no interruptions, unlike back in the 50's when we were often getting “blackouts” and “brownouts”. Just last week we had a notification that due to necessary work on the grid, the power would be off from 9.30pm until 5.30 am the following morning and to switch off and unplug all computers, TV's etc. to prevent damage when the power came back on again. After doing all of this the power stoppage didn't eventuate which was probably due to the heavy rain we were getting at the time, so it looks like there will be a power cut in the near future when they try to get this work done again.

I like the pic of your Neo. 'Tossed Salad', it's a very attractive plant and the Neo. 'Tricolour' is nice as well. For some time this plant was called Neo. Carolinae 'Tricolor' and it got to the stage where almost every variegated NOID was carrying that name. It's interesting to read about what the BCR has to say about Neo. Tricolor, part of which says …... “described and named Neoregelia carolinae var. tricolor which became N. carolinae forma tricolor in Phytologia 1967 and was completely ignored in 'An Alphabetical List of Bromeliad Binomials”.

You can read the lot at:
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=7583#7583

There's also an interesting entry about the Neo. 'Tricolor Group' and this can be found in the BCR at: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=7584#7584

Time to go already so I'll finish with a few more pic's firstly Pic.1 and Pic.2 are of the fast growing large pups I mentioned above. They are on two Neo 'Gee Whiz' x Concentrica hybrids I made about four years ago and are much larger than the rest of the grex. Both plants have put up two pups each which are so large, they completely obliterate the mother plants. It's easy to see the Concentrica influence in the plant in Pic.1; as for the plant in Pic.2, I still don't know what way that will go. Pic. 3 shows a sun damaged Vr. Phillipo Cobegii (which I must trim the dead bits off now the hot weather has passed). Pic.4 shows two other plants which have suddenly shot up through the weeds after the heat wave and the following rain; the one on the left is a "Blanchie" seedling and I don't remember the name of the Neo. on the right, Pic.5 is Ae. Blanchetiana x Ae Eurycorymbus which I grew from seed and is now coming into flower.

All the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 7, 2013
12:51 PM

Post #9411299

You are not alone, Nev & Shirley. I am always lurking in the wings until I have something to show.
I learn a lot here. So much easier reading the posts with info and hints rather than trying to read some dry old book about broms.

I have done it again. I should write out 500 times.
...I must not look at broms on eBay...
I bought more...lol

I have used the scoria before as a medium for my cymbidium orchids. They didnt mind it but I found the pots dryng out too quickly in the hot weather and any fertiliser in the water was wasted as the water would all just run straight through.
Maybe the stuff I used was too large in size. I have not seen any other around .
The orchid mix seems to suit them all now anyway.

I took a few pics yesterday so you can see my new babies.

pic 1... vr. Poelmanii White Line x Milky Way
pic 2...vr. Red Chestnut x Squiggles
pic 3...vr. gruberi x Tiger Tim ( Shirley, I am sure I have the first name wrong as it was hard to read on the label. )
pic 4...vr. Luciue var. . I bought this one because I like variegated plants. I cannot find a reference to the name anywhere.
pic 5...a noid. This one has been sitting around looking half dead for a few years, but has decided to grow.
I like the coloring but have no idea what the plant is.
I am not even sure it is a brom.

Jean.







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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 7, 2013
4:16 PM

Post #9411476

Im here also, i check in each day even if i have nothing to post.
Thought i'd put up some of my varigated broms, didnt realise i had so many until i was repotting. Im starting not to like them as much as i did, i think they all look similar. I like the really white/yellow ones like Shirleys tricolor and i remember Nev posting one in a pic must have been last months thread.
1. Luna a little burnt from them hot days. 2. Gunpowder. 3. tag says Tricolor? with a question mark. 4. Prinsler. 5. Aussie Dream, im not sure what Aussie Dream's ment to look like.

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podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 7, 2013
6:07 PM

Post #9411587

I'm here too, just reading over everyones' shoulder. I don't have much to offer in the way of bromeliad photos or knowlede but maybe someday...

Like Jean, I need to swear off of ebay not sure if taking up smoking again could be much worse. lol What say you, Ian?

Nev, thanks much for sharing your vast knowledge. I have saved the info about refreshing a poorly "shipped" bromeliad. Hoping another one is on the way shortly and I will test your suggestion.

Wishing I had access to Seasol and Skoria. To the best of my knowledge, neither is available here.

As always I enjoy everyones' photos and posts. Please keep them coming and don't think you are alone. Kristi

Cryptanthus cavaulis ~ it reminds me more of an Orthophytum than a Cryptanthus.

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ianperry

February 8, 2013
2:41 AM

Post #9411769

Hi all, just another day here, hot and muggy with some cloud cover and a flock of pigeons flew overhead this morning.
Kristi, remember the negatives about smoking, maybe even lick a part ful ashtray. Then see if you want to smoke. I won't recommend it. I too have to watch what I do on ebay I bought some this week and we have our market on Sunday before our group meeting.It is funny how we can swap the bitch for the witch.
Seasol is a brand name here for a seaweed extract, you probibly have something similar there.
What we call Scoria is a porous volcanic rock.
I tend to agree with you that the plant in your pic looks much more like an orthophytum, still a nice plant
Bree an Aussie dream but which one, there are a few of them. It looks a bit like rosie but I think it has more red than mine.Another beauty.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Double decker Neo. Actually a mini growing in Noble decent ib poor light.
Pic 2 Neo Birdrock
Pic 3 Neo Red Macaw
Pic a sunburnrd Ae orlianda the black one

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 8, 2013
5:11 AM

Post #9411825

Hi everyone,

here we are at the weekend again. We have nothing very exciting planned but will probably go to the market in the morning, if it’s a nice day. Then home again to continue with the clean up around the yard.

Nev, sorry to hear about the damage to the garden at the Light Rail Museum, hope you are able to get someone to help tidy it up and that it bounces back again.

Nev / Ian, I have a couple of questions relating to the scoria, I should have thought to ask them last night so I could have potted up the pups as planned today using the scoria.

Firstly, can it be used straight from the bag as you buy it or does it need to be washed and if so, how thoroughly does it need to be washed. Secondly, Nev you mention placing the pot on a bed of coco peat, which I assume is kept moist. Once the roots grow through the base of the pot into the coco peat, how do you remove the pup from the pot of scoria without damaging the roots. I guess it would be best to keep a close eye on the pups and as soon as any roots start to emerge, remove it from the scoria immediately. I remember someone saying that they grow their broms in scoria, might have been Tash I think.

I don’t know the cause of the power failures Nev, but I am guessing they are still working to repair some of the lines though it has happened several times in the last week, always very late at night or in the early hours of the morning so it could be that damaged tree limbs are dropping that have been weakened or caught up. We don’t get any notice of the blackouts and we often get brownouts.

Jean, good to know you are ‘lurking’ and enjoy reading the posts even if you don’t contribute. I have been brom buying on eBay too … it is very addictive, isn’t it. Just wish I had more spare dollars to bid with. You have the name Gruberi correct Jean but not sure about your last pic … it could be an agave … what does everyone else think.

Bree, I am still very partial to variegated neos. I have just bought neo Luna and I have all the others you have posted I think. Even though they do look similar in colour, they still look stunning.

Kristi, you might be able to get something similar to Seasol where you live. It’s a fish / kelp based product, I think. Nev could certainly set you right on its’ composition and you may have something available there by a different name.

Whoops … I just read Ian’s post … it’s a seaweed extract Kristi, and he has said pretty much what I was trying to say.

Thanks Ian, for the info on Seasol. What a shame your Ae Orlandiana has such terrible burns. No doubt it will recover but burning like that certainly knocks them about.

My pic 1 is vr Big Red with some of my hanging baskets in the background, pic 2 is neo Lila, pic 3 is vr Gruberi Tiger Tim and pup which I should remove but I think removing it will do too much damage as it’s very high up.

Bye for now, talk tomorrow,

Shirley




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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 8, 2013
12:40 PM

Post #9412264

Good morning once again – here we are at the start of another weekend and a chance for more time out in the garden among the brom's.

Jean – When you said yesterday, “I found the pots drying out too quickly in the hot weather and any fertiliser in the water was wasted as the water would all just run straight through” - This will happen when any inert substance is used as a potting medium. I found the same when I grew orchids in Blue Metal, Slag or Pumice and the same when I've grown brom's in gravel, Skoria, Perlite, Polystyrene or straight Charcoal; none of these mediums contain any natural food value and food has to be provided as an “extra”.

As you say, fertiliser and water run straight through; so the best way to fertilise is to foliar feed, i.e. spray a liquid fertiliser on the foliage (preferably in the late afternoon) and let the plant slowly absorb it in this way. (Two good reliable fertilisers that come to mind are “Phostrogen” and “Manutec Bloom Booster”)

As for watering, when I use any of these substances as a growing medium I always stand the pots within a cut-down polystyrene box on a 25mm bed of (fine grade) Coco Peat in the bottom of the box. I put just a couple of drainage holes in the box covered with an off-cut of shade cloth to prevent the fine Coco-Peat from being washed out; this allows slow drainage after watering and time for the the coco-peat to absorbed a lot of of the water. Because it’s continually damp, the roots will quickly find their way though the medium in search of this moisture.

In your Pic 3 you say, “Shirley, I am sure I have the first name wrong as it was hard to read on the label”. However it's very likely what you have written is what was on the label, but it should be just Vr. 'Tiger Tim' as this is what ‘Tiger Tim’ is registered as.

Vr. 'Tiger Tim” is a select cultivar from a crossing using Vr Ospinae var. Gruberi as the seed parent and crossed with an unknown pollen parent.
See: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=VRIESEA&id=9212#9212

The plant in your Pic.4 could well be Vr 'Lucille' with a badly written double “l” looking like a “u”
It is a variegated plant registered in 1970 and you can read all about it and see the pic's at:
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=VRIESEA&id=8813#8813

As for your plant in Pic. 5, I think it could be Billbergia 'Perriams Pride' which was first registered in 1986. When it's grown into a bigger plant and given good light it can be quite attractive (See my plant in Pic.1).

Breeindy – What a great collection of variegated plants you’ve posted today and such great colour too. You mention about the plant in Pic.3 having a ? after the name of Neo ‘Tricolour’, this is exactly what I wrote about yesterday in my answer to Shirley where I said, “For some time this plant was called Neo. Carolinae 'Tricolor' and it got to the stage where almost every variegated NOID was carrying that name” which could possibly be what’s happened with your plant; the grower wasn’t sure of the name and it just became recorded as Neo. Tricolor?

You say you’re not sure what Aussie Dream is meant to look like; Aussie Dream was a grex name given to a famous cross made by Bob Larnach and which there were a lot of arguments about. It was proposed to register all of the special plants in the grex as Neo Aussie Dream followed by a different varietal name (in the same way that orchid names are registered). The registrar at that time decided that they would just be given the varietal name and hence the name Aussie Dream name was dropped altogether.
To read the full story, go to: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=2992#2992

From this grex there are twenty seven (mostly variegated) registered plants as well as probably just as many which aren’t registered. Your plant looks very similar to an immature Neo ‘Glorious’ sometimes incorrectly called. Neo Aussie Dream ‘Glorious’.

Kristi – I don’t know about Skoria, but I know that Seasol is exported to some countries but whether yours is one of them I don’t know. You can read all about it at: http://www.seasol.com.au/ and could check on availability in your country by contacting the suppliers at export@seasol.com.au

Alternatively you may be able to get a similar “liquid seaweed product” in your country as I know there are different types apart from Seasol made here in Australia and overseas as well.

I have to agree with you, your plant of Cryptanthus cavaulis looks more like an Orthophytum than a Cryptanthus to me also. Just for the record, is that snow on the ground outside the window in the background?... Brrrrrrrrrr.

Ian – Was you double decker plant the result of putting a mini in the cup of Neo. ‘Nobel Descent’ to promote quicker root growth or is it an experiment of yours to accommodate more plants within the same space?

The plant in your second picture (Neo ‘Birdrock’) is an interesting plant and for the members here who don’t know of it, it is a plant which has unusual silvery like lines on the underside of the leaves when grown in good light (See Pic.2). The exact parentage isn’t known and the information on the BCR was updated in Sept. 2012 by the registrar Geoff Lawn and now tells us the following:

“Hybrid of 'Rosea Striata' ? . Available from Bird Rock Tropicals in 2000. Named and acquired by Pamela Koide Hyatt in the late 1980s from her landscaper friend Doug Laglan who found it in a Los Angeles garden, unidentified. Breeder, exact parentage and origin unknown. This entry updated 9/2012 by G. Lawn .Country of origin: California USA”

I just mention this as another example of where a plant which was previously a NOID is now registered and much sought after because of its unusual foliage and for more pictures, go to http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3170#3170

Shirley – When I use the Skoria I use it straight from the bag and once potted up I give the pot a good deep watering until the red coloured water runs clear from the bottom of the pot. This colour will continue to leach out for the next couple of waterings and then it eventually runs clear all the time.

As for placing the pots on a bed of Coco Peat, yes the roots will get down into the Coco Peat, but that’s not a problem. I just lift the pot out, cut them off where they protrude from the bottom of the pot, and take the plant from the pot and then pot up in my usual mix. (I only used the Skoria to get quicker root growth on the pups initially and don’t use it as the growing medium all the time; but there’s no reason why you couldn’t as long it’s fertilised as I explained above in my response to Jean). Perhaps Ian has more experience with it and has comments that he’d like to add.

Regarding some variegated plants looking a bit similar to each other, I usually just put a spotted plant in between to break up the monotony of the variegations and they seem to look altogether different. As for removing your Vr. ‘Tiger Tim’ pup, I’d be inclined to leave it on the plant unless you want to swap or sell it to someone. These plants look quite spectacular when allowed to clump up a bit.

I’ve always marvelled at the colours in Neo ‘Lila’ especially where the red meets the green, it looks like someone has painted it on and the brush has run out of paint halfway through the job.

Well that will do me for today. The pic’s today are Pic.1 is Billbergia 'Perriams Pride' for Jean to compare with her NOID, Pic. 2 shows the underside of a leaf from Neo. Birdrock, Pic .3 show my burnt Vr Phillipo Cobergii after I had trimmed off the damaged parts of the leaves. The damage isn’t as obvious when you trim the leaf ends the same shape as the undamaged ones. Pic’s.4 and 5 show a few Billbergia seedlings just starting to colour up nicely.

All the best, Nev

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 8, 2013
12:48 PM

Post #9412269

Shirley, I did think of an agave when I saw how the noid brom had grown . It had been at the back and done nothing for so long .
The leaves are not like the succulent agaves.
The label it came with says blanchetiana, but its not like any pics I have seen.
I will just have to wait until it grows more.

Looking at my old brom pics, I found the one I thought it was, that came with the epis, but that one has been ID'd by Sue a few years ago as ae. coelestis. (pic below)
Seeing the two now , they do look alike.
Jean.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 8, 2013
1:02 PM

Post #9412279

Nev, thank you for the helpful info. I think I will leave all the orchids and broms in the orchid mix as they are all doing well.
I do foliar feed the broms when I do all the epis & zygos. .
I have a bil. Perriams Pride here and the noid does look a bit like it.
I will have to wait until it grows more.
Thank you for the name of the vr. Lucille.
You may be correct as the label was hard to read.

Its always a pleasure to look in here and find help while admiring all the broms I really do need. ..lol
Jean.

breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 8, 2013
2:22 PM

Post #9412357

Heres some varigated ones i do love alot.
Love Birdrock, one i have on my to get list. Thanks for that information Nev. Whats the difference between Predator and Predatress?
1. Gold Medal (do you think?). 2. Ach. Pie in the Sky. 3. Chirripo. 4. Wild Gossip.

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ianperry

February 9, 2013
2:37 AM

Post #9412777

Hi all, I went potty today and potted up some plants and did some dead leafing in between light showers.
Nev my double decker was accidental, the mini was knocked off a tree last year and I just put it in the centre to do something with it later. It hasn't happened as yet. I wonder if I was to keep growing them upwards whether this could be called vertical gardening and saving space.
I am experimenting with a lonely plant, Quesnelia Tim Plowman and have put it in with a Quesnelia Mamorata to see if I can get Tim to reproduce. It has been sulking for nearly 2 years now. Maybe some root competition will help. What can I lose.
The clumping Dyckias are a bit of a challenge to separate but I didn't take any pics of it. The name of that 1 I worked today is Dyckia Sun Tan hybrid. The other Dyckia that I worked today is Shere delight and I did take pics of it step by step and then mixed them up here. This is only a small plant as the original pot will show, it is a 2" pot and there is also a cigarette lighter to scale the size.
When I use scoria I use it as I get it, actually I am using it on the floor over a concrete floor to increase humidity. I use on it's own with starting my Vresias and it seems to work, it gives good drainage and aeration. I always use liquid fertiliser and I heavily rely on a weak solution of Condy's Chrystals. I use it on everything. Here it is worth $240.00 per cubuc metre plus delivery. It is expensive but does not break down like other mixes. I hope to be able to use more of it. With Neos I use a pinebark and potting mix with some scoria on the top of the pot to hold down any floating parts of the mix and also to stabilise the pups. I even have a couple of tills growing in it and a broken one I put there last year has roots on it today. I don't know what its limits are
Bree Tiger tim is a nice plant. Taking the pups off can be damaging to the plant, Nev's idea of letting it clump could be a good one. I might try it with mine.
Have a good one
Ianh
Pic 1 Ques Tim Plowman and mamorata
Pic 2 Dyckia shere delight pups
Pic 3 Dyckia shere delight needing separation

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podster
Deep East Texas, TX
(Zone 8a)

February 9, 2013
4:35 AM

Post #9412807

Ian ~ I like your Dyckia shere delight. I like all the Dyckias until time to separate them. Is there any easy way to do so?

Nev ~ thank you for the Seasol link. I had already read up on it as you had all recommended it highly. I will have to search locally for a similar product.

Thankfully, no! That wasn't snow out the window. It was a gloomy day and you are probably seeing leaves on the lawn that hadn't been raked. Although we get some cold temps, it is rare to see snow here.

I had this Dyckia since 2009 and it has never pupped. Dyckia leptostachia

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 9, 2013
5:07 AM

Post #9412832

Hi all, we went off to the local market this morning as planned but while it was sunny here when we left home, when we arrived at the market, about 10 km away, it was raining. There were very few stalls there but I managed to get three nice broms. Unfortunately two of the three were unnamed and the third, I believe, was incorrectly named. I will post pics and hopefully I can get positive IDs on them.

I potted up a couple of pups in the scoria this afternoon and placed them in a low Styrofoam box with coco peat on the bottom. Nev, I will let you know how they go.

Nev, you have some lovely bill seedlings there.

Jean, hope you get an ID on your brom. I know it doesn’t really matter but I like to have a name for mine if possible … mind you, not having an ID has never stopped me from buying a brom I fancied.

Bree, all three broms I bought at the market today are variegated, I am really attracted to them.

Hi to Ian and Kristi and anyone else looking in. Sue, Wendy and Jen, you have been missed, hope you will be back again soon. Trish, looking forward to hearing from you.

Anyway, back to the market broms …

Pic 1 is a large NOID brom, the seller assured me it’s a neo, if anyone can ID it for me that would be great. It was in a 5" pot when I photographed it, I have since repotted it.
Pic 2 was also unnamed but I’m 99% sure it’s neo Kahala Dawn.
Pic 3 was labelled as Roy’s Special. I already have a neo Roy’s Special but it is very different from this one. My other one is not albo marginated and those pictured on the BCR aren’t either. There is one named Roy’s Pink that is, so perhaps that’s it.
Pic 4 is my original neo Roy’s Special.

Well, it’s getting late so I’ll finish up and catch up again tomorrow.

Shirley


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 9, 2013
1:33 PM

Post #9413317

Hi everyone – It's good to see a few posting again but we're still missing a few of the regulars and I hope it's not illness or floods that's keeping them away. Sue, Wendy, Tash, Jen, Colleen (just to name a few)...Where are you??????

Jean – That picture I posted of Billbergia 'Perriam's Pride' is probably not an accurate likeness as I just put the plant on the shade house floor and it seems to have absorbed the colour reflected from the Euco Mulch on the floor making it look more pink than it really is; I'll take another pic. outside on the grass and post that.

Breeindy – The difference between Neo. 'Predator' and 'Predatress' is that Predator is albo-marginated and 'Predatress' is not. The albo-margination isn't always clearly defined as it's mixed up with other colours as well and often over-layed with red spotting. Neo. 'Predatress' is a variegated sport from 'Predator' and has similar colours but without the albo-margination. I have had Neo. 'Predatress' sometimes revert back to Neo. 'Predator' so it seems it's still a bit unstable. Just out of interest, Neo 'Predator' is a Chestor Skotak hybrid and comes from the complicated parentage of [((carolinae x 'Painted Lady') x 'Takemura Princeps')) x carolinae)]

I'm not familiar with Neo. 'Gold Medal' so I really can't help you with ID confirmation. Having said that, your plant does look a bit similar to the second pic of Neo. 'Gold Medal' on the BCR; go to http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=9992#9992 and have a look and see what you think your self.

Ian – I like your idea of a vertical garden, maybe you could put one of the very small Neo's in the cup of that small Neo as well and make it into a three story vertical garden.

I notice that your Ques. 'Tim Ploughman' is just a single plant; I read somewhere that they do “sulk” a lot when a single plant is removed from the main clump and they take a while to get going and once they do start growing, it's best to let them clump up as they are easily “upset” by being disturbed. I was given a pup about eighteen months ago and it hasn't grown an inch yet.
I'm interested in your little experiment with it in the same pot as Ques. Marmorata and look forward to hearing what the result will be.

Ian, I found with any clumping prickly plants that when dividing it's much easier (and less likely to get spiked) if you turn the plant upside down and work from beneath.

You're lucky to be able to buy Skoria in bulk at that price, I have to buy it in 20kg bags for $15 each that's why I haven't up till now been using much of it. I think I'll try some in with my Billbergia mix because as well as the benefits already spoken about, the extra weight could possibly stop them from tipping over.

I also like your idea of putting it on the top of the bark mixes to stop them from being washed from the pot which has always been a problem especially with the plants I have hanging so I'll have to trial that as well... Good thinking; keep the ideas coming, that's what these forums are all about.

Kristi – I think you should be able to get a similar product to Seasol over there as I often see my brom friends in America mentioning seaweed products on the forums. I'll post a question on the forums and see what sort of answers I get and report back to you. In what part of America do you live?

Shirley – Wow! What a haul of brom's you picked up at the markets, you should be very pleased with yourself; if only we had markets like that down here.

At first glance of your plant in Pic I was thinking one of the Ae. Luedemanniana cultivars like 'Mend' or 'Rodco' or one of those, but if the seller told you it's definitely a Neo., then that shoots that suggestion down doesn't it? I would definitely say that Pic.2 is Neo Kahala Dawn and that you're right on the money with your ID.

The plant in Pic.3 which you bought as 'Roy's Special' is a great looking plant with nice wide leaves and nice configuration. From what I know and hear about Neo.'Roy's Special', it seems to be a very unstable plant which would explain the difference between this new plant and the Roy's Special you already have and it's very likely they are both Neo. 'Roy's Special' even though the new one is albo-marginated.

When I last looked there were five different “Roy's” registered under different names; four of which were bred by Margaret and Bill Patterson and they are 'Roy's Dream', 'Roy's Lady', 'Roy's Pink', and a second different plant named as 'Roy's Pink' also. Roy's dream is variegated with Roy's Lady and both Roy's Pinks being albo-marginated.

The fifth one, Neo 'Roy's Special' (the one in question) was bred by Roy Ford and registered by Margaret Patterson. As I read between the lines it seems like the “Roy” after which they were all named is probably Roy Ford, the hybridiser of Roy's Special and you can see just by looking at the pic's of this plant that they all differ a little.
See http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=6895#6895

I was “conned” into buying one by an unscrupulous seller when I was just starting into brom's and was told the variegations would appear as it matured. Of course they didn't and it turned out to be just plain with no variegation; knowing what I know now, it was a NOVAR. It still had the nice wide leaves and nice colour, but no variegation and should have been named Neo. 'Roy's Special' NOVAR.

That will do for today as my old brain is starting to burn and I'll finish with a few more pics. Pic.1 is a few more Bill. Seedlings, Pic.2 and 3 are a couple of Bill's, Pic.4 is Neo. Meyendorffii minor NOVAR and Pic. 5 is a seedling from a Neo. 'Thunderbird' cross.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 9, 2013
3:38 PM

Post #9413423

Yeah Shirley the varigated brom you got from the market are all nice ones, i would have gotten them also.
Thanks for the answers Nev.
77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 9, 2013
6:33 PM

Post #9413603

Hello everyone.
How lovely to see all the variegated broms.
It seems I'm not the only one partial to them.
I have been moving all the broms around this morning.
Some of the less colorful have moved to the back shadehouse. They still get lots of light and sun but may be colder in winter than those in the greenhouse.
I want the greenhouse for all the vrieseas & nidulariums.
Its funny how ones taste develops for a type of plant over time. Now I have had the broms for a few years , I find I really like the vrieseas best.
Some of my earlier buys of neos are also relegated as they are very plain .
I need to get more variety in the vrieseas too as most are plain green.
My latest buys have been much better and I am including a pic of nidularium Ruby Lee variegated.
Its still a bit crumpled from travel but is very pretty.
It will sit next to the non variegated Ruby Lee which is pretty too.

The other pics are for a question ...
I have 2 plants which look similar but vary in size.
One is an old one about 5" tall with numerous stolons. It was labelled Ae. gracilus. It flowered last year with lovely pink/purple flowers and now has yellow seed pods.
The other is much larger . about 12" high with 2 stolons .
The smaller one is in the front greenhouse where it gets a lot of morning sun as the door is open most times.
It is looking more yellowish green .
I confess, I do neglect it.
The large one is in the brom greenhouse and is a nice bright green.
They both have the purplish bases . the larger was labelled ae. organensis.

On looking up the names to check, I read that the gracilus is merely another variety of organensis.
What do I name the plants ?. Both organensis or as one page I read, suggested..make gracilus into graceful. as the real gracilus is not in this country.

It doesnt really matter now, but if I ever want to sell them, I would like the labels to be correct.
Jean.

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 10, 2013
1:02 AM

Post #9413826

Hi Everyone!

Apologies for not checking in for so long, things have been pretty hectic aside from having 2 x birthday parties to go to this weekend, we just got home not long ago from the last party and sighed a huge sigh of relief when we walked in the door to our beautiful quiet and peaceful home. One was a fancy dress party so we went as a couple of the Flintstone cartoon characters - Fred and Barney, I went as Barney (Fred’s Sidekick) because Wilma’s dress was not overly appealing to me aside from the fact that I am not a big dress wearer to begin with apart from the odd summer dress that I don’t mind wearing because they are pretty comfortable, but anything fancier than that and I’m totally out of my comfort zone.

Hi Shirley, thanks pleased to hear you thought my vriesea seedlings are doing well; I am really pleased with their progress. Shirley great pics you posted on the 7/2 of Neo ‘Tricolour and Neo ‘Tossed Salad’, both gorgeous looking broms. I luved the nice thick wide leaves on ‘Tricolour’; looks like a good sized brom. Also luved the pic you posted of Vriesea ‘Big Red’ and Neo ‘Lila’ on 8/2, what great looking broms. My ‘Big Red’ has a pup now and I hope to get some more off it down the track. Great buys you brought at the market, especially liked Pic 2 which I reckon you right it’s Neo ‘Kahala Dawn’ and looks 100% like mine. Not too sure what your Pic 3 NOID is and because I don’t own Neo ‘Roy’s Special’ so I can’t really say unfortunately?

Hi Kristi, glad to hear you got a laugh when you saw the airborne shot of Lucy, she is a bit of a larrikin and keeps us very entertained with the things she gets up to. Just before she jumped on me while I was typing this thread and put her head across the keyboard so I could not type to pay her some attention, she is such a cheeky little bugger when she wants either attention, treats or to go for a swim or walk.

Kristi, nice healthy pup pic you posted on 5/2 of your Bill’ Kyoto, these broms are great for producing a good number of pups each year and when they are in flower in our nursery it really livens the place up with colour. It is so nice hearing from you and wonderful that you are participating along with all of us in this forum. I so enjoy reading everyone’s posts like you do and seeing all the beautiful pics everyone posts – it’s wonderful.

Nev sorry to hear about the damage to the garden at the Light Rail Museum, hope you get some volunteers to help bring it back to its former beauty. Wish we lived closer as this is the type of volunteer work I enjoy doing around Townsville.

Nev I emailed through to you yesterday pictures of the ‘Paper Bark’ Trees, hope you enjoy doing something with the pic you liked the most in putting it in a frame. Wish we could post one in the mail to you but postage would be a killer LOL.

Nev thanks for your kind complements regarding my vriesea seedlings I recently posted pics of. I read your thread the other day about using toothpicks to stabilise them to assist them to grow better and as soon as I read your great advice I quickly went and brought them inside and checked I had not planted them too deep (some felt like I may have) and then placed toothpicks either side of the seedling and lifted them a tad higher out of the growing medium, they are all doing really well, none have blown over or out of their pots with the wind, so I thank you Nev for your wonderful advice as always. Some of my other seedlings are still growing slow but they had to recover from all that algae that was growing around them that I finally got rid of with the Milton Antibacterial tablet I used per the packaging directions.

Nev fantastic pics you posted on 9/2, especially was intrigued by your Pic 5 of Neo ‘Thunderbird’ cross as I have never seen this one before and was blown away by its glossy autumn appearance.

I have not tried neorgelia seeds yet as I have not seen any of these for sale, would anyone happen to have some I could buy from them as I would luv to give some a try as I understand from what I have read in this forum that they grow a lot quicker than vrieseas? I have about another 10 trays of vrieseas to sow which I hopefully will get around to doing in another couple of weeks when things have quietened down a bit.

Nev I found you experiment with planting pup in scoria very interesting, the root system looked very healthy and happy as there was quite a bit of it growing happily by the looks of the pics you posted back on the 5/2 at different angels. It will be interesting to see if you get the same results after your 2nd trial and look forward to finding out how this trial goes. What sort of pup did you use in the first trial and will you use a similar type pup in the second trial?

Hi Ian thanks for your kind comments regarding my vriesea seedlings, you will have to give them a try, not all of mine are growing as quickly because of the algae issue I had but this lot have impressed me and have really made me want to keep trying these and other types of bromeliads. 43 + seedlings of this batch growing that I will have to look at accommodating as they grow, not counting all the other trays I’ve got growing lol. But hey how much enjoyment do you get out of trying something new and different, it makes you feel so alive and one with nature, such a rewarding hobby and great exercise running around the yard and nursery tending to broms and seedlings, life cannot get any better.

Ian really liked the pic you posted on 6/2 of Neo’ ‘Princess Grace’ what a gorgeous sized brom with great shape and colour.

Hi Jean great to hear that your still buying broms and by the sounds of things you may be getting hooked on EBay LOL. I really like checking broms out on EBay as I like to see what new stuff is out there and if I think something is worth the money then I don’t mind bidding for it, but for me it’s important from the very beginning to have a figure in my head on knowing how much I would be prepared to pay and know when to walk away, which is not always easy but the more you practice this method the easier it gets. Jean nice pics you posted on 7/2, it would be great to see down the track what your Pic 1 Vriesea ‘Poelmanii White Line x Milky Way’ ends up looking like when it matures as I have not seen this vrieasea cross before so this one has intrigued me.

Jean I think the pics you posted on 9/2 are Neo ‘Ruby Lee’ (first pic), and the other two pics remind me of either Vriesea ‘Pink Cockatoo’ or Vriesea ‘Red Cockatoo as mine have similar purple looking bases?

Hi Bree awesome variegated broms pics you posted on 7/2, Neo ‘Prinsler’ especially caught my eye as the leaves looked nice and glossy.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

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ianperry

February 10, 2013
3:11 AM

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Hi all, just popping in for a minute or two. I had a good day at the markets this morning and got some good buys I got an unusual plant thet was in a seedling batch(grex) that was supposed to be a cross between a Bilbergia Rosa and a Quesnelia Tim plowman making the offspring Bilmeas. This plant looks nothing like either of it's parents, in fact it looks like an Ae chantini but with dark colouring. No one can be certain a seed has not got mixed up. No one can prove one has either. There are no certainities with seed raising and nature. The human element may have prevailed. This would be interesting to run by one of the well known brom hybridists. Maybe there has been a throwback to a parent several generations ago, it is possible with livestock so why not with plants.

Trish I just might have some Neo seeds to swap for some others maybe Veresias seeds. I will Dbox you this week with a list of my more successful plants.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Bilmea maybelooks more like a Ae Chantini dark form
Pic2 Neo Constance

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 10, 2013
5:53 AM

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Hi all, another weekend over, don’t the weeks fly by quickly.

Nev, you might know Bree’s neo Gold Medal as neo First Prize Variegata. The scoria I bought last week from Bunnings cost around $8.00 for a 16 kg bag.

Nev, I think you are right about my NOID being one of the Ae Lueddemanniana cultivars rather than a neo. I have bought quite a few broms from this seller, who is a lovely man, but his knowledge of bromeliad names / species seems fairly limited. But, his broms are nice and his prices very reasonable so “what’s in a name”. But I must admit I do like to know … then, of course, there's always the members of this forum to ID his broms for me.

Thanks for the info on neo Roy’s Special, Nev.

Bree, glad you like my new variegated broms.

Jean, I have always been partial to neos and vrieseas, there are just so many beautiful specimens of both I find it difficult to choose between the two as a favourite. Lately I have been purchasing a few aechmeas as I have seen some really attractive ones.

Trish, sounds like you had a busy weekend, hope you enjoyed your birthday parties … how about a pic of Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble.

I should have a spare neo Prinsler pup I can send you Trish, if you would like one. I will check on the Chlorostricta F2 and Grace X Break of Day pups tomorrow and see how they’re going as well. I think they were two that you wanted, the neophytum Galactic Warrior still needs to grow a bit more though. I love that awesome pink vriesea in your photos, what a stunner … and also the white centred one in the forefront of your pic 3.

Ian, I like your neo Constance.

OK, that’s it for me, enjoy your week everyone.

Pics 1 and 2 are neo Prinsler, the first one is the mum grown in a shady spot and the second is a pup I have had in high light, I like them both. Pic 3 is neo Chlorostricta F2, Pic 4 is neo Grace X Break of Day (not a very good pic), and Pic 5 is neo Bobby Dazzler.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 10, 2013
12:25 PM

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Trish my Prinsler doesnt have pups or i would give you one, might want to take Shirley up on the offer. I love Shirleys Chlorostricta F2.
I got a few new broms. 1. Gladiator. 2 & 3. Maya(still a little squashed from the mail). 4. Duannes Night (doesn't look like much yet).

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 10, 2013
2:27 PM

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Hi everyone – I hope you all had an enjoyable and productive weekend like I did. I spent most of Sunday tidying up and potting-on seedlings and as usual found it very satisfying. I enjoy nothing more than being able to look at a group of freshly potted up seedlings and enjoying the satisfaction I get from growing them but more importantly wondering what they will look like when they mature. When you have a few hundred seedlings there's always something to look forward to and always something different each day.

Breeindy – I have to agree with you, Shirley did “make a killing” at the markets and I would have brought those nice plants home as well .

You're lucky to have got a plant of Neo 'Gladiator' it's a beautiful brom and was a cross made by Sharon Petersen using Neo. 'Hal Ellis' as the seed parent and Neo. 'Kahala Dawn' as the pollen parent. For pic's of a mature plant go to: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/showImg.php?id=4746 Please put my name on the list for the first spare pup you have. Neo. Duannes Night, I don't know; do you have a pic of a mature plant?

Jean – You say you need to get more variety in your Vrieseas as most of them are plain green. They come in two types and it's just a matter of personal taste as to what type you prefer. The patterned foliage types such as Fosteriana, Hieroglyphica and their hybrids are grown mainly for their many different foliage patterns and colours, but the down side of these is their flowers are often very plain and they can grow quite large and require a lot of space. The plain leaf types are often much smaller and although the leaf has no markings or colour, they do have very attractive long lasting flowers and the plants are small enough to be suitable for taking into the house for a bit of extra colour. Like everything, it's a matter of personal choice and there is some type of bromeliad for almost all conditions.

Ruby Lee is a very attractive Nidularium and there are others with attractive coloured foliage as well, such as Miranda with its variegated foliage of yellow and green or Innocentii Striatum with its green and white striped leaves. One of the smaller types is one called Nid. 'Nana' and is very attractive with its dark burgundy (almost dark chocolate) coloured leaves and contrasting red bracts. Like the Vrieseas, there are plants in this group to suit everyone as well.

As for your plant labelled as Ae. Gracilus, the name does need to be changed as it isn't Ae.Gracilus at all but a small form of Ae. Organsis which has since been registered as Ae. 'Graceful'. You can see more about it at : http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=AECHMEA&id=253#253

Trish – First of all, thank you for the wonderful pic's of the “Paper Barks” you sent me they're most appreciated as they are my most favourite tree.

Trish, I have used Neo. 'Thunderbird' in a few different crosses but I can't tale the credit for that one. It was from a pod I didn't make and was probably made by Mother Nature and her "little ants". I still like it nevertheless and so do a lot of other people who see it, so I guess it will still get some bench space for now.

As for my trial of the pup in the Skoria, I didn't pick any particular pup. I just had this particular one which I had been told was very slow to put down roots so that's why I tried it. I have just planted six different Neo pups in the same size Skoria as well as a Vr. Fosteriana pup and it will be interesting to see what happens now that we'll soon be going out of summer and into the cooler months. I'll keep you all posted on the results.

Great shots of your group of patterned leaf Vrieseas, so neat and tidy as usual. They certainly do make quite a “statement” when shown in a group like that. I do have to “second” Shirley's request though, “how about a pic of Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble”. 

Ian – Gee you people up north seem to get on to some “cracking plants” at you markets up there; I hope you realise just how envious you are making me feel down here with not a decent brom seller to be seen at any of our local markets.

I agree with you that the plant you show in the picture certainly looks very much like an Ae 'Chantinii' or one of the many colour variations in its hybrids. You say it's supposed to be a cross between a Bilbergia 'Rosa' and a Quesnelia 'Tim Plowman' which is certainly a very interesting sounding cross.

I've searched though the registered xBillmea crosses on the BCR (only ten of them) and Bill. 'Rosa' hasn't been registered as a parent in any of the crosses so we can't even get a hint of what its seedlings might look like, but if we to the BCR at:

http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=BILLBERGIA&id=768#768

…...and go back just one generation to one of Rosa's parents which is Bill.'Collevii', the first picture shows very pronounced barring albeit in reverse colours to what your plant has; so is this where it's markings have come from?.

I agree with you when you say, “There are no certainties with seed raising and nature". I have said many times, man may very well pollinate a particular flower, but who's to say an ant hasn't been there and done the job a few minutes earlier?

Just yesterday I was looking at a small group of Bill. 'Rosea' seedlings that were supposed to have been “selfings” (Self pollinated species [of which Bill. 'Rosea' is one] should produce all plants similar to the parent). Even at this early stage (about one year old) there are obvious differences between the marking and growth rates of these seedlings even though they are growing side by side under exactly the same conditions, so it's very possible that ants were at work in this case as well. There's always surprises for the amateur hybridist!

Shirley – No I don't know of Neo 'First Prize' variegata either.

As for the price of the Skoria, I think I might come up there to buy any in the future. Ian buys his in bulk so maybe it's quarried up in that area somewhere and that could account for the price difference. Extra transport = extra retail costs.

As for your NOID that I said I though could be one of the Lueddemannia c.v's, it will be easy to ID when it flowers as all of the Lueddemannias and their c.v.'s have similar flowers which are nothing like a Neo as they are born on a stem.

I like the plants in your pic's in particular Chlorosticta F2 and Neo Grace X Break of Day, are they both small/medium sized plants?

Gee look at the time, time I wasn't here,. A few pic's to finish with Firstly Pic.1 is Bill. Perriam's Pride (this time photographed outside on the grass) Pic.2 is Nid. 'Nana' (a cv. of innocentii var. innocentii ), Pic.3 is Nid. Innocentii 'Lineatum' and Pic's 4 and 5 are of the Bill. Rosea seedlings I spoke of in my response to Ian's post.

All the best, Nev.


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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 10, 2013
3:32 PM

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Nev, thank you for the confirmation of the name change for my small gracilus. I will alter the tag to Ae. "Graceful".
I love the vrieseas for their wonderful flowers. I just want to add some of the colorful foliage ones among them.
This is why I am adding the nidulariums with them.
I had a nice gift from a friend which enabled me to go totally mad and buy an expensive brom.
I dont know if I got a good bargain but I love the look of the plant. Cant wait until it arrives.
The cross is vr. Snows of Mauna Kea x Red Chestnut. I paid $40 which is way more than I could have afforded but for the kind gift.
I just hope it lives up to its wonderful parents.
I will also look out for any of the variegated ones that you mentioned.
I do like variegated plants of any sort as they make a statement anywhere.

I found a small brom huddling at the back of a shelf and it has no tag . I have no idea where it cane from. maybe something I saw at a market once. It is beautifully colored. I will get a pic later. Someone may know it.
Its soft leaves remind me of a nidularium.

Cold wind here now but I had better get out and water the rest of the pots as its going to be quite hot later in the week.

Jean.



breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 10, 2013
4:30 PM

Post #9414623

1. This is a pic the seller had of adult Duannes Night Nev.
Paperbarks papers is good to use as lining in wire baskets for certain orchid like stanhopeas (the ones that the flower comes through the bottom) as they can push through easy.
2. This is the picture of the adult plant from the seller of my Gold Medal/First Prize. 3. then My pup. Sue started Jan. thread off with one and its alot redder which is what i thought it was ment to look like. Dont know what mine is then but i like it.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 10, 2013
7:24 PM

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Just took pics of the little orphan I found hiding at the back of the shelf. I see 2 little shoots coming from the base. You can the lovely color and stripes. Its only about 5"high. Very cute.
Jean.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 10, 2013
11:25 PM

Post #9414918

Hi all,

Jean - The little plant in your pic is a Guzmania; just which one I don't know.

All the best, Nev.
ianperry

February 11, 2013
12:30 AM

Post #9414928

Hi all, I went to our first of the year group meeting yesterday. We had our usual discussion on what we want to do and when to do it. We are considering planning a field day later this year as well as our normal activities. Our March meeting is cancelled due to some members going to NZ for the conference. So our next meeting will be in April in Bowen a 2 hour drive and at a private nursery and make a day of it..Should be a good day.
Shirley I think your pic 1 09-02 is a pic of Anagelia Madam Lash, a John Catlan creation crossing a Ananas nanas with a Neoregelia.

Jean Snows of Mauna Kea X Red Chestnut sounds nice. Lengthwise Red stripe on bottom of leaf indicates probable Guzmania.

Nev The Bil X ques was done locally and is nothing to write home about for the rest of the grex, they all look much like Bil rosea with a bit more curl and the 1 normal that I have is a lot less resistant to scale. It is not something that I would try to breed from. That chantinni looking one may be a different story though.I will let it grow a bit first and then make a decision.
Have a good one.
Ian
Pic 1 N Gold fever

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perke_patch

February 11, 2013
2:53 AM

Post #9414964

Hi everyone. been a while hasn't it? still trying to catch up on all the reading but have to say congratulations to Shirley for starting the new thread.
We've been run off our feet since the Australia Day weekend weather event. We had 38 hours without power then the big cleanup began. We didn't really get any damage here but a lot of trees blown down around the area. I think since then we've taken 20 loads of green waste to the local dump. we've been helping so many people clean up and Johnny has been running himself ragged and risking us both collapsing in a heap from exhaustion. our place has been suffering from neglect.
sorry about not sending the parcels I've promised people. I will get to them eventually. I sent one off today to another lady on the fb forums. I have started a spreadsheet of wishlists with a collumn for when plants have been sent. to help our if I've promised anyone a brom please prompt my memory so I can record it on the spreadsheet. I do have some written down.

I've also had a bit of trouble with one of my eyes and find it hard to look at the computer or a page of a book. they called it a 'floater' which is an air bubble which gets under the retina???? so when I look at something it looks like little worms swimming across the screen or page. it is now finally starting to settle down after about 6 weeks which is how long they said it would take. It scared the hell out of me when I woke up with it one day. The old lady behind us is legally blind and I don't know how she fills her day. no TV or reading, can't see the garden or the views. she goes from her bed to her lounge chair and back to her bed. My worst fear I'm afraid. fancy not being able to see our broms. OH NO!!!!!!

I think I've read enough for tonight so I'll get back to it tomorrow .

Wendy
bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 11, 2013
2:56 AM

Post #9414966

Hi Everyone!

It has been a rainy (on and off) sort of a day here at work today which was a refreshing change to the usual muggy heat we have been experiencing; it only reached 32deg which was nice. Tonight should be low 20’s instead of the high 20’s we have been getting, so it will be nice to hopefully sleep without the AC on.

Hi Ian that sounds great possibly swapping some of your neorgelia seeds for some of my vriesea seeds. I will also D-Mail you on what seeds I have at the moment. I am looking at getting some more vriesea seeds down the track but need to organise some more shelving in my half of the nursery first. I would find it very interesting to try my hand at growing neorgelias as I hear from this forum they grow a lot quicker than vrieseas? I wonder if this is because they germinate quicker.

Ian nice pic of Neo ‘Gold Fever’, what a good looking brom.

Ian great to hear your first of the year group meeting went well and that you are looking at planning a field day and a trip to Bowan, isn’t it great having those sort of things to look forward to especially when it is such a great hobby enjoyed by you as well as others so you all get to learn and discover something new together.

Hi Shirley / Nev thanks yeah we had fun at both birthday parties but we were pretty over being out by the time we got home late Sunday and felt pretty exhausted when we finally stumbled through our front door. Sorry no pics to post of us in our fancy dress costumes, but possibly you will see one down the track as our friends took a few even though we tried running away LOL. Joe looked great and played the part well as Fred Flintstone. I was not overly pleased with my Barney costume so ended up accessorizing and ended up in a crazy wig, drew myself man brow that ending up pretty radical because I got a toothpick and fanned what I thought to be petite brows out to look like something out of the Stone Age era. I had a bone sticking out of my wig and wielded a club, but just not as big as Joes because I was his side kick. Even though my club was little it made a great sound the couple of times I did land a couple of shots to Joe’s head, I just had to be careful to avoid a hit from his club because he wielded a bigger stick than mine LOL.

Shirley thanks heaps I would ABSOLUTELY luv pups from your Neo ‘Prinsler’ and Neo ‘Chlorostricta F2’ and Neo ‘Grace x Break of Day’ if you can spare any pups that is. Pleased to hear the Galactic Warrior pup you are holding for me until it grows up some more is doing well. I have you down for quite a few pups so will have to check on the weekend and see if any of them are pupping yet and get back to you on where we are at with them?

Shirley the white centered vriesea that you liked in the forefront of my Pic 3 posted the other day is Vriesea ‘Kaumana’ – Shiigi.

Hi Nev great to hear you liked the ‘Paper Bark’ Tree pics and like you they are one of my most favorite trees. I am one of those that when we go to national parks or go for a bush walk if I see a tree that impresses me I go over and hug it. It’s been a habit of mine since I was a kid, I confess I am a Tree Hugger but I do not chain myself to them or protest or sleep in them day and night, I just admire them for their beauty and the shade they provide for my broms and the crisper air we get to breath because of them.

Nev that Pic 2 of Nid. ‘Nana’ is gorgeous; I have never seen this one before, what a stunner.

Hi Bree thanks for offer of Neo ‘Prinsler’ if you had a pup, I will definitely take Shirley up on her kind offer for one.

Bree nice new brom pics you posted; aren’t you glad you have that extra garden bed now to house so many more of these beauties.

Bree my friend too uses Paper Bark to line some of her baskets for her orchids and they really luv it. Joe has not tried some yet.

Hi Jean sounds like you did well with your purchase of Vriesea ‘Snows of Mauna Kea x Red Chestnut, you won’t be disappointed as sounds like a wonderful combination, I have these as individual plants but not crossed together so I can’t wait to see a pic of your new brom once it arrives.

Hi to anyone looking in or maybe on the Sick List.

Happy Gardening!

Trish

Pics 1 - Old Random...
Pic 2 - Neo' 'Rose Blush'
Pic 3 - Vr. 'Kiwi Sunset'

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 11, 2013
4:58 AM

Post #9415037

Hi everyone, fairly typical Monday today, I didn’t get much done outside, I had lots of housework to catch up with.

Bree, nice lot of new broms there.

Nev, neo Chlorostricta F2 is a medium sized neo and I am positive I sent you one a little while back, neo Grace X Break of Day is larger and more open. Your nid Nana looks very exotic.

Jean, I saw a Vr Snows of Mauna Kea x Red Chestnut on eBay, very nice, congratulations on your win. I didn’t bid on that one but I have made a number of bids lately but haven’t been successful in winning a thing. I have had a couple of second chance offers, which is great, but I just seem to be pipped at the post every time. Oh well, I guess I’m saving some money this way.

Wow Bree, that neo Duannes Night looks nice, I’ll have to try for that one if I see it on eBay again. I’ll post a pic of my neo Gold Medal.

Ian, thanks for the info on Anagelia Madam Lash, I hope that’s what it is. I read a little bit about it and apparently it doesn’t produce a flower, just twisted leaves … I guess I’ll know for sure when it flowers. Neo Gold Fever is another one I will have to look out for.

Wendy, great to see you back posting. I am pleased to hear your eye is getting better, don’t over do it though, just in case.

Trish, I forgot to check on the neo pups today but I will do it tomorrow and let you know where they’re at. Lovely broms in your random pic Trish, what is the name of the tall variegated one with the post behind, please.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 11, 2013
11:56 AM

Post #9415594

Hi everyone – Nice to hear from you all again. Not much of interest to report just more re-potting and re-potting and re-potting and re-potting and re-potting!

Breeindy - Wow! That Neo. 'Duannes Night' has such vivid colour, what a statement yours will make when it's mature.

Just comparing the two pic's of Neo Gold Medal/First Prize, yours has much better colour, so keep growing it where you have it and don't change it. Possibly the “sellers plant” was grown in low light but more likely pumped full of high nitrogen fertliser to maximise pup production; this is why it's so green compared to your plant.

Ian – Thanks for the update on the Bill. x Ques., It will be interesting to see how it eventually matures and what sort of flower it will have and I look forward to more pic's in the future.

Field trips with Brom clubs/societys are always interesting – we go on one or two each year and as there are no brom nurseries anywhere handy we usually visit about three gardens of club members each time. It's just amazing at the little tips you pick up on these visits as everyone has a different way of growing these plants and the gardens are all very different which make it even more interesting.

I love Neo 'Gold Fever' it's probably one of the best spotted plants around. It's a beautiful plant but doesn't show its best until it's grown in quite strong light.

Wendy – It's great to see you back posting again. Glad to hear you and Johnny have been so busy with the clean-up, after all isn't helping your mates what's being an Australian is all about.? But please don't let Johnny run himself ragged, we don't want to see him back in hospital again.

Pleased also to hear your eye is starting to settle down, it isn't until you have something like this or are faced with a life threatening illness that you really start to appreciate the things around you; everyday things like trees, animals and birds and all of the other things in nature that we usually take for granted. It sound to me like you both need to sit back now and put your feet up for a bit and re-charge your batteries.

Trish – It's good to see you're really getting your teeth into the seed growing; you'll find it's one of the most interesting aspects of brom growing that you could wish for, just don't let it become like my place though where the seedlings are threatening to engulf the house.

Like you Trish, there's nothing I admire more than a nice tree, I don't hug them though, I just admire them from afar. There are two large Paper Barks that our local council planted on the nature strip outside the Girl Guide Hall when it was built many years ago. One in particular has the most amazing trunk you would ever see and I'd just love to have it in my front yard. Unfortunately, like often happens, they are now getting too large and starting to damage the road nearby and are going to be cut down, so I must get a few pic's before this happens.

I really like your Neo 'Rose Blush', I haven't seen that one before and it has most unusual colouring. I think it's all the different colour combinations in brom's that really appeal to me the most, there just doesn't seem to be any end to all of the different variations. The plant in your pic doesn't look anything like the pic of the one in the BCR so maybe this is an unregistered Australian version, who knows?

Shirley – I really must have a stock take as I didn't remember you sending me down a Neo. Chlorostricta F2, no doubt I'll find many others I had forgotten I already have also.

They're nice markings on your Ae. Chantinii, unfortunately they don't do well down here; they seem to struggle on for a couple of years but eventually the cold winters get them in the end.

A few pic's to finish with Pic 1 is Neo Gold Fever grown in bright light, Pic's 2 and 3 are a couple of brom gardens we have visited with our Brom. Society on past Field Days and Pic's 4 and 5 are of my area for larger seedlings, first standing in the entrance and looking left and then looking right.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 11, 2013
12:43 PM

Post #9415657

Shirley- If you can wait i'll send you a pup of Duannes Night when it eventually pups. Love your Gold Medal, yes thats what i thought it was ment to look like.
Nev- i love the sellers green mature plant though thats why i bought the pup, looks like mine wont look like that as i only have sun. hehe! I also love Gold Fever, im sure i have it somewhere. Nev- your on the Gladiator pup list.
For some reason im having trouble posting pics...will later!
77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 11, 2013
1:24 PM

Post #9415715

Thank you for telling me my little orphan looks like a guzmania. I will be watching it closely to see how it grows.
It is now in the greenhouse with the vrieseas where I can see it every day.
I love the fine stripes on it.
I will get pics of my new broms when they arrive.
Did you all see the beautiful vrieseas on eBay going for hundreds of dollars ?
I dont think I could pay that much for a plant even if I had the money.

Nev, you have lots of babies there. I'm glad I dont have too much room here or I may have been tempted to try seeds.

That Chantini is lovely. I had one here a couple of years ago, but it could not take the very cold winter and died.
My alcantera is growing well now. It is in the open shadehouse so gets more weather than the broms in the greenhouse.
I must have had a granny moment and bought another because I found a small one that I had forgotten.
I also have a pup from the large one that is doing very well.
Love all the colorful pics.
Jean.
weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 11, 2013
9:06 PM

Post #9416239

hello all, just a quick drop in to say hello and let you all know I have caught up and seen all the pics. Wendy, take it easy! I'm glad your eye is on the mend.
I was interested in the discussions on Scoria as a potting medium. I think it would drain way too quickly here, although it would be good for some of the cold tender plants, to keep them from having wet feet in winter, or cooler weather. Also, it makes the pots a bit heavy, and as a sufferer of a bad back, thats the last thing I need.
Nev, if your pony tail palm sets seed, i would be very interested in some. Have yo tried growing them.
ian, I am interested in Desert Rose seed if you have any to spare. I will be sending you an Aechmea 'fosters favourite favourite' early next week.
hello to jean, trish, Shirley and bree. It looks as though you have all had some nice purchases recently.
Will catch up again, in a bit more depth VERY soon!
Sue
Neoregelia 'Raphael'
Seedlings from Nev, Aechmea callichroma x
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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 12, 2013
3:12 AM

Post #9416291

Hi Everyone!

I was so very pleased today as I was fortunate enough to meet someone who adores broms like I do and we are going to keep in touch. Like me she works so the time she has to spend with her broms is limited. I always get so excited when I meet someone new that is into broms and understands and appreciates the reason why we collect and adore them. She was kind enough to give me one of her Neo seedlings that is a couple of years old and starting to colour up, she could not remember what it was called but hopefully I can work this out once it matures. I helped her identify some of the other broms she had and she was very pleased and wrote labels for them. I am planning to catch up with her next month as I have a couple of broms in mind that I would like to give her.

Hi Wendy great to see you back and hope your eye heals soon. Looks like you and I posted at the same time yesterday as I did not see your post until this morning? Sounds like you guys have been very busy cleaning up after the bad weather, I hope things get back to normal for you soon and wish we lived closer so we could give you a hand. We did the same after cyclone Yasi, we went around and helped as many people as we could clean-up all the mess lying around and the working bee grew and grew and we met some fantastic people along the way that we still keep in contact with.

Hi Shirley the variegated brom in my random pic posted yesterday in front of the fence post is Ae. Lueddemanniana - Rodco Inverta, which has its first pup which I am really excited about and mum still has her dark purple flower spike which is nearly finished but is still very pretty.

Shirley pretty pics you posted of Neo’ ‘Gold Medal’ and your Ae. ‘Chantinii’ pup, mine has pupped too but it is at least half the size of yours, I have been thinking of cutting pup off but keep holding off to give it time to grow a little bigger first.

Hi Nev sounds like you have been flat out re-potting and re-potting and re-potting some more lol, I know how much you enjoy every aspect of brom growing even the repetitive stuff and at least you are looking after all your babies whether large or small.

Thanks Nev I am over the moon about taking another fork in the road and continuing learning every aspect I can about seed growing and will do my very best to not get too carried away given the room they will eventually need as they grow. But I can totally understand how enjoyable it is to see something so small and delicate grow into something so beautiful and amazing and I want to be a part of that wonderful element of brom growing because it will help me understand there growing habits even more. I checked on my babies today and they are doing really well with the new toothpick supports they have. I literally nearly crashed into a Sunbird when I was in the nursery as it was hanging off one of my ferns I have in a hanging basket right near my vriesea seedlings that I recently potted up, the Sunbird chirped at me as if to say “yeah Trish I checked on your baby broms today and they appear to be doing really well”, apart from after it had flown away I looked at my seedlings and one is missing, nowhere to be found, only the toothpick supports remaining? Only a very small vriesea missing but I suspect the Sunbird may have taken it to build its nest so I will have to keep an eye on them lol. Nev the pics you posted of your larger seedlings look amazing, how old are all these wonderful beauties?

Nev I would luv to see a pic of the 2 x large Paper Bark Trees at your local council, what a huge shame about them having to be cut down and that they got planted in the wrong place to begin with instead of somewhere they could have had room to grow and be admired or left alone.

Nev pleased to hear you really liked Neo ‘Rose Blush’, would you like me to put your name down for a pup when I can spare one as more than happy to. I do not have any history on this one other that what was on its label; I was lucky enough to get this one from Germaine also.

Hi Jean yeah I saw all the vrieseas going on EBay going for hundreds of dollars and wanted them all.

Hi Sue great to hear from you, yeah still busy buying broms, playing with broms and growing broms from seed, just wish I had more time as the weekends are just not enough and I pine for them all week when I am at work. I take a ‘brom of the week’ to work with me now and this helps some and I swap it over every week with a different one. Work colleagues really look forward to popping in to see what the ‘brom of the week’ is each week and are starting to ask a lot of questions about them. Luved all your pics especially your pic 1 Neo’ ‘Raphael’.

Time for a cuppa!

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

Old pics tonight:

Pic 1 - Neo' 'Red Earth'
Pic 2 - Neo' 'Kautskii'
Pic 3 - Neo' 'Gray Nurse'

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 12, 2013
4:40 AM

Post #9416333

Hi all,

Nev, are you re-potting and re-potting and re-potting and re-potting and re-potting neo seedlings. Keeps you occupied, no doubt, but you love it, hey! Wow, Nev, I just checked out your photos, no wonder you’re re-potting and re-potting and re-potting and re-potting, there’s so many of them. That’s lovely colour in your neo Gold Fever.

Bree, that’s great, I’d love a pup of Duannes Night. I should have another spare neo Chlorostricta F2 pup in a few weeks if you would like it.

Jean, yes I have seen all the lovely expensive vrieseas on eBay lately. I’d probably opt for vr Snowman ($200) if I had lots and lots of money though vr Tasman Rose ($250.00) was very nice too.

Sue, great to hear from you, we’ve missed your daily posts of late.

Trish, thanks for identifying that lovely brom as Ae Rodco Inverta. One day, in the distant future, when you have spare pups, I would love one.

Trish, the Ae Chantinii pup was one I purchased from Wendy recently. Love your neo Red Earth.

Tomorrow is our grocery shopping day, so again, not much brom time.

Pic is alc Imperialis Purpurea with an interesting cream stripe on one of the newer leaves.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 12, 2013
11:43 AM

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1.Jean heres my little Guzmania but i dont know its name either. 2. Aechmea Nudicaulis Mary Hyde. 3 & 4. Look at the weird colours on my Gunpowder.
Ive neally finished repotting my broms, i found a bag of that brom mix but couldnt find another so had to go for a orchid mix instead, i added pine bark and charcol to them though. The orchid mix just had better drainage then the brom mix. I couldnt find any brom mix at Bunnings only at a local hardware and i dont think they sell much as they didnt order anymore in. I think it looks abit chunky but it'll have to do.
What does everyone use for there Neophytum's and Dykia's?

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 12, 2013
12:44 PM

Post #9416800

Thats a cute little guzmania in your first pic breeindy. I also use orchid mix for all my broms as I cannot get anything else suitable. They all seem to like it.
I did once find a bag of orchid mix in Bunnings that was just bark but never found any again.

I have to laugh at all the dykias everyone likes. I have 4 here that came with all the other plants when I bought the epi collection years ago.( dykia encholoriodes x brevilfolia ) ID from someone here, but I forget who now.
I had no idea what those awful spiky things were at first. I put them out in the ground along the edge of the back drive. They flowered after a few years and continue to send up the very long flower stems each year. The plants themselves are now hidden under mounds of succulents. I never liked them and they can sit there where I dont get spiked from them.
There was also a puya which eventually died.
Pic was taken back in 2009 and all those plants around them have taken over.
Nev, that old tree stump at the back is where the Bil. Gerda broms lived for many years. Just sitting on the ground in all weather.
Jean.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 12, 2013
1:07 PM

Post #9416824

Hi everyone, I hope everyone's fit and well and for those on the sick list, get well soon.

Breeindy – If you want the colour of your Gold Medal/First Prize to look the same as the plant in the seller's pic., (although I don't know why as I think your is much nicer) just erect some 75% green shade cloth over it and give it a dose of high nitrogen fertiliser. It will probably go nearly all green at first but as the fertiliser wears off, the colour will gradually return and you will see the whole colour spectrum as it does. Thanks for putting me on the Neo. 'Gladiator' “Pup List”, and if there's any places left, do you think you could put me on the list for Neo. 'Duannes Night' as well please?

Jean – I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but Guzmanias are gross feeders and you will get better and quicker results if you feed you little orphan regularly.

Yes Jean I do have lots of babies and that means lots of work, but when you get that “occasional one” that's a bit different or has better colour or shape than some of the other plants you have, it makes it all worth while. Like I've said many times, seedlings are like a “lottery ticket”; a lot of the time there isn't a prize at the end but when there is it's something worth waiting for. You may get a lot of “rubbish”, but you do get some nice ones along the way also, and the main thing is that they're unique and you're the only one who has them.

It seems like you have the same problem with Ae Chantinii as I do, I've tried them many times but in the end we both just have to accept that there are just some plants that won't grow under colder winter conditions.

Sue – Good to see you back posting at last and your superb plant of Neoregelia 'Raphael' is a great way to may a comeback, it's beautiful; how much light was it grown under?

Sue you say that Skoria would drain far too quickly where you are, well it does the same here too and that's why I sat the “test pot” on a bed of Coco-Peat. The water that drained from the Skoria kept the Coco-Peat continually damp and in doing so, encouraged the plant to put down roots searching for water. Like you say, it's very heavy and I don't think I'd use it for everything, but for pups to push the roots along a bit quicker, I think it could be worth the inconvenience. I also use it in the bottom third of Billbergia pots, this way they are less likely to topple over due to them being top heavy. “A place for everything and everything in its place”.

Regarding the Pony Tail Palm (see pic), I've never tried to grow them from seed. This one was originally one left from a group that my son used for bonsai. When he got married and moved out he left it sitting on the bench along with other assorted rubbish he didn't want to take with him and as I wasn't interested in bonsai and just wanted my shade house back again for brom's, I just took it and stood it in the garden, “pot and all”. It wasn't long before the roots had grown down into the ground and the pot had split open and the thing just grew and grew.

I had never seen them flower and when I went to a local nursery I noticed they had a large one on each side of the entry gate where you drive into the yard. They had flower spikes on them but weren't in flower so I went back a few times to see what the flowers where like. When they did flower they had the most attractive red flowers which made a spectacular show and I came home so enthused I immediately gave my plant a good fertilising. Well it grew and grew and eventually it too came into flower, and what a “bummer” it turned out to be; the flowers on my plant were cream and nor the brilliant red I thought they would be. The tree is too big now to get rid of so it looks like I just have to put up with it. Perhaps I can grow a brom on its trunk?. Anyway, if it sets seed, you can have as much as you'd like and that goes for anyone else here as well.

Trish – I'm so pleased you've made a brom friend, perhaps you could encourage her to join us all here on the forum, I'm sure like all of us she would pick up lots of growing tips.

I'm pleased to see how thrilled you are with your seed growing, but there will be one thing you will eventually have to do and you won't like it and that's “cull”. It's obvious we can't keep every seedling we grow, but which ones do we toss and what do we keep? That's a dilemma that's bothered me ever since I got to the stage where I ran out of space. Knowing what I know now, I realise that there must have been millions of champion plants “binned” over the years by hybridists who just didn't have enough space to grow them all on; nevertheless, it still doesn't make it any easier to toss nice healthy looking little plants.

As for your Sunbirds stealing your seedlings to make their nest, try putting an off-cut of shade cloth over the seedlings for protection and then hang up some “old man's whiskers” (Tillandsia Usneoides) around the area, I know our little Honey Eaters love to use this for nest material and I suspect Sunbirds would be the same.

Trish, I'd love you to put me on the “Pup List” for a pup of Neo.‘Rose Blush’ when you get a spare. That would be great and no doubt you can find something I have that you would like in return.

I think that's a great idea of “Brom of the Week”, what a great way to spread the word and encourage others to try their hand at growing these wonderful plants.

Your three plants pictured are three beauties also, I have the last two but I've never seen Neo 'Red Earth' before and would very much like you to put my name on your list for one of its pups when available if that's possible. Neo Kautskyi is one of my all time favourite species and it's also one that readily “self pollinates” so keep your eyes open for seed to practice with.

Shirley – I don't know a lot about Alcantareas but I would have through that a stripe like that on Alc. Imperialis 'Purpurea' is pretty unusual; let's just hope it becomes more pronounced on the pups, you never know what it might just turn up as many beautiful variegated plants started out as just a single stripe and were developed by patient culling and selection. (That is, keep the best striped ones and toss the rest).

Incidently, to get the Gold Fever that colour I hang it about 18” below the beige coloured shade cloth roof of my Neo shade house.

Now to finish up with a few pic's. Pic.1 is the Pony Tail Palm for Sue and Pic's 2, 3 show two different clones of Ae. Caudata after flowering, Pic.4 shows Ae Caudata variegata at the same stage and Pic. 5 shows lots of ripe seed pods. I don't know what the insects crossed them with but if anyone would like to try some seed just let me know as there's plenty of seed and it costs you nothing to try.

All the best, Nev.

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ianperry

February 13, 2013
2:28 AM

Post #9417383

Hi all, not much happening here today except for some ebay purches delivered. They have been processed.
Yes Jean I did see those plants, I saw a Neo asking for $150 to start, nice like wild rabbit, but does not suit my budget. The real stopper would have to be an Alcantarea PITA asking for $850. to start and they will pay postage.
In my dreams would be the only place I would find these, but good on the grower for having a go.
We had a bit of a shower today, nice and cooling a welcom relief from the hot muggy days of the recent past. Pics of my market day
Have a good one
Ian
Pic1 N Justons song
Pic 2 N Smithii X Wilsonia (purple)
Pic 3 N Hanibal lector X dream baby
Pic 4 N marble throat X barbarian No7
Pic 5 Ae Burning bush

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 13, 2013
3:01 AM

Post #9417387

Hi Everyone!

I’m buggered...but hey the weekends just around the corner – yeah!

Hi Shirley I have written you down for a pup of ‘Rodco Inverta’, at the moment I only have the one pup but as soon as I have a spare you will be the first to get one.

Shirley what a cute yellow stripe your Alc’ Imperialis Purpurea has, it’s like someone dipped a paint brush in some yellow paint and brushed some on.

Hi Bree, I wonder what is causing the funny colouring in your Neo’ ‘Gunpowder’, is this just a new pup you got recently? Lovely pups you got.

Hi Jean, I agree those dykias look very spikey, I can see why you keep well away from them lol. I had enough trouble with the variegated agave’s I had growing in the garden, I lost count of how many times I got spiked in the arse by them and finally decided to rip them out of the garden and all my pots because I felt they took up too much room and was concerned about my friends kids getting spiked by them in the face or eye.

Hi Nev yeah great minds think alike I was also thinking of inviting the lady I met the other day to this forum and touched on the subject with her briefly given the limited time I could spend with her during the week. The next time I see her hopefully we have a bit more time to chat and by all means will see if she is interested.

Nev thanks yeah I am trying to come to terms with the word “cull” in the world of brom growing from seed and even though I have just started I am gearing myself up to having to do this one day as I am the type of person that rescues something I see growing in a crack between paving bricks, I have a great deal of trouble killing something I know could grow into something beautiful, that I either do not have or want more of LOL. I must snap out of it and prepare myself for the inevitable otherwise I will have to start growing broms on the roof and in the next door neighbours garden they are yet to landscape.

Nev thanks for the advice regarding the Sunbirds possibly nicking one of my seedlings. I have moved my “old man’s whiskers” closer to my seedlings and will look and putting up a piece of shade cloth to protect them.

Nev I just checked my list of “who wants what” from my collection of broms and noticed that Shirley got in early back on 22/12/12 for a pup of Neo’ ‘Rose Blush’, I will put you down for one never the less and will go have a word to my Neo’ ‘Rose Blush’ on the weekend otherwise we could all be waiting a while. Nev I already have you down for Neo ‘Red Earth’ as you were just as keen last year for a pup and I am more than happy to keep a pup for you.

Thanks Nev “Brom Of The Week” is going really well at work and they are getting a lot of interest, some of my work colleagues walk up and touch them and think they are plastic and are blown away when I tell them they are a living plant. A good majority of them do not know what bromeliads are. No one seems to have them growing in their gardens which disappoints me other than a few that have been so interested I have given them their first brom to try and grow themselves with a help sheet and they are emailing me growth pictures so I can let them know how they are going and then will show them how to remove their first pup.

Thanks Nev I did not know that Neo’ ‘Kautskyi’ readily self-pollinates, good to know and I will keep a look out and I would luv to have more of this one around the garden as I do not have many yellow ones about.

Hi Ian good to hear you got some rain and that it cooled things off for you. Nice pics you posted tonight, I just got a pup in the mail of Neo’ ‘Marble Throat x Barbarian’ and I really like the look of the marbling, your one looks really nice.

Anyway time to head off.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

Pic below of Neo' 'Kismet' - Nev and Sue I checked on the pups the other day and they coming along very slowly, I think we have one for each of us if all goes well and I don't kill them. They still have a lot of growing to do and I cant wait for them to have a growth spurt.

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 13, 2013
5:12 AM

Post #9417452

Hi everyone, I did manage to get a little bit of brom time this afternoon when we got home from shopping and I gave them all a spray with bloom booster.

Bree, the mix I was using was from Bunnings and it used to be called Brunnings Orchid and Bromeliad mix but is now called just Orchid mix and isn’t sold by Bunnings anymore but is available at Big W. I sometimes buy other Orchid mixes, Amgrow or Scotts, sometimes MiracleGrow and I use the same type of mix for all my broms, though I don’t have any dykias.

Bree, maybe your neo Gunpowder has had a little too much sun, I remember Nev saying he had broms that turned a lovely bright pink before burning. Is that one of the pups that I sent you?

Jean, I rather like your dykias but I have never grown them … they look like they grow pretty big. Do they colour up with good light.

Nev, I have never seen a pony tail with red flower spikes, that would be really nice. I have a few and some really huge ones which I planted in the garden when they outgrew their pots. A couple of them have bases well over a metre across. Unfortunately they all have cream flower spikes, but I like them anyway.

Nev, it would be fantastic if my Alc Imperialis Purpurea threw a variegated pup but I don’t think there’s much chance, but you never know.

Ian, nice broms you picked up at the market.

Trish, just a couple of days to go till the weekend is here again. Thanks for putting my name down for an Ae Rodco Inverta pup ... you must have my name written all over the place.

Anyway, catch up with everyone tomorrow,

Shirley

Pic 1 is vr Platynema Variegata, pic 2 is vr Platynema Rubra






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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 13, 2013
11:35 AM

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Jean- im not into Dykias much either i just have one but yours like great. I think brom's have the most innoying spikes, everytime i brush against one i come up in a red rash. I know i need sleeves.
Nev- thanks for the advise, ok your added to the list. May be a little while though as alot of my broms are just single plants.
Trish- Neo' 'Kismet' is pretty. Nice colours.
Shirley- thanks your probably right about Gunpowder burning, ive had all my broms out in more sun since the flood and as i repot them i move them back to there normal spot with more shade. Some its taking me a while. hehe! I'll finish today. I can't remember but i probably did get it from you.
I love these plants, do well in sun and grow fast. Alcantarea Imperialis rubra and a unknow one.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 13, 2013
1:47 PM

Post #9417955

Hi everyone – Another day spent potting seedlings yesterday but still there seems no end to it.

I'd like to send a “Get Well” wish to any one still on the sick list and also a “Where the Bloody Hell are You?” to those who were regulars and who we haven't seen for a while...Tash, Colleen, Jen etc. please drop in even if just to say g'day to let us know you're OK and weren't hit with the floods, bushfires or other nasties.

Breeindy – I can't help you much with a definite reason for the colour change in your plant of Neo 'Gunpowder' except to say that quite a lot of variegated plants are still inclined to be a bit “unstable” and changes do occur from time to time. Also there was once an article written in which the author was convinced that a “virus” was partly responsible for variegation in plants and I must say those unusual markings do have the look of a virus affected plant about them. Best to just wait and see what the new pups turn out like.

The plant in your second pic., is a cultivated variety (c.v.) of Ae. Nudicaulis and has been registered as 'Mary Hyde'. Because of this, the name should now just be shown as just Ae. 'Mary Hyde'. Apparently the rules say we now have to drop the “Nudicaulis” from the name and just use the registered name. To me that seems to just create more work when you want to know who the parent/s were as you have to look through the register to find out; whereas if the Nudicaulis was still written as well, you have it all there in front of you, but then I'm just a cranky old man!

I personally don't grow Dyckias, but I do have a few Neophytums and I just grow them in the same Pine bark based “Brunnings Orchid Potting Mix” that I grow my other plants in but with the addition of a bit of Perlite to open it up a bit. I have been told by other brom friends who grow Dyckias, that they do like a very open mix so the mix shown in your pic should be fine. You will find that there are as many different mixes as there are growers as everyone thinks theirs is best; I personally think brom's will grow in anything as long as it drains well and doesn't stay wet.

Looking at the two pic's of the Alcantareas you posted this morning and I really find that silvery powdery type of coating on the tops of the leaves on some of the red coloured ones most attractive and it seems like it's starting to form on your two plants as well.

Jean – Like you, I prefer to stay away from Dyckias as well as any other prickly plants, I'm even gradually getting rid of any Neo's with abnormally large prickles as well.

It's interesting to see the previous home of the Bill. Gerdas you sent me; you'll be pleased to know they seem to like their new home and are settling in and doing well adjusting.

Ian – Yes, I had a quick look on eBay also and saw some of the prices and like you Ian, they don't suit my budget either, but then I guess it's a case of supply and demand and anything new is going to be in short supply and everyone will want it, but give it another five years or so and usually we'll all be able to afford it.

The cross of Neo Smithii X Wilsoniana is interesting as both parents are species, however Neo. Smithii seems to have been very dominant having passed on its colour and leaving no trace of the plain light green coloured narrow leaves of the Wilsoniana. It will be interesting to see what colour the flowers are and whether it inherited the white flowers of Wilsoniana or the mauve ones of Smithii, or perhaps something in between?

Your Neo. 'Marble Throat' X 'Barbarian' No7 is quite unusual in its colouring. I have Neo. 'Barbarian' and quite a few of the different “marble throated” varieties and it never occurred to me to try crossing them. It seems to me that the 'Marble Throat' genes are stronger than those of 'Barbarian' as the “marbling” can be seen throughout the whole leaves but not the subtle markings of the 'Barbarian'.

Trish – There's no problem with the Neo. ‘Rose Blush’, I would never have expected to jump the queue in front of someone else, if and when you ever have another pup spare is fine.

It's interesting to see the reaction to brom's by your work colleagues, I remember when I saw my first one; it was an Ae. 'Fasciata' and it was mounted on a large piece of driftwood and growing with plants of Ae, 'Foster's Favourite'. They were grown by an orchid mate of many years and were hanging in a shady corner of his orchid house and I think it was the contrast of the silvery foliage of the Fasciata and the glowing iridescence of the Foster's Favourite berries that really caught my eye initially. When he told me what they were and that in nature, the water in the centre would combine with leaf litter and bird and small animal droppings to provide an ongoing source of food for the plant, I thought “what an amazing thing nature really is”. Then he showed me a large green frog that lived in the 'Fasciata' and said it was probably responsible for a good deal of the “droppings” that fed that particular plant. Just think that the plant provided the frog with a home in return for food from his droppings, what a great natural cycle. I immediately became interested in these plants and decided that I had to have one. Of course my mate obliged as we always swapped orchid plants and had done for years and very soon he presented me with a pup from that magnificent Ae. 'Fasciata' which is the original plant that all the Fasciatas around my yard originally came from.

To this day I have never seen Ae. Fasciata grown as well as Bob grew them, and he said his success was due to a teaspoon of brown vinegar in the vase of each plant monthly and then topped up with water; he said that's what the old bloke that gave him his first pups had told him and that's what he had done ever since. I did try it for a while but must admit I didn't persevere so I can't verify if it really does work as well as he said it did. He grew beautiful “Staghorns” as well and on some of them the “horns” were almost reaching down to the floor the plants were so large; the secret with these he said was plenty of regular watering and “old tea leaves” and banana skins thrown up into the back of these plants each few weeks to provide a bit of nourishment.

Sorry to have gotten side tracked and carried away reminiscing, now back to the present; as well as Neo. 'Kautskyi' being a self pollinator, the seed is very fertile as well and very easy to grow, and soon you'll have so many Kautskyi plants, you will have to mow them!

Shirley – I've since found out that the Pony Tail Palm also comes in a creamy pink colour as well as the creamy white and the red. There is Burke's Back Yard Fact Sheet at http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/factsheets/Trees-and-Palms/Ponytail-Plant/133 which shows a pic of a reddish one.

They're nice pic's of your Vr. Platynema Variagatas; it's a beautiful Vriesea species which has been used a lot in hybridising in the hope it will pass on the great leaf tip colours. There are some really beautiful clones around but I saw a pic of a really outstanding one that a brom mate used in a cross and if I can dig up the pic, I'll post it.

Back again (I had to duck out for a blood test) As usual a few pic's to finish with Pic.1 is Vr. 'French Quarter', Pic.2 is Vr.'Duvalis Rex' x Vr. 'Heiconoides', Pic.3 is the Vr. Platynema Variagata that I spoke of, Pic.4 is Vr. Carinata x Sucrei (note the delicate green petals on the flowers) Pic. 5 is 1st in a series of (4 pic's) and the title is, “Pilbara Toilet and what you don't need first thing in the morning”. (Second in the series tomorrow.)

All the best. Nev.

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 14, 2013
3:08 AM

Post #9418534

Hi Everyone!

One more day to go, weekends nearly here – yeah!

Happy Valentine’s Day Everyone!

Got a wonderful surprise in the mail today from Joe which was a Vriesea pup called ‘Iced VoVo’, I will have to post a picture on the weekend, she has such long slender leaves, I have not seen leaves so long on any of my vriesea’s like that before.

Hi Shirley, pleased to hear you got to spend a little bit of time with your broms this afternoon and gave them all a feed. I will be doing same on the weekend with my neo’s. Last week I fed my vrieseas and they really benefited from it.

Shirley I have your name written down in my brom note book for the following pups: Neo’ ‘Two Tone’, Neo’ ‘Margaret’, Neo’ ‘Catlans Leopard’, Ae. ‘Rodco Inverta’ and Neo’ ‘Rose Blush’. Have I missed any? By all means let me know if you think I have so I can update my records?

Shirley very nice pics you posted yesterday of your vrieseas, I have not seen Vr. Platynema Rubra before; it’s gorgeous colour makes me want a piece of my mums rhubarb pie because it looks that yummy.

Hi Bree I too like Alcantarea Imperialis Rubra, I only have the one brom but luv it and when I first purchased it came with some really small pups around the main pup which are still alive and growing slowly. Mines not in the sun but will have to try and introduce it to a bit more light as it is mainly green in colour.

Bree I am going to look at posting a parcel to you next week, I have your postal details so hope you will be around to receive parcel? If you are going away for some reason can you please let me know via DMail so I know when best to post?

Hi Nev it was great to hear how you’re interest first started in brom collecting. I can totally appreciate why you were fascinated by them, aside from their beauty what really intrigued me with them was how much frogs luved and adopted them and that pretty much made up my mind on collecting them aside from the fact that I was fascinated by them and had read a lot about them and the addiction grew from there. I get a lot of little green frogs in my broms as well as the cream coloured ones.

Nev, that’s a really nice pic you posted yesterday of your Vr. Platynema Variagata, so full of wonderful colour.

Anyway time to hit the sack. Sorry no pics tonight.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish
ianperry

February 14, 2013
3:26 AM

Post #9418543

Hi all, another day cloudy if not sprinkling and some scattered showers. It might not do much for the colour but the plants seem to be forging ahead. Mossies are keeping me away from some of my broms, just for today.
I got another arrival from ebay today, this time some seeds Alcantarea Heloise and then i went and bought another 4 plants from the same seller. That is my smoke money caught up with and now I need to save some for my bush house extensions.
I use a different mix for Crypts,1/3 eash potting mix, garden loam and pinebark For the others I am using the same mix, 50/50 pinebark and potting mix. I have only just started with Dyckias and need to watch them to see what they need, not what I want them to have. Once my seedlings go into 3" pots they get the same as for adult plants.
Nev I just gotta loveVr Platynema Varigata Pic3 and the monkey face in Pic 5 but would let others have the rest of what is attached. It would certainly be a wake up call tto see it.This hobby/addiction is a learning process. What is new next week.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 N spectabilis rubra with pups awaiting removal

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 14, 2013
5:18 AM

Post #9418611

Hi everyone, like Trish said, just one more day to the weekend … not that we have anything planned.

Bree, your alcantareas are a lovely colour, mine obviously need a bit more sun. I will have to start to acclimatise them as soon as it cools down a little.

WOW Nev, I hope my vr Platynema Variegata grows to look something like that one in your third pic.

Trish, I recall seeing a Vr Iced Vovo on eBay recently. I can’t picture it now but I do remember it being an absolute stunner … Lucky you. Trish, I don’t think there were any pups you have missed, thank you so much for putting my name down for all of those you mentioned.

Ian, it has just started to rain here in the last couple of minutes, and that’s because I was out watering the garden most of the afternoon. Ian, I think your smoke money is well spent on bromeliads … so much better for you but also addictive. I would love a pup from your neo spectabilis rubra if and when you get one spare, I wasn’t aware it was variegated ... I still have this thing for variegated broms. I am sure I must have something you would like in return.

My pics tonight are of some of my favourite variegated neos. Pic 1 neo Jaws, pic 2 neo Jaws Too, pic 3 neo Peggy Bailey, pic 4 is a NOID.

Bye for now, Shirley




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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 14, 2013
11:34 AM

Post #9419013

Hi everyone – I achieved nothing in the garden yesterday, as yesterday was my day in the gaol (office) at the Light Rail Museum and more boring bloody paper work and procedure writing; anyway, no more for another week.

Today I'll enjoy feeding my brom's instead, and doing some long overdue sorting out in preparation for my planned stock take so I can at last get all of my collection recorded - anyone volunteering for a job?

Trish – What a “romantic” Joe must be, a Valentine “pressie” in the mail; not red roses that will die in a week or two but a beautiful Vriesea that will give you years of endless joy.

Trish you say your Alcantarea has “really small pups around the main pup”. These are called “adventitious pups” or more commonly “grass pups”. Most Alcantarea growers now recommend taking these off when they are quite small and then potting them up and treating them as small seedlings. To give you some idea, I know that Rob Smythe from Townsville (who is somewhat of an expert on Alcantareas) takes them off when only about 1.5 inches high and once potted up on their own they just "take off"; they will grow much quicker if removed than if left on the plant where they sometimes eventually die. The other interesting thing is they will often form on a young plant but not always on an older plant. Care must be taken when removing these pups as they can easily be snapped off at the base. Rather than cutting them away from the parent, the trick is to gently “lever” them away so as to try and get some of the roots as well.

Incidentally, that pic I posted yesterday of the Vriesea 'Platynema Variegata' isn't of my plant but belongs to a “brom mate” who uses it in his breeding programme...I only wish it was mine.

Ian – You say, “Mossies are keeping me away from some of my brom's, just for today”. Have you tried the "Len Trotman Anti Mosquito Spray”?

Len Trotman is a life member of the NZ. Bromeliad Society and came up with the recipe several years ago and it's been successfully used by many brom growers (in Australia as well as New Zealand) ever since. I haven't used it myself as I don't have a problem with mossies , but I know of a few local growers who swear by it.
Find the recipe here: http://www.bsnz.org/articles/47-mosquitoes

Does your Neo. 'Spectabilis' show variegation on the top of the leaves as well as the underside? If so it is called Neo. Spectabilis 'Variegata' not Neo. Spectabilis 'Rubra'. These variegated plants come from the common form which is a “species” and has been in cultivation for years and years. It's a plant a lot of growers start off with and is often overlooked now as it is very common. When viewed from above it is pretty plain except for the bright coloured 'fingernails” on the leaf tips. If however it is grown in good light and hung from the shade house roof or a tree and viewed from below, everything looks much different. There are various shades of pink colours and horizontal "silvery" barring which makes it a much more attractive subject.

Shirley – What a beautiful lot of variegated plants you've shown in your pic's today. I don't have any of these in my collection. I know of the first two but not the second two, so any time you get a spare pup from any of them you would like to swap, please keep me in mind.

Incidentally, I've noticed a small percentage of growers (including professional growers) who turn their collective noses up when the word NOID is mentioned; I don't know why, in my opinion, the NOID in your last pic could hold its own with any variegated plant. After all, isn't a NOID just a bromeliad “orphan” who doesn't know its parents? We don't treat human orphans with distaste so why should we treat brom orphans any differently?

There's an interesting article well worth reading about Neo. 'Jaws' and the other cultivated varieties from that particular cross made by Chester Skotak which can be found at:
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=5083#5083

Now for a few pic's to finish off with. Pic.1 is Neo. 'Nivea', this plant is a Neo. species from Brazil and has the unusual attribute of the centre being all white in colour, it's worth having in your collections as it is something a bit different and is an easy grower. Pic. 2 is Vriesea 'Elfie' which is from a crossing of Vr. Viminalis Rex x Vr. Gigantea. It is a tallish plant with the inflorescence reaching 30” in height and has an unusual "colour contrast" with the bracts being a chocolate/burgundy colour and the petals ranging from pale lime to light yellow. Pic 3 show the flower of Vr. 'Elfie' in close-up. Pic.4 is an attractive little Neo. called 'Strawberry Cup' which although only a small grower, does grow reasonably fast. Finally Pic.5 which is the second step in a series of 4. The caption says “I think I'll try and hide up under the rim of the toilet bowl”. What would you do if confronted with this situation?” The next step will be shown tomorrow.

All the best, Nev

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 14, 2013
1:48 PM

Post #9419125

Nev, I would close the lid and flush it! heh heh
hello all, where does the time go.
I'm back now, and as some of you know, and some don't, I have been caravaning around NSW and VIC for the last 5 weeks. I didn't want to broadcast it to the WWW, so kept up appearances of being around. Sneaky eh?
Anyway, I got home wednesday to fabulously long grass, weeds galore and quite a few rotted out broms! Ah well, at least I will be busy and not bored.
I had a house sitter who tried his best to keep up with the mowing, but apparently it has rained quite a bit, and has been raining since I've been home too. The rotted broms were on the floor of the shade house, and I suspect got a dose of Phytopthora through the ground water, as it was very mushy beneath the weed mat! I remove all rotting and damaged plants, then used upsidedown trays to put some distance between the pots and the floor, and we will see how it goes. I've also noticed an outbreak of mealy bug on some potted palms, and an awfull lot of grass hoppers in the long grass, so some pest control will be a top priority. Its an eye opener as to how much a practised eye can prevent problems. My poor house sitter just didn't have the knowledge.
Anyway, I will be busy trying to tidy up some plants for a sale next weekend, and then will be doing a mass pup removal. I am thinking of making up some mixed brom boxes and seeing if I can flog them on Ebay. It will all depend on how many i can get in the boxes I have, and how much the postage will be, as if it gets too pricey, I can't imagine getting much interest. I haven't watched Ebay for some time, so will have to do my homework and see how much things are going for.
Nev, my Acanthostachys pitcairniodes flowered while I was away, and I missed it! I remember the photo you showed me in the past, so I know what it would have looked like, but its not the same. I also missed Puya miribalis flowering, but have had it flower before, so no drama there. Tillandsia 'Creation' is flowering, as is Aechmea 'Freckles' which I hadn't seen the flower for, so there is plenty for me to 'oooh and ahh' over.
Trish, Neo. 'Kismet' is just so nice. I can't wait till they are ready. I know how you feel about meeting someone who has the same addiction. It is nice to actually have a spoken conversation about it, and to go brom shopping with another addict is also fun, unless they want the same plant you have your eye on! heh heh
Shirley, I think that stripe in your Alc is worth keeping an eye on, as it looks like variegation, more so than viral. You will know if the stripe continues into the next layer of leaves.
Ian, I agree with Shirley that your smoke money is well spent! I am sorely short of funds at present, since Xmas, holidaying and no sales so am in no position to buy anything for anything, how ever I did get some Bunnings vouchers for Xmas, so will sort out a priority list and go shopping next week.
Bree, I think the markings on your N. 'Gunpowder' are burn, also. I call that bleaching, and then it dries out and goes brown. Nevermind, there will always be pups.
ok, better add some current pics.
photo one is accross the sales table
Photo two is the flower of Aechmea correia-araujoi, which is a similar plant to A. orlandiana
photo three is Tillandsia 'Creation'
photo four is Aechmea faciata variegated in flower, but I almost missed it! Now this one had a pup, and I don't know if I removed it, because I can't find it, despite having searched for an hour yesterday, in case I had potted it. Its a mystery! (I hope I've just had a nanny moment)
Photo five is amazing. I waited so long for Vriesea ospinae to flower, which it did late last year, and now it has pupped and flowered again in ver quick succession!
well, better get my pooches breakfast out to them and the get on with my busy friday.
Hello to all and sorry if i haven't responded to everything I'd like too, but hopefully, now that I am back and able to read and reply daily, i will have the time.
Sue

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 15, 2013
2:42 AM

Post #9419564

Hi all, here we are at the end of another week. We will be having a very quiet couple of days as showers are predicted for the weekend and Michael has a ‘man cold’ so I will have to be ‘nurse Shirley’ for a few days. We have had showers on and off all day today as well.

Nev, I didn’t realise that grass pups could be removed from alcantareas when they are so small, I was told they should be at least ‘finger size’ in thickness before removing them. I might try to remove and pot up some of the smaller ones and see how they go. What sort of mix would you plant them in when they are so small.

Nev, I will put your name against the four variegated neos in my last night’s post. Your neo Nivea is unusual, perhaps you could put my name against that one for a pup, please.

Ian, after reading Nev’s post relating to your neo Spectabilis Rubra, I realised that I probably already have the same one, if yours is in fact, neo Spectabilis Variegata. I purchased it under the name neo Jaffa, but I’m sure it’s the same. What I will have to do though, is hang it from the shadehouse roof as Nev suggests. I had never really taken a good look at the underside of neo Jaffa but it certainly does look better from below. I will post a pic of my neo Jaffa, it’s not a very good pic but you should be able to tell if it’s the same as your neo, Ian.

Sue, glad you’re back safe, hope you had a really great trip. You will have to post some pics taken on your travels.

Sue, what is the name of the aechmea in the bottom left corner of your sales table in pic 1 ... it looks very nice, do you have any pups of that one available? I love your Ae Fasciata variegate, has to be one of the nicest of all the aechmeas.

Hi to Wendy, Trish, Jen, Jean, Bree and Kristi … also Colleen, Karen and Tash who we haven’t heard from for ages … hope I haven’t left anyone out, if so, my apologies.

Hope to catch up again tomorrow, Shirley

Pic 1 is neo Jaffa, for Ian, pics 2, 3, 4 and 5 are more variegated neos, Ink Well, Kiwi Megan, Bruiser and Mauve Star


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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 15, 2013
5:47 AM

Post #9419661

Hi Everyone!

Yeah the weekend is finally here – hooray!!!

Hi Ian cute pups of Neo’ ‘Spectabilis Rubra’. We are also getting some rain, mainly during the night though but at my work we have been getting a bit during the day which has been nice so I have been taking my “Brom of the Week” out into the rain for a bit of soak.

Hi Shirley pleased to hear I have kept a good record of the broms pups you are keen on, I would be lost without it written in my brom notes book.

Shirley I will take a pic of Vr. “Iced VoVo” over the weekend, her lower leaves were very droopy when I got her and they had not bounced back at all but the rest of her leaves have rehydrated thankfully. This evening I cut off the droopy leaves as I plan to pot her up tomorrow and wanted her to sit neat and tidy in her pot. I do this with all my vrieseas once I have given them a good soak, if the lower leaves droop too low I cut them back, but this really depends on how many good leaves remain; sometimes there is not enough of them to be able to do so, so I usually just let them grow another new set of leaves first before cutting any off.

Shirley I can totally appreciate and agree why all of those Neo’ pics you posted are all of your variegated favourites, they are totally amazing! I really liked your Pic 3 of Neo’ ‘Peggy Bailey’, I have never heard of this one before so naturally this one intrigued me plus the fact that I enjoy drinking Bailey’s Irish Cream like you do LOL. I have a Neo’ called ‘Southern Comfort’ that I brought because of its name and its color, it so reminds me of the most favourite spirit I enjoy drinking with ice and dry ginger ale. I wonder what your NOID is?

Hi Nev, yeah Joe is a bit of a “romantic”, he knows how much I adore Broms and has good taste, although sometimes his taste is for the expensive ones and this freaks me out because I am more reserved and tend to go for the value for money ones. To me they are all just as beautiful no matter the value, what’s important is that you adore the look of what you purchase or save from the rubbish dump and collect the ones that intrigue you.

Nev thanks for the great advice regarding my Alcantarea “grass pups”, I will try and separate them gently as I think they are big enough to do so. I would not have known if you had not let me know so thanks for steering me in the right direction to hopefully growing more of these that I can pot up and enjoy in our garden.

Nev great brom pics you posted, especially liked Pic 1 ‘Nivea’, what a pretty brom. I can’t wait to see “The next step” with the snake Pic 4 series posted, that looks like a really big, bad snake, what type of snake is it “Cobra”? It looks awfully venomous and not something you would want to sit on while trying to do your business LOL.

Hi Sue glad to hear you had a great time away and getting stuck back into the garden chores, some more enjoyable than others especially when they are brom related chores. We too are getting a lot of Mealy Bug and Grass Hoppers around the garden, I have been spraying the Mealy Bugs with the diluted Metho mix I use mainly on some of our Gardineas and Hibiscus plants and this has been keeping them at bay well. I find the occasional Mealy Bug on maybe one or two broms at the most so I’m not concerned. Grass Hopper numbers are also down since keeping the lawn tidy and on the odd occasion still ripping their heads off any I find in the veggie or herb patch. They are not chewing on my broms which is great.

Sue luved all the brom pics you posted, what a wonderful combination of magical colour, I hope all goes great with your up-and-coming brom sale so you can go shopping for even more broms. Sounds like a great idea what you are proposing to do on EBay with boxing some up to sell, I will have to keep a look out to see what will be up for sale.

Anyway time for bed. Sorry no pics tonight, I will take some fresh pics tomorrow to post over the weekend.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 15, 2013
12:45 PM

Post #9420049

Hi everyone – Here we are again, another weekend closer to Easter, gee it won't be long until it's Christmas again will it?

What's that they say about the “best made plans of mice and men”? With all of my good intentions yesterday I didn't end up getting much sorting out done and certainly no feeding as it drizzled here for most of the day. I did manage to re-pot six of the better coloured Ae 'Forest Fire' seedling that I kept and plan on putting them in a messy garden down the back (If I ever get it tidied up that is).

Sue – Well at last “The Happy Wanderers” have returned, it's really great to see you're back, we've missed your posts very much. It seems like you covered a few miles on your journey, the main thing though is, did you enjoy it? Did you happen to get to “Collector's Corner” while you were in Victoria? I hear that's a pretty good brom nursery with heaps of Tillandsias if that's your thing.

Just to get the records straight, they did try to flush the snake out of the loo but that didn't work; I'll show you how they got it out tomorrow.

Now your back and the work starts. I think even without all of the rain you had in your area, February is the worst month of the year for rot in both Brom's and orchids and I don't think you'll be on your own with a few rotted plants up there in your area where it's a bit warmer.

I don't think you missed too much by not seeing your Acanthostachys pitcairniodes in flower. It's nothing to write home about and more of botanical interest than anything else, although it is different, and boy oh boy those spikes! Anyway, your Tillandsia 'Creation' more than makes up for the ones you missed seeing.

Shirley – It looks like you're copping the rain they had forecast for the whole week down here but didn't arrive until a bit of “drizzle” yesterday. I always try to have some inside work to be done in these situations, things like a bit of re-potting, making wire droppers for my plant hangers or cutting up name tags from old Venetian blind slats. If it does happen that I have nothing to do, well then it's my wife's suggestion of “clean up the garage so I can put my car back inside”.

Getting back to our discussion about Alcantarea “grass pups” yesterday, let me hasten to add that I haven't grown any of the tiny ones I mentioned. I only have two Alantareas as I just don't have the space for any more. I do have friends down here that can grow them from that size though so I know that it is possible, and should be much easier for growers like yourself further north where it is warmer. As for the type of mix, I don't grow them so I can't really say but I was told they should be treated as seedlings so I expect any mix that small seedling would grow in would suffice as long as it drains well. Perhaps it may work if you sieve out some of the smaller particles from a mix you would grow the bigger plants in and use that.

I'll send a pic in a second post which is one I took of a batch of these small grass pups as they arrived in the mail. To put it all in size perspective, the smallest ones are in cut off pieces of normal “drinking straws”. At the time of their arrival, I was acting as the co-ordinator of an “Alcantarea Study Group” and was responsible for the re-distribution of these grass pups to other members of the south coast group and I can tell you from “feedback” that all of the pups pictured grew and there were no losses. That's not a bad result as one of our members lives on the far south coast down past Bateman's Bay and he gets terrific frosts in his area and very low winter temperatures.

As usual, you've posted some great pictures and I see you're a fan of Chester Skotak or more precisely his hybrids. Neo's 'Inkwell', 'Bruiser' and 'Mauve Star' are al results of his great work and will colour up a lot more as they mature.

You've all heard me “banging on” frequently about how we shouldn't rely entirely on photographs to identify plants from and to prove my point go to:
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=5017#5017

Look at the two pictures of Neo 'Inkwell'. The first was taken by Chester Skotak (the hybridiser) and the second by Michael Andreas who is a grower of international fame and was the official photographer of the 15th World Bromeliad Conference in Florida in 2002 where that pic was taken. What I'm trying to say is that both growers really know what they are talking about and there's no doubt that both of these plants are what they say they are, Neo. 'Inkwell'; but to look at them one could be forgiven for thinking they are both totally different hybrids.

Shirley, there's no problem getting you a bit of Neo 'Nivea' and perhaps you could add Neo 'Inkwell' to my “wish list” as well for when ever you get a spare pup you want to swap/sell.

While I was looking through the BCR looking for some of the plants mentioned above I found a Neoregelia which has been named Neo 'Jacob Koning' after the man we all know as “Jack” Koning from Port Macquarie who is a hybridiser who specialises in patterned foliage Vrieseas.

This beautiful Neo was bred by Sathitvong Chayangsu a well know hybridiser in Thailand and who has registered it to honour a fellow “well known” hybridiser for all of the great work he has done. This beautiful plant with it's multiple”stacked” beautifully marked leaves and perfect form, show just what can be done with two well known and “easy to get” parents, which are both widely grown plants in Australia.

It results from Neo. 'Lambert's Pride” x Neo.'Fall in Love', no doubt some of you even have them in your collections already; I know Lambert's Pride is one of my favourites which I've posted pic's of on here on several occasions and just as a coincidence I have some seed planted from a cross I did with it just last year, so from now on it's “fingers crossed”.

To see the pic's of this beautiful plant go to :
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=10983#10983 or you can also look at the pic's on the FCBS Photo Index after going to: http://fcbs.org/pictures.htm

Trish – Reading what you had to say about Shirley's Neo. 'Peggy Bailey' and your Neo. 'Southern Comfort', maybe we should call the NOID Neo. 'XXXX' , Neo. 'V.B.' or Neo. 'Toohey's New', just for the “boys”.

Pleased to hear that you can make use of the tips about the Alcantareas; from what I've heard from others, they are pretty easy to grow, especially in Queensland where it's a warmer climate.

Trish you say that the leaves on your plant of Vr. 'Iced VoVo' were “droopy” and dehydrated when you received it. Did you try soaking it in the “Magic Potion”? This is one I first hear of from Jack Koning a long time ago and have been using it with good results ever since.

Bare-rooted plants will sometimes appear wrinkled and mis-shaped when first unpacked (like a butterfly when it first comes out of its cocoon) This is because they have been confined in an unnatural position and lost some of their fluid content due to dehydration. (No opportunity to absorb moisture from circulating air) This often happens no matter how carefully they were packed especially with softer leaf plants which suffer the most.

When you first take your plants out of their box, lay them on a flat surface in the shade and give a good gentle hosing to completely wet the plants.

Take a cup of raw sugar and dissolve it in a bucket of tap water and give your plant/s a good dunking to ensure the leaves have been saturated with this liquid and that the well in the centre of the plant is full of the liquid also. Then stand upright in the bucket all day or even over night, occasionally re-dunking the whole plant again a couple of times throughout the day.

The next day, carefully examine the plants for insects or signs of disease and if apparent treat as required. If clean, then plant, pot or mount them and give a thorough watering and place in a shady location.

That's it for today. A few more pic's to finish with Pic 1 is a bi-generic, it's a cross between a Vriesea and a Tillandsia called Vrieslandsia 'Van Bella', so far the inflorescence is looking promising with its nice dark colouring, but I'll wait until it flowers before I really decide if I like it or not. Pic. 2 is Neo 'Ivan' (Unreg.) another variegated plant but a little different in colour than most. Pic.3 is a “mini” called Neo 'Ladd's Gem'. Pic. 4 is Bill. 'Curly Top' (showing a bit of spotting from the cold winter we had here last year) and we finish with Pic.5 with the caption of “Now they can't see me, or can they?”...One more to come tomorrow.

All the best, Nev.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 15, 2013
12:52 PM

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Hi again - This is the other Pic. I spoke of to Shirley but unfortunately couldn't fit in the previous post.

This is a pic of the Alcantarea "grass pups" as I received them.

To put it all in size perspective, the smallest ones are in cut off pieces of normal plastic “drinking straws”. Even at those small sizes, they all grew so there's no reason to wait until they get big, especially you growers who live in the warmer climates.

All the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 15, 2013
4:37 PM

Post #9420285

Hello everyone.
You were talking about alcantereas. I have pup I took from my large alcanterea rubra, last year.
It is growing well and I see there is another one on the mum.
I moved the mum from the back of the shadehouse to out in the open part where she can see more of the sun .
I am hoping she will get a bit more color then.

Nev, you have me checking the little girls room now.
I am sure I wont ever find anything hiding like that snake, but you never know.
We did get a large Tiger in the laundry , late one night, a couple of years ago. It was not funny at the time but later, we had a good giggle over the vision of two half naked oldies trying to convince a very annoyed snake to depart for parts unknown.

I took a few more pics of some of the broms. I am expecting some next week so will show them when they arrive.

Jean..


pic 1...alcanterea rubra

pic 2...alcantrea rubra pup

pic 3...aech. orlandiana with pup. This one is outside in all weather.

pic 4...neo Midnight

pic 5...neo Nivea ( I always thought the name nivea meant the pretty white/pink flower )


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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 15, 2013
6:35 PM

Post #9420413

Love Midnight Jean. Trish- i don't go anywhere, im always at home. Thats how i like it too. Thanks for the potting advise Ian, ive heard Crypts like a finer mix like a mix of peat moss or coco coir, potting mix and small bark? and ive been treating my Dykia as a succulent and potting it in a potting mix and sand mix. ? Shirley ok i shouldnt have said im sick of varigated broms, the lot you posted are very nice esp. that NOID one. Hi Sue i was wondering why you hadnt been posting as much. Nev- i might have to do what you advised and remove my Alcantrea grass pup, your right it hasnt grown any since i got it but the mother def. has alot.
These Broms are still abit squashed from the post, just potted them up. Hi to everyone else!!! Raining here on and off, is quite innoying when your outside and are running in and going back out all day because of the down pours.
1. Hot August Night 2. Gold Explosion 3. Dark Star 4. Stom Warning 5. Sacred Dancer

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 15, 2013
6:44 PM

Post #9420427

1. Heres my little Medusa it was hiding in a pot with some other broms so now i potted it up in a seperate pot.
2. Jean love Orlandiana, heres mine all outside and in pretty much full sun.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 15, 2013
10:38 PM

Post #9420550

hello all
Nurse Shirley, I hope your hubby recovers soon! The dreaded man flu! I hope it doesn't spread to my hubby! In regard to your question about Alcantarea grass pup needs, a normal potting mix should suffice. Alcantareas and vrieseas seem to do quite well in standard potting mixs, and have quite a large root system. Also, a fortnightly feed, in the warmer months, of half strength liquid fert (like thrive or aquasol) will see them power on. I've removed grassies as small as an inch, and they have survived, although they are slower to grow. Sometimes i will pick a few oof, then place them back into the axil of the parents leaves and they get roots. I also drop other pups in the Alcantarea leaf axils as well, as it seems to be an ideal striking method, and saves room.
As for the name of that Aechmea, your guess is as good as mine, but I 'think' it might be A. 'Little Harv'? but will have to ask someone who is familiar with it. I'll have a look around and see if I have any pups. I bought a labelled one some time back, and it has a pup, but hasn't flowered yet, so I'm not sure if they are the same.
I am a fan of the variegated Neos too, and love all the ones posted recently.
Trish, thanks for your well wishes for my sales.
I have done all the mowing, so have done my bit to prevent the grass hoppers, and the butcher birds were swooping down behind me, picking up whatever jumped in the cut grass. I am almost back on top of the yard, although the bromeliad garden up the back is sorely in need of a tidy up. I got most of it done about two months ago, but its right back where it started, with branches and leaves all over it! Doh!
Nev, hush your mouth! Xmas! Easter! I don't even want to think about it! I went to Bunnings this morning to spend some money off a voucher, and for change they gave me a $10 voucher, with 'happy Mothers day' on it! Thats 3 months away yet!
I only went to one nursery on my whole trip. It was at the Lakes Entrance in VIC, out the back of an Antique shop, come tea house. They had a couple of broms for $25, which were quite nice flowering Guzmanias at their best, and a couple of those NOID red Neos with the green flecks. Other than that, I avoided plants altogether, as I know I wouldn't be able to bring any home. I did get a very small peice of a succulent from a swap meet in Bathurst, and am nursing it on.
I like your neo. 'Ivan' and its unusual colouring reminds me of a Neo called 'Downs Autumn' which I believe is also unregistered?
Jean, you will find if you put your Alcantarea Mum out in the sun in winter, thats when it will get some good colouring. Its also a good time of year to acclimatise broms to full sun. I have a heap of Aechmea blanchettianas that are awaiting the winter sun.
Neo. 'Midnight' is one of my favourites, and I have always admired N. nivea also. I have one called N. 'Raincloud' that faded from a purple to white after flowering, but I have lost track of it these days. I guess i will find it when it flowers, as it is plain green most of the time.
Bree, you have some nice plants there. Number two looks very similar to N. 'jewellery Shop' it has nice colour in it, as does number five. I hope you get a break in the rain, as I can sympathise with you. Its on and off here since I've been home and makes it hard to do anything outside, not to mention doing the laundry!
Oh well, lets see what photos I have for you from yesterday.
Photo one is a close up of the flower on the Aechmea you liked, Nurse Shirley. Does anyone know if its A. 'Little Harv'?
Photo two is an Aechmea i wanted an ID for awhile back, but the flower wasn't fully out. As you can see it has a dark red underside to the leaf.
Photo three is a close up of the mature flower spike.
photo four is a dead tray, used to be V. guttata!
Sue

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ianperry

February 16, 2013
1:54 AM

Post #9420615

Hi all, it's still showering here on and off, enough to scare the mossies away and wet enough to keep me away from most of my plants. I potted up some and then some and then some more and then hung them on a wall. I actually made some space and tomorrow I will make some more. I have too many of a common Ae that won't sell anyway. This was my first experiment and I found out how many fill a takeaway container and did about 7. 1 would have been enough and that would probibly have given me about 100 plants and that is still too many in reality.
I found a N fosperior ? that was flowering today and went looking for another flower to see if I could get a deliberate fertilisation and could only fing Bil Halleujah to try with. Problem my eyes would not let me see what i was trying to do, maybe I will be able to see more clearly tomorrow. I hope so, if not then I just might have to get professional help. I can not afford to muck around with my eyes.
I wish the rain would stop long enough to mow the grass, then I might be able to see the grasshoppers here. I know I have them here but have not seen much damage.Maybe they are staying in the grass.
Speaking of which grasses on broms, interestingly Nev has one of the first ones I toyed with, sure it was a good one and 1 of a dozen I took off Vr Glutinosa just as i was getting serious with Broms.I then started asking questions and the answers led me to leave them on the broms. Now I hear that what I did was correct so it is a confusing world after all. I should have gone with my gut feeling, if it works keep doing it.
Shirls I think we have the same plant and both had the wrong name.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Alcantarea regina alba grasses
Pic 2 Bil Halleujah flower today 16-02-2013
Pic 3 Bil Mueiel waterman

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February 16, 2013
2:48 AM

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Phic 1 Bil halleujah and N fosperior

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 16, 2013
2:48 AM

Post #9420624

Hi everyone, we’ve had rain on and off here for most of the day. We still have so much clearing up to do but it will still be there next week, I guess.

Trish, looking forward to seeing the pic of your Vr Iced Vovo. I keep a record of brom pups that other members would like on my computer. I should keep a hard copy as when my computer crashed last year, I lost the record. Trouble is, I would lose a hard copy a whole lot quicker, especially if I put it in a ‘safe’ place.

Nev, I am amazed at the size of some of those Alcantarea grass pups in your pic ... they are so small. I did take a look at the two pics of neo Inkwell, they certainly look like diffrerent plants. I will put your name against neo Inkwell, Nev and you can place mine against neos Ivan and Ladd’s Gem, if you don’t mind, for whenever you get a spare pup. Nev, that neo ‘Jacob Koning’ that you provided the link for is certainly a winner, I wonder how long it will be before they are available locally.

Jean, I have never had a grass pup on my alc imperialis rubra or imperialis silver plum. In fact, the only ones I have ever taken them from are alc Extensa and alc Glaziouana and none of them have grown much since I removed them. I had a chuckle at your description “two half naked oldies trying to convince a very annoyed snake to depart for parts unknown”.

Bree, while I love the variegated neos, I think my all time favourite neo (in my collection that is) would have to be neo Manoa Beauty followed closely by neo Enchantment.

Just out of curiousity … a question for everyone … which is your personal favourite in your neo collection ?

Sue, thanks for the photo of the aechmea flower close up, it’s very pretty. I don’t know much about aechmeas Sue, so I can’t ID either of the ones in your pics. I am starting to get a few in my collection lately. There’s one or two I fancy on eBay at the moment, Ae Roberto Menescal … a mere $250 and Ae Samurai, a cultivar of Chantinii, much cheaper at $90.00 but still way above my budget.

Michael is much better today Sue, thanks. At least we know that if he passes it on it me, I won’t be nearly as sick as he has been … sorry guys !! Thanks for the hint of placing pups in the Alc leaf axils, Sue, I’ll definitely have to try that. And what a shame about your tray of Vr Guttata.

I bought my first non-foliage vriesea today. Normally I go for the patterned leaf varieties because they look good all year round but this one caught my eye with its spectacular flower. The plant itself is huge and the flower spike really is stunning. It stands a little over 5 foot tall from the base of the pot to the tip of the flower … I’ll post a pic (or four). I don’t know its’ name as it was labelled just ‘bromeliad species’, so it would be great if anyone can ID it.

Pics are of my new vriesea

Ian, you posted while I was copying and pasting my post from Word to DG. How long have you been having trouble with your eyesight … like you said, you cannot afford to muck around with your eyes.

My vriesea Glutinosa has lots of grass pups, some of them quite large, as I have never removed them and it also has several pups growing out of the top as well. I will try to remember to get a photo tomorrow.

Bye for now, Shirley

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 16, 2013
1:23 PM

Post #9421109

Hi everyone – Well here we are in the second half of the weekend and it will soon be a new week and back to work for some (fortunately not me)

Jean – I wish I'd been in your laundry with a video camera, the video tape would have made great viewing... but in all seriousness, a Tiger Snake in your laundry could have been quite nasty had you trod on it.

That's a nice looking dark coloured Ae. Orlandiana in your pic. They are very tough and will withstand most types of weather and also do very well as a mounted plant.

Breeindy – Nice pic's you've posted once again I especially like Neo. 'Gold Explosion' and Neo. 'Sacred Dancer', so I looked them up on the BCR and found they are both hybrids of Margaret and Bill Patterson from Queensland. What I found very interesting though, was that they are both from the same cross of Neo. Jewellery Shop x Neo. Gespacho. Your plant in Pic.3 pic is an Alan Freeman hybrid; he's another well know Queensland hybridiser and this plant will colour up a lot more than what we see at present. That's a nice trio of Ae. Orlandianas you have there also; the colour combinations of these plants are nothing short of amazing and very much influenced by the degree of light they are grown under.

Sue – I used to have Ae Little Harv but don't any more but one of the main distinguishing features of it is that it is very heavily coated with scurf (see Pic.2 ) and Pic.1 shows the flowers if that's any help in comparing to your plant for ID.

After I posted the pic of Neo 'Ivan' yesterday I went to check the name tag to see where I got it from and wouldn't you know it, it's one of probably only two or three which I didn't write out a new tag for, along with the history of the plant on the back. I'll have to check back through my records of swaps to see where it came from and possibly even someone from here.

Sue, if you've lost your Neo.'Rain Cloud' let me know and I can give you a pup as the one you sent me has a couple of pups on it I'm sure., (I know it came from you as I did manage to write the particulars on this name tag). Your comments about Breeindy's plants in Pic's.2 and 5 were “spot on” (See my comments above to Breeindy).

Sorry I can't help with the ID of your plant in Pic's 2 and 3 either, I seem to remember when you previously posted a pic of it that I thought it was Ae. Ramosa 'Festiva”, but then I didn't know that it had white flowers which changes everything as the flowers on my Ae. Ramosa 'Festiva” are pale mauve. You didn't tell us what happened to the tray of dead Vr. Guttatas, were they victims of the floods while you were away? (I have spare pups of [a not real good clone] of Vr. Guttata and if you want a pup you're more than welcome to one of these too)

Ian – If you're having trouble with your vision, don't muck around and put off doing something about it, get them checked out immediately. There's so much that can be done fore eye problems these days if the problem's caught in the early stages but the longer you put it off the less chance of a successful treatment outcome. It's definitely not a case of “she'll be right mate”!

I think the Bill you have in your pic's named as Bill. Hallelujah could be Bill Hoelscheriana or Bill De Nada. Bill Hallelujah has much more definitive marking and spotting is more exaggerated.. (See my Pic's 3 and 4 for comparison)

As for the Vr. Glutinosa “grassie” you sent me, it's really taking off now an since then I have inherited six more “grassies”, this time of the variegated form of Glutinosa. They were pretty rough when they were given to me but when they get going I'll get one off to you if you want.
What you say is very true, we should always stick to doing what works for us. True we learn all sorts of tips from other growers, but in the end it all depends on our own growing conditions within our own environment whether they work or not.

Shirley – I've put your name down for the plants you wanted, but you'll have to wait a bit for the Neo. 'Ladd's Gem' and the Neo 'Ivan' (unreg.) as I've only had them a short time. As for the Neo. 'Jakob Koning', I don't know if it's even in Australia yet as it was bred in Thailand.

Answering your question about what my favourite Neo. is, I have a lot of favourites, but the most fovourite would have to be an “oldie” but still a “goodie” and that is a Neo 'Gold Fever' when grown in strong light.

A little message for Michael: “Get well quick mate or all of these girls will start giving you a hard time”... the things us blokes have to put up with!

I love the pic's of you new acquisition, I think it's fabulous; as for a name, I can't help you but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be not a Vriesea at all, but one of the many Vrieslandsias (Vriesea x Tillandsia bi-generic crosses), there's just something about it that makes me think this way. Can you please post a pic. of the flowers when they come out as I'm curious to know if they'll be yellow or orange. Whatever it is, it's a beautiful plant, and I'd certainly be interested in a pup when ever you get a spare. (there's nothing like getting in early is there?)

Now to finish with a few pic's once again. Pic's 1 (Flowers) and 2 (Foliage) of Aechmea 'Little Harv' for Sue to help with her search for an ID for her plant. Pic's 3 and 4 are Bill.'Hallelujah' plants grown in high light and low light for comparison with the pic Ian posted of his plant.

Finally Pic 5; At last the man of the house comes to the rescue, and after unsuccessfully trying to hook the snake out with a bit of fencing wire (on the floor) he finally solves the problem in a more direct manner.

All the best, Nev

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ianperry

February 17, 2013
1:44 AM

Post #9421563

Hi all, rained a lot today but in betwwe showers i mowed some of the grass, nearly lost the mower in it. I culled nearly 500 seedlings all of 1 type and know that I did the right thing. They were a common Ae grey green leaf about 1 metre tall. Not a plant for everyone so I won't waste my time with them. They are in the compost bin, mix and all. I potted a few seedlings of other types and generally had a day of relaxation.
Nev, when I looked up my Bil it is a Bil De Nada, I got it from Dalby last trip down but saw it in August and then it was Not for sale in a nursery. It was growing in a very shaded area and has only had 6 weeks of reasonable light, soon I plan to give it more light. I would like a Vr Glutinosa var when it is ready, thanks.
As for my sight it has beenreducing since I got new glasses, but the glasses are better than the old ones. My eyes water a lot and this could be work induced as I do a fair amount of welding. I have a reasonable helmet but I am looking for a better one or a better way of building up the wheels, maybe submerged arc welding, if we can find aproceedure and hardness that will satisfy our customer. I plan on getting to the Doctor this week.
Shirley I don't know what my favourite Neo is as it changes week to week Treasure chest or Grace Xpassion.
Have a good one
Ian.
pic1 Neo Garnish mother and pup
Pic 2 Ian went potty with Acanthostaccys Stobilla seedlings, now to harden them off.

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 17, 2013
1:45 AM

Post #9421564

Hi Everyone!

Well Saturday was a right off as we had another birthday to go to. Today was spent potting up new purchases and splitting and potting up pups so I was very pleased I got some brom time in. It’s raining right now and the smell is drifting through the house, gotta luv that smell.

Hi Nev too funny what you say about naming some NOIDS after beers for the Boys. My favourite beer is VB (I know – what the?), but I like it because it tastes sweeter than other beers and have drunk it ever since I can remember, but back in the days when I was "not sensible" I used to be able to “Shot Gun” 4 x Cans in a row without spilling a drop and my friend could “Shot Gun” 5 x Cans in a row. Ah to be that young and stupid again LOL.

I did not get around to separating and potting up the Alcantareas seedlings but hopefully next weekend I will have a bit more time up my sleeve? My grass pups are about the size of the one’s you packed in the larger straws/tube.

Thanks Nev I did soak Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’ in the “Magic Potion”, it helped some but I think some of the leaves were just too far gone so I cut them off. I have been using this method since you kindly passed it on through this forum and reckon it works a treat. Thanks once again Nev.

Nev really liked the following pics you posted on 15/2 Pic 2 Neo’ ‘Ivan’ and Pic 2 Neo’ ‘Ladd’s Gem’. They look great side by side in the photos. That snake for its size did a great job trying to hide don’t you think? That last pic from the snake series had me in hysterics, that’s one way of getting rid of a venomous snake, I hope they had a second toilet in the house available to use? I wonder if Jean did the same to her laundry with the Tiger snake LOL.

Hi Jean really liked the following pics you posted on 15/2 Pic 4 Neo’ ‘Midnight’ and Pic 5 Neo’ ‘Nivea’. I have Midnight and adore it because it is just so different.

Jean a Tiger in your laundry, it would not have been pleased to see you both standing there half clothed and lucky it did not come for one of you because they can be quiet aggressive especially when they are cornered. What a great memory to retell and laugh about, I luv hearing those types of story's.

Hi Bree one thing I was pleased to accomplish today was to get a parcel ready for you that I will post to you tomorrow – yeah! I hope you like the broms I have chosen for you, I wish that more pups were ready so I could have posted some others also but unfortunately they are too small to take off mum yet. Do you have a pup of Neo' Manoas Beauty', if not let me know and I will send you one next time?

Bree I really liked the Pic you posted on 15/2 Pic 5 Neo’ ‘Sacred Dancer’ as it really reminds me of Neo’ ‘Von Cos’ and Neo’ ‘Manoas Beauty’ and looks like it will be one that really turns heads in your garden. Your Pic 2 of Neo ‘Gold Explosion’ intrigued me too because it is just so bright, I nearly got my sunnies out just to have a look at it LOL. One on my Wish List is Neo’ ‘Medusa’ and I am keeping my eye out for it on EBay. Like you I like Orlandiana and have mine growing in full sun except for Ensign and Pinkie.

Bree like you if I had my way I would stay at home and not go anywhere, I crave home time and weekends and am not big on shopping centres where there are large crowds or noisy places when you have to go somewhere for lunch or dinner. I am more into either staying at home or when I feel like doing something go to Bunnings, Nurseries, Antique Stores and Markets, anything other than that and I chuck a tantrum and run in the oposite direction to avoid going.

Hi Sue great to hear you got the mowing done, hopefully this will keep the grasshoppers at bay as they won’t be getting anywhere far when they are missing body parts LOL. Lucy caught one of those really big brow/grey looking grass hoppers the other day and I laughed my head off when she jumped in the pool to retrieve it and sat there by the edge of the pool doing her very best to eat it with arms and legs coming out of her mouth like something you see on a Bear Grills TV episode (hope I spelt his name right?). Anyway she must luv the taste of them when they are alive because she ate the whole thing but it took her awhile, she was really proud of herself.

Sue sure you will have your garden back to normal in no time as it’s your pride and joy and I know how much time you luv spending in it. I wish I had more time available to spend in mine, maybe one day. Sue those pics of your Ae’s in flower are gorgeous, I really like the dark red underside of the leaf, I wonder if that one is Ae’ ‘Shining Light’, I have this one and am sure it’s underside of the leaf is dark red? Do you have Shining Light? If not I will post a pic so you can compare with your NOID? What a shame about the loss of your Vr. Guttata tray, I am so glad to hear that you did not lose too many broms whilst you were away.

Hi Ian like you we are getting enough showers to keep the mozzies away but once that rain stops they come in for the kill and even with spray I can feel them pinging off my skin looking for a feed but luckily the bug spray is keeping them at bay. Ian I adored the Pic you posted on 16/2 of Bill’ ‘Mueiel Waterman’, nice band markings and color.

Hi Shirley I will post a pic of Vr’ ‘Iced VoVo’ today minus all the leaves I cut off her.

Shirley I like to keep a hard copy and electronic copy of everything relating to Bromeliads. I just need to back up my brom database so I don’t experience losing everything like I did last time. The database is great because I can print off a report of what I have and any other info I have entered into the database.

Shirley in answer to your question “what is your personal favourite in your neo' collection”, mine happens to be the same as yours Neo’ ‘Manoas Beauty’, it’s one that makes me turn my head in the garden and take another look and I have more of these in my neo collection than anything else because I luv them so much. They really stand out, grow quick and produce a lot of pups. Followed closely would have to be Neo’ ‘Catlans’ Leopard’.

Shirley fantastic shots you posted on 16/2, I drooled at all the broms I could see in the background and wish I could have teleported myself into the image so I could look and touch them all and if there was enough room in my teleport machine, teleport some back with me LOL.

Nev / Shirley how are your Pink Ginger seedlings doing? Let me know if you want some more?

Anyway time to take the girls for a walk before it gets too late.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

Pic 1 - Vr' 'Iced VoVo - so pretty...
Pic 2 - Neo' 'Marble Throat x Barbarian'
Pic 3 - Neo' 'Pascoaliana' - luv this one and apparently it does not mind a bit of sun.
Pic 4 - Neo' 'Fruit Cake'

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 17, 2013
1:50 AM

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Damn pics are all out of wack...

Pic 1 - Pascoaliana
Pic 2 - Iced VoVo
Pic 3 - Marble Throat x Barbarian
Pic 4 - Fruit Cake (still)

Hi Ian we posted at the same time, sounds like you have been real busy, good on you. Hope you find your mower LOL. Its raining heavy here now. We ended up not taking the girls for a walk.

Trish

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 17, 2013
5:06 AM

Post #9421611

Hello everyone, well, there goes another weekend … don’t they go by quickly. We have had rain off and on all day today and we had visitors too, so didn’t get anything done in the garden or shadehouse.

Nev, I was trying to find some info on the variegated form of Vr Glutinosa and I found that it is called Vr Galaxy, which I think is a really stunning plant and it also explains why I have a couple of tiny grass pups on my Vr Galaxy. I would never have thought the two were related. I had planned to get a pic of my Vr Glutinosa today but it didn’t happen. I’ll post an older pic of both Vr Glutinosa and Vr Galaxy.

Michael is much better, thanks Nev, so I can drop the nurse tag and the sympathy now and start cracking the whip again.

Nev, I had never heard of a Vrieslandsia before and I could find very little info on the internet and very few pics to make a comparison. But, it is a beautiful plant and I have you top of the list for the first spare pup.

Ian, I know what you mean by your favourite neo changing week by week. Neo Treasure Chest and Grace X Passion are both lovely plants.

Trish, I hope you enjoyed your birthday party on Saturday … and we’re still waiting for a pic of Fred and Barney. I have added neo Medusa to the list of neo pups I am keeping for you Trish. Thanks for the nice comments about the broms in the background of my pics … let me know when you’re ready to teleport into my brom house and I’ll meet you there with a bottle of Baileys. I must admit that I don’t pay much attention to what’s in the background when I am taking photos and often curse when I look at them that I haven’t moved something or other out of frame.

Trish, the Pink Gingers are doing very nicely, though both are still in pots. I do plan to put one into the garden but first I need to get in there and clean up where I would like to plant it.

Gee, I love all those pics you posted Trish, Vr Iced VoVo is exquisite, the others are very yummy too.

Just the two pics tonight (if I can find them), 1 Vr Glutinosa, 2 Vr Galaxy

Bye for now, Shirley

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 17, 2013
12:59 PM

Post #9422135

Good morning all.
I am so sick of the rain! Sorry Trish but the smell of rain here is the smell of mould and rot!
I found some more broms rotting out yesterday, this time a tray of Neo. carolinae 'Tricolor' arggghhhh! I have turfed them all out and will have to dispose of the soil and bleach clean the pots if i want to reuse them. I took 10 pups of the same off unaffected plants, so still have enough to go on with. The v. guttata that i lost were only a third of the stock, so i still have two trays to go on with of those. Thanks nev for your kind offer. Alot of the plants i bought came in straight potting mix, and I think its just too compact for bromeliads. I don't have the time or resourses to repot the whole lot, but I will start fresh with the pups.
Ian, much respect to you for starting to cull. Its hard at first, but becomes easier as room becomes scarce. Like you say, not much point in growing on a heap of stuff no one wants.
I hope you get some good news with your eyes, and please be carefull with them! It would be devastating to lose sight of all those beautiful plants! Good luck with your hybridising too. the cross, should it take, would be quite interesting.
Shirley, a note on grass pups again. Apparently Alc. 'Silver plum' doesn't get grass pups, yet another story i heard says that if you grow them from seed, the seedlings will develop grass pups, which makes me ask, how were the non-grass-pupping Silver Pups grown? Tissue culture?
I find it very hard to decide which Neo is my favourite, as there are at least 10 on the short list. I will get back to you on that one, when I have had a stroll around and trick myself with the idea that I could only keep one, and make a decision that way.
I know af a couple of people who are interested in A. 'Roberto menescal', so imagine that demand is keeping the price up, but A. Samarai has come down a little since I first became aware of it. Unfortunately it is too cold tender for these parts.
Good to hear that michael is on the mend. That will free you up to do your garden tidy! I'm with you though, it isn't going anywhere and can wait. I've done a little bit around here, but there is about 3-4 solid days of garden cleaning to do, so I will sread it out over the next couple of weeks, and cross my fingers we get some dry days
I was thinking along the same line as nev, when I saw the picture of your new Vriesea. I thought maybe a bigeneric too. I don't even know what prompted the thought, but there you go. Its a beauty.
oh, look at that, its raining!
Shirley, i didn't find a smaller pup/plant of that NOID Aechmea, but when one comes along, I will keep you in mind.
Nev, my plant is definitely not as scurfy as your pictre of A. 'Little harv', but then neither is my labelled plant? The flower is very similar, so maybe i will do a search through the Aechmea cultivars for plants with chantinii in the parentage, as that would be a likely parent.
My V. guttatas suffered rot, but as I said earlier, I have spares, but thank you so much for your kind offer.
I thought the way the issue with the snake was resolved, a little violent! i think i would have called wires or parks and wildlife before smashing the throne! A coslty exercise that one!
Trish, your V. 'Iced VoVo' is lovely. I look forward to seeing it mature.
I am with you, i hate shopping. I too like antique shops, markets and bunnings. I like to look at nurseries to see whats new and keep my fingers on the dollar values, but my favourite nurseries would have to be those of the bromeliad growers. I haven't been to one in ages!
I had to laugh at your description of Lucy with the grass hopper. Our dogs will also play with the large ones, poking their noses at them to get another jump out of them. Eventually they get a bit mangled, and then 'crunch, crunch, crunch' I haven't noticed any damage to the broms from the grass hoppers, but a wisteria has been attacked, which doesn't matter because it will lose all its leaves for winter anyway.
Thanks for your ideas on A. 'Shining Light'. I am not familiar with it, so will do a google search and the brom photo index and see. It would be nice to have a name for it. If you could post a picture also, that would be great.
I love Neo, pascaoliana. I would love to mount mine high up, so i can view it from underneath, but its a rather large plant to find a spot for?
Sorry guys, I'll have to put some older pics in this morning, as i couldn't get out to get any new ones. I have Ae.'Freckles' in flower that i wanted to show you, but hopefully I will be able to photograph it later today or early tomorrow.
In photo one there is an unamed, funny shaped brom, which i suspect is a neo, nut not sure. Any ideas?
Photo two is a little pot I got from bigW, on specila some time back. My suspicions were tillandsia cyanea, and i think i could be right?
Photo three is a stick that i attach Tillandsias too, as they are purchased. It will be overed one day...one day...
Photo four is good old v. 'Kiwi Sunset' the same one that got champion of the show, last year. I'd better find something different to enter this year.
Photo five has been posted before, but Neo. 'De rolph' is deinitley one of my favourites!
Sue

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 17, 2013
12:59 PM

Post #9422136

Nev thanks for getting that information for me. Very interesting.
Trish i'll put you down for pups of Gold Explosion and Sacred Dancer not sure how long you'll need to wait for them to grow though, you to Nev. My Medusa is very small to pup i think, i think i got it from Shirley, maybe she has more?
Yes im defenatly a home body. i must admit i do go to big shopping centres clothes shopping though hehe! as well as nurseries, Bunnings, pet shops, markets and op shops/secondhand shops. Trish love your 'Marble Throat x Barbarian' and yes i do have Manoa Beauty and love it.
Im trying to think of my favourite but i'll have to get back to you when i can get outside and have a look(its raining now).
1. Trish heres my Fruitcake (ive never heard of it), did you get it from ebay? 2. Lila

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 17, 2013
1:02 PM

Post #9422141

Trish, i think you are spot on with A. 'Shining Light' thank you so much.
Hi bree, me too, op shops and pet shops.
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 17, 2013
6:20 PM

Post #9422451

Hi everyone – Here we are again at the start of a new week which means off to our jobs for some of us and back out into the garden for the remaining lucky ones. I didn't get much done yesterday as most of the day was at a very enjoyable family BBQ and being entertained by the “goings on” of my three youngest grandsons.

Ian – You've done the right thing “binning” those grey/green leafed Aechmeas if you don't think they would sell. With anything like that (which often I grew when I first started growing from seed) I would just pick out one good looking plant to keep and toss the rest. You can sometimes “unload” these to “landscapers” for use in mass plantings, but they usually want large plants and they take up so much space while you're getting them to that size that it really isn't worth it.

With Bill. De Nada you can get a quite attractively coloured plant by increasing the light as strong as it can tolerate. I thought at the time that your plant had been growing in the shade because the first one I got looked exactly the same and the lady who gave it to me said to gradually get it used to bright light and I would be very very surprised at the difference and WOW! ….. Was she right, it's a beautifully coloured plant.(See pic.1).

Ian, I know it's important to satisfy your customers, but they won't give a “toss” about the condition of your eyes; all they're interested in is a good job at the right price and how they get it doesn't matter to them. Remember you only have one set of eyes and if it's the welding that's causing the problem and you can't get any sort of shield that will protect your eyes properly, then you have to stop welding, no “ifs”, “buts” or “maybes”. I know you need to work to get money but remember your eyes are more important and if they continue to deteriorate, a few years down the track you won't be able to see the beautiful hybrids you have created. You only have one set of eyes and if you don't look after them, you're a long time blind, so good luck with the doctor mate.

That's a nice lite crop of Acanthostachys strobilacea you have there. I grew a batch from seed a few years back now, and found I had no trouble selling them once they got to about 3”pot size size. I just took ten seedlings along to one of our meetings together with a flowering plant (to show what the flowers are like) and sold the lot in about ten minutes. I grew the remainder on under 75% shade cloth initially until they got some size and then gradually increased the light and hardened them off to encourage flowering. I also grew some Acanthostachys Pitcainioides but in my opinion, they're not as attractive, as the small mauve flowers are nestled right down in the centre of the plant. It does have pretty savage spikes also which because of the way they are constructed (facing different directions), don't want to let you go once they grab you. It's an interesting plant “botanically”, but not one I would bother growing from seed again.

Trish – I must say I was totally confused when I first looked at you pic's this morning and until I saw your second post and realised DG had “done it again”. That Vr. 'Iced Vo Vo' is a great looking plant with most unusual markings, and when I first looked at the pic I thought I had seen it before or something very much like it and the old “brain cogs” started turning over, and then the “penny dropped”; I remembered it was on the cover of Andrew Steen's book, “Bromeliads – The Connoisseur's Guide” where I had seen it. I'm not sure if it's the same plant but it's very much like it and I must have a look after, and see if I can find the name of that plant on the cover.

From now on I'll call you “Shot Gun Girl”, WOW! Four cans in a row without spilling a drop and your friend could do five. I'll bet you both had some pretty wild times during “LBB” (Life Before Brom's).

Speaking of Shot Guns and your amazement of just how the snake could get into that small space reminds me of an incident when I was about twelve years old. It was when we lived out at Dunmore and I had a bird aviary. I was looking at the birds one day when all of a sudden they all went quiet which was something I couldn't understand as they were always whistling, especially the canaries. Anyway, when I looked closer I saw a red-belied black snake about 3' long, slithering around the floor of the aviary. I rushed inside and told Dad as I got out the shot gun; I went outside, loaded the gun and let fly at the snake and at such close quarters it cut him in half.

Shortly after I removed the body from the aviary, Mum called out to say lunch was ready and Dad and I went inside for lunch. It was while we were eating Dad said, “quick, go and get the bird trap, there's a canary sitting on the fence” and when I looked I could see another, as well as a couple of Gold Finches; I thought, “this is my lucky day, someone's lost some birds from their aviary” and quickly I went out to the aviary to catch another canary to put in the centre compartment of the trap as a “caller”. It was just as I was about to open the aviary door, that I spied a largish hole in the bird wire on the wall of the aviary and then I realised that was where I had fired the shot gun through at the snake. Then it all fell into place; the birds sitting on the fence weren't escapees from somewhere else, they were my own birds which had escaped through the hole in the wire made by the shot gun!

We looked high and low to try and fine where that snake had got into the aviary and after finding nothing, came to the conclusion he must have somehow been able to squeeze through the 1/2” bird wire?????

It's a pity some of the leaves on your 'Iced Vo Vo' were damaged in the post. It's unfortunate that some sellers just don't take enough care when packing their plants. They do have to be packed well as some of Australia Posts workers treat them pretty roughly. It doesn't seem to make any difference even if you write “fragile” or “live plants” on the box, they still sometimes arrive damaged.

Trish, you sound a lot like me in your choice of places to go and your hatred of crowds; I personally wouldn't care if I could never leave my back yard and my garden again as I can always find something to do and entertain myself there.

My Pink Gingers are 50/50. I say this because I planted them both in pots to get them established and now I only have one still growing. Although they were side by side in a reasonably protected part of the garden, it seems the heat from our two heatwave days “took one out”, but I haven't “tossed it” as I'm always hopeful a new growth might just pop up one day.

I find that Neo Pascoaliana will tolerate bright light OK and more so than a lot of other Neo's, this is maybe because it has more stamina being a species. I like the Neo. 'Marble Throat' x 'Barbarian' and
Neo. Fruit Cake as well.

Shirley – Thank's for that info about Vr. 'Galaxy'; you've made my day, as I've often admired that plant from afar never thinking I would ever own one and now I have six! The old lady who gave it to me is a very dear friend and very much an expert on brom's and she has specialised in variegated brom's ever since she started collecting. Unfortunately, age has caught up with her memory and when she gave them to me she just said they were grass pups of a variegated Vr. Glutinosa and that it had another name but she couldn't remember it. I brought them home and planted them and never followed the name thing up any further, never for a moment thinking I could be so lucky to have grass pups from Vr. Galaxy, so as I said, you've made my day.

There are a about 25 xVrieslandsias registered and shown on the BCR; but what you have to remember is that the names of all bi-generic crosses are preceded by a lower case letter “x”, so that's probably why you couldn't find them, you were probably looking under V and not x.
See: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=xVRIESLANDSIA

I like the look of your Vr. Glutinosa and Vr. Galaxy, both nice tidy well grown plants; it seems like you have the cultural side of brom. growing well and truly sorted out.

Sue – I think Neo De Rolf is a beautiful plant also and as a c.v. from a species (Johannis) it can hold it's own with any “man or woman made” hybrids. There are a few different clones around but all of the ones I have seen so far have all been “eye openers”.
See: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3915#3915

You could be right about the Alc. 'Silver Plum' and the grass pups as I have taken grass pups off my Alc. 'Silver Plum' and I know for a fact that it was seed grown from a “selfed” plant. That however brings up the same old question; was it fertilised by its “own pollen” or perhaps done by insects with pollen from another plant? My plant does look very much like a Silver Plum, but then as they say, you can only ever be sure of who the Mother was? As for your theory about tissue culture, I think you're dead right, because what other way could you all of a sudden get hundreds of same size plants all hitting the market in different outlets at the one time?

I'm in the same boat as you too Sue, I can't grow Ae. Samurai down here either. Just the same as most of the Ae Chantinii types and most of its hybrids (except Ae. Echidna). They all grow OK until the cold weather starts and then they just start going backwards until they eventually die. Strangely enough the cold doesn't seem to damage the Ae 'Echidna' so maybe it's the Ae. 'Recurvata' in its parentage that toughens it up.

I meant to mention previously when we were discussing your Ae. NOID when you said it had discoloured leaves (green on top and red/burgundy beneath). Generally speaking and as a rough guide, any plant with burgundy or discoloured leaves can be cold sensitive to a lesser or greater degree, so just be warned and give them some extra protection in the cold weather.

That's about it for today, so now a few pic's to finish with. Pic.1 is for Ian and is Bill. 'De Nada' grown in strong light (It's a bit distorted due to where it was up against another plant and I didn't see it until it was too late) Pic.2 is Vr. Fosteriana, Pic.3 is another of my Neo. Concentrica x [Charm x Cracker Jack] seedlings, Pic. 4 is Vr. Megan and Pic.5 is some freshly potted up Ae. 'Forest Fire' x Self seedlings.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 17, 2013
11:05 PM

Post #9422571

Everyone has such nice Broms! I love Neo De Rolf, its up there with my favourites.
1. Here's my A. Shining Light's, a bit ratty. 2. Do you thik this is Silver Plum?, rings a bell and i cant find a tag on this one.

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 17, 2013
11:33 PM

Post #9422578

Hi Everyone!

Hi Shirley thanks for asking, we had a good time at our friends birthday party on Saturday and got home reasonably early which was good because I wanted to wake up early on Sunday to get things done. Sorry still no pics of Fred & Barney, our friends are not that organised when it comes to getting photo’s either printed or emailed out, but they are good at taking lots of photos and hounding everyone to strike a pose LOL.

I agree totally Shirley, how nice would that be me teleporting my way over to your place so we can get stuck into a bottle of Baileys together Ha, Ha, Ha… and while we are at it admire all your beautiful bromeliads. I can think of nothing better than that, it would be like heaven.

Shirley, thank you so much for adding my name for a pup of Neo’ ‘Medusa’ to the list of pups you are keeping for me, very much appreciate you thinking of me. I took a gander at Ae. ‘Rodco – Inverta’ today to see if the couple of large mothers have had anymore pups and discovered a very small one that I will add to the list of what I am keeping aside for you. Shirley pleased to hear the Pink Gingers are doing well, if you ever want more let me know. Pleased to hear you really liked Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’, I hope that it comes back ok after the beating it got in the post. Luv the Vr. ‘Galaxy’ Pic 2 you posted, another one that is on my want list along with Vr. ‘Cracker Jack’ that went for a big amount on EBay the other day much to my disgust.

Hi Sue I don’t blame you being sick of the rain especially with what you’re going through at the moment with loosing broms and all the work that goes into throwing beloved broms out, cleaning up and bleaching pots etc. Wish I lived closer so I could pitch in and give you a hand.

Sue pleased to hear you really liked Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’, I too can’t wait to see what it looks like when it matures as the mother plant on EBay looked gorgeous and the seller looked like they had it growing outside under trees.

Too funny Sue, your dogs also like eating grasshoppers; our dogs must find them very tasty to be able to persevere in eating those big tough chewy bodies, plus arms and legs.

Sue yeah you can’t beat nurseries that just sell broms but they are hard to find around here so I have been talking to as many people I know and even knocking on doors if I drive past a house that has a good display of bromeliads out front and you would be surprised how easy it really is to make new contacts. Takes a bit of nerve to knock on a strangers door but once they know I am collect broms there is no shutting us up and it’s great to know there are more of us out there because they too have contacts they know of and vice versa . In the past week I have been able to meet a couple of new collectors that are either in or near Townsville and I am thrilled to bits. We have exchanged contact information and are already talking about catching up to talk broms’ (what else is there to talk about?).

Sue I will post a picture today of my Ae. ‘Shining Light’ for comparison, my one has been mistreated by the dogs that knocked it over one day and ran all over it trying to catch a snake (which they did). Anyway it’s coming back but slowly but surely.

Sue great pics you posted, I have and luv Vr. Kiwi Sunset, it’s gorgeous whether in flower or not. I agree how amazing is Neo’ ‘De Rolf’, I only have one of these so far and luv it to bits, I did not realise until I purchased my first one how huge they grow. Yeah Sue I reckon your new Till’ is ‘cyanea’. I have one of these in flower at the moment if you want me to post a pic? Those Till’s of yours will look fantastic when they cover the whole stick, imagine when they flower how alive the stick will look.

I rang a new brom collector I had heard about last Friday and we played phone tag Friday and Saturday, then while I was out shopping for my friend’s birthday present on Saturday I saw a couple of ladies in the middle of a shopping mall selling bromeliads, orchids and cuttings etc. Anyway I went over and looked at their name badges closely and said out loud hi to the person I had been playing phone tag with and she looked at me funny like a was a crazy person, like do I know you? Anyway once I introduced myself she threw her head back and laughed hysterically and then we chatted for at least a good 30mins talking about what we both collected and I am looking at catching up with her in the next couple of weeks and vice versa. The brom pics I posted the other day of Neo’ 'Pascoaliana' and Neo’ ‘Fruit Cake’ were from her.

Hi Bree awesome; thanks for putting my name down for a pup of Neo’ ‘Gold Explosion’ and Neo’ ‘Sacred’ Dancer’. Bree I have put your name down for Neo’ ‘Marble Throat x ‘Barbarian’ for when the pup grows up and gives me a pup. Shirley has kindly put me down for a pup of Neo’ ‘Medusa’. Bree I got Neo ‘Fruit Cake’ from the brom lady I met on Saturday.

Bree I sent parcel off to you this morning so I hope you get it this week, let me know when it arrives as it would be nice to know how many days it took for future reference.

Hi Nev I could not find Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’ anywhere named on Andrew Steen’s book “Bromeliads – The Connoisseur's Guide” see if you have better luck finding it written somewhere? But your right the one on the front cover reminds me of Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’. You did well remembering to look at the book, I didn’t even think to.

Yeah “Shot Gun Girl” was definitely LBB (Life Before Brom’s). But you know to this day if I go visit my Shot Gun Friend in Victoria, no matter how old we are now she still expects me to Shut Gun a can of VB with her, except now instead of it just going down my throat it also comes out my noise like a tap has just been turned on LOL.

Nev luved the snake story you told with some of the birds from your aviary flying out because of the bullet hole in the wire from shooting the snake, too funny, I hope you managed to get all the birds back into the aviary?

Yeah Nev the seller that sold us Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’ packed it in a recycled beer box go figure? The box was half squashed by the time we received it. What a stupid thing to post anything in given how flimsy that type of cardboard is. I was horrified when I came home to find it had been packed in that sort of box and made sure I complained to the seller as they really need to rethink how they package their broms. Anyway hopefully the take heed on the feedback we left as this has put us off ever buying from them again.

Nev sounds like a few of us in this forum have more in common than just brom collecting, we hate crowds, like visiting antique shops, op-shops, markets, nurseries and pet shops and if we had our way we would not go anywhere and just stay at home and potter away in our gardens.

Nev I can post you some more Pink Ginger Seedlings if you like?

Nev great brom pics you posted, I especially liked Vr’ ‘Megan’ and all those beautiful seedlings you potted up, they look to be a good size and are colouring up well and I am blown away how different they all look to one another.

Anyway time to take the girls for a walk before it gets too late.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

Pic 1 – Ae. ‘Shining Light’ (for Sue)
Pic 2 – Vr. ‘Candy Shop x Fairy Floss’
Pic 3 – Neo’ ‘Purple Star’
Pic 4 – Neo’ ‘Purple Star’ (close up)
Pic 5 – Neo’ ‘Sunday Best’

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 18, 2013
5:07 AM

Post #9422718

Hi everyone, another very rainy day here today so nothing much achieved outside. By the sounds of the weather forecast, we are in for a whole lot more of the same.

Sue, like you, I am over the rain but then, Jan-Feb-March was always our ‘rainy season’ here in Brissie. I guess ten years of drought and people forget how it used to be. Thanks Sue, for looking for a pup from your NOID aechmea and also for keeping me in mind should you come across one.

Sue, I’m hanging out to see your pic of Ae Freckles in flower. Mine is looking good but I don’t think it will flower this season, so it will show me what I have to look forward to. There are some really lovely aechmeas on eBay lately and while Ae Samurai has come down in price, it’s still got a way to go before I can afford to buy it. Sue, your vr Kiwi Sunset and neo de Rolph are stunners.

Bree, I do have another Medusa pup and I have put Trish’s name on it. I too enjoy being at home and just pottering with my plants … I can lose a whole day that way, no problem at all ... and I love eBay. I can spend hours window shopping on eBay, looking at all those gorgeous, expensive bromeliads, while drooling all over my keyboard and wishing I could afford to buy a few of them. I also love going to Bunnings and Masters and weekend markets. We also frequent coffee shops and bakeries … love those aromas … freshly ground coffee beans and freshly baked bread and pastries … yum yum !!

Nev, I am so pleased to hear that I was able to make your day with the info on Vr Galaxy, I agree that it is a lovely vriesea. And it’s great that you have, not one, but six grass pups of a plant that you have long admired and thought you would never own. Who knows … maybe one day I’ll have six Ae Samurai LOL.

Nev, are your Ae Forest Fire seedlings different colours due to being in different light or just variation in the seed. I love those darker coloured ones and I believe they grow very BIG. Even though they are just seedlings, I might jump in early and ask you to put my name down for a pup from one of the deep orange coloured ones, please.

And you’re right Nev, I was looking for Vrieslandsia on the BCR under V rather than x, thanks for that link also. Vr Megan is one of my favourite vrieseas, that pic of yours is so beautiful.

Trish, it’s hard to believe any seller would pack such a lovely delicate plant in a beer carton. I know I’ve had some broms arrive crushed, due to inadequate packaging … really cheesed me off too. Vr Candy Shop x Fairy Floss is another beauty … love those pink-white centred vrieseas.

Well, time for me to look for a couple of pics. It’s still raining … hasn’t let up for hours.

Pic 1 is newly acquired vriesea White Bands pup, pic 2 is neo Enchantment, Pic 3 is neo Barbarian

Bye for now, Shirley


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 18, 2013
12:05 PM

Post #9423257

Hi everyone - Well it's the start of another working week in your paid jobs for some of you and more brom work for others. Although I'm now retired, I still have plenty of work to do in the “potting up department” but I must say it's better than working three shifts like I did for over thirty years.

Breediny – I'm certainly no expert in the area of Alcantareas, but I must say that silvery looking scurf on the upper leaf surface of your plant looks very similar to the leaves on my plant which is from seed taken from an Alc. 'Silver Plum'. As it matures the leaf colour should get a bit deeper and the silvery colour more pronounced also. ( By the way, keep a lookout for the postman this week).

Trish – Yes I've been patiently waiting to see the Fred and Barney pic's as well so best tell your friends to “pull their fingers out”!

It's good to see you meeting up with new brom collectors; have you talked them into joining us here on the forum yet? Also, if you get the chance, you should arrange a visit to Rob Smythe's collection in Townsville. He has bred some beautiful Neo's and and has a great collection of Alcantareas as well. I've never been there but I'm told it's well worth the visit.

I don't think there's any need to bother you for more pink gingers thanks all the same as I think my one will be OK, in fact I'll post a pic when it flowers. I forgot to ask previously, how tall do they get before they flower and at what time of the year?

You said you like reading my little stories, well seeing there's not a lot happening on here today, here's another little one which occurred when we lived at Dunmore also. We lived in an old weatherboard quarry house with the old pan dunny right down the back yard near where I later built a shade house. The bloke next door was a professional “rabbiter” and had ferrets which he would use to catch the rabbits. One day Dad had gone down to the dunny and it was shortly after we heard him yell out and when we looked he was “hopping” up the yard with his trousers down around his ankles and looking a bit on the pale side. What had happened to give him such a fright was that a ferret had somehow got into the dunny (perhaps through the rear “pan access door”) Anyway when Dad lifted the lid and sat down, the ferret apparently got a fright and made a dash for daylight, straight up between Dad's legs. We often discussed who got the biggest fright Dad or the ferret.

Anyway back to brom's; that Neo. Purple Star in your pic, judging by your feet in the pic it's a huge plant! It must be almost three feet across and nothing like the one I have named as Neo. 'Purple Star' which is a compact plant of only about twelve inches in diameter and a much deeper purple colour. This caused me to look it up on the BCR and the picture there looks similar to your plant although no sizes are given.
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=6544#6544
I have since come to the conclusion that there is a second (unregistered) Neo.'Purple Star' getting around parts of NSW and Qld. and this I think is the one I have. (see Pic.1) Your Vr. ‘Candy Shop x Fairy Floss’ is a nice looking plant also and will probably colour up a bit more when it matures.

Shirley – To answer your question about the Ae. 'Forest Fire' seedlings. They were all growing side by side beneath 50% green shade cloth so the different foliage colour is probably due to the genetic make-up of the plants. Forest Fire is a cross between two species Ae. Blanchetiana x Ae. Eurycorymbus. The seed came from a grower in America who said she selfed her plant so I should have written the name correctly as Ae 'Forest Fire' x self, instead of just Ae. 'Forest Fire'. I knew what they were and as I wasn't intending selling any I didn't worry too much about the name. Although they are only once removed from the species, the colour will still be variable as they are from a selfing of a hybrid and as we all know, hybrids can throw anything.

These particular plants were long overdue for re-potting as they were still in only 3' pots; (they are now in 5.5” pots) and were about eighteen inches tall. They were hanging plants and not on a bench and that's how they were overlooked , because if they had been on a bench they would have kept toppling over as they were so top heavy. I may still have a few small seedlings somewhere as I did a couple of batches of them and if I can find some I'll drop a few in the mail to you. I will definitely save you a pup of one of the better coloured ones if and when I get one.
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=AECHMEA&id=218#218

They're nice plants in your pic's but the Neo 'Enchantment' gets it for my vote, what fantastic colour you've managed to get, a truly beautiful brom.

A few pic's to finish with now, firstly Pic.1 which is the plant I have that's called Neo 'Purple Star' and the following four are of a bit of a make over I did down the back yard. Unfortunately I didn't get a "before" pic as I didn't remember the camera until after I had started pulling out plants; anyway the first three pic's are the "during" shots and the last one is the "after" shot.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 18, 2013
1:10 PM

Post #9423327

I like Trish's Purple Star and Wow Shirley Neo Enchantment and neo Barbarian are awsome. I'll have to get a photo of my white bands to show you, its huge.
Thanks Nev and Trish ill be watching out. Ive finished my repotting and do have alot of bark mix left and ive found some extra space in my garden. hehe!
1. This is what the Dark Star i got is ment to look like when mature. 2. Burle Marxii ssp meeana(thats what my tag says), Isnt it just Marx though? i cant find another picture of this one. It has dark purple right down in the leaves.


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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 18, 2013
1:10 PM

Post #9423328

Good morning all. Its b%#*dy raining again! Apparently we are going to get it all week.
It did clear up from time to time, yesterday, so I managed to wash a few pots and move a few broms to the sale area. I am hoping we might get some dry patches today also, so I can pot up a few ferns, cordylines and gingers that are too big for their pots.
My poor dogs are bored listless, as I'm not keen on a wet walk! If I get a chance, I will throw the bll around later and see if I can tire them out.
I managed to get some photos yesterday, one being Aechmea 'Freckles' for Shirley, and I also discovered my favourite neo is 'Running Red River'. I walked around looking at all the broms and that is the one I would take if i could only take one. Now, if the question was favourite brom from all genus?????
Photo one is Neo. 'Running Red River'
Photo two is Aechmea 'freckles' (colour has faded with flowering)
Photo three is some neo. punctatissima in a log
Photo four is Aechmea 'Bert' on a log
Photo five as the only way you can 'shoot' a grasshopper wthout damaging the plant
Sue

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 18, 2013
3:35 PM

Post #9423500

I still can't decide on my favourite one. Running Red River is awsome Sue i have to admit. All your broms look great esp. on/in logs.
1. Look my Stars and Bars and Big Mac pup look similar at the moment. 2. I love Norman Bates. If i had to choose one to keep i dont think i could.ha! I think i like Predator the best i love the broms that look like they have blood splotches on them the best but the bigger the brom the better.
3. Heres my poor looking Tim Plowman in to much sun, im selling off alot of some of the more boring orchids and im going to move some broms into the orchid house for more shade.
4. Dark Veil is looking nice in more shade. 5. Shirley this is my White Bands looking a little burnt from when i moved them out in the flood, its one of the biggest broms i have aside from the Orange Blanchy Sue gave me.

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 19, 2013
2:42 AM

Post #9423954

Hi Everyone!

It rained off and on last night which cooled things off a bit but as soon as the sun came out this morning so did the humidity and the sweat poured off me.

Hi Shirley sounds like you are getting a fair bit of rain and I can appreciate why you are over it.

Yeah Shirley I was really cheesed off to see my Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’ packed in a recycled (crushed) beer carton. You would think the seller would have had better sense than doing that so as far as I am concerned it comes down to sheer laziness packing any type of plant in such a flimsy box. Once Bitten Twice Shy as they say. Anyway time will tell on how well the brom recovers from the shock, so far it appears to be doing ok.

Shirley nice pics you posted of Vr. White Bands, Neo’ Enchantment and Neo’ Barbarian. It’s good to see what Barbarian looks like on its own, it’s lovely. Your Enchantment looks nice, big and healthy. Vr. White Bands I adore in my collection as it looks great and has grown up well for me.

Hi Nev I will try to hurry our friends along for Fred and Barney pictures and tell them like you said to “pull their fingers out” LOL. I am hoping that the footage has been destroyed for our sake. I hate getting my picture taken at the best of times; mind you we were in cognito that day; well I was anyway because I had a wig on.

Yeah Nev I have spoken to one of the new brom collectors about joining this forum but they prefer keeping a low profile and hate computers. I have not had a chance to speak to the other one I met on Saturday. Nev thanks I have not caught up with Rob Smythe yet in Townsville, I will have to look him up and pay him a visit sometime if he is happy to receive visitors that is?

Nev I luv reading your little stories and cacked myself laughing when I read todays one about your Dad’s run in with the frisky Ferret. Too Funny! Keep them coming Nev as it’s always good to laugh. Nev on the weekend I will try to remember to recite the story about my belated Goldfish “Beaker”. I don’t think I have told everyone here that story before?

Nev yes Neo’ ‘Purple Star’ at least 3 foot across, she’s huge and I adore her. Thanks for the BCR info, that’s definitely her in full colour. I like your one too but your right it does look different to mine, how confusing? Thanks for posting pic for comparison.

Nev fantastic makeover shots of your garden, you have been very busy indeed, the end result looks awesome and all the broms look gorgeous.

Hi Bree that Neo’ ‘Dark Star’ I have never seen before, it’s very beautiful and so different with the white centre. So your making way in your orchid nursery for more broms, makes sense to me but horrified Joe who is the orchid collector in our family. I just said to him broms always win in the end because they come in all shapes and sizes, are easy to maintain, are beautiful and they stand out in a crowd. I have not heard of your Pic 2?

Hi Sue you and Shirley sound like you are getting slammed with rain and I can appreciate why you are over it. Our dogs too hate it when it rains and they get very depressed and we find we end up trying to entertain them or they are just not motivated in doing anything. Pleased to hear you got some stuff done around the garden and you are chewing away at things never the less, rain or no rain.

Sue I agree with everyone else your Pic 1 of Neo’ ‘Running River’ is gorgeous. I think I have all the other “Rivers” except for ‘Running River’ and am currently chasing this one on EBay.

Sue that grasshopper type I have not seen before, its marking are very different. It looks like a harmless one as such exists? Luved all you broms pics in the logs, great idea.

Anyway time to head off, apologies no pics tonight.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish
ianperry

February 19, 2013
2:58 AM

Post #9423957

Hi all, just dropping in again for a look see and a bit of a show off.I have noticed Medusa pupping and took 1 off today then I took a pic of the base of what is left. 1 looks like a grass but I am sure it will grow to a decent size in a reasonable time. It has just been one of those days and I am going to bed early.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Neo Medusa
Pic 2 Medusa's pups
Pic 3 Nid something or other(NOID)

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 19, 2013
6:07 AM

Post #9424045

Hi all, another day of almost non stop rain here again today … I am desperate to get out into the garden. Hopefully I will get to pull a few weeds while the ground is still nice and soft.

Nev, my neo purple star looks pretty much like yours in size and colour, but I do like the one Trish has. I would love some of those Ae Forest Fire x self seedlings if you come across them. I agree with you, neo Enchantment is a beauty and I have just taken my first pup from her. At the moment it’s the only one she has but I am hoping for a few more.

Nev, I enjoyed your ferret story and that’s a great looking garden makeover too ... what is the name of the neo third from the right in pic 5 … looks quite unusual. Love the colour in that bill Hallelujah in the middle.

Sue, thanks for the pic of Ae Freckles in flower, pretty impressive, hey! I can’t wait for mine to flower and then to pup. Your neo Running Red River is very impressive too, and so brightly coloured, could I ask you to put me on your list of pups from that one, please. Your broms on logs look really good, that’s something I will have to try.

Bree, those are nice pics of your broms, what a pity some of them have suffered burn. I hope my Vr White Bands gets as big as yours.

Trish, the rain has made it quite cool here the last few days. From memory, I think you may have mentioned “Beaker” before, as in ‘remind me to tell you the “Beaker” story one day’ but I don’t think you ever have. My neo Purple Star looks to be the same as Nevs but yours is truly stunning … I adore the BIG neos too.

Ian, my neo Medusa threw grass pups when it was very young and they have been very slow to get to any size. Medusa is a great pupper as I must have taken 8 or more normal pups from mine and she still looks pretty healthy so I expect to see more yet.

It stopped raining for about 10 mins this arvo so I dashed out and took a few group photos in the shadehouse, I'll attach a few.

Bye for now, Shirley

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 19, 2013
11:53 AM

Post #9424482

Hi everyone, another nice fine day down here so back out into the garden for more work again today.

Breeindy – Your name tag which says “Neo. Burle-marxii ssp meeana” is correct, there is such a Neo which is a species and there are pictures of it on the FCBS Photo Index .
Go to: http://fcbs.org/pictures.htm and just scroll down until you find the name.

However, just to complicate things further, there is also a Neo. 'Burle Marx' which was registered sometime before 1990 and shown on the BCR but unfortunately there's no picture – The seed parent is a c.v. of Neo Tristis and the pollen parent is unknown.
See: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3400#3400

Your Neo. 'Dark Star' will certainly be something worth waiting for if it turns out anything like the picture you've posted, but the plant registered on the BCR by Keith Golinski and bred by Alan Freeman and also shown on the FCBS Photo Index as Neo.'Dark Star' looks different altogether.
see: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3843#3843

This can happen when the two pic's are taken at different times of the plants maturity and as we all know Neo's seem to have changes of colour all the time until they are mature, some changes are very subtle while others are quite distinct. When a plant is registered they ask for a picture of a mature plant and the ones on the BCR and the FCBS are just that as they are in flower, however the plant in your pic is mature as well as it shows it has flowered also . Unless they were both grown under very different conditions I suspect they are two different plants, but the bottom line is, no matter which plant it is, they are both nice plants and you've got a good 'un either way.

What you say about Neo. 'Stars and Bars' and Neo. 'Big Mac' looking alike is very true and I can see the Neo. Concentrica influence in both of them, but just out of curiosity, which is which?

With your Ques. 'Tim Ploughman', don't be tempted to remove the pup as I have been told by a man who grows this plant to perfection that it's best to let it clump up. If you remove a single pup, it will sulk for quite a while before it starts to re-establish itself but when it's allowed to grow undisturbed into a clump it really looks spectacular. See the pic's on the BCR at:.
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=QUESNELIA&id=7974#7974

Sue – I can understand your frustration with the constant rain and work in the garden to catch up on, but one thing you can be sure of and that's when the rain stops, all of your work will still be there for you.

I love those little Neo. punctatissimas and the other little yellow mini's you have around your garden and could you please put me down for a pup when you get a spare? I have an Aechmea NOID given to me a few years back by a friend in Victoria to see if I could flower it. I've had no luck either and as it has a couple of good size pups, I'd like to send one up to you to see what it will do in a warmer climate as we're all curious as to what it is.

Trish – Don't worry about your Vr 'Iced Vo Vo', it'll bounce back given a bit of care. I once got some Vr. Phillipo-Cobergii pups sent to me in one of those Express Post satchels and when they arrived, they had been squashed flat. The courier lady said she had commented to the staff at the mail exchange when she collected it as it was on the floor with other boxes on top of it, but all she got were “blank looks”. The lady who sent it told me she often sent pups like that with never a problem before, but of course if there was a problem it naturally had to be my plants didn't it? Anyway, I soaked them in the “Magic Potion”, potted them up and “Seasolled” them and followed up the Seasol two weeks later and six months down the track there was no evidence of the stress they had been through, which proves just how tough Vrieseas really are.

Trish, Rob Smythe has had a few health issues in the last year, but if you ring first I'm sure he would be more than happy to have you visit as he's just so passionate about his brom's and loves nothing more than passing on his wealth of knowledge. I had told some friends about him and when they were returning from caravan trip up north just recently, they rang him, said I told them to look him up and were welcomed like long lost friends; but just ring first and say I told you to make contact, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

Don't chase Neo. 'Running River' on EBay, I have a spare I'm sure (I'll confirm tomorrow) and I can send it to you and somewhere down the track you can send me something I'm after in return.

Ian – That's an interesting pic of your Neo. 'Medusa': I would definitely say what looks like grass is a brom but which one? Is it a grass pup? I've never had any on my plants before but as we know with brom's, “anything is possible”. When I look at your pic more closely though, it doesn't seem to be attached to the base of the adult plant. Is it possible it's a “self sown” seedling? What ever it is, it will be interesting to find out and see what it turns out like and as you say, “it will grow to a decent size in a reasonable time” and the anticipation in the waiting is what makes brom growing so interesting.

With your Nid. NOID, it looks a bit like one I have called Nid. Procerum var. 'Kermesianum', but when I looked it up on the FCBS species Photo Index under “Procerum”, it says “was Nid. Procerum var. Kermesianum'', It says "was" but it doesn't say what it "is now", I so I guess I'll have to start a bit of detective work and find out.

Shirley – Your Neo 'Enchantment' with such rich colour looks very different to the plant I bought with that name. I know you said you've only just taken off your first pup (and you probably have a long waiting list), but could you add my name to it also please for when you get a spare?

I checked out those Ae. 'Forest Fires' which I've just potted up and one already has a pup, but unfortunately it's the green one so I'm afraid you'll have a bit of a wait, but your name is top of the list for the first of the darker “orangey” coloured ones. I did find a few seedlings from the last batch I did, and they are about 3” high and in urgent need of re-potting, but you're welcome to them and I'll post them to you next week. Given some fresh potting mix and a bit of fertiliser they'll really “take off” (especially this weather) as they should have been potted on two years ago.

Which plant exactly is it in the “make over” you ask for the name of, is it that “blotchy” one on the left of the albo-marginated plant?

It's interesting that you can add some more to the “Medusa Story” as I discussed with Ian above. I wonder if you took the pups off when they are smaller (like they do with the Alcantareas) they would grow any quicker. I'm also wondering why they are throwing grass pups in the first place. I don't remember ever reading about its parents Neo.'Meyendorffii' (variegated) and Neo. (concentrica x carolinae) as usually throwing “grass pups”. I know it has been tissue cultured, so maybe the genes could have been disturbed during this process and be the cause. Do you know if your plants are from tissue culture, and what about yours Ian?

I've just looked at your pic's and WOW! What a kaleidoscope of colour you've put together for us. I have a lot of beautifully coloured plants as well, but I certainly don't have the skill for arrangement that you have – how about coming down and sorting mine out for me?

Everybody - Let's have a little competition: If you could have just one plant from all of those shown in Shirley's pic's today, which one would it be?

Well that's it for another day and now for a few pic's to finish. Pic.1 is one of six different clones of Neo 'Cruenta' I have, Pic.2 is Neo. 'Burbank Variegata', Pic.3 is Neo. 'Fairy Tale', Pic.4 Nid. 'Litmus'; It's one you've all seen before but the colour is still changing and getting darker all the time. Finally Pic.5 is Nid. Procerum var. Kermesianum, (At least that's what was on the tag when I bought it)

All the best, Nev.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 19, 2013
12:52 PM

Post #9424532

good morning all...or is it? It rained all night, the ground is sodden, and the wind is just getting started. Ideal conditions for falling trees! groan.
I managed to get the plants on one side of the igloo up onto inverted trays to get them out of the mud, yesterday afternoon when there was a break in the weather. I only got two leeches, but got them before they got me!
Anyway, I am glad you all like Neo. 'Running Red River' I know there has been a discussion about the name, and some call it 'Red River' but I will stick to the name tag for now. When it comes into pup, i shall let you all know. The one I have is the last pup from the first one I bought, as I sold off the others to get my money back. As you do.
I agree, bree, about N. 'Predator' being a good one. you can't go past it for standing out in a crowd. I also agree with Nev, about your Quesnelia 'Tim Plowman' or any of the marmorata cultivars. I can attest to the fact that they DO sulk if seperated. Billbergias are a little bit the same, so to divide a clump, it is often wise to cut through the stolon (woody stems that join mother plant to pup) between two mature plants, leaving a mature plant witha pup attached. leave them in the same pot for sometime, then when you upend the pot, you can pull the plant with pup away as an independent plant. I have just done this with the big pot of B. 'Hallelujah' and managed to get two pots with two big colourful plants in each, as well as leaving three mature plants with smaller pups behind, to continue my stock. It worked really well, with the plants having good sized root systems.
Trish, that humidity is terrible. Its bad enough here, but I bet its worse there? I managed to walk the dogs yesterday afternoon, and had a good lather up by the time I got back.
No such thing as a good grass hopper, and that darned thing got away. there are many types here, but I also have alot of assassin bugs in the garden, and quite often spy one munching on a grass hopper, so there is some natural control going on. It madde a difference cutting the grass, because its a bit hardder for them to hide from the predators. We don't get those large locusts often, or in many numbers thank goodness.
Ian, i have never seen grass pups on a neoregelia. I think N. 'Medusa' if bought from bigW or Bunnings, are probably tissue cultured. It could be the reason? as nev Suggests. I have a guzmania 'Hilde' that gets grass pups, and its a wonderfull way to propagate it! It would have been a tissue culture plant originally.
Shirley, i will find a book and start a list! I will put you down for 'RRR' and Nev, I do rememeber you mentioning the tiger minis in the past, and i am positive I can scratch a couple up for you. They look much nicer if they have a friend! heh heh
Shirley, i am a scrounger when it comes to logs! On our travels, i spotted so much dead wood, mainly through VIC, and hubby would not let me bring any of it home! It was a bit unfair, as we did have room in the back of the ute. mind you, its a 100 metre walk to the state forrest from here, so i guess i could take the ute up the fire trails and find some pieces locally? I always make them with the intention of selling them, but can't part with them if they look good. hopeless!
Your photos are just stunning for all that colour! I see alot of familiar broms there, and thought the one in the first pic, bottom left, resembled RRR, what is that one? If i was allowed to choose one, it would be the vriesea gruberi in the last pic.
Nev, that nidularium procerum Var. kermesianum, does that differ from straight procerum because of the reddish hue of the leaves?
Anyway, I have a few things to do this morning, while the rain is not yet falling, so i'd better get a wriggle on
while checking out Neos in my quest for a favourite, i took a few shots.
Photo one is Neo. 'Cockabell' Did you want a pup of this also nev, or did i send one yet?
Photo two is Neo. 'Fosperior Perfection' a pup that needs repotting into a new pot. (old Mum passed on...awwwww)
Photo three is Neo. 'Jewellery Shop' ready for the sales table.
Photo four is Neo. 'Mister Odean' still quite a small plant

Photo five is Neo. 'Spots N Dots' turned quite tubby in good light.
ok, see you all tomorrow
Sue


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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 19, 2013
5:03 PM

Post #9424754

Hello everyone. I have just been out watering before the big heat hits us again.
The broms seem to love it no matter how hot.
I have been looking at all your pics and I see some that I have but the color in mine is not as bright .
Probably due to the longer cold spell here before any real heat.

I have neo Enchantment ... not as pretty as yours Shirley, but its still young.

I just bought another bill (amoena var. viridis) as the amoena Selby Sidel that I have is so lovely.

My poelmanii White Line has arrived and I will get a pic as soon as a couple of others arrive .

If I had to choose a favorite from my broms, it would be bill. Hallelujah, at the moment. The clump is so colorful. I will be splitting it soon and will take careful note to do as Sue did.

My favorite brom in Shirleys pics would have to be in the last pic of the vrieseas...I like the look of the large one at the back on the right.
Of course I like them all, they are vrieseas...
I'm getting recognise various typesof broms now.

pic 1...neo Enchantment
pic 2..my bill. amoena Selby Sidel.

Jean.

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ianperry

February 20, 2013
2:49 AM

Post #9425142

Hi aall, another day and another look at my Medusa plants, they all have grasses of various sizes. I wouldn't doubt that the ones I have are clones. I bought them from Bunnings and have no idea who their supplier might be. I have included the label just in case someone recognises this identification system. The vertical leaves in the centre do not look like anything that I have seen before.
I recieved some more plants from ebay purchases today, I think that is the last of them for a while. I will in the future be looking for N Very Cherry, I have Oh No and Oh No Very Cherry and I would like to test Nevs theory that a X has been left out of the name.
If I was to choose 1 of Shirleys plants it would be the Varigated(white centred, green margined) Vr in Pic 5
Have a good one
Ian

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 20, 2013
2:49 AM

Post #9425143

Hi everyone, it has been overcast here today but no rain and it’s very windy tonight.

Nev, I have added neo Enchantment against your name for a pup. I’m looking forward to getting the Ae Forest Fires seedlings, thanks. Yes, Nev, it’s that “blotchy” one on the left of the albo-marginated plant that I was asking about as it looks very interesting.

Nev, I don’t know if my neo Medusa is a tissue cultured plant but I suspect it is as it’s leaves are kind of wavy, a bit like those of neo Shelldance but the pups all have nice smooth leaves.

And if I had to pick just one plant from all of my broms … gee, that’s hard as I love them all. Vr Megan or Vr Forest (both just pups) but I wouldn’t give either of them up, also Ae Fasciata Variegata and I wouldn’t part with either neo Enchantment or Manoa Beauty ... and then there’s Neophytum Galactic Warrior. Just one … not a chance.

Sue, we have had so much rain here too and now the wind, as you mentioned, ideal conditions for falling trees. We had a big one come down a couple of weeks ago … we haven’t started to cut it up and move it … such a big job.

The neo you asked about is Hazel Mac, it’s just a little one, grows to maybe 20 cm across. That one in the pic is a mature plant so you can see how small it is compared to neo Fiesta on its right. I think neo Hazel Mac would look really nice in a group … maybe I’ll try it on a log when I get a few pups.

Jean, nice pics … your neo Enchantment is albo marginated, where mine isn’t. I have seen an albo marginated one on eBay though. Your bill ameona Selby Sidel is a stunner, such a lovely colour.

That’s all, folks … my pics are 1 Ae Orlandiana Rainbow, 2 neo Tangerine, 3 Vr Rosy’s Sister, 4 Vr Gigantea Nova, 5 not a brom but a stunning Frangipani, Darwin Blood

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ianperry

February 20, 2013
2:50 AM

Post #9425144

Pic 1 Medusa with grass

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 20, 2013
3:02 AM

Post #9425150

Hi Everyone!

I am very happy today because I managed to find a name for one of my Neo’ NOIDS that reminded me of Bubblegum and that’s what I wrote on its label as a “Pet Name”, anyway low and behold it’s proper name is actually “Bubblegum”. Bred by Alan Freeman and Registered by Keith Golinski, registration #516-94-46, not much more info than that in the BSI but when I looked around some other websites today they indicated it as (Fairy Tale x Two Tone) and grows to about 60cm diam. I think it definitely has Fairy Tale characteristic? Pic 1 - is the photo as found in the BSI - photo by Keith Golinski of Neo’ ‘Bubblegum’ (for comparison). Pic 2 – is a picture of my Neo’ ‘Bubblegum’. I am sure it is the same Neo, what does everyone reckon?

Hi Ian, I was surprised to see grass pups on your Neo’ ‘Medusa’, how interesting for this to occur on a Neo, how unusual?

Hi Shirley Oh My Gosh what a fantastic lot of wonderful brom pics you posted, they look so happy and healthy, you are clearly doing a wonderful job with them. It was very hard to decide given they are all magnificent looking, but if I had to choose my favourite out of the beauties would have to be the big chestnut brown looking neo with the hot pink centre in your Pic 1 - top left/hand/side, what is that one it’s exquisite?

Hi Nev thanks yeah I have great faith that Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’ will be ok, a good majority of its leaves are up and alert, only a couple of droopy one’s left now but they are up and off the floor in our entertainment area which is great.

Thanks Nev I will definetly look up Rob Smythe when I get the chance and will let him know that you kindly told me about him. I cannot wait to meet him and am sure I will be blown away by his extensive knowledge of bromeliads and of his collection.

Thanks Nev that would be great if you could spare a pup of Neo’ ‘Running River’ if and when you can and by all means as soon as I have pups ready of what you are after I will send you same.

Nev your Pic 3 of Neo’ ‘Fairy Tale’ has similarities to that of Neo’ ‘Bubble Gum’ wouldn’t you say? I adore your Pic 4 Nid’ ‘Litmus’ given that purple is my favourite colour; I can’t believe how deeper the purple has got since you last posted a pic last year.

Hi Sue sounds like you got a bit done around the garden in between showers. Yeah the humidity gets up to around 90 after it rains, and when it’s dry about 55 / 60, so yeah the sweat just pours off you even doing simple tasks like blinking you’ eye lids, getting the mail or taking the rubbish out LOL.

Sue luved all your broms pics, especially Pic 4 Neo’ ‘Mr Odean’, I have a couple in my garden and really like them because they are just such a hardy brom and pretty different to some of my others so adds great contrast to our garden.

Hi Jean like you I really luv Vrieseas. It is great to hear that you are starting to recognise more and more broms. I enjoy recognising them but what excites me even more is coming across one I don’t recognise and discovering something new or a NOID that finally has a name like above example with Neo’ ‘Bubblegum’.

Anyway time to put the kettle on.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 20, 2013
3:03 AM

Post #9425151

Ian, you posted while I was copy/pasting my post. My neo Medusa came from Bunnings and is sort of similar to yours, I’ll add a pic. I think the vriesea you mention in my pic is Vr Highway Beauty.

Shirley

Ian, your post seems to have disappeared while I was typing, along with the pic of your neo Medusa that was there … what is happening ??

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works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 20, 2013
3:04 AM

Post #9425152

Trish, you posted while I was answering Ian’s original post ... I'll be back later,

Shirley

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 20, 2013
3:45 AM

Post #9425163

Nev- thanks for those links. 1. Stars and Bars left, Big Mac right. Yeah my Dark Star probably isnt like the picture and i'll probably never know now im growing it in different conditions so it'll look different for me anyway. Is Red river the same as running red river? or are they different plants?
My favourite in Shirleys picture is that front varigated one in her 5th picture also, Highway Beauty wasnt it? Im still after that one. Then i like the other varigated one on the right next to it with the red in it.
2 & 3. Heres my small pups tagged Red River. 4. Had to throw in a pic. of the cute bull near us, i notice he has some flies on him looking at the photo.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 20, 2013
1:59 PM

Post #9425745

Hi everyone – It looks like I couldn't do any work today if I wanted to as it's been raining all night and still it continues. It doesn't matter though as today is Thursday, and my day to volunteer at the Illawarra Light Railway Museum, so today I go and play trains instead of brom's.

Sue – It's raining here also, but that's probably my own fault as I watered yesterday and gave everything a good deep watering prior to the liquid feed they were to get today before I go to the museum. Unfortunately, it now looks like there's no dinner for the brom's until (hopefully) tomorrow.

There are many brom's now turning up with “River” names (most of which are unregistered) and I can see a future “can of worms” with the various “River” names in the future if we don't sort it out now!

The list of these “River” names continues to grow and just the ones I have seen “popping up” are 'Pink River', 'Wild River', 'White River', Ice 'River', 'Running River', 'Running Red River' and Red Running River. (There are also probably a few more that I'm not aware of). The thing is that all of these names are attached to plants that look remarkably just like the two registered plants; 'Red River' and 'Ice White River'.

These are the only two that are officially registered, and they were both hybrids made by Shane Zaghini and registered in 1996. They were from the same crossing of Neo. 'Marble Throat' x Neo 'Yellow Sand'. (Interestingly, Shane Zaghini currently has 68 of his Neo. hybrids registered, including one of my very favourites, Neo.'Apricot Nectar')

Sue, like me, you choose to keep the name that was on your plant when you purchased it presumably until such time as you can be convinced that it is incorrect and can be shown proof of this and the correct name. We must always remember what Derek Butcher said though, “Never trust the name on a label” and always try and prove that it is the correct name.

I think the unregistered name of 'Red Running River' has been added by some growers at some stage due to confusion with the names of the registered Neo.'Red River' and the unregistered Neo.'Running River' in much the same manner as the names of Neo. 'Ice River' (unreg.) and Neo.'White River' (unreg.) have been confused or are a corruption of the registered name of Neo. 'Ice White River'.

Whether or not the name is correct is of secondary importance to our enjoyment of the plant itself, but there's one simple way we can all help to sort this mess out and that is, with any plants with “questionable” names that aren't registered, just add (unreg.) after the name. That way no one is confused as it clearly shows that it is an unregistered name.

Sorry about that little “outburst” now back to the discussions in the posts.

Sue that's all good advice about the Billbergias and I would also like to add, “that if you want to multiply them quickly, feed them with a high nitrogen fertiliser; but be warned, they will probably lose all of their colour and revert back to green foliage until such times as the nitrogen has all been use up. Remember high nitrogen will rob Bill's of their colour more so than any other bromeliads.

You mention about the Assassin Bugs eating the Grass Hoppers; I've never seen any Assassin Bugs down here so I didn't know anything about them so I looked them up on the WWW, see:
http://gizmodo.com/5908188/unbelievable-assassin-bug-wears-its-victims-corpses-as-armor

My question to Sue is: Are the Assassin Bugs we have here the same as, and with the same weird habits as those in Malaysia which are mentioned in the above short article?

Great colour in the plants you've posted Sue, I especially love the colour in your Neo.'Spots and Dots' and the one you swapped with me is doing great and yes you did send me a pup of Neo 'Cockabell' thanks very much.

Jean – They're nice pic's of your Neo 'Enchantment' and Bill.'Selby- Siedel'. You say your Neo.'Enchantment is still quite young and you're correct in saying it will get more colour, (especially if given a well lit area to grow in).

Your Bill named Amoena Selby-Seidel is now named just Bill.'Selby-Seidel' and like most of the c.v.'s from species, for some reason known only to the “Powers That Be” the species name has now been “dropped”. The interesting description in the BCR tells us the following:
“cv. of amoena v. amoena - Beadle said, "18" wide open many-leafed rosette with stolons to 24" - violet blue shading toward center in lower light conditions - rosette becomes red in high light - typical amoena inflorescence - originally from Seidel to Selby". Amoena Group”

Ian – I don't recognise the grower who uses that sort of name tag but it is the same as the ones that were in the Medusa plants being sold at Bunnings down here as well. As for the unusual shaped centre leaves in your plant, this is and example of tissue culturing where the grower/s have been greedy or non-selective and grown on as many plants as they can, regardless of deformities in the search for the almighty dollar.

Tissue culturing is an exacting procedure which starts from the planting of the original apical meristem on a sterile culture in a flask. As these grow, they are divided, and each one becomes another plant. There are casualties along the way where these divided pieces are sometimes damaged when being excised and this is where the technician needs to be selective and discard these damaged pieces otherwise they will grow on to become deformed plants.

Some of these deformities are obvious in the early stages of growth while other don't become obvious until the plant flowers. The thing is that the obvious deformities should be “culled” and this doesn't always happen, that's why we get the occasional deformed foliage or flowers on some brom's. Sometimes (rarely) after three or four generations of pups the deformed plant will correct the problem itself and the plants can look normal again but it's more often they don't.

Ian, are the “grassies” on the same Neo. 'Medusa' as the plant you posted the other day or a different one?

Shirley – That plant you ask about is a seedling from the cross Neo.'Black Onynx' x Neo 'Africa'. It's not what I expected from that cross but it still has a bit of growing to do and the first pups (when they arrive) will give a truer account of what it looks like.

Once again they're great pic's you have posted and I especially like Ae Orlandiana 'Rainbow', and Neo 'Tangerine'. The Vrieseas are very nice too but I've talked myself out of liking them as I don't have sufficient space to grow them so no good getting attached to something you can't have.

Trish – Wow! A bit of mental telepathy going on between you and Keith Golinski isn't there? Were you able to psyche him through mental telepathy into calling that Neo 'Bubblegum'? How did you manage it?

Comparing the two pictures I think they do look like the same plant. I like the shape of yours better than the Bromagic one, but then the Bromagic one was probably one of thousands and didn't get the TLC that yours got either.

Breendy – In answer to your question about Neo 'Red River', see what I wrote in my response to Sue above.

Your two plants do look like Neo.'Red River' to me at this stage, but they have a bit of growing to do yet and as I've said before, the different light can give very different results to colours.

I love the bull, almost as much as I'd love the “T-Bones” from him, Ha! Ha!, just joking.

Time to go, and I'm running late again, sorry. No pic's today.

All the best, Nev

springer99

springer99
Queensland
Australia

February 20, 2013
5:01 PM

Post #9425950

Hi Everyone, I hope you are all well and have recovered from any damaging winds and rains. What a start to the year. Usually it is us up here in the North getting all these rains and winds... but not this year... so far a VERY dry wet season in deed.
Gee I love the Summer colour you guys get down south, fantastic photos everyone, our broms lose colour up here due to extra cloth to save burn.
Well apologies for not being here much, I have a lot going on at the moment and I am helping to care for a sick family member which has been taking up quite a lot of my time and meaning I have been doing quite a lot of living away from home.
I must say the poor broms have been left to look after themselves for the most part just lately, so I am so glad we did the automatic timer on the irrigation... well we had to because of what we knew I was facing with being away from home. It has been working well and the broms in the brom houses are doing well. I had to increase the waterings to I think it's 4 times a day now that it comes on, as they were just getting too hot still. Lost 3 I think to cup rot, just from getting too hot, so that is a lot better than last years disaster with cup rot.
I keep complaining we have TOO many, yet we seem to still be buying... what is up with that? Mind you, we buy FAR less often now... but the ones we do buy cost a whole lot more. I also find I am not overly impressed with a lot of the new hybrids kicking around. I think there are too many people dabbling in seeds and not being responsible when it comes to the culling process. I do understand that when it's taken several years to grow a seed up, you are pretty attached to it, but it needs to unique and different and Not easily mistaken as something else. I of course am NOT talking from experience, I have not grown any up that far yet, so I just hope I will have the good sense to take my own advice and cull the majority. In fact the amount of similar seedlings being registered and shown has actually put me off seed growing quite a bit. I am not doing anywhere near as many crosses as I use to and am only now bothering with plants I think have good potential of creating something different, I also go and look up the seed parents in the registry and if there are heaps already done with them... I leave it alone. My hubby has really been learning a lot, and he is trying a quite a few intergeneric crosses so good luck to him. I have done a couple, but it's more his thing at the moment.
So anyway, I want to have a big clean out of broms, I say it all the time and we have cleared quite a few, but I still can't see any space... they just keep pupping, lol. So it's time to be ruthless (sure sure) and really make a dent in things and clear some space. I keep telling hubby, no more until we sell some. It has slowed him down I must say.
I just find it disappointing when I find some of my treasures in the brom house that have ended up tucked under something else and haven't had enough light and they have gone long and strappy. It takes ages for them to get back to their nice shape. Or you just have to wait on pups, again. My little Tunisa pup I removed in Winter was looking nice, but... now strappy! ppffttt. All because things are over crowding.
But everytime we try to do a big clear out, we can't agree on what needs to go, or we just reshuffle things to keep them, which doesn't really solve the issues. All I really need... Is and BIGGER brom house, ha ha ha ha ha ha. Gee if we owned this place I think it would be covered completely in shade cloth.
Well enough of my space grumbles, it's nice to have so many that I don't have enough space and that is the way I should look at it. 2 years ago I would never of dreamed we'd have so many beautiful broms.
Here is two of our latest additions that we have waited a long time for and saved up to get, we were very lucky to get them privately and not through ebay as we really couldn't afford those prices.
Both are just babies and fingers crossed will grow into stunners.

Aechmea Roberto Menescal
Neoregelia Red Opal


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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 20, 2013
7:23 PM

Post #9426140

Good afternoon...kind of.
We are having these 1-2 minute heavy showers, about every 15 minutes! Me, the drama queen, th wind didn't get as bad as I had thought, and we got gusts that lasted 1-2 minutes, every 15 minutes or so. What is with this weather? Its supposed to worsen over the next couple of days, but hopefully it wont wash us away.
Jean, I wish i could send some Rain to you and the folks in VIC and SA. It was very dry when we passed through VIC. Your broms are looking healthy, despite the lack of colour you mentioned. It is usually light related, rather than temperature, and can also be affected with fertiliser containing high nitrogen. You could try experimenting with some direct early morning sun to get some of the vibrant colours some other growers are getting. Its not easy to get the right ammount, but a little at a time will make a difference.
Ian, I believe the Vriesea of shirleys that you admired is V. Highway beauty' or V. 'Ro Ro' (I still can't tell the two apart, despite them having supposedly different parentage) I didn't recognise the label on you N. 'Medusa' pot. We don't get too many bromeliads in store at Bunnings or bigW, except for table topper Guz,anias and vrieseas. I did spot a Neo. 'Painted Delight' in BigW today, for close to $17. I was sorely tempted. I paid $15 for mine, as a large rooted pup. The BigW plant was very green, but not a bad price if someone knew what it was. I left it there and will look again next week to see if it is still there, if so, its mine. I really don't need more broms.
Shirley, if only we lived closer, as w could help clear your fallen tree in exchange for firewood. We haven't had a tree come down here for a few years now (touch wood).
I like your N. 'Hazel Mac' I have a feeling I have commented on it before? Your Neo. 'Tangerine' is also a stunner, and I love your red Frangi! I have one that came ffrom darwin, so we call it Darwin Red, but the flowers are quite narrow petaled.
I hope you are all battened down for the weather we are supposed to get. Cross your fingers its not as bad as predicted.
Trish, the two N. 'bubblegum's certainly look similar. I would hate to give a definite answer on it, but I would tentatively say they could be the same.
Your experience with V. 'Iced Vo Vo' reminded me that I once bought a brom that came in a padded bag, and of course it was squashed. Luckily it was only young, so as it grew those crushed leaves soon disappeared. I left bad feedback for the seller, as I tried numerous times to contact her to resolve it. Of course, she didn't respond untill after i left the negative feedback. I knew the plant would survive, but was annoyed as i had asked for it to be boxed, as the description on the add said it would be sent by express satchel, which is just crazy! She charged me $10 postage too. Cheeky. I notice she still has exhorbitant postage charges, but if she has changed her practice and is sending things well packaged, it would be worth it, as she has nice plants...but pity about the attitude.
i must admit, i am guilty of sending broms in recycled beer, wine and bundy cartons, but have never had any feedback about damaged broms, except in the case of the Blanchy i sent to you, which i think i packaged pretty darn well. I hate doing mail order broms now. Once its out of my hands, i just can't be responsible for it. I've decided not to do any Ebay broms, but will just stick to my good customers around here.
that Neo. 'Mister odean' has the most amazing leathery leaves. Its a funny plant. Glad you like yours too, and yes, so different, like wood, to look at.
Bree, Your Neo. 'Red River' looks the same as RRR, and I think in the bromeliad photo index, there is only a listing for Neo. 'Red River' so I'm really not sure. That vriesea you admired of shirleys is v. 'Sunset'. I have a couple of those, so if you want, I can put one aside for if you get down this way? I love those Brahman cattle and the murray greys too. Who cares about a few flies? sheesh. As long as they're outside!
Nev, thanks for the info on the red river saga. Putting (unreg) on the label makes alot of sense. I guess Shane would be the man to talk to about the various names. i think he is on FB, so i will see if i can quizz him about them.
As for fertilising the Billbergias when trying for more pups, i wouldn't dare! heh heh. I do give them a very small ammount of slow release pellets, but I hate the lanky leaves they get with too much fert, so prefer them to be slower growing, but with good shpe and colour. keeping them in maximum light seems to help with the leaf shape when they have been fertilised. I grow my other pots of B. 'Hallelujah' out in full sun, with minimal damage on a hot day. they are one tough variety!
I have opened the link on asassin bugs to red later, so i will get back to you on that one.
Nice to see you drop in Tash. i hope everything is not too stressfull with the family tending you are doing? I can sypathise with you on cup rot! i have lost a total of four trays so far, but nothing expensive or rare. Still, a bit disappointing. I think, like you, it as to do with the heat back in January. meanwhile, its clean up, throw out and carry on. the silver lining? more room!
I love your two new additions. I hope to do the same eventually, and use the plants i have now as a stepping stone to getting nicer ones. I still have probelms parting with some though, even though i might have nore than one of that variety. its a sickness, thats for sure!
Anyway, i will see what pics are left on the SD card, to share.
The first photo is one of leisaDs plants, bought down to the shade house to see how much colour it will get. It is Neo.'Little people'
Photo two is the pot of Billbergia 'Hallelujah' that I bought green. It has coloured up well, and pupped.
photo three is my Neo. 'Hannibal Lector' seedlings. I only kept 5
photo four is the undersides of the same seedlings.
photo five is our mango crop for the season.
Sue

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 20, 2013
8:18 PM

Post #9426181

Finally, some of my broms have arrived. still 2 more to come ( unless I weaken and see more I NEED)

pic 1...vr. Chieftan x Angela (plant 4)

pic 2...vr poelmanii White Line and vr, Snows of Mauna Kea x Red Chestnut ( so lovely )

pic 4...vr. David Shiigi hybrid...(isnt he just a beautiful boy ?)
Do I always just call him a hybrid as he only came with that label

pic 3...one of 3 pups on pic 1 ( sorry for the side view, it wont turn round)

Sorry about the numbers, DG swapped them

I am so pleased at the large size of the broms. The ones in pics 1 & 3 are about 12"across.
All beautifully packed too, unlike those mentioned above.
Jean.



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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 20, 2013
8:38 PM

Post #9426199

I have a couple of queries if someone will be kind enough to enlighten me.

pic 1.. this is a large brom I have had for years with no name . It looks really healthy and is about 3 foot across .
I see that there are faint daker splotches on the leaves and it lightens toward the centre. it is prickly .

pic 2...I have tried before to get an ID on this one. It has grown to be also about 3 foot across.
It has 1 large pup on a stolon at the side and another nearly as large among the leaves .
You can see the white flowers in the center.
The tag it was sold with said neo Crispa, but I have not been able to find that name.

pic 3...this pathetic thing is one of two aech. fasciata primeras. This has always grown like it is . All narrow and brown looking . The tips of the center leaves are green but never do anything.
The other plant is not as brown and narrow but is still not very healthy. They are treated the same as all the broms and live in the same place..
I have had them for several years and really wanted them to grow and flower as I like the type of plant.
It has not been in the sun, it just goes brown and dead looking on the ends.
Any tips or should I just toss them and look for another ?

pic 4... just a pic I took while in the greenhouse. I like this fellow, neo Bill Morris.
At first glance he's a bit of a rough nut but I like his rugged good looks. Sort of a Humphrey Bogart type.

Jean.


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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 20, 2013
9:26 PM

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Sue- thanks for the offer but i just bought a V. Sunset. Love your Hannibal Lector seedlings, how come one is really different to the others? I also had a good crop of mangos this year and we only have one mango tree, its only about as tall as a person and its the first fruiting of it.
My shelldance hasnt pupped, it just keeps getting taller and taller with a longer stem.
Just thought id ask if anyone had a spare Highway Beauty, Kahala Dawn, Goldilocks or Lava and Lime before i went out and bought them.

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ianperry

February 21, 2013
1:21 AM

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Hi all, Had a quick look around and got carried back inside by flying stinging insects. Tomorrow I will try Len Trottman's recipe and see if it works for me.
Nev all my Medusa look the same clone and all have had or have grasses. @ of them are trying to flower and the other 2 are not interested, by the look of them. I wonder what will happen, not only to the pups but also to the seedlings if I am lucky enough to fertilise and grow them. I hope to self them. I will experiment with anything I can.
My eyes are good today

Sue from Hannibal lector gives me an example of what i can expect with variations when raising plants from seed

Tash I saw Ae Roberto menescal and gave it a wide berth due to finances, but maybe in the next couple of years I will get 1

Jean That Bill Morris looks familiar, I have 1 very similar but unnamed. Your purchases look great and i can't help with the others.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 N Lime and lave I just bought
Pic2 A Neo mini

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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 21, 2013
4:07 AM

Post #9426339

Hi Everyone!

Hi Shirley / Ian looks like I missed your posts yesterday I was in a bit of a hurry to post my thread and get up and go to bed as it was getting a bit late for me. Normally I post and jump back in and check but not yesterday.

Hi Shirley nice pic you posted of your Neo’ ‘Medusa’ that you got from Bunnings. We have 2 x Bunnings stores here with another being built but their range of broms are very disappointing and they do not look after them well, I am forever picking up pots that people have knocked over, putting labels back into pots that have fallen out and have even resorted to moving some into more shade when I have spotted them in direct sun. Maybe I should get a job there LOL.

Hi Bree cute Bull. Nice pups of your Neo’ ‘Red River’, I like how they have taken on different colours is that because you have them in different light?

Bree unfortunately I still don’t have pups from Neo’ ‘Lime & Lava’ or ‘Kahala Dawn’, and don’t own any of the others except for one closely related to ‘Highway Beauty’ which is 'RoRo' but I only have the one pup so far which I want to keep in case I don’t get any others and mother dies. I can write you down for pups when they are ready, just let me know?

Hi Nev thanks for the info on all the different “River” names. I think I have ‘Red River’, ‘Pink River’, ‘White River’ and ‘Ice White River’, amazing that only two of the whole lot you mention are the only ones that are registered (‘Red River’ and ‘Ice White River’). I am going to take your great advice on writing “unreg” on my brom labels to spare any confusion on any unregistered broms I have in my collection.

Nev I have never seen an Assassin Bug before, what a freaky looking insect and totally creepy what it does with its victims. So tough for something so small; how fascinating? Not something you would want landing in your plate if you were outside enjoying a bbq lunch with all that body armour looking up at you screaming “SAVE US”. LOL.

Nev I can’t take all the credit with Neo’ ‘Bubblegum’ as I originally purchased it off Germaine but at the time it did not have a label and when I asked Germaine if it had a name she asked me what it reminded me of and I said “Bubblegum” and she laughed and said that’s exactly the pet name she had given it originally as when she first acquired the brom it did not have a name but she said it was just too pretty to not have a name, even a pet name. Anyway when I got home I wrote ‘Bubblegum’ as a pet name on a label and I am going to ring Germaine this weekend to let her know that I think she was right when it came to the pet name she had given it. I am sure she will be very pleased and am sure she will let me know if she agrees or not when I show her the images for comparison.

Nev guess who I rang today…Rob Smythe thanks to you. Both Rob and his Wife were wonderful on the phone and I had a good talk with both of them. Rob said to hey a BIG hello and spoke highly of you. I am looking at catching up with Rob possibly this weekend if all goes well if not I will organise another weekend to meet him. I am really looking forward to seeing his 3 dimensional garden and am sure I will be totally blown away by his extensive collection and am looking forward to just sitting with him over a cup of tea and talk broms. I would also like to see the newsletter that he writes and the book he has written I believe both to be about broms but will know more when I meet him?

Hi Tash great to hear from you, sounds like you have been busy with your broms and need a bigger brom house. I adored the pics you posted, such sought after broms. My husband had been eying off one that looked like you’re Pic one (but only a very small pup) on EBay the other day and was totally blow away on what it went for $600+ twice as the seller had a couple of pups. I think the seller was from NSW? Sure your new baby purchases will grow into stunners, can you please post pics when they mature?

Hi Sue thanks for your feedback on Neo’ ‘Bubblegum’, I’m feeling pretty confident but am going to see what Rob Smythe reckons on the weekend and show him pics for comparison also and see if he has any growing in his garden?

Sue I think Joe paid a fair bit on postage for Vr. ‘Iced VoVo’ so yeah like you I reckon it was pathetic how poorly it was packed. Anyway I am over it now and just making sure I keep a close eye on her for the next couple of weeks until she recovers.

Yeah your right Sue Neo’ ‘Mr Odean’ does look like wood to look at, what a great description. Are they slow to pup as they appear slow to grow?

Sue I too have my Bill’ ‘'Hallelujah' in a lot of sun and they luv it. I have 3 x in a pot at present and instead of splitting them I am just going to transplant them into a slightly bigger pot because I really like them grouped together like they are. I have 1 x in a single pot but that’s because it was only a pup when I first got it so I will do the same with this one, keep them all in the same pot for now. They look fantastic as a group display plant to have in the middle of a table when we entertain and a real talking piece around the table.

Hi Jean really liked all your recent Vriesea purchases, they look to be a good size and they will only get better and better as they grow and mature. I can’t get enough of these but at some stage I will have to back off with them because they do take up a lot of room and some grow to 1mtr across. None of mine are that big yet but they have grown heaps since first purchased as pups and I am now getting a good collection of pups off them that I am yet to separate.

Jean not sure what your NOIDS are? Have Neo’ ‘Bill Morris’ and luv it.

Hi Ian you won’t be disappointed with Neo’ ‘Lime and Lava’ I adore the one I have and am still waiting for it to pup, I find it to be a very slow grower. You’re Neo’ mini is cute also.

Anyway time for bed it’s way past my bedtime – oops…

Sorry no pics tonight.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 21, 2013
4:55 AM

Post #9426364

Hi everyone, I had planned on making another post last night but the internet kept dropping out and I had a dummy spit and gave up and went to bed.

Trish, pleased you were able to ID your NOID as neo Bubblegum … it looks like the same brom to me. The neo you asked about in my pic 1 is called neo Blue Blood … though I just checked the BCR and it looks nothing like their photo, perhaps I had better check that name tomorrow to be sure.

Bree, the vriesea in the middle front of pic 5 is Vr Highway Beauty, the one to the right of it is Vr Sunset. Vr Sunset has a couple of small pups but Vr Highway Beauty hasn’t pupped yet. I have all the neos you are looking for too, but none of them has pups yet, unfortunately.

Nev, are the other plants from your cross neo Black Onyx x neo Africa similar to the one in your pic.

Tash, great to hear from you, sorry to learn you have been caring for a sick family member. Like you, I am always saying I won’t buy any more broms but then I look at all the lovelies on eBay or Wendy has a sale, or we head off to Bunnings or the market … I’m so easily tempted. I wish we lived closer to you Tash, I would love to go shopping in your collection. WOW, your new broms are lovely, I have seen Ae Roberto Menescal on eBay and drooled, also Ae Samurai and lots of lovely vrieseas too. I don’t suppose you have a list of those broms you have for sale, and their prices. And Tash, I hope your relative gets better soon.

Sue, we had a bit of sunshine this morning, I even managed to get the towels dry … got them in about 30 seconds before it rained. It rained on and off all afternoon, mostly on. My vriesea is definitely Vr Highway Beauty, Sue … and I can’t tell the difference between it and Vr Ro Ro either. We never get any decent broms in Big W where we shop but some stores a bit further afield do have nice ones, and they're reasonably priced too. I love your neo Hannibal Lector seedlings … I presume you sold the rest … you didn’t cull them, did you?

Jean, I also purchased Vr Chieftain X Angela. I don’t have mine yet, but then I didn’t go to the post office to collect the mail today. It’s a 15 km round trip to the post office and some days I just can’t be bothered, but I’ll certainly go there tomorrow. I hope I am lucky enough to have pups on mine too. Jean, your Vr Poelmanii White Line is lovely, also your Snows of Mauna Kea x Red Chestnut and your David Shiigi hybrid is gorgeous … lucky you.

Jean, I can’t help you with IDs for your two broms nor can I suggest what might be ailing your fasciatas, maybe too dry ... or too wet, how helpful is that. Your neo Bill Morris / Humphrey Bogart is a nice neo.

Ian, your neo Lime & Lava has great colour, it’s stunning, I’ll have to get mine into more light.

Trish, I know what you mean about Bunnings. I have seen some lovely vrieseas out in full sun and I once suggested to a staff member that they should be moved into filtered light but the reply I got was “we always put them in full sun”. I went as far as showing her the label which said “dappled light” and I got the same response. And they always have a few with badly burnt leaves too …they obviously just don’t get it ... or don't care.

Gee, my posts seem to rival Nevs in length lately … and while Nev’s posts are always very interesting, my are full of waffle, sorry ‘bout that.

Anyway, my pics tonight are - 1 and 2 poor old mother neo Medusa, still pupping away, 3 neo Medusa grass pup, removed almost a year ago, 4 and 5 normal Medusa pup removed recently.

Hi to Wendy and Jen … where are you guys these days, also Kristi, Colleen, Karen, also Mike, hope I haven’t left anyone out.

Bye for now,

Shirley




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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 21, 2013
12:41 PM

Post #9426877

Hello again.
I have been admiring all the pics . I love window shopping in here. Lucky I cant walk in and buy or I would need another yard.
I will have to do a bit of thinking abut moving more broms around to make room for the vrieseas. All the larger aechmeas and neos are out in the open shadehouse now and seem to survive the winters there.
Most of my old neos are down in the back shadehouse and already the greenhouse is full of vrieseas. I may have to think about fixing up the old greenhouse. It has lost all the plastic and just has the mesh that was embedded in the plastic , left.
I covered the whole frame with shadecloth but for winter it may need more protection if I move broms in there.
I may get hubby to help . I have a very large sheet of plastic which used to be on another shadehouse. If I put it over the frame then replace the shadecloth I will have a new brom house.

Did you see the beautiful vriesea going for $220 on eBay ? "Smudge Grub" is the name.
Someone bid on it so there is money out there for the expensive ones.

I am going to spend the next cool day taking pics of all my individual broms for a file , so I know what I have .
I usually remember names well and know what I have in irises, epis etc. but a picture file is handy to check colors .

Better move and get watering as the heat is coming back. I hope you are all safe with the rain & floods up there.
Jean.



weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 21, 2013
1:51 PM

Post #9426960

Good morning, yadda, yadda..raining blah, blah.
Jean, to ID your first NOID we would need to see it flower, and see if it flushes. It remnds me of N. 'Lila' because of the motled leaves. The second one doesn't seem to have any distinguishing features other than the white flowers ( usually a sign of Johannis parentage) but maybe if you could try the next pup grown in direct morning sun, you might get some sort of colour in the leaves? I know I am pushing it! With your large collection of plants and lack of growing space.
Your David Shiigi hybrid should remain just that. He has number of unregistered Vrieseas floating around in Australia, and all look much the same as yours. He seems to excel in those light colours. There are some lovely Hawaiian Vrieseas on Ebay, fom time to time.
I'm not sure about your Aechmea 'Primera' I know they tend to rot if too wet. Try tipping out the plant and having a look at the roots. Just check to see they look healthy, and the soil shouldn't smell rank. Other than that, i can only suggest they might be affected by temperature or wind. Its a mystery.
Bree, I haven't got any pups of the plants you like either, but would love a Neo. 'Goldilocks' also. Good luck with your search. This is the right way to go aout it, as you just might find someone here has what you are looking for.Your Neo. 'Shelldance' Should flower eventually, and then it goes on to pup really well. It remids me a little of N. 'Burnsies Spiral' in habit.
Ian, I am going to try that mozzie stopper recipe too. I have made up a 2 litre bottle and bought a new spray tank to get it out there, but am waiting for it to stop raining, as I imagine it would all just wash away? mozzies aplenty here at the moment.
The N. 'Hannibal Lector' seedlings had quite a bit of variety in them, as they have a mix of genes from Hannibals parents. Alot looked just like the original N. 'Hannibal Lector' so I sold them for $5 each and even the odd ones went as well. Lots with banding underneath only, and some with spots instead of stripes. I kept the 5 I did because one is very dark, 2 have banding top and bottom (and one of those has faint vertical stripes) and one is quite light with spots, and one is very like the original. They don't grow very fast, but I have been keeping them underfed so that I could see the colours early.
That little mini Neo you posted looks very familiar. I reckon if you give it a good dose of light, it might go quite orange? Your Neo. 'Lime and Lava' is very nice also. I have a parcel to send off to you today, but am debating the wisdom of heading out in this weather, also I am tucked up in bed nursing a sore back (not used to the work after 5 weeks of holiday) but I will let you know for sure when I post.
Trish, I have heard similar complaints about bunnings and their bromeliads from all around Australia. The growers should really specify the plant needs when they sell them. I saw little bags of spanish moss (Tillandsia usenoides) suffocating in BigW yesterday, and i wanted to rip them open and hang them from the baskets e.t.c. By the end of the week, they will have bags of brown grassy looking stuff. The bags should at least have had air holes in them.
My Neo. 'Mister Odean' came from LeisaDs garden, and it threw two pups. I only potted one (the one I photographed) and left the other in the garden, but have since repotted the second one, as it was getting very tatty because of the gum trees. I will have to go find it and take a pic for comparison. I don't know if they are all that slow, as I think I only potted the pictured one last year? i will have a look at the label.
I hope you enjoy your meeting with Rob Smythe. I've read alot in his and Derek Butchers bromeliacea magazine (Bromeliad society of Queensland publication) But I must admit, most of it is over my head when it comes to some of the articles. I did read a couple I liked that were about mounting broms on logs e.t.c., so i imagine there will be some nice peices there for you to photograph for us, with Robs permission? hint, hint. heh heh
Hi Shirley, I am glad you got your internet working. I can't believe you got towels dry. I managed washing over last weekend, but haven't attempted any since. I still have caravan linen to wash, as well as a weeks worth of work clothes now. blah!
No, I haven't culled many seedlings of any type yet, unles it was for health reasons, such as fungal attacks e.t.c. I did some N. 'Fiesta' seedlings that are VERY ordinary, but I have given them the chance to redeem themselves by planting them in the garden. Some have got slight colouring, or flushing at flowering, and all have got nice form, so untill such time as I run out of space in the garden, they can fill a gap, but will probably be kept to a minimum of one or two pups being allowed to take over. I find, if the seedlings result in colourful plants, alot of people are happy to pay $5 for them. I'd never bother to register anything unless it was a standout plant, and I haven't managed to produce one of those yet. I have done crosses on vrieseas that have been done before, because I want the same outcome as others have had, without paying $60 for a plant. Also, there is always the slight possibility of producing something different, because of different clones used in th crossings. Its all fun.
Shirley, if your posts rival Nevs, then so do mine, and theres not much technical going on in mine, so I think I might have quite a bit of fluff going on! Heh heh. Its all good, as it gives us something to read on a rainy day. Sigh!
Nev, I hadn't seen that side of the Assasin bug before. too funny! No, pretty sure our ones in Australia are non-decorative!
I also finished the Email about Julian Nally. I am inspired to plant out so many more broms now.
I didn't manage to take any photos yesterday, so I will see whats on file and apologise if I've posted any before.
Photo one is Neo. 'Aurora' (no, no pups available yet)
Photo two is Neo. cyanea (a species)
Photo three is Neo. 'Chiquita linda'
Photo four is Neo. 'Guinea' x olens. Old Mum is past her best.
Sue

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breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 21, 2013
4:25 PM

Post #9427129

Trish- received my broms in the mail, thanks so much. I feel bad as postage was rather expensive. My red rivers are grow in similar conditions, pretty much full sun until the afternoon. There probably different broms, have to wait and see if they change. You dont want to be waiting for pups to grow so you can give them away, i'll buy the pups im looking for, i wont be able to help myself. hehe!
Nev ive seen a documentry on the Assassin Bug a while ago, cant remember much but that it was pretty savage.
Could be moving my broms back up on my raised garden bed soon, hasnt stopped raining for days and we could be getting another flood. The wind is wild and everythings so wet, my orchids will be starting to rot and probably my broms also. Cant get outside for 5 mins without it pouring.
1. Lila 2. Decora

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 21, 2013
8:14 PM

Post #9427419

Hi everyone – We've had a few more overnight showers but like yesterday I suspect there won't be any rain during the day, just the oppressive humidity.

Tash – It's great to hear from you again and I trust Jason and the children are all getting through this trying time OK as well. It's always hard when you have to cope with caring for a sick family member and even more so when its away from your home. I must say the family member is in good hands though and don't worry about your brom's, they'll take care of themselves. I'm pleased to hear you have beaten that rot problem you had last year, and the fact that you've only lost a couple of plants during all of this “mad weather” proves that you have.

That's good advice you give about culling, and a very difficult but necessary process and I'm sure that when the seedlings you and Jason are growing reach that stage you will find it just as difficult as I still do. It makes it even harder when during the culling process a lady visitor who you've never seen before spots a plant that has been rejected and is in the “green bin” and exclaims, “Oh why are you throwing that out, it's beautiful”. This is after she has already bought a car-boot full of reasonable quality plants and after gratefully adding it to her collection as well, goes on her merry way. It's things like this that make you stop and ask yourself, “are you culling correctly?”, but then you can only act on your own judgement and I guess there'll always be someone who will like the plants that you have tossed in the bin and don't think worthy for your collection.

It's good to hear that Jason is branching out into the “land of the unknown” and into “inter-generic breeding”. Although there have been quite a lot already registered, in my opinion it's still and area in its infancy and breeders at this stage have just touched the tip of the iceberg, and who knows what the future holds in store?

As well as culling seedlings, it's just as difficult when you have to cull the plants you have collected over the years especially if they have some emotional attachment. As you say, “I just find it disappointing when I find some of my treasures in the brom house that have ended up tucked under something else and haven't had enough light and they have gone long and strappy.” and it's times like this that really bring home the message that you have to cut back, but it still doesn't make it any easier. The way I started was to first get rid of all the ones I wasn't particularly fond of such as the “pricklies” which I mainly grew because they were plants other people liked and I could sell,Ha! Ha! but then I know how you feel about “pricklies” so maybe down that road isn't the best for you.

I guess the bottom line is that brom's will at the very least double in quantity every year and if you approach things with that in mind you can better assess what you need to do, but then we're all human and blindly follow the bromeliad rule that “there's always room for just one more”, so some things will never change.

I love the two new Chester Skotak additions especially the “prickly” on the left (I'll bet you can't wait to see the beautiful flowers). Oh and I like the toe ring as well...”cute”. Don't leave it for so long before you visit us again as I'm sure we've all missed you input.

Sue – Gee Sue, from what we are seeing about the expected weather in your area, it looks like you'd better batten down the hatches as you're in for a bit of a pasting. Maybe you'd better bring your best brom's into the house Ha Ha.

I'm not going to get into the controversial topic of Vr. 'Ro Ro' versus Vr. 'Highway Beauty', but you can read all about it at the site below and make up your own minds. What ever you decide, it's still an nice unusual plant and well worth growing.
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=VRIESEA&id=8684#8684

We never get any “well known” Neo's in our Bunnings down here except once for a batch of deformed tissue cultured Medusas which I've mentioned previously and there was also a batch of “red centred” Neo's which looked like someone's “culls” and should have been put in the “Green Bin” they looked “poxy”. (sorry, that's an expression my five years old grandson brought home from school but it fits in here OK)

You say, “Shirley, if only we lived closer …...”, I was thinking the other day, “Wouldn't it be great if we all lived within a few kilometres of each other?” But then it's probably not a good idea as we would be so busy visiting each others collections we would get none of our work done. But it would be nice to have just one other brom grower living close by just the same.

Speaking of packaging, I've had plants from you in beer cartons without any problems, but I think you made them stronger by making them into the ”indestructible triangular shape” which I think certainly adds to their resistance of heavy article being put on top. As for packing, I think if we all follow a simple rule of packing plants in such a manner as we would like to receive them ourselves, there wouldn't be a problem. It's just that some of these on-line sellers are just chasing the money with as little effort as possible put into packaging.

It will be interesting to hear what “Shane the Man” has to say about his 'Red River' and all the other 'Rivers' going around and I'll be interested in seeing what he says. You'll have to pass it on through here though as I'm not on Face book.

Sue I think your Neo. 'Little People' is a “Little Beauty”, do you know anything about its breeding? Billbergia 'Hallelujah' as usual, a beautiful plant and as I've said before, it will have to be an exceptional plant that knocks this hybrid off its perch.
Did you pollinate your Hannibal Lectors yourself or were they wild pollinated? I ask because the plant in the centre looks so much different to the rest both in size and colour. As for your Pic 5 of the Mangoes, you sure know how to torture a bloke don't you? I'm dribbling at the mouth just looking at them.

The plant of Neo 'Auroa' I have (I think it originally came from you) is so dark it's almost black, I'll get a pic when it stops raining.

Pleased to hear you're planting some of your Neo. 'Fiesta' seedlings in the garden, I did the same with some I was going to “chuck” as well and the improvement from the new pups was nothing short of remarkable, you wouldn't recognise them as the same plant.

Jean – I think we should start calling you the “Vriesea Queen” as you sure seem to be accumulating quite a collection and these latest acquisitions are beauties as well.

As for names for the NOIDS you have posted, Pic.1 could be one of the many forms of Neoregelia Cruenta. Pic.2 I have no idea, and the plant in your Pic.3 could well be the result of deformity cause by poor tissue culturing (see my post 20th) as I know this plant was produced in its millions worldwide. I personally would “toss” them and try to get a “pup” from a “stable” example of the same named plant without these bad traits.

Neo 'Bill Morris' is a very popular plant which is a.c.v. of Neo Concentrica. There is a very interesting story bout this plant on the BCR and there is also a surprising connection with grass pups; a topic we have discussed over the last few days.
You can read all about it at:
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3159#3159

Breeindy – I have the same thing with my Neo. Shelldance as well it just grows and grows but no sign of a pup and yet others I know who grow it say it pups like mad. Sorry but I can't help you with the plants you are chasing.

You're lucky to have raised garden beds to put you plants on during the very wet weather, maybe you should look at making that their permanent home?

Great pic's of your plants of Neo 'Lila' and Neo.'Decora'; great colour. Come on, tell us the secret you use to get colours like that.

Ian – It will be interesting to see if the deformities will eventually grow out of the pups and how long it takes. It will also be interesting to see what you get out of Neo. Medusa when you start breeding with it and whether the hybrids will be spineless like the parent. I think Allan Ladd was using it a bit but I don't know of the results, has anyone heard of any?

Trish - When you ring Germaine at the weekend say “hullo from me, as I haven't heard from her since she started selling up.

I have been getting Rob's monthly news letter “Bromwatch Townsville” for a long time now but I didn't know he's also written a book; see what you can find out about it for us all as I'm sure it will be full of valuable information taken from the vast store in his brain.

I too think that Neo. 'Mister Odean' is a most unusual plant both in colour and texture. I have one as well as about twenty seedlings from seed I had given to me from a plant that was pollinated by Sunbirds in Far North Queensland and they're just getting to the interesting stage where they're starting to show a bit of colour, so “here's hoping”.

Shirley – The other seedlings from the 'Black Onyx' x 'Africa' crossing are much smaller than the one in the pic. and not showing any colour yet. For some reason that one just bolted away from the others and the colours seem to change every coupe of days, so when it's mature I'll post another pic for comparison.

If you read the info in the link I've posted above you will understand more clearly why you can't tell the difference between Vr. 'Highway Beauty' and Vr 'Ro Ro' …...Join the club!

While we're on the topic of Bunnings, our local Bunnings have stepped benches made of CCA treated pine planks and the brom's are usually packed in tight with their leaves often touching the timber. The ones at the back have 50% of their leaves touching the underside of the shelf above so that when they are watered the water (plus any copper leaching from the timber) tends to drip on the plants below. I have mentioned this a few times to various staff in the garden section and explained that copper is toxic to brom's but they just look at me and say. “insurance will cover any losses we have” my question was, “does it cover the plant that the customer buys as well” and I was told they can bring it back for a refund if it's damaged. Wouldn't it just be simpler to cover the CCA treated timber so it doesn't contact the plants in the first place or even build the racks out of non-treated hardwood or metal? I suppose not, it's probably not in “the procedure” which seem to control every thing we do these days. Here we go again, you've set off the “cranky old man” again.

Jean – Good luck taking pic's of all of your brom's for a file; I started a Photo Index of my plants with ten pic's to a page; I got to page six and that's where it stopped, I just don't seem to have enough time, not even enough time to make out a written list.

I don't even look at the expensive plants on Ebay any more as I know I can't afford them, so what's the point in torturing myself?

That'll do for today, the computer is starting to smoke so I better give it a rest. Sorry no pic's until the rain stops.

All the best, Nev.

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 22, 2013
4:54 AM

Post #9427564

Hi all, we had a reasonably fine morning here and a shower or two this afternoon. I got to do a bit of weeding and mulching and potted up a few pups as well.

Jean, there have been so many lovely broms on eBay lately … I would love to have them all.

Sue, we are still having problems with our internet dropping out all the time, such a pain in the bum. I hope the rain has cleared and you managed to catch up with your washing.

Bree, sounds like you could do with some fine weather as well. Everyone seems to be copping it at the moment.

Nev, I read the article in your link on Vr Highway Beauty versus Vr Ro Ro and most of it went over my head, but I gather that it depends on the colour of the flower as to which one it is. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.

Trish, the weekend is here at last. I checked on the name of the brom you asked about and it is definitely labelled neo Blue Blood.

Hope everyone has a good one.

I haven't taken any new photos, so another group shot tonight.

Bye, Shirley

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 22, 2013
12:15 PM

Post #9428029

Hi everyone – Well at last the weather which was forecast has come to be. It's bucketed down all night and is still going and reminds me of the torrential rain I saw when in Cairns many years ago, and totally different to what we usually experience down here. I have to agree with what the weather people are now saying and that is the seasons are definitely changing. Probably a good day to make a start on an updated list of brom's for sale/swap, after all it's only four years overdue.

I did at least manage to give everything a feed of Condy's Crystal solution, so that's one job out of the way at least. I also have a batch of about ten seedlings which are “radial reds” that urgently need to go from 4” pots into larger ones, so perhaps over the weekend I can get that done also.

Shirley – It looks like it's just you and me this morning, so first let me just add a bit more about the 'Highway Beauty' and 'Ro Ro' saga. There was a very lengthy discussion on the Garden Web Forums a couple of years back (I'll see if I can find it and provide a link) and it involved quite a few well known and respected Vriesea breeders and growers who really know quite a lot about the breeding history of this genera (including these two plants in particular). The end result of this long winded discussion was that everything was such a “can of worms”, we are better off not changing any names for the present and hopefully the mess will eventually get sorted out and a final decision on the correct name made.

You mentioned Neo 'Blue Blood' in you comments to Trish, is it the same as the one shown on the BCR? Apparently there's not a lot know about it except that it's a c.v. grown from seed taken from Neo 'Fairy Paint' (seed parent) and the pollen parent is unknown. It was grown by Anderson and registered by Grace Goode sometime before 1986 and that's it. There is a decent pic though, and if you want to see it it's at: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=NEOREGELIA&id=3235#3235

That's a great lot of colour in the pic you've posted Shirley, really beautiful plants and a credit to you.

A big “cherrio” to anyone who's crook and to those of you facing the possibility of more flooding, good luck and keep you hopes up and your head clear of the water..

That's it for today, too wet to take any pic's (sorry)

All the best, Nev.
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 22, 2013
12:47 PM

Post #9428055

Hi, back again - Just to add a bit more info for the discussion about the differences between Vr. 'Ro Ro' and Vr. 'Highway Beauty', I've added a couple of links to old Garden Web Forum discussions. I couldn't find the particular one I spoke of in my post, but these two will give you some reading while it's raining anyway.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bromeliad/msg1022373222092.html

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bromeliad/msg0421341431740.html

You will notice some of the pictures may have been removed and this is because when posting pictures on Garden Web at that time, it had to be done through another programme (“Photo Bucket” was the most popular). If however you were to rearrange your Picture Files on Photo Bucket for any reason, the link between Photo Bucket and the Garden Web would be broken and the pic's would disappear.

All the best, Nev.

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 23, 2013
3:42 AM

Post #9428613

Hi Nev, looks like you and me again. We didn’t get the rain here that was forecast for today but we could get it tonight, it’s so damn hot.

Looking back through earlier photos, my neo Blue Blood used to be a similar colour to the one on the BCR but it has gone much darker now so not sure if it’s the same one. Thanks for the compliments on the colour in my brom collection, Nev.

I haven’t read through the articles relating to Vr Ro Ro and Vr Highway Beauty yet Nev, but I will get to it.

We did a very quick dash into the Bromeliad Extravangza at Wavell Heights this afternoon. We had a pretty busy day and I thought it finished at 4:00 pm, however it closed at 3:00 pm as we found when we arrived at 2:55 pm. I did manage to buy one neo, beautiful neo Downs Autumn.

Anyway, not much else happening here, so I finish off with a couple of photos of my newest neo.

Bye for now, Shirley



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bromishy
Townsville
Australia

February 23, 2013
6:02 AM

Post #9428716

Hi Everyone!

I had a great day today and spent time in the garden tending to my broms and getting rid of some pesky weeds that have come up since the rain. I also have some brom seeds that I really want to sow and hope that I can get quite a few trays potted up over the weekend. I can see myself working again into the evening like I did today (until 9:30pm) because I usually tend to run out of time during the day as most of it is spent in the garden and nursery, so find the evenings great for potting up seeds, writing labels or potting up pups.

Joe and I did managed to sneak in a 3hr visit with Rob Smythe and his lovely wife Gwen this morning over a lovely cup of coffee and beautiful homemade sweet and savoury treats that Gwen makes herself. A lovely group of ladies from Ayr turned up the same time we did who collect broms (what else) and exchanged numbers with one of them which was nice. We hope to see them all again in the not too distant future as they are talking about paying us a visit sometime.

There were other visitors that also turned up and more were expected later that arvo so the Smythes are keeping really busy and we found them to be very kind and welcoming. Naturally we were totally blow away by their amazing bromeliad gardens that were literally everywhere, whether you looked up, down, sideways or stood on your head LOL. They were growing in every type of tree imaginable, in every nook and cranny. It was like been in the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory but instead of chocolates and sweets it was just Wall to Wall Bromeliads everywhere – AMAZING! Can you believe it though (because I can’t) that I left there with not one bromeliad in my hand (for the first time in my life) because my intention was to take a step back a bit, tend to the broms I have at present, think about the projects on the go in the garden at present and what I want to do in the nursery. I said to the Smythe’s that I would luv to come back to visit them with a list of bromeliads that I am chasing and we would go from there. Rob was great to talk to and very accommodating to answer any questions that I had and pretty much had a fantastic selection of broms growing but Neo’s did dominate the garden beds that Nev would be pleased to hear LOL. Nev I passed on a hello from you to Rob and he said to say a big hello.

Anyway the Smythe’s were more than happy for people to take pics of their gardens so Joe went around and took some as I was too busy talking to everyone LOL. You will see by the attached pics a lot of broms growing in trees (not in logs that I could see Sue), even vrieseas which I am not used to seeing growing in trees even though I know they can do so easily. Anyway I hope you enjoy the pics as much as Joe did taking them. I will post some more tomorrow hopefully.

Hi Shirley thanks yeah I am pleased with the ID of Neo’ ‘Bubblegum’ and rang Germaine on Friday (the lovely lady I purchased Bubblegum from) to let her know that I thought it’s Pet Name was its proper name, Germaine was pleased and we talked about keeping in touch and the next time we are up her pop in and pay them a visit.

Shirley your Neo’ ‘Medusa’ pups are gorgeous; I am still blown away by the fact that they can produce grass pups? Pleased to hear your Neo’ ‘Blue Blood is just that, it’s gorgeous, thanks for letting me know.

Shirley, yet another fantastic group shot of your bromeliads, now where did I hide my teleport machine when I was cleaning???

Shirley what a bugger you only had 5mins to shop at Bromeliad Extravangza, I hope you did not have to travel too far to get there? Anyway you did well going home with at least one brom Neo’ ‘Downs Autumn’ what a beautiful choice you have made under pressure.

Hi Jean, making room for Vriesea’s hey LOL. Sounds like me as I have ran out of room in our outdoor covered entertainment area. Do you mind me asking how many Vriesea’s you have? I think I am getting close to having about 80 / 90 different types of Vriesea’s and they are all growing and growing and growing so I am having to move some out into the nursery and garden.

Jean I too like to keep a record of what broms of have and how many I have of each so I don’t keep too many of one type as we do not have the room to keep stacks of everything.

Hi Sue I have heard with some of the larger commercial nurseries (without naming names) that the brom growers only get paid for what is sold and that what’s not sold just gets taken back by the seller and stock gets rotated. I do not know if there is any truth in that and find it hard to believe given the way the broms get looked after, I know that if I was the grower I would be very peeved and would want them to pay for any damaged plants.

Sue I can’t help myself when I am in a nursery and see something that needs saving, I brought a Pitcher Catcher plant the other day that needed just that, leaves had been crushed and top stem had been snapped off with new shoot emerging, and I said to the nursery lady this plant won’t live another week and there is no way I am paying $15 for this half dead plant so will you sell it to me for $2 and they did and I have only had it for a week and it’s looking well and it’s new shoot is double its size. Why pay full price on a plant that could possibly die from shock. Most nurseries are happy to discount something that needs a bit of TLC especially when they can’t be bothered. I have brought many broms and plants this way (that are not on the specials table) that still have a full price sticker on them and have picked them up real cheap.

Sue would be great thanks to see comparison pics of your Neo’ ‘Mr Odean to see if quick or slow grower.

Hi Bree great to hear you received broms in mail, what condition were they in by the time you unpacked them and did the box survive the trip the way I packed it. Unfortunately I did not get time to get a foam box like I wanted to. I expected the weight to be well over 500 grams because of the way I packed each brom so don’t you feel bad about that. You know that was the first box of broms I have ever posted anywhere before so would appreciate hearing how they travelled. I did pack them with luv so I hope they were ok?

Bree your Neo’ ‘Lila’ is nice with the hot pink centre; I think I have this one?

Hi Nev sorry I ended up ringing Germaine on Friday but promise the next time I do ring her to pass on your hello. She is just such a lovely person, so honest and kind.

Nev because of all the people visiting Rob Smythe today I plum forgot to ask about the book but promise to do so on our next visit. There was just so much to take in today plus all the other interesting people we got to meet and still can’t believe we were there for 3hrs. They clearly enjoyed the company and hopefully one day we can return the favour and they might come and visit us and my collection.

Nev sound like you are getting a bit done even with the rain bucketing down, it’s great how there is always things to do rain, hale or shine when it comes to bromeliads.

Thanks Nev looking forward to reading articles relating to Vr. Ro Ro and Vr. Highway Beauty, thanks for keeping us informed as always we really appreciate as you always have your finger on the pulse which I reckons great.

We got a good bit of wind at about 8pm followed by a bit of a storm and then the start of the rain that is heading our way for the next couple of days. The winds now stopped and the rain is just a pitter patter on the roof so we are going to sleep like babies tonight.

Anyway time to head as its just past midnight!!! Rain is heaver now.

Hi to anyone else looking in or on the Sick List.

Take care and Happy Gardening!

Trish

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 23, 2013
12:24 PM

Post #9429027

Hi everyone – Well still the rain continues to fall here and I'm beginning to know what you “Northerners” feel like. Anyway, I've caught up with most of my paper work but still have to “gee myself up” to start on the updated list of brom's for sale/swap, but I'll get there one day.

A few days ago Ian showed a pic of his Neo 'Medusa' plants sending up grass pups and I said I thought it could be due to the fact that it was from a tissue cultured plant (which sometimes do strange things). Well today I was looking through another forum and a grower in South Africa has posted pic's of some “grassies” forming on a Neo. he grew from seed (Pic.1) and I thought you might like to read what he had to say about it:

“I have never seen grass pups form on a Neo, but a couple of days ago, I saw this old neo that finished flowering about 6 months ago already.  I removed 3 normal pups from it already, and there are two more coming out.  But it also has this grass pup.  This plant was grown from seed - about 3 years ago - so there's no chance that it could be late, sprouted seed starting to grow only now. And I checked, the grass pup is still firmly attached to the mother plant.  I have seen grass-like pups on the stems of old mother plants where the leaves have all died and fallen off, but this plant looks still healthy enough to produce another couple of pups before it kick the buckit.”

So maybe Ian's setting a new trend and we might all soon start getting “grassies” on our Neo's...there's always something new “popping up” with brom's.

Also a few days back I said I thought Ian's Nidularium NOID looked like one I have called Nid. Procerum Kermesianum, and that FCBS records “hinted” that the name had been changed but didn't say to what. I followed it up by emailing Ross Little of “Pine Grove Bromeliads” who I know to be somewhat of a “guru” when it comes to brom names, and this is what he had to say:

“ Hello Nev, Your Nid. was removed from varietal status by Mr Leme and put in synonym to just Nid. procerum, I tag it as Nid. procerum (red foliage form), I would retain the kermesianum as a note on the back of your label just for personal note/reference just in case it gets changed again”

So there you have it, right from someone who knows.

Shirley – Gee you might have been late for the show but you sure got a first class souvenir to take home; what a “cracker” of a plant, great shape and wonderful colour. I'm sure it will fit in well with all of your other beautifully coloured plants.

Trish – I'm pleased you got to see and enjoy Rob's garden. As I've said he's such a knowledgeable bloke and so willing to pass on his knowledge to anyone who is genuinely interested. He produces a little monthly newsletter called “Bromwatch Townsville” and I'm sure if any of you just drop him a line and a request, he will put you on his emailing list to receive this informative little monthly news letter.

They're great pic's Joe has taken and thank him from me for sharing them with us all. I was a bit blown away by the comeback Rob's garden has made as “Yasi” did a lot of damage there. There was a large tree that came down in the middle of everything and trashed most of it as well, and what it didn't damage, the blokes that came to cut up the tree finished off as they trampled a lot of his plants during the process.

What a lot of people mightn't know is that Rob is a pretty prolific hybridiser (considering he only has a back yard to work in) and has created some beautiful hybrid brom's (especially Neo's) and at last count has over 170 registered on the BCR. To view the pic's of his plants go to: http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?fields=Breeder&id=9858&search=smythe

He is also the creator of the (now well known) “Canola White Oil Spray”which is non-toxic (to humans and pets) and can easily be made up by anyone. Since he introduced it at the Cairns Bromeliad Conference, it is now used by brom growers around the world to combat “Fly Speck” and other forms of scale without the risks of the “heavy duty” insecticides. If you would like a good safe spray that actually works on these pests, go to: http://fcbs.org/articles/canola.htm

I've never personally met the man but have a lot of respect for him as he is very knowledgeable and willingly shares his knowledge so that others may benefit from it. Goodonya Rob!

Well it's still raining here so I'll go and have some breakfast and then get out in the garage and pot up a few seedlings; but before I go, I've dug up a few pic's to finish with. Pic.1 is the Neo with the “grassies” from South Africa I mentioned above, Pic.2 is a file pic.of one of my Neo. 'Concentrica' x 'Charm' x 'Cracker Jack' seedlings taken last year. (I love the rich coloured centre) Pic 3 is Neo. 'Inferno', Pic. 4 I bought at the Kiama Markets a couple of years back. It was just tagged as Neo. T&G Hybrid (unreg) and the seller said it was bred by an elderly couple down on the far south coast who had since both passed away. I was told the T & D were the initials of their first names (Ted and Dianne). It's a pity they didn't register it as it's quite a nice coloured plant. Pic.5 is for you people up there in “Cane Toad Country” (I had to crop out the head of the man holding it as I didn't get his permission to post the pic.), but it's certainly some Cane Toad; (probably got fat drinking XXXX) has anyone got a pic. of a bigger one?

Until tomorrow, all the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 23, 2013
1:19 PM

Post #9429056

Hello all.
I love those pics of that exceptionally lovely garden , Trish.
I am always envious of those up north who can grow so many broms outside.

I know how many broms I have now because I did a stocktake of them the other day. I have a list and will get pics later to add to the list on my computer.

I have in total 140 broms of which 40 are vrieseas.
I had a mad moment yesterday after reading all about the two lovelies..vr Highway Beauty and vr. RoRo.
I bought Highway Beauty but missed out on RoRo.
I was interested to read all the info on them so far and decided I would like them both here to try.
I will have to wait for another RoRo to come up now, but will post a pic of Highway Beauty when it arrives.

Most of my broms are neos because I bought them when I was just looking for colorful ones and did not know that much about each type. .
I like some of the billbergias and aechmeas, but have decided that my favorites are the vrieseas along with nidulariums and guzmanias.

Until I actually went and noted all the names, I was sure I didnt have that many...lol

Its getting very warm here again so I had better get out and water a few things.
Not sure if I posted this pic before but its one of my newer ones..vr. erythrodactylon

Jean.



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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 23, 2013
3:00 PM

Post #9429172

blub...blub..blub!
Help, its still raining! Over 205 ml since Friday, and its still bucketing down.
We lost power on friday afternoon and it came back on late last night, so its been interesting.
No flooding, as the neighbours new pipe let the water get away well, although it still got high, it didn't get in the garage and the conatiner. Whew. I hope this new lot of rain gets away as easily, as it is very boggy here, and the water has nowhere to go in the soil anymore.
thunder bolts and lightening, very very frightening...
I have had a bit more of a disaster in the black igloo, with the wind howling through and collapsing the shelves ontop of one another, like dominos! Oh dear. lots of crushed broms!
Thankfully, some friends came around and between us we managed to dismantle all the shelves and move the broms under cover until I can get around to them, and see what can be salvaged. I don't think many of them got crushed beyond recovery, and there will always be pups, but it was very disheartening after all the work i put in last week. I overdid it and hurt my back too, so couldn't help out much yesterday except to point to where to put them, and keep my eyes out for leeches.
My sale this weekend was obviously a big flop, but I did get one customer late yesterday and that paid for the add in the paper. It was supposed to be a better day today, so i had advertised my sale for Sunday also, but I don't think its going to happen.
Anyway, there is much worse going on around the place, with trees down and some in town who have damage to their houses, as the wind was horrendous. Now poor kempsey and port Macquarie are copping some flooding, so fingers crossed that Jack and Tamera at Anniesam aren't getting too much water around their broms.
Nev, I have only just got internet reception this morning, so I haven't asked Shane Z about the N. 'Red River's and the like, but facebook is my next stop.
Anyway, just going to check on the water levels outside, but I'll leave you with a couple of pics
Sue

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ianperry

February 23, 2013
3:06 PM

Post #9429181

Hi all, A wierd day yesterday weatherwise so I spent a lot of time on the computer mostly checking out what others do in seed raising and found some interesting ideas used in USA. Cinnamon sprinkled on the mix acts as a fungiside and repells gnats. Hydrogen peroxide can be used as a steriliser but too strong it kills weeds In low doses it can sstimulate better growth due to an extra Oxygen molecule being transferred to the plant roots or leaves. I have saved the details on my computer but am not sure I know enough to pass it on through this site. I will try if it is wanted.
Promiscous medusa is what I think it's name ought to be. I took more pups off yesterday and found, not only grasses and basal pups but some rooted well2 to 4 rounds of leaves up like Vrs and Alcantareas do. This is some wiered mixed up plant. Maybe it has its wires crossed.
I read the articles On Vr Highway or Highway Beauty or RoRo and now and am totally confused with the latter 2, Highway has no varigation, so that is easy to understand, but the other 2 well either 1 will be a nice addition to my garden.If the experts can't tell the difference how will I be able to.
It would be great to get Rob Smythes newsletter, but how do we contact him to get it.
It is just a miserable day here, but i am sure I will find something to do.
Have a good one.
Ian
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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 23, 2013
11:30 PM

Post #9429521

oh Sue bummer about your sale and your damage. I would have come to your sale if id have know but were flooded in again, no water around us but the roads and the highway is blocked in a few places. I hope we dont get water in the yard again, i havent moved any plants yet but i can move quick when water starts coming in the yard. hehe!
Nev- all my broms colour comes from being exposed to to much sun, some broms colour up nicely but some have been burning, im sorting out those that will have to go under some shadecloth to group together and those that can stay out.
My raised garden bed for broms..no my partner wouldnt let me its the veggy garden once he gets about to putting in the taps.
Trish- your broms were packed great, they were in perfect shape.
I finally purchased a V. Roro, N. Kahala Dawn, V. Sunset and V. Highway Beauty, Jean i was probably bidding agaist you. Sorry i didnt know, i just read your post!
ianperry

February 24, 2013
2:31 AM

Post #9429547

Hi all, It has been a reasonable day here with no wind or rain but it could have rained at any time. I have to empathise with Sue and the mess that she has to clean up. I sure wouldn't wish that on anyone.
I potted up some more plants today and collected some seed from N Treasure Chest. There will be spare of this if it is viable, I ought to know nezt week end. I will try some tomorrow afternoon.
I hope my body adjustments soon balance out. The way I feel I would feel better if I was smoking.
Have a good one
Ian.
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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 24, 2013
2:55 AM

Post #9429552

No worries breeindy, its all part of the game on eBay.
I only go so far in the bidding as finances limit what I can get.
I did get a Highway Beauty and I bought Sunset a few weeks ago.
I just bought a vr. White Chestnut, so am slowly adding to the vrieseas.
Glad to see you picked up some lovely plants.
Jean

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 24, 2013
6:09 AM

Post #9429635

Hi everyone, gosh it’s been hot and muggy here today. We had some heavy rain this morning then so steamy hot and then more rain about 5.00 pm that chased us inside. I still have lots of weeding and mulching to do but there’s always tomorrow.

Trish, sounds like you and Joe had a lovely day meeting with other brommies yesterday, I am so envious. The gardens in Joe’s pics are just awesome … though I had to enlarge the pics for a really good look .. WOW!!

Trish, we were in the vicinity of the Brom sale on another mission so we hadn’t travelled far out of our way but I was really disappointed to get there as they were closing for the day. Oh well, saved some money and yes, neo Downs Autumn is gorgeous and one that was pretty high up on my wish list, so I’m happy. I guess you're back to work tomorrow Trish, hope you have a good working week.

Nev, I had to do a bit of reorganising to fit neo Downs Autumn into the shadehouse. Our brom house extension kind of stalled when it got too hot to work outside and then all the rain and the fallen trees etc etc but it’s something we will have to finish asap as there are so many pups happening and my collection growing bigger and bigger.

OMG Nev, that’s some canetoad in your pic … I hate them. I have never seen one anywhere near as big as that one and hope I never do.

Jean, 140 broms … and you’re not addicted ??? I love the vrieseas too but the majority of mine are neos … I have about 50 vrieseas.

Sue, really sorry to hear about the awful weather you’ve been having and the damage to your igloo and your lovely plants and the injury to your back, what a bugger. Hopefully, the damage to the broms will be minimal and sorry your sale didn’t go well. Hope your back is better soon.

Ian, nice Ae chantinii. It will take a little time but the benefits of giving up the smokes will soon be obvious. Stick with it.

Bree, sounds like you did very well with your eBay purchases … what a nice haul.

My pics are 1 neo Blue Blood, pic 2 neo Hot Blooded

Well, it's after midnight ... so bye for now, Shirley


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 24, 2013
12:08 PM

Post #9429991

Hi everyone – It's 5.30am here as I start this and the rain has stopped at last and fortunately for us here there's no damage. Kiama which is about ten minutes south was hit by a mini tornado with lots of trees down and roofs lost including the roof of the new Fire Station. They say the town looks like it's just been bombed!

Jean – 140 brom's? Yep you're addicted and there's no turning back. You'll be pleased with Vr. Erythrodactylon though; it's a species with a beautiful paddle type inflorescence often very large in proportion to the size of the plant.

Sue – Good to see you haven't got any flooding. When you started off with “thunder bolts and lightening, very very frightening.” For a minute there I thought you were going to launch into a poem.

That's the only problem with plants on benches, when something happens to knock one over, it's often the start of “the domino effect” where they all end up going, not a happy sight; Mother Nature can sometimes be very cruel, but I hope you don't sustain any serious damage.

Ian – I tried the Cinnamon treatment a few years back but it didn't work for me, but I know of others who it does work for. As for passing on the information to us here, just cut and paste the required information, it will work as I do it often, or you can just put in the web address and we can all look it up for ourselves.

As for contacting Rob Smythe about his news letter, if you like I'll contact him on your behalf and send him your email details (are they still the same?), just give me “the nod”, and that goes for any others on this site who would like it. I'd better not post his email address as a lot of people don't like to share their email address with everyone, but I'm quite happy to be the “go between” for you.

Did you cross your Treasure Chest with something or was it pollinated by Mother Nature's "little helpers"? In any case I wouldn't mine trying a bit of seed if you can spare some. Also I have some Ae Bromeliifolia albobracteata seed almost ready to harvest if anyone would like some.

Don't worry about the way you feel after giving up the smokes, it will get better. Much better to feel like “crap” for a while than stuffing up your lungs with tar and other toxins! I'm pretty envious of your Ae Chantinii as I can't grow them down here, all I can do is admire the pic's from afar.

Breeindy – Sorry to hear you're flooded in, when the water goes down you should be receiving a little present in the mail from me, posted last Monday to make you a little bit happier. There's no worry about the vegie garden, just tell your partner you'll have that one and he can make a new one for the vegies, Ha! Ha!

Shirley – I'll try and get your Neo. Nivea pup and the Ae. Forest Fire seedlings in the mail today, all going well. Once again they're two more nice looking colourful plants in your pic's; more colour for the living “Bromeliad Portrait”.

A few pic's to finish with, Pic.1 is a batch of my seedings just starting to show a bit of colour, Pic.2 is Racinae Fraseri,. I have a pup from this plant. Pic.3 is a close-up of the flowers of Ques. Liboniana, Pic.4 is a pic of an unusual coloured Aechmea owned by Ross Little (I can't remember the name) and Pic.5 is a shot of part of Ross's Pine Grove Bromeliad Nursery at Wardell.

All the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 24, 2013
12:56 PM

Post #9430068

Nev, or anyone who has one of these.
I have 2 broms named as Nivea.
One was tagged as aech. Nivea and the other is neo. Nivea.
I would like to know if the names are correct or have they just been added to describe the plant.
The neo flowered as a neo does , down in the center ...pic 2
and the other has a nice pale pinkish white flower on a stem...pic 1

Love your pic of aech.Chantini , Ian.
I tried one here once but it definitely doesnt like any cold.
Jean.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 24, 2013
3:07 PM

Post #9430230

geeze, its wet!
Nev, are you saying you have a Racinae pup on offer. I'll put my hand up if you do.
Am posting today for Nev and Ian, so look out for a parcel.
I have spoken to Shane about the Running River saga, and just waiting for permission to quote his answer.
Jean, your Niveas look correct. Not addicted. heh heh.
Shirley, i hope you manage to find some time for your shadehouse extension. Lots to tidy up here too, but it will have to wait for drier weather.
i am off to town for anti inflammatories and to stop going stir crazy.
bree, flooded to the north, and flooded to the south. Hope they have groceries in town! Got to restock the freezer soon. Hubby can't go to work because the highway is closed both ways.
Ian, be strong and stick to your guns! i am dieting and feel very tempted to eat timtams because of the dramas, but am being good. I dried mangoes last night, so got some chewy sweets to keep the timtams at bay!
got 90mm of rain in an hour just after posting yesterday. sigh.
photos below. The new pipe worked and we didn't get water in the garage or container, so got to be happy about that.
photo one is out in the street
photo two, the mondo grass border worked, and I didn't lose any mulch!
photo three, the creek over the back of next doors place burst its banks. they had 7 trees down also
photo four is the front yard
photo five, just for something different, some bromeliads! heh heh
Sue



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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 25, 2013
2:49 AM

Post #9430602

Hi all, it’s been raining here all day non-stop, localised flooding and roads closed and more of our makeover down the hill washed away. Still, that’s nothing compared to the damage that others have suffered.

Nev, good to hear you have had no damage but awful about the damage to Kiama. Lovely colour in your seedlings in pic 1 and some of them look to have variegation … very nice.

Jean, I like both your Niveas.

Sue, hope the rain has let up in Coffs. Since you can’t work outside, take it easy, feet up and rest your back. Hmmm tim tams hey, I love the double choc ones. I think we are in for a lot more rain and as you mention, the ground is so waterlogged already ... I just hope we don’t get any wind for a while.

Trish, I posted a parcel off to you today, you should have it late in the week. I hope it arrives in good condition.

I haven’t been able to get outside at all today, a couple more days like this and I’ll be climbing the walls too. The frogs are making so much noise outside … they’re happy … and the ducks will be loving it too.

Hi to everyone else. Hope anyone who has been crook is on the mend.

Old pics tonight – pic 1 Neophytum Galactic Warrior, pic 2 neo Prinsler, pic 3 neo Darkest Hour, pic 4 neo Old Love Letters

Catch up tomorrow, Shirley

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 25, 2013
11:00 AM

Post #9431151

Hi everyone – A big hello to some of our past “regulars”such as Colleen , (I hope your back is well and truly on the mend by now) and Wendy with her eye problem (I can understand how frustrating it must be to have to rest your eyes and not be able to read or worse still, use the computer) and a big “Get well soon wish” to anyone else I haven't mentioned. Also, “G'day” to those of you who are AWOL and we hope to see you back posting again soon.

Well at least it seems the rain has stopped here in Shellharbour at last, and I was able to get a bit more re-potting done yesterday, but there just seems no end to it. Anyway I'll continue to do a bit each day and hope that old saying of “Slow and steady wins the race” proves to be true.

If there is an “upside” to all of the flooding, it is that our major dam (Warragamba Dam) is at 94.7% capacity the first time in many years; so it looks like no more severe water restrictions for a while, which has to be good news.

On the down side though I see that Gympie is now also under a flood threat and people have been warned to prepare for evacuation, so good luck to all of the people in Gympie, especially those in the brom growing fraternity.

Jean - Yes the names on the two plant you describe are correct. The Aechmea Nivea is actually Ae. Gamosepala var. Nivea and looks just like the common Gamosepala except the flower colours are different. Where the flowers of the common gamosepala are lolly pink with light to deep mauve petals the variety Nivea has pinkish flowers with white petals exactly like the one in your pic..

The Neo 'Nivea” is a species which is unusual as it turns to almost pure white in the centre at maturity. I posted a pic of a fully coloured mature plant back on Feb 14th and judging from your pic., your plant has a little way to go yet before it's fully coloured.

Sue – I hope you're coping well with all the water, although it's never easy as everything, even things inside the house seem damp. About your question for clarification about the Racinae “pup”, I should have written “I have recently obtained a pup from this plant”, and although it's growing fast I still only have the one. I believe it's pretty scarce as I waited over a year before I got mine (maybe it's a slow grower) but if you're still looking for one when I eventually get a spare pup, I'll put your name on it if you like.

I eagerly await Shane's Zaghini's answer to your questions about the 'Running River' saga and let's hope it will clear up a few questions for us.

It looks like you and Bill are marooned, but at least you can still get to a shop. Once all the food has gone though, there are still some of the Aechmeas, Ananas and Acantostachys you can eat, so you won't starve... Just a thought; but have you thought about growing Water Lilies?

Shirley – It looks like you'll have some major work to do with your garden down the hill when the rain eventually stops. There us a positive out of all of this though and that's at least the frogs are loving it. I remember I grew up always hearing the frogs at night where I previously lived, but it's only during the last couple of years I'm starting to hear them here in Shellharbour. The sad thing is their natural habitat is being destroyed by developers, however the good thing to come out of this is that they, like many of the smaller bush birds are now coming into town to visit us more often.

Just to brighten everyone's day, I'll finish with some pic's of some beautiful Neo's belonging to a friend who has given me permission to use them. A few of you know her and her name is Germaine Windspear and she lives in Far North Queensland and although she still has a few of her favourites, she had to sell most of her collection as she was moving to a new location, so I hope you enjoy her pic's as much as I did.

All the best, Nev.

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 25, 2013
12:19 PM

Post #9431242

Nev, those are beautiful pics. Its sad to have to sell off ones plants after so many years of growing.
I hope all of you up north are safe and not too badly affected by flood waters.

Sue, you will need that boat from the garden again.

Shirley, I cant wait until my Prinsler looks like yours, very lovely.

Thank you all for the info on my Niveas. I thought I may have one of them wrong. Its nice to know they are bothy correct.
Nev I have watched the neo Nivea as it has grown from just a green pup to starting to get the white center.

I have no pics to add today but hopefully the mail will bring one of my new broms so I can show you .
Jean.
ianperry

February 26, 2013
3:00 AM

Post #9431951

Hi all, Sue i thought you were into landscaping, well using that much water is different. Waterscape eh. I wouldn't swap for quids, even lots of em. As I look at Pic 5 I think of an old song , well 1 line from it anyway. Water(rain) dripping off the brim of the pot(hat) and it runs down the road. Just a bit of fun, I hope.

Nev, Mother nature and maybe 1 or 2 little helpers fertilised N treasure chest. I have tried a few seeds to check for germination, but that was Monday I ought to know by Saturday. If fertile there are plenty of them.
Yes please give my address to Rob Smythe so I may learn more. He lives only 4 hours by road from me, so 1 day maybe I will get to meet him.

Shirley we don't get much cold here, usually not enough to flower Til Xerographica, This year I am going to try refrigeration at night and outside during the day. This is just another experiment that i propose to try.

I went to the vampires this morning and then went back to work so that i could break my fast. Why do they always make us so unnatural. I deliberately left out my Champix this morning as it has to be taken with food or it really upsets the stomach.Started again tonight. Will find out about test results maybe on Friday, then we see where we go from there. We have had a few good heavy rainfalls this afternoon and evening but I do not expect flooding to be a problem here.I could be wrong though, we are dealing with Mother Nature. It is bucketing down now at 9.00pm almost.
Have a good one
Ian

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 26, 2013
4:29 AM

Post #9431978

Hi all, another day of rain, rain and more bloody rain … like everyone else, I’m over it.

Nev, good to hear the rain has stopped in Shellharbour. While prolonged heavy rain does cause some road closures, most of the flooding here is caused when water is released from North Pine Dam.

Nev, the broms in your pics look sensational … I wish my collection looked like that. How difficult would it be to pick out just a few favourites from those beauties.

Jean, it’s great that you get so much pleasure from your broms and you continue to add to your collection, even though you’re not the least bit addicted.

Ian, hope you get good results from your blood tests.

Just to add to the Vr Ro Ro versus Vr Highway Beauty challenge … I have always thought I had two of the same plant, Vr Highway Beauty. One of them lives in the shade house down the back and is in quite a lot of shade, the other is in the new brom house, which gets lots of bright light. I have never looked at them close together but I took a photo of each of them today and they are quite different … perhaps I have a Vr Ro Ro and a Vr Highway Beauty afterall, though I have no idea which is which. I don’t know if they are different plants or different because of different growing conditions. Anyway, I'll add a pic of both of them.

Hoping for a fine day here tomorrow and fingers crossed that everyone else gets the same.

Shirley


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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 26, 2013
12:24 PM

Post #9432576

Hi everyone – Hopefully no one has been washed away yet, and anyone's flood damage is just minor. I look at all of the pic's, even the ones I took here a few years back when we had local flooding and think what a wise move it was when we bought our house here on top of the rise in the highest part of Shellharbour. I know I've had a lot of whinges about getting bashed around with the wind but when I think of the alternative of being protected from wind in the lower areas of town, the problem of possible flooding is much worse.

Hopefully everyone who's on the sick list is on the improve, and those with flood damage and loss of power and internet connectivity due to flooding are at last getting things sorted out and will be back posting again soon.

Well it's happened! I've finally made a start on my "stock taking" and preparing a new plant list (just the Neo's at this stage) and what a job I've taken on. I only did one small area covered by shade cloth yesterday and it took me about three hours to pull out the name tags, check all the names and record around 40 plants and that's just the ones in pots and not those in the garden below them, so I'll be at it for a while and during that time I still want to do a bit of seedling re-potting each day so that doesn't get away from me again.

Jean – Yes they are beautiful pic's; Germaine certainly has a knack of getting the colour mix just right doesn't she? Even though they're not my plants I though they would be a good “pick me up” for those of us who are suffering the effects of the on-going rain.

With the Neo. Nivea, a lot of growers here (and overseas) experience a little bit of leaf-tip die-back in some years. I've read about this on two of the forums I visit regularly and no one seems to have an answer as to why it happens or what can be done to prevent it. I guess it can just be put down to “one of those things”

Ian – In my opinion, the fact that “Mother Nature” (and her helpers) were responsible for the 'Treasure Chest' seed just adds more interest to the “waiting game” and as we all know, there's been many beautiful plant produced by Mother Nature. There are hundreds of hybrids on the BCR where just the name of the seed parent is listed and instead saying the cross was done by “Natures Way” the grower still wants to get the credit for the results by letting people assume that the pollen parent was a NOID and that's why the name wasn't listed. Let's be honest, who cares how the cross was done? It doesn't stop us from enjoying the beauty of the resulting plants.

When I'm checking for viability, I usually just drop a few seeds in a tiny jar of water with a screw cap and place it in a warm spot out of direct sun. It always gives me an accurate result and is much quicker and easier than having to prepare containers to actually sow the seed in. Besides, this way you don't unnecessarily waste containers and mix on sowing seed that's not fertile.

I'll wait a couple of days before sending your email details to Rob in case there are others here who would like to be included and I'll send them all off together.

It's interesting what you say about the unnatural way they want your body prepared before a blood test e.g. fasting. I've also often noticed that a “good” Chiropractor will always ask for X-Rays to be done in your natural "standing position" and not lying down. That gives an accurate image of your body is in the normal everyday position so the Chiropractor can identify the problem. This can't be done with you lying flat with your body nice and straight just to match up with the marked "guide lines" and to make it easier for the radiologist to get a good picture.

Shirley – Looking at the 'Ro Ro' verses 'Highway Beauty' saga once again I still can't tell the difference as there are so many variables. The picture of your plant on the left is a magnificent example but which one is it? The markings are so uniform it is almost a paxianum form. The plant in the other picture has more spasmodic variegation and resembles a plant in the process of reverting back to a plain leaf (which they sometimes do)

I don't understand all of the technical talk as I'm certainly not a taxonomist and just go on what I can see; but if you look at the pic's of 'Ro Ro' on the BCR you will see many different looking plants. http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=VRIESEA&id=9056#9056

Even the pic's of 'Highway Beauty' show a variation in leaf pattern, and one of the plants pictured on the BCR looks very much like the plant in your second picture and if I were to use pic's as the only source to ID a plant from, I would certainly say your second plant is 'Highway Beauty'.
http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/bcg/bcr/index.php?genus=VRIESEA&id=8684#8684

Maybe the difference will be revealed by a close-up study and comparison of the flowers from each plant, but I certainly don't know the difference:

Shirley, did both of your plants come from the same source and did they look alike when you first got them? If that's the case, then maybe the difference is a result of growing under differing degrees of light. In this case I would think the plant in the right pic would have to be the one growing in the most shade; what does everyone else think?

I'll finish off with five more of Germaine's pictures just to get your collective mouths watering. Pic.1 is Neo. 'Blue Boy', Pic.2 is Neo. 'Passion', Pic.3 is Neo. 'Blackout', Pic.4 is Neo. 'Dusky Rose' and Pic.5 is Neo, 'Lavender Lovely'

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 26, 2013
12:48 PM

Post #9432618

Doesnt Highway Beauty have cream edges with green middle and Roro have green edges with cream middle? Seems like that in the pics from the brom register site. If thats the case both of Shirleys are Roro and both of mine are Roro. I really like that first one Shirley is that the shadier one?

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 27, 2013
5:09 AM

Post #9433317

Hi everyone – gee, it’s gone quiet again here on the forum … where is everyone.

Nev, I received my parcel today in the mail, thank you so much. I have my new pups sitting in the ‘magic potion’ tonight and I will pot them up in the morning … thanks again. I would think the Ae Forest Fire will be fairly fast growing and will grow quite large, similar in size to Ae Blanchetiana ... am I right?

Nev, I wouldn’t mind adding my name to the list of email addresses you are sending to Rob Smythe to receive a copy of his newsletter … also, if you still have it, would you mind resending the email you sent me this morning, please. Also Nev, can you explain ‘paxianum form’ for me please.

The two vrieseas came from different sources, and each of them looks pretty much the same now as they did when I bought them. The one in my pic on the right, which I have decided is Vr Highway Beauty, has always had a lot more green in the leaves. For now, until someone can tell me different, I am going to call the one on the left Vr Ro Ro. I don’t think the degree of light has made a difference but I am going to place them side by side in the brighter area to see if there are any changes. I will take a photo when I put them together and I’ll take another in 6 months’ time for comparison.

Bree, reading through the notes of Vr Ro Ro, it says the leaves can be either variegated or albo-marginated. And damn it, I think the first pic of Vr Ro Ro looks very much like the one I have just decided to call Vr Highway Beauty … it’s all too hard.

Bree, the first one has been in the brightly lit area and I am going to put them both there and see if there’s any change.

Pic 1 is Ae Fosters Freckles, 2 is neo Green Olive (It was green when I bought it), 3 is neo Tristis Fleur, 4 is bill Muriel Waterman

Till tomorrow, Shirley

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 27, 2013
11:58 AM

Post #9433788

Hi everyone, or should I just say Shirley and Breeindy? I have to agree with you Shirley, it has gone very quiet on here, where has everyone gone? I guess it's just down to you, Breeindy and myself to keep things moving along as we really don't want to lose such a friendly little forum do we?

Here we are at the last day of summer, where is the year going to? It seems as we get older time certainly goes faster and I am finding it's flying faster than ever, so I try and make the best of every day.

Breeindy – As I said yesterday in the discussion about Vr. 'Ro Ro' Versus Vr. 'Highway Beauty'; “Maybe the difference will be revealed by a close-up study and comparison of the flowers from each plant, but I certainly don't know the difference”.

I've based what I said mainly on what I've seen and what was said on one of the Bromeliad Forum Garden Web threads some time ago by people much more knowledgeable than me.

On this particular thread which was called “Big Red Brom”, there was a picture of a plant with no variegation named as Vr. 'Highway Beauty' NOVAR and now known as Vr. 'Highway', and one of a second plant with green leaf edges and a central white/pink strip. When discussing the plants pictured, the second response was from “pinkbroms” which we now know is the “pen name” of Ross Little from “Pine Grove Bromeliad Nursery” at Wardell and who along with other taxonomists specialises in sorting out naming problems. As he is very knowledgeable especially on Vrieseas, I tend to believe what he wrote which was:

“Hi Guys, for starters there is no plant named Vr. Highway Beauty 'Novar'. the non variegated form which is pictured here is possibly Vr. Highway. The variegated form shown is possibly Vr. Highway Beauty, if it is, it was a variegated sport from the original hybrid believed to be done in N.Z. in the 60's of Vr. Saundersii x Bituminosa, later named Vr. Highway, both of these parents have yellow to yellow/green flower spikes, so where did the pink come from ???, this is why I say possibly.

Note: not to be confused with Vr. RoRo, which is Vr. Saundersii x Platynema & can be variegated or albo-marginated. Have a look at the flower spike on these cross's & see if any-one can tell me or see the difference between RoRo & Highway or Highway Beauty”.

If you go to: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/bromeliad/msg0421341431740.html you can read the whole discussion and see the pic's, then you can be just as confused as me.

Are you getting mail through yet after the flooding? I sent you a small cylindrical parcel which should have been there by now, and if you haven't received it maybe it's worth inquiring at the P.O. as it may have been misplaced during the confusion caused by the flooding . It has a return address on it and as I haven't got it back, it's still getting around somewhere.

Shirley – I'm please you received your parcel O.K and to answer you question, you say “new pups”, actually there was only one pup and that was the Neo 'Nivea', the other plants were all Ae. 'Forest Fire' x Self seedlings which unfortunately should have been potted on two years ago, hence the vast difference in size. I haven't grown any Ae. 'Forest Fire' x Self seedlings to maturity yet but as 'Forest Fire' is Ae. Blanchetiana x Ae. Eurycorymbus I would expect they would be of similar size. I can't guarantee the cross though as the seed came from America and maybe the ants there are just as active as they are here, however as you saw from the pic's of the re-potted seedlings I posted recently, some of the foliage colours look promising. The flowers range from deep pink through to flame red and are shown on the FCBS Photo Index. I think you will find that as soon as you pot them up and give them a bit of fertiliser, they will really “take off” as they have been starved of food for almost two years.

As for you question about the word ‘paxianum form’, I looked this up and used it rather than write a long description of the leaf of the plant in question. It means, “with green leaf margins and a single broard median white stripe”. I said “it is almost a paxianum form”, I used the word “almost” because your plant had the odd fine stripe on some leaves and not a plain white central broard strip on all of them; in fact unles the camera lies the central strip in your pic looks a very pale pink. I guess I should leave the “taxonomic terms” to the taxonomists, that way I won't confuse myself and others.

I don't know if you've read it, but there is a handy little book called “Growing Bromeliads” (third edition) and produced by the The Bromeliad Society of Australia; it's great little book and among other things, has a very handy glossary of terms as well as an interesting section on Variegation in Bromeliads (Chapter 19). In this section it shows “line drawings” of the various leaf patterns with their names. It's not a very expensive book and well worth having as it's written by Australian brom growers for Australian conditions and full of useful information. We sell quite a few of these at our annual shows as it's easy to understand and not full of the usual “technical over your head stuff” that new growers don't need.

I'll send your email address to Rob and ask that you and Ian be put on his “mail out list” for Bromwatch Townsville. Could you please send me a D-Mail with your email address so I can check that what I have is correct?

That's a beautiful plant in your second picture with nice wide leaves and clear colour but I doubt if it is 'Green Olive' as I've never seen Neo. 'Green Olive' show those colours before; even when fully mature it's in shades of green with dark maroon leaf tips. I can just make out the fine semi-concentric lines which could indicate it has Neo. Concentrica in its breeding just the same as Neo. 'Green Olive' does and I was wondering if it could maybe be a hybrid of 'Green Olive' and not have the full formula name on the tag? I think you're on a winner here, and in my opinion (for what it's worth) I think it will be a far better plant than Neo. 'Green Olive' and if it ever needs a holiday, it can come down here to Shellharbour and I'll take good care of it for you.

That's it for today so now some breakfast and back to the “stock take” but first another five of Germaine's pic's to brighten our day.

All the best, Nev.

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

February 27, 2013
9:13 PM

Post #9434194

Hi Shirley and Nev. Yeah what happened to everyone else, busy after the stoms and flooding.
I sold a few orchids on ebay and Wayne from Australian orchid nursery bought one, he said he hasnt had rain for months and his had to buy truck loads of water. Weird weather thats for sure!
All my broms are looking good as its been cloudy and they are getting a nicer colour under less light, i really do need to put up shadecloth (it just looks daggy though i think) well how im going to do it it will. hehe! I just want a bit in a section of my garden.
Nev- received my postal tube today. Thankyou very much, can you tell me which brom it is? I'll get my bum in gear and post you a few that you asked me for.
Hope everything back to normal at Sues place with the flooding?
Here my 1. Roro and 2. Highway Beauty.

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

February 28, 2013
5:12 AM

Post #9434290

Hi Nev and Bree, looks like just the three of us again. Hopefully Trish will be back on the weekend and other regulars like Sue, Ian, Jean and Wendy will be back soon.

Like you say Nev, summer is over and I’m not sorry to see the end of it as it has been hotter than I can ever remember. I think as we get older the seasons seem to get harsher every year.

Nev, I potted up neo Nivea and all of the Forest Fire seedlings. I overpotted them and fertilized them and I’m hoping they take off. Thanks for sending my email address to Rob Smythe.

Nev, I checked the BCR and their pic of neo Green Olive looks nothing like mine but I wonder if it gets its’ colour from its’ pollen parent, neo Morris Henry Hobbs and when it pups, I will send you one. Those bromeliad pics you posted as just stunning.

Bree, a couple of years back we were buying in water too. Now, I just wish the rain would stop … I’m well and truly over it. According to tonight’s weather forecast, it’s going to hang around for another week or more.

A lot of my succulents, especially the echeverias, are turning to mush. I’m just hoping my broms don’t start to rot with such prolonged rain. I know everything in the house feels damp and it’s starting to smell like wet dog. The grass is going to be two foot tall before we get a chance to mow.

The last day of the working week tomorrow and the onset of autumn, it sure comes round quickly.

Pic 1 is Vr Chieftain x Angela, 2 is neo Beefsteak, 3 is Ae Mend, 4 is Bill Hallelujah

Bye for now, Shirley

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

February 28, 2013
12:25 PM

Post #9434687

Hi everyone – Happy first day of Autumn! Just for the record, it's been raining all night and is still pouring now as I type. The "Kurrawongs" are all singing their heads off, a sure sign of more rain. It looks like just the “Three Musketeers” once again; it's good to see we can keep things going until the others return. I know they're out there but as you say Bree, probably too busy cleaning up after the flooding; after all it is a matter of priorities. But that doesn't let the others that aren't in a flood area “off the hook”, as they say in the add,”where the bloody hell are ya”?

Breeindy – I'm pleased you got your little “pressie”, I thought for a minute it had gone astray. It's a pup from Neo. 'Bird Rock'. I posted a pic of it some time back and I remembered you saying you liked it and would have to add it to your wish list. Well your wish has come true and I don't expect anything in return for it as it was just a little “gift”. How was it after it's long wait inside the cylinder in the dark?

You say you'll have to put up some shade cloth but, “it just looks daggy “. I have to agree with you as it does I feel detract from the garden theme, but then it is sometimes a necessary evil, especially in areas where you get extreme heat, cold or hail.

I have found that the green colour blends much better into the surrounding garden than the beige colour which I personally think is ugly; but in my experience the results from growing beneath the beige coloured cloth far surpass the other colours and I would say that the colours in my Neo's have improved by 20% since I changed the shade cloth on the roof of my Neo. shade house to beige. (still doesn't alter the fact that I hate the colour)

You don't need to post me any plants yet; wait until I get this list done and you can pick what you want in exchange for them. I'm about 1/10th of the way through them and at last count there were 548 different Neo. varieties so you'll have plenty to pick from. I haven't even thought about starting on the Vrieseas, Bill's or Aechmeas as that will be another big job, but I must do it as I have to swap/sell a lot as I've run out of space and people need to see a list to get an idea of what I have.

Nice looking Highway Beauty/Ro Ro plants, (I still can't tell the difference)

Shirley – What had me “tossed” about your Green Olive plant was the fact that it has nice colour as a pup and yet the adults are supposed to be green. I've always found that pups start off as green and then change colour as they mature, not the other way around.

When I look at the registration info. on the BCR again I think I might have the reason. Neo. 'Green Olive' was registered thirty six years ago in 1977 and at that time a lot of brom growers were still using the “old” naming system; the one used by orchid growers, ie. the whole grex was registered under the same name and any exceptional plants from that grex were then given a varietal name to differentiate them from others in the grex. So if this happened it's possible there are still hundreds of plants getting around under the Neo.'Green Olive' name even though they are all different; just the same as there are still may plants getting around with the grex name of 'Aussie Dream' (which was never registered as an individual name in the first place).

As you say, your plant could have got its colour from Neo. 'Morris Henry Hobbs' because one of the general findings of hybridisers is, “the seed parent usually influences shape and size, and the pollen parent usually influences colour” and in this case Morris Henry Hobbs was the pollen parent.

What ever the reason, yours is still a beautiful plant and I would very much like to take up your kind offer of a pup when you get one spare as I'm sure I will have something you would like in return.

You say you are concerned that with all of this rain some of your brom's could rot. It shouldn't be a problem if you have good space between your plants, but if you are still concerned, just empty out your plants and lay them on their side for a couple of days to prevent them getting any more water in their cups; but don't forget to stand them up again after a few days or they will start to grow crooked. Another thing you can do (when it stops raining) is to put a fan in your shade house to help circulate the air more efficiently to aid drying out. I had a friend who did this regularly with his export orchids after every deep watering, and he would have anything up to five or six fans going in his large shade house, and after about half a day everything was back to normal. Pedestal fans are very cheap now and can be brought in Bunnings for as little as $10 but you need to get in quick as the heaters will soon be on the shelves and the fans put away until the warmer weather returns.

More nice pic's from you again today Shirley, but they seem very big and slow to open this morning; is DG playing games with us again?

It looks like my “Stock Take” is off today and I'll have to go back under cover in the garage and continue re-potting some more seedlings, but first I have to try and find some file pic's to post as I've run out of new ones.

Here's a few random old file shots to finish with Pic.1 is Neo 'Garnish', Pic.2 Neo 'Noble Descent' (grown under low light), Pic.3 Neo. 'Burgundy, Pic.4 Neo. 'Moby Dick', and Pic.5 is just a random garden shot...The pale green variegated plant at the front is one I bred using my Neo. 'Painted Lady' variegated (sport) as one of the parents).

All the best, Nev.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

February 28, 2013
1:04 PM

Post #9434716

Good morning, sorry I have been absent. I did drop in to read the posts, but took my chances when the weather has a break, to get outside and continue wth the clean up. Hubby has been stuck at home, as we were cut off in both directions with water over the road, and the highway between here and kempsey finally opened late yesterday afternoon, so hes back to work today (trucking)
I finally started the process of going through the broms, repotting and salvaging what I can of the squashed ones. I bought troughs from Kmart and am putting the minis into these and lining the garden edges with them, as there is plenty of dappled shade in the garden, and they should do well there, as well as look good for me. The crushed ones are going to be spread around in the gardens too, and although my back is feeling better, I'm not up for too long spent bent over, so that will happen little bit, by bit. The shelving is still in pieces, as it is too muddy to get to it at the moment. I am thinking about digging a channel at the back of the igloo, and down the sides to see if i can divert water, but I really think there are springs popping up under the weedmat, so it might not make any difference. It might happpen that we have to pick the whole thing up (8 people, each holding a leg) and walk it to a better spot, but then I'll need to get a bobcat in to level a site, and how much mess would that make? So I am not worrying about any of that just yet. The broms currently in there are up, out of the muck, and still protected by the shade cloth, so they'll be ok for now.
Now that the highway is open, I am expecting a delivery from hastings horticultural supplies, and will have hangers to put on all the remaining minis, so they can go down each side of the igloo, off the tophat pieces, as long as they aren't heavy, and with the change of potting mix, that should be overcome.
The sale was a non event, with the terrible weather, and it seems the rain is going to be here for another week yet, so I won't waste my time and money organising another sale, but I might make a flier advertising broms for sale, with my contact number, and post it down at the local shops. You never know?
Yesterday started with a shower, but then cleared upwith some sunny patches and i even managed to get the linen washed and dried! There were a few spits through the day, but no rain as yet. The humidity is at 83% though, so you can imagine, when the sun came out yesterday, it was so steamy. I had to drink heaps of water to replace what I sweated.
So, thats my week.
Shirley, your Neo. 'Tristis Fleur' looks alot like N. smithii. I looked it up in the brom photo index, but it wasn't there. I have to assume N. smithii is a parent? I'm not familiar with N. 'Green olive' but yours is lovely. I know what you mean about the house feeling damp. I mopped the floors because they felt sticky, but it made no difference. Oil of cloves is good to use on timber furniture, to clean off mould, and can also be used on leather. I googled it for recommended dosage and recipes.
Nev, I think I may have even started a discussion on Vriesea. 'Ro Ro' versus V. 'Highway Beauty' on Garden web. I also had a discussion about it with Ross a few years ago, and remember the doubt about the parentage of V. bitumosa. I bought V. 'Ro Ro' from Ross, and when posting a pic of the adult plant on FB, Jack told me it was 'Highway beauty' and I thought, 'here we go again'
Even the experts can get it wrong. By the way, I don't have V. 'Ro Ro' anymore, but Colleen bought some pups from me awhile back, so maybe she still has a plant she can photograph for us, to compare. I really think they are the same plant. And really, when you look at how beautiful they are, who cares what the name is? In the collection I bought, there are two Vrieseas with the same look, and I am not going to try and get an ID, for fear of opening up that can of worms again.
Don't apologise for introducing us to new botanical terms. Its nice to learn something new. I am familiar with medio picta, but hadn't heard the term paxianum form, even though I posess the book you referred to. Is that where you came across the term? You should get a parcel from me this week too, also Ian.
I have some of your eurycorymbus x blanchettiana (or was it vice versa?) seedlings in the garden. They are large plants so far, and have good colour. I will take a photo once i clean up said garden. It has alot of branches in it, and summer weeds are popping up. There is also a nest of jumping ants in there, which makes it exciting when trying to do any work. you have to have eyes in the back of your head to avoid being bitten by them!
Bree, your two plants of Ro Ro and Highway beauty are gorgeous. Where was this orchid grower located, that was buying in water? VIC? I had a friend from melbourne visit the other day, and they haven't had desent rain since december, and when we were in bendigo, they hadn't had desent rain since july. Sucks to be them! The orchids from you are all doing really well, and the large one (king orchid?) has been mounted on a golden cane at eye level, and has a new stem already. As for your shadecloth, even though daggy, it would certinly help protect your investment in bromeliads. Maybe a nice shade sail, if you can afford one, or at least a peice of cloth that has had the edges sewn, to make it look a bit neater? I have planted Bangalow palms, tree ferns and even cordylines for dappled shade, and they are now at the stage where they are providing a good ammount, but it has been a few years now.
photo one is the troughs all planted up
Photo two is in the rain the other day, showing N. 'Downs Autumn' to the left and N. smithii to the right
Photo three is a group, from top left, clockwise, N. 'Mactiger' , N. 'Painted Lady' N. 'Yang'? N. 'Running' or 'Red River', N. 'Fosperior Perfection', N. 'Jewellery Shop' and N. 'Blushing tiger
Photo four is another group, but too many to list, just ask if interested
Photo five is an orchid, think its Miltonia 'Goddall Moir'
Sue

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77sunset
Merino
Australia

February 28, 2013
8:46 PM

Post #9435094

Hello everyone. I am enjoying all the pics as usual. So many beautiful broms.
I need to get a few more...lol
Where I will put them I havent a clue as yet.
I still have a couple to come that I bought. ...vr, White Chestnut and vr, Pink Blush
\I htink its nice to have a mystery surrounding the two broms Highway Beauty & RoRo.
It may make a difference if one wanted to breed them but I really don tcare because theya re both so pretty.
I bought mine as vr. Highway Beauty so thats what it will stay.

pic 1...my new vr. Highway Beauty...lots of red on the tips and under sides.

pic 2.. another new fellow...White Chestnut.

pic 3 ..my Chieftan x Angela (plant 4).. a bit different to yours, Shirley... goes to show the variety in a batch.

pic 4...I couldnt resist showing...vr. heiroglyphica x Red Chestnut again. It has grown so quickly . I love it.

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

March 1, 2013
4:53 AM

Post #9435187

Hi all, another rainy day here … and lots more of them ahead.

Nev, thanks for the tips on drying out waterlogged broms. Your neo Burgundy is very dark, almost black and very nice.

Sue, what a great idea, putting the minis into troughs and lining the garden edges with them. Sorry your sale was a flop and your weather is still crappy … ours is the same here. I think I remember buying some Oil of Cloves when I saw a hint on using it on Current Affair or some like programme but I haven’t a clue what I might have done with it.

Looking forward to seeing your Forest Fire seedlings, Sue … beware the jumping ants.

Jean, if you’re looking for a place to put any of your new broms, just send them up here … very happy to oblige and I’ll take very good care of them for you. I like the ones you have just bought, especially Vr White Chestnut. Your Vr Chieftain x Angela is a bit different to mine, it looks to be darker, mine is quite pinkish.

A couple of NOID neo pics tonight … can anyone help to ID them please.

Hope everyone has a good weekend,

Shirley

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

March 1, 2013
1:05 PM

Post #9435631

good morning, hey, guess what? Its raining!
arggghhhhhh.
I did 5 hours of repotting yesterday, and got about 100 minis into 50 pot with hangers and sorted plants that will need to go into the garden. I really want to get stuck in but can't get into the black igloo now, as its turned to muck again. I did dig a bit of a trench, which is working, but I only had the strength to do about a third of it, so not enough to make much of a difference overall. While it wasn't raining yesterday morning, I tried to get as many trays of plants under cover as I could, so that I could work on them while it was raining, but they're pretty much all done now. How frustrating. We can't even get in and rebuild the shelves.
The forecast is for rain all week, so no respite on the horizon. I might pack up the caravan and head back to Lightning Ridge! I'm sure it will be dry out there!
Shirley, I can't help with either of your NOIDs, except to say the first one look rather large. Have you flowered the second one yet? If not, I was thinking it may flush colour at flowering,which could make it easier to identify?
I got up to the garden with the big seedlings, plants really. I pulled all the fallen branches off, and yes, managed to avoid the ants. Angry little so and sos. I didn't get a photo as I didn't have the camera, BUT, if it ever stops raining, I will take a heap of photos to get me through, as I have nothing to share today.
:-(
Jean, Jean, Jean, look at you. I think you are in the early stages of addiction, and if you don't get it under control it could blow out into full scale collecting! I must say I like your V. 'White Chestnut' too, and your V. 'Highway Beauty' is, as you say, so pretty. I hope you haven't started to neglect your Iris, Epis and Brugs?
I have a request. Can everyone please have a word in mother natures ear and ask her to give us, here on the mid north coast, a break from the rain? Maybe she will listen if a few of her fellow gardeners put in a good word?
I wonder how hubby would feel if I bring seedlings in to pot up on the dining room table? Exscuse me, I'm of to pose the question
Sue

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

March 1, 2013
1:09 PM

Post #9435634

Hi everyone – It rained all day here yesterday without a minute's let-up but during the night it stopped and now at 5.00am it's still stopped so I'm hopeful for a fine day as it's our usual monthly Brom Society Meeting and we want a good roll-up as we have a guest speaker coming to speak on a new range of natural products.

Sue- It seems like the bad weather has really set you back with the work you intended doing, but as you say, every thing's up out of the wet so they're OK for now. It seems though that if the water is coming from a spring beneath the weed mat the only thing you can do is look for eight strong blokes. You can then direct them each to a leg and give the order to “quick march”. You will have to put on your “Bob the Builder's” hat and wear a high visibility vest so it will be obvious you are the “site supervisor” though. This way you won't put any more strain on your sore back and can stand back and get a better view of what is happening.

I had never seen Neo. 'Tristis Fleur' before Shirley posted her pic and I too thought it looked like Neo.'Smithii', either that or may have been a hybrid with some Neo 'Smithii' in the breeding somewhere. I couldn't find it on the BCR either but then I remembered there was a species called Neo 'Tristis' and I looked up the species list on the FCBS Photo Index, I found it. It is similar in colour to Shirley's plant but just a bit paler, so maybe Shirley's plant was one of the better coloured pups to come from Neo.'Tristis' and was given the unregistered varietal name of “Fluer” to distinguish it from the usual Neo 'Tristis' plants.

Sue I didn't even know you on the “Garden Web” (it seems so long ago) what name did you go under in those days? All of these fancy names really gets me confused, I really don't know why we have to use them as a lot of us sign off with our real name anyway. I got the impression there was always a bit of competition between Ross and Jack as they always seemed to be correcting each other, and like you said, “ I bought V. 'Ro Ro' from Ross, and when posting a pic of the adult plant on FB, Jack told me it was 'Highway beauty' and I thought, 'here we go again'”. If this is what the experts think, what chance do we have? We should never lose sight of the fact that not everyone knows everything, not even the experts; although some of the “big guns” think they do.

In answer to where I found the term “paxianum”, it was on page 109 of that book I mentioned “Growing Bromeliads”and was number 6 in the Figure 10 list, “Visual forms of variegates in leaf section”. I have many books on brom's but I think that one and another little one put out by the Queensland Society (which I don't remember the name of) and I think was either written or edited by Lynn Hudson are two of the best small inexpensive books available. True they aren't full of beautiful colour photographs, but they are both full of good information explained in simple everyday language that everyone can understand.

As for your question about the Ae. Eurycorymbus x Blanchetiana seedlings, most of those crosses of the larger Aechmeas were done both ways, so it's what ever the formula is on the name tag. From the feedback I've had about others I've sent up north to the warmer weather, they all appear to be largish plants and more suited to the landscape garden than pot culture.

Just a little tip about the “Jumping Ants”; if you ever get stung, just try dissolving a soluble aspirin (not Panadol (paracetamol) it must be aspirin) in your mouth in your own saliva. Then, rub it into the stung area... “instant relief”. I got that one from a N.Z. Doctor on late night TV many years ago and I've used it on all sorts of insect stings including “Bull Ants”. (It even sometimes works with “Blue Bottle”stings).

Just an interesting note about the “King Orchid”. This is the largest of all Australian native Dendrobium orchids and was often called "Rock Lily" (even though they aren't a Lily). When I grew orchids it was originally known as Dendrobium 'Speciosum' and later called Dendrobium “Speciosum var. tarberi”. Since having recently achieved independent species status it has had another name change to Dendrobium 'Tarberi'. Apparently this name comes from the fact that the local (Brisbane) aborigines originally called it Tar-Beri.

I remember when we were kids of about ten or so, a couple of us used to go with one of the old local ladies into the bush to help her gather fire wood. On day I noticed this strong sweet smell and asked what it was, and after promising never to tell anyone, she led us up though the Lantana to a large boulder which to us seemed “enormous” (but in actual fact was about ten feet square on the flat top of the rock) This was completely covered with Rock Lillies (Dendrobium Speciosum) in full flower and that's where the strong perfume was coming from. I went back there many years later when I became interested in orchids with the intention of photographing the plant during the flowering season but all I found were a few bits and pieces around the edge of where the main clump had been. Then I noticed there had been a track made in from the top of the ridge to where the boulder was and this was how the plants had been taken out by someone probably just after a “quick quid”.

Sorry, I do get carried away a bit these days; any way back to brom's. I like your troughs Sue they look good the way they follow the natural curve of the path and I can just visualise them in a year or two when the minis spill over the edge and make a natural border. The plants in the other pic's look great too. It never ceases to amaze me how much better the plant colours look after a shower of rain; you can never seem to replicate that look even if you water them, they just never seem to look quite as good.

Jean – It's nice to see you dropping in again and from what you say I think all the signs are there to suggest your “Bromelitis” is really starting to get out of control.

I think you're doing the right thing with your 'Highway Beauty', just leave the same name on it that was on it when you bought it, as it's pretty obvious by now that even the experts can't decide which is which.

Jean you say, “its nice to have a mystery surrounding the two broms”; let me add that after you've been growing brom's for a few more years you'll find you certainly aren't short of mysteries, they just keep on cropping up – that's one of the things that makes growing them so interesting.

All of the plants in your pictures are looking nice and healthy and soon will be getting bigger and bigger and then you'll have to move to a “two acre block” just to accommodate them all.

Shirley – The Neo. Burgundy you commented on is a nice plant, it's to bad that the owner (me) hadn't cleaned it up and removed the cobwebs before taking the picture.

Your mention of “Oil of Cloves” reminded me that I hadn't commented on Sue's use of it for cleaning off mould. I hadn't heard of that before but it's handy to know. We often used it at work in the Ambulance Room for people with toothache. We would saturate a “cotton bud” with it and tell the patient to place it over the cavity and bite on it to hold it firmly in place for five minutes. This would squeeze out the oil of cloves and let it penetrate the cavity where it seemed to quieten down the exposed nerve. It was only a temporary relief but better than nothing at three in the morning when teeth seem to ache the most.

I too am looking forward to seeing some of the flowers on the Ae. 'Forest Fire' x seedlings. I have seen pic's of the mother plant as well as the pic's on the FCBS Photo Index, in fact the bottom pic is identical to the flowers on the plant the seed came from. There's even a possibility we could get flowers like the beautiful scarlet coloured ones shown in the top pic...with seedlings you never know.

Sorry I can't help you with names for your two NOIDS. I do think though that the first one does show a touch of Neo. Concentrica in it's breeding, so perhaps a name like Neo ? “Concentrica hybrid” would be better than nothing; either that or give all of your NOIDS different numbers like I do so you don't get them mixed up at dividing/re-potting time.

Seeing Sue's pic's prompted me to get out and take a few pic's around the garden in between showers yesterday so today's pic are all just random garden shots.

All the best, Nev.

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splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

March 1, 2013
1:18 PM

Post #9435641

Hi Again - Sue you "pipped me at the post" again. I'd just hit the send button when the red message came up to say there was another message...bugger!

It's good to see you got a bit of re-potting done yesterday also, so your day was like mine and wasn't wasted either.

I see most of what you've had to say supports what I said anyway, so there's no need for me to ramble on any further, so I'll catch you all again tomorrow.

All the best, Nev.
bromishy
Townsville
Australia

March 1, 2013
7:02 PM

Post #9435996

Hi Everyone!

Its been one hell of a week, most of it spent in hospital with my beautiful husband Joe as he was not well and had to undergo some tests on his heart, but all is well thank god (what a relief) and we are now back home and catching up on rest and sleep and I am now back at work trying to play catch-up so we are really looking forward to life getting back to normal.

Lucy and Lexi also missed us terribly and they could tell that something was not right so sulked the whole week (poor darls), we managed to take them to the beach this morning to get all of us back to some normality which was nice.

I had a quick look at the broms and orchids this morning and they all appear to be doing well and we had a little bit of rain while we were away which they would have enjoyed.

Tried best I could to catch-up on all the missed posts and pics this past week and hopefully we can get back into some sort of normal routine once we are back on track with everything.

Hope everyone is well and sorry to hear those still getting slammed with rain, take care, stay safe and hopefully life will be back to normal soon.

Shirley thanks heaps for sending surprise parcel, that was very kind and considerate of you. We got back home Friday evening but no sign of parcel yet so probably will receive early next week. I can't wait as I could really do with a pick-me-up at the moment as it has been such a stressful week for the both of us and really knocked us around big time.

Anyway look forward to chatting with everyone again soon, have missed you all!

Sorry no pics today but will try to take some when I get a chance.

Trish
dalfyre
Christchurch
New Zealand

March 2, 2013
12:23 AM

Post #9436188

hey Sue here's an odd request - please send your excess rain to NZ...
we have a drought.
No significant rain since last year!

Who would have thought we'd be wishing for your rain :)
ianperry

March 2, 2013
1:46 AM

Post #9436197

Hi all, I bin slack and havin time for me. Yes my bloodtests went OK, just have to watch my sugar intake. Nothing serious the numbers are not high but at warning level. I am sucking a lot of Mint sweets since stopping smoking. Don't know what is happening with my eyes, possibly an alergy. I am trying some drops for a month and if not better then I go see a specialist.
Now for something different, more grass this time on a Guz, maybe this is normal or maybe there is something wacky going on.No wacky baccy here.\
I thought it was Xmas again, I got a package from Sue, thanks Sue.
Purple perfecto a neo has loaded me up with seeds again. Pollen parent could well be Mother nature and her little helpers. I will test them for viability, I have a few in water now and will test others in an ordinary seed mix.

Trish not a good way to spend the week, pleased to hear things are improving on the home front.
Have a good one
Ian
Pic 1 Guz with maybe grasses bought from bunnings
Pic 2 Ananas tricolour tops from fruit grown here

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breeindy

breeindy
north coast nsw
Australia

March 2, 2013
1:56 AM

Post #9436198

HI everyone!!!
Nev thanks again for Bird Rock, i was looking for that one. It turned up in good condition in the mail, the foil had fell off it though but it was still good. Cant wait for your up dated list. Its very interesting to see how many and which Neos you have..also which i want. hehe!
Sue be sure to remind me about your next sale when it fines up and i'll come down, i'll come help you pot up broms, it'll be fun, i love playing with plants (well i dont have no were near as many as you) hehe! Yeah the Australian Orchid Nursery (who is buying in water) is in Tyabb VIC. Glad your orchids are doing well. Love your 'Downs Autumn'.
Yes like Sue were getting rain, rain and more rain. Got bored today as i couldnt go outside so i went to a awsome aquarium shop about a hour away and bought more tropical fish (yes i have other addictions) hehe! The highway has heaps of water laying on it and a little scarey but we got there. How much more can we take without having roads closed. My plants have had enough. Victoria and New Zealand you can take the rain for a while.
My comp. wont let me load photos so none today and i just got a new Lava and Lime finally.

works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

March 2, 2013
5:03 AM

Post #9436253

Hello everyone, we didn’t get to do much today … again … no markets, no gardening, no outdoor activities of any kind, no fun at all !!!

Sue, it’s raining here too, it hasn’t stopped for days. Our forecast, like yours, is for rain, rain and more bloody rain. The first NOID in my pics last night is quite large … I wondered if it might be neo Rose Blush, maybe Trish would know. And no, I haven’t had the second one flower yet so I’ll have to remember to ask for an ID again when it does.

Sue, I have put in a request to Mother Nature to give us all a break from the rain. There is so much water about here, so many roads closed and everything so damp and depressing and it’s quite cool as well, I had to drag out the flanno and sox this evening.

Nev, I hope you managed to get the fine day you wished for, how I envy you if you did. I hope your Brom Society meeting went well.

While on the subject of ‘not even the experts get it right all the time’ ... I saw a neo I rather fancied called neo Wine and Gold on eBay and went to the BCR to check it out. It stated the neo was a Shane Zaghini hybrid, Seed parent Chlorostricta, pollen parent Sunrise and they had a photo of it. I then went to the fcbs index and they have the same photo and the same info on it being a Shane Zaghini hybrid but show it’s breeding as Gee Whiz X Smithii … maybe someone has this neo or knows of it. Not that it really matters but I might hold off on buying it for now.

Nev, it’s good to know that soluble aspirin can be quite an effective relief for stings. I always seem to be bumping into wasps nests in the garden and they are quick to attack. I normally take an antihistamine but it doesn’t give any immediate relief.

Nev, I always keep a record of when and where I get my broms and include a photo. I also give them all a number, even the ones that have names, that way I know how many I have … kind of a continuous stocktake.

Trish, sounds like you have had a shocker of a week. So sorry to hear that Joe has been sick but thankfully it turned out to be less serious than you thought initially, but still very stressful for both of you (and your poor babies, Lucy and Lexi).

I’m a tad disappointed to hear that your parcel hasn’t arrived. I guess it has been delayed because the highway has been cut to the north of here. I feel so sorry for the residents of Bundy, Maryborough and Gympie who have been flooded again and again, poor buggers.

Hopefully, the parcel will turn up on Monday and the broms will still be in good condition ... and I hope it cheers you up. Please give Joe our best wishes that he gets well quickly.

Ian, good to hear from you and great news that your blood tests were OK.

Bree, so you are getting rain and more rain as well … gee it must be widespread. Like you, I can’t wait to see Nev’s updated list of available plants … talk about addicted.

If it ever stops raining I will get some new photos, you’ve probably seen these before.
Pic 1 is neo Chantilly, pic 2 is neo Little Dazzler, 3 is Oli Blush Novar

Enjoy the rest of your weekend, Shirley

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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

March 2, 2013
5:04 AM

Post #9436255

Oh, I just realised it's time for a new March thread. It's a bit late tonight ... maybe tomorrow if I remember.

cheers, Shirley
splinter1804
shellharbour
Australia

March 2, 2013
12:43 PM

Post #9436654

Hi everyone – Glad to see some of the regulars back but sorry to hear you've been having various problems. We had three seasons here yesterday; raining in the morning and then the sun came out for a few hours then more rain followed by a very strong southerly wind which stopped after a few hours and then rain again which then continued through the night but not raining now. I think someone has pressed the “Mix-up” button at the Weather Bureau.

We had a good roll up of about fifty members at our monthly meeting yesterday despite the bad weather. The guest speaker was the Manager of a company called “Organic Crop Protectants” which is a company who specialises in all organic products including a seaweed tonic (in a powder form), Neem Oil, Miticide/Insecticide, Soil improvers, Fungicide, Aminogro (An amino acid based soil and plant food) plus a few others including a fruit fly control and a great little hand sprayer with a nozzle that can be rotated through 360 degrees. There seems to be some good products here but only time will tell. To see the whole range, go to: http://www.ecoorganicgarden.com.au

Trish – Sorry to hear about your scare with Joe; I know exactly what you mean as I had a similar scare with my wife last Sunday with a chest pain which tests showed definitely wasn't a heart attack but diagnosed as an “unexplained heart related chest pain”, but very worrying at the time never the less. Now onto the medical merry-go-round for all the necessary testing.

Dalfyre – It's a long time since we've heard from you and if I had my way I'd send you over some of our rain as well. Anyway nice to hear from you and come back again soon.

Ian – Glad to hear your blood tests were OK; as for the sugar levels, instead of eating mints all the time, have a drink of water every second time you want a mint, it will reduce your sugar and is good for you also.

If the drops you are trying weren't prescribed by your doctor, don't waste your time using them, go to your doctor and ask for either something to try or a referral to an eye specialist. With your work history of welding, you can't afford to take chances.

Once again I think the grass pups on your “Guzzie” are the result of tissue culturing, it's very common with the plants that are coming into Bunnings, Big-W, K-Mart etc.

That's a good crop of Ananas Tricolour, have you grown them from tops before and do they grow easily? We had a member bring in a beautiful big specimen of the same thing to the meeting yesterday. I've never tried to grow them down here as I though it would be too cold during winter, what do you think?

Breeindy – Your pup should be fine, but just to be on the safe side when hold-ups in the mail occur, as soon as you unpack your plants, give them a light watering and then give them a good soak plus a few complete dunkings in a mixture of 1 cup of raw sugar dissolved in a bucket of water. They can even be left in it overnight without any problem. As for my updated “Neo list”, well that's been put on hold until the rain stops.

Shirley – With your large NOID how large are we talking about? If it's about 2'6” across, it could be Neo 'Rosy Morn'. I'll try to find a pic to post for comparison.

Your mention of the difference of recorded parentages on the BCR compared to the FCBS for Neo 'Wine and Gold' is obviously a mistake on the part of the person entering the data. Maybe Sue could ask Shane when she talks to him, how about it Sue?

On the subject of stings; if you know you are allergic to a particular sting and it's only a minor allergy, well the antihistamine combined with an ice pack is the way to go. On the other hand, if you have a serious “life threatening allergy” you should see your doctor as you probably should be carrying an “Epi-Pen” to inject as soon as you are stung.

I should have made it clear yesterday, that the use of the Soluble Aspirin (solution) I mentioned is only for the relief of the localised pain from the sting, it won't combat any of the other body reactions resulting from an allergy.

As for keeping records, I must admit it's definitely my weak point and I'm certainly not as organised as you and that's for sure. I do however keep a “running record” for each plant on the reverse of the name tag and that's very handy as it's immediately available.

I love the pic of your Neo. 'Chantilly' and I think I asked you to put my name down for a pup when you posted it previously, if I didn't, I'm asking now... pretty please!

That would be great if you could start a new March thread Shirley, but there's no immediate rush, wait until you can get out in the garden to get a nice new pic to add to the new thread.

Now to finish with a few pic's; Pic.1 is Neo 'Rosy Morn' to compare with Shirley's NOID, Pic.2 is Neo. 'Mesmerize', Pic.3 is Neo. 'Jasper ink', Pic.4 is Ae. Recurvata “Sunrise' and Pic.5 is of some of the “locals” waiting for their breakfast.

All the best, Nev.

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weed_woman
Coffs Harbour
Australia

March 2, 2013
1:18 PM

Post #9436682

Good morning. Rain, need I say more?
I'm trying not to waste the days and am potting every chance i get. I need a few dry spells so i can move some of the crushed plants up to the garden to free up some space for the newly potted stuff.
Trish, sorry to hear joe has been unwell. I hope he is on the mend and life can get back to normal for you all. Lucky that the plants of your choice can survive without molly coddling!
Theresa, plenty of rain for you, come and get it. I had to laugh, because my NZ step dad often tells me about the drought, when they have one, and will tell me its been three weeks without rain! heh heh. how is it there in shakey town? Lots of cheap airfares to get there, but I'm not keen on visiting outside of summer.
Nev, that sting treatment sounds good, and I have told hubby about it, since he has been complaining about an ant bite all week. i will put some disprin/asprin in my garden kit. like Shirley, I quite often get zapped by paper wasps.
Your random shots in the rain look great. Wet broms look so glossy and colorful!
My other user name, on other brom sites in brom-adorer, which suits me better now. Weed woman was invented at a time when I first started out in gardening, as I seemed to do nothing else. Bromadorers garden is now the name of my nursery, and i hope to make a page on FB once i work out how to do it, then I can list plants for sale e.t.c.
Bree, you can come down anytime. I always have plants set up for sale, and its easier to show you good stuff when there aren't other customers here. You can help me pot whenever you want! I like potting too, especially when I can put the Ipod on the speakers and listen to music.
Ian, I promised you an Aechmea 'fosters favourite, Favourite' and i coudn't send it up all on its own, so thats why I packed it with some friends. Your welcome. I hope there is nothing seriously wrong with your eyes? Don't spend too much time on the computer! Yes, I have had grassies on Guzmanias too, as they are widely grown using tissue culture.
Shirley, that was interesting about Neo. 'Wine and Gold' let me know if you find out anything. Maybe I can ask Shane about that too? He has given me permission to quote what he responded to my questioning of N. 'Running Red River'

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Shane Zaghini
Hi Sue, I am amazed how plant names seem to grow or just evolve from sale to sale , the hybrid you are speaking of is neo Running River , this plant is a very different from neo Red River , this plant when grown in high light and low feed will produce from the center of the plant green yellow marbling and red wavey lines across the leave as if it is running ,this occurs in the new leaves 2,3rds up the leaf when mature only half of the leaf show this pattern more than half is a solid red over the leaf ,that is why the name was given , Neo red river is a darker red also has the red marbling the full lenth of the leaf. in my new book the photos show the different plants ,but i must say that these grown well do look beautiful , Neo ice white river is better as a clump the pink also is better as a clump , my favorite has to be the new improved Neo Grace Goode Girl , this is a hybrid that was done to improve the rivers, that is a plant I am proud of, I waited a long time to find a plant worthy off name after my very good friend Grace ,thank you for your inquire hope I have helped ,
unquote

Shirley, are you happy to start the new thread?
Nev, you posted ahead of me, and I realise we have backed each other up again on a few points. Great minds think alike.
Must get up and about
still no pics, but will remedy that today
Sue


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works4me

works4me
Brisbane
Australia

March 2, 2013
3:43 PM

Post #9436806

Hi all, I will start the new thread for March ... not much else to do in this pouring rain.

Shirley

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