Dr. Davis from Dr.Oz show last week wrote a book. He says we are eating genetically modified wheat(GMO). Of course, this wheat is found in all our bread,cakes,cookies,cereals,gravies,whatever. Just read the labels. If it lists whole wheat flour or white flour as an ingredient, you are eating GMO Wheat. There would be nothing wrong with this if you don't mind eating wheat that was made in the Laboratory. And if you don't mind getting the diseases that this wheat apparently causes, like diebetes,high blood pressure,heat disease. My son sent me a box back label of Macaroni & Cheese from the UK. They have to list gmo's in that country, & the ingredient label lists, gmo wheat. It has a warning on the back of the box, which says "May cause harm to children".
Anyone interested in GMO Foods in our supermarket.
The subsequent Myths & Facts portion will show the inaccuracies of Dr. Davis' claims.
Just on the ABC news. Organic frozen berries from a Oregon farm carry Hepatitis "A" virus. It is believed to come from infected worker somewhere. Berries came from Argentina, USA, & 2 other countries I didn't catch the name of.
This seems to be more of a problem than some undocumented GMO outbreak.
I'm always amused by the fear of Laboratories. If you don't like to eat food that has heritage in laboratories, then you're pretty much going to starve these days. But, as properly noted, there are vastly more important things to be concerned about in food these days than the fact that it once had something to do with a laboratory.
Also, as noted, although the fear of GMO foods is rampant, there is no evidence that such foods actually cause any harm, and laboratory studies (oooh, those evil laboratories) have looked carefully into it. I know someone who is deathly afraid of black licorice. I'm sure you can make up frightening stories about black licorice as well. I also know lots of unmodified "natural" substances that are quite deadly.
It's good to be skeptical about new and different products, but skepticism is very different than fear.
That is an interesting article. It is good that it has the references and foot notes. Many times, there are unsubstantiated claims with no references, though it is normally the "panic" news that is manipulated. It was interesting to see that there is no true GMO wheat, but only conventional or lab-based hybridization. GMO is a hot-button at the moment, and something that can be used to complain about agro-corporations and other big business, often without any scientific basis or facts.
It's good to be skeptical about new and different products, but skepticism is very different than fear. [/quote]
Irrational fear at that...
Ideologically motivated bad science, pseudoscience, misinformation & outright lies irritate me too. Kind of reminds me of the anti-vaccine & global warming movements.
[quote="dreaves"]GMO is a hot-button at the moment, and something that can be used to complain about agro-corporations and other big business, often without any scientific basis or facts.
That is very true, as with the global warming scam. If people actually thought to 'follow the money', they would see the motivation behind the 'anti-this & anti-that crowd'. This guy is simply trying to push his book... Gore was pushing the sale of 'carbon credits'.
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Very good level-headed responses! I try to grow fresh vegetables and freeze/can them. That way, I know what I am getting. However, there are some things that I need not worry about. GMO foods = one of them. If our nation's source of wheat is GMO, then it would be about impossible to stay away from it. Wheat is in everything it seems! I know this because my baby is allergic to wheat and we have to really watch what he eats and since my wife is breast feeding, she has to watch what she eats as well. It's amazing at the things that you think would not have wheat in it and it turns out it does. We just leave it up to God and he provides for us. Whether it is home-grown or store bought, He has given it to us.
Total Ban On Genetically Modified Cucumbers In Canada After They Caused Genital Baldness (Satire)
Now that there was funny, I don't care who you are!!!! Thanks for the laugh ATC!!!!
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dandelion: I didn't mean to offend you. Being a biology major from a University, you have had your share of the Laboratories I guess. I can understand why you would think this way. I myself would rather eat Gods food, not mans. Who do you trust, scientists or God
There may be more reason to fear Black Licorice than GMO foods. As a boy i worked in a large Candy Factory. All of the sugar based candies, jelly beans, gum drops, etc, that had become old and stale would be returned by the stores. They would all be dumped in the steam kettles, Flys, mouse turds and all, and melted, and then some Black Licorice would be added to color and flavor it. No new sugar was ever added to the licorice candies.
I do eat both Licorice and GMO foods, but have a little twinge with each bite of licorice.
If you want to see something scary in food technology, you might pay some attention to the concern about high fructose corn syrup, and it's replacement for sucrose (cane sugar) in soft drinks and other sweetened foods. We're talking natural corn glucose, chomped on by a natural bacterium, that turns into (equally natural) fructose, which is sweet. It is just now being appreciated that fructose, while it tastes just like sucrose, is processed by the liver in a very different way, and ends up as fat on the body much more readily than sucrose would. As such fructose is now being considered to be a likely nutritional obesity hazard, with strong relevance to liver disease and diabetes. The research is still being done, but such concerns should be taken more seriously than that about current GMO foods.
As to licorice with mouse turds and fly carcasses, well, hey, if it's heated enough, and is sterile, it's just protein, no? Heh.
As to being a biology major at a university, that I am certainly not. But if you want to make up stuff like that, you can make up stuff about God's food. God seems to have made natural things that taste good that are actually quite bad for you. I'm told that lantana tastes good, which is why creatures eat it (and then die). Why would he ever do that?? So you have to be a little choosy with "God's food", as one might well also be choosy with laboratory food. Scientists don't make stuff that tastes good and they know is bad for you and call it food. I dunno, who would you trust?
The world’s largest producer of seeds, Monsanto, has apparently given up on attempts to spread its genetically modified plant varieties in Europe. A German media report said the firm would end all lobbying for approval.
Ministers of the Swedish Government: Kick Monsanto out of Sweden
Do our cousins across the pond know something we don't?
Just in case you want to know the companies that don't allow GMO ingrediants in their products - here is a website with a list:
w_r_Ranch - There is a list of companies who DO use GMO foods for you on this page!
Re: vaccines - Occurance of vaccine injection site sarcomas in cats since 1980 when aluminum, was added to vaccines: http://www.petplace.com/cats/injection-site-sarcoma/page1.aspx. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=526 This also is a problem with dogs but it is rare.
Do our cousins across the pond know something we don't?
Like I said, follow the money. They are 'protecting' their farmers who cannot compete with the big boys from America. The fact is 38% of the entire European Union's budget goes to 2% of the population. European farmers cannot compete in the world market without these subsidies.
When Europeans get tired of paying a greater percentage of their dwindling incomes for food or going hungry, they will welcome them back with open arms, LOL!!!
Face it, this has nothing to do with GMOs & everything to do with politics. This is no different than socialist France calling Amazon.com "a destroyer of bookshops".
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Sometimes I cannot believe how people think. global warming is a joke, gmos are not a threat. do some research. as for following the money, it all goes to monsanto-they are poisoning our food supply, killing bees at an alarming rate, and buying up everyone that disagrees with them..
Hopefully all the lawsuits that have been filed, those that have been won, and those still in the works, against monsanto will bring it to its knees.
If you still think it is not a threat, now that gmo wheat has been found in oregon fields, asian countries are banning US imports. that's an 18 billion dollar industry that monsanto is singlehandly destroying, and they cannot explain how it happened. japan has banned wheat import, so has korea and china is on the verge of doing so.
Blah, blah, blah,yada, yada, yada. Good luck proving any of those accusations. LOL!!! It is simply politics. Nothing more, nothing less... In the end, everybody needs to eat or perish.
Either take personal responsibility to grow your own food & meat or don't. Step up your game & try to supply it all for a year & get back to us on the outcome. Sun City has 2,280.0 people per square mile, good luck!!!
Remember though that continuously whining about any successful company's business model will NOT put food on your table.
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w_r_ranch - I sincerely hope that you are correct.
sadly, he is not. the research is out there, if you take the time to read it. Just because you say it isnt so, or you dont believe it, does not disprove the science of it. I suppose remaining ignorant of the facts is one way to deal with all that is happening.
More yada, yada.
Post up REAL verifiable scientific data & prove me wrong. Simple enough request... Time to put up, as they say.
oh please. the internet is full of it, visit any stop monsanto or occupy monsanto site. maybe it is time for you to put up some data supporting your position, if that is possible
might I add that it needs to be scientifically accurate, verifyable data.
record heat for the year 2011-source the weather channel- of course there is no global warming.
2012 excedes the heat records of 2011- source-NY times- still think there is no global warming?
Try to convince us in the upper midwest there is global warming. We have had a high of 60º in the last 2 weeks.
Look for groceries to go up in price as this years crop is going to be way short.
might I add that it needs to be scientifically accurate, verifyable data.
Yes it does need to be verifiable, and nothing you have posted thus far is. If you think that an article from the NYT is 'scientific', you are sorely lacking in sound judgement (most people would use it only to line the bottom of their bird cages). The simple truth is that the earth has had fluctuating temperatures since before man ever walked on it & thus before Monsanto ever exisited.
As far as your link to Natural Resources Defense Council, I had a good laugh on that one. A bunch of eviro-whackos doesn't constitute a verifiable, scientific data source in anyone's book. Maybe you should read a little bit about them... Pay attention to the last paragraph & maybe you'll understand why I say 'Follow the money':
In addition, you made specific accusations against Monstanto: "they are poisoning our food supply, killing bees at an alarming rate". Would you be so kind as to provide the verifiable, scientific data to support your statements???
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oh please so the temperatures are not rising, the ice cap isnt melting, and nothing I say or cite will change your mind so why bother. hope you enjoy the continued rising temperatures and live long enough to eat your words
oh, by the way, are you also one of those people that believe the earth is only 6000 years old?
obviously you didnt bother to read the times article to see the sources of their info.
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Blah, blah, blah...
If I believed that the Earth was only 6000 yrs old, why would I post a graph of Antarctica's temperatures for the last 400,000 years??? Have you ever heard of core samples??? Obviously you slept thru your earth science classes...
Facts are facts, they actually exists... they are reality, they are concrete. Your fears have no basis in fact.
fact (fækt) noun
1. an event or thing known to have happened or existed
2. a truth verifiable from experience or observation
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Actually, we don't need facts, or truth, but proof. The proof is in the pudding. W-r-Ranch. Since you seem to have all the facts, & lets also let risingcreek in on the proof, proving. I had quoted that GMO Wheat has been discovered to be causing diebetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, weight gain. A large amount of weight gain I might add, let these two people state if they eat wheat, like bread, pancakes,cakes, cookes, every day, & state if they have any of these problems. You don't have to state exactly what problem you have, but lets say, state how many of these problems you might happen to have. Then we might beable to have proof, that wheat is causing this epidemdic.
This part of the country was once covered with Ice. Still d*** cold here.
Lakes didn't thaw out until May, so I am assuming we are headed back to the Ice Age.
From what I have read, there is no genetically modified wheat on the market. Why genetically modified wheat was found in Oregon is a mystery. Other nations have tested wheat imported from the USA and (so far) no GMO wheat has been found.
However, wheat has been hybridized extensively.
As to the Gloal Warming panic, does anyone else remember that just about 20 years ago the Henney-Penneys were all panicked about the looming Ice Age?
If you study weather patterns, you will find highs & lows on temperature swings for the last millions of years. You get an extended warm period, (1000's of years), then an extended cool period.
That's why they find dinosaur bones & fossils where there were glaciers.
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I had quoted that GMO Wheat has been discovered to be causing diebetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, weight gain. [/quote]
I suggest that more research on your part (prior to posting) may enlighten you. No where is there 'proof' that "GMO Wheat has been discovered to be causing diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, weight gain". Sheesh...
High blood pressure (hypertension):
I will assume that you have heard of & have some respect for the Mayo Clinic. You will also notice that none of these links list "GMO wheat" as a cause...
[quote="behillman"]wheat is causing this epidemdic.
Oh bovine excrement... Fat people are prone to health problems because they eat too much & don't exercise enough. That is a provable fact. Would you like some more "pudding"???
Now do us all a favor & keep your irrational fear of the GMO/anti-Monsanto boogieman were it belongs... in your closet or under you bed (it's gotten more than old). Go outside & do some gardening, enjoy life instead of sucking the joy out of it...
w_r_ranch is not speaking for me. I do not see it as a favor to shut down discussion because one person says so.
It is not my intention to shut the discussion down. My intention is to have it deal with facts, not unfounded sentiment.
People go WAY to crazy over this GMO nonsense IMHO. SO WHAT? There are far more important things to be concerned about IMHO. RELAX PEOPLE! You won't die from eating that stuff, you haven't yet have you?
Tommy - some of us prefer not to consume herbicides/pesticides with every mouthful of food.