Not much but I enjoy it. What does your small or big pond look like now?
Very pretty and serene. Is it in a wooded setting?
The frogs must love sunning in it. This year the frogs have been deafening.
Mittsy, I just love the water irises. I wish they'd bloom all summer long!
Everyone's ponds are looking beautiful. I have been a little slow getting mine going this year. I really need to get the plants arranged better decide which plants will go into which pond. The Trop Water lilies and hardy water lotus seem to be very slow in getting started. I found a FREE kidney shaped preformed pond liner just a small one about 5ft long X 2ft wide and I am going to add it to the new small water feature we put in last summer.
Wow! Great find, Holly.
My hardy waterlilies are very late this year. I compared them to last year and although everything was early last year - my wl's are about a month later than they were last year. When we went to my local pond guy to pick up some water hyacinths, I did ask them about the lateness of the wl's. They felt very strongly it was our cold overcast spring. I am hoping things catch up soon.
Your pond is beautiful and yours too Mittsy. BTW the water lillies you gave me are all still living. Putting out a few more leaves too.
My eye surgery has put me behind time. Both of my ponds need cleaning out and many plants seperated. The water celery has gone really bonkers so I moved into a tubby until I can split it up.
Happy ponding all,
Holly, great find. I WANT the piece of driftwood. Absolutely fantastic.
My pond is small and I would think with all the time it takes me, I cannot imagine having a bigger one. But with all the useful information I get from here, I am doing better, therefore, so are the fish. I will take a photo tomorrow.
Bonnie, sorry about your eye surgery problems. I strained my hamstring and had to sit still for 5 days. I thought I would go mad but it really hurt to move, so it was not difficult.
Japanese iris is beautiful. I grown Bearded, Louisiana and Spuria (sp). I actually have something that looks like the preformed pond above but it has small holes drilled in it and that is where the LA irises grow. Sharon
We were on vacation in the Outer Banks in N.C. during a small hurricane. Ric and the boys took the boat out in the back waters the day after thinking they could do some fishing. Instead of fish they came home with a boat load of drift wood. This piece was so big and heavy (water soaked) that they towed it in couldn't get it in the boat.
There's something about ponds that 'makes' them a great addition to a landscape. The one in Missingrosie's photo is something different though. It's just such a natural setting with those stones. I'm all into "natural".
This is my small pond, being dwarfed by all the plants in and around it. Wild ducks (Burdekin Ducks) have brought some duck weed which has multiplied rapidly. It's not going to be easy to get rid of.
Beautiful. You are so lucky to be able to grow such a lush environment. We've a wooded setting I am adding a few river flats to the pond edge because those rocks get up and disappear into the night! Seriously.... I see pond liner poking thru and I flat out can't figure how those spaces pop up. Are the frogs eating those rocks??? ( some are big enough - grin). I hope I have not goofed because the majority rocks are grey / green and the new river flats have mixed - pale blue, plum, etc. hope they don't stick out.
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I agree I love natural looking ponds and have always planned to put in a large natural looking pond but it seems that what I have isn't that. Instead I have a group of small ponds that aren't at all natural which doesn't mean that I don't like them but I still yearn for that big natural pond that I envisioned so many years ago.
Holly - you may not have exactly what you want yet but your gardens and hard scape features are outstanding! You/Rick have a natural eye and your family pitches in to give you the garden of your dreams.
I am prejudiced because I did not want a pond - period. Ponds are for fish and plants. I wanted a pondLESS water feature....those waterfalls disappearing into gravel and recirculating. Providing noise and a visual for the front porch. But alas - got it all built and learned the waterfalls required lots of water that the pondLESS reservoir could not provide. Hence the pond...and algae....and leaves...and maintenance.....and snakes...... Ponds and upkeep are for the young in my humble opinion! But agree are beautiful when kept up.
You sure are right they are a lot of upkeep my little ones aren't too bad to take care of we just drain all of them but the birdbath pond. We sit some of the plants down in it and move all the fish into it for the winter then put the rest of the pond plants either in the GH or sink the pots into the Veggie garden till spring. The older we get the less likely it is that we will ever move the big rocks we have for the pond but they do make for a lovely accent to the garden where they are and a nice back drop for the plants I am growing there.
Missingrosie, that stream in the later photo isn't connected to the pond in the earlier photo? That's the sort of thing I'd like to set up. My landscape is a bit flat though, only a slight slope to the back and one side. But with a bit of effort I could make it work. A meandering creek with stoney cascades is something I could sit beside and watch for hours.
I think that's one of the problems with plastic liners, rocks slipping down. Small creatures getting between them can budge them enough to make them slide. How thick is your liner? I've always worried about them getting punctured when you have rocks on them. I have animals coming in too, especially kangaroos.
Yes it is one long run (3- 5 feet wide perhaps narrowing and widening) ending in the large pond. Starts at the fountainhead where there is a small deep pool then the first waterfall immediately afterward. We just drilled a hole in a large flat flagstone and stood it up on end because I did not want to invest in statuary to serve as fountainhead ( no goddess pouring water from pitcher etc). Next a 6 foot run ( estimate) that curves 'round to run in front of the house with a bolder waterfall...then a looooooong run ( running the width of the front of the house ....( coming off the porch is where the walkway/bridge is over the stream) ...the water is rather calm there under that bridge -the channel narrows too .. ) then another pool and after that another bold waterfall then the large "supposed to be pondless" pond finishes it off.
No, the rocks don't move at all. The rocks that form the sides of the feature are very large boulders and they rest on NC red clay under the liner. My problem with rock displacement comes in the fall - I net the entire feature because of leaves...we live in the woods. We secure the net ( plastic bird netting) UNDER the top most rocks and then when we remove the netting come springtime we don't do a good job of placing back correctly and leave the liner exposed in areas. (I just blame it on the frogs eating the rocks!) Anyway, I think that is what happens. The neighbors huge dog also goes flying through there into the water when chasing deer and also the deer will try to break through the ice with a hoof in winter if we have had a bad (unusual) winter and they can displace rocks.
Sorry, I don't remember how thick the liner is. But there are lots of resources for do it yourself ponders with recommendations for thickness /specs. Important to excavate leaving no debris, roots, sharp stones. The river rocks that line the bottom of the long runs are 3-5 inch average and are very smooth. I put waders on and walk in there to clean - no punctures yet. I am ~ 133-135 pounds and I am stepping all in there. The pond itself (not the long runs) is jam filled with 5 inch black flexible plastic DRAINAGE tubing to take up space but yet allow for a reservoir of water to fill the tubing. Important to get the drainage tubing with holes ( not solid) because you want it to FILL/TAKE UP SPACE the huge pond excavation but still allow water to flow thru and around it. When it was "pondLESS" it was solidly filled with trash / concrete rock etc to fill the hole inexpensively and then top dressed with pretty river rock..... That all had to be emptied to give a large water reservoir to run the falls. A big mess. A MAJOR miscalculation that did not consider evaporation caused by the falls - MAJOR issue. You can't go pondLESS with long runs and falls.
So --- it is the liner (first) .....the plastic drainage tubing space filler (second)....plain old landscape fabric on top of the tubing to disguise it and to provide a solid base (third) for last component -- the river rock for esthetics. Those are the components of the large pond. The actual "run" containing the falls is a maybe 2-3 foot wide '50 foot long trench' containing a small deeper pool located right before each waterfall...all covered with the rubber liner and a layer of river rock at the channel bottom and bigger boulders forming the channel sides. The large pond is where the pump lives that sends water from the pond to the fountainhead. I think that answers your questions. We do not have naturally sloped land either and it is not needed. I don"t have many photos in IPAD but I will attach one where you can see that bridge better and I think it allows a view of how the channel goes into the larger pond. If you look at the photo of the large pond -- you can see an example of the drainage tubing because I took a spare piece and attached it to the gutter outflow to capture rain water for the pond. I think that plastic pipe goes a long way to protect the liner from punctures in the pond...it is not sharp..just all coiled up in there like intestines!! I do not walk much in the long runs -- but I think I could without a puncture risk since the river rocks are smooth. Sorry so long. Wanted to give Tropic an idea about construction and alleviate puncture and slope concerns. Apologies to all here for length since you likely know all this.
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Tropic - In first photo you can see size of the river rock at bottom of the run and it is not a deep layer either. The liner is black and so any spaces between the rocks not visible.
Subsequent photos you can see the size of the rocks comprising the walls.... so no fear of slipping or movement-- those rocks are very large. But bets involving kangaroos are off!
You can perhaps get a sense of the "speed" of the water and I think it is not a slope that drives it as much as the "pool" that precedes each waterfall supplying a decent "spill"over - along with the actual pump's action.
You can see the fountainhead in one photo - not a really good view - ton of rain has made everything grow obscuring the view. But you can see it is for looks only... Smoke and mirrors. That 1st pool that the fountainhead pours into is the deepest pool - NO slope -- just spill over, and yet I don't think it is deeper than 24 inches. Just after it and under the water is the true water outport from the pump....just a fraction is diverted to the fountainhead to make it appear that the 'stream' has a source. You express concern about flat land so understand that the runs are not so very much sloped from start to finish of the entire feature .... It is more a function of utilizing the motion of each pools spill from waterfall to waterfall assisted by the pump action sending the water in the right direction.
Thanks for that detail Missingrosie. It's got my mind thinking already (and that can be a dangerous thing, LOL). You're leading me into temptation.
Good!! No slope...just overflowing pools cascading over a ledge ( the waterfall) into another pool and another ledge. After I went to bed last nite I thought. ....why didn't I just say the way a faucet left running overflows a sink....that is the motion that keeps it flowing.
Site it where you can hear it!
If run goes down a slope - water will need to be pumped back up. Suggest Rick gets / rents a ditch witch. That would be real hard work.
I could see that pond you just got with a very small submerged pump in it ..not expensive. stretch a screen across the top or a metal perforated grill and then cover completely with screen on top withn that river rock you used on your last bowling ball with...or tumbled glass ,....or both. It would be a pretty kidney shaped self contained disappearing fountain. The water would shine and darken those rocks just like the sealer you used on the bowling ball. All the colors would pop. The only physical work is digging the pond in and you have it mostly done. Is there electric nearby? The "upright" piece that acts like the fountainhead could be made exactly like the clay pipe you recently covered. Or you could get a piece of statuary and plumb it. Water spilling over the top and back into your little pond again. Every now and again you would have to hit it with the hose to replace evaporated water.
Oh yea we know how to do it just have to find out if Ric wants to bother. There is also a rock ridge that runs along there so digging can be difficult if you hit it.
Well, if he doesn't want to mess with a run, consider the disappearing fountain --requires no further physical work.
My husband uses a hole digger like you have there. When he does, I always check the life insurance policy! He looks like he is gonna die!
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I'm trying to put a water fall on the one end of my new pond. It's a little difficult with no slope to the yard, and the soil here is all sand, so no matter how fast you dig, it just falls in on itself. I'm determined though, lol....I'm going to get that sucker in there somehow~ :)
Maybe you can use plywood to hold it back as you make progress. Or....this may sound crazy...but could you wet it as you dig?
That is some invention. The force of each thrust hitting solid ground must sent shoch waves rippling up the arms ....shoulders....into the cervical spine.......whooooooooooo.......might knock loose something gravely important!
I don't want to give him excuse to develop clot induced amnesia because I ain't digging my own holes!
Took Ric out and talked to him about the possible run. I tossed out several different ideas everything from a pond at the top to just a fountain head. He liked the idea other than the digging could be a serious issue with the rock ledge that runs though there. We are going to finish getting this liner in the ground and move on to the other main project going on a big arbor that we hope to start building next week. We have done a good bit of work in preparation for the arbor. Bricking part of the driveway/utility area and lifting the huge old wisteria that was sprawling across more than half the space. So we are ready to pick up the lumber next week.
I hope you will post photos as you go along of the pond and the arbor