NEW WEBSITE LAYOUT

Vista, CA

I have been getting a new website layout that is very awkward. Old website header is missing, information stacked closely on the left side,
some threads jammed all the way to the right side and partly obscured.

I have not noticed any comments. Is this just on my computer or is anyone else have the problem?

Ernie

Moose Jaw, SK(Zone 3b)

Original announcement thread: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1320870/

Most recent thread with updates: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1321152/

Moose Jaw, SK(Zone 3b)

Try clearing your computer's history.

Cascade, VA(Zone 7a)

i do have to say the new layout looks pretty great. Although the background texture has sometimes tricked me into thinking i need to clean my monitor, LOL!!

Vista, CA

I cleaned my Browser History, and that has cleared up some of the problems but about half of the threads are truncated on the right hand side. On another thread, Terry has said they will do more work on it this week, so it will be corrected before they are done with it.
I think the old one needed a spell checker more than it needed a facelift, but once they get it working we will all get used to the new layout.
Ernie

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

Ernie, are you using a low resolution on your monitor? The columns are fixed width -- when combined with the ads on the left and that "overflow: hidden" tag stuff is going to get cut off.

Vista, CA

Nicole,
I use a laptop with W 7, so i have a smaller screen to start with. I reduced the text size just now in response to your post, and now i can read the full post.

But there are still some problems inherent in the new program, i believe, since some of the forums and threads display in full with the preferred text size and some, like this one, do not.

I hope they can fix it so we can use the 125% text size.

Thank you for your suggestion.

Ernie

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

Glad it helped. I think most of the issues people are reporting are related to screen resolution and the fixed-sized layout they choose.

As a web developer, worrying about end user screen resolutions used to be a common concern but lately we've grown much more used to battling cross-browser issues. Sometimes it's easy to forget for us web devs to forget not everyone has a giant multi-monitor setup!

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

Mine is also truncated on one side. Seems like wasted space, and I have to space over to center my screen.

Also, still can't see the "Upload Images" box or the "TAGS" icon anymore. This is happening in both IE AND Firefox browsers, as well as on my Samsung Galaxy II cellphone...

Vista, CA

I had dual monitors on my office computer, but i am not sure i could have seen the full layout even with those.

Terry denied the extra wide margins were put in to make room for more advertising, but what other purpose does all the blank space serve?

The narrow layout requires more length, which takes more time to scroll down. I would think the text area would have priority and the name and dates column and side bars much smaller.

Thanks,
Ernie

Poughkeepsie, NY(Zone 6a)

I like it. "Cleaner" looking, brighter. Nice.

Vista, CA

Nicole,

The smaller resolution that helped on the new DG problem makes the text size on my Inbox too small to see from a distance, so i had to go back to the larger text.

Since some of the threads show completely, with the truncating problem only on the others, there should be a way to make them all the same. So i will wait and hope they get it fixed.

I notice this message box I am typing in is centered. It seems to me the post boxes should also be in the center with the names and such offset on each side.

Ernie

P. S. As i was preparing to send this, i notice the advertising at the bottom does go all the way across, so the width allowed for advertising should at least be equal.

E



Ernie

Vista, CA

Nicole,

I found the solution to my problem, i believe. While it is too much trouble to go into the Control Panel and change the resolution each time, as the computer has to be turned off to apply that, IE 10 has a new icon that can change the size of the text with just one click, so I will leave this at the large resolution for other sites, and just reduce the text size so it fits in the new site.

Ernie

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

Quote from ERNIECOPP :
Terry denied the extra wide margins were put in to make room for more advertising, but what other purpose does all the blank space serve?

The narrow layout requires more length, which takes more time to scroll down. I would think the text area would have priority and the name and dates column and side bars much smaller.


It's just poor design, for all the reasons you mentioned, plus some others in terms of usability and accessibility. The bars on either side are just empty background; if they were intended to hold content they'd have placeholders there in the HTML. Of course they could place content there anyway -- CSS allows you to place content anywhere -- but I believe them. It's not like people won't notice if ads show up there!

Although aesthetically I do prefer the new title and less busy-ness, and they certainly cleaned up a lot of stuff that appeared to be duct-taped on to the old site, not being able to use the site on my tablet computer now is a major disappointment. Previously, the site was seamless across multiple devices.

On the upside, they didn't make the text medium gray on a light gray background, which is my current pet peeve in "trendy" web site design. *Grrr*

I thought you already knew about changing the text size in the browser when you mentioned 125% text. Using the mouse scroll wheel to zoom in or out while holding down the Ctrl key does this as well if that's easier for you. (And works in most applications, not just web browsers.)

Linda - Terry said on the other thread that "tags" was removed as a feature due to lack of use.

Vista, CA

Nicole,

I was familiar with changing the text size in the control center, but that requires rebooting which means having to re enter other programs. Recently, there has been an Aa icon on the top row, to change the text size, but it only works on some screens, not others. I knew, but never used, the control button to change text, but had forgotten the second part, about the scroll.

The icon text sizer just takes a couple of clicks, but i will use the Control/scroll a few times to try both ways.

Apparently, the control/scroll will not work on this laptop. Instead of a mouse it has the pad, and i have to hold control down with the cursor on the the scroll button.

Ernie

Vista, CA

Nicole,
I just discovered something else here.

On the tomato thread, in this forum,the text adapts to either larger or smaller, up to the largest, text, by self adjustment for the width.

But on some of the other threads in this forum, like this one we are using now, the program does NOT adapt to the text size, which causes the truncation. So, if Terry finds this problem and is able to correct it, that should take care of the problem.

Ernie

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

LACK OF USE BY WHOM??????

I USE TAGS ALL THE TIME!!!!!!

Vista, CA

I would be one of the "whom". I have only used it once in two years. But I would think they could keep it somewhere for those of you that use and like it.

Better to see the unused tag box than one more advertisment for something we do not need or want.

Ernie

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

Gymgirl - although the TAG feature has been discontinued, I think the admins have given a link to the existing TAG in one of their posts.

I could never figure out how TAG worked so never used it. If I want to keep a link to something, I create a Word document for it and save it to my computer.

Redding, CT

Can't find the search function.

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK THE TAGS! ^^_^^

And, I just noticed I can see the CHOOSE FILE upload button on this thread!!!!

PROGRESS IS BEING MADE!!!

This message was edited Jul 9, 2013 1:24 PM

Pueblo, CO(Zone 5b)

On my screen, upper left:
Dave's Garden
Forums
Search forums

So the search that was on the right is now on the left
Except on my start/home page, then it is still on the right

This message was edited Jul 9, 2013 7:31 PM

SE Houston (Hobby), TX(Zone 9a)



This message was edited Jul 10, 2013 2:41 PM

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

You might want to post that in the official thread, Linda. I don't think any of the powers that be are looking in here.

But no, they aren't going to center the text on the screen. But you shouldn't have to scroll. You may want to look again at some of the stuff Ernie and I posted on that further up the thread and see if something in there helps you out.

Vista, CA

Nicole,
The official thread has so many prolems posted that Terry is overwhelmed. I suspect she is depending on a Tech that is in way over his head. I suffered the same problem when in business. She does not realize it yet, but may very well have to change Techs and redo the entire thing.

You seem to know more about computers than most of us do, and suggestions from folks like you have helped a lot of us now, instead of waiting for the entire redo.

Ernie

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

Ernie - yes we are lucky to have Nicole share her expertise.

I've asked my daughter for some input, but she has said that after eight hours of writing for her company's database, she wants to rest her brain!

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

I've been doing web programming for a living for a dozen years and other computer programming before that. And because of that experience, I wouldn't want to point fingers at any one person or group of people, because the problem could be anywhere in the chain of decisions. But it's always the developers that end up getting the blame and working late nights to fix it and the customer service folks who get their ears worn off listening to complaints.

The site has fundamental design issues, and I fear they are trying to duct tape on some technical fixes instead of realizing *why* the site isn't working for so many in terms of scrolling and such.

I've never written a ScriptMonkey plug-in, but I'm getting tempted to learn how so I can restructure the site to make it more viewable.

Charlotte, NC(Zone 7b)

Nicole - is that the same as a greasemonkey?

http://greasemonkey.en.softonic.com/

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

Sorry, yeah, I meant to say GreaseMonkey

Vista, CA

I pretty well gave up on the site because of the layout problems, and all the added advertising i am seeing, but checked back in this morning, and still seeing some of the old problems and a new one or two.

How is it working for the rest of you?

Before giving up, i did all the recommended changes to my computer, cleaning the history, reducing the text size, etc, but the problems were obviously not because of my OS. I do have an HP Laptop, not a desk top computer, but that has never been a problem with any other site.

Ernie

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

I dunno about extra advertising -- I use ad blocking software so I don't see it anyway.

To me, the site has gotten much better than it was. At least the font sizing is back to something reasonable. The HUGE amount of space on the left is very annoying, plus the wasted space all over the screen because they didn't implement CSS has adjusts to the user's resolution. There's nothing like 5" of text in the middle of a 27" monitor. (And for smaller monitors, scrolling around.)

Given that the admins refuse to talk about it anymore, I suspect this is all they are going to do.

Enterprise, AL(Zone 8b)

NicoleC
I thought maybe some of my problems were that my monitor was only 19'', does that white space get wider and the text box stay the same on a larger monitor. Is CSS the reason other sites fill the screen and the text is larger?

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

CSS is the way the web sites are styled in general. So what's in the CSS dictates where stuff goes, what size, etc.

On larger monitors the white space doesn't not get larger nor the text area. The tan colored borders do, while the white strip in the center stays the same.

Vista, CA

I did not mention it but a new problem for me is the date in the name block is now in double size caps, bold, and extends well over the line into the message block.

I am really sorry, because i enjoyed the site, but it is so frustrating now i just find myself reluctant to try to use it.

My MSN email program blocks all the adds on my email but does not block ads on Google or here, or some other commercial sites.

I am very glad all of you taught me how to grow tomatoes before this problem developed. lol.

ernie

Madison, AL(Zone 7b)

Ernie, what browser and version are you using?

Vista, CA

internet explorer, v10, latest upgrade. I just checked that recently, and i do not want to change browsers.

Terry has probably overspent her budget creating this mess, so is not able to spend more trying to make it work better,

We had the same problem in our company and spent a lot of money before we gave up and returned to the older program.

Ernie

Enterprise, AL(Zone 8b)

Erinecopp,
Have you tried viewing the forum by selecting "View", the "Style" then "No Style". The trouble is I have not found a way to keep it selected . But at least you can read the posts much better.

Enterprise, AL(Zone 8b)

NicoleC
Do you know of any way to select a toggle key to go from Style to No style? Windows 7, IE10.

Vista, CA

Seed,
I clicked on view per your suggestion but could not find a reference to 'style'. Just the usual bars and text size, but nothing leading to style. Any suggestions as to how i can proceed?

Thanks,
Ernie

Enterprise, AL(Zone 8b)

Ernie see if this helps.

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