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Plant Identification: ground cover, weed, tuber roots, in S. Florida

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SeekingNirvana
Cape Coral, FL

November 13, 2013
3:04 PM

Post #9708464

This weed is growing everywhere in our gardens, every time we build a new bed this weed creeps along to be the first contender of occupying the land. Can anyone Identify it?

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trackinsand

trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 13, 2013
4:08 PM

Post #9708495

is there any smell to the leaves? square stems? any flowers?

something about it reminds me of Barleria repens: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/57323/

i had it everywhere when i lived down south.

This message was edited Nov 13, 2013 7:13 PM
spoonlegs
Cottage Grove, OR
(Zone 8a)

November 13, 2013
7:25 PM

Post #9708607

Reminds me of four o-clocks (Mirabilis jalapa) http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/92/#b
Kaelkitty
Adelaide
Australia
(Zone 10a)

November 13, 2013
9:57 PM

Post #9708665

Me too, but I don't think Mirabilis have roots like that.

trackinsand

trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)

November 14, 2013
3:59 AM

Post #9708726

eventually a Mirabilis will have a big root/tuber that looks like a coconut...huge.
SeekingNirvana
Cape Coral, FL

November 14, 2013
9:57 PM

Post #9709305

Thanks for those ideas, but sorry It is neither of the two.. It isn't lamiaceae, no square stem, no blooms that I've ever seen, no particular smell either. I want to eat these little tubers though, someone may stumble upon this thread... :)
purpleinopp
Opp, AL
(Zone 8b)

November 15, 2013
11:01 AM

Post #9709632

They look like Mirabilis jalapa to me.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 15, 2013
1:52 PM

Post #9709752

the usual four clocks wouldn't creep along. Some other relative? what zone? I hesitate to guess in places where tropical things are a possibility.
SeekingNirvana
Cape Coral, FL

November 15, 2013
2:21 PM

Post #9709783

here are a few more photos. Getting more and more curious! :P

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KayJones
Panama City Beach, FL
(Zone 8b)

November 15, 2013
2:33 PM

Post #9709790

They look like four o'clock tubers to me, too. I did a google search for images of tubers for this plant and I believe they match. You might do the same and see what you think.

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 15, 2013
6:34 PM

Post #9709929

The poster denies the four o clocks. She/he would have had to intentionally grow four clocks in the past in order to have this quantity of sprouts ready to come up or dormant seeds always ready to sprout. I've grown four oclocks and seen the single large tubers under full size plants.
purpleinopp
Opp, AL
(Zone 8b)

November 16, 2013
6:49 AM

Post #9710169

Can you take a pic of any part of it that shows creeping? Are these new garden areas reclaimed from mowing?
SeekingNirvana
Cape Coral, FL

November 16, 2013
9:16 AM

Post #9710250

The garden areas use to be grass there in the rock bed, but I removed all soil, and put about 70% shell mix back in place.. they hopped right in from the fenceline where there were some apparently going unnoticed.. they are everywhere, just only noticeable in the gardens where we 'showcase' them :P I will try to get a photo of their growing nature. the tubers are always small though, and never ever have seen a bloom. I have 4 'oclock growing in Georgia, and they look nothing of the same, the leaves of this weed are much hardier as well, and can handle being walked lightly. Thank you I will come back with a photo
spoonlegs
Cottage Grove, OR
(Zone 8a)

November 16, 2013
5:50 PM

Post #9710570

Because it reminds me of both vinca and dogbane, I'm wondering if it could be in that family (Apocynaceae). Could be totally wrong, of course!

sallyg

sallyg
Anne Arundel,, MD
(Zone 7b)

November 16, 2013
6:00 PM

Post #9710573

I'm not seeing Apocynaceae in those jointed looking stems..but I could be totally wrong! The stems look like Mirabilis to me; its the creeping style that has me baffled.
purpleinopp
Opp, AL
(Zone 8b)

November 17, 2013
6:47 AM

Post #9710913

I'm not clear if it's creeping or re-seeding. Creeping would imply they entities are connected in some way.
SeekingNirvana
Cape Coral, FL

November 17, 2013
9:51 AM

Post #9711046

i'm trying to find out if they travel and are all connected in the root system.. it seems that way, sorry haven't had time to get more info and take more pics...
KayJones
Panama City Beach, FL
(Zone 8b)

November 17, 2013
1:35 PM

Post #9711163

Send an email and include a few pictures of the plant to your local university extension office - they can i.d. it for you.

Here is their contact information:

http://lee.ifas.ufl.edu/contact_us.shtml
Muddy1
Vienna, VA
(Zone 7a)

November 17, 2013
5:57 PM

Post #9711335

According to Wikipedia, there are several dozen species in the genus Mirabilis, so it could be a cousin of the 4 o'clock.
SeekingNirvana
Cape Coral, FL

November 17, 2013
6:11 PM

Post #9711348

Thank you KayJones, I will look further to that resource :)

And Muddy1, I am going to study up a bit on Mirabilis, it is only necessary. :) thank you.
Muddy1
Vienna, VA
(Zone 7a)

November 17, 2013
7:00 PM

Post #9711371

You're welcome; let us know what you find out.
purpleinopp
Opp, AL
(Zone 8b)

November 19, 2013
9:35 AM

Post #9712400

These are not plants I know well, thankfully, but similar leaves...?
Tovara
Houttunia
Polygonym

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