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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
6:50 AM

Post #9776358

We came from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1344533/

Sharing methods and experiences in starting all kinds of seeds. Please join in, all are welcome!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
11:06 AM

Post #9776520

I spent most of the day yesterday and some time today adding another tray and potting up Asclepias and Lupines, which both had roots trailing out of the 2 1/2" tall x 3 1/2" deep" pots they were in. My one A incarnata and one of the Lupines were huge, so I put them in 5" pots. The rest went into 4". To my surprise, a few of the Aslepias tuberosa had much smaller root systems, not even taking up half the space. They were in MG Seed Starting Mix, which seemd very soggy and heavy. Everything is now in Self Watering Container Mix from Gardener's Supply, which should give them better drainage. Where the roots were sticking way out. I trimmed them. Today they seem happy, I hope they stay that way, lol.
I also got Germinating Mix from GS, which looks like all peat and vermiculite. I punched a few holes in 3 oz drink cups and sowed a bunch of stuff in those and put them under the dome:

Nicotiana mutabilis Marshmallow- pink, lavender and white on the same plant, 4'
Nicotiana tabacum Red Russian- bright red, 5-7'
Nicotiana glutinosa- Peach Screamer, 3'
Nicotiana langsdorfii x alata- green, blue pollen 3'
Leonotis nepetaefolia Klip Dagga- Orange, 4' (bonus packet from Daggawalla.com, where I got the new nicotianas)
Verbena Bonariensis

One last try with the new mix, no pre-treatment, the last small batch of seeds in both cases:
Aquilegia Maggie Mae
Platycodon double pink,

I put the Deno baggies of Asclepias incarnata Rosa and Stachys macrantha back in the freezer.
Last but not least, I started soaking another batch of S macrantha in Hand Hot Water. That's it for today!

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
7:11 PM

Post #9776858

My Maggie Mae took 19 days to germinate...thought I'ld let you know..lol...
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
7:18 PM

Post #9776865

Oh, good to know! As you know, mine did nothing two years in a row. But with this new mix I thought it would be worth trying again the way you do it, no pre-treatment. I think because I use the self-watering system, certain things get too wet in regular planting mixes. I know your method uses much less water than mine, maybe this will be the solution.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
7:18 PM

Post #9776866

Oh, good to know! As you know, mine did nothing two years in a row. But with this new mix I thought it would be worth trying again the way you do it, no pre-treatment. I think because I use the self-watering system, certain things get too wet in regular planting mixes. I know your method uses much less water than mine, maybe this will be the solution.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
9:12 PM

Post #9776933

LOL, double answering huh...must of hit th button 2x... If you can't get them to germinate let me know I'll put a plant for you in your box this spring. Just looked and so far I have ten babies...and more seed in the pot tho not sure if they will sprout. From the catalogs I've seen the past few years I haven't seen the seed available. If I send you a plant I'll try to find one of them that was planted last fall so it should bloom this season. Kathy
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
9:42 PM

Post #9776938

How strange, the double post, I have no idea how that happened!

I got a surprise gift today, red Lupines and red poppies, probably P somniferum. I know what to do with the Lupines, but what is the best way to get the poppies going? Kathy, how does your method work for them? Any special treatment needed?

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

February 25, 2014
10:07 PM

Post #9776944

Checking in again :D

Been way busy but everything's off to a happy start so far. Whipped the fungus/mold issue my tomatoes were having with one light sprinkle of cinnamon at first evidence, then watered with a 4:1 water, hydrogen peroxide dilute. Happy campers now and looking to up into drinking cups this weekend. Peppers are going strong too, but I'll be happy when all the veggies are outside so I can see prettier things all day! They really are quite boring now that they're content..

Wow Karen, you are a lucky girl to score all those seeds! And your list of garden plants had me oohing and aahing and pausing to look up a few I'd never heard of before! I think I'm going to have to get some of that golden jubilee agastache, that chartreuse foliage against those electric flowers is ridiculous! And that salvia plumosa, WOW!

Kathy, I so wish I had your kind of space! To make sure I get the most out of the space I do have, I've prioritized the order in which seeds get germinated by wintersown first, veggies next, then all my other 'must haves', I'm sure some of the seeds are going to wait a bit longer than I'd like but I'll get to them all sooner or later! LOL

Celene, I never would have thought to shop etsy for seeds, tbh I haven't been on there in a while, I should go check it out. Or not. Maybe after after I get a grip on what I already have. And that really sucks about someone stealing your plants! I'd be planting cacti in and around your favorites! Hehehe steal from me, do ya??!!

Susie, love your hothouse! I've thought about incorporating the rope lights into my germination station, how are they performing for you?

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

February 25, 2014
10:11 PM

Post #9776946

Pam your babies are looking good! How soon after sprouting do you use the maxicrop? My buddy is always raving about it but I couldn't find it in my travels recently so I went with some superthrive instead. Now I'm too chicken to use it on my healthy seeding as I don't want to murder them, but I sure would like to give them a boost!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 25, 2014
11:21 PM

Post #9776961

I got my Maxicrop from Amazon. I think the powdered form is the most economical. 1 teaspoon per gallon, once a week is what's recommended.

Since I use a self-watering system, which also means it's continuous, I dilute it a lot more than that to fill the trays. I usually mix full strength - 1/2 tsp in a 1/2 gallon container, along with 1 drop of SuperThrive for the roots and 5 or 6 oz of peroxide, and pour some into each tray. Then I fill them up the rest of the way without adding more Maxicrop to the mix. So far, after only a couple of weeks the results are impressive. I had some pretty pathetic Campanulas which are finally putting on some growth, and everything else is thriving.

Newly germinated seedlings don't need fertilizer until they develop their true leaves. I haven't had new babies since I started using it, but I will soon, and because of my system they'll get it anyway. I don't think it will be a problem, though. I think they just don't use what they don't need.

I love that A Golden Jubilee too. I got a few seeds in the robin, hope they do something for me!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

February 26, 2014
9:49 AM

Post #9777209

Ok Pam, you convinced me, I think I'll stop being chicken and use the superthrive on my mater seedlings then. And order the maxicrop online, unless someone here has tried another seaweed fertilizer from chain stores and has had results. Idk if my hub will let me spend another 30 bucks for the maxicrop right now. I just dropped $500 on rainwater collection system and veggie garden materials. That was what my portion of our tax refund went to.. My priorities have def changed in the last few years since I started playing in the dirt LOL!!!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

February 26, 2014
10:10 AM

Post #9777223

Stillplayswithdirt...How appropriate your name...lol.. that's what I like to do play in the dirt... Yes, I'm grateful for having soo much land to play with. It's been quite the experience changing it from feild grasses to gardens. I claim more area each year and will be interesting to see what it will become 5 years from now when the trees and shrubs have become established and the flowers have filled in. Til then I just keep on planting... Should be a good year for all the Iris and so many of my new babies from last season, including sooo many wonderful trades too. This will be the first time for the Foxgloves (most of which are biennial), I must have planted hundreds...and Aquilegias also. Only a couple of months til I get to see things begin blooming. Yeah!!!!

Pam you can start them inside (wait til April) or throw the seed when you get home. I would do it early so they get some cold temps..or maybe do both if you feel ambitious...lol. I know you don't have enough to do...lol. Just joking. The gal I got the red Lupine from also let her seed drop in the garden and it made a beautiful patch...they were mixed with a dark purple too, so hope the seed is all red for you, it's the plants they were taken from... thought the reds might look nice in your new blue garden. Both should be a true deep dark red, with no hints of orange or yellow. Good reds are harder to find outside of the rose family or annuals. I know they are there somewhere waiting to grace my garden, I'm still looking for many to include as they have eluded me for years (mostly I have peonies and Alcea, one clem , zinnias and some Lilies)... I planted alot of Lobeilia cardialis last summer, I'm hoping they like my climate. I'm like you...I have mostly blues, purples, whites and pink...

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

February 27, 2014
3:55 AM

Post #9777730

An update on the Etsy seeds--the petunia exserta have all germinated, every last seed. Can't ask for better than that. I also got some marigolds and other easy stuff from the same vendor, but haven't sowed them yet, not for 3 weeks or so.

I personally like SuperThrive. Some folks in the local garden scene practically come to blows over its relative usefulness, so I just quietly drop it in my watering can.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 27, 2014
4:57 AM

Post #9777763

I just came across some notes I copied from an old DG thread, where someone uses Maxicrop and peroxide in the soaking water for seeds and got great germination. I had remembered about using Maxicrop to feed seedlings, but had completely forgotten that part. I'm going to mix some up this morning and spray all my I germinated seeds, including the Deno baggies. The only thing I don't like is that it's dark, making the seeds harder to see. But it's worth it to get more sprouts!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

February 28, 2014
7:29 PM

Post #9779150

Lol Kathy, yes it is very appropriate.. I have a dirt layer as a type, but alas, mommy doesn't rate a shower until the kiddos are fed, clean and happy! :) I have seeds for about 6 diff foxglove varieties but no room to plant them so I guess they will wait until next year. I wanted to wintersown them but I think I read they won't germ that way.. Never doing this many tomatoes again.. They have really eaten up all my space! I have too many seeds I want to grow to not have room to start them, it really is torture! Lol

Celene, next time I'm on etsy I'll have to pick up a pack of seeds just because. I love that site so much! And I value your opinion on the superthrive, also I understand the conflict of opinion on such things. My gardener buddy who got me hooked on this hobby to begin with, has advised me against certain things, but I just politely nod and decide for myself. To each their own, and if we all did the same things it would take the learning out of the experience, and IMHO, that's half the fun :D

Pam, yes I have heard amazing things about maxicrop for so many different applications. I am definitely getting some soon. Once my wallet has fattened a bit ;)
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

February 28, 2014
8:29 PM

Post #9779176

Becky, You're right about people having different ideas and opinions of how to do things. That's been the fun of this thread for me, trying out various techniques and seeing how they work for me in my conditions. And I've always loved playing in dirt :-)

Kathy, that deep red sounds gorgeous! There's an old azalea in the Blue Garden that is recovering from having been nearly smothered by a Hydrangea Petiolaris. It didn't bloom last year, but this year should be good. It's a peachy-coral color which I think the deep red will be beautiful with. I soaked and froze the seeds already, they are thawing now.

I did spray everything with the Maxicrop solution yesterday morning, and it didn't look as dark on the paper towel as I thought it would. I was gone overnight, didn't even get to look at anything until tonight. The first sprouts of Leonotis nepetaefolia are showing. That was quick :-)

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 1, 2014
6:13 AM

Post #9779322

I'm off to get Maxicrop today...

badcat

badcat
BELLEVILLE, IL
(Zone 6b)

March 1, 2014
6:29 AM

Post #9779342

I just read through this entire thread haha yes (a pot of coffee and 2 hrs later...). I had seen some references about an Ice cube method and Iv really neglected my iris seeds. Everything else is under control downstairs and in the fridge. Im hoping its not too late for them.

I just want to make sure I have this right...

Soak in hand hot water over night
soak for 3 weeks and change out water daily
start deno method
put icecubes in the bag in the morning and evening, for a couple weeks (outside or inside fridge?)
then plant

Iv been soaking these for about *muffled sounds* weeks. (7) Idk, thoughts? Should I literally freeze them?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 3, 2014
12:45 PM

Post #9780993

Something easy , but fun , A Zinnia , fourth day , There is a sprout in the middle of the pic .
Heat , heat , Heat , With these . for germination .

I think I have finally figured out how to sort these as seeds ,,lol
I will pic again when it gets it leaves up .

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Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 3, 2014
6:04 PM

Post #9781225

It's a little early for me to plant zinnias. I have many varieties, I love them so much.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 3, 2014
7:42 PM

Post #9781291

I got my first Red Lupine sprout yesterday and planted it. The first batch of pink Lupines The chatelaine are getting big already.

Also the first Nicotianas- Russian Red and Peach Screamer- and the Leonotis from Daggawalla have sprouted in their little Dixie cups.

Waiting for a bunch more... As soon as there's room in the propagator, I'll start Petunias, Salvias, and Snapdragons.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 4, 2014
6:27 AM

Post #9781514

I have a lot of petunias up now. Exserta, integrifolia, axillaris, and a new (to me) cultivar, Sparklers. I WS all of my Nicotianas, I've never heard of Russian Red or Peach Screamer. Now I have to go google them...
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 4, 2014
6:50 AM

Post #9781528

I got them from Daggawalla.com. They have an amazing assortment, a fun site to look at. As well as the ornamental ones, they carry a lot of smoking tobacco varieties. Red Russian is one of those. I just couldn't resist 5-7' tall bright red flowers! Supposed to be a hummingbird magnet. Looooove that!
gardennanna
Litchfield, IL

March 4, 2014
12:14 PM

Post #9781787

Hi, I'm just joining you on this thread. I'm a beginner and have already learned a lot from these forums. I started one week ago with both the pod system and seeding in clear containers. I'm trying cherry tomatoes, beef steak tomatoes, peppers and various annuals. The tomatoes are up as are some flowers. Hoping they make it! I'm sure I will have a lot of questions.
Helen

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 4, 2014
12:20 PM

Post #9781792

Hello all, Here are those zinnia today .
My peppers are giving me trouble germinating though , Only one old Cayenne so far ,
Bur Marigold one is up , for basket



Five days from seed .
Pics a little fuzzy

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 4, 2014
5:03 PM

Post #9781951

Welcome Helen... Just chime in anytime you hve a question...lol, just be prepared to decide which answer to use. Not that any of the different ways are wrong.. just could be a couple of ways to solve any dilema.. Kathy

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 4, 2014
6:23 PM

Post #9782006

Kathy's right, the diversity of approaches to seed-starting is so valuable!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 5, 2014
2:13 PM

Post #9782569

I've enjoyed trying different methods, especially for tricky perennials. All the suggestions have been great- not that I've used them all, lol... But my success rate has definitely gone up :-)

So ask away, we love it!

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 5, 2014
3:59 PM

Post #9782641

So, I have my Maxicrop powder, and it's one teaspoon per gallon. It smells awful. So...water in seeds with it? Soak seeds that require soaking?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 5, 2014
10:01 PM

Post #9782803

This is what I copied from a DG post:

"I've been soaking seeds in a Maxicrop/water mix. "Maxicrop" is a fancy liquid seaweed. I've been using it for everything you can imagine, cuts, seeds, seedling etc.. It's awesome imo and I've found it raises germination rates bigtime on older seeds. The wife and I have done side by sides w/ the same seeds, some in water and the others in maxicrop. There was no comparison, maxicrop gave us 99% germ rates and much faster to sprout where the seeds in water were at best 50/50 w/ germ rates that varied a LOT. Now I use "superthrive" on them as soon as they pop up. It's a hormone that tells the plant to root hard NOW and worry about vegetative growth a little later. It's great stuff. I wouldn't be afraid of mixing that w/ the hydrogen peroxide solution either. IMO, some of the best liquid ferts I've used have a combo of H2O2 and fertilizer."

I haven't done all that yet, and I couldn't swear to the increased germination, I'm just starting to use it. I don't think it smells bad, at least not so far. But certainly worth trying, don't you think?

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

March 5, 2014
11:42 PM

Post #9782819

[quote="badcat"]I just want to make sure I have this right...

Soak in hand hot water over night
soak for 3 weeks and change out water daily
start deno method
put icecubes in the bag in the morning and evening, for a couple weeks (outside or inside fridge?)
then plant

Iv been soaking these for about *muffled sounds* weeks. (7) Idk, thoughts? Should I literally freeze them?[/quote]
Amanda you have most of it right. However when you soak the iris seeds also add the icecubes to the water. It is the ice that gives the seeds flunctuating temps to encourage sprouting. No freezing. And keep the seeds in water, but out of the fridge.

The ice replaces planting the seeds in covered containers and leave them out all winter. The ice gives them a head start in growing. My iris seeds are in boxes outside to sprout in Spring. She told me too late. I will try her method in the spring for I have no room inside with all the daylilies.

My customer started this as an experiment and it is working great. She keeps me informed. She has 25+ baby irises already growing in pots.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 6, 2014
7:38 AM

Post #9783033

Depending how that goes , I've been using ice on seeds to fluctuate temperature to activate germination for decades..
Even on slow annuals it will sometimes work .
Small ice packs (gel ice ) i have used if their handy ..

badcat

badcat
BELLEVILLE, IL
(Zone 6b)

March 6, 2014
8:15 AM

Post #9783071

Thanks! Off to go get them going in the right direction!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 6, 2014
2:37 PM

Post #9783350

Good for you, badcat! Please eep us posted...

I have nothing new to report, except that all the Nicotiana are up, and the Verbena Bonariensis is starting to show a little green.

The new batch of Lupines are slow to germinate. I see the seed coats beginning to crack, but they don't change from day to day. Maybe another soak would get them going? Or I could just try to be patient. Not really my thing, lol...

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

March 6, 2014
8:13 PM

Post #9783557

My this years---so far 56---DL seedlings. Some are my own crosses, others from LA. More to come. There is going to be less lawn in my back yard this season.

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 7, 2014
8:03 AM

Post #9783868

I wonder if the ice cube method would work for my Cephalaria seed? Tried warmth first, nothing. then put them on the porch for 3 wks, brought them in and about 2 wks now, still nothing?!!! Darn.

Where do you get the Maxicrop? So Maxicrop is just fish emulsion? (Maybe could use another brand?) I looked @ H.Depot and my local nursery and can't find. Did pick up a bottle of Superthrive, and rooting powder. (got a box of shrub and tree cuttings to work on, fingers are crossed!!!!).

Got my plastic up yesterday on the horse stall (back of the garage). Whew, just in time too, rain and snow are heading my direction today. So it should be warming up out there and ready for use in a few days. Wanna make sure the soil is warmed before putting anything out there just yet. Now I just need to get busy with potting things on. While at the nursery, did my dumpster diving for pots. Darn, just weren't that many yet. Should be able to find a gazillion later this month tho... Time to also pick up another bale of Peat Moss, forgot when I was at H.D. Gotta try and find a bale that's not frozen. They are sooooo tough to break up when they are. Maybe I could get lucky and hit them when they get their spring shipment. Kathy
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 7, 2014
10:02 AM

Post #9783975

I got mine from Amazon, the powdered form is easy to mix and the bag will last a long, long time. You only use 1 teaspoon per gallon, once a week. It was $18.99 free shipping because we have the Prime card. I think there are some cheaper sources on Amazon if you have to pay for shipping anyway.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 7, 2014
11:31 AM

Post #9784054

Thinking about trying some these for a while now , the plant boosters ,,
Kathy Did you check out the Two for One seed sale H.D. is having nationally ,, ? lol
Like if you saw that , ? although that is question , he he ..

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 7, 2014
9:11 PM

Post #9784420

Love the pics of everyone's seedlings, y'all keep me motivated!! Mine are so slow.. I am hoping my wintersown jugs will start to show me some green soon, I was getting pretty antsy waiting for them, but with these late freezes I'm actually glad they've been late to start.

I am still nursing the tomatoes along (I feel so bogged down with these tomatoes right now. Never again will I start this many, I swear! Lol!) along with some fish peppers, ghost peppers. Strawberry spinach chenopodium came up, siam queen basil is up as well. I over seeded that one BIG time! I must have 50 little sprouts in one cell I need to dump tomorrow and separate! Still waiting on germination from the ponderosa lemon, peperone de cuneo peppers, and mexican mint marigold. I realized I have way too much seed.. thank goodness for winter sowing (if it works me, that is) and will be direct sowing most of my herbs. Okay phone is gonna croak, good luck to all, will be back :)

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 8, 2014
7:47 AM

Post #9784676

Juhur..lol, Nope, I think I need to stay out of there... LOL. Darn, I just picked up a few packets before the sale, some new Zinnas: Giant 'Scarlet Flame', 'Giant Violet Queen', and 'Giant Lavender Gem'. all top out at 2 1/2'. Like those tall ones!

Pam, is it just seaweed fert.? am thinking I've got some seaweed fert somewhere here, tho not that brand. Also have bat guanno. Tho so far have only been using a weak solution of Miracle Grow and Peroxide, both for misting and watering (misting 3-5x s a day). Seedlings are looking good so far.

Becky, so when do you get to plant those tomatoes outside...April? That's alot of veggies your growing. Not sure what all I'm going to plant this year, but did pick up some Rhubarb and Potatoes (Russet and Yukon Gold) from Walmart yesterday. Guess I should have picked up the onions also...

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 8, 2014
10:36 AM

Post #9784809

Yep Kathy, April 1 is my target date. Have alot of tomatoes, herbs, peppers, garlics, and starting asparagus from seed this year as well. Also doing a three sisters bed, just waiting one more week to plant my corn. If I can get a spot worked soon enough, I'll also plant a bean teepee. Wanted to do a bean tunnel but now I know there isn't enough room. Okay luck guys, off to go play in the dirt!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 8, 2014
10:44 AM

Post #9784823

I would guess all seaweed is good, maybe some brands are better like everything else. I read that post about 'Maxicrop ages ago, didn't find it right away and forgot about it. Then I was reading the Christopher Lloyd book about seed starting and it was mentioned again. At the same time my Campanulas were looking puny, so I looked again and found it.

I have a lot of transplanting to do, and another bunch of stuff to get started. Tomorrow ... ;-)

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 8, 2014
11:15 AM

Post #9784848

A few peppers , A salvia , A ziinia are all I have as seedlings indoors for now .
Miracle grow I will be using again shortly . always have .
Radishes , Beets . outside are next , then Tomatoes . Garlic, Onions and Leeks outside are showing signs of life outside .
My outside Wintersow list is kind of long ,. there are several
Some from trades have not sprouted this time , but I will keep trying , When I do small trades , I get several from inventory's that can take longer ..
Lowe's carries Burpee seeds here I might go have a look shortly ..

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 8, 2014
1:15 PM

Post #9784936

Lol pam, I would have thought seaweed is seaweed...

So why are you all planting garlic this spring...usually is planted in the fall. You'll still have to wait til next spring to pick and use...right?

Becky, just to let you know Walmart has crowns of Asparagus. Didn't look at the price but can't be that $$$$ and so much faster. Even with the crowns you have to wait til next season to harvest, if seed started will it be 2 years? Hope I can find some of mine this years. Planted a bunch 2 years ago and lost track of them in the overgrown mess out there. LOL. Grasses took back that area...hmmm maybe need to put that on my to do list...

badcat

badcat
BELLEVILLE, IL
(Zone 6b)

March 8, 2014
4:24 PM

Post #9785069

update: Giving the Iris seeds Icecubes at Breakfast and Dinner time :) since 3/6

Planted my Cukes, Sugarsnap and Early "something" grey sugar peas? the flat ones lol, Yellow squash and zucchini. Seems like a week ago I did this, theyre 6" tall at least! Ill post a pic.Going to get potted on this weekend! Everything else has been potted on and just waiting to go outside. I did start some brussel sprouts, first time for me! We'll see how they do :) I LOVE going out to the veg garden and filling my freezer/pantry with the food Iv grown, my squirts like helping pick them. Iv got about 40 daylily seedlings, a few other flowers, and the rest is veggie and herbs.

Ok now that im looking at these pics, the 2nd is from last night. Going to get one from today. BIG DIFF!!!

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Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 8, 2014
4:45 PM

Post #9785093

I potted up some of my seedlings that needed it...another crop of assorted plectranthus, cuphea, tithonia, passiflora, Goji berry, and Vigna caracalla.

And...I started some safflower seed indoors, on a heating mat, and it germinated well! First time ever. I did use a very well-draining mix, and I had seedlings popping up in five days.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 8, 2014
5:00 PM

Post #9785111

My Garlic has been out since last fall , some is wild, I let it grow all the time and snip fall and spring for garlic greens

Salvia and peppers ,

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badcat

badcat
BELLEVILLE, IL
(Zone 6b)

March 8, 2014
5:12 PM

Post #9785120

Ok I JUST took these. Theyve not had any Miracle Grow, just dirt and water. Growing like weeds. The dirt is from my yard, my peppers and tomatoes last summer were taller than me (im 5'7'').I knew my dirt was good here, I just didnt realize how good. Im a happy camper seeing this. Yeah! First pic from above is from 2 days ago, I looked back to see the date. This makes me very happy for things to come this summer :D!

Those are some of my daylilies in the pics in the front, another First time for growing!

Heres my growing setup, always room for improvement, but its working for me so far. Picked up another light for the bottom shelf or maybe ill hang it from the ceiling over the bar. We will see :) Also picked up some Fungicide today, so Ill save the peroxide for the boys.

I enjoy seeing everyones pics, LOVING seeing everyones pics!!! So much excellent info here! So glad Im here!!!

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 9, 2014
9:52 AM

Post #9785543

Lots of great growing going on around here! I do loooove success, lol!

Another deep red Lupine sprouted, and I planted it in a cell under the dome. The two that showed last week haven't come up yet after being planted. These seeds overall have been developing much more slowly than the pink The Chatelaine. Maybe the seed coat is harder, I didn't nick them and maybe the soaking and freezing wasn't enough to soften them up. So this morning I started soaking them again in Hand Hot Water and Maxicrop to give them a boost.

While I was at it, I decided to do the same with the 1st batch of Stachys macrantha seeds. They've been soaked once and frozen twice a few weeks apart. I think a couple may be beginning to crack, but the paper towel is starting to smell less fresh. If they're going to do anything it should be soon- it's already been a couple of months. Maybe soaking will help them along. Worth a try...

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 9, 2014
3:38 PM

Post #9785785

I still intend to purchase some maxicrop, I would have already if I had stumbled upon it while shopping.

Kathy I should have specified, my garlic isn't from seed, it is still in ground from last year, along with some mint, rosemary and walking onions. I plan to divide it all this or next week so I can plant them in and then sow more seed in my new raised bed! I also saw the asparagus crowns at Wally world, and had them in my hand, then put them back since I remembered I already ordered some seed from baker creek. They are the Mary (or is it martha, lol) Washington variety and I eventually want a huge patch, so I will sow every last seed this year, then replant them in a very rich new bed next year. I think it's 2-3 years from seed but I'm in no rush.. Lots of land to prepare in the meantime. Sounds like we have the same problem, having lots of wild land that tries to reclaim its independence every chance it gets.

Nice job Badcat, I can't wait til harvest either, and I don't been have it planted yet! Patience right? Lol

Also I had some more strawberry spinach sprout for me this morning along with my first peperone de cuneo :)
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 9, 2014
4:34 PM

Post #9785816

I leave garlic in the ground year round, too. I have a patch, but also use them to help repel pests, and those are spread around. Last year I had a bunch lining the squash bed, and some between marigolds with tomatoes. Sometimes in the spring I'll move a few clumps, or pull up any that are in the way of the new plantings. The tops are great in salads or for a garnish, much more mild than mature cloves.

Lazy day, never got to the transplanting. This week for sure...

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 9, 2014
7:04 PM

Post #9785929

Pam, I've heard of people using homemade garlic oil sprays to keep away the buggies, but I may try your trick of lining beds with it. We have a creek nearby that is being choked out by wild garlic. I may pull some of it up just for this purpose. Also I bought a box of elephant garlic at the grocery and was wondering if I could plant it in the garden now. Anyone try this before?

And I still haven't transplanted my tomatoes either, I am seriously way behind and am hoping they aren't tangled and ruined. But as you say, I'm sure I'll get to it this week! Lol
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

March 9, 2014
7:49 PM

Post #9785985

I have some Sea Magic that is a powder that you mix into a bottle and then that is used diluted as well. It is seaweed powder. I think I got it at Burpee's some time ago on sale. Would it be similar to MaxiCrop? I have not used that brand, or if I have, it was a long time ago.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 9, 2014
8:37 PM

Post #9786056

It's probably at least similar, if not the same. Maxicrop is 1-0-4, and the seaweed is from the Norwegian coast-- Ascophyllum nodosum. I have no idea what the differences would be between brands, I took that info from the package just now.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 10, 2014
9:50 AM

Post #9786513

Ok, becky, got it..lol. Sometimes you just have to draw pictures..lol.

Suppose to be 70* here today and then snow tomorrow... Maybe should go outside today and begin cutting things back and hauling last years tops to the mulch pile.. It will take me weeks to get this task done..but will have to work from the path as the last snow is still meting.. Maybe throw some seed while I'm out there..but it should be nice o get out of the house and get some fresh air...Yeah!!!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 10, 2014
10:11 AM

Post #9786543

I've been walking around the garden , a few times , doing and thinking the same , cutting stems of flowers from last year ,
I am looking forward to the extra ten degrees we usually gain about now . !
As soon as I can gain some go fuel and energy I will try a few more seeds . It doesn't take that much energy to do , but it does , if that makes any sense , ?
Nice to walk around without zero wind in the face ,, really really nice !
Looking to see where to plant a few Borage seeds , , cute tasty Herb and it is a Big Plant ..!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 10, 2014
9:05 PM

Post #9786939

I guess today was a piddle around the garden type day nationwide..

Built a new fenced-in compost heap today, added all the contents of my kind of crappy old bin, and some rotten hay. Took forever. Then I added a ton of rabbit pellets to my square foot beds so all they are waiting for now is their composted horse manure and peat moss.. The flower beds also got a sprinkling of rabbit poop.

I am still too chicken to direct seed anything into my flower beds, too many chances for something bad to happen. I need to get over that one, I know.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 10, 2014
9:17 PM

Post #9786945

I'm with you on that one... It's too wild out there, lol.

I start almost everything inside. At my old place I'd direct sow Nasturtiums and California Poppies, but here the weeds take over, the only thing that works reliably outside is sowing in containers. I do get some volunteers from annuals, but not always where I want them, and often not enough. I even start most veggies and herbs inside, much safer.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 12, 2014
9:37 AM

Post #9788041

OK, finally got to the chores. I set up the last two trays, only using one so far, but that will change soon. Pic 1 is how the window looks now.

All the Nicotiana babies are on the bottom. The Leonotis nepaetifolia was huge, and the N tabacum Red Russian and N glutinosum Peach Screamer were pretty big too, with roots all tangled up. I don't think the Leonotis would have minded if I separated them all, very vigorous grower to say the least, but I don't have room for all of them so I planted them HOS- Hunk Of Seedlings, in 2.5" pots (6). The others are in cells. I'll thin them once I'm sure they're stabilized. N langsdorfii x Alata is small, like the regular N lang, and so is the N mutabilis. I'm keeping a dozen of each.

And the rest keep growing. I gave the big Asclepias a haircut, it was too tall, too close to the lights.

I was planning to start the next batch of annuals today, but suddenly have other chores to deal with. This weekend for sure...

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 12, 2014
11:54 AM

Post #9788122

Went out and worked in the garden all afternoon on Monday. From the path's edge as it was too wet to go any deeper. Was going to throw some seed and never got tio it.. Thankgoodness, yesterday was 35-40 mph breezes and snow... But alas it's almost melted off now. Not much in the way of greening up yet but did find a few more JJs blooming. So atleast I had those little smiling faces to cheer me up ad remind me that spring will be here soon. Hope they did a good job of reseeding themselves about and filling new areas where they hadn't creeped before.. Am hoping the yellow and orange ones give a great show this year as they were newly added last season...

'Bout time to begin the next batch of seedlings, maybe some of those annuals and a few veggies. Also need to pot up some packaged thngs I got from Wally World and H.D. the other day.Peonies, phlox ( the deep orange one), a couple of Eryngium planum, and got another Rhubarb for the backyard. Ok need to get something accomplished today so will be back later...Kathy

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 12, 2014
12:15 PM

Post #9788139

I actually have some old fashioned Rhubarb seeds for trying a little later , Not entirely sure of how to grow them , if they do well , I will probably try a newer type ..

Today 30 and snow , did bunches of sorts , lol . yesterday , it was 64 degrees and sunny .
Zinnia are potted up now , Had a few sitting outside yesterday .
These are peppers getting their true leaves now , Salvia about ready to separate .
A few poppies came up outside , We will see in a week or so or a few days if any survive ,,
Green pot is a few Peach tree cuttings yesterday .
No where near you all with seedlings and such and the weather is so unpredictable , Keeps trying to keep one (On ones toes") Like " "Ballet dance" to keep up.
Moving along it is though ...
WWK ; I missed something , What are JJ's ?

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 12, 2014
1:27 PM

Post #9788215

JJ's are Johnny Jump-ups, those fresh-faced little beauties that pop up everywhere to cheer us up at the end of winter. They really cover the ground at our place, and I let them go and go, only pulling up the ones that get in the way. Just love'm

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 13, 2014
9:32 AM

Post #9788745

Pam..do you get a mix of colors? I have several variations (Most of my pix are on the other 'puter, sorry Juhur, I can send some seeds if you like...) I collect seed from as many plants as I can and just throw them around in other areas that need a patch...great ground cover!! LOL..

Juhur...go to your home page and on the right side there is a story on Violas today..check out the pix and the more photos...It takes you to another sight filled with pix of these babies!!!

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 13, 2014
10:37 AM

Post #9788784

I let the standard Viola grow some here , everybody usually weed killers the little things,
A shame as Butterflies use them also , Host plants some of them .
Every once in a while I will see a tricolor or an all white ,
Sometime I will try a pot of the newer hybrids , as for now keeping up with what I have , is about all I can do .
Easy enough , But I fatigue a few times of year .. Blooms to see are a good motivator , always have been . I might get to set my zinnia outside tomorrow , the weather playing , 64 yesterday , 24 , today , 60's again tomorrow .. ^_^
I hope to have a lot of them and the Salvia ,, Bee city ..^_^
Kathy , As for now , keeping up with growing what I have , I thank you for the offer !!!^_^
Once my ideal flowers and Vegetables are in the ground . I will try organize ,! (an everlasting with me ) lol
I like Pansy also , I have seen them blooming , years like this when you would think they would be frozen solid in February . It was twelve degree a few years ago , I walked past a large decorator pot of them Blooming away,, they were !

Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 13, 2014
6:03 PM

Post #9789046

I do have several different ones, and yes, they make a wonderful ground cover. This spring I'll try to get pics of the variations. Funny, the first spring I came to the property, it was cold and barren, an empty slate. I bought JJ seeds, the ones in the pic above, and scattered them around. I also bought some Forget-me-not seeds and some McKanna Aquilegia plants.

Over the next few weeks, as everything already here got growing, I had to laugh. Not only those, but all the regular stuff for this part of the world, are all over the place. Who knows how many generations have been planting here, each one putting in the favorites of their day? And who knows how much the birds have helped along the way! Now I look for ways to add to the variety, especially plants that survive with little help, and new types of self-seeders, so maybe some of my faves will be around for the next generation to wonder about :-).


juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 13, 2014
10:03 PM

Post #9789146

I have a Japanese Maple seed sprouting . Only took two years of stratifying ,
Good , oh ,my . 2 years !!! ^_^ Wow , If I had been concerned about success or in a hurry , I would believe that was a Wait !!!
I know , here comes the they don't seed true , but it will still be interesting , and I have learned something ,, lol
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 14, 2014
1:25 AM

Post #9789176

Good for you! How did you stratify it? Outside, letting nature do it? Or inside? What patience!!!

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 14, 2014
5:17 AM

Post #9789243

That is some germination patience!!
martyR
Munster, IN
(Zone 5b)

March 14, 2014
9:03 AM

Post #9789402

Wow you guys are so far ahead ahead of me. I have to knuckle down and getting some planting done this next week. But it's good encouragement for you so thank you for what you all post.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 15, 2014
10:04 AM

Post #9790127

LOL, ya Marty, hop t it... You still have 2 months before most things can be planted out so that's enough time to get many thing going... and actually too early for most annuals yet.

Juhur, which of the Japanese Maples are you growing? My favorite is Acer ginella... it happens to be the only one that has fragrant blossoms in the spring!!!!.. Yummmmmmm! I thought Maples were easy to sprout, tho have never tried...(I just remember sedlings popping up for various maples that I've seen, maybe some sprout more readily than other varieties within the Acer family. Yes tell us more..

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 15, 2014
10:20 AM

Post #9790134

WWK' I have three types , A red that gets to about 15 feet , you see them often , a lot of people have them . Common native Acer (Maples ) are easy to grow in fact I weed thousands every year out of my flowers ,Japanese Maples aren't easy to sprout from seed for Amateurs (me) lol
The one sprouting 6 to 8 feet , fern like Palmate foliage ..
Another that only gets 4 ft tall .
Something I like to try seeds are from a hybridizer , I have never had any sprout for me , I was told in a rather expensive textbook years ago , 2 0r3 (common) to 12 yrs is average or not uncommon .
Makes the reason for cuttings real clear , doesn't it ?,-lol
It is not looking real good so far (the sprout )
Only hey !!! as before )lol I Got One )LOL^_^
More Peppers

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 15, 2014
11:34 AM

Post #9790168

Ju, you're going to have peppers coming out of your ears, lol! I've given up on those, and beefsteak tomatoes, and other hot weather lovers. We just have too many tall trees around, so no really full all-day sun, and in our climate without that what you get is eeewwww!

I pulled out the annual salvias, petunias, snapdragons and a few other slow growers, but didn't get to do anything yet. Something came up suddenly that took over the afternoon. Luckily it happened before I made the big mess of starting mix, etc on the kitchen table, lol!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 15, 2014
11:51 AM

Post #9790175

Oh your talking about the fancy types...lol. Ah, good luck with germinating them, fingers are crossed for you! Where do you get most of the seed from... when your out and about or order them from other sources...?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 15, 2014
12:12 PM

Post #9790191

WWK I was looking around a few years ago , typed in Japanese Maple seeds . Did that browsing for some time before I bought a few ,
No particular place comes to mind and the info is in my last notebook , The one with no start button , (I think I need to go back to paper tablets , by the time I get these things on disc , I've fried another one ,, lol Electronics that is ) lol ...
Couple from import , Asia someplace , ?
I guess that explains why fewer local Bonsai are JP's evergreens and such most of them ,,

Pfg
I can start plants , getting them productive to harvest , well , That is another story ,,lol I'm not always real good at the final...
I have Cayenne and a white Pepper , no sprouts yet .. Sometimes , even with everything just right ,, They sprout too late , like July .. lol with a Grrr
Too much light , too little light ,, too hot .. too cold ... eeeek .. and away we go... etc ,,lol
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 15, 2014
12:53 PM

Post #9790211

Lol, that's how it goes!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 15, 2014
1:53 PM

Post #9790258

WOW 2 YEARS!! That really is some patience!!

Yeah Marty, whatcha waiting for.. Let's get crackin!! Lol just kidding! I was really behind then saw others in my zone had seedlings already hardening off and that really lit a fire under my butt!

But now I am up to my eyeballs in seedlings, spent the better part of 2 days transplanting tomatoes into red solo cups. Out of 220, I still have 200, kind of hoping some croak soon so I have more room to play.. does that make me a bad plant mommy?? Lol

I sprinkled some siam queen basil into ONE CELL and ended up with 70+ sprouts in that one cell! I teased apart the chia clump and ended up with 45 in jiffy pots , hope to pot them up again in a few weeks once these tomatoes move outside. Lots of peppers needing to be separated also, the ghosts, fish, and peperone di cuneo. All of these will remain indoors a bit longer until we really start to warm up.

The ponderosa lemon I sowed still haven't showed up, wonder if I should put them on some heat? And the strawberry spinach seem to be damping off, gotta figure out what's wrong there..
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 15, 2014
5:54 PM

Post #9790392

Isn't it funny... The ones that germinate like mad make us crazy wondering where to put all the little darlings, but the ones that elude us, the ones that scorn our best efforts, still annoy us to distraction, as we try all our newest tricks to coax them into life!!!

Lupines? Platycodons? Campanulas? Piece of cake. Aquilegia Maggie Mae? Not sure yet. Stachys macrantha? Grrrrrr...

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 17, 2014
8:03 AM

Post #9791448

Pam...if they don't make it let me know! I have 10 babies so far of the A. Maggie Mae (still sprouting). And I can send a division of the other... Just remind me!

Potted up some Peonies yesterday, found some great plants at H.D. and the other day at W.Mart. I got them early so the eyes still look good. Most had atleast 10 eyesor more . (Sarah Bernhardt, Karl Rosenfield and Gay Parasol) Still have a few more to do but is suppose to be a bit on the breezy side today so might have to do tomorrow... Maybe I should get around to seeding some of my annuals today and then back to potting on...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 17, 2014
8:07 AM

Post #9791450

Anyone know anything about Yellow Tripod Yucca? I know nothing other than a desert type Aloe it is .
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 17, 2014
11:18 AM

Post #9791634

Sorry Ju, I'm no help there... Someone around here must know something...

I think I have 1 Maggie Mae, but it could be something else that got in there by mistake. Seems very odd that a 6-pack with seeds clustered in all 6 cells would have one lonely little green thread sticking up. It's too soon to tell, but I'm watching with fingers crossed, lol...

Also, I have one mystery plant that may or may not be S macrantha. Do the pics look right? I do re-use the soil from containers that don't sprout, mixed in with new. So it could be. If not, it's a weed.

One more question: The new Red Lupines are sprouting like mad ever since the 2nd round of soaking. I'm up to 9. But this is what I don't know: There are 2 distinctly different seeds in the batch. Some are smaller and very dark brown, the others are bigger and more of a tan color. The bigger ones have been sprouting. Were all the seeds from one plant, or several? Could there have been cross pollination? Or are the smaller seeds immature, but the same plant? I guess the real question is, could the flowers be different?

I have enough now if they're all the same color. But if maybe some are a different color, I want to be sure and get enough of the Red. Hmmmmm...how to tell, without making a huge bed for them and waiting until next year? Gardener's lament, lol.

Finally got most of the early annuals started. Now for the tomatoes...

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deejay9

deejay9
(susie) Hastings, MI
(Zone 5a)

March 17, 2014
1:11 PM

Post #9791729

Pam I Will Be Happy to Grow a few for ya :))))

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 17, 2014
1:45 PM

Post #9791759

Pam, yes you hit the nail on the head.. the seeds I don't have many of are giving me issues and the seeds I really have way too many of are germinating like mad! It's like they are conspiring against me when I'm out of sight, I can almost hear their hushed whispers, "here she comes guys, play dead" LOL

I have to say the hydrogen peroxide watering really does seem to give the stubborn ones a little coaxing. Next year I will start them side by side to compare HP to plain water.

New to germinate via winter sowing:

Agastache urticifolia, giant hyssop 'alba'
Rudbeckia, gloriosa daisy 'double gold'
Salvia azurea, pitcher sage
Salvia coccinea, red
Portulaca grandiflora, double moss rose, white
Perennial mix

Still waiting on the other 50 or so jugs, lol
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 17, 2014
1:56 PM

Post #9791762

Good for you with the Salvia Azurea! It gave me a really hard time last year. I ended up with one weak plant. It's probably too warm and too wet the way I do things inside, and probably the fluctuating temps outside make a difference too. My plant made it through the summer, still puny. I wonder if it will show up in the spring...

Congrats with all your successes :-)

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 17, 2014
4:28 PM

Post #9791877

Well thanks! I'm pretty proud myself, although I'm sure it will still be a while until I'm a pro like y'all! :D

Let me know if you need more seed for the salvia azurea. Icollected it fresh this past fall, could make a difference, maybe? I was reluctant to part with the seeds but now that I have some germinating, and it seems all the transplants made it through winter, I think I'll be ok!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 17, 2014
7:45 PM

Post #9791981

Thanks- my seeds were fresh, but I was using Coir with self-watering trays. I think it was just too soggy. I ended up buying three plants from a local nursery, which grew well and bloomed beautifully in the fall.

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 17, 2014
9:09 PM

Post #9792019

Wow what a heavy bloomer, and look how BLUE they are!!

I have mine planted with various echinacea, a knock out rose, autumn joy sedum and red autumn sage. I have yet to see the lycoris bloom in that bed but hopefully soon, also hoping my feathergrass grows well for me so I can pop that in there with them.. but I'm daydreaming again.. back to earth, Becky!

I read somewhere, maybe here on DG, that if you hack them down by half after their first flush of blooms, they don't flop as bad later.. Gonna try it with one or two this summer.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2014
5:34 PM

Post #9792599

I'll never make it as far as SPWD...but, can someone give me a guestimate on how many hours per day seedlings need to be under the grow light? Any help would be great! TIA.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 18, 2014
6:17 PM

Post #9792623

Pam... not sure of the foliage on Stachys Mcrantha, but it looks correct from what I can remember...lol. Duh!!! Guess I should pay attention...but leaves are similar in shape, so hang onto it!!! LOL. Can't remember if it's a first year bloom tho..., I'm thinking second year along with the Lupine. And to answer your ?, the seeds were taken from plants that were the same color (several) and mixed in a baggy They were growing with a dark purple (single color), so if you get another color I would guess at the Purple... I would guess that some of the seed is maybe more mature than the others, but that's just a guess.

So everyone bought their Salvia a. Pitcherii 'Nekan'. I got my origonal as a 2 1/2" pot. If I remember correctly it bloomed first year at about 3'. Second year it was 4'. And now I've let it reseed in the garden so should be making a nice patch for me... But mines not as floppy...it's straight up! I was growing some from seed this winter but they are looking a bit icky!!! LOL. Thinking if I want more I'll just throw some seed in the garden...Much easier...or move some of my babies to the backyard this year... Yes, Becky, they are the loveliest shade of sky blue!!!!

Susie..did you get some of my Lupine seed? Did you want some if not? Have a mix of the purple and dark red... Also Pam to let you know...I seeded some of the mix and have 2 different color of stems...some are just green and the others are a deep reddish color..so which color they will turn out as I can't say yet... Will have to grow them on and figure out next season, but think I'll keep like colored stems together in the patch.

Spent yesterday seeding scads of things, have to get into my book and post...

Today was potting things up, did 89 and am calling it a day. More tomorrow, gotta let the little bit of snow we had today melt off and then back out to pot up the rest of those Peonies... Potted up the Lily phillipiensis, I need to make sure I get them in the ground early enough in the season to see if they truely bloom first year...My fingers are crossed!!!

Oh Pam almost forgot...your Aquilegia seedliing (s). You will be able to recognize the true leaves when they appear (they are the second set). First set is bright green and a bit oblong, then the recognizeable Columbine leaves... that's what I also potted up today A. Norah Barlow, which is a dark dbl purple...

Ok, chat at you folks later (boys and girls!!! LOL) Juhur...I only have the standard wild Yucca here...(fillimentosa I believe.)

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 18, 2014
6:24 PM

Post #9792632

Robin...I turn mine on in the morning and leave on 12+ hours...These are standard T12's. flourecense (sp). And once up and growing I move them to seperate trays misting several times a day..(usually with a weak solution of Miracle Grow and peroxide...).

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 18, 2014
6:44 PM

Post #9792651

Mipii, I was leaving mine on from 7 am to 7 pm, but pretty sure you can leave them on longer as long as they get 8 hours to rest (so that would be 16 on, 8 off), but I may be wrong here.

You are too kind, if you only knew how crappy my seedlings are looking now, I waited too long to transplant them and they are not liking me anymore. Gave them 1/3 strength MG transplant solution today but I think I'll lose a lot, I'm sure I'll still have enough to plant out, but not a ton of extras to gift and sell.. Oh well, lesson learned!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 18, 2014
9:05 PM

Post #9792745

Thanks Kathy and Becky...12+ hrs. it is. I found a timer so I'm trying that out, going to set up another grow light to accommodate taller, potted up seedlings. First time seeding indoors, first time winter sowing too. It's all wild novice dreams at this point so appreciate expertise to get me rolling, or a push in the right direction when stuck.

I never knew I could have so much fun gardening through the winter. You know...winter hasn't been so unbearable this year. Thanks to all my new-found enabler friends...LOVE my new hobby! Haha, hubby probably couldn't wait to get me out of the dirt all summer, now look at what you guys did!

I'm just a dirty, dirty girl.

Lol Becky, I've detected no timidity from you, you jumped right in with both hands and feet. Your lessons are entertaining...thanks for that too.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 18, 2014
9:12 PM

Post #9792748

I've read the lights should be on 14-16 hours, I do 14. I use T5's, high output daylight bulbs... Very, very bright.

Becky, try a seaweed feed. That did wonders for my ailing Campanulas, and quickly, too.

Kathy, my S Azurea plants were on the tall side when I bought them, and already bent over. I've read that you can cut them back early in the season to get them bushier. They stay a little shorter and bloom later. I think I'd rather have the height and earlier bloom, even if it means staking, at least for the first couple of years.

My Lupines are still infants, just a couple of weeks old, but I think I see a reddish tinge on the ones that sprouted first. Good to know that you're getting distinctly different colored stems. I think mine may be all the same.

The Maybe Aquilegia seedling is growing verrrrry slowly. I guess someday it will show true leaves ;-)

Yippee, a S macrantha! I wish I knew what made it happen. None of the other seeds show any sign of life.

Still didn't get to the tomatoes... Sigh...

Always more to do!!!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 18, 2014
9:19 PM

Post #9792749

Cross post... Mipii, when my husband sees me pull the crate of supplies out from under the kitchen table, he leaves and reads the paper in the other room. If I walk through there, he asks, "How's the garden?" with a straight face. And he doesn't come back in until I've cleaned up my mess. He's a good boy, lol!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 19, 2014
4:53 AM

Post #9792849

Mipii - I like that.. "Novice dreams", should be the name of the forum I belong in! LOL yes jumped in head first and it's a little like quicksandish but I've still got my nostrils above ground. We are both dirty girls! Lol :D

Pam, I will try the seaweed feed next watering, I wish I would have ordered some from the jump off! Your hubby sounds like mine, not too interested but supportive nonetheless. He does like to stand around and chitchat in the summers when I'm watering, but that's all the "help" he gives.. Congrats on the S. Macrantha, isn't it amazing when you've given up and then BAM! Germination! Makes me feel like a magician!

Kathy, my salvia azurea came from the ditch down the road.. Grows wild here (supposedly, but this is first time ever seeing it wild). There was a huge colony growing so I dug up a few of the little guys from around the momma and left the rest be. All the transplants made it, and this was a brutal winter here. Very uncommon ice storms and lots of sub freezing temps. I'm sure I'll always have them now. Very easily wintersowed also, it is one of the first to germinate! I can't wait to see all your seedlings mature, like I said before, seeing your pics are very motivating!

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 19, 2014
5:31 AM

Post #9792875

My husband's gardening interest and participation: I just carry things. Ask the people at the ORVG Roundup. lol

He is interested in plants that produce food.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 19, 2014
5:54 AM

Post #9792890

I just carry things! Lol
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 19, 2014
8:29 AM

Post #9792979

Sounds like really great guys! We are a lucky bunch, I'm so thankful for mine...everyday day. Of coarse, everything would be jam-packed and covered with plants if they had the same obsession as us.

I'm afraid we'd have a dirt shortage.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 19, 2014
1:44 PM

Post #9793171

WWK ; Kathy , I will send a few to you when I find out if their any good ,There seems to be a bunch ,
They were hanging in a bag , on a Key Chain Key hanger in the Kitchen , I hung them there while sorting through seeds in larger bags ,
My Sister came through and was cleaning the Kitchen ,, I had to fish the grocery bag out of the garbage the next day ,, She threw them away ...yikes ..
There were about 25 big baggies of seeds in there .

i forgot ,, I wonder ? Seed Diving ?LOL ^_^ I had never had that happen before .. lol

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 19, 2014
7:43 PM

Post #9793500

Yikes, Ju! Good thing you found them! Nice of your sister to clean up, but sounds like she needs supervision, lol!

On the Lupines, I have 6 red stems and 3 green so far. Another one sprouted today and got planted, one of the bigger tan seeds. I'll see what color that stem is when it emerges. Like you, Kathy, I'll keep the two sets separate in the garden. I'm going to guess for now that the red stems are the red flowers, but I don't expect to see them for another year.

The plants in the garden must show some coloration in the foliage too, right? Maybe when they bloom this spring you'll see which is which?

The other pic is the maybe Aquilegia. It's just beginning to make true leaves. Maybe by next week it will become clear what it is...

I did Christa Barlow last year, more blue than Nora, the same delicate shape. Should get blooms this year, I hope... I also hope I can remember where I put her, my notes don't say. Oops!

My husband does offer to help in the real garden, and once in a while I take him up on it. He's good for helping lift heavy mulch bags onto the wheelbarrow, and using the chain saw for the occasional serious prune. And he seriously admires the results, acts like a proud papa. But mostly he's great for having dinner ready at the end of the day. Loooove a man who cooks, lol!


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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 20, 2014
8:05 AM

Post #9793758

LOL, got a spare man that will cook for me? Still looking for my Prince Charming...Sigh... Lol, actually he should be looking for me!!!!! Hope he's listening! Must be nice to have an extra set of hands to help out with: the heavy stuff, raking, shoveling, mowing the lawn, and just general companionship...those that have spouses count yourselves as lucky.

Juhur, if your offering Yucca seeds, thankyou but NO!! LOL, I have lots of natives that need to be removed from my acerage!!!!!!!!!!!! Those things are nasty, I've run into the spines too many times. Flowers are pretty and they have a wonderful fragrance but just don't care for them.. Most of the neighbors go into their feilds and dig them out every year or so...

Those of you just starting out,,,YEAH!!! It's soo rewarding seeing little babies sprouting, the hard part is having to wait another season to see bloom on many of the perenns.. It's always a nice suprise to find some that bloom first year. I now try to fill in with annuals around the newer perenns, so that means growing extras. Atleast there's something to look at the first season other than a stick. lol. Sorry, no pix this season yet. Am waiting for my puter to go in the shop to get fixed, so all I have are pix from past seed growing experiences...

.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 20, 2014
8:42 AM

Post #9793781

Ok, here's what got seeded this week:
Asclepias incarnata Pink, Lavatera Silver Cups (3/20), Peppers: Petite Marsille, Bajio, Apache(3/25), Sweet Green, Ancho Poblano (3/25), Sweet Yellow, Calico decorative(3/23), Thai Burpa(3/24), Mehmet's Tukish; Ocinum basilicum Sweet Basil (3/21), O. b. Genovese (3/21); Broccoli (3/19); Brussel Sprouts (3/20); Celosia Pink Flamingo Feather (3/21); Clarkia Salmon (3/20); Orlaya grandiflora; Centaurea Imperialis (3/22) Sweet Sulotan; Felicia True Blue Daisy (3/21); Viscaria occulata (3/19); Godetia Dwf Scarlet Clarkia (3/20); Basil cinnamon (3/21); Zaluzianskya capensis (3/23); Nemisia cheiranthus Shooting Stars (3/22); Nemesia Mellow Red and White (3/22); Osteospurmum ecklois (3/22); Didicus caeruleus. Look at the date in ( ), some are quick to sprout..like that!! Later all...Kathy

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 20, 2014
1:19 PM

Post #9793963

Kathy it seems you keep nice and Busy with the seeds , fun it is ...
I thought I would ask since you did not have the Yellow , and yes,, out west I have seen them everywhere sometimes ,,
Soo I guess that is a Yuck to Yucca , lol ^_^

I set this gizmo over a tire , I am going to warm it up for watermelons , soil temperature dropped from 66 yesterday to 56 today ? UH ? Wrong way inside a solar cooker frame ,,lol
Well it will still be a while I guess ...


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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 20, 2014
3:15 PM

Post #9794043

Ju, clever idea. But how could the temp inside drop?! The nerve!

Kathy, I also use annuals to fill in an area while waiting for perennials to mature. It makes a big difference, not just because there are fewer empty spaces. For me, I t's a way of seeing if the design works as well as it did in my imagination-- or maybe it's a big oops, and everything gets moved yet again in the fall, lol.

I do feel that the overall design has improved tremendously, especially in the last couple of years ,as my inventory of varieties and the number of plants of each has increased. So funny, though, the first border, the one I've been struggling with for 7 years so far, is still too much of a hodge podge as far as I'm concerned. Sigh...

But I really have nothing to complain about. The process is the most interesting and fun, and every year I learn more and get farther ahead :-)

Lupine #9 is picking up its head out of the dirt, and many of the annual Salvias are beginning to show. I just love annuals, they're so predictable!

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 20, 2014
5:57 PM

Post #9794177

I have a lot of zinnias sprouting today. And basils.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 20, 2014
6:21 PM

Post #9794200

Juhur...are you starting your watermelons already???? Yikes, my last frost for z6a is not til May!!! Will you be covering them and aren't you worried about snow yet?

Celene...what's your zone? Was wondering if too early on Zinnias...mine have never done all that great in pots...I usually direct sow.

Robin, so what's sprouting for you? anything new for ou this year... Still haven't tried that winter sowing in jugs yet...who knows maybe next year...

Ya, ya, Pam...sure... almost done filling the borders, huh...lol. Why is it I don't believe you...lol!!!!! Too many nifty plants (seeds) out there yet to try... And besides, we have to keep trading things... Ok, later all...Kathy

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 20, 2014
6:37 PM

Post #9794215

I'm in Z6a. You need to give them decent size pots, so I'll have about three flats of smallish pots by mid-May.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 20, 2014
6:39 PM

Post #9794216

Kathy I have not even started Tomato seeds yet . Probably be May for the Watermelons if I direct sow . They seem to do a little better sown out in the Garden ...
Only trying to warm the Soil . When it gets up to 70 degrees and stays there a while I will sow the Watermelons .
Asters are Growing near that , they are getting big since sprouting the other day , (wild)
My zinnia a little stringy , only a few for early start .. marigolds , peppers , doing okay , only not what I would call an overwhelming success so far .
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 20, 2014
6:47 PM

Post #9794221

You're right, lol... As usual I have 3 times the plants I need for some spots... I'll need a shoehorn to get them all in. Even so, I'm sure there will be some big holes. Somehow I always need more even if I don't think so now.

I have teeny tiny bits of green coming up in all the annuals- Snaps, Petunias, Salvias, Torenias. Yay!

The coolest is the Petunias. Last fall I collected seeds from the Easy Waves and, to be on the safe side, bought pelleted seeds from Swallowtail as well. And they're all coming up at the same time! Tomorrow I'll open the cover part way, and take it off on Saturday.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 20, 2014
7:26 PM

Post #9794253

Here's seedlings today ;
Their growing ^_^

Oops first pic is wrong fuzzy pic of zinnia seedling , sorry about that ..

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 20, 2014
8:19 PM

Post #9794278

Looks great!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 20, 2014
8:55 PM

Post #9794297

Somebody so very kindly put Mongolian Giant Sunflower seeds in the robin, somebody else, very kindly gave me some Italian White and Cinnamon Sun Sunflower seeds...all were sown 03/15 in flats with a dome and set on top of my fridge (which isn't really warm. warm air comes out of the back and wafts about the seed tray though). Two days ago the Mongolians sprouted and I excitedly begged a grow light from my husband...he even cleaned it up for me! 4 out of 4...yahoo!

This morning I have 1 Italian out of 4 (I went real big and planted 4 of each) 4 out of 4 Ukrainian Purple and 1 Italian Heirloom Tomatoes. Still waiting on some Tomatoes and Peppers...it's torture.

I had to uncover them and put them under the lights in the basement before they got leggy and/or damped off. Now I'm worried the reign of sprouting is over because of the cooler temps downstairs. What a roller-coaster ride. Who knew I could be a new parent all over again. I'm stressed.

I've also tried to impart the very important measure of using a heat mat to my DH. If I had one of those, I think all would be well. What was I thinking, starting a new family without being properly prepared. Heck, I don't even have any fish emulsion. I think I'm gonna starve next year.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 21, 2014
5:46 AM

Post #9794455

I had the Italian White and Cinnamon Sun seeds... Sounds like they're not doing too well- sorry! I had great plans for them, then changed my mind. I hope they're not too old, 2011 I think?

Maybe it would be worth trying a few more seeds in case germination % is low? And for sun lovers, I think heat really helps get them going, light isn't so important as long as there's at least some. Once they're up they don't mind if it's cooler but really need the best light you can give them. I try to keep seed types in separate containers so I can move the ones that are ready, and leave the laggards until they do something.

I've been doing the Deno method and resting the baggies (only for tropicals and other heat lovers) on top of the light fixture so they get the warmth from the bulb.

Sounds like everything else is doing great! Congrats!

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 21, 2014
6:02 AM

Post #9794467

I am not a huge sunflower fan, but I saw a cultivar, Strawberry Blonde, I'm growing this year.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2014
8:41 AM

Post #9794571

Yes you are the 'one' Pam. They are a huge gift. The seeds are not 'old' and don't you dare be sorry (take that apology back). It's something I did wrong...and I bet I planted them upside down (pointed end up). I'm going to Deno some. At least with Deno I can tell which end is up, I hope.

Great advice for resting on top of the fixture for heat. I also really like your setup, using lots of natural light too. Yes, I so learned about planting different varieties in separate containers.

Strawberry Blonde sounds cool too Celene. I grow them...well, the birds usually plant them for food and when I saw the newer varieties, that really got me going. I can't wait to see them in bloom!
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

March 21, 2014
12:16 PM

Post #9794726

[quote="Pfg"]The coolest is the Petunias. Last fall I collected seeds from the Easy Waves and, to be on the safe side, bought pelleted seeds from Swallowtail as well. And they're all coming up at the same time! Tomorrow I'll open the cover part way, and take it off on Saturday.[/quote]

Oh, I am so way behind on petunias. Pam, when did you start yours?

However, I do have several tomatoes and peppers going now, and tomatillos.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2014
1:47 PM

Post #9794796

Evelyn, how long did it take for your peppers to come up?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 21, 2014
2:28 PM

Post #9794830

I just started the Petunias, annual Salvias, Torenias and Snapdragons on March 17, 4 days ago. I'm so surprised to see them all up so fast.

I finally got the tomatoes started this morning, clustered in a 4" pot. I didn't have time to fuss, but they actually like being moved as they grow and this was,quick and easy.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

March 21, 2014
3:29 PM

Post #9794866

[quote="Mipii"]Evelyn, how long did it take for your peppers to come up?[/quote]

Robin, They take a while. I will have to get back to you on this. (Also eggplant)

I had to get papers ready for our tax accountant today, so I was MIA in planting and painting pots. It was rather cold and windy outside anyway. I would rather be playing, but wanted to let you know I am still in the loop...kind of...well...maybe not.

I will make a list to post when I get the chance. My lupines and beets that I put outside in cell packs have come up. The things on the heat mat got too hot, so those seedlings are gone (3 heatmats)!!! (GRRR!!)

Some of the tomatoes are in the basement under lights, and some are on the back porch.

Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2014
8:21 PM

Post #9795051

Thanks Ev, so sorry to hear about the 3 mat catastrophe...bummer.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2014
9:52 PM

Post #9795094

WWK; Kathy Back to your question , April 15 , AVG frost free date here ..
Almost made it to 78 degrees under my mini cold frame today .. Won't be long ..

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 21, 2014
9:58 PM

Post #9795097

I have a heat mat around here somewhere and still have never used it...LOL. where is that thing?
I have such good luck that I've never used it...I'm guessing I've started more than 10,000 seedlings (over the years) without one so I guess there's no reason to think I need to now...

I keep showing you all how "I" do it..lol!!!!! Just lights and pots and potting soil I make... I know...shut up! LOL... But if I have time this coming fall I might try the milk jug thing for winter sowing on those things that need stratifying. (I forget things that I put in the freezer or fridge most of the time...)

Talked with a few of the gals at Garden Club and told them I might be offering some of my goodies for sale ths year, they've been begging for years. Of course they would rather have me donate them for the plant sale but I've done enough of that over the years... then they only pay about .25-.50 (cents each) and that money goes into the treasury for the club... Still dosn't help pay the electric bill... So I still have a few months to decide...but need to get to potting on PDQ if I decide to... I know a few of the gals here do this, I just haven't been brave enough to jump in...lol.
Keep wondering if it's really worth it or would I only sell a hundred $$ worth... Then I'm not sure it would be worth my time...Dilema... Comments...suggestions?

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 21, 2014
10:05 PM

Post #9795099

Wow, April 15, must be nice!! I know the grass is greener...lol.

Just heard the weather report... they were saying how one of the ski resorts has already reported 26 feet of snow this year so far with another 2 months to g (some resorts have had more than that )Could you imagine...I'ld love to have even half that amount down here... Am lucky to get 50 inches in a season...
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 21, 2014
11:04 PM

Post #9795117

Kathy, I'll purchase your heat mat from you. Do you have paypal...easy peazy. Ask a fair price and you're off to the races editing all the things you don't find useful...more room to put up seedlings.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 22, 2014
4:00 AM

Post #9795164

My take on heat mats: I used to start seeds on the east end of Long Island, NY, now Zone 7, in a house that got bright sun all day. I only did annuals and a few vegetables in those days, and
never used heat or lights. Then I came to CT, to a dark house and a much colder zone. The first year was a disaster- weak, spindly seedlings and mucho damping off. Yuck!

In both cases, I was a weekend gardener, and house temps were set at 50 while I was gone. I also have always used self-watering systems because I'm not there to monitor for several days at a time, which means everything is always a little wet. In NY the sun heated things up enough during the day to prevent problems. There was a little leaning of seedlings, easily remedied by rotating the flats when I was there, and a cold frame to harden things off in.

In CT, every gardener I met told of using electric blankets, portable heaters, etc. But I didn't like leaving something on all week that wasn't made to be used that way. So I got heat mats and lights, which made all the difference. The mats are on when we're not there and the house is cold, and the lights are on timers. No more damp off.

In the apartment in NYC, my only available spot is a window that gets very little direct sun, and can be very cold when temps dip in the dead of winter, but heats up fast otherwise. I worried that my babies would freeze without a mat, but get cooked during a thaw with one. For a while I tried to manually adjust to the weather, but finally I got a thermostat. Voila, no more problem. I keep the sensor inside the propagator under the dome, and the mat only goes on when needed.

I do think the heat helps speed germination in many cases (not including certain perennials), and the quicker that happens the less likely the seeds are to rot.

But I also think that a lot depends on our own specific conditions and habits, just like gardening outside. I try new methods every year, and some work for me, some don't. For me, trial and error have been the best teachers.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
8:10 AM

Post #9795309

I have a dark house too, lot's of windows but the orientation doesn't gel with the design. Even growing shade loving indoor plants is a challenge. Thanks for sharing your trial, errors and successes Pam.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 22, 2014
8:59 AM

Post #9795351

Robin...lol...I'm not even sure when or where I saw it last...Would definately be quicker to buy one at the store or even online...and it's more than 15 years old...not even sure it works properly...Lol...sooo many things to do..

Just a note...I'm still updating the germination dates for things that I'm starting, listed above (3/20 842am). Five days on my Peppers and nothing yet...
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
9:13 AM

Post #9795361

Thanks for considering it anyway Kathy, I'll purchase a heat mat. I'll start to worry about my pepper germination when yours come up and mine don't, I appreciate the update!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
10:40 AM

Post #9795421

I planted peppers March5 About the 12 th the first came up ,
Some aren't sprouted , However a white belle planted the same day , sprouted (white arch ) last night , no leaves yet , They are slow at the arch to leaf ..
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
10:59 AM

Post #9795430

Thanks Juhur...good info!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
11:12 AM

Post #9795439

Mipii About 9 days is what is about right for peppers to sprout , Only to say I have had them take months to sprout , Some stragglers appear in June or July from Feb or March planting ,
I am glad they grow only " I hate that when that happens" lol

Their unpredictable ,, seems to be a "Lot of those" lol grrr
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
12:47 PM

Post #9795499

Wow, I'd say unpredictable. I second that grrr.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 22, 2014
3:33 PM

Post #9795570

Heat mats made me really successful with tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, and tropicals.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 22, 2014
4:33 PM

Post #9795609

Yeah, they like it toasty :-)
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
5:31 PM

Post #9795656

I found a good deal on a heat mat from Greenhouse Megastore ($20.85), with great reviews but, the shipping is exorbitant...I'm gonna keep looking.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 22, 2014
5:50 PM

Post #9795667

I got mine from Amazon.com, and the local garden store at the end of the season, marked down from $69 to $15. I bought four of them.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
6:03 PM

Post #9795681

I use to use an aquarium heater sealed in a hot water bottle , because they were laying around , About the same cost if purchased anymore ,
Depending on how solid it is or how cold , a storage container filled with water with a submersible Aquarium heater .
A long thin cake pan or muffin pan , you know with a hole cut in the top for the plug and waterproof tape over the cord hole .
Takes a while to warm up . I get silly with "Do it Yourself ideas " lol

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Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 22, 2014
6:07 PM

Post #9795683

Didn't I see something here about Christmas lights and cat litter with a flat set on top?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
6:14 PM

Post #9795690

I don't have the link , Greenhouse forum or something , That is still there , the lights for heating mats .
Somewhere around this site are a bunch of talks about Rope lights for heating , I can't find them ? Where 'd those go . ,



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blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

March 22, 2014
7:03 PM

Post #9795719

I used the top of the fridge or tv for warmth. Works just as good. That way I get more for my electric payments.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 22, 2014
7:09 PM

Post #9795721

People put Christmas mini lights in cold frames for warmth, I remember reading that. There must be a way to use them to warm up seeding areas too. You wouldn't be able to control the temperature, but depending on the location, maybe that would be okay.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 22, 2014
7:47 PM

Post #9795759

Inventive people! The seedling heating mat I was looking at didn't have a temperature control...do I need to add one?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 22, 2014
8:14 PM

Post #9795779

I don't use a thermostat at the house, because The mat is off when we're there and the heat is up, and when we're not there it's cold enough that the mat won't overheat the area.

But in the city, controlling the amount of heat is much trickier, so I use one. Also, I do most of my propagating in the city, and I like having the control.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 23, 2014
1:53 PM

Post #9796216

warriorswisdomkathy wrote:
It's soo rewarding seeing little babies sprouting, the hard part is having to wait another season to see bloom on many of the perenns.. It's always a nice suprise to find some that bloom first year. I now try to fill in with annuals around the newer perenns, so that means growing extras. At least there's something to look at the first season other than a stick.

.

That is a great idea, I have lots of newly started perennials and am so gonna do this to fill in the blanks!

Also hope to see how your Orlaya Grandiflora seeds do.. I have one sprout in the jugs I wintersowed them in, but it's off to the edge and not sure if maybe another seed spilled in or maybe a weed from the mix? Idk. I took pics from inside the holes of my jugs but I was lazy and didn't take the top off to investigate this one. Time will tell. See it? One of the nurse leaves is peeking out toward the top left of the shot.

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 23, 2014
2:02 PM

Post #9796225

Pam, I just noticed you have foil as a shielding between the bottom shelf light and the shelf it hangs from. What's the purpose? I bought an emergency Mylar blanket from walmart and taped it to the wall behind my shelves. It does a great job of reflecting the light and I no longer need to turn on the light to use my laundry room.. it's lit all day! Your foil seems to be shielding the warmth from the light fixture though, right?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2014
2:07 PM

Post #9796227

Not a super pretty or difficult , a variegated Catgrass , aveena sativa , planted Friday night , Up and growing Sunday morning .
Front center , still tiny .. Saying Hi There ! lol ^_^

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 23, 2014
2:10 PM

Post #9796230

[quote="Mipii"]I had to uncover them and put them under the lights in the basement before they got leggy and/or damped off. Now I'm worried the reign of sprouting is over because of the cooler temps downstairs. What a roller-coaster ride. Who knew I could be a new parent all over again.[/quote]

You took the words right outta my mouth! Seed starting is not for the faint of heart. Or back. Lol
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2014
2:24 PM

Post #9796243

Lol...the second hardest job you'll ever love Becky! There's a seedling frenzy going on here, how's that for TLC paybacks?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 23, 2014
2:41 PM

Post #9796260

I spent the morning making a mess in the kitchen. I'm nearly out of room, so I used 3oz cups to cluster sow a few more things- Ceratotheca Triloba, Ammi majus Rubra, Lobelias White Cascade and Riviera Splash.

The Lobelias I sowed heavily in 4 cups each. Once they come up, I'll put them in cells in smaller clusters. I'm really tired of seeding multiple cellpacks and ending up with some blanks. This way I'll have more control- at least that's the plan. And once we open the house next week, I'll have more room again. Can't wait!!!

Scabiosa Scarlet Sundae, Stachys macrantha have been doing nothing in Deno, so now they're planted in cups next to an open window. I added Agastache Golden Jubilee, which has been under the dome for a while, and Verbena Bonariensis, there too.

All the annuals- Petunia Easy Wave, Salvias Coral Nymph and Fairy Queen, Snaps Royal Bride- are doing well, and the last of the snaps, Bell's White, showed itself yesterday. The only holdout is Salvia Indigo Spires, which is a hybrid and may be sterile. But I'll give it a little more time.

The Red (?) Lupines are up to 10, 6 with red stems, 4 green. No signs of life from the rest of the seeds, and I have enough plants now, so out they went.

Datura Metel la Fleur germinated very well in Deno after a soak, and about 15 are now planted. Thanks, Susie! So far, nothing happening with the fragrant white. I have more batches of those from different places, so I'll try again if they don't start soon.

The first batch of Lupines, my one and only Asclepias incarnata Rosa and the Alceas are huuuuge! I can't wait to get them out of here! The Asclepias tuberosa, Linum Saphyr Blue, Digitalis Pam's Choice will also be glad to go into a cooler environment, they need to toughen up now. If I can, I'll get the Campanulas out too. Then I'll be able to pot up the annuals that will need room badly by then.

In Pic 4, the 2 'empty' pots have EE Hilo Beauty in them, just planted today. I've never gotten them dry before, usually buy them already planted. But these were a great price, so worth a try...

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 23, 2014
2:57 PM

Post #9796277

Wow, you've all been busy-- I started writing the above when WWK was the last post!

Becky, the lights with the foil over them are T5 but not the high output, and didn't come with reflectors. There are four of them hooked together under there, to make the same amount of light as one of the others.They were my first lights here in NY, bought at HD because it was the only place I could find that had anything at all. NYC isn't a great place to find good seed starting supplies, lol, even at HD the choices are very, very limited. I rigged up the foil at the time and haven't gotten around to changing it. I think Mylar is much better. The rest of my lights are Hydrofarm T5's, most bought from Amazon.

Many people are perfectly happy with shop lights, but I really wanted the most light I could get, after a season or two of the elongated spindly plants you get in a dark house. Maybe Mylar would have made the difference? But anyway, I have them now.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2014
3:37 PM

Post #9796298

I'm very fond of those kinds of messes, there's not much else as promising in the world as a mess like that. Your babies are huge, you've done run out of headroom. Geesh, I'm getting spring fever...
Nedd
Westminster, CA

March 23, 2014
6:40 PM

Post #9796413

Hi, I'm new here, I'm on read-only mode for awhile and now I'm excited to have something to share with everybody. Recently I'd like to grow some herbs and flowers, but I'm living in tropic subtropic country I'm not sure can it grow. After I sowed, my super hyper dog made the tray fall all over, then now I don't know which sprout names. Is it weed? Is it herb? I don't know. I can only tell #4 is sage. I'd appreciate if somebody could recognize some plant names. Thanks.

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2014
7:02 PM

Post #9796423

# 3 is a Tomato (looks like) #5 looks like some of my Burdocks . only many flowers look like that .
I did not realize Sage looked that much like Borage does either
Learn things here all the time ..
Nedd Welcome to the conversation !!!^_^

Canadates for #5 could include Four-o-Clocks , Amaranth , Green Basil , and Pokeweed . Comfrey seeding might also look like that , If any those seem familiar , watch a day or two .. like your not going too anyway ,, lol ^_^

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 23, 2014
8:05 PM

Post #9796454

I agree. In a few days it will be much easier to tell what's what. How upsetting that your dog turned it all over!

Something similar happened to me a couple of years ago, but I didn't have a dog to blame, just myself. I had a small shelving unit on a windowsill. It was completely packed with seedlings-- overloaded, actually- and it fell over. DH was sitting having coffee, and it fell across the table and onto the floor. What a mess!!! It's funny now, but it was horrifying at the time, lol.

But your little ones look perfectly healthy, and I'm sure they'll become recognizable soon!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 23, 2014
8:18 PM

Post #9796466

I have a companion friend like that also , as before ; My companion really loves playing Pooping on the Poppies , Digging in the Zinnia , Tearing up the Tomatoes , and a favorite of course "Green Pillows to lay on in the Garden Beds"

Of course some of it is my fault for not making the pets learn to garden , but, then again, I am not so sure I ever did Either !!! lol ^_^
Nedd
Westminster, CA

March 23, 2014
9:31 PM

Post #9796536

Thanks guys, I'll water it carefully and waiting for more real leaves.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 24, 2014
5:12 AM

Post #9796644

Mipii, it (seed starting) is right up there with bringing home a newborn baby and fearing for its safety.. Lots of 'what if' type scenarios stressing me out! And I agree about the making a mess comment.. The dirt and water messes are good for the soul :)

Pam, that was some clever ingenuity to rig those lights up. I think I may swap out my inexpensive grow lights for some higher output lights next year, if I can afford it. Are you happy with the hydrofarm T5s? I hear you on Home Depot having few options. Most of my roadblocks have been due to lack of availability of certain items. Either that, or experimenting with freebies. Anywho, I trust your opinion, your plant pics are a testimony to your skill. They look fab!

Nedd, I agree w Juhur, #3 does indeed look like a tomato. Hope your pup doesn't try anything funny again! My MIL has a chihuahua, and he has a tendency to hop up into my raised beds. Well this year I have a super soaker water gun waiting inside my window, and if I see him jump in the one bed closest to my house, he is getting a shower!! Cute he is, but he needs to learn and she is not doing anything about it so I will.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 24, 2014
5:27 AM

Post #9796664

Pam I hope you were able to save some of the seedlings from your oil spill, oops, soil spill LOL, I only laugh since you say this happened in the past. I'm sure it was heartbreaking at the time.

Juhur, said chihuahua would love to play those games with your little friend! You crack me up!

Nedd, hope to see what your mystery seedlings turn out to be. I have a jug of mixed perennials coming up, I need to figure out what they are soon, thanks for reminding me!

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 24, 2014
5:48 AM

Post #9796680

My garden helper's favorite game: Liberate plants from the constrains of their pots and take them for a walk (or a chew) around the yard. Pooping on the poppies cracked me up, my pit bull likes to hide, so I have to crawl behind some giant grass or shrub to poop scoop.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 24, 2014
6:13 AM

Post #9796700

Yes, I'm very happy with my Hydrofarm lights! I started slowly. First I got the HD's, for my first set of shelves which was smaller, then ordered a 2' Hydrofarm. (Pic1)

That's the unit that fell over :-(.

In 2012, I re-thought, and set up shelves all the way across the opening. I used the lights I had, but it wasn't enough to keep the plants from stretching. (Pics 2, 3)

Last year, I decided not to care that the 4' fixtures are a little too long, by then DH was so happy with what was happening in the garden he didn't object to the intrusion. For my birthday, I asked for two long T5's, (I did the research, and found the best price at Amazon), and I rigged up the HD ones into 1 unit. For the bottom shelf, I got a 2' light with 2 bulbs. That was disappointing. The fixture is very heavy, and the design of the reflector prevents light from spilling out at the ends, so much of the sill was too dark. (Pic 4)

This year, one more long light, and I'm happy. The top shelf gets 2, for the real sun lovers. It's made a huge difference in how they grow- no more long skinny seedlings. They fill out properly, the way they would in the garden. The next shelf down is for sun/shade plants- lots of Campanulas this year, some Digitalis- and slower, lower growers, like Linum. The Platys are there this year too, for now, because the top is full. Next week when the tall plants move out, they'll go up. And the bottom shelf has the HD lights, which are just fine there. I use it for newbies, so I can keep an eye on them. I inspect every morning while I'm eating breakfast. :-)

And this is what it's all for :-). (Pic 5).

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 24, 2014
6:14 AM

Post #9796702

Cross post... I did save most of them, but you can see why that system didn't last!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 24, 2014
8:14 AM

Post #9796829

Aha! Well the hydrofarm lights are going in my wishlist! Your garden pic is AMAZING! I zoomed in as much as I could before it turned into a pixelated blur! LOL
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2014
9:17 AM

Post #9796920

Wow, I'm with Becky...Pam, that's friggin BEAUTIFUL! Good job!

LOL on the garden companion comments...I miss my dogs...sigh.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 24, 2014
10:13 AM

Post #9796976

Welcome Nedd.. Yup give your babies a bit more time...second set of leaves are the true leaves of the plant... First set will drop off eventually, second set will be easier to determine what the plant is. You'll have to list also what you started to make it easier on us experts (lol...experts).

Am keeping up with germination dates above (or trying if the info is needed). So pam you've already started your Verbena b.? Gosh I always goof up and forget that one...better put it on my list of things to start this next round. I'm thinking I have the Salvia Indigo Spires but wanted more so I need to reseed that one also (will look today and see how many babies I have). And a big WOW. You're plants are BIG...looking good! I didn't start things as early as I did last year and haven't left the lights on as long. Gosh..it does make a difference.. I guess that's what I get for goofing around.

Ok, Pam has put me to shame...I should go and take care of my babies now...lol.

Love how chatty the group has gotten, keep it up. Lol.

Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 24, 2014
11:19 AM

Post #9797015

I started the V Bonariensis now because it's always been really slow to germinate for me. One year I spring sowed it and it did well, but last year I got nothing better than was already coming up on its own in the garden. I always get some volunteers, but like to have at least few plants that are farther along.

Haha, yes, some of my babies are ginormous! I wonder if the Seaweed Maxicrop made that much of a difference? Last year my giants were the Salvia Turkestanica and Ceratotheca, maybe it's the extra light?

The Salvia Indigo Spires is the one I thought was S Victoria when I bought it, then it got really tall and bushy. Gorgeous. It is an annual, zone 7 I think, and a hybrid. So either the seed is sterile, or if it does germinate it may not resemble the parent plant.

My maybe A Maggie Mae turns out to be either Linum or Asclepias tuberosa. :-(. But now there's another speck of green in that cellpack, which might still be it. Or something else, lol.

Yes, you all, keep up the chat, it's great! And everyone sharing their experiences is amazing, I learn more all the time, we all do.

I have cabin fever for sure... I keep studying my pics, looking for ways to improve the garden. Here are a couple more from last year.

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2014
1:02 PM

Post #9797083

Yes indeed Pfg , One or should I several pretties as a Garden there !!!^_^

Mipii; #1 The little white Bell pepper that sat arched for days The larger fuzzy little thing , the smaller still around it are probably purslane ,
#2 Planted at the same time , A not so red leaved Black pearl pepper (these take a lot of heat in sun to turn red leaved , they usually do mid summer here .
I guess 10 to 40 days . that kind of thing ? I'm still trying to figure out an average Germination rate .

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2014
9:33 PM

Post #9797486

Going on 9 days for me Juhur and I still don't even have arches. I've ordered a heat mat and will have to try again. There's a big difference between your two varieties, interesting. Thanks for sharing.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 24, 2014
9:40 PM

Post #9797491

With Cayenne and Habenero ? I still have zilch .. 0 ... myself .. older pepper seeds are not fun .. Temperature is 80 - 84 degrees where their at ,,
Maybe I should try a heat lamp for 90 ? lol

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 25, 2014
8:02 AM

Post #9797705

Pam what is the plant in pic 3 with the chartreuse foliage and pink flowers? And the yellow spike one in pic 4? Beautiful! Juhur, I hear you in the sloooow peppers.. my fish pepper seedlings are still wimpy looking, peperone de cuneo are catching up quick! I can't wait to start the black pearl seeds you put in the robin!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2014
8:17 AM

Post #9797722

Just having fun guessing:
Pic #3- Spirea Walbuma
Pic #4- Baptisia tinctoria

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 25, 2014
8:58 AM

Post #9797750

Robin I second your spirea and baptisia. Maybe different varieties though. I love a good guessing game so I'll say

Spirea japonica 'goldmound' and
Baptisia 'Carolina moonlight'

Either way their gorgeous :)

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 25, 2014
9:30 AM

Post #9797763

I have a Baobab, Jatropha and a couple of aloes sprouting today. They're hefty sprouts.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2014
10:07 AM

Post #9797777

You grow Celene!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 25, 2014
11:26 AM

Post #9797824

Celene, aren't they little fatties, the jatropha? Mine are so cute, stocky little fellas :)

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 25, 2014
1:30 PM

Post #9797901

My guess is Thermopsis montana on #4, but could be the Baptisia…lol.

Got a few peppers that are starting to sprout, tho can't remember which is which at the moment….
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2014
2:47 PM

Post #9797942

Is that 8 days for you Kathy on the peppers?

Juhur, do you eat the Black Pearl Peppers?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 25, 2014
3:00 PM

Post #9797950

I've tasted one , their grown as ornamental , edible yes , I'm no judge of peppers ..The seeds I planted 1 sprout of 6 or 8 seeds not real good germination there ,,
A more direct answer would be not usually ..
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 25, 2014
4:03 PM

Post #9797995

Good guesses, you all...

Pic 3 is Spires Gold Mound and The Fairy Rose,

Pic 4 is Baptisia, but I don't know the cultivar. There are two clumps on the property that have been here since before 1970. Both were buried by weeds, until one June day I looked out the window and saw that gorgeous flash of yellow. There is still a huge magenta phlox right in the middle of the clump. I hate to pull it out and damage the Baptisia roots., but I've been keeping the rest clear and it is slowly expanding. This fall I added a Bartzella peony nearby. I hope they bloom at the same time, or at least overlap. Once they get going, I'll have a better idea how to add to that area.

deejay9

deejay9
(susie) Hastings, MI
(Zone 5a)

March 26, 2014
5:31 AM

Post #9798235

ANYONE Have any of these
standing cypress Ruba
Ling Calluna vulgari Darkness'
Elecampagne Inula helenium
Saxifrage'Carnival'
Saxifrage'Monarch'
Encrusted Saxifrage 'Southside Seedling'
Caucasian Comfrey, Beinwell, Blue Comfrey
Russian Comfrey Symphytum x uplandicum
TALL THIMBLEWEED * Anemone virginiana *
FOXGLOVE YELLOW * Digitalis ambigua D.grandiflora

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 26, 2014
5:52 AM

Post #9798241

Pam, lucky you to score pretty plants and not even know it! I'm sure you'll figure out how to arrange that bed soon, you obviously have a good aesthetic!

Susie I have lots and lots of ipomopsis rubra seed! Are you in the spring robin? I put a ton in there, but if not I can send to you directly, just Dmail me your address.

I already posted a pic in the other thread, but I have to post again. My 3 year old learned how to clean the standing cypress seeds and is really good at it!

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Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 26, 2014
9:09 AM

Post #9798370

Wow, I may have to borrow that kiddo in the fall sometime! ;)

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2014
6:45 AM

Post #9798991

Mipii...Peppers have been sprouting. So far 7, 8 and 9 days and have 4 more yet... I updated the sprout times above per variety (origional post of March 20th).. Back later folks...Kathy
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 27, 2014
8:53 AM

Post #9799080

Well, maybe I sowed mine too deep. I'm getting my heat mat today so will try again...thanks Kathy!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 27, 2014
9:06 AM

Post #9799087

Celene, I offer 4 or 24 hour rentals. He also gives great snuggles! ;)

Kathy, are you planning on saving seeds from your peppers this year? I read they have to be 100 feet apart to avoid crossing! Any experience with this? I have 4 different kinds in my garden plan so maybe I should just plan on not saving seeds from their fruits?

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 27, 2014
9:17 AM

Post #9799095

I have more WS jugs sprouted for a total of 25/59. I'd say that's pretty good so far :)

Something I had heard and started doing only recently is sowing the seeds at the same depth of their width. It's working, I think, I have better germination this time around. Could be attributed to something else or a combination of things maybe but I like to think this helps. I have noticed some of the sprouts may emerge with the seed still encasing the sprout leaves but it comes off easily after a few days.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2014
9:31 AM

Post #9799103

I find planting on the shallow side is more successful than too deep. 2 or 3x the size of the seed sounds reasonable. I also like Kathy's trick of covering the seeds lightly with vermiculite instead of soil. It holds moisture better without getting soggy, and is lighter for them to break through. The idea is to let the seedlings use their energy for growing, not use it all up trying to get to the surface.

Some seeds, Datura and Lupine particularly, have a hard time shedding their seed coats. I spray them to soften them, then tease them off gentlywith a toothpick or something like that. One of my favorite tools for this is bamboo skewers. I use them for all sorts of things. I even ue them to plant small seeds one by one. I dampen the tip in a puddle of water, then just touch the seed and it adheres. It's easy then to place in the cell where I want it.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 27, 2014
12:30 PM

Post #9799186

Hey guys (and by that I mean guys and gals) does anyone know if you can transplant sunflower deeper like you can with tomatoes?

I'm going to try Kathy's vermiculite trick too and sow less deep, it makes sense with their limited energy supply. I've used the narrow part of plastic plant labels (moistened) to pick up and place small seeds...didn't even think about getting my chopsticks out of the drawer. Gee, it's so nice to hang out with you guys (and by that I mean...), I learn so much! Thanks all.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2014
2:08 PM

Post #9799241

The bamboo skewers are pointed at the end, and come in packages with lots and lots in them. It takes me a couple of years to go through them all, I re-use them until they get gross or break.

They're also great for transplanting little sprouts that have been cluster sown. I use it to tease the seedlings apart, then push the stick down into the new cell an inch or so and widen the hole a little as I pull it out. Then the little root goes straight down into the hole, guided by the stick. A dribble of water to settle it in, use the stick again to move the soil around the plantt, and it's done.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2014
4:17 PM

Post #9799307

Yup, pam's right, I sow most everything shallow...The only things that go deep are the larger seed... Dust like seed are surface sown, mostly with a touch of vermiculite just to know there's something in the pot...

Sorry...pix are older, most from years ago, but gives you an idea I'm a prolithic seed started...lol. Must be sucessful too as my gardens attest to and those that saw pix from last season.. (Not sure when my puter will be fixed, darn!!! LOL)

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 27, 2014
6:02 PM

Post #9799366

Oh ho Kathy, you're more than prolific...you're a serial seed starter! Nice setup. Good heavens, I'm gonna ask really nicely for some more pics of your shelving...I want to build that (this is me asking nicely, lol).
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2014
7:16 PM

Post #9799410

Kathy gets the blue ribbon as far as I'm concerned, lol...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 27, 2014
7:35 PM

Post #9799419

I think I will show a skewer ,, I was going to post a catgrass seedling .. But after watching here My hopes seem so small indeed , lol
Well at least with the skewer I knew what someone was talking about ... For now , I think I will go sit in my corner and dream ..


Kathy , Really nice goods !!!^_^ oh , my .. BIG ( Sigh )

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 27, 2014
8:08 PM

Post #9799437

Very cute, Ju... And you are no novice! You're rooting all these exotic trees and shrubs and who knows what... Waaaay over my head, lol.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 27, 2014
8:17 PM

Post #9799442

Yeah Juhur, I do a lot of that 'dreamin' stuff too. Heck, I don't even have a skewer...I'm guessing it's a standard tool (everybody in 'the know' has one)? Check, skewers on list.

However, I'd like to see that variegated cat grass seedling!

Pam, it looks to me like Kathy gets the blue, she's also set the bar really high (can't wait til she gets her puter fixed).

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 27, 2014
11:44 PM

Post #9799495

Pfg I appreciate the comments , I am having a little fun waiting for warmer weather , it storming and it woke me up ,
The most exotic plant here is a Diffenbachia , of course I do have five of them including two new cuttings ,
Some of you may remember Kathy (besides you do ) I was humoring with her once about the old
Days of Gurney's at Yankton SD . Kathy was the Gurney's Girl a while back ..
Smile Kathy ^_^ I am spinning a Yarn? We love your seedlings and you being here , You teach more than we , We learn , from reminders and you showing us some very , very nice plant setting ,

Mipii; Dreaming makes many , many things worth while !!! And I know you do some Really nice Gardening and Arranging yourself , I can't arrange plants for anything , Only until someday I will keep trying ,
My best set so far , A Wild Aster , Wild white yarrow , and perennial Fleabane , Not a weed can grow between them ,, ? Because they are weeds !!!LOL
I have an arching Steakhouse Tomato seedling today.
Here's a very pale looking variegated Catgrass Aveena Sativa lol ..

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2014
9:12 AM

Post #9799755

Thanks for the pic Ju, it's still white. I hope you collect seeds from this when it's time. Thanks for your kind words. I'll keep trying until someday too.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 28, 2014
9:20 AM

Post #9799763

LOL pam, how much is the prize money for that blue ribbon...? LOL...(Don't I wish...lol)

Robin...you could go into last years threads on seed germination..(pfg started ).I included pix and directions on how I put my first unit together, including measurements of how to cut wood (lengths). Even built a second unit that was larger than the first) Both were built with 2"x2"'s and 1"x2" x 8ft peices. Both stands were less that $100 each... and will last years.. First one built has lasted more than 12 years atleast... Each shelf can hold 7 full sized trays and has 4 shelves and the floor also. So that is a possibility of 35 full sized 11x22" trays (And depending on what size tray inserts or pots used . I can raise or lower lights as they are on chains that are hooked on the underside of each shelf with cup hooks,(two 48" flouescent light units per shelf). I got the origonal plans from Fine Gardening back in the '80's but can't find their plans online so that's why I redrew and gave instructions for those foolish enough to want to try and build their own...lol... Only joking... Seed starting has become a wonderful winter hobby... My newer stand first build last winter has shelves that are different heights to accomodate taller plants... First stand can hold 1120 plants using 2 1/2" pots and if using 72 trays thats2470 plants...and if I use some of the tray inserts that can hold 144 plants...that's whopping 5,040 plants. Stand now is 61" long X32" wide X 77" tall, (origionally was another shelf taller but had to cut off part of the top to fit into the room it's in now. The second unit I made can hold even more plants as I made it wider...(each shelf can hold up to I think it's 12 trays). So now that my gardens are beginning to get filled I will need to figure out what to do, grow for selling to commercial nurseries or sell at flea market type locations or maybe go back to some of my other winter hobbies...keeping atleast the smaller one up for annuals and veggies. (LOL, shouldn't have asked., only joking... glad to share any info that would help anyone interested)...It's been fun, and keeps me busy and out of trouble...is much cheaper than buying plants ffrom the nurseries although that's fun too but costly... ( I used to buy all my pots but now one of the local nurseries recycles pots and trays so I dumpster dive for them, sure can't beat those kind of prices...) My most prolithic season I remember is having 117 trays of plants... Gosh I need to get to potting things on...lol, wanna help? LOL. Ok, ask if you have any ????s... am hoping to sell some plants to the gals at garden club this year but won't happen unless I get busy with potting...

And now Juhur has me rooting shrubs...lol...might be another new hobby... Ok, I've babbled on long enough...Later all...Kathy

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2014
10:03 AM

Post #9799778

That was more info than I could've possibly imagined to get. THANKS so much Kathy! I'll be building something on a somewhat smaller scale though -- perhaps graduating later. I'm loving my new winter gardening hobby, never thought I could have so much fun in the winter. Good luck, sounds like you've got quite the operation going.

Ha ha, I'm really glad I asked!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 28, 2014
10:05 AM

Post #9799780

I think I may try that next time. The vermiculite trick with seedlings. Was it you Kathy who said it helps prevent damp off? Seems like it would as it's more breathable around the plants stem. I can't imagine growing things on the scale you do, unless it was my sole job, kids off to college, etc. That is, unless my hub gets me that greenhouse this year, then I can play all I want! Lol

Pam I do the same thing to help the sprout shed the seed, spraying and teasing.. I know most of the time they will eventually do it on their own but I am a bit smothering I guess! I really like your ideas with the skewers for sowing and potting up sprouts! Robin is right, I learn more and more from y'all every day!

Ju you are too funny, with all the green things you are raising, you don't have time to sit in the corner and dream.. Get to work! Lol

I'm off, rain has finally stopped, gotta get some housework done while the sun dries up the ground a bit. Garden needs to finish getting tilled..

deejay9

deejay9
(susie) Hastings, MI
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2014
10:35 AM

Post #9799803

Just Dropping by to share a website with ya all My Niece Wanda was here & told me about Her new Hobby & Web site
so thought I would share , if ya have something you would like her to make she can do it & She works way to cheap for the work she dose . hope you will pass the Link to other friends who are into woodworking .

http://www.etsy.com/shop/WandasWoodShop

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 28, 2014
1:10 PM

Post #9799916

Hey there susie!!!! How are things up your way??? Still burry huh.. Did you ever get any seeding done inside yet? We've been waiting to hear from you...Thought about you yesterday and here you are...lol..

Also wanted to ask...how much seed will be left over from the Robin when it's finished? The reason I ask is through my garden club we will be working with a 4H group.. They will be getting alot of seed from me but might there be anything remaining from the robin? I would guess they mostly want veggies, but will ask when I go to my meeting on April 1. I will ask Amanda if you think there might be anything left over... I was thinking she said that there were alot of beans, wasn't it? Anyway...just thought I might ask... How's your budding gardener? LOL, get that 'budding'.How is chicky fairing the winter?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 28, 2014
1:19 PM

Post #9799921

Kathy How is the Rooting going ? Willows going ,growing roots ?
It is only now getting warmer here , With mine about three weeks before I know (I have several I am wondering about ,
I hope this a a good season . for everyone Probably week after next before I get to start most of my seeds .
Winter sow leeks , and Milkweed , Green shoots on onion and Garlic , roots in the earth where the milkweeds seeds are . only roots from the seeds so far , no green shoots on the sprouts from Milkweeds

deejay9

deejay9
(susie) Hastings, MI
(Zone 5a)

March 28, 2014
2:41 PM

Post #9799944

Kathy I Put Many of my seeds out in the cold frame to see how they will do I saved some seeds to plant when weather breaks. Just in case my winter sowing didn't take .
I'm going to do my Tomatos this weekend Bought my soil today .
off to get the critters in ya all have a great eve

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2014
2:54 AM

Post #9800191

I have another White bell pepper ?alba , Today Got 2 out of a dozen seeds so far . from trade .
I have four Black pearl pepper seedlings out of about 16 or 18 seeds of my own ,,That is not satisfying for seed saving to me , (my own seeds ) ,
They grew , and that is good , only that is a lousy germination rate ;
Of course it is going on 25 days and another sprout ,,I am really glad I started them early .. sloooooow little fellows ...
Oh well , I will keep at the Pearl peppers , until I hybridize a nice red leaf ,, (meaning , I might get lucky ) lol
First tomato seedling is up , I can grow a nice tomato plant , but not always a good Tomato ,,
one seed, one plant . I like that .. Someday I might figure out how pro's ? do that ,, After almost 50 years of playing with seeds , I still have not "got it" though ,,
Give myself an :"F" at spying ..lol

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 29, 2014
6:50 AM

Post #9800327

I had crappy germination rates with black pearl pepper seed that I saved, but the purple jigsaw was awesome. I look at the flats and every single seed must have germinated.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 29, 2014
7:42 AM

Post #9800378

Juhur...so far I have roots on the Eastern Crabapple and the Sandbar Willow... The pear is in bloom but all are starting to leaf out nicely... The one you had sent with dirt is outside in my green house and greening up nicely (already potted into a 1 gallon pot.. I want to try and get to potting the rest of them this weekend if I can... Suppose to be calm today so will see what I can get done.

Fingers are crossed for you susie!!! Did you not ever try any in your new table? And is your helper doing her job? LOL...Love those little people...

Still have 4 more varieties of peppers to germinate...we'll see.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 29, 2014
8:34 AM

Post #9800418

All my tomatoes are up, that's no surprise, they're so easy :-) The annual Lobelias and Salvias are up, too. But now I have all these little cups of sprouts to separate and find room for, lol.

Our plans to open the house this weekend are scuttled. The heat is on, but the well is still frozen, so no water. The plumber said on Thursday that the east side of the house was still covered in snow and ice. Even though it's been warmer and raining the last couple of days, it wasn't enough to thaw the pump. :-(

My daughter is coming over tomorrow to take a flat or two, which will help. But I have to get really creative about how to fit all these babies in!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 29, 2014
8:56 AM

Post #9800432

Oh Pam what a great problem to have.. Too many plants, not enough space! You're lucky I'm not there, I'd be bartering bags of potting mix for seedlings! LOL truly though I hope I'm not jinxing myself here and in the same boat myself soon. Pot - kettle - BLACK! :D

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

March 29, 2014
9:11 AM

Post #9800448

I'm def going to have too many tomato plants. lol

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 29, 2014
9:26 AM

Post #9800457

Celene, I already do! I double or triple seeded 117 pots, thinking half of them wouldn't make it, and end up w 50-60. Now I have over 200 individual tomato plants, but they all look like crap. Very puny considering I started them in late January and waited too long to separate them. It's ok, first year lesson learned and I'll still have a few plants for my garden :)
PierreD
Quebec
Canada

March 29, 2014
9:57 AM

Post #9800470

I would like to try seeds for a palm tree named Bismarckia nobilis. Is someone already knows that and can give me comments ? Thanks.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 29, 2014
11:10 AM

Post #9800529

Becky, not to worry on the 'maters... Just pot them up individually. Plant them deep taking off any branches that would end up under the soil... The whole stem will produce roots all the way up to the soil line. So don't throw any away... They will perk up in no time, I promise... As far as them looking punny, don't worry give 'em a good feeding and some extra light. When they do go outside they will grow like crazy. and can again take off branching and plant them deep again or even on their sides...just leave a few branches at the top of the plant sticking out of the soil!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 29, 2014
11:57 AM

Post #9800554

Kathy, you think? I already potted them up individually. It's been 2 weeks since I separated them, I initially watered them in with some superthrive, and then next watering I added MG transplant solution. I feel like such an idiot, they have really been stunted and look like they did a month ago.. I am so embarrassed to post pics of my wimpy tomatoes but here goes =/

The nicer of the transplants went into flats, I wanted 8 of each variety. Any varieties having more than 8 seedlings, I potted them as extras in 18 oz. red solo cups. There were two varieties I only had 4 seedlings of due to limited quantity seeds, Matt's wild cherry & yellow bell.

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 29, 2014
2:21 PM

Post #9800665

Becky...they'll make it... Just givem time. Do you have them under lights? They are just young seedlings so far... Let them grow taller and begin showing more true leaves, say about 4+" then you can repot again but deeper, like I say taking off any that would be under the soil line. I am putting mine into the 2 1/2" wide pots now. The stem goes all the way to the bottom of the pot. (Remember to take off the leaves that would be below soil line). The whole 3 1/2" deep pot will fill with roots. Hope that makes sense to you...lol, it does me...Just teasing a little... I promise they will get strong... Mine are a bit further along than yours. I seeded 10+ seeds per pot to begin with...let them grow on and when they got to aboout 4-6", and several sets of true leaves I began repotting. The white roots are at the very bottom, and actually the green stem is touching the bottom of the pot also... This is one of those plants that can be planted deeply without harming it.

Doesn't anyone else plant their tomatoes deep? Personally have taken a plant out of a gallon container and plucked all the leaves off but say the top 2 or 3 and buried the rest of the plant on it's side but as deep as I can. Looks drastic but grows like crazy...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2014
2:34 PM

Post #9800672

Kathy, I plant them a lot deeper like that . When I plant them outside ,i dig a big old hole and sometimes I end up covering over say 1 to 2 ft of plant a little at a time ,
As said before , often a lot of plant is the result . i don't always get great fruit , But a nice plant increases the odds for that Ever Elusive, "Perfect Tomato" lol (like anyone is ever going to find that Baby!!!^_^ lol

So far I have 1 , that is right 1 little tomato seedling . My broad ripple currants return on their own from self seeding outside ,so later I always (almost) have a few , (lots really)
I am only going to do three or four tomato plants this year ,, That was all my sets really did any good with last year ,as far as growing tomato plants .

I always forget to say something ,, sleepy . I guess .
Kathy . that is great to hear their rooting ,, I hope the Mulberries finally do for you also , those little rascals are mutant here ,, They do everything except sing and walk around .. !


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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 29, 2014
9:55 PM

Post #9800891

Kathy, tomatoes love to be transplanted deep, roots grow from any stem that's below soil level and helps create a strong root system. I was asking earlier if sunflowers can be treated the same way.

Look at all those babies Becky, you'll be feeding the neighborhood or spend the last half of the summer canning. Either way, somebody's gonna be eatin' good. I don't think I could live without tomatoes, they're a staple in my diet.
Nedd
Westminster, CA

March 29, 2014
10:38 PM

Post #9800898

Hi guys,
At the moment, I've got Lavenders (English and Spanish), Rosemary, chives, savories, sage, and tomatoes sprouts and growing. I've just sowed more Lavenders here. It's sunny and I can't keep it in freeze.

Additional, I found the little guy who dug holes in my pots. I keep the pots moist and that's why he stays in my pot. I have to cover the pot to keep kim away my dog. Talking about my dog, she keeps eating the leaves and pukes like crazy. That why tree grows very slowly .
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 30, 2014
6:09 AM

Post #9800987

Becky, I'm chiming in late, but only to agree with everyone else about planting tomatoes deeply. They root all along the buried stem, and more root they have, the stronger the plant. Also, they are the most forgiving of plants. Since they are not completely dead, they are growing and will be just fine, you'll see :-)

My daughter is coming today to take some plants, yippee! Then I have lots of potting up to do...

But first, I have to finish getting taxes ready. I keep track of everything on the computer so it's easy to print out what I need for the accountant. At least that's how it's supposed to be. Somehow this year I am months behind, and don't have all the statements I need. Yikes!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 30, 2014
9:38 AM

Post #9801104

Mipii. not sure if you can do the same with sunflowers... Interesting question...they also have those hairs.all along the stem.. I might plant it a bit deeper than what they sprout at but I usually don't go any deeper than where the first set of seedling leaves emerge... (really it depends on the plant).

"Spose to be 70* today so I might just sit outside and pot a few things up...and then get them to the greenhouse... Need to also get my taters cut into pieces and maybe pot those tomorrow... Still haven't decided where I will be planting the veggies this year.. Better decide soon, huh?! LOL.

Nedd...speaking of lavender, I should look and see if I can get some cuttings for rooting. Would like to have some in the backyard this year. Do you grow the ones with bunny ears? Just love those things but they aren't hardy here. (stoekas, I believe)

Pierre, sorry didn't try to snub you, just can't grow palms here in the mountains...lol.
Shorty_CA
Manhattan Beach, CA
(Zone 10b)

March 30, 2014
9:58 AM

Post #9801122

Nedd I have the same problem with holes in my pots. My house has an invisible sign on it that says all stray cats welcome here. For some reason the latest set of kittens love to dig in all of my flower pots.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 30, 2014
9:59 AM

Post #9801126

I did have them under lights but after I repotted (luckily I had enough sense to bury them right up to their chinny chin chins), I started running out of shelf space so I have acclimated these ones to my porch which gets great afternoon sun and they seem to be responding well. I will transplant them into their in-ground home in the next few weeks and hope they like it and take off! Yes I'm happy they're alive, but I'm already behind on my goal, which was to have them in ground a few weeks ago and hope for an early crop since they don't fruit well in our HOT summers. Doubt I'll find that "perfect tomato" this year either , Juhur ;)

Kathy would you recommend doing the same with all other vines? Say I rooted a cutting from a vine, should I plant it as deeply as possible leaving the topmost 2 or so inches above ground and burying the rest? I ask since *usually* I can get cuttings to root, but once I pot it, the roots roots stay puny without much growth. If you are just starting to get into propagating cuttings, I can't imagine how your garden will progress.. It's already gorgeous, you'll be bursting at the seams now!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 30, 2014
10:13 AM

Post #9801135

Robin, I found a thread on gardenweb where the same question arose, about transplanting leggy sunflowers deeply. Sounds like they have success with it, so I would try a few and see how they do compared to their peers.

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/seed/msg0310201812154.html?14

Pierre, I found this forum where they are discussing various techniques for germinating the Bismarckia nobilis. Someone posted a pic of their seedlings in homemade 4-pack pots made with 18 " lengths of drainpipe and electrical tape. Im so gonna try that for winter sowing in larger plastic tubs. But for germinating your seed, here's the link.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/13823-bismarckia-nobilis-seeds/

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

March 30, 2014
10:27 AM

Post #9801140

Pam good luck on your taxes, and boy I wish my mom grew plants and wanted me to take them away! Lol she's a lucky girl!

Ahh Kathy you just reminded me I was supposed to start sweet potato slips weeks ago! Dangit!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 30, 2014
12:48 PM

Post #9801229

Thanks Kathy and Becky, the gardenweb link talks of squirrels chomping sunflower seedlings...I'll wait for as long as possible before I put them outside. I had a bunny problem defoliating my tomatoes last year, just got to outsmart the critters. They usually win the first couple of rounds.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 30, 2014
4:13 PM

Post #9801362

I have poppy seedlings , to small for me to pic , I tried , no luck .
This , Under there is about four sprouts , The joke from my paper towel roll cubes and bottle covers .

The second pic is real fuzzy , a failed attempt , But if you have the eyes for it , there is a little green sprout right in the middle of the pic

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 30, 2014
4:23 PM

Post #9801369

My ex baked chicken sprouter .
This works really good ,! Seeds that fell on the bottom of the container , are also sprouted
Anything I put in these sprouts ..
well anyway the poppies are sprouting !^_^ I'm good with that

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Nedd
Westminster, CA

March 30, 2014
6:41 PM

Post #9801480

Kathy: yes, I'm growing bunny ear lavender (Spanish) which I bought with white lavender seeds; but the white one was destroyed last night. There's only one small white lavender sprout was broken in half :(

Anyway, here is a picture of my seeds until now.

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 30, 2014
7:31 PM

Post #9801542

Well I see I am not the only one who likes looking at things (about anything) as a container for seed starting .

My Baked Chicken got raised 5 Chinese Noodles !!!^_^ lol Well four anyway .
Nice seedlings Nedd


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blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

March 30, 2014
9:35 PM

Post #9801595

Yes, tomatoes can be and should, be planted as deeply as possible since they root along the stem. It produces a more sturdy plant, but best of all they need less watering since they roots are deep. An important point for us who live where nature is cheap with moisture.

To know which plants can be planted in the same way, a rule of thumb is if a plant roots along he stem, then it can be planted deeper. If a plant does not, and is planted deep then the danger of stem rot lurks.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

March 31, 2014
1:41 PM

Post #9802105

One vine that I can think of that can handle the deep planting is a Clematis for sure. I dig a hole as deep as possible and take off any foliage that would be underground. That way if the top were to happen to get damaged there are still another set (or more of buds) that can sprout. Also you will get two stems instead of one ) actually would be 3 duh! Main stem and 2 on the side of the main stem lol). As soon as they peak above ground you can give them a pinch making them bush out even more (at a node of course)…. Will have to think of any others………. And blomma is right most would rot so have to be careful about deciding which to plant deep.

Blomma…lol, nature is cheap with moisture….boy ain't that the truth sometimes…. I've heard one of the weather forecasters already calling for a El Nino year….fingers are crossed… Boy oh boy wouldn't that be wonderful!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

March 31, 2014
6:59 PM

Post #9802287

We had a monsoon over the weekend, lol. I would have been happy to share it with anyone who wanted it...

Besides tomatoes and clematis, I can't think of any plants that like to be planted deeply, but I'm sure there must be more. I know to keep burying squash stems as they grow and vine out, they'll keep rooting. Hmmm...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2014
8:01 PM

Post #9802327

Pfg ; I don't know many either '
Would it be okay to say that's actually a Tuffa one ^_^ lol
Mints ?

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2014
9:21 PM

Post #9802360

Thanks to our panel of experts for weighing in. For the record henceforth, I have buried some of my Sunflower seedlings. We'll soon see if it thrives or croaks. It was a tuffa one and an even tuffa decision. Ju, what are you building there?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

March 31, 2014
9:38 PM

Post #9802364

LOL^_^ Got me Back LOL!!!^_^ It is a pic of an upside down Tuffa pot . Those are the Drainage holes in the Bottom showing ..
Old by this time , but , It is not that Tuffa to do ,,lol ? an easy to do .


I was asleep , I got back up a while ago ..
Here's a tomato sprout and the Catgrass outside ...

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2014
3:22 PM

Post #9802864

Outside already? Gee I should consider moving to a warmer climate.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2014
3:29 PM

Post #9802868

Yep ,, 61 and sunny , The catgrass was really unhappy with the wind . The Tomato Saying bring it on ,, I am a tough one .. Be one thick little plant , got it going just about right. Beginning Monday though I won't be here for a day or two ..

Hoping they little ones will be okay ,, But that is another (tuffa?) Story .. Bet You were hoping I wasn't going to say that ,, lol ?

I still cannot type

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2014
5:10 PM

Post #9802929

I hope the little ones will be okay in your absence too Ju. As tuffa as yours are, I'm sure they'll be good for a day or two.

I have a pepper sprout...yipee! 16 days and a heat mat till germination.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 1, 2014
8:11 PM

Post #9803082

I have all kinds of new tomato sprouts today. Black from Tula, Micro-Tom, and Sungold.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 1, 2014
8:19 PM

Post #9803086

I thought my fave Sweet Millions were done sproextras uting after 6 (out of 14), so I planted another bunch. Now all of them came up. I grow a few for a neighbor or two, now I'll have a bumper crop :-)

Tomorrow lots of dividing and potting up to do. And I thinkit's time to start the zinnias-- Kathy, have you done yours yet? I think your seasons are the most like mine.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 1, 2014
8:41 PM

Post #9803102

Thanks for the heads up -- I should start my Zinnias too!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 1, 2014
9:26 PM

Post #9803114

Robin, you have bunnies, I have grasshoppers. Not yet but I'm sure they'll show up soon! They chewed the heads off all my young green bean plants last year, very depressing.

Juhur, lucky you to have poppy seedlings. Mine never came up in winter sowing. I'm going to save my unsprouted jugs and see if any eventually germinate. I've heard instances of up to 2 years!

Good advice on potting the vines deeply. I hope I don't forget that. I think it saved my tomatoes. At this point, all that were weak from potting up at separation have died. The rest, at least 100-150, are looking bigger, greener and overall happier every day. They might be small but they are getting planted in ground as soon as I finish setting up their rows. Today was 87 and wow felt HOT after a freezing winter.

All the other veggie seedlings need to be transplanted into their beds as well. I need to reclaim my home from my jungle of plants! Lol
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2014
6:38 AM

Post #9803274

Considering the pitfalls still to come, you might end up with a manageable crop Becky. It's easier to protect against bunnies than grasshoppers I suspect. Although, bunnies loved my green beans to death last year.

Wow, 87...is your spring over?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 2, 2014
8:19 AM

Post #9803344

Oh, yikes, chores upon chores. I'm dying to get my hands on all those little sprouts that need separating so badly, and start more...

But nooooooooo... I have to do paperwork... Booooooooooooooring! ;-)

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 2, 2014
1:17 PM

Post #9803474

Man I sure do hope you're right Robin! And yes the grasshoppers royally suck, but I've heard that this winter was icy enough to kill a lot of them!! Hooray for that! Spring never really did start here. We had a never ending winter and were still wearing sweatshirts 2 weeks ago. Now I hear tomorrow they're calling for almost 90! Just got a letter in the mail saying we are in stage 3 drought. No outside watering at all! Thank god we have a well!

Got all my peppers and tomatoes outside hardening off. Time to start some tropicals and other pretties next :)
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 2, 2014
2:45 PM

Post #9803561

Pam, I sure feel for you...bad timing on that paperwork...I hate paperwork!

Becky, that's good news and a good tradeoff for icy temps! After receiving the robin...I've got lots of pretties to get started, can't wait to see totally new sprouts (green is my favorite color).

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2014
12:16 PM

Post #9804172

The look of these poppies.
out of practice with the camera . From snow to this ,, practice time ,,,lol

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warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2014
2:59 PM

Post #9804295

Pam...nope, haven't started Zinnias yet. Won't until mid to late April. Was going to do potting on today but got sidetracked...my brother and his son stopped in for a while...ok, will do it tomorrow...LOL.

Got 6" of snow!!! Yeah!!!! Just finished up around noon today. A good wet one and will melt off quickly so things should be greening up real soon now... Gotta get some of my annuals seeded in out there before the next round if I can. More snow is due early next week.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2014
4:08 PM

Post #9804345

I'm working today, a free-lance job, but had a couple of hours this morning to do a little potting. Each little cup of Lobelia made 9 small clumps of seedlings in cell packs. I did the 3 blues today, tomorrow maybe I can get to the whites, and some of the others that are really bursting out.

Also today, I separated Petunia Easy Wave seedlings from seed I harvested. They germinated at the same time as the pelleted commercial seeds, but are smaller because they've been so crowded. I only kept the 9 biggest.

And I sowed more. It turns out I have one seedling of Salvia Indigo Spires. Also S Coral Nymph germinated very sparsely and I want more. I really packed both cups with seeds, I hope I get at least a few this time. With the Coral, I had a packet of commercial seed, so I sowed that, too. I'd like a couple of dozen, so far I have 8 from 2 batches.
I also started Ammi visagna green. I'm still waiting for Stachys macrantha and Agastache Golden Jubilee. Everything else that didn't do, I tossed.

My daughter took a flat the other day so I have a little room again. Everything needs to be re-arranged again by height, maybe tonight...

And the best news of all: the plumber got the water going! There is still a lot of snow, but at least the well thawed. So we're going up Saturday morning early, even though we have to be back in the city by mid-afternoon on Sunday. Yippee!!!

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2014
4:50 PM

Post #9804374

I almost forgot to brag...lol. Got pix of the day yesterday... OK...I'll be nice..lol. And people can't figure out why I take closeups of flowers... (humble me is keeping head down now...) Actually Mother Nature made it, I only captured a pix...
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 3, 2014
5:09 PM

Post #9804386

Congrats Kathy! Where's the pic? Congrats Pam...you finished your paperwork and on to playing...you're such a good girl!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 3, 2014
7:21 PM

Post #9804472

Congratulations, Kathy!

Humble? Hmmmmm... Worth bragging about, I think ;-)

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 3, 2014
11:47 PM

Post #9804563

Man guys I sure am having a hard time staying organized.. I've let my pepper sprouts completely dry up. Twice. Luckily I still have a dozen or so but wow I feel like such an idiot! And with all the other chores needing done both in the garden and inside the house I am way behind on everything but I just have to keep reminding myself I am way ahead compared to last year. Success measured by minor improvement rather than perfection! I'm a little OCD sometimes so the imperfections reeaally bug me 😁 Lol

Wow Pam congrats on everything! And looks like you had great results with the lobelia! I think I have coral nymph salvia seed I'm not using if you need some. I (think I) have 2 packs of them from 2 separate trades. I wintersowed them and they did great. In fact all three of the salvias did great with that method, S. Azurea, S. Coccinea 'coral nymph' and a red NOID salvia. I also cleared a lot of room on my indoor light rack. Most all my veggies are out and I have 2 full shelves of space.

Kathy I swear you motivate me. Not to catch up, just not to be left in the dust. Lol I'm not real sure what to sow next though. The tropicals are calling me but I really would like to do more "bed filler" type perennials unless anyone thinks I may still have time to sow annuals?? It gets real hot here in about 2 months..

Anywho more pics from wintersown jugs. Peephole shots through the top of the jug w iphone. Lol. Pic 1 is impatiens balsamina, 2 salvia azurea, 3 portulaca grandiflora white double, 4 ipomoea quamoclit, 5 is a perennial mix, wonder what the heck they are!!

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 4, 2014
4:21 AM

Post #9804609

Becky, by the look of things, you're doing great! Your Winter Sows look wonderful! What's a few peppers here and there, lol.

I figure every year the disappointments are fewer, and the successes increase. But I still never win 100% of the time, that's just how life is. Avid I learned a long time ago that watering every five minutes is not my thing, and started using self- watering setups. Made a huge difference! Of course if I forget to check the trays to make sure they haven't run dry, oops!!!

Perennials take a year or two to come into their own. The first year they are really skimpy in the garden. I get them started ASAP, usually from December to February, so they are big enough to survive the garden. I know Kathy has a holding bed, where they grow on for a season or two. Then it doesn't matter so much if they're small, they don't have to compete for light and air and they won't get swamped by mature plants.

Annuals rarely need more than a few weeks to get going, so I start them later. They grow much faster since they have to flower and set seed before killing frosts.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

April 4, 2014
1:00 PM

Post #9804861

[quote="Mipii"]Thanks for the heads up -- I should start my Zinnias too![/quote]

Is it time to start zinnias already? I'd better get them out...

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 4, 2014
2:48 PM

Post #9804957

Robin..scroll down on your home page to pix of the day...click to go back a few days.. But if you can't find it I think this is it...

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2014
4:08 PM

Post #9805005

[quote="evelyn_inthegarden"]

Is it time to start zinnias already? I'd better get them out...[/quote]

Lol, I dunno for real, just pretending I know...I'm just following everyone else's lead. Heck, that's why I bought a subscription...for you mentors!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2014
4:28 PM

Post #9805023

Start them any time you like , if you have a good bright , hot place, to grow them .
If not start them with May or June in a good hot place , If I want seeds from any of them June 18 th , is as Late as I can start them (plant date)..
I have 6 stringy ones , more to come .. May is the best time for me to start them .
Yes I should say I am typing about Zinnia ,
I plan on a 6 x 4 planting of them this year .. maybe more ?
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2014
5:43 PM

Post #9805079

Thanks Ju, you can safely bet I want seeds! I'm a seed monger.

Kathy, your Centaurea is a beauty. I agree with Pam...worthy of bragging rights indeed.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2014
5:50 PM

Post #9805082

I was thinking it was Centaurea Montana .
oh well, My desire to look at green wild became this ,, a mossed hope , The little things are Snapdragons or Tall parsley , reused soil ... oh well again ..lol

Need to type still , missed the punch line ,, lol Bad when you cannot tell your own humor ,lol

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 4, 2014
6:08 PM

Post #9805096

For some there could be an interesting lesson there in the pic, The white hairs everyone usually presumes is mold is often the moss in the mixes , readjusting itself, the white strands are hair fibers like roots or stems , not always mold , If you let it set a little while it does not bother seeds or plants ,only makes more moss in the mix ,, With shade plants this okay , of course if this happens with sun plants , to shady, to wet ,, time for more light ,

I came back to say , I know most on this thread are aware of this and are much better at many things than myself , The sets from you all here are Incredible !!!
Some times I start to say some of you could take over as Mother Nature , !!! ^_^
Only trying not to aggravate or insult anybody ,,
Okay back to small plant corner ,, (to be green with envy ) lol ^_^ It's meant well ...




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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 4, 2014
9:06 PM

Post #9805176

Good to know that fuzz doesn't hurt the plants. Sometimes I sprinkle a little cinnamon under the dome if it's starying to smell musty. It's not a fungicide, but it does seem to keep everything fresh and healthy.

BTW, I've had problems with fungus gnats for years, and cinnamon has been a huge help in keeping it to a minimum. This year I started out as usual with MG Seed Starting mix, and using lots of cinnamon right from the beginning. I ended up ordering a special mix from Gardener's Supply, formulated for self-watering containers. Somewhere along the line, I stopped using the cinnamon at all. Usually I get more diligent when I start seeing the gnats, but this year there have been none, and I just forgot about it until today when I used it only to freshen the cups under plastic.

The odd thing is that all the stuff I've been using has little sticks in it, but doesn't attract the gnats. So from my experience, I have to agree with everyone who says the MG Potting Mix is the worst for that. I also switched to the GS Germinating Mix, and got better results with a few tricky plants- it has trace minerals, etc, and is also much lighter than the MG. It's worth paying the shipping charges to get a better quality and eliminate the hassle.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 5, 2014
7:35 AM

Post #9805418

Yes juhur, it is Centaurea montana, (mountain bluet or perennial corflower). I just love the blue!!!! It was one of the first plants I started gardening with all those years ago... It's also a indicator plant, when it gets a bit wilty it's telling me it's time to water the whole garden. I cut mine back after a few cycles of bloom and let it regrow a new flush of leaves and flowers, hence, it's an all summer bloomer for me...It's one that the deer don't ever touch, they hate the fuzzy leaves.

Pix is Centaurea montana 'Amethyst in Snow', this one reseeds more than the blue. Also got another new one which is a darker blue they call 'Blackie', sure hope I get some bloom from it this year, I don't remember it blooming last summer but it's still there... I still want to locate one of the pink flowering plants but have only seen it available in Europe so far...(darn)...

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2014
7:52 AM

Post #9805424

It's an interesting lesson to me. I laid a patio in the shade and love my natural moss in between the stones. Ju, everybody has something to teach...and everybody has something to learn. It's a blessing we can do both.

I think I'm gonna have to get out the cinnamon, it must have fungicidal properties Pam, it also helps prevent damp-off. Miracle Grow was my rookie mistake. Is 'GS Germinating Mix' Gardener Supply?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 5, 2014
11:28 AM

Post #9805549

I know sometimes that white hair can start out parasitic , it will and can kill . Once the green appears it is okay , (no longer kills everything )
This also , knats and several things do not like the moss when it is green .

I am aware of the cinnamon , only most of it , is sawdust , Not real cinnamon anymore , sawdust and drops of cinnamon oil most of it ..
As long as it works though ,right ?

The only perennial Centaurea I have , is a knapweed , Finally got one of Scabiosa Centaurea to grow , it is up this spring . looks okay ,so far ,
Remember last year , the germination . I lost the pic of the Americana i had blooming ,,nice cornflower
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2014
12:59 AM

Post #9805888

Yes, Gardener's Supply Germinating Mix. I'm potting up seedlings now, and so far the roots look good. The campanulas are very glad to be moving up to bigger pots. They were very potbound, and the roots were starting to look mushy. They were in MG Seed Starting Mix, which felt soggy. Now they'll be in a coarser potting soil, I hope they like it better.

And I agree about the cinnamon. I do use it to combat mustiness as well as fungus gnats, and I've never needed a real fungicide. I haven't had any damp-off problems since I started using enough heat and light, and cinnamon. And peroxide. I don't know at this point exactly what to credit, I started using everything after the first miserable failures in the damp, cold bay window at the house, which only gets direct light for a short time during the day, and it's filtered,by trees. Yuck!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 6, 2014
11:55 AM

Post #9806195

My little plants look so much happier now- the one full flat that I brought out now nearly fills 2 oversized trays. I went to extra large pots for the Lupines, Salvias (perenns) and Alcea so hopefully by the time they get planted out they'll be extra hefty. And they'll be going outside the soonest as well, in just a few weeks, to make room for annuals.

Still lots of snow and ice around the house. My new path near the house, that is meant to showcase early bulbs and flowers, is still covered. I guess those plants won't be so early after all, lol.

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2014
12:13 PM

Post #9806201

Nice little plant set there , looks comfy , relaxing ,, The ice and snow , Well. It looks like a ski or fall on down here ,,


Here's few today around the yard , daff's, tulips, some sedum trying to return . and of course Daylily and some iris

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 6, 2014
9:01 PM

Post #9806583

Juhur you are too funny, between you Pam and Kathy, Mother Nature could def take a vacation while y'all hold down the fort!

Pam, the fungus gnats are terrible aren't they!? It's true, watering less really deters them but it's hard to keep everything dry at the same time without killing them! When my infestation was at its worst, I was waiting until my plants were just about to droop, then water with diluted hydrogen peroxide. It supposedly kills the larvae on contact and I believe it. 2 or 3 times and I almost got rid of them. I still have a few here and there but nothing like before. The cinnamon worked well for my damp off problem also. Well either that, or it's like you said.. After some miserable failures trying a multitude of things and alas, some or all of them worked.. But which one to credit? Lol! Either way, I just love the tricks of the trade you guys share :)

Since we're sharing, some of the blooming things around here. Pics 1 & 4 are unknown wildflowers (or weeds?? Matter of opinion, methinks), 2 is skullcap, 3 is Drummond's onion, all natives. Except for #5, my mainacht salvia. She is my only non native blooming already, I just love her!

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 6, 2014
9:55 PM

Post #9806596

Trust me you guys,

Y'all got weeds, an infestation to be totally honest with ya.
Pack them up and send them to me, I'll dispose of them all properly...free of charge of course (we're friends, right?)

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 7, 2014
5:36 AM

Post #9806680

I put my first trays of perennials outside today to harden off. My babies are growing up!

(And I have extra space under the lights)
CLScott
Calgary
Canada

April 7, 2014
7:28 AM

Post #9806787

In what zone???

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2014
7:43 AM

Post #9806811

Lol !!! Mipii (Robin ) Thing is , most of mine really are weeds!!! lol , Okay , a semi -truck full
ASAP ...
Kind of cool here today
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 7, 2014
7:54 AM

Post #9806828

Ju, I'm banking on most things are, or were at some point considered weeds...until someone found a use for them.

We're not ready here to harden off perennials yet, probably another week or two.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 7, 2014
12:44 PM

Post #9807077

And I'm a few weeks behind all of you. But that's OK, at least I have room again to pot up...now all I need is the time!
Nedd
Westminster, CA

April 7, 2014
11:43 PM

Post #9807488

I put my trays outside, and surprise shower washed almost of my savories, and lavenders. I'm hoping lavenders could survive.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 8, 2014
4:03 AM

Post #9807513

Salvia Indigo Spires- I now have 2 seedlings. The first one was the only one to germinate in a 6-pack of cells. The 2nd batch was heavily sown in a small cup, only 1 came up so far (3 days). Germination is very sparse, but at least the seeds are not completely sterile. :-)

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 8, 2014
2:09 PM

Post #9807908

from seed as before Salvia did well ,
Sunflower , this was a surprise ,,

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carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 10, 2014
1:11 PM

Post #9809285

Quick question: I need some seeds that will germinate quickly for an Easter display. (April 20.) So they don't have to be hings I love when they're grown up, just cute tiny seedlings. Any ideas? I remember some book my mother used to read me had mustard and cress as being fast germinaters but I've never grown either of those so I don't know.

Didn't Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle use radish seeds?

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 10, 2014
1:34 PM

Post #9809299

Cosmos, Zinnia, Radish, Lettuce (must be this year's seed), Spinach. These I'm sure of, especially under a dome and with heat. They should be showing in just a couple of days. I find lettuce seed becomes much less viable the 2nd year, so I try to buy fresh each season.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2014
2:32 PM

Post #9809344

I forgot where Mipii and some of us talked about this ,,but ,,
Robin (Mipii ) just for you ! Ju's Charmin seed starters ..
That's right , the Charmin method ,, By Ju ... lol ^_^

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carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 10, 2014
7:15 PM

Post #9809524

Thank you, Pam!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2014
7:41 PM

Post #9809536

Carrielamont ; you two named the fastest with new or close seeds , I have had radish and mustard that have sprouted in twelve hours ,(poof) Had to of germinated as soon as they touched earth , really fast...
Wasn't ignoring , just thinking about before ,, silly is me sometimes .. ^_^
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2014
8:50 PM

Post #9809568

Lol Ju! We can call you Prince Charmin...

You look like you use regular garden soil, maybe that's why you don't have mold issues. Have you found the Charmin roll incubates/facilitates fungus? What have you got in them there rolls?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2014
9:04 PM

Post #9809579

That pic above is Sphagnum moss growing on Sphagnum moss not mold ,, I don't get and am not the one with mold issues ,, Just tissue and towel issues .he he ... (bad wasn't it)
My soil cubes are potting soil with cow compost added , Most everything has sprouted in these really nicely
My favorite is the cubes in a kitty tray under a clear glad garbage bag , except the bag gets wet and can fall in without a prop .. (why does that make sense )
Besides all that , I killed my sunflower today ,, set it in the wind .. oh well more to sprout , more to come ,,
Here they are with markers , (the sprouter )

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2014
9:38 PM

Post #9809598

No that wasn't bad...tissue issues...lol.

I didn't think you had fungus issues, I've read others saying they felt the rolls facilitated mold. I was really wondering why you didn't and what set you apart.

I also heard you're somewhat of a wizard with cuttings, something I'm trying to master. I just got a plumeria cutting and a euphorbia cutting, will try desperately not to kill them. I consider myself lucky to try and propagate these tropical beauties...I'll consider myself even luckier if I can get some roots.

Please cross your fingers for me!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 10, 2014
10:14 PM

Post #9809604

Well , regardless of what you may of heard , easy trees and shrubs i can root from cuttings if I can remember to water them and not set them in the sun too soon .
I have some blue leaf Honeysuckle , bush type , that I am trying , they leafed a little yesterday .
Tropicals I am a complete failure at so far ,,

Rooting Gel increased my odds of success rather dramatically , With a few willows is about all . The more I grow though , The more I find the weed type Tea plants are my favorite , they are usually as tough as a tank , and require no care , and they do good things for me if I can stand to drink them ,,

I fail at a lot of cuttings , and my seeds are about the same , I can get them started ,but I kill a lot them from start to setting them for finish ,, The sunflower today ,,
Good luck with the cuttings , ! May you have a lot of Clones !
Oops , If I agreed to sign this Prince Charmin , Then my initials would be PC ,, and There Is No way , I would want to bring on what that could accuse me of !!!


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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 11, 2014
5:50 AM

Post #9809720

[quote="Mipii"]Ju, I'm banking on most things are, or were at some point considered weeds...until someone found a use for them.[/quote]

So true Robin! I get a little carried away trying to learn all I can about all my native and wild plants and weeds, but it turns out at least half have medicinal value or are just overall useful plants! I do love my weeds a little more than most so hope you don't mind me posting pics of them from time to time :)

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 11, 2014
6:16 AM

Post #9809739

Looking good everyone :)

Lol Ju, Prince Charmin! I don't feel as bad for being a seedling murderer anymore. Felt like I was the only one here. Mostly I do good raising my seedlings, but I have learned I need to get better with my watering. It's so easy for me to overwater in the beginning, because I know they need moisture, but I overdo it, then later when they've grown a bit, I withhold water for a day too long and poof! Half are gone! Luckily I over seeded everything so I had a lot of extras to begin with! Lol

Carrie, yes the zinnia and marigold are fast! You could also do a bean, maybe lima? Soak it overnight, do a few extra and you'll have sprouts in no time.

Robin, the best advice I can give you for the plumeria cutting is DONT overwater! My nana used to root plumeria cuttings all the time for her garden club and I specifically remember that was her main thing. She let them dry between waterings or they rot and then you're done. And be sure to let the cutting callous for a week or so before potting it.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 11, 2014
6:26 AM

Post #9809747

I don't lose so many seedlings any more because of the automatic watering... But sometimes a cell will go dry because it doesn't have good contact with the capillary mat, and every so often I forget to check and the whole tray goes dry... Oops! This year the tray with the biggest plants was going dry in 4 or 5 days. Usually it takes 10 days to 2 weeks. I sit by the window where they are every morning at breakfast, so I usually check on at least the lowest shelves while I'm eating. That's where I keep the newest babies, Deno baggies, and the dome for germinating.

I lose some while potting up if they're too little or too big, and I break some, but this year I have as many as I want of most things.

Once they're big enough to go out, they don't get such good attention any more, and all kinds of disasters befall them, lol.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2014
7:34 AM

Post #9809794

[quote="juhur7"]
If I agreed to sign this Prince Charmin , Then my initials would be PC ,, and There Is No way , I would want to bring on what that could accuse me of !!![/quote]

Good move, we don't want you in any unnecessary trouble...you're too valuable!

Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2014
8:02 AM

Post #9809818

Becky...post your weed pics! I love them too. Most of my herbs and medicinal plants look like weeds. These were my main gardening efforts til I found out I can entertain myself with feeding the birds too. Culinary herbs were always the first to plant.

Since ramping up my efforts, I'm getting a really good mix. DG has been invaluable as a resource, I can do more with less by seeding instead of buying everything in a pot from a nursery.

Thanks so much for the Plumeria advice!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 11, 2014
8:17 AM

Post #9809828

Has anyone grown Rehmannia? I'm trying it this year for the first time. Germination was good, but they are very slow growing for an annual that supposed to get so big. Is that right?

Salvia Indigo Spires, the hybrid annual, is now up to 4 seedlings, from many, many seeds. I don't mind sparse germination, as long as I get at least a few. I only had 6 last season, and they made a large clump. I wonder of my seed-grown plants will resemble the parent from my garden... And if it will make seeds that are more viable.

Must get to potting today...
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2014
8:55 AM

Post #9809840

It's official, sunflowers can be sunk deeper into the soil when transplanting, they grow more roots along the stem under the soil line! It's good news for me.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2014
10:42 AM

Post #9809892

PFG) Pam Salvia, agastache , celosia , snapdragon , petunia , all variate easy , Yarrow is another ,, These I have had a few of my own in times past ,

Mipii Robin Thank you for the valuable about the trouble , Your all a memory diamond ,, and I would not want any of you in PC trouble either ,
Sunflowers I get into to trouble germinating seeds of; But I can and have grown some nice ones The largest Mammoth I ever grew was 30 in , across the seed cone (a big-one ) lol
Part of the remembered trick was using tree spikes to feed them , but it wrecks the soil , dig a hole a bag it all for two seasons afterward .. oh well , it was fun ..

Well the catgrass seeds germinated overnight for me ,as before , couple days to good sprout , their a little slow after that , but that was still quick ,, A lot of what is fast has to do with the seed .

SPwD (Becky ) not too bad 3 or 4 out of 50 seedlings so far are my losses ,But in our people reasoning that would make me a serial killer or mass murderer ...eeeek !!!! lol

More propagation
Blue bush Honeysuckle
Salvia
more salvia
And a very slow sad looking tomato .
Marigold There's more ,


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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 11, 2014
6:29 PM

Post #9810238

Juhur...plants (shrubs and trees) are looking good so far. Most have leaves, and some flowers on they pear...probably should take them off...lol. Sure hope they all root for me!

Got a package of mixed Peonies from one of my favorite venders..all potted up and in the G.Hse. area. Yeah, love Peonies... Got out and did some watering... rain on the way tomorrow and Saterday changing to snow...Yipppeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

Pam...you can come pot things for me too... Gosh am soo far behind..just haven't been in the mood ...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 11, 2014
7:18 PM

Post #9810281

Kathy) I'm glad some of those trees are doing a little better this time , It was disappointing last time when you told me none of them grew especially because I was sure they would .
Some at least should this time ,
My plants are only early ones here , hyacinth , feverfew , daylily , that shrub above ,, All the others are still dormant ,
I am leaving a tray outside tonight seeing if Salvia will tolerate 44 degrees (little cool )
I have a couple real old type peonies and a Festiva Maxima that is almost white , (tinged pink) Peonies are a wonderful old favorite with good reason !
Besides Stinging Nettle I will cut for tea leaves in a couple days , and cut leaf coneflowers coming up every where (these two are weeds here ) not a bunch growing ,,
From two little leaves last year , the Amaryllis Iris has four points from the root with a couple leaves 8 or 9 inches tall today ,, Another wonderful wait to see bloom ^_^
Most of the Iris look like they enjoyed this winter ,,
My hyacinth all look terrible ,, it happens some years .. Wild white ones look better though they are not blooming .
The tray outside tonight , the hyacinth

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 12, 2014
4:32 AM

Post #9810415

Hahaha Kathy, I'm so far behind I'll never catch up, lol.

When I looked more closely at S Indigo Spires, I saw another tiny sprout coming. I guess it's just slow, not as sparse as I thought. But I transplanted what I could see anyway, even though more seed might have germinated if I waited. I have lots of big perennials and other annuals doing well, don't need so many of each.

Kathy, I ended up with 12 of your deep red and whatever Lupines. Some stems are very red, some less so, and some are green. Very curious to see color what they turn out to be.

Also potted up more Lobelia White Cascade, Salvias Coral Nymph and Fairy Queen. I ran out of time before getting to the Snapdragons, Ceratotheca Triloba, Ammi majus Rubra, Ammi visagna, Scabiosa Scarlet Sundae (which took forever to germinate), and Rehmania.

We're headed to the house today, again just for one night. The car is packed full of stuff so I can't bring many plants. But I am taking the tomatoes and snaps. We turn the heat down to 55 when we're not there, and they'll like the cooler temps. Hopefully the tomatoes won't stretch too fast, lol.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 12, 2014
6:43 AM

Post #9810525

I wish lupines weren't poisonous, I love the look of them. Can't risk the dogs, though.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 12, 2014
8:36 AM

Post #9810593

Pam and Kathy, I get overwhelmed when I read your posts. Lol...you guys are probably not getting much sleep this time of year.

Celene, all you have to do is train your dogs. Mine were so well trained, they didn't go near the garden.

When I was looking. They were trained not to beg too. When I ate they would watch me, they'd simultaneously turn their heads away from me when I looked at them. Didn't matter how many times I looked at them during a meal. When I wasn't looking at them, they'd be watching me eat.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 12, 2014
8:39 AM

Post #9810594

Celene...in case you don't know they smell strongly of pepper..can't imagine a dog would be interested.

Me..I'm headed outside, got the whole garden to begin getting cleaned up... If I get an area cleaned up may try to seed in some of the annuals...Verbena bonariensis, Poppies, Sweet Peas., Alyssum..etc, Rain this afternoon and then a dumping of snow overnight and tomorrow. (4-6").

Many of my babies are looking a bit on the sad side...somewhere along the way I over did fertilizing.. Learned my lesson..

Juhur...when do you expect bloom on the Iris, (here is about June 1 ish, truely depends on the weather). I was out counting Iris plants yesterday...the number is an OMG...LOL.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 12, 2014
11:26 AM

Post #9810694

The heirloom blue blooms for June, a few years ago April they were blooming and the Hyacinth bloomed February
Mother Nature wanted me to believe in global warming setting me up for this winter ,,,She;as a Gal , lol
Salvias left out last night did okay. weather was off a few degrees , warmer than all thought
Lupine is up this and growing last year it was June past their bloom time ,before they even sprouted .
I think I only have one blanket flower left out of , yeah, that many
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 12, 2014
6:29 PM

Post #9810987

Gorgeous today at the house, low 60's, almost all the snow gone. The garden is still very dormant, but the first daffys are starting to come up. Last week nights were mid 20's, way too soon to put anything out. Looks like most of the Lupines are gone, good thing I have so many new ones. But no blooms this year :-(

I did a little cleanup, but it's too soon to do much beyond taking away the worst of the dead foliage and leaves. Most plants still look dead, or aren't visible at all. I did take some rampant Ajuga away from a new peony, but that's about it. Some of the iris still aren't showing any green yet. I can't tell where it's safe to put my feet, lol.

All the plants I brought last week look very happy in their new big pots. Tomorrow morning I'll pot up the few things I brought before we leave.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 12, 2014
8:01 PM

Post #9811051

Ok robin, more weed pics for ya (hehehe), 1 is an oak apple gall, weird huh? Followed by Indian paintbrush, mainacht salvia going crazy and a shot of my NOID iris I divided in the fall. Didn't think they'd bloom this year but I swear every rhizome has sent up a bloom stalk!! And they look much deeper purple in person, when is the best time of day to take flower photos I wonder? Last one is some wild Drummond's onion. I love the variation in colors, from plum to white and every shade between.

DG has been an amazing resource for me as well, I had so many seeds to play with this year, I had a hard time narrowing them down. Once I'm done planting all my 'from seed' plants into beds, I'll pick some more to start.

Kathy, have you ever grown the fern leaf peony? We were discussing it on another thread and they are GORGEOUS!!

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 12, 2014
8:14 PM

Post #9811056

Beautiful Becky! Your gall looks perfectly round and your bloom colors are VERY pretty. I find taking pics in full sun is really tricky for me, I get less glare and more saturation in shade. I especially appreciate the pics when only a few things are just coming up here. Thanks!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 12, 2014
8:54 PM

Post #9811068

Becky...nope on the fern leaf Peony..(darn...I want one tho but too $$$$$$$$$). The least expensive ones I've seen are still $40. Maybe if they come down in price more. Where do you live that you have Indian Paintbrush? I have a few of the orange ones on my property...sure would like more but the are a sybiotic plant and don't like being planted or moved where not naturaly occuring... I like yours..it's red!! LOL.


Used the most of the day doing cleanup...but didn't seed anything, was a bit breezy to throw seed... Snow is on the way and they've upped the amount of snow (6-10")...yeah...

Five hours in the garden and only about 1/6th of the way done... and then I have to go back thru and weed it...yikes!

Has anyone grown Limonium latifolium before? (perennial German statice). I have a grouping of 4 or 5 plants. But it looks like I now have scads and scads of babies, (first time that I can ever remember getting babies). One of my favorite flowers for making bouquets (used as a filler like Gypsophila babies breath).

Was at the garden center last week for a garden club meeting and saw these...cute huh?!!!! Pix 2 &3)

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 12, 2014
9:05 PM

Post #9811073

LOL that is Darn Cute !!! Do you Suppose there is a natural fertilizer joke there, Kind of a natural half way there thing ... ^_^ he , he ,


That's the old Pepper !

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blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

April 12, 2014
10:35 PM

Post #9811094

Becky,
There is no real best time to take photos. I never take photos in sunlight. I either wait for shade, take it late afternoon or early evening when my garden is shaded, or most often I use a photographic umbrella. It is white so does not add color.

When you take photos with sun, there is too much detail lost and it fades colors. In shade, you get much more saturated colors with detail.

And...I always use a tripod when I take photos of flower closeups.

Kathy, that is quite an unique setup with the jeans.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 12, 2014
10:53 PM

Post #9811101

LOL blomma. cute huh!!!! Juhur, mabe I should ask them about that...(snicker, snicker) Not sure if photo shows it (enlarged) but there are boots tucked in at the bottom. Hey...I have a couple of pairs of old Jeans, wonder how well that would actually work in the garden?

Actually according to the garden books that I've read , the best time for photos in the garden is early am or late pm. (thought not too early nor too late, I personally have noticed if and when I did this there were long shadows. So in other words, not right after sunrise or just before sunset The best times I have found are between 7-10 am and 6-7pm ish...unless it's cloudy. Mid day is a harsh light. Shade???? What's that? Lol... Kathy

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 13, 2014
4:49 AM

Post #9811157

Kathy, I'm going to test a couple of lupines and see how Bellybutton does with them. She generally leaves plants alone, but as much as I love my garden, I love my dogs more.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2014
8:38 AM

Post #9811320

LOL, maybe it's time to do some training... Usually it's instinct that tells them ick... and they leave them alone (plants that is, but I guess there might be exceptions) and I can't imagine they would like the smell, would probably be enough to deter her...tho I only remember the fragrance from the flowers.. yup, just checked the foliage on my babies...nope, no smell from the leaves...just the typical green smell... Let us know how it goes if you decide to try!

blomma

blomma
Wyoming, WY
(Zone 4a)

April 13, 2014
10:21 AM

Post #9811400

Kathy, prove my theory to yourself. Take a photo in sun, shade the plant and take the same photo and see the difference. I can tell you that the colors will not be the same. where there should be red, will be more pink.

The time you mentioned according to your book leaves out the sun.

I trained my German Shepard puppy from the time I got her at 10 weeks the no-nos. The result was she never went into my gardens, I stopped her digging, I could leave food out she would never touch it. I obedience trained her so I could take her with me. She also heeled on a leash. I had to train her if I wanted to take her with me, which is what I did to friends and where ever dogs were allowed. .

To stay out of the garbage can the kitchen, she trained herself. It was empty when she jumped up at it at about 2 months old. It fell on her. She never went near it again.

I used moth flakes around my indoor plants and eventually she got the hint. They were on a low table for I had those old-fashion low windows that I wish I had now.

She lived for almost 13 years. I still miss her even though she died in 1991 because she was always at my side.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 13, 2014
11:30 AM

Post #9811447

Blomma, that was a fantastic, sad and beautiful story. I trained my dogs so I and others could enjoy them more...and if anything ever happened to me and they ended up with someone else, I didn't want any reasons to get them hit or abused (if there's any rationality in hurting animals).

Mine both lived to 13 and 16 years old, I miss them terribly too...I feel yah.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 13, 2014
2:54 PM

Post #9811618

I am actually a dog trainer, and my pup rarely goes in the flower beds, but I have treated too many dogs and cats who made just that ONE error in judgment. It's especially on my mind at Easter, with all the lilies given as gifts. Every year, we see at least one ingestion.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 13, 2014
9:06 PM

Post #9811930

Kathy- and everyone- what do you direct seed into the garden? I've done very little the last few years because I've needed to disturb too much by moving plants around, and by the time that's done it's too late. But this year I have some areas that are set for now... I plan to do Nigella, Nemophila, and some annual poppies. I usually do Verbena Bonariensis inside, but this year I didn't get much. I want to try Larkspur, too.

Aren't Sweet Peas risky outdoors? I thought they had to be started inside, that's how I've done it so far.

Lots of potting up today, still more to do, and I used up all my extra space. So what else is new, lol...

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 13, 2014
11:48 PM

Post #9811981

Kathy I live in North Texas, we have a few different types of Indian paintbrush here, but this is just your run of the mill variety that blooms orangey most of the time.. some of them will go rogue and pop a redder hue. I got lucky lol. I reeeally like the downy Indian paintbrush, castilleja purpurea, which is a feathery looking pink. I tried to "relocate" one from our deer lease but it died. Come to find out they are semi parasitic and rely on a nearby host plant to leach nutrients from. Had no idea..

Robin, isn't that gall weird?? I thought it was a fruit but really it is a wasp laying its eggs in the oak that causes that growth to form. My 10 y/o says they throw them at each other during recess!

Pam I direct seeded salvia azurea into the flowerbed and I swear every one came up. Also some mistflower, conoclinium greggii. Lawn daisy self seeded, so did my pow wow white echinacea. I hope the echinacea gives me at least one white blooming plant. I know it's a hybrid but I have good germination and even greater hopes :D
Nedd
Westminster, CA

April 14, 2014
12:27 AM

Post #9811987

I'm suffering Lavender fever, I've ordered 16 plants, and my seedling is over 50 pots now. I decide to start a small herb garden, but I'd have to change to Lavender garden. My expectation is to have 100 pots this year, wish me luck.

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Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 14, 2014
5:42 AM

Post #9812084

PFG, I direct sow safflower, Escholzia, poppies, Nemophila, annual chamomile, Ammi visnaga and Ammi majus, nigella, dill, anise, chervil and succession sowing of cilantro, lettuce, etc.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2014
8:40 AM

Post #9812287

Nope, I didn't get anything seeded outside the other day as the wind kept coming up... But I did get a section cleared tho... It rained overnight and then began snowing early am yesterday and just ended this morning... I'm thinking there are about 5" of new snow...and I don't know how much more there was as most came over night and packed down and blew about!!!!! But it's alll gonna soak in today 'spose to get to 45* tooday. We are due for more on Thurs. (rain/snow mix). I hate to put seed out if it's going to be windy, I just don't have enough cover aroud my garden to hold things like that in place... What I need is a gerntle rain or snow. Will have to see if we will be getting wind or calm on Thurs... Gosh I have a bunch I'ld like to seed out there...Poppies (A), SweetPeas. Verbena bonariensis, other vines(A), Zaluzianskya, Nicotiana sandersae- both Heaven Scent and Nicky, Zinnias., I have some Bronze Fennel I'ld like to reseed in.. The Ammi had started to reseed itself in an area so not sure if I'll put out any more seed.. Alyssum (A), needs to be redone...(seems like it only last a few seasons and then I need to reseed again, but it's wonderful when you get a nice sized patch...yummmy smell), I have some annual Lavatera I'ld like to try.., Not sure if I have any seed but if I do I'll try Salvia Claryssa mixed, Bachelor Buttons, several varieties of Cosmos- Double Click Cranberry, Rubenza, Versailles Tetra; Scabiosa atropurpea(A), might eve try some of my Digitalis (some varieties that I have plenty of seed), Amaranthus Marvel Bonze, Love Lies a Bleeding, Polygonatum Kiss Me Over The Garden Gate (got from one of the gals at garden club), Calendula, Celosia Flamingo Feathers, Centaurea(A), Cleome (not sure how much will come back from last year so will put out more til I know I'm getting a colony, Larkspur mixed colors, Four O'Clocks, will try Nigella (A), Osteospurmum has stopped reseeding so will do another patch of a peach and yellow mix, Rudbeckia Cappaccino, Cherry Brandy, and Green Wizard; Verben Pink Spires. I have soooooo much seed to choose from, got them in trades over the past few winters, sales at some of the mail order companies and things I've collected... I'm going to be seeding so much in the backyard til the perenns begin to grow up and fill in. Still not sure how much has made it from last falls planttings but I'm sure I'll have many that failed..darn... Am considering on putting some of the extra seed I have of Digitalis (any comments on how well they germinate in a direct sow situation? Oh ya got scads of Sunflower seeds to choose from too.I'm quite sure I could list a gazillion more...lol. (Remember that 99 cent sale at Thompson & Morgan Seed, Pam?????) Now, I just have to get the ground cleared and figure out what goes where... I have bags of the Nicotiana seed so I'm thinking there will be mass plantings of it...sure am glad I have the fragrant varieties that will readily seed . And I've also started many annuals inside and maybe more if I get into the mood...

Lol, are you sorry you asked...?

Speaking of Lavender, I'm waiting for mine to green up so I can get cuttings to root...just too early here to see many of the things to green up yet, but maybe after this week with all the rain and snow.

I didn't spend much time in the main border last summer and it now needs attention... Weeding and then can see how much I need to fill in and remove extras that have reseeded themselves in..the one happy suprise that I've come across so far is the Limonium latifolium that has given me sooo many babies (perennial Statice or Sea Lavender). Only about 1/6th of the way thru the main border on spring clean up (cutting back last year's foliage). It's hard to see what's out there til I get that chore done first.. And I made a list of the things I will be dividing this year...some is for garden club tour I've scheduled in e. June and a bunch for me to plant in the backyard for the many losses and possible trades. Figure it's easier to dig an divide somethings while it's still early and new growth won't be disturbed if I decide to share for trades.. This will be a first for me with a garden tour and I just am not sure what to expect..I don't know what they will want and since my seeding this winter has turned out to be a bit dissapointing (am thinking I over fertilized and many look a bit sad...

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 14, 2014
9:00 AM

Post #9812316

Wow Kathy, you blow my mind with the scope of your plantings! One day when we're out of drought and I have a ton of flowerbeds, I might try my best to go "Warrior style"! Wow! You just reminded me I never sowed my digitalis either. I have half a dozen varieties and I bet I missed my chance to have them this year :(
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2014
11:13 AM

Post #9812459

Digitalis does great direct sown. I have a huge patch of the generic one, comes back every two years. Pic is from 2011. They drop seed, then germinate the next year toward the end of the summer, nice big rosettes appear by fall, and bloom the following spring. A nursery guy told me he cuts the stalks and shakes the seed wherever he wants them to come.

It never occurred to me that so many things could go direct into the garden. Aren't they really tiny for a long time? Like Cosmos, Sweet Peas, Zinnias and the Nics? And does the V Bonariensis have time to flower before it freezes? Am I working too hard, lol?

I guess the truth is, there is plenty of room where I am, I just don't know how much more maintenance I want to take on. If some of the newer sections become more established - and less work- I probably will expand. But I've found if I get too far ahead of myself, I end up overwhelmed, things get out of control, and I end up clearing the same area two or three times instead of once. Seems like a waste of energy, lol...

That's what happened at the end of the lower lawn, where the tall grasses are. The first time I cleared it was a couple of years ago, then I just couldn't get to it and everything grew back. Pic 2 is from Summer 2012, and that's after it had been cleared once. Last spring, pics 3, 4, with a helper, I finally got it pretty well cleaned up and some of the grasses moved around, and by fall it was planted, pic 5, but I know there are still some iffy places. I won't be sure where until I see what made it, what expanded, etc. That's where the Asclepias tuberosa's going, some new grasses (on sale from Bluestone) and some of the taller Nics. I can already see that the path needs work, it's far too green already. Bad sign, lol.

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2014
12:05 PM

Post #9812522

Good thing to know Pam, thanks. Will try to seed some of those in...and then cross my fingers... Ya, w--ds, ickkk!!! I figure I'll cut back faded dead foliage first, then go back thru and begin w--ding and pot things up as I go, hoping I can finish before seedlings begin emerging... I want to go outside and work on somethings, have cabin fever this spring, but there's 5-6" of snow on the ground which ended this morning... And yes the newly aquired backyard will need extensive weeding but this year, I'm thinking I'll just hit the bad stuff with Roundup...much quicker than doing it by hand...

Becky...gotta be positive...this will be a El Ninyo year which starts in June!!!! And I'm just trying to catch up to Pam...(in size of flower beds)..lol. Only joking... And I'm not sure yet what I'll actually get seeded of the annuals...I just know I have a bunch to choose from when I'm ready...

I've had soso luck with the Sweet Peas germinating outside but I don't need any more started inside!!! (Or should I say not much more) LOL. And I'm curious, did you happen to notice that the sale seed from T&M were smaller amounts than their normal priced packages???? My imagination or true??? Just wondering if it's just a marketing thing putting them on sale? Or not... Ok, gotta get off and tend the the babies... Kathy

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 14, 2014
12:25 PM

Post #9812531

Pam, you can certainly start sweet pea outside! Like most legume family, they don't like to be transplanted; it's great that you can do that. Maybe because they're tiny? But they do fine with New England cold springs.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2014
12:37 PM

Post #9812541

Are you kidding? I'm trying to catch up with you, lol!!! Talk about the grass being greener... This is too funny, it's even more pointless than zone envy, ROFL!!! Anyway, the way we're going we'll end up with all each other's plants in our gardens! Ready for the next trade, lol?

Maybe T&M is just doing the same as so many other companies, not raising prices, but putting less in the package. I see that a lot at the supermarket and the drugstore.

I do love a good sale, and Bluestone's Friday sales, 50 plants marked down 50%, have enticed me to order 3 times already. Each time I only order a couple of things, but they add up. Oops!

Becky, you can still start them inside if you like. No matter what, they won't bloom this year. Or you can throw them down where you won't be disturbing things much over the summer, and they'll germinate when they're ready. In the garden, they go to seed in early summer, so that's probably the ideal time to do it. I'm thinking I might freeze some seeds in ice cubes for a day or two to stratify them, then put them out in the garden. That should make them germinate this summer. Hmmm...
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2014
12:42 PM

Post #9812547

Cross post... Thanks for the Sweet Pea advice! I soak them, then do Deno. When they sprout I plant them in TP rolls, several to a pot, and harden them off outside when the shoots appear if it's not too cold. But how much easier just to put them out in the first place. Should I soak them first?

carrielamont

carrielamont
Bedford, TX
(Zone 8a)

April 14, 2014
1:20 PM

Post #9812585

I think the weather will scarify them for you! It's time to plant garden peas, right? They should be fine. Nasturtiums I would soak, but sweet peas should be fine. Remember to plant them near something they can climb a little.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2014
1:58 PM

Post #9812603

:-)
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2014
2:44 PM

Post #9812643

Pam, I soak mine overnight and direct sow before the last frost. I usually have an early harvest and could even re-plant if I felt so inclined.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2014
2:53 PM

Post #9812651

I can't grow anything from seeds outside (boo hoo ) (sigh )
Weeds love , the leave us by our self , and We will grow and bloom for ya ! though
Yeah I know , What is a weed , what is a flower ,
an idea for you all ;
Stinging nettle ;
Cutleaf Coneflower
Milk thistle
Wild aster
Goldenrod
Burdock
Do not stand in one place too long or these will carry you away , or ?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2014
5:50 PM

Post #9812803

Well besides the cubes sitting outside that is , In the ground outside I have no chance at all .
This is my fiddle managerie of seed cubes ,,
One of the containers has 24 different seed types in cubes in the first pic the second is snapdragons , should of been done a while ago ..
I will try a couple of standard seed size starting trays in a few days ..

There's two Lavender cuttings on the table outside that seem to be alive ,, only 3 to start with ..
I am lousy at lavender from seed.

You all look like your zooming on quicktime .! Lots of blooms and nice plants coming our way hopefully

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 14, 2014
7:02 PM

Post #9812886

Pam it looks like all your hard work paid off, beds look great! I need to look up my specific digitalis varieties and figure out where in my gardens they will be happiest. So if I sow them this summer, they'll come up before winter and bloom for me next year, right? I can live with that, LOL

Juhur yes I have a hard time separating the weeds from the flowers as well, I love my weeds :))
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 14, 2014
7:15 PM

Post #9812899

Becky, I think you have to stratify the seeds first to get flowers next year. I think in nature, the seeds go through winter before they germinate. So it would be flowers year after next. Does anyone else have experience with this?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 14, 2014
7:36 PM

Post #9812913

There were five Strawberry Foxgloves Digitalis) here , Now there are two ?
There are a few, very few that bloom in their first season , Same with, only very few are true perennial types ,
Mild stratification , yes , that is how , I have grown a few that have gotten destroyed ..For me . they are difficult from seed.
Sometimes though , a few seeds that are suppose to have to be stratified, grow from the same seasons seeds , I have done this with perennial poppies , sometimes a fall planted plant had grown , I lost them the following spring to voles , they love poppy roots ..
If you have the seeds , I would try a few for fall planting , if not , a couple of cold months would be the time . If they dry , even as a plant ,, they die ,, mine anyway ..

My above post , is really about losing transplants , I lose plant seedlings that way to inordinate extremes .
My cubes in rolls , seems to helping that problem . The seeds sprout nicely , I decide where I want them , plant the cube with the seedling , Having more success , but still working on predator cover ideas



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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2014
7:14 AM

Post #9813257

LOL Pam...Ya, noticed you still didn't tell me the size of your beds...how long and how wide... and I'm thinking Susie has more planting areas than I do toooo... lol.

Got 5 1/2" of that snow...most is gone now, it melted yesterday. Now they are talking a few more inches tomorrow...ok, I know, only a few more weeks and it will be all gone for this season!!!!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2014
7:46 AM

Post #9813299

I have no idea how long and wide the beds are! I do know that a 100' hose doesn't make it from the house to the end. Maybe this year I'll try to take some measurements...

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2014
9:26 AM

Post #9813390

Ok...any idea on how wide they are, (I'm guessing atleast 10+ feet wide?). Ya hoses...I try to only but the 100 footers... From the house spigit to the garden takes at least 2 and then another to get to the end of the bed... I'm going to have to see if I can finish up my irrigation system this season...Last summer only got the west side of the border done and still have to work on the east side so it will overlap and all plants get a more even distribution of water...I have most of the things I need it's just a matter of putting things together... Darn...another thing that I need to put on my to do list!!!! LOL... Almost forgot about that..but atleast I won't have to drag the hose around all summer and have pix with my watering tower... Still another thing to work out is the pressure as I can only run 1 sprinkler head at a time since I'm on a well and pressure is not what it is in the city...

Sooo many things that need to get done...Yikes!!!! Speaking of which I need to get off and go do laundry...lol... Later all...Kathy

Pix...see on the post is my sprinkler head (middle of pix), ya I know it looks goofy but it works!!!

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 15, 2014
9:29 AM

Post #9813393

Oooops, sorry wrong pix, I'll have to see if I can find one... anyway sprinkler heads are about 5 ft off the ground about every 8 ft ish... ( Like my garden art..lol, I got it out of the neighbors trash...I love it...)
mlmlakestevens
Lake Stevens, WA
(Zone 8a)

April 15, 2014
9:44 AM

Post #9813414

Pam I recommend Cosmos from seed. Don't even try until it gets warm. Then they grow fast, and bloom like crazy for months. A great 'filler' for areas that need something growing instead of weeds, like if you planted small perennials that won't get big for a year or two. Nicotianas (the big ones like sylvestris or langsdorfii) are somewhat slower to get going, but also do get big and flower that same year. I know you have big gardens, so this could be an easy way cover the ground.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2014
10:51 AM

Post #9813464

MLM, great advice for Cosmos...that comes in real handy sometimes.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 15, 2014
5:16 PM

Post #9813727

Some White Swan Echinacea have sprouted , regardless of the cold temperatures .
Kale and such has not , being slow .
These are new seedlings of purple prairrie Echinacea yes indeed . granny's coneflowers ..lol

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
4:53 AM

Post #9813970

I do Nics and Cosmos indoors every year for earlier bloom. Volunteers are much later. Our season is a lot shorter than zone 8!

Most of my beds are long and narrow, with wider areas at the ends. On the uphill side to the left of the middle lawn, there are two levels, above and below a low stone wall, which makes it seem wider. On the right (lower) side, the wall is much higher at each end, and in the middle the wall becomes a sloped rock garden, heavily planted in crevasses and pockets of soil.

The bed on the other side of the next level down is quite narrow, except in a few spots like the PG hydrangea, the Blue Garden in the middle and the grasses at the end. That wall is about 5' high, lower at the far end, and there are shrubs planted below.

Pics 1-3 are from last spring, 4-5 last fall.

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
8:05 AM

Post #9814097

Geesh Pam, that's so beautiful! How long have you been working those beds?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
8:56 AM

Post #9814142

This will be my 8th summer. Obviously, the bones were there, hard scape, shrubs, trees, etc. But the beds were a mess, overgrown badly, full of invasives, and fuggedaboud the edges, lol. It's been a lot of fun- and very educational- to try to make some sense of it. I feel very lucky to have such a special spot to play in. Pics are from 2007.

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
9:55 AM

Post #9814182

OMG, thanks so much for sharing...you've got a little slice of heaven right there! I LOVE the stacked stone...love it! Any complaints about mowing?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
11:19 AM

Post #9814238

We have a guy that sends a crew. Someone rides the big 54" mower, someone else weed whacks the edges and narrow places, and I think there's even a smaller riding mower... But we're usually not there when they come, so I'm not sure. The guy says every time I clean up an area, their job gets easier.

DH said the first year he was there, 1978, he bought a riding mower. But all the lawns are on a tilt, and there are some really scary places toward the back where the walls end and there are sloped paths. He used it once, then sold it and has hired people ever since. ;-)
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
11:32 AM

Post #9814249

Oh ho...easy-peasy!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
12:50 PM

Post #9814299

Some things have to be ;-)
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
12:56 PM

Post #9814307

Yeah, you've got to pick and choose where you put your energy...

unless you're super human (never met one of those)!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
1:00 PM

Post #9814312

Kathy maybe? Lolol!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
1:44 PM

Post #9814339

HAHA!!!! You must be joking….
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
2:19 PM

Post #9814377

Kathy can pretty much do it all!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
2:25 PM

Post #9814382

Didn't "Super K" refer to something ? lol like maybe?

Super Nitrogen , Super Phosphate , Super Potassium ,, Super Kathy !!!

I think I've got it ,^_^ LOL !!! Learn things here all the Time...lol


Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
3:06 PM

Post #9814409

Super K is even better than Special K.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 16, 2014
3:41 PM

Post #9814429

Well ,, I think I better "Eat My Wheaties" before I go any further here with this .
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
4:25 PM

Post #9814462

Mayb... Meanwhile this thread has become super long, so I'm starting a new one

New thread:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1356823/

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