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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 16, 2014
4:32 PM

Post #9814469

We came from here:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1351480/

Discussion of seed starting methods, successes and disappointments... Please join in-- the more, the merrier!

Edited to correct link

This message was edited Apr 16, 2014 6:36 PM

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2014
12:57 AM

Post #9814690

one of my white swan Echinacea came up in the sprouter , outside , last nights freeze killed it anyway ,, That is not suppose to happen ,,
Neither is me being up at this hour either though ,,oh well
Lettuce sprouted outside during the freeze .
Onions , Kale , Garlic and Leeks,could not care less about the cold , Garnish munchies are easy to grow , I like that . ^_^
A couple hybrid cross Daylilies are sprouted also.
I am so swamped with seeds after this season , I am going to give them all away or donate them and start again ,, well most of the seeds anyway , I will probably end up keeping three tissue boxes full .
Lets see ? That only leaves 2 large coffee cans and about 12 bags full of seeds to donate ,,
Oink , Oink , is me?

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2014
7:43 AM

Post #9814846

OK, I'm here!!! Yippee, I getta go outside today!!! Suppose to be about 65* today, the snow went south of us.. Might get some rain this weekend, but atleast the temps will be in the 60s and 70s for thhe next 10 days.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 17, 2014
6:52 PM

Post #9815241

Hahaha... I expected to see green this weekend. Guess what?

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 17, 2014
7:03 PM

Post #9815246

Hey Pfg ,,,
Snowed are you ,
Do you Ski That ...
That is one icy Mother ,,,Winter jokes ,,,he he ... good grief ... not that ..
Can't leave without a
oh goodness ,,, Snow kidding ? yeah well , it's been a long winter ..

Nice pix though ,, lots of green to come ,,
The mean part ,, 72 and sunny today here it was ,,, All a bit of a bad joke ,, weather and the way it plays with us ..

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 19, 2014
4:44 PM

Post #9816663

Last years White Swan Coneflower , and this years sprouts empty .. same seeds ..
Well a few of these seeds to try later , I kept . My first fail with the sprouter .

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 20, 2014
8:48 PM

Post #9817490

60* and 70*s for the next 7 days...yeah!!! More babies to the greenhouse tomorrow...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 20, 2014
8:56 PM

Post #9817496

Yes Kathy ; definitely warmer , I am moving sprouters outside to the shade ,, it got too hot ??? Wow the weather . lol it got to 81 here today ..
Sprouts of lots of mostly Butterfly plants happening .. Alfalfa , buckwheat , wild Mustard , yeah well , once a weed fan , always a weed fan , lol
More to come ,
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 21, 2014
3:36 AM

Post #9817564

I started hardening off Lupines, Digitalis and Salvia transylvanica yesterday, and forgot to bring them in at night. Oops! But night temps are supposed to stay above freezing this eek, so it should be OK.

Last fall I took down the covered stand I've used as a cold frame in the past, I need to find a new place for it so I can fix up the bed it was in. That's a chore for next weekend. Meanwhile, there is room in the city to start more annuals, I just have to look through my stash to see what's next.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 21, 2014
10:33 PM

Post #9818435

Still too cold , couple of nice days near 80 degrees but night time there are two 30 degree nights coming this week ,
I will probably lose three zinnia test specimens as the 3 before , and a Salvia planted as a test .
Vegetables are planted lettuce to 28 degree tolerance and such

Zinnia seeds in a Sprouter #1 closed #2 open 3 or 4 days in the sprouter ,mixed with half a foam coffee cup of garden soil (seeds and earth in sprouter )
yes I do everything upside down , look close to center , you can see one germinated sprout

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 22, 2014
2:59 AM

Post #9818485

We had a beautiful weekend, finally got started on garden cleanup. The plants I left outside Sunday night looked fine in the morning except the Salvia seemed a little limp. Low temp was 33.

The prediction is for a mild week. I was afraid to leave,the plants with no protection at all so I compromised. Before we left, I set up a couple of 16" x 30" grids horizontally, using bamboo stakes to prop them up, and laid frost blanket over them, weighted down with bricks. This is in knew of my raised veggie beds, in quite a lot of sun, and hopefully not too much wind. I hope that's enough!

I also separated Ceratotheca and Ammi Visagna seedlings this weekend. I was worried that I'd waited too long, they looked a little stressed when I was done, but they survived overnight and seemed perkier by the time we left.

I'm caught up for the moment, time to start more annuals :-)

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 22, 2014
4:21 PM

Post #9819115

My list of annuals gets too long for me sometimes ;
Red Amaranth
Zinnia , I have 800 -1,000 planned and primed
Salvia
Marigold Sparky
Marigold Crackerjack (already growing
Marigold Aztec ,
Burr Marigold
Variegated Thistle .
Poppies (two types annual growing
Lettuce
Dill
Wild mustard
Basil , five or six types
pepper two types so far (growing
Tomatoes One growing ) three or four this year is all
Watermelon
Cucumber
Beans (always three or four
It does not look like much growing , only it gets to be a doing keeping up somtimes
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

April 22, 2014
7:22 PM

Post #9819284

Last year I sowed my Digitalis in August under some "close knit" plastic flats. I also then sowed hollyhock and pansies. The hollyhocks grew the quickest so they are already in their places in the garden. Next, the Digitalis...I planted a few in their places and some are still in the raised bed, some in the gardens...now the pansies are quite small...the last ones to germinate and grow. The shasta daisies are small as well. All wintered over with no cover...but we did have a mild winter with only a couple of hard freezes. The digitalis are quite large and should be moved into beds or gallon cans until I find places for them.

I find digitalis a bit hard to work with in winter, having lost them for several years in a row. I think they grew better with my "benign neglect", except for watering of course. I will trim the tiny flowers off the pansies and fertilize them and put them in the shade and see if I can improve their growth as they are much smaller than they should be. Hopefully they will hold out until fall.

The lupines, I sowed outside in cell packs. Some did not germinate. I might try to retrieve those seeds and soak them, as I did not do that either. The ones that did are doing well, though they are still small.

The lettuce has been growing outside in small plastic fruit boxes (vented), with paper towel on the bottom so the soil would not leak out. They look a lot better than the year when I sowed them inside, though they are slow to grow, I don't need them yet.

I also have some lettuce sowed outside, uncovered in one of the raised beds (a 4' X 4' "Square Foot Garden"). I have the beets and carrot growing in there as well. I have a cover of Remay over the whole bed, to help shade it from the hot sun, and maybe I can have lettuce with my tomatoes, as it is usually either/or. I was surprised to see the lettuce seedlings as it is iceberg. I thought that they would not go through the winter.

My tomato seelings are still in the basement...the ones I started. I did buy 3 plants and they are in the garden. Last year we had snow on April 15th, so I never know when the weather will do a turnaround. It has been in the 50's and some days even in the 60's, though it was in the 80's in Sacramento. It warmed up last year and then we had snow, but it does not seem likely this year.
CLScott
Calgary
Canada

April 22, 2014
7:24 PM

Post #9819288

What is a Burr Marigold?

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 22, 2014
7:36 PM

Post #9819300

Bidens, I think.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 22, 2014
7:49 PM

Post #9819311

CL, Scott Most of the time , if you look it up , you get trifid .
A small marigold you grow in hanging Baskets ,

Celene' yes a Bidens is it's real ID ;

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/55010/ mines smaller usually .

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 22, 2014
9:12 PM

Post #9819350

Evelyn-itg, it sounds as though you do your germinating outside, but still in containers protected by the raised bed? Did I get any of that right? I too am in 8a, but maybe your winters are milder? What sort of temps and rain do you usually get, if I may ask yet another question. lol
Thanks,
Turtle
CLScott
Calgary
Canada

April 23, 2014
4:21 AM

Post #9819418

Thanks---I know it as Bidens.
Caroline
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 23, 2014
3:28 PM

Post #9819885

Busy week, but short... We're headed out again tomorrow morning.

I can't wait to see how my plants did outdoors under the frost blanket. The cold went on so late this year, and now we're nearly at the end of April... It's already much warmer than when I usually start using the covered stand as a cold frame, and I've just started putting out the hardiest plants. I don't think I need that much protection now. Good thing, because I took the stand down last fall. I'd like to improve the look of the bed where it was, and don't know exactly where else to put it.

So I'm going to try to wing it, using other kinds of shelter against late cold spells. I have brand new (but had them for years) wall-o-waters for the tomatoes, clear corrugated panels for some of the perennials, lots of protective frost covers, and it's not as crowded inside as years past.

Meanwhile, still haven't started lots of the annuals, may end up buying them. Oops! ;-)

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 23, 2014
3:41 PM

Post #9819899

Annuals do take up some time ,, you have it ,or you don't .
Here is;
Lettuce Grand rapids ,leaf second pic
Kale Red Russian first pic
More Zinnia sprouting I planted one of these as a test , if it lives tonight ? I will put them outside as they sprout
Last is one of the Annual Poppy started in the towel cubes

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 23, 2014
6:48 PM

Post #9820054

You're doing great there, Juhur. Congratulations!

I should be doing the same thing, but life has been getting in the way lately, lol... Isn't that what happens to all of us? We get a good start (or maybe not, lol), and then there's a curve or a twist in what's going on around us, and time evaporates.

But plants can be surprisingly forgiving in many instances, and we can pick up our slack and end up pretty well off. Or not...

So I'll just have to see how the next few weeks unfold, and see how much more I can fit in. Meanwhile, I have some wonderful new perennials for my efforts. The Platys are in full bud, blooms not far away. I wonder if I'll get another surprise beauty like last year?

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 24, 2014
7:35 AM

Post #9820331

Juhur...where are you starting your annuals? In ground?

Wow, we got almost an inch of rain yesterday then it turned to snow last night and ended up with 2 1/2". Now they're saying more coming in this weekend...

Still workiing on garden cleanup...guess I'll have to put that off for a few more days now...darn. But the moisture is wanted sooooo... Maybe I should get caught up on my seedlings and seeding annuals...

Pam... did you ever get your Penstemon palmeri up and growing? I'm soo sad mine didn't make it.. I'll have to check with one of my Nurseries and ask if that's normal. The guy who owns it is an author and collector of native Western Plants. This plant is native to just south of me and thru N.M. and Arizona too. So not sure if it's just short lived or did I do something wrong??? It was looking soo good. Was cleaning up that area yesterday (early) and I didn't find any signs of life where it was...Darn!!! Who knows...I may just buy another one from him...am thinking it was about $5 for a quart pot... And it will give me a chance to pick up a plant that I spied there a couple of years ago...It was a Salvia.. bright true deep red and about 3 foot tall.. He had collected seed and was growing it outback at the nursery to get seed for more plants so he could grow them for sale...

Still have several more days of cleanup in the garden til I can think where I want to do direct sowing and just what it is I want to seed in... I've got to hurry tho, some still need that cool weather to get some started...(poppies come to mind).

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 24, 2014
10:04 AM

Post #9820433

Kathy I am starting them in the sprouters, Large seeds with a little earth , small seeds in cubes
All in the sprouters in the sun , for warmth loving annuals , Since the sun decided to shine some this year , I thought I would go with it .
1,2, &4 are Zinnia efforts
3 the violets that grow here
Last is a dwarf Daffodil that has been blooming for weeks now
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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 24, 2014
10:25 AM

Post #9820444

A few more the Salvia , Not looking as good as they might , need to feed ..
First is the Lupine (wild Perenne blue ) they did not bloom last year .
After a few weeks ago I am a little slow lately , the trays get to be too much so I go back to the long ago devices and tool ideas
Little containers for sprouting , bottles , upside down salad containers , so forth , this stuff ,as it as easy as kindergarten use ,, Doesn't take any umff to do ..

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 24, 2014
12:14 PM

Post #9820521

Once again' the zinnia seeds and sprouts in this solar cook sprouter (salad container )
I was planting these outside until it started raining , so I am being a little fixational here ,

Not showing as well they might (me and the Camera ) but there is probably about 300 sprouts in this container , Sun shines on the top and poof , it is 90 to 110 degrees in these sprouters

I got about two dozen planted , Like the Salvia about 39 degrees is as low as they take , bottles and frost blankets for that . It is suppose to be warm for a week or so , hopefully the seedlings will get growing enough to be hardened off to take some weird weather .

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 24, 2014
5:25 PM

Post #9820735

Kathy, my P Palmerii looks like it's toast, but so much in the garden is still dormant or close to it, I'll wait and see. The stem is still there, but not sure how well it's attached to the roots.

The 3 Salvia Azurea I bought last year are not showing any growth, but when I tug on a stalk the roots seem firm. We had some low night temps this week, just below freezing, and tonight will be another chilly one. After this, it should start warming up. Then the survivors will start showing themselves.

The Lupines, Salvia transylvanica and Digitalis looked terrific after their week outside under the frost blanket. Very encouraging.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 25, 2014
9:14 PM

Post #9821844

Planted all kinds of plants today , Started some more seeds ,
About 300 to 500 Zinnia Sprouts are now planted , Have another container of sprouts to decide where to plant ..
Re-dug and sand and Graveled a Watermelon ring , then planted 5 seeds as a test .
Half a dozen annual Salvia are planted also ..


Pears trees are blooming , plum trees are not (and should be )

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

April 25, 2014
10:00 PM

Post #9821869

[quote="13Turtles"]Evelyn - it sounds as though you do your germinating outside, but still in containers protected by the raised bed? Did I get any of that right? I too am in 8a, but maybe your winters are milder? What sort of temps and rain do you usually get, if I may ask yet another question. lol
Thanks,
Turtle[/quote]

Turtle ~ It snowed heavily this evening after raining all last night and today. The winter was mild, but spring here is very unpredictable. This fall and winter was very dry with only scant rain or snow...then mild and sunny for most of the winter. We are in extreme drought, so even though we are getting moisture, it will not count, so says the weatherman.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2014
1:10 AM

Post #9821949

That's too bad. It does sound a little like here -- except for the two heavy (for here) snow storms we are very short on precipitation, given that we're supposed to be a rainforest. It has rained some lately, kind of like the beginning of fall. ?? And yet my kale is bolting?!

Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
8:41 AM

Post #9822175

Turtles...your kale is already bolting? I hope you've been enjoy some of it, I haven't got anything in the ground yet.

Evelyn, we've getting plenty precipitation, I'd send you some but, I'm afraid it wouldn't count..lol. I'd assume every little bit counts.

Ju, it sounds like you've got a Zinnia operation going (300-500), I can just imagine all those cross pollinating surprises you could have next year.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
9:21 AM

Post #9822200

Mipii they usually go back to older varieties when they cross ,

In the meantime ; I am a Zinnia Terrorist , to hybrids ,, Bloomacide !!! he he .
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
11:05 AM

Post #9822275

LOL... Hybrid Bloomacide Terrorist...then you'll have thousands of heirlooms to sell next summer!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
11:24 AM

Post #9822293

The ones I have are mostly from last season , those made good seeds , These made larger arrow point seeds that were more visible to me ..
I have a DS bag of last years to plant, now, that I can see the seeds ,
I have more , if these do, more to add to a Robin or the DG bank

Planting Buckwheat and Alfalfa today , watering new plants and seedlings a few days ,
Be watering the green vegetables in a while ..
Butterflies , Bees , and salads , so far ..
I seem to of lost a bunch of plants this winter ,, That part is depressing ,, only another year of possibilities , is delightful ..
If all else fails , we can all always eat the very bland considered weeds ,, Boiled thistle and dandelions , with stinging nettle and Burdock side dishes ,,lol Telling on myself , I am not good with vegetables because of my personal energy factor ... Only I Am Great !!! At the do nothing Herb Weeds ^_^ lol?
I believe I have little Broad Ripple Currant tomato plants sprouting everywhere ,, For third or fourth time They have self sown ,, Energetic little fellows ...

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2014
4:37 PM

Post #9822561

It's a zinnia's world.

Robin, they're bolting at 4 inches tall, in 40*-50* degree weather, so nope, haven't eaten any kale in months. I have to say I'm a little perplexed, which I suppose means I'm a real gardener.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
6:05 PM

Post #9822643

I'm perplexed too, what are you feeding them? Really good stuff I bet, needs a warning on the label...'NOT FOR BOLTING VARIETIES'!

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2014
6:31 PM

Post #9822672

Good old fashioned Pacific Northwest rain? No, come to think of it, I did add compost in prep for spring planting. These were fall-sown. Oh shoot, I planted my lettuce there too.

Too bad I'm not into creating faerie environments; I could serve a sumptuous meal. One drop of balsamic would be more than enough for all the lettuce.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 26, 2014
6:48 PM

Post #9822697

Oh! I found y'all again.. You were hiding! LOL

Pam, I can't believe you would have to buy any annuals with all that sowing you did!! I have a lot of annuals that came up and I have NO IDEA where to put them!! Most of them I've never grown before so I guess I'm worried I'll give them the wrong environment. Orlaya grandiflora is one of them, señora zinnia, rudbeckia double gold, cypress vine.. All winter sowed and dying to find a permanent home! LOL

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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2014
7:02 PM

Post #9822717

When folk talk about winter sowing, does this refer to outdoors in containers? I'm getting complaints about indoor sowing just with tomatoes, there's no way I could sow desired annuals too. I have basement envy, but maybe, with our *usual* mild winters I could get a start.
Thanks for any insight.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
7:11 PM

Post #9822727

Yes 13 Turtles ; winter Sowing is outdoors in containers ,I am not real good at it as far as results myself . but , it works with lots of plants .
Annuals , when I have enough seeds ( in case of ?) I just plain old sprout and plant , it works for me ..
Bunches and more to go ..

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 26, 2014
7:15 PM

Post #9822735

13Turtles, yes winter sowing is when you sow your seeds outdoors during winter, in a container that allows air, water and light to get in. They germinate when Mother Nature tells them to and then you have nice plants without having to sacrifice all the indoor space. This was my first year and I had more than half germinate. I'm up to 32 out of 59 jugs. Not bad if you ask me, now I'm hooked! Here's a link to the WS forums:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1345632/
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
8:09 PM

Post #9822782

Turtles, you better write that compost supplier down, you found a winner! The jury's still out on my first WS experience...maybe the jury's in TX where it's warm. Everybody is moving to TX, even the robin's migrating there.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 26, 2014
8:23 PM

Post #9822799

Thanks everybody.

Don't think I'm going to Texas, robins or not.
1. The compost is here, locally made.
2. I went from desert to New England, and think western Oregon is paradise.

I will someday have fresh peas, and 'maters. I think I might have a go at making fresh mozzarella. swoon. And next year: annuals!

Turtle

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 26, 2014
9:18 PM

Post #9822822

Robin, Texas is alright.. I hope texans don't get mad at me for saying that!! I can't help it.. I hail from Hawaii and didn't move here until I was 23, so I'm more tropical blooded! And I CANT WAIT to get the robin, I'm next after this stop!

Turtles, your weather sounds sublime!!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 26, 2014
10:11 PM

Post #9822842

I was Born in Southeast Dallas .. Old Time defector is me ... I can remember the Texans Stadium , (before the team you all know as that ) Before Irving Stadium Where I use to eat where that was Built .. And now the New Cowboy's Stadium Which I have never seen ... ooh,, ooh . Now I;m making myself feel OLD !!!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2014
8:00 AM

Post #9823087

Weather wise, Texas is okay compared to Hawaii.

I've got Wisteria, Clitoria terneata and Roselle soaking and will pot today. No room for much else. Hopefully I'll have a better set-up come winter and add more annuals to the sprout list.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 27, 2014
8:23 AM

Post #9823099

LOL old! It's all a state of mind Ju! Me and hub just realized yesterday that the music we listened to as a young married couple, is now playing on the "classic rock" stations!! Now didn't see that one coming for a few more years..

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 27, 2014
9:46 AM

Post #9823180

Robin I'm anxious to hear how long it takes for your roselle to sprout.. Mine never came up for me, but I do have more seeds to try..

You think it's too late for me to start annuals here? I am going crazy looking at my empty shelves inside!!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2014
10:04 AM

Post #9823202

Cool...empty shelves! I'm still going to do annuals, the only way to find out if its too late is try it and evaluate at the end of the season...by that time... well, you know!

I'll let you know about the Roselle.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 27, 2014
10:38 AM

Post #9823234

Becky, should be able to do annuals, remember your growing season is much longer than the rest of us.. I'm just starting many of my annuals now. Started Alyssum (white and pink) this week. also some Zinnias, Salvia farinacea Victoria and all have sprouted, More things to be started today and over the next few days... I have a whole bunch of seed on the shelf to choose from, which to start next...lol. Choices, choices, chooices, almost too many... Lol, love seed trading..and sales...

Almost 11:30 am and still snowing here this morning...so I'm inside for the day. Darn, it sure was nice being outside a few days this week... Direct sowed some Polygonum orientale (Kiss-Me-Over-The-Garden-Gate. Gift from a gal at garden club, she explained it's good luck to receive from a friend. LOL, I sure hope so!!!!

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 27, 2014
11:10 AM

Post #9823262

Mmm, empty shelf envy. If I want to start more I'm going to have to,dig myself a basement. Or...kick out the extra human! That might work. But would make it all less fun. Okay, back to basement envy.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 27, 2014
12:22 PM

Post #9823322

I have variegated KMOGG sprouting, last year some kind of rodent ate mine and I had to buy seed this year.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 27, 2014
2:46 PM

Post #9823437

Thanks for the nudge, Pam and Kathy, I'm such a chicken.. sometimes I need to stop thinking about it and just DO IT! I don't think I'm brave enough to direct sow my KMOGG though, LOL.

I can't imagine snow right now, it was too hot to do anything outside today, like 95 degrees hot!!

Here's my shelves, one lonely tray of mother of thousands kalanchoe and some echeveria cuttings.. A far cry from the laundry room that a few months ago, housed so many trays I had to rotate them on and off the shelves to make sure all got light daily. And it was like doing yoga to reach over them doing laundry!! Wow any sensible man would have left my obsessive butt years ago.. lucky I married a Marine! :))

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 27, 2014
2:50 PM

Post #9823442

Silly girl forgot the photo..

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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 27, 2014
5:35 PM

Post #9823565

I have yet to be successful with KMOGG, but I'm going to try again. Skipped last year, so this time I'll have DG for guidance.

Becky, how nice - and foresightful - to have so many identical pillars!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2014
6:28 PM

Post #9823612

More for the herb forum , I know , But here is some German Chamomile .
About Last Sunday I is when they were planted , maybe a little before ..

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 27, 2014
6:29 PM

Post #9823617

Yeah I know ,, the Pics

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2014
2:28 AM

Post #9823792

Another bleak, damp and chilly weekend. I just can't get motivated to go outside and get anything done... And things are growing sooooo slowly, I'm afraid to do much in the beds until more plants come out of dormancy. Otherwise I'll walk on them, or worse, pull them up. Maybe next week...

And indoors, I still haven't gotten very far with the annuals. I carry my bags of seed back and forth from the city to the garden, and still haven't done the zinnias, marigolds, cosmos, sweet peas and whatever else is still in there. The more unusual ones have been going for a while: Ceratotheca triloba, Rehmannia, Torenia, Ammi visagna, Ammi majus Rubra, Salvias Coral Nymph and Fairy Queen., and of course the snaps and tomatoes. But there is soooo much more!

I've had lots of distractions. My late mother's house finally sold last month, and I've just finally finished finding room for all the things I didn't want to get rid of. That has been a huge project since the beginning of the year. So I've had lots of excuses not to spend much time outside, especially while the weather has made being out there so unappealing, lol.

So good for all of you who are keeping up with it! Maybe I'll get reinspired when things warm up a little more. Meanwhile, happy planting to you all!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2014
8:33 AM

Post #9824112

Pam...just to let you know my Ammi majus rubra came back and have little green tufts where origional plant was placed... So I'm not sure if they are a perenn??????? Or biennial???? (If biennial , they bloomed first year from seed so what's up? LOL. I guess I'll find out if they make it thru the winter this year ('14/15) and reappear next spring... Like I said they are rare and I just checked some of my ginormous hort. books and didn't find anything under Ammi or Daucus.

Went to search mode (the web) and the only thing I found was a reference of a post from here last spring between you and I (your post), and pix of your sloped garedens but not the flower... Hmmm...lol.. Also checked out the pix they were listing as such and not any of the hundred or so showed any of the rare red variety.

Pix
1 Ammi visagna or majus
2 Ammi majus Rubra
3 Ammi majus Rubra

Will definately need to get better pix this summer... Threw seed from those that bloomed last summer, hope more germinate so I can get a nice patch and better pictures of a grouping of the plant...

So we are forever on the web now as a ref... Lol.

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2014
9:14 AM

Post #9824145

[quote="StillPlaysWDirt"]Wow any sensible man would have left my obsessive butt years ago.. lucky I married a Marine! :))[/quote]

Hoorah! Thank him for his service, and thank you for your Marine life sacrifice, from the bottom of my heart!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2014
9:35 AM

Post #9824165

Pam...correction. I found my origional letter. It's Daucus carota Rubra. (red or pink), B., Z 2-9, 2-3 foot tall rarely taller, reseeds (pull any that bloom white within 50 feet or they will revert over time, sun.

Pix again with corrected ID
1 Daucus carota rubra
2 Daucus carota rubra

Hope they can get this in our files here at Dave's...I contacted Melody to submit it.

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2014
11:56 AM

Post #9824261

Good to know, Kathy, I'll change my labels. I got decent germination indoors in my 2nd batch, which now looks better than the first (pic 1). I had white Daucus carota last year, no idea so far if it self sowed though people said it would. I'm still pulling up Ammi majus white seedlings from a planting 2 years ago, just got a huge patch out this weekend (even though I barely got outside at all).

The frost blanket is doing its job. The Lupines, Digitalis and perennial Salvias are very happy even though we've had nights in the very low 30's a few times since putting them out. Days have ranged from low 40's to mid 60's. I put out a few Campanula pyramidalis just before we left this morning, to bee on the safe side, I left some in the house, but I really don't think there's anything to worry about.

I'm still amazed at how late this spring is. My new 'Tulip The first,' an early species tulip, is blooming in the sunniest spot, just starting where it's shadier. The Daffs are just barely getting going, so many don't even show buds yet. The sticks in the daffy bed are marking some bi-color daylilies I want to move .

Meanwhile, back in the city, I WILL start more annuals this week!!! Promise!!! (Lolol)

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2014
12:22 PM

Post #9824276

Ya, sure... lol. Speaking of which I need to do the same this afternoon... Better get to it. Later all..

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2014
12:42 PM

Post #9824293

poppies , tulips , and more Salvia , today here .
Rainy cool day to start , little warmer now ...

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2014
12:45 PM

Post #9824294

Lots of things in germination Baggies , Basil mostly right now though ..

More from today outside .

iris Bud , Little Zinnia , red looking Salvia , Buckwheat sprouting up , and a penstemon .

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2014
3:41 PM

Post #9824483

More zinnia in a sprouter , About the third ? now ...Two more zinnia types to go !
Hopefully for a bloomin" nice summer ,, he he .. ^_^

There is problem though ,, My feet (and most of the rest of me ) are tired of digging ,, and chopping up sod clods ...

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 28, 2014
4:48 PM

Post #9824545

That is a problem, isn't it? Are you sprouting these seeds where you want them to end up in the garden? Are you making new beds where these are germinating? Seems like hard work to me, lol.

This is the first time I'm not trying to start a brand new bed, and what a nice relief! My newest areas were planted fairly heavily last fall, and a lot seems to have made it. Peony Bartzella, penstemon Rocky Mountain Blue, Veronica austriaca, Dracocephalum, pink Dictamnus -but not the baby Alba :-(, many, many TBI's, some Clematis and all the usual hardies are appearing. Platys, Mums, Salvia Azureum and a few others are still sleeping. But, big surprise, a couple of last year's Delphiniums made it. It looks like 1 D elatum and 1 D Bellamosum, very cool.
That I did not expect. They're not thought of as reliable around here.

There's plenty of room in my kitchen window now, and DH is out tonight. So off I go to get some planting done. Later...

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2014
5:01 PM

Post #9824556

Yes to a new area ,as a bed , I sprout them all in sprouter containers or baggies , Then when the bed is made . holes or furrows to drop the sprouts into . Once the zinnia finally made good seeds , and I have finally figured out how to clean them .
I have a dollar store bag filled with Zinnia mixed seeds..

I still have White to go .
I had about 5 kinds of Basil sprout last night , Most of this evening was working on them . Fennel in good Soil is Perennial here , the Bronze is coming up everywhere I will destroy most , Always keep a few though . The green is a 3 to 5 yr plant here , 3 most of the time , as for Dill and the Herbs , they are much the same as Zinnia , Meaning I have about until June 18 to plant them , and still get seeds and blooms .

White Wild Viola ; today

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2014
5:05 PM

Post #9824564

Following with I really like the earlier photo's of the garden and your plant setting ,, I have no room here for anything like that , so the sprouters it is .
My Blackberry lily and Robinson's red Mum , have not returned this year , don't know if they will now .

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 28, 2014
8:16 PM

Post #9824728

Think I may have lost my hydrangea - nothing showing yet. Hebe also. Lilacs are blooming though.

Porch is supposed to come down this summer; fingers tightly crossed.

Germination operation.

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 28, 2014
10:06 PM

Post #9824802

I'm sure my beautiful Hydrangea is just sleeping extra long...not expired.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 29, 2014
3:30 AM

Post #9824861

OK, so I finally did it:

I used the last of the GS Germinating mix, then switched to Espoma. It's not nearly as fine, lots of sticks, etc. Wonder if I'll get gnats... Saw some whitefly on the Nicotianas. Ugh! :-(((.

In 3oz cups: Dracocephalum maldevicum, Centaurea cynus Classic Fantastic, Zinnias Envy and Apricot Blush
In 4" pots: Cosmos Versailles Flush and Candy Stripe, Lisianthus Sapphire Blue Chip

DH got home just as I was finishing up, so I didn't soak the Sweet Peas. I'll get to it in the morning.

Still have lots more seeds, but plan to direct sow most. For the first time, I'm not moving everything in every bed, (did that last fall, lol), so direct sowing is an option.

While I was at it, I potted up Daucus carota Rubra (formerly Ammi majus) in Greenworld ASB Mix. I've been liking that a lot lately. I get it at the local nursery in CT.

Most of the tomatoes are in 5" pots in CT, the last couple are still in NY, to be given to DH's brother for his place in the Hamptons. I just potted them up, too.

I feel muuuuuch better!

Edited to correct name



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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2014
4:34 AM

Post #9824890

Go Pam!

Robin I'll try to keep the faith with you. :~)
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 29, 2014
6:59 AM

Post #9825049

This morning I realized that the windowsill that I had the propagator on is not going to be good for germination. The window is open a few inches, and this morning was quite cold. So I took out a small heating pad and put the whole setup on the floor by my chair.

Then I mixed up some hot water, peroxide, 2:1, and 1 drop of Superthrive and started soaking the Sweet Peas, 4 types. I'm weeks later than other years, I hope it's not too late! My most successful year I started them at the end of March, soaking, then Deno, and they bloomed beautifully. Last year, I got them going mid-April and they never bloomed at all. I may have had them in too much shade. This year, I'll make sure they get more light.

I'm still afraid to start them outside. Two years ago, I soaked them, then planted and put them in a Spring Sowing box. They never came up at all.

Nicotianas are getting huge, Lobelias beginning to look like something, all others just fine. Meanwhile, the Platycodon Astra Blues are starting to boom, and -surprise!-one is pink. Very pretty. :-)

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13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2014
9:34 AM

Post #9825202

Deno?

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

April 29, 2014
9:51 AM

Post #9825223

Aw thanks Robin, he is a treasure, that's for sure :))

Wow yes those ammi majus/ daucus carota are pretty.. The wild carrot (daucus pusilis)seed heads around here drive me crazy, the seeds are like Velcro and get stuck all through your socks.

Kathy, you don't know how many times I've googled a specific plant and the only reference I can find on the web is a thread I mentioned it on, or a link to the original source of my curiosity.

Pam you may have been a little later than you wanted to be, but sounds like you're caught up now!!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 29, 2014
1:29 PM

Post #9825402

Deno = Dr Norman Deno, Germination expert. Below are the main links to his work, including sites by others who simplify and/or expand on his work, easiest first. Many of us use his technique at least part of the time. It's a great space saver, and sometimes works where conventional methods are less successful. I refer to these databases sometimes but not always, mostly when I'm trying to figure out how to start perennials I haven't grown before.

Here is a site that explains the basic method in simple language:
http://theseedsite.co.uk

And here's the real thing, plus a huge database on line to download free, in 3 parts:

http://hdl.handle.net/10113/41278

First Supplement to Seed Germination: Theory and Practice
http://hdl.handle.net/10113/41279

Second Supplement to Seed Germination: Theory and Practice
http://hdl.handle.net/10113/41277

And another scientist with an expanded germination database, continuing Dr Deno's method:
http://tomclothier.hort.net

Happy reading-- but don't think you have to take it all in ;-). Just use what interests you.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2014
10:26 PM

Post #9825798

Oh, thank you Pam! I will go read some of it tonight. I lo-o-ove to read and learn.

And I love your platycodon. One of my favorites, and yours are blooming inside?!?

blomma

blomma
Casper, WY
(Zone 4a)

April 29, 2014
10:29 PM

Post #9825799

Pam,
that is where I learned the Deno method. I am glad to see that it is spreading along with the knowledge of stratification for hardy perennials.

Forgot to ask, are you planting the annual or the perennial Sweet Peas. Only the annual is the scented one. A memory from my childhood. I was in the hospital and Mom brought me a bouquet of Sweet Peas. They smelled so good. I meant to start them this year and completely forgot. Got my Datura purple, white, and my last 4 seeds of double yellow from Parks growing. I will only plant the yellow to keep the seeds pure. The others will go to my DD.

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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 29, 2014
10:46 PM

Post #9825802

Hi blomma, I keep waffling on growing datura. I have seeds, but it would be a first time for me. Why do you grow them, if I may ask?

Turtle

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

April 30, 2014
2:34 AM

Post #9825821

I'm not Blomma, but they have amazing fragrant blooms. Easy to grow from seed, mine reseed so I really don't *have* to start indoors. I have to site them carefully, usually in pots, because they're poisonous and I have dogs. I grow white, yellow, and purple every year.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 30, 2014
2:41 AM

Post #9825822

Thanks Celene :~)
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 30, 2014
2:55 AM

Post #9825825

I'm doing the La Fleur lilac this year. I like them in pots as accents. Our best sun is not near the house, so, sadly, we don't get to appreciate the fragrance, but they are still spectacular.

My Sweet Peas are annuals, Lathyrus odoratus. I have 4 kinds this year, yummy!

Blomma, I first learned about Deno from you... I use it for almost all perennials and many annuals, except for the smallest seeds. No more empty cells. It works great for Platys, which I had not been able to get started otherwise. Lupines and Datura, too. So many, many thanks!

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

April 30, 2014
3:00 AM

Post #9825826

Hmm, I replied to this thread. I thought! I wonder who is wondering at my total non sequitur of a post. I think, though, that I need to get to a real computer to download. No reading for me tonight. Maybe there'll be some actual sleeping, woohoo.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

April 30, 2014
7:43 AM

Post #9826007

Pfg, I Copied that info onto my microsoft memory. I remember some of those . Some I had not seen before . good info , is always great .
That was similar to when we would sprout seeds in bean sprouters when I was much younger , I always enjoy the info here though ,,

blomma

blomma
Casper, WY
(Zone 4a)

April 30, 2014
8:27 AM

Post #9826038

Hi Turtle,
Why do I grow Daturas? Photos speaks a thoursand words.

D. metel Yellow Ballerina" double from Parks Seeds
Datura inoxia
D. metel 'Purple Ballerina'
D. from saved seeds of the yellow dbl.

All are fragrant but the white more so. Only doing the dbl yellow for the seeds. I am low on stock.

Pam,
glad Deno works for you. Works great on Daylily seeds also. I grew La Fleur one year and was dissappointed in the flower. As far as I'm concerned, the 4 below are the only once worth growing.
My daughter grows only the white near her porchs.

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(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 30, 2014
8:54 AM

Post #9826059

They are all gorgeous! I had several packets of the white from different places, but the one I used was a dud. I got such good germination from the lilac, I decided that was enough for this year. I must say, that Purple Ballerina is spectacular. Maybe next year!
cytf
Staten Island, NY

April 30, 2014
9:06 AM

Post #9826070

Pfg its amazing how great your plants are doing by the window , especially the platycodons astra blue and pink. I will like to have some seeds for next year if you can spare them.I am having great luck with annual vincas I got 9 out of 12 that I sowed, and my zinnias are doing well too.All these seeds were saved from my garden last year.I can share vincas with you if you need some.

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

April 30, 2014
3:43 PM

Post #9826438

I'll be happy to send you seeds in the fall. Please remind me then by dmail. I have several varieties, all lovely.

Isn't it great when seeds do what we want, lol? I do looooove success!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 1, 2014
7:02 AM

Post #9826907

Wow last year I had a packet of datura seeds, sprouted them for the fun of it, and gave the whole flat of them to my gardener buddy since I heard they are poisonous. Since then, I've learned just how many plants are poisonous, and that doesn't scare me anymore. Might have to try them again, I had no idea there were so many different colors! And fragrant? Whaa? I had no idea, I'd only seen the standard angels trumpet..

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2014
10:21 AM

Post #9827078

I like those flowers , don't see them often here ,
I got to look at my little flowers a while ago , cold temperatures outside last night , and a few nights yet to happen , Is that I am pushing the limits ,
Seems most hot loving weather flowers , if they get three or four nice days and nights day 60's -70's nights upper 40's low 50's , ,
They take last nights 39 to 41 degrees ,but that is as low as they will tolerate ,
Some I don't have to worry about , poppies , lupine , onion types , all will take 20 degrees easily if a little hardened off , The why of) started outside with these later is always preferred .
Only talking a litt about re-learning and as I learn a few things , (real basic for most of you here , or to you ) Lots of experienced in these kind of threads .
Basil gets difficult to placing sometimes (for me) I know their an age old easy , but that to has a lot to do with who you are ... it counts ,,
I started a bunch of purple ruffles but their all green ,, so I take that they do not seed true (i've heard that a few times)..lol ? Dark opals are nice dark purple , sometimes I even get a giant leaf Basil from my seeds of these ,, I like it ...

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 1, 2014
11:59 AM

Post #9827165

Congrats on all the babies, Juhur! Basil SHOULD be easy, but I left mine outside in their tray, waiting to be potted up and the wind flipped them right over and killed all but two :(

My fault, I'm a bad mommy! Lol

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2014
12:15 PM

Post #9827177

Lol there ??? (Becky) Does that match , yes easy ,, As to who you are ? Every time Those one of those things happens ...
If I had the plants still growing , that every time the One of Those things Happened . The Amazon Rain Forest , comes to mind !!
It is though seriously , practice familiarity with a certain plant , that makes a lot of difference about growing .
Like peppers, I remember learning about from practice that they like more water and better earth than I was told to believe .. Although they do tolerate drought nicely , they like being watered ,

And , At least you won't be tried for being a bad parent about that !!! Except maybe from yourself , as to ,"" Why did I allow that to happen"" A thought , wit , that has run through me , far too , too , many times !!!
^_^
This year I seem to be having trouble getting tomatoes going (that is bad , very bad ) Last season I had fifteen plants and a tomato to eat before the last frost date happened here , this season , I will be lucky to see a tomato from the garden before July

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2014
12:27 PM

Post #9827185

Couple of the Pepper plants , should be deep red on the leaves , couple of them will when it is hotter , the green one on the right I won't let seed , to green .. Two that grew with dark red stems are my save the seeds ,
Background pot is a white pepper and purslane .

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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2014
2:04 PM

Post #9827246

D'you grow the purslane for eatin?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2014
2:15 PM

Post #9827258

13 Turtles ; Yep !!! Natural Omega 3 for this old fudd when I can get enough of it . Takes huge amounts to make good salad , I'm a gettin there though ..

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2014
2:26 PM

Post #9827266

Yeah, I can imagine it must take loads! And then you'll prolly want aNOTHer salad...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2014
2:36 PM

Post #9827274

I have a dry tray of seeds of the purslane , I started out picking it wild , Too much happens to it , about making sure it is clean enough eat .
Has to be really hot and dry to grow it properly , like cactus here , Starts out it likes it really wet and rather cool, then really dry and hot as it grows ,
I will put most of the seeds mixed with earth on a flat tray that has dried out , then before it rains a few days is when I will do that with the seeds , July August is best weather for them to grow .. Hot weather plant to the extreme ..
Ended last year with three or four plants of this growing in a hanging basket of all things ..

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2014
2:49 PM

Post #9827288

Oh cool,I like the hanging basket image I get.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 1, 2014
3:10 PM

Post #9827309

The way they are it would of looked better with a dozen or so them ,,
For the time being I'm working on getting the Annuals in and the digging gets to me ,
My most frequent idea is putting a couple pvc long handles on branch pruners , as they cut up sod dirt clods pretty good and with other garden stems ,I can throw it all down in front of me and chop it all up with out having to bend to mix and weed and all that ,
Anything I can try to make easier that I am doing by hand , I will LOL ^_^
I can take anything except a backache , even a migraine (the few I have had ) aren't as bad as a backache to me .
And really , there is no reason to ache from gardening , none at all , we have about every device there is , to avoid them aches and pains . To Me there is nothing like a good Digging fork and lots of ideas !lol

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 1, 2014
6:35 PM

Post #9827448

Ah yes, the ideas! Would a sand/gravel underlayment tamper help? I'm thinking a 5" disc on several stout handles, long ones. How about something like that with 2" nails protruding? I'm making this up on the spot because I have the opposite needs. I can only do things kneeling --we should ship our tasks back and forth. I'll take the low, you take the high.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 1, 2014
9:05 PM

Post #9827584

Y'all are too funny with the highs and lows and gadgets. LOL amazon rainforest is right!! Familiarity is good advice, I already have a good feel for the salvias now that I've dealt with quite a few, both established and from seed, but this is my first year growing any veggies aside from pole beans. Well I did TRY last year and failed miserably so.. that doesn't count! Hehe

I learned the hard way with peppers, they don't like sitting in peat starter cells too long, they like to be potted up quick and watered often or they get floppy.. See I'm learning! One day I'll have them to a science like you, btw can't wait to start those 'black pearl' seeds you put in the robin!

Purslane is one of those lawn weeds that's just starting to show for me this year, I'll do them like last year.. when they form small rosettes, I'll transfer them to the outside border of my raised bed. Then a coupes times a week, I'll invert the little "cups" of seeds from each faded bloom, into a solo cup and when I'm done collecting, I scatter them right back onto the ground to fill in the blank spots until the whole perimeter of the bed is thick with purslane. You can also break off stems and stick them straight into the dirt to propagate more! Even works in heavy clay! I do seriously love plants this easy, aaaand it's tasty and healthy, can't go wrong :))

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

May 2, 2014
5:10 AM

Post #9827692

Purslane is such a weedy thing here, I wish I liked it. Compost pile loves it.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 2, 2014
7:53 AM

Post #9827817

Cosmos are up already. They started showing the other day and are now full blast and under the lights.. Zinnias and the test are just beginning to come. Nothing yet from the Sweet a Peas, it's too soon, but maybe by the time I get back after the weekend something will happen.

Meanwhile, it's great to hear about what you all are doing. Purslane? Sounds good!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
11:39 AM

Post #9827969

Here's some Mustard , Brassica Nigra , The Cabbage White favorite food .
Hopefully they stay away from my Brussel sprouts, Kale and cabbage .

Well weeds I can still grow ,,, Like see Mom !!!lol ^_^ Kind of like the Dandelion growing ,,lol
First is a day ago
These other two are lunch time today ..
last is seeds in the towel and Baggie

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
12:06 PM

Post #9828016

Here's some playing with zinnia , these have taken a night as cold as 36 degrees , sprouts are tough with that three or four day chance to adjust , and it seems they harden off much quicker than the usual potted . ( might have to do with my own seeds from adaptation )
Some of these were set as a sprout others the larger ones were plugged in #4, The difference earth makes is clear ,
The other the fall started Feverfew#5 , from seeds .. Zoom ,, and this might possibly become a yard run down invasive , it's growing ^_^

I should of added , it is great doing seeds and sprouts this way ,, , here is the but , always there right ? lol
Cats , dogs , ground Hogs and various Rodents or the occasional Nightcrawler or Ants that develop a taste for a particular type of sprout or seedling can make this useless ,, in a blink , any of those , and all gone , zoom , !!!

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
12:28 PM

Post #9828038

13 Turtles if you have the room to sit , (I don't always ) you could use standard handle size ,
Loppers is what most call the pruners I am referring to ,
They cut up sod clods and cultivate pretty good , when you think it is not what they were made for ,,

badcat

badcat
BELLEVILLE, IL
(Zone 6b)

May 2, 2014
12:58 PM

Post #9828064

Sir..whats wrong with cats in your garden!?!?! lol jk. Long time ago my dad asked me for loppers..I thought I was lookin for a rabbit! bahaha

Anyways, i have more seed going as of yesterday from the seed swap. Iv direct sowed a mess of veg seed and so far my sw corn, radishes, red onions and carrots are coming up. Im a happy camper thus far :D

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
1:18 PM

Post #9828075

Lol Badcat , Nothing is wrong with any of those , What they leave BEHIND if anything is the "wrong "...^_^
Man it is cold here ... cold wind , cold air , of course in a few days 80 degrees and too hot , what else ,, lol

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 2, 2014
3:49 PM

Post #9828231

Hey, good idea juhur, I hadn't thought of that. I can't actually sit on the ground either, only kneel - which doesn't seem like a fair deal but I wasn't asked for my opinion. I do have a Japanese style knife with which I can dig out sod, but your idea sounds actually relaxing! Maybe I can find or rig up some kind of low stool with a tall handle, for moving it along. I do have a quad cane...

Hey I think I gave a discarded pair of loppers too; alrighty then. Thanks!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 2, 2014
5:14 PM

Post #9828312

Pam I can't wait I see your cosmos, I never grow them but whenever I see them blooming I wonder why I don't! So pretty!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
6:54 PM

Post #9828420

13 Turtles you actually gave me the idea of until I do the handle , there are a couple places I can drag around a chair , and use the loppers as they are .
Amazing sometimes , what I am looking at and not seeing .. thesis and theory studies ? lol?


Indeed Pfg , the cosmos are fun I have not had any in a few years , but some years the tall ones , one year there were a couple of large white blooms , nice flower ! Good hopes to you with yours ..


SWPD (Becky) already beyond us with the Purslane Eh , One of those little goodies you have really been growing for years ,, knew all along and were just now catching up ?



13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 2, 2014
7:17 PM

Post #9828432

Oh, a chair. : a stool with a handle. Sheesh

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 2, 2014
7:26 PM

Post #9828438

Ha Ju, hardly! I got a hanging basket of very colorful portulaca as a Mother's Day gift 2011 and the grasshoppers kept nipping off stems, so I tried sticking the broken pieces in soil, and it worked. They took root very easily. The next year I thought it had reseeded in a few places around the yard, so I started digging it up and putting it around my new raised bed. Turned out to be the wild variety and google told me it was edible. I wonder if maybe the pretty cultivar reverted?

Would I go out of my way to plant it? Nope. That's the beauty of forage food, it finds you! And there's something strangely satisfying about eating food staight from nature. I feel like I'm celebrating my ancestors past when I pick and eat something from the wild the way they had to in order to simply survive. Plus, the little flowers are actually pretty and I like to pull the little seed cups off and spill them over, I'm easily amused.. LOL ok I'm done blabbering!

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
7:36 PM

Post #9828445

13 Turtles However ^_^.. I just got thru cubing sprouts ,, Some have gotten a little stringy in here , too cold the yesterday and today , Hopefully outside tomorrow , and plant .. otherwise I am stuck with potting up ,, which I do not want to do ,
In case no one guessed I am one lazy (gardener ?) I am not good at dealing with ins and outs of potted up seedlings , I kill dozens that way ..
one day I will get to the Beans ,,, red noodle for ants , green types for me ,, Somewhere the cucumbers are going to have to come into this idea of planting ,
I also have two Giant Squash Pumpkin seeds that have sprouted , that have to be planted ,
I seem to be getting along with most everything this year except my tomato starts , usually it is the other way around .. oh . well
I better quit now before I go on singing about plants and the weather ,,, I get silly , I sure do ,,
^_^

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
7:41 PM

Post #9828450

SWPD (Becky) the Crosspost ,, Ancestor's Hmmm Gardening from the Cave ! lol ^_^
We could have a contest about Who's Blabbering !!!
Only I never learned how to tell my hand to be quiet ,, lol It gets that way ,,,

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 2, 2014
7:56 PM

Post #9828459

LOL!

I too wondering about my cukes, which are starting on their true leaves. I've got them in half gallon pots. But the red noodles are for the ants? I've never grown them but I've got seeds. Do you move the beans after they sprout?

I have the same feeling Becky. I totally love it.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 2, 2014
8:19 PM

Post #9828481

Beans are not to finicky about temperature (most of them) , I try with success as often as not with planting them as sprouts , usually though , it is safer to keep them in cups or pots until their leaves have fully formed , Everything eats the new sprout leaves here ..
I hear the Red Noodle Beans are a Ant Magnet ,, I have grown a few plants that were ,
Ants like beans Anyway and as I don't know for sure , we will find out together ,
I have grown a lot of Beans , not this particular this type though , That is why the wait , not sure ,

blomma

blomma
Casper, WY
(Zone 4a)

May 2, 2014
9:52 PM

Post #9828511

The only comfortable way to get down to weed's level is on my knees that are protected with knee pads. Or, on a foam knee pad.

My DD grows the mixed colored Cosmos. They are so pretty and self sows.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 2, 2014
10:46 PM

Post #9828527

Gotcha on the beans.

Yeah blomma, sometimes I think I've gone and paved my paths with from pads.
cytf
Staten Island, NY

May 3, 2014
3:09 PM

Post #9829021

My vegetables and flower seedling are ready to be hardened off since the temps will be in the high sixties beginning tomorrow. I will be opening up the winter sowed milk jugs too . I had to put some rocks around my 11lilies today so those buster squirrels will not be able to dig them up because I saw sign of them in the garden beds.






Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 4, 2014
7:30 PM

Post #9830060

Today was the beginning of the payoff for all the fiddling around this winter. I planted some Lupine and Campanula oyramidalis seedlings in the garden after hardening them off for a few days under a frost blanket, then leaving them uncovered over night. Temps are supposed to be mild during the week, and their counterparts in the garden are actively growing, so finally 'it's the season.

I also planted a whole slew of perennials from Bluestone, ordered a few at a time on their Friday 50% specials. Thanks to all the newspaper I put down under mulch last year, only a few areas needed serious weeding. Yippee!!!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 4, 2014
8:00 PM

Post #9830101

Nice not to have to weed anymore than you have too !
Weather being nice is good ,, I have two iris with names , dark towers penstemon , Burgundy Gailardia .Milkshake Echinacea , and a small Coronation Gold Yarrow . Of many more plants , those are the only named plants that returned this year , very disappointing so far .
However on the up side of things , A little more that a Dozen Salvia are doing well and about 1,000 Zinnia should give me blooms to feel better about .
Lupines might bloom this year , which also is delightful .. Warm environment here for the Wild blue Species , Happy I am that they grow here at all !
Starting on my cucumbers today then got a headache and had to sit a while , by then it was dark and I still did not get to the beans .
Animals are causing a little difficulty but not bad , their hungry also ..
All things being , A good time in the garden usually results ,, The Darker color Red Admiral Butterflies are showing , little early for the first summer brood , but that too is nice to see , maybe a larger brood later this summer for something more to enjoy ..
Black Mustard for Cabbage white and alfalfa for orange Sulpher Butterflies really means I am being an environmental terrorist to most gardening folks , but hey , I can't behave myself all the time ,,lol

evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 4, 2014
9:58 PM

Post #9830150

[quote="Pfg"]...I also planted a whole slew of perennials from Bluestone, ordered a few at a time on their Friday 50% specials... Yippee!!![/quote]

Wow, Pam! I did the same thing. I was even sneakier than my usual self...last year they had gift certificates for 20% off, so I paid $80.00 for a $100.00 one.

Then I got for my first 50% off, ($200.00's worth) $100.00's worth and then they sent me a $5.00 off coupon and got to use that as well. I did have to pay postage, but worth it. Then, I saw another small batch of 50% off, and used another $5.00 coupon. If I thought that I would find anything more, I might have waited and saved on postage...so they sent me another $5.00 coupon...just in case, probably not...

I have been weeding like crazy...I did not put newspaper under mulch. I should have done that when I moved the "hot bed" into the fenced garden area. Now, at least, the deer won't eat them.

Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 5, 2014
2:37 AM

Post #9830183

The newspaper is time consuming, but what a difference! Where I put only a couple of sheets, it's completely gone. In some places I used much more- under shrubs, edges, etc- and it's still there. I had one really bad mess of Celandine, nasty deep, stubborn roots, but otherwise it's remarkably clean, just a little patch here and there.

Oh, happy spring, springing at last!

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

May 5, 2014
6:03 AM

Post #9830267

I use flattened cardboard boxes from work, that normally will squish the life out of all but the most recalicitrant weeds. Like Grandpa Ott's morning glory or Bamboo.

I'm planting some of my baby perennials, none of the WS stuff is ready yet, but the plants I started indoors are raring to go. lol I planted some campanulas, sedums, symphandra, kenilworth ivy, and heuchera yesterday.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 5, 2014
6:46 AM

Post #9830323

Those darn Bluestone Perennials 50% off emails have been teasing me too!! Like a sirens song! I haven't bought a single thing though, husband would literally kill me if he caught me spending money on more plants when my back deck has so many homeless plants as it is! :(

Cytf, your sixty degree temps sound great, it's been nineties here ugh.. Wish I didn't have to water so often. The neighbors drive by and stare since we're in stage 2 drought and some don't know we are on a well. I dare them to tattle on me! LOL! And squirrels eat lily bulbs? I had no idea..

Pam, you finally get to play in the dirt!! Yippee!! I wonder, do you think old mail order catalogs would work as weedblock the way you use it? I don't like sending them to the landfill, and they have chemicals in them that I don't want in my compost heap, but since I don't eat from my flowerbeds, I wonder if they'd be safe to use in there? Maybe I'll try it where grass keeps creeping through the rock border in my newest beds.

Celene how long do you wait for the heuchera until planting out or potting up? Mine are still so tiny, some may not be able to spot them, but I have an eagle eye for seedlings anymore! Also do you plan on keeping your unsprouted WS jugs very long after most are planted out? Like to see if they wake up eventually?

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 5, 2014
9:07 AM

Post #9830435

Hi... been busy cleaning the garden and digging things for sale and trading... Now I'll have to go back thru and weed the whole thing... Anyway...we had such terrible winds the other day, or should I say 3 days... 60-70mph. Crud...blew my plastic loose from my makeshift greenhouse..it was open at the top and I ended up loosing most all my tomatoes. Had almost a 100..now icky sticks. So much for that effort... am thinking I might end up with 2 or 3... And then there are soo many other things that were lost. IJOIHUVYGYTFYGVOIBNOIJOIO!

Been seeding annuals and will have many Zinnias (3 colors so far), Salvia Victoria, Alyssum (2 colors), Osteospurmum (2 colors). (I will have more than 100 of each variety and or color) Still waiting for some to pop up and show their happy little selves...lol. Sorry just have to be positive since I lost soo many of the things I started over the winter. Crud!!!! LOL..ok, back to being nice now that that's out of my system. Rain due on Wed and Thurs so I'll be inside seeding more annuals to take the place of the perenns that didn't make it thru the winter in the back yard. Also been digging and dividing and potting things up for Garden Club, trading and what's left over I'lll plant in the back... But atleast I'll have my annuals to fill in if I can seed enough of them...glad I did a bazillion of the Nicotianas too... Ok, I vented...now I need to gete back to the garden...still have to do weeding and there are a bunch... lol. 'Spose to be almost 80 here today... Later all...Kathy

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 5, 2014
12:42 PM

Post #9830632

Oh Kathy, how dismaying! I'm sorry! Wish I could send you some of my tomato seedlings. :~(
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 5, 2014
12:54 PM

Post #9830637

Oh, Kathy! I know what you mean. I was ill a few days ago and lost several plants due to lack of water...alll that work. I usually lose quite a few over the winter, as my health is not stable.

Still, I am glad that I did it since I have quite a few seedlings left. The tomatoes that were in the basement seem to be the best, since they were not subject to wind or sunshine.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2014
1:00 PM

Post #9830641

Cut down a Mulberry tree , Made a bean tower , Still only looking at most to be done , Someday I will get there ,
Sounds like everyone is busy , at the ready to go again in the garden with another season .
Be back ,
cytf
Staten Island, NY

May 5, 2014
3:08 PM

Post #9830743

I opened up my WS milk jug of Pansies today they look so healthy so I left it exposed to the weather so I can transplant them out soon. StillPlaysWDirt the squirrels loves to dig all over imy garden so I have to protect my plants with rocks since he cannot move the rocks. lol
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 5, 2014
3:59 PM

Post #9830795

Oh Kathy, I'm so sorry!!! After all that hard work... Grrrrrrrrrrr!!! I'll dmail you later...

As usual, we left n a rush to get back to the city-- never enough time! We won't be back until Sunday afternoon, nearly a week away, and I don't have my outdoor covered stand with the self-watering trays any more. Very little rain predicted while we're gone, so I'm worried about the plants that are hardened off but still in small pots. I heeled in the
big Salvias, peeled off the sides of the Bluestone coir pots so they won't wick the moisture away from the roots and buried the rest, sank the 2.5" plastic pots almost up to the top, watered and mulched a little. That should do it.

But next week I think I'd better get the hoses hooked up and the irrigation at last available, even if I don't actually use it for a few more weeks.

Meanwhile, in NY, the Cosmos, Zinnias, Annual Centaurea are up. Lisianthus is up but quite sparse, and Sweet Peas are just beginning to crack in the Deno baggies.

Whew!

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 5, 2014
4:35 PM

Post #9830822

Kathy ~ Do you need any tomato seedlings? Those are what I have the most of.

Evelyn

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 5, 2014
4:39 PM

Post #9830826

Evelyn in the garden, it sounds like they can be shipped? If so then I do have extras I would happily pass on. Let us know Kathy.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 5, 2014
5:32 PM

Post #9830857

A few tomato seedlings Late this year , June 1st before it is really safe outside here , About three weeks to catch up
These are Big Rainbow , I am a little better at Heirlooms ..

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 6, 2014
4:55 PM

Post #9831684

Okay , everybody left , at the Tomato fail huh , almost an lol there?
Today I dug a 12 x 12 bed space and put cucumber lean to across it
planted some Crackerjack marigolds outside . the remainder of the Buckwheat sprouts .
My Basil seedlings are all dying off , I'm unhappy with that , long season plant here , takes some time to get seeds , Always have stand by seeds though .. lol
Started some Celosia seeds , planted a White Bell Pepper outside today .
Still have about a dozen baggie's of Deno going ,
Snapdragons another named Alba , bunches of little sprouts and a lone Anthemis doing well .
I dug it too much this evening ,, I should see lots of annual blooms sometime this year ,
and the Iris are going to bloom prolific ,,
All kinds of this off to real slow start for me here .. I do have a giant pumpkin up outside , saying "Hi There"
This season I cannot seem to use all the years to grow plants , it has escaped me ,, interesting but foreboding ,, hmmmm.

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

May 6, 2014
6:05 PM

Post #9831747

SPWD, I wintersow in flats, so my seedlings stay there till I can plant them out. I have some Calendula, rhubarb, salvia and other WS plantlets that are getting close to planting, though.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 6, 2014
9:07 PM

Post #9831942

In the late morning I planted a few things...some white caladium, trifolium repens 'atropurpurea'...picked some peas...then...

We had cold and windy for most of the day with dark clouds...then came the hail!! WOW! I ran in to get my jacket with the hood, then went to cover the tomatoes and then bring in the small seedlings hardening off outdoors, threw them (no, placed them...) in the wheelbarrow, then dashed into the front door to get the garage door opener, dashed into the basement with the wheelbarrow and put them back on their light shelves.

I was drenched!

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 7, 2014
12:05 AM

Post #9831976

Oh my goodness. Surprise! Dashing through the hail... I haven't planted out anything from the indoor germination ranks because I keep expecting something like that here, but I bet you weren't. I hope everything survived.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 7, 2014
7:53 AM

Post #9832181

Wow Evelyn, that's not typical for CA is it? Sounds like you moved like lightning, hope your babies survived!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 7, 2014
10:19 AM

Post #9832292

Anyone notice the headlines today? Climate change is officially here. Crazy storms are part of it... I think we've all seen that recently, yes?
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 7, 2014
10:57 AM

Post #9832328

Climate change? Have we ever had consistent climate?
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 7, 2014
1:01 PM

Post #9832422

True, Robin. I do not remember anything consistent with the weather here...it is ALWAYS CHANGING!!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 7, 2014
1:37 PM

Post #9832438

Lol...Evelyn, I read an ancient geologist article stating they found fauna fossils in Iceland that was definitely tropical (before the glacial deep freeze of course)! More evidence released more recently concurs fossilized Palm Trees in Antarctica via ice core samples.

Just waiting for my tropical paradise to move into Michigan...and waiting...
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 7, 2014
9:32 PM

Post #9832787

When I first moved here from southern CA, it was 40 degrees for months at a time. It was the coldest place I ever moved to. The snow would melt during the day, a little, then freeze again at night. Slippery commuting in those days during the winter.

Now, when it snows, it is gone the next day, or the following one for sure. This year we barely had any rain or snow. Now we are getting some, but it will not make up for the loss in moisture over the fall and winter, when it gets stored in the Sierras...then melts all spring and summer to give water to CA.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 8, 2014
7:13 AM

Post #9833014

Talking about snow...I got 2 1/2" overnight and more expected on Mother's Day... I didn't cover babies that got moved outside this past week...so I'll have to see what made it.. Darn!!!! Am thinking I should give up on my babies this year, except those that are still inside yet... Phooey! Think I'll spend the day seeding as many annuals as I can!! Last frost date is suppose to be Mother's Day, not this year...

Thanks for the offers on the 'maters but I can get some from a gal at Garden Club, will just trade her something for them...just won't have them this year to share with family and friends!!! Will spend the day seeding more annuals. Not even sure what of the perens will make it thru this mess. (seedlings).. I know, there's always next year... And I didn't cover my flats cuz it wasn't suppose to get that cold... Fooled me!!!! Guess I should keep dividing my perenns in the garden..
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2014
7:25 AM

Post #9833024

If only we could trade elements...moisture for heat, we can even this place out a little more to our liking. I am really good at dreaming!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2014
7:28 AM

Post #9833027

Kathy, so sorry you're going through such a tough time with your seedlings...all that work...argh.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 8, 2014
7:34 AM

Post #9833033

Ya, I know...sniff..sniff! And not to mention the elec bill for running the lights...Just hoping some of the perenns on the porch made it... I'll go out later when it warms a bit and melts off the snow so I can cover what's left alive with a frost blanket.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2014
8:41 AM

Post #9833069

Man that is terrible Kathy , I have been there , a few seasons ago it did that here , dropped ten or 12 degrees colder than was it was suppose to ,

We had a full month this winter were it never got above 10 degrees , cold nights way down in minus , Teaches real fast what the toughest plants are ,

Kathy; Here's something that might cheer you up , once one of your potato chips , now one of my potato chips , lol never enough !
wind in the way a little

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 8, 2014
9:45 AM

Post #9833135

lol, thanks... did you smell that one? It's wonderful! I only had just begun bloom on the dwarfs last Sunday and I'm guessing they are poof now...but still have buds, so fingers are crossed and hope to get more!!!!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2014
9:55 AM

Post #9833142

Kathy ; I was outside working on a lawnmower a few minutes (minutes?) uh huh .. lol
Light nose plug sniffle and the oil , besides the flower odor of most . I could not notice a fragrance , and the wind is pretty strong today , hinders that also .
There are about four blooms on two canes of this this plant so more blooms to come .
This one about three feet tall , the old fashioned German type .. (well nearer Siberian this one)
Dwarfs here are holding back , (who knows?)

I forgot


Granny is walking past them saying OOH !!! purple Iris and purple tulips ,, How Pretty Those Look !!!
and me as to you were the one that was explaining to me a while ago about German and Siberian Iris and the difference ,,, sooo you already knew that !!!
I finally got one of the Centaurea Scabiosa to grow , Man those those were diff from seed , it is getting ready to bloom ,, Blackberry lilly and Robinson's red mum are a no show ,, oops ..
How are the Cuttings , any better than your baby seed luck ,, I hope ..





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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 8, 2014
7:19 PM

Post #9833692

Yup, their still in the grnhs area and ALIVE...yeah!!! I haven't checked to see if there are any roots yet, but most have some leaves...am thinking maybe 3 or 4 ish don't have anything happening yet... I did make it out there today and covered up the annuals that are still alive, most ot the cuttings and my potted up (new Peonies are all looking good).

My neighbor called this pm to let me know that our road is closed...first time in seven years that I've lived here... Not sure how much rain we got before the snow arrived over night. She was saying that there were cars all over the road stuck and arrived home this pm to find the sign blocking the road. And they are calling for more rain on Sat and then a mix on Sunday... Called my daughter and let her know someone may have to come pick me up on Mother's Day with a 4 wheel drive or just skip it this year...LOL...Yikes, it's suppose to be planting time!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2014
7:39 PM

Post #9833710

That is great to hear Kathy !!! ^_^ I was sooo Disappointed when the did not make it before .. All the nice gifts from you , and then What I sent had mostly failed ,, I came pretty close to feeling like a real heel ...lol
Now the Bad News ,, The Native Black Cherry seeds (I sent you some ) I had tried to wintersow , have not germinated (I'm a little worried )
Yes this weather is Goofy to extreme !!! (almost 90 again here today) next week back to 40's ??? wow ... It ain't fair !!!
I have Snapdragons
Celosia Echinacea False Nettle and lots of tiny Basil . Most of these cold not a problem, But the extremes of hot and cold are !
Titan sunflowers Germinated last night with my beans ..
Once again ,, I feel good for you the cuttings are doing well .. big time BAD about the seedlings I feel that way about my no shows ..
Back later .. oh the Tulips..

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2014
9:14 PM

Post #9833798

Are those Tulips blue Ju or are you a photoshop trickster?

blomma

blomma
Casper, WY
(Zone 4a)

May 8, 2014
9:18 PM

Post #9833801

Kathy, you and I are in the same boat. Snow this am. then sun, It is 34 degrees as I write. Brought in my Daturas from my shed yesterday as it was close to freezing temp. Leave wilted but perked up in the house. A flat of DL seedling I left there for lack of room in the house. I had 2, 3x3 ft windows ordered with my shed so plenty of sunlight. They face south. But no heat at night
Tomorrow and Saturday cloudy, Sunday rain/snow Geeze!!

I think you had it worse than I here in Casper.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 8, 2014
9:25 PM

Post #9833803

Blomma, I sure feel for you and Kathy. You girls deserve a break (I'll put in an order for ya).
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 8, 2014
9:29 PM

Post #9833805

We had a frost warning this week, but nothing looked what you two are getting. Crazy!

I think I finally hit on the right combination of mixes and fert - everything is growing like gangbusters. Only a few more weeks until they all go out... And none too soon for me, I'm ready to get them all out of here. Enough, already! Scram! Shoo!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
2:11 AM

Post #9833844

Mipii The Tulips have some blue but that is how the light reflected back ,, Not a trickster on purpose ,, the tulips are a rose purple , changing to a darker purple as they open with fringe ..


To say good morning ;

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
8:24 AM

Post #9834072

They still sound beautiful...and different! Do they have a name? Those Iris are up awfully early (in more ways than one), we don't have any in bloom yet. Very pretty though.

For the record Ju, my gut says you're the exact opposite of a trickster. Your sense of humor invites/injects playfulness in others!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 9, 2014
9:03 AM

Post #9834099

blomma.. not sure what your expecting up your way.. here the mountains will get up to 24" and most of the ski resorts have already closed for the year but they may change their minds and reopen, which they've done in the past... Here where I am they have updated this morning to 4-9" in my area (south of Denver) on Sunday. It will start as rain and then change to snow by midmorning. Will try to get out later today, gotta go to the mailbox as a package is due with plants... If I make it out willl head up to Denver as the Denver Botanic Gardens sale start today...lol, how bad is that... (up, refers to driving north...cuz actually I'll be heading down in elevation...lol... I know confusing...)

Pretty Iris Juhur, so far only have dwarfs in bloom, or maybe I should say were in bloom, will have to go out and see what didn't get frozen... I'm a 6b but it's the difference in elevation I believe...my TBI won't be until e. June yet... I'm having garden tour on June 8th so hope most will be in bloom...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
11:25 AM

Post #9834219

Mipii ' Muave purple Desert prince is as near as I can remember I went through trying to remember the name , and it ende in a now crashed com file ,,,

Further about the humor ;; It is all way to serious for me , lol

Good grief Kathy , all that and Snow too ! oh well Skiing in June , good for business , bad for gardening ,,
Denver Botanic Gardens , I was driving through , riding through actually the interstate and saw the Sign to there once ,,So I can say I've been close enough to see the signs ,,lol I actually did a science paper once as a youngster from there ,, really though , i just enjoyed plants !

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
2:55 PM

Post #9834382

Here's some this evening ;
Mipii ) Robin ' as near as to "real" with the Tulips as I can .
Baby Watermelons ; coming up in the Garden'
Since this is a seed Germination thread ,lol and one of the Babies still has it's seed "coat" on ! Must be feeling kind of cold or something still ... he , he
Sprouter full of celosia ..
Next few weeks I will still be Plug- n along .. lol ..he he ..

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
4:31 PM

Post #9834436

Wow, that's a big difference...like night and day, lol! They're still pretty. Did you sow watermelon in gravel?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
4:42 PM

Post #9834456

Yes that evening light is different , , would make a nice greeting card cover for those who like scrapbooking .. Mothers day , or relationship celebrations ,maybe ?
That is Sand&Gravel in two larger size tires , tires a couple levels deep , sitting on stone and rock pile way underneath ..
Yes these two were sown .in place , in the garden , in the The Gravel ,, It stays wet about 6inches down this time of year , and the tires get Hot in the Sun ... Solar watermelon bed ..
The secret , if any ,, is it is to difficult for a couple watermelons ,,
wears me down making the bed ,
Matches my Adolescent mind and Humor though ...lol ^_^ (that is an "age: "old" joke though

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 9, 2014
5:15 PM

Post #9834485

Kathy I feel for you :(
Wish we lived closer, you could foster mom all my orphan seedlings! Glad you belong to a gardening group, I'm sure they'll take great care of you :)

Celene, sorry I always forget you WS in flats. It's a great idea honestly I may do it that way next year if I can score free lidded flats.

Evelyn what a trip, the weather you're getting! I just wish this drought would end, I'm ready to go out and start doing a rain dance LOL

Oooh pretty pretty flowers Juhur, keep them coming, bet you're happy things aren't only just green now huh? Old ma nature is finally adding some color to your neck of the woods :D
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
8:39 PM

Post #9834666

Solar watermelon bed huh, that sounds like a good trick. What else have you sown in them?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
8:56 PM

Post #9834673

Mipii Awwww Be nice now , it's my first one , ... lol
I have had three watermelons that were right in about a 10 years ,
Had a couple hog melons near 200 pds .
My moon &stars , all kinds of smaller 8 to 10 pounders .
Maybe if I do another , I will try peppers in there , unless I decide to replace it all and grow watermelons again ,, too , too , tiring (he , he ) to think about .
I had made a greenhouse ,cold frame cover ,but it blocked the tire heating up . so undid that .
I am really unhappy about my butterfly weed not returning , 5 years old and maturing really nice it was , I have one small one remaining and huge empty space in my front garden Grrrrrr!!!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
9:21 PM

Post #9834684

Here we go !I had this gizmo made up , and was using this to start with , it actually blocked the heat though , oh well, back to the drawing board .


Marigold shortly ,,to have a companion plant ..

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
9:52 PM

Post #9834696

No Ju, really, that's pretty inventive! I'm honored to have met you and your spinning brain cells. There's always a method to your madness (so to speak). I can see how it'd work. It might even work for zone pushing. That's exciting!

Did your first one reflect the heat?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 9, 2014
10:04 PM

Post #9834698

I'm not to sure what it was doing , not warm outside or inside in the Sun , So I presume the cover was dispersing the heat collection somehow ,,

My long term ,,lol is this ,, double pane , from ironed plastic , stapled to the frame , and painted ,, windows for coldframe or greenhouse
Darn thing is ,, figuring out how to do about 8,000 of these real quick like ,, I will be a while at this one ,,
I have about eight or ten of them made ,,clean , iron , staple , paint , seal , it takes a while ..
I came back to say thank you Robin , About a three or four way convo going on ,my way , I liked your light , coldframe project also !!! ,,
I got this way from making WW1 airplane reproductions from cereal boxes as a youngster ,, that's what happened ! lol really ,, it's a potato chip thing !!! ^_^
I planted today because it was suppose to rain , none so far ,,, it has all gone crazy ,, even fooling the radar system ,, hmmmm???

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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 10, 2014
3:18 AM

Post #9834755

We've collected shower doors.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2014
8:26 AM

Post #9834952

Cool Ju, It was Turtles13 that built the light project. I just built some shelves to harden off seedlings, still got to take some pictures. I am planning to build both a cold frame and a shelving/light system to germinate/grow.

Turtles, shower doors...wicked smart if you can go that large! Honey has to grant me turf, he's been so great/supportive so far.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 10, 2014
1:40 PM

Post #9835160

Go for the first down, robin! A few yards at a time, so to speak.

Right now the shower doors are going to be teepee'd over sections of the new raised bed. What I find funny is that DC will only accept doors with the same glass in them. Eventually they are meant to become a roof of sorts over my gardening work area, with hopefully a greenhouse setup.

Thanks for the attribution of the lights, that was sweet.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2014
6:08 PM

Post #9835321

You're welcome, thanks for showing me how to build them. I first thought of a cold frame with the shower doors and then realized greenhouse because you're collecting them. I like the idea...a lot!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2014
6:25 PM

Post #9835336

More babies : Neat ideas about these threads ,,I am looking for polyvinyl square tubing to use for the junk windows , can add tubing for a heating system to the little windows if I manage to do that . besides it is better than wood ,,, you know rot away thing ...

#5 is white swan Echinacea ,, few dropped after sprouting in winter sow , these went dormant and in a cooler place are sprouting now ^_^
False nettle, celosia , tomatoes , late is better than never ?

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(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2014
6:30 PM

Post #9835340

LOTS of sprouts Ju, you're rolling very nicely along. Yes, many good ideas on these threads. A big thanks to all that share.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2014
6:41 PM

Post #9835349

yes indeed and more ;
Zinnia
Salvia
pumpkin (giant )
snapdragons
Baby milkweed

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 10, 2014
6:46 PM

Post #9835353

weed thing ; stinging nettle with Red Admiral ,,, Nothing like caterpillars in the tea ! ^_^
A little green worm thing ,,

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 10, 2014
6:58 PM

Post #9835362

Shower doors! Yes how clever is that?? I love it :)

Ju all those seedlings, you don't miss a beat!

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 10, 2014
9:10 PM

Post #9835460

Thank you, but actually we saw it as a patio covering here at Bring Recycling.

But I do/will have two

Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

May 11, 2014
9:54 AM

Post #9835812

I am potting up the last big batch of Deno'd seedlings. Morning glories and assorted Ipomoeas and related vines, pumpkins, melons, cucumbers, squash, and beans.

Got up early to bake batches of cookies to send to MIL.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 11, 2014
1:13 PM

Post #9835970

Oh good grief. There was more to that post, sigh.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 11, 2014
1:28 PM

Post #9835979

Sounds as that someone is having a Happy Mother's Day .
With someone else being Frustrated some ..


Happy Mother's Day ) all of you . here's the Flowers

Little warm outside today ,

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13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 11, 2014
5:10 PM

Post #9836271

Aww, juhur, thanks for the pretty flowers. They're the first I've ever gotten for Mother's Day! (I didn't have children.)

I'll repost the disappeared one later, in case anybody is hanging on the edge of their seat.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 11, 2014
5:24 PM

Post #9836279

I am still doing the cube thing , no planting today except a pepper plant . My back is sore and it is Sunday ,, ahhh Relax ...
The cube thing and some fill of plants grown from seed
Catnip
hollyhock
cubes of false nettle . the dots in the middle
fleabane
feverfew

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warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 11, 2014
5:55 PM

Post #9836308

Ok, just back from my daughter's house, 25 miles away... Weather was just getting nasty. Rain had changed to snow and when I left her home a few hours later,,ICK!!!! Snow and it was blowing sideways...lol. Made it home, but oh the road was a mess!!!! I can't see out my windshield at the moment, all splattered with mud! Looks like I drove down a dirt road...lol..ya, ok I did.. Will let Mother Nature wash the car though...lol. They are saying we'll get most of the snow overnight, up to 14" maybe...so far about 2". And the mountains are now expecting up to 24"... Where's spring? When's it coming? LOL Next weekend might be 80*... Amazing!

blomma did you get your's yet? Will share...lol.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 11, 2014
5:57 PM

Post #9836311

I potted up some Cosmos, annual Centaurea, Annual Dracocephalum, and a few huuuuuge Datura. All of a sudden everything's bursting out of its space... Lobelias look store-bought (but not potbound, lol), on the verge of blooming, first time I've ever achieved that. Usually I plant sad little clumps and it takes them forever to show any color.

I'm not sure what made that happen. I did try new potting mixes and additives, but I'm thinking it may be the Peter's fert. The new mixes have lots of micro-nutrients added, but no fert. In the past I've relied on the MG mixes for that, but have also read that 6-9 month time release formulations aren't quite exactly reliable. So this year, I tried Maxicrop, a seaweed based product. I realized pretty quickly that although it was great for germination, my babies were still hungry. I've used the Peter's 2 or 3 times, at 2 week intervals. Wherever the credit belongs, wow! What a difference!

Anyway, I'm happy! :-)
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 11, 2014
6:11 PM

Post #9836322

Cross post...

Yikes, Kathy-- spring blizzard! Enough, already! I know you need the moisture, but what a nasty way to get it!

I've been in the garden after several days away, and it's finally beginning to look like spring here. But suddenly sooooo much to do! I planted Digitalis Pam's Choice, did a little weeding, and put up all the new peony rings. Just in time, too. They've gone from barely showing to 12" high. In another week I'd have to bend (and probably break) every stalk trying to get the grid on.

Some of the iris I thought were NG are beginning to show growth. But a few are definitely gone. Somehow last season, between trades and purchases, I went from a handful of varieties to dozens (partly your doing, WWK), so I still have plenty.

Best news: my beautiful little double pink Platycodon has sprouted! Last year cuttings didn't work, seeds were duds, but she's back for another season, so all is not lost.

Happy Mother's Day!!!

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 11, 2014
6:19 PM

Post #9836329

Pretty!!!!!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 11, 2014
6:23 PM

Post #9836334

Pfg Very nice !!!

It's pouring rain here ,, I'll take and keep it .

Kathy ; not meaning to sound mean but as cooler weather is predicted here later in the week , I hope , really hope that snow stays in the Mountain states ..

Feel bad that is causing trouble for you though I really do .. What a mean thing to do for Mothers Day .. Weather has no manners at all, except BAD lately ..

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 11, 2014
6:50 PM

Post #9836370

You know...it's actually a most Wonderful Mother's Day present!!! And Yes I'll keep mine too..lol.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 11, 2014
7:01 PM

Post #9836377

Hey Kathy I don't know if you will enjoy this or not .
The tree growing and all , Planted about five years ago Came up next to a few flowers three years ago ,, let grow , and is identified as Black Cherry Prunus Serotina ,,,
old seeds I thought were not going to grow ,,

Wow , what a goof in dealing with time ,, and I bought seeds to replace and try again ,,


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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 11, 2014
7:26 PM

Post #9836410

Pam, your pink platy is breathtaking.

Juhur, it's doing a good job at that non-growing gig! What a lovely surprise.

Kathy, I'm glad you're back and safe. Hope there's nothing you have to go back out there for, until its finally 80! We are also supposed to hit eighty next week, but we're only starting from 55. Just think of that deep long drink your plants are getting (? A tall cold one, so to speak?)
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 11, 2014
7:52 PM

Post #9836435

Thanks for the Mother's Day Flowers Ju...really sweet, I loved them...
going back to read all the other posts now, you guys have been busy chatting up a storm!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 11, 2014
8:07 PM

Post #9836454

Kathy, my order for fine weather didn't get to you in time. Sure am glad you didn't hit the road any later! Geesh Turtles, you've pretty much taken the words right out of my mouth about Ju's Prunus and Pam's Platy, lol. 'A tall cold one'...ha, ha...as long as they don't suffer brain freeze.

blomma

blomma
Casper, WY
(Zone 4a)

May 11, 2014
10:01 PM

Post #9836505

Had 3" of snow by this morning. is 32 degrees now. Still snowing and will through tomorrow. Won't see the sun until Tuesday. Roads are clear but everything else has snow on it.

Spent the day at my DD. She is making me proud with all the veggie seedlings she has growing on her South facing enclosed porch.

Where is Spring?

Kathy, I bet you are getting some of this storm also.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 12, 2014
2:14 AM

Post #9836550

Persephone and Demeter have got to stroll through your areas soon!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 12, 2014
8:28 AM

Post #9836817

So far have ended up with 6 1/2", not sure how much melted as it was a wet snow and of this time (920am), it's still snowiing (another 1-3" before it's out of here)... I'm thinking we won't get that 11-14", tho some places in the mts got 28" and still snowing there also. News said we got atleast 1 1/2" of liquid moisture if melted down.. So yes is very welcomed...sure hope my babies make it under their blankets!!!!!!! Local school is closed for the day along with several others in close by ctowns (rural areas). I'm thinking it's a goood day for seeding more annuals...lol. Later folks...Kathy

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 12, 2014
8:38 AM

Post #9836826

Good luck Kathy! Soon you'll be swimming in plants again, you'll see :)

Hope y'all get some warmer weather soon!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 12, 2014
8:44 AM

Post #9836832

We are suppose to get temperatures around 40 at the end of this week , I am hoping most of my plants are hardened enough to take that ,
It may be raining at those temperatures , all the better ,
Vegetables do not like 40 degrees , most of them way to tender .

Kathy ; you make me feel like I have found Mipii's tropical Midwest ,,lol


13Turtles The Greeks : Don't look back ,? lol

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 12, 2014
10:11 PM

Post #9837444

I was plugging in Celosia the better part of the day with false nettle ,
Planted a Dahlia and some yellow Dutch iris also .
Kind of like this is part where it gets repeating ,after last nights rainstorms all night , I have two more Giant Pumkins sprouted and about 25 cucumber seedlings that were pre-sprouted
More lettuce , more Garlic , more onions ,
Tomorrow or when it happens more of the same .

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 13, 2014
4:27 AM

Post #9837501

I can't believe how much you grow juhur! Seems everyday you're putting more and more in. I know 'tis the season and all that, but even for some buff young thing, golly. Unless they grew up farming, I suppose. And here I am all exited about my ~11 varieties of tomato, all new to me, and branching out (hardy har har) to bigger than grape tom size. But, I've finally gotten spinach to come up, not even big enough to thin, but still I'm counting it as a victory.

Some of my seedlings left the nest tonight; I mean going home with other people. I'm such a beginner in some -most?- aspects of gardening, but it felt so good to provide others with goodness. And I can offer currant, cherry, grape, mid-size and big'uns! So far no takers on the green zebra though, lol, and this is an adventurous group of folk I'm talking about. They'll be back when the peppers are ready. I actually started the peppers for them, as nobody here is able to eat peppers.

I sowed 40 sponges of tomatoes, and was able to separate the multiples, 3 seeds each spongelet, and I didn't lose a seedling! I finally lost one tonight because I dumped it on its head and broke its spine. One of my heartiest Peacevine cherries :~( I wish I'd started another cherry type. Ah well.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 13, 2014
12:05 PM

Post #9837877

Sounds to me like you do more than I , 13Turtles , Lots of goods you do ! ^_^
We all love the goodies , lol Confession time ?
Thundershowers now so I am sitting hear planning , if there is such a thing ? Planted some green bean sprouts a few minutes ago then Pow lightning , thunder , and buckets of rain .
Thursday and Friday , 57 and 40 for the high and low are not good though.
My tomato seedlings are still in cups so back in they come , the self sowing in the garden , most will live . it does take down some of them though .
Made my legs a little sore tired yesterday , effect today , from all the planting of the little cubes,
But lots of flowers should be the result .
About thirty or so of my cucumber sprouts are growing today , only the cold coming still worries me ,, 40 degrees is awful cold ,, the rain will help during that if it happens ,,
Dahlia and Yellow iris bulbs should planted as the rain started , some things for later summer colors ..
Daylilly are huge and green , but no bloom stalks , so far ,,


13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 13, 2014
3:11 PM

Post #9837986

We're gonna have 90F today, in two days back to 60F as highs, still in 40sF for lows. What are any of us supposed to do with that ey? My 52 maters and 11 cukes and various are almost all still inside, but DC would like to see the kitchen and dining room and living room tables again.

I have serious basement envy. I'd accept a greenhouse instead, lol.

I'm pretty sure cukes don't like to be transplanted, but it can take 'til mid July to get out of the 60sF. Not this year, I'm betting, but I didn't know that when I started.

Oh how I would love some lightning and thunder!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2014
9:24 AM

Post #9838598

Friday night it is going to be in the 30's here , after nearly being 90 the past few days , it is low 50's for and rain today ,
I gave up growing annuals years ago , because of this , the the past few warmer winters convinced me to grow them again ,
All this is the possibility I could lose all I have planted out on Friday ,, pew ,, I hate this , If it happens I will replant the Zinnia , but everything else will be gone ,, Grrrrrr .
The cucumbers , melons most I will do again also , not all though ,
Like I tried to not say about Kathy's trouble , Lot of work shot to H , but that often happens to effort as fun.
Oh well , in come the house , & tomato seedlings .
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2014
9:45 AM

Post #9838614

Don't grieve that which you have not lost Ju, the weather is full of surprises, as is the durability of seedlings. Wishing you luck all goes well in the next week.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 14, 2014
9:59 AM

Post #9838622

I'm chomping at the bit to kick my seedlings out of the house, but all your troubles are scaring me!

Last weekend I planted the tomatoes, in 2 raised beds. One I covered with frost blanket over hoops, one I didn't. I also planted a bunch of Asclepias tuberosa and a dozen Linum. They should be fine, even if there were to be a light frost. But predictions this week say mid 40's should be the lowest, so I'm not worried. I figure hardy perennials, anything that would be up in the garden by now, should be able to take what ever happens next.

I'll wait another couple of weeks for the tender annuals- petunias, for example.

Good luck, everyone!

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2014
10:05 AM

Post #9838629

Mipii it's coming at you to ! zone close . I could wish the same to you but, and , I bet you have been smart enough and cool enough , not to plant outside , that many anyway ..
Depending on how the plants adjust . most have been outside for some time , the four or five day thing for some of them is going to make it close .
I have seen tiny Sunflowers take a freeze , not just a frost , Burt the melon type plants except the pumpkins are toast or boiled salad for sure ..
I have seen small Zinnia and tiny Marigold frozen also , and lived and bloomed with no problem , has to do with root , type , humidity , length of temperature difficulty all that . I know you know ,, lol
After a few years of this when younger though it was only a thing that annuals are a difficult often times .. you know ,I get moody ..

Pfg , probably your right , anything that is up on it's own is likely tough enough .. so many factors with annuals though , Sometimes it is not safe until June to plant them out here ,, tough enough applies except to melons and cucumbers . sneeze and their boiled salad !

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 14, 2014
10:26 AM

Post #9838644

Turtles ~ What kind of sponges?? Do they disintegrate?

Ju, Kathy, Blomma ~ Sorry...California has been hogging the sunshine...and you have been hogging the rain and snow...too bad we could not share, huh? We are dry and in danger of fire season already and it isn't even summer yet! Now it is like summer here...
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 14, 2014
10:34 AM

Post #9838657

Forgot to say, the Lupines I planted out last week are fine. The biggest outer leaves are yellowing and will probably drop (they probably grew in the warmth indoors), but there is strong new growth from the core. Yay!
Shorty_CA
Manhattan Beach, CA
(Zone 10b)

May 14, 2014
10:40 AM

Post #9838665

Ju, Kathy, Blomma , it's going to be 100 at the beaches in SoCal today! I can't plant any flowers or seeds because they'll only fry. My glad leaves are turning brown. Not because I haven't watered but because it's too hot for them.

I've got weeds that started growing in February and now look like they're on steroids. It's too hot to pull them. The prediction is that temperatures will be down to the 80's next week. If this is spring I don't know what to expect this summer.

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 14, 2014
11:41 AM

Post #9838703

Wow, Shorty! I got a start on the weeds in cooler weather. It will be hot here as well, but hotter in the valleys. But I never actually get done with weeds as the areas that I have weeded are starting again, and I have not yet finished all the areas.

I have been trying to get up earlier these days, as it feels as though summer came early this year. I can usually get a few things done in the morning while it is a bit cooler.

No ocean breezes??

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2014
11:52 AM

Post #9838706

Some Zone envy , but , always that right ? I am not going to be envious or jealous of 100 degrees , lol .
I could do without the huge to humongous temperature swings . If I wanted to play with swings , I would go back to elementary days and the playground . lol Like that could happen either .. as a weather control comparison ..

How about Yesterday ? lol
They look burned today , from the rain a fast temperature drop .

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Shorty_CA
Manhattan Beach, CA
(Zone 10b)

May 14, 2014
12:28 PM

Post #9838719

Evelyn we've got ocean breezes but the air is so hot it doesn't help much.

I remember when we didn't need air conditioning near the ocean. Now it's almost mandatory. I dread seeing my electric bill.

I'm never done with weeding either. Normally they don't get as big.

My work day starts at 4 AM most weekdays so early morning weeding is difficult. I guess I'll have to start getting up early on weekends to get the weeding done.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2014
1:05 PM

Post #9838755

Ju, yes we get pretty much the same weather...I'm tired of emptying trays of standing water. Cooler temps just force me into doing other projects that need to be done. I have planted the bulk of my seedlings out in the garden but cannot worry too much about the outcome, I have to live with the consequences of my decisions.

Sure would share with Californians if I could.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 14, 2014
2:26 PM

Post #9838816

We all just do the best we can, sometimes we get lucky, sometimes not so lucky. I really do think the extremes are getting more and more extreme, makes it much harder to figure out what to do.

I kind of miss my outdoor stand, but really hated looking at it. Much more is still indoors because of that. I thought I would have a real cold frame to take its place this spring, but the weather was so awful I never got outside until a couple of weeks ago. We went from March to May, just skipped April completely. This week, anything that has half a chance of making it goes out, unless the predictions go crazy again. I'm getting really claustrophobic, lol.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 14, 2014
4:54 PM

Post #9838920

Pam, I built this for my seedlings, don't think I'll get tired of looking at it (I sure hope not).

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2014
12:07 AM

Post #9839159

This is what happens when I get up and do not go back to sleep ,
German Chamomille and White Swan Echinacea seedlings ,,


See cubes are round ..!
Could this mean , rounds are cubes ? ^_^ Sound like Grandpappy , funnin with the youngin's . don't it ?

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 15, 2014
11:54 AM

Post #9839570

LOL, sounds like I'm not the only one with weather extremes! Am glad I don't have the heat that's in Calif at the moment but not sure I want the freezing either...lol... Zone envy? Not sure, the jury is still out on that one. When I heard that Calif was having 100* temps on the weather report, I shuddered to think that the extremes were already happening soo early in the season.. You all can quit hogging the warm weather and share with the rest of us now, please! Lol, got down to the low 20* overnight for the 3rd or 4th day now...last night was a bit warmer but not by much. Today should be the last of it and this weekend they are saying it should return to more normal temps...overnite temps should be in the upper 40*s. with daytime highs of low 70*... One good thing I can say about the weather was we got, lots of moisture which I'ld be glad to share with those to the west if they remember to return it to my direction also...

Have been busy seeding annuals...OMG, I need to find something else to do when the weather is lousy!!!! I will have more than 2000 annual seedlings... Geeze!!! Some are waiting to sprout, many are already up and I went and bought more seed a few days ago and seeded them in already... Slap my hands!!!! LOL. I must admit many are Zinnias and Cosmos (new varieties).
But I figure with all the loses from last fall (darn!), and after I weed I'll plant the annuals. Should make a good show and then I'll reconsider the perens to go in... Am thinking I may didvde a bunch from the front garden after my tour in June... OK, off to the great outdoors right aftrer lunch...layers and all, including my stocking cap...lol. Sure hope someone out there is having decent weather! LOL. Kathy

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2014
12:27 PM

Post #9839600

My Zinnia and Salvia have been outside for over month , we will see , tonight's 37 degrees and tomorrow night the same might ruin it all ..
Couple of my tree cuttings are rooted . A mulberry, a pear , Everything else needs to grow a while , perennials are looking small , spindly as though their suffering from something . The ones that have been here a while that is.
Kathy , The iris like it here though , Even two I had left after the flood a few years ago are growing like herd .. yours might , with all that cold before their ready to bloom . You could hve a real show there (as though you usually do not have )lol
Had to dig an re-pot a couple of peppers , their back in again ,
Another that likes this is the Lupine their sending up bloom stalks , Chicory are huge , a wet cold season plant is the last thing one thinks of chicory as , but their loving this rainy . cold , with bursts of cooking hot weather ,
Lupine , at the ready ,

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 15, 2014
6:51 PM

Post #9839867

[quote="Mipii"]Sure would share with Californians if I could.
[/quote]

Robin ~ It depends on where in California...in the valleys it was near 100° today, and in L.A. where I used to live for most of my life it was hot and very smoky from the fires.

Fire season has landed quite early this year. I am happy that where we live it was only 80°, though it seemed to be too hot for me. Oh yes, that was the porch temp. In the garden it was hotter...I had to do a lot of watering.

I have something for you, Robin. I will send you a d-mail.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 15, 2014
8:56 PM

Post #9839948

[quote="evelyn_inthegarden"]
Fire season has landed quite early this year.
[/quote]

I think about you guys every year at this time and think how miserable that would be to contend with...wondering how many of those are arson started.

Thanks for the gift Evelyn, I hope its organic and smaller than a rock!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 16, 2014
1:57 PM

Post #9840623

I got it !!! I got it!!! it's a living stone !!! lol ^_^
Looking for weeds is ridiculous !!! I found my Senecio Obvata seeds though .. Hoping I can keep My Nothern Metalmarks Happy !!^_^
Ain't I silly .. he , he ,
Strange thing I can never get watermelons to grow right here , okay , So last night ,37 degrees , not only are the watermelon seedlings still there , two more sprouted up ,, Go Figure !!!
Now we will see if they live through tonight , 37 degrees approx once again . and if they do not wither away like boiled lettuce in the next few days as warmer weather returns ,
Zinnia grew a few inches last night , if it keeps raining that is good (great really)as it means no frost . bad part is water everywhere , as in flood warning .
This season is being a Major Who Can Tell !!! lol
If I can get Karner Blue Butterflies to come to my Lupine I will Have two rare Butterflies ..
Saw one Ten Years ago . almost
Northern Metalmark Had seen two, Summer before last, one last year . A little fun , sort of ...
Refugee's from the cold

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 17, 2014
11:55 AM

Post #9841399

Two extremes of seed germination ,,
Dandelions
Cat "poop" on Celosia lol???

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badcat

badcat
BELLEVILLE, IL
(Zone 6b)

May 17, 2014
12:01 PM

Post #9841404

Sorry bout that!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 17, 2014
12:07 PM

Post #9841410

ROFL !!!^_^ HA,HA, HA , HA , HA, HA,HA, HA , HA , HA, HA,HA, HA , HA , HA, HA,HA, HA , HA , HA, HA,HA, HA , HA , HA, HA,HA, HA , HA , HA, HA,HA, HA , HA , HA, ROFL !!! ROFL!!!
^_^^_^^_^
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 17, 2014
9:30 PM

Post #9841882

LOL! I don't know what was more funny, Badcat's apology or Juhur's reaction...good stuff.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2014
12:18 AM

Post #9841930

Mipii, that is a great stand. My problem is that I don't have an easily accessible spot that isn't highly visible. I had my stand on a south facing wall that got a lot of shade from established trees, which was actually fine for the plants. But it's the old front entrance area, not used any more, but still should be more decorative than utilitarian. Second choice is an east facing wall, in a much more discrete place, but not as convenient to get to carrying trays of plants and water, etc, especially in early spring when outdoor conditions are raw.

Ju, are your budded Lupines first year plants? Were they started inside or out? I've always had to wait a year to see them bloom

Nice day today, got lots done. Nicotianas, snapdragons, annual salvias, hollyhocks are all outside now, and I made a good start on planting them. Nights are in the 40's, a little cool but no threat of frost. During the day, the sun heats things up fast, even though most days don't get past the mid 60's. The tomatoes I planted out last week are all doing fine, even grew a few inches, so I'm going ahead with all but the most tender babies.

Time to start squash and cukes, but they don't go out for a couple more weeks. Meanwhile, their bed is being used to heel in perennial babies until I can get them planted.

For once, although there is still tons to do, I don't feel like I'm light-years behind!

.

Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2014
12:35 AM

Post #9841932

Forgot to post pics... The city window is down to 3 flats from 6. The petunias, Torenia, some annual Lobelia (for the patio pots), Datura and Alocasia are all that's left. Oh, and one lone Asclepias incarnata Rosa, too big to take this time. All the plants that I moved to the house have now been hardened off outside, and some are planted. Yay!

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13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 18, 2014
12:55 AM

Post #9841934

I'm impressed. I have virtually everything still indoors, about 300 seedlings. I seem to be stuck in the intersection of time and temp. And I haven't even gotten to start thinking about purely ornamentals. Yikes. I need to get some soil for my 20 gallon tomato pots. 13-15 of them.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 18, 2014
9:12 AM

Post #9842184

Turtles...Pam has a way of making the rest of us feel a bit inadequate, lol! She's a machine, just like Kathy. They're also inspirational and powerful motivators.

Congrats Pam on a very productive season, avoiding the feelings of being light years behind is a major accomplishment...you should celebrate!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 18, 2014
9:36 AM

Post #9842195

That feeling !! IT sure is an accomplishment .

Pfg those Lupine are 5 or 6 years old , I have some small ones that have grown a few years that have not bloomed , last year they wilted in the hot weather and did not bloom ,
After I get some more seeds though I will burn a few branches where I plant them and start more ,,
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/72868/
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2014
4:38 PM

Post #9842465

OMG you guys, you're scaring me! This thread is meant to educate us all, especially me, lol!!! I was thrilled that Kathy was interested in this kind of of free-for-all sharing of experiences, since she is light-years beyond me in experience and scope... In addition everyone's involvement, so many tips about specific plants in specific situations, has made this a very rich resource indeed!

I came on DG only 3 years ago, with some gardening experience but lots of gaps... I have learned an incredible amount here. It turns out I get really p'd off at failures, which makes me a sucker for trying new methods. I lean toward fool-proof, really want results for my efforts, so don't like taking the risks Ju does. I prefer calculated risks, like playing it safe and watching the weather predictions, trying to learn from previous years what works, what doesn't...

And this year has been the best yet. Some failures... Grrrrr... I'm not attentive enough to the ones that need varied temps to germinate. My conditions don't allow for true winter sowing, which I suspect is the better method in those cases. But over all, my babies are the healthiest yet. And my garden has 3-year-old seedlings which are amazing! And that's the point, isn't it?!

I feel for those whose conditions have been unusually harsh. Our winter was tough, but spring is springing for real now, and lots I thought would be goners are beginning to come to life. There is no threat of unseasonal frost... Usually April has more periods of mild temps here between frosts so it's easy to get fooled. This year, there was no mistaking when it was too cold, it went on forever it seemed, then it changed and all became possible. I know that was not the case in many other parts of the country.

Sooooo... Happy gardening, everyone... Always full of surprises!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 18, 2014
4:57 PM

Post #9842490

Pfg , I take risks , yes indeed , but not so many really , My cucumbers , Sunflowers , Watermelons , the Zinnia , the Salvia , many tender to Frost sensitives are all doing well,
Sprouted and given a week to Harden off or the ones like this years watermelons (which usually I can hardly grow at all ) which I planted the seeds the first week of March , and they come up when the want to ,
Lots tougher this time than I ever would of thought .. I had a 30 inch bloom Sunflower that I started that way one year ,, (what say ) a really big pay -off ) lol

The info , on sets for plants information shared here , is as you said tremendous and wonderfully useful ..
Kathy's insight is awesome , Super -Women !^_^
Well back to the sprouts ...
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 18, 2014
5:14 PM

Post #9842512

Well Pam, you certainly had me fooled. The scenario could probably be explained better by saying; Kathy is a phenomenal teacher...and you, you're just a really good student. A really good student that has transitioned into a good teacher in her own right (you're so humble).

BTW, everybody needs a Ju, where would we be if someones not willing to take the risks. Thanks for the help all!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 18, 2014
6:01 PM

Post #9842547

I don't see myself that way ,, As risk taker ,, truly me , No Way !!!^_^ ..

I see myself as being mostly cheap .. Towel roll cheap , The only "clean" way to say it I know of ,, lol
Here is bake bread , or sprout Zinnia ,, last tray this season .. 1&2 , lot of seeds ...
of course my organic vole guard works awesome but , it would be better if it did not get so excited that it "goes" on some of the flowers , still better than voles eating all the sprouts ,,lol
That, and it tends to "hog" the covers..

Recipe for Bread Pan Zinnia Sprouts
Warning Disclaimer ) ; These are for growing , not for eating )
One Small shopping bag of Zinnia seeds .
Two 8 ounce cups of preferred seed starting mix (your choice) .
oops forgot ,, moisten moderately
Hmmmm . lol ? oh well , I tried ,, ^_^


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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 18, 2014
6:32 PM

Post #9842583

Ju, would you say 'experimenter'? How many kitties do I need for the Bread Pan Zinnia Sprouts?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 18, 2014
6:41 PM

Post #9842596

LOL Mipii ) You mean for A Vole Guard? The size of this one is enough . Kittie is twice the size of the pan ,lol .
You mean your making Kittie Bread??? ,, ewwwwww ^_^ ???

Kittie Blooming Zinnia ( interesting ...

Really only picking a little Robin , strange I am too ..lol

The interesting thing is with the weather doing what it does , cold , then warm to kind of hot , then back to cold I found that I have learned something , or re-learned something ,
Sprouts are nearly 20 degrees more cold hardy than 4 to 5 inch plants , Given about five to seven nights of mid to low 40's and day temperatures just barely over 50 . The sprouts took temperatures into the low 30's rarely have I seen that except with annuals like Sunflowers and such ,
The zinnia , Salvia . Marigold , all took those low temperatures with no damage at all .. excepting one salvia that was never growing correctly to begin with ,,
As said reading here and watching some of you has taught me a few things ...

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2014
7:37 PM

Post #9842679

LOL, thought my ears were tingling...ya'll are talking about me... lol. Gosh, thanks for the compliments...Most of my seed starting has been trial and error...mostly successes thank goodness...help to encourage me to keep doing more every year. It's very rewarding to see the plants begin blooming and like Pam said year 3 is great, along with 4,5,6...lol... What's fun is learning from others too...even me . I get info from all of you.. Sorry, I haven't been around as much this season, got a bit discouraged after I over fert. soo many of my babies...then froze all my maters and a buch of the early annuals...Darn... LOL, but my late batch of annuals is still doing great...(so far). I've spent 4 days already weeding so I can begin planting. But I still have many days just to finish the backyard weeding before any can begin. Then I have to get to the front garden before it gets out of hand, then there's the side of the house, then gotta finish the main Iris patch..then dig some Iris that have ended up in a weed patch...then I have a new bed outside the main garden---it needs grasses and weeds sprayed but to breezy--then rototil and plant all the potted iris on the driveway...LOL, it never ends!!!! The list goes on and on. I'm thinking I already need a vacation just thinking about all the things I need and want to acomplish this season ( or before 3 weeks when the garden tour happens.) I was beginning to fret a bit and changed my attitude to what ever gets done gets done!! Oh ya, gotta work on fencing this year too!!!! Yikes!!

I'm thinking it's finally safe now to get plants outside and uncovered, so frost blankets came off today for those babies on the porch. Plastic came off the greenhouse (horse stall) and a frost blanket went up, more for sun protection than anything else... But I'm finally thinking it's safe to begin planting things. The annuals are still under lights but may take a few trays out tomorrow for hardening off.

I'm like Pam...I will have to start many of the things that need specific treatment...ie, cold, warm, cold ...you know those things that want extra attention, maybe this fall. But then maybe I should try winter sowing in jugs... Guess I should start drinking more milk again.

LOL, and the lawn needs mowing...maybe before the tour I'll get around to it. LOL Oh ya and I need to pot up babies from the garden and divisions so the gals have plants to BUY (?)... never ends.. And I'm tired, think I'll go to bed early tonight so I can get an early start tomorrow... ( I know I did it to myself). But thanks again for the compiments...it eggs me on... (Ya all are naughty, or knew I needed a push to get things done...) Later all!!! Kathy

Looking forward to these blooming again this spring and am hoping for babies (Dictamnous purpurea (gas plant)..couple of weeks yet...

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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 18, 2014
8:04 PM

Post #9842708

You know, Kathy, I think it's wonderful that the DGweb is sooo wide and big, but sometimes I wish we were close enough to each other that we could hold the occasional "barn-raising." Like for you right now, a bunch of us together - those who know how to do what they're told - could do a bunch more in a weekend than each of us working individually in our own gardens.

All to say, I wish I could jet-pack out there and lend you my hands.

Evelyn, I'm sorry; I just saw your question. The truth is, I don't know what these sponges are. They came in a compartment-ed tray, and I thought they were peat. They are not, and so far they show no signs of disintegrating. I think they'll probably take about a decade to do so.

I really appreciate this thread as well. Even when I feel as though I am behind EVerybody, in understanding as well as in experience and actions. I think it's the veg aspect: for years I was very focused on ornamentals. Then we moved, and I have a large (to me) expanse of soil.

I have had overwhelming, literally, success with starting my tomatoes and one variety of sunflower. Also my cukes, but I doubt they're going to like transplantation. So-so with peppers. But guardian flowers and herbs? Not a chance! Obviously I am not providing right conditions, but it's a bit startling, the difference.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 19, 2014
1:47 AM

Post #9842811

Turtles, that's what happened to me when I changed zones. I had to learn the basics all over again, what had worked before was a disaster here. Less heat + less light= mold. Yuck!!!

Oh boy, do I know about too much to do, too little time!!! Like Kathy, but not to the same degree, I'm reclaiming 'lost' areas one by one. This year spring chores are telescoped into a fraction of the usual time- super cold spring made early bloomers late, but then they came and went in a flash. Suddenly the garden is bursting into life-- all the late-to-emerge are showing now, so it's safe to start working those areas. I'm just getting to tasks that would normally have been done a month ago, but not out of procrastination. This year it's Mother Nature that put the pressure on.

So I'm getting help. I had a little windfall this year, and I'm using some of it to play catchup. I put an ad in a local paper for a garden helper a few hours a week, and got about 50 calls. I've been trying people out, and even doubling up to get stuff done. So far, no one is completely right, but most have been useful, and a couple are good possibilities for specific kinds of long term help.

We even got a start on organizing the barn, which contains bins and rafters full of wood and tools going back to previous owners many decades ago, not to mention DH's collections of cast-offs. Things we actually use get piled in wherever there's room, which has become more and more scarce. But not after today! Yippee!!! That guy is definitely on the short list, even though I doubt he'll make a great weeder. He'll be good with the chainsaw, though, and clearing out rampant vines and other woody invasives in areas I pretend not to see.

Soooo, back on topic, although I got a lot planted this weekend, there are still far too many cell packs and little pots here and there. So I'm taking some back inside out of the wind that will topple them and the sun that will dry them out, and putting them safely on the self-watering trays for the days I won't be here. The ones staying outside will also get watering trays, in dappled sun, hopefully in enough shelter. Right now my covered stand would have been a huge help... I have to figure something out!

Drat, meant to start the cukes and squash! Grrrrr...

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 19, 2014
3:16 AM

Post #9842824

I like your auditioning idea! It's brilliant. If the wind ever falls on me...

Part of my trouble is that I'm just starting to build outside the house. Any ornamentals I have are in pots, and we just 2 days ago finished my first veg bed. I needed it 18" high for my abilities. I did already have a raised-on-legs 2x6 bed from a kit, so it got lettuces and peas. My tomatoes all go in pots, but I need somebody else to go collect soil+compost, as I no longer drive, let alone drag a trailer. Sometimes it's hurry up and wait, and I don't mean on Mother Nature!

I also can't do anything in ground out front because (the rest of) the porch still needs to come down and be rebuilt, and a ramp figured out. In the three years I've had this property I've amused myself with digging out dandelions (for the neighbors) and popping in daffodil bulbs. I call it my Daffies For Dandies program.

Oh well. Either things will grow or they won't. We'll burst with peas and tomatoes or we won't. And I guess I'll be buying annuals since I haven't been able to start them. I'm beginning to yammer; better I try to sleep. Gn.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 19, 2014
2:29 PM

Post #9843388

Thanks for the encouragement turtles!!! Only things accomplished for the day so far is digging for 2 packages that were due...lol. Now it's a bit warm and I'm ready to hide in the shade, north side of the house this afternoon for weeding, shade and a cool breeze,,,yeah!
Are you able to do perenn gardening? If so you'll have to let me know, after my garden tour I could ship you a few goodies if you like and some TBI*s (tall Bearded Iris). If you're interested let me know... Kathy

And pam, thanks for the Platties, they're on the porch now... Let me know when you'r ready for your box, also what is on the list...lol. Duh, where's my string...?

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 19, 2014
3:18 PM

Post #9843443

You're very welcome Kathy. And thank you, yes, I'm starting on perenns again. I will remember to ask you!

It's hard to believe that now you're having to seek shade to work in...how many days ago was it winter was roaring there?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 19, 2014
3:27 PM

Post #9843452

I think we would all help out if we could for Kathy ,, Weather knows no limits ..
I been planting Vegetable Herbs Mostly , Trying to decide on a good place for Chamomille and Anthemis ..
Here's a few seedlings ;cucumber Watermelon, Pumpkin Zinnia and ?

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 19, 2014
3:36 PM

Post #9843459

juhur, just remember the Anthemis reseeds...just curious which color you have, the gold light lemon yellow or white? I have the gold and still wanting the other colors... lol...jeeze, slap my hands! LOL

Turtles...I've become a wuss..lol. Not enough clouds today.. And yes, remember to ask me in June!!!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 19, 2014
4:04 PM

Post #9843477

It is from seedling , from trade , all the seed ID had said was Tinctoria ? ETC I don't know , we will see when it Blooms I am presuming it is the Golden Yellow ,, ?
I have one of the Centaruea Scabiosa about to bloom from last year ,, Those things were difficult to start ,,
Iris , rather wafting in the wind

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13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 19, 2014
8:44 PM

Post #9843775

I could look it up but I would get only the facts. ma'am. So, what is anthemis, in your experience?

Kathy, re 'becoming a wuss,' just call it becoming wise.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 19, 2014
8:52 PM

Post #9843778

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/727/

I ain't Kathy , but these pages here should give you an idea
The link is the usual ,, It's time for a beer with that . lol

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 19, 2014
11:07 PM

Post #9843836

I'll go for the port, juhur. Then I'll read the link, thanks.

Ah. I see the "resistant to deer." 'Nuff said.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 20, 2014
8:18 AM

Post #9844053

Kathy I knew you couldn't stop, I am gonna slap your hands! LOL I do love it when you say that!

Pam I'm so jealous you have all that help, if you find anyone that likes to work for free please and them my way.. My hub and kids won't work in the garden if I paid them.. I need to figure out that trick yet.. Maybe the harvests will do the trick, at least lure their bellies in at the least ;)

Been so dang busy, went to my first DG Roundup on Sunday, all I have to say is wow they are awesome!! :D
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 20, 2014
12:05 PM

Post #9844231

Pam and Kathy ~ Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to share all of your seed-starting experiences with us!

I know that I don't go online as often as many of you do, as I have a very slow landline as well as a full computer with too many pictures, so even when I take the laptop to the library with their fast connection, some of my functions are still slow...yeah, and sometimes it is the website...

And the rest of you, too...Robin, 13 Turtles, Ju, Shorty_CA, Becky, Caroline and Celene...this is always nice to read of your successes, as well as the not so successful..THANK YOU!!! ( I hope I did not leave anyone out...)

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 20, 2014
12:53 PM

Post #9844275

evelyn, you added soo much too!!!! Thanks!
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2014
1:34 PM

Post #9844301

Yeah...what Evelyn and Kathy said!

Turtles, did you get any new growth from your Hydrangea and Hebe?

Becky, I still don't see any germination action from the Roselle, I'm hoping it just takes a long time to germinate and I don't really suck at this (sowed April 27).

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 20, 2014
2:56 PM

Post #9844393

Hiya. No, the hebe appears dead at the starting gate, still just brittle sticks, as with one of the rosé bushes. The hydrangea though -- there is hope. Leaves are starting that I think belong to it and not a weed! And it's in a small pot, amazing (to me) given the winter we had, I'm really hoping, as it was a gift from a dear friend. Thanks for asking!
.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2014
7:54 PM

Post #9844646

Sorry to hear about the Hebe and the rose. Everything I had overwintering in pots all got freeze-dried.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 20, 2014
8:45 PM

Post #9844681

Sorry about the freeze dried plants :~(. It's too bad "just add water" won't work in this case.

It's amazing what was lost this winter, and how much. Well established trees, 10 yr old perennials, and on and on. I don't mean mine, I mean of my gardening expert friends around here.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2014
9:01 PM

Post #9844714

Lol, you bet I tried it! If in doubt...water it...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2014
9:03 PM

Post #9844716

Gave most of us warmer weather for a few seasons ,, Reasons to take chances , I did , .
oh well .. poker anyone ! ..
I will ante up the first five Dandelions ! lol ?

Of course all the weather and all did was Snap Back , like a Snapdragon ???
I'm still planting Annuals , Seeing How many I can plant before June 18 . last day here for annuals , I am already running "out of Gas" though . I think I give up about the 7th ... In memory to Custer ...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2014
9:10 PM

Post #9844721

Robin Mipii About $500 and a genetics kit , would work .. Bring them all back , with the ..
Some agar gel and words I can't spell beyond DNA ,,lol

Bad joke I know ..
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2014
9:50 PM

Post #9844738

Lol, bad jokes don't make me chuckle Ju. Cloning, don't know why didn't I think of it..I'll get right on that.

I know the running on empty feeling well. As I age, some things increase as others decrease, the only problem with that is; the list is always opposite to what you'd want. For instance, I can work half as long and get twice as tired.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 20, 2014
9:54 PM

Post #9844739

Mine is like ; I feel like and have the energy to get everything done , and then all of sudden the list is twice as long ! And I only get, uh hum ,,"Half Way There " ..lol

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 20, 2014
10:36 PM

Post #9844765

Think wisdom, think wisdom, think wisdom...and click your heels. Then water it.

I also understand. I became disabled 20 years ago, and I still have the agenda of a 30 something. It doesn't work! If it worked I'D be working! Playing in the garden isn't work, but it sure is effort.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 21, 2014
10:45 AM

Post #9845212

Ahh Turtles...God bless you for your effort, may you be blessed with twice as much payoff too!

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 21, 2014
10:56 AM

Post #9845217

Aw, thank you Robin. :~)

Going to start taking tomatoes out to the new bed today, before I plant them in their big pots. It has hoops, so I can close it up at night.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 21, 2014
8:17 PM

Post #9845622

Have not set my tomatoes out yet either ,,slow going ..


Mipii(Robin) This ones for you , what a difference some light makes ,,lol

Same color same plant ..

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 21, 2014
8:24 PM

Post #9845624

First is the other up above , the others are my playing fill in the five photo spaces ,, chuckle ...

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 21, 2014
9:18 PM

Post #9845653

So, what you're saying is...I could make my garden look really large by repeatedly taking pictures of the same blooms in different light levels. Brilliant! Lol!

Seriously, I especially like that Iris bud rising out of the Stinging Nettle, that's a really nice pic Ju. Thanks for the bouquet, it's always appreciated.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 21, 2014
9:34 PM

Post #9845662

Robin) I was hoping you would enjoy that,, This Catnip though ,, Stinging nettle is 50 ft away , the other side of the property , not that it could not walk that far though , nettle can be "Fun" .
I did that and then let it grow in the iris when I noticed the Root Borers , or iris Borers , did not like the Catnip ^_^ , Borers do not like some Marigolds either ,,
Borers just about wiped out years of my blue and White Hybrids .. I have two remaining ,,

While editing for the word not ,, Robin I like the idea of stinging nettle making blooms a look Don't touch .. he , he , mean of mind ,,,LOL

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Celene

Celene
Columbus, OH

May 22, 2014
7:03 AM

Post #9845919

Interesting, I have calamint that reseeds through my irises, I've never had borers. Not that I know if I would have had them anyhow. Calamint is closely related to catnip.
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 22, 2014
8:30 AM

Post #9846005

Sounds like a major happy discovery...everybody can benefit from some pest relief. Shows what I know though, can't tell the difference between Catnip and Stinging Nettle in a photo (inexplicably, I can in person). Really!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 22, 2014
9:49 AM

Post #9846061

I have photoshop and ID trouble from the same ,, That must part of the light thing ,

"it looks this way ,now it looks that way ,!" Poof"!!!

Organic controls are good to know anyway , Every time most around here see a bug there is a loud Get The RAID can ,, pew ...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 22, 2014
11:20 AM

Post #9846149

Pfg , This Buds For You !!!^_^
I know , Let me guess, Grandma's old fashioned Green Tea , you would rather have ,

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 22, 2014
4:56 PM

Post #9846373

Gorgeous! I do love Lupines! Sadly, the ones that bloomed their heads off last year in my garden are kaput this year. The new ones aren't ready, but there is one mature one that has taken a couple of years off, so I have hopes. At worst, there is a local nursery that will have some with blooms. I know, that's cheating...

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

May 22, 2014
6:26 PM

Post #9846448

...but our eyes need to eat too. Call it 'drive-thru beauty.'

They are stunning Juhur.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 23, 2014
7:03 PM

Post #9847407

Thank you both it has been a while since these have bloomed (like a couple seasons , I am always delighted to see them .

A few questions I collected some seeds from the catkins of my Salix interior today , some say stratify some say nay , as most often from cuttings but , being me I wanted to try the seeds .

And what is the 24hr freezing method of stratifying ? anyone?

today ,

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 23, 2014
8:12 PM

Post #9847489

Soak 24 hours, starting in hand hot water, meaning as hot as your hand can stand. Then Deno (seeds put into a folded paper towel, then in a baggie), then in the freezer for 24 hours. It's a shortcut way to stratify that often works, but not always, depends on the plant.

Good luck!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 23, 2014
8:25 PM

Post #9847501

Thank you Pfg I was thinking of trying it with a few of my weed type seeds .Stored ragwort , and such .
No info anywhere on how to grow them , because some places they are not allowed ,,
poop on all the extermination rules (but that is another story )

Thanks again , here we come experiments !

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 23, 2014
8:38 PM

Post #9847511

Last few days a moth Hummer came out of the Lupine plant when I put me foot near them . Today when I waked past . the moth hummer was there and came out again ,,
I know this is not the thread for that , but interesting , I'm wondering if they have nested in the Lupine ,? oops I meant roosting ,, They get together for slumber parties ..
yes the post above means I am , but eh , so is everybody these days ..


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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 24, 2014
9:50 AM

Post #9847874

Evelyn, I have enjoyed your posts as well :)

Robin, nope didn't get any hits on my wintersowed roselle either. I will try Deno when I get home. They are in my ziploc labeled 'dying to start' LOL!!

Or is it too late for me to start seeds? Oh who am I kidding, I have empty shelves at home, well 3 shelves anyway, and I am raring to fill them :))

Juhur are you still looking for golden groundsel for your butterflies? I came home with a few mystery plants from roundup, and they have been ID'd as that, I can mail you one if you like..

Might be a little off topic here, but we're in Corpus Christi, TX for the weekend and looksie what I found.. What type of seed do you suppose this is?

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 24, 2014
10:14 AM

Post #9847884

SWPD(Becky I go for that, appreciatively , I will look back through your want list , Let's do a mail ..

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 24, 2014
4:28 PM

Post #9848162

Hmm Becky, looks like a mini burnt hamburger bun. Do I win the prize?

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 24, 2014
4:45 PM

Post #9848177

Lol I would have no idea , but it looks like acacia ,nearest I have seen , not a true match ,oh well .
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

May 27, 2014
3:52 AM

Post #9850259

Lots of planting this weekend, both my seedlings and those bought from Graceful Gardens, Bluestone and local nurseries. Just a few things left now. This is the most caught up I've ever been, and there is still a ton to do... How can that be?!

Good news: All the Salvia Azurea are back, including the little S Nekan I grew from seed last year. That was I nice surprise, I was sure it was toast. Sooooo cute... I'll try to get a pic before we leave today.

All the pots are planted, best looking seedlings I've ever had. I think it must be the Peter's fert, everything really took off when I started using it. I only did 1\2 strength because of the continuous watering, but what a difference!

Blue pots: Datura La Fleur, Lobelia Riviera Splash, Torenia Kauai Blue (really purple, oh well).

Hanging baskets: Petunia Easy Wave, Lobelia White Cascade.

Iris Cristata-- Kathy, did yours take? Mine are really spreading, makes me very happy, lol!

Platycodon Astra Blue seedlings blooming. The ones in the garden from last year are up, but it will be a while before they get going.

Lupine from seed a couple of years ago...

Helianthus laetiflorus, from seed 2012, gone wild... The tall stalks show the size of the crown from last year. Yikes! It wants to take over the world!

More pics later...

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2014
5:40 AM

Post #9850348

Looks really, really good Pam! So glad you've got much more to do (now that's just selfish), lol.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 27, 2014
4:43 PM

Post #9850859

Pfg real pretty flowers and settings .. you all are always so neat and tidy ... me I'm always doing the wild thing ,, weeds-n-all ..

#3 I'm hoping the peony blooms behind the Lupine before the lupine is done blooming ..
#2 poison Dulcamera (American Bittersweet ) This plant will kill ya , a real joker ...
#1 Amarylis Iris beginning to bloom

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StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 27, 2014
7:22 PM

Post #9851026

Wow yes, very pretty indeed Pam!

Mipii, I posted my hamburger seed on the ID forum and it's mucuna (either m. urens or m. sloanei), but the funny thing is it's common name is sea bean plant or hamburger bean! Too funny!

Juhur, I like your wild plants! And more importantly, so do the flutterbys!

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 27, 2014
11:43 PM

Post #9851147

Pam...I'll look tomorrow on that Iris...sure hope it made it...it's gorgeous!!!

juhur... wait and see that Iris when it fully opens...there are NO standards only falls and the fragrance is fabulous!!!! (Jasmine like).

Haven't even begun thinking about planting yet. Been busy weeding..backyard is almost done enough to begin tho. Going to start weeding the front bed tomorrow, (watered today so it would be easier). It's begun to warm up here so I'll spend mid day potting things up now. Stopped today at my fav. nursery and went thru the recycle bins for more pots...fillled the car and will make another run in a day or so.

Couple of new plants from the nurseries this spring...Centuarea montana 'Amethyst Dream', a rich purple/redish, got 'Blackie' last summer and hope for a good show this year. Iberis hybrid 'Pink Ice', candytuft, so I'm guessing it's a spring bloomer unless it's a cross of I. 'Autumn Beauty' which blooms spring and fall. (Hope, hope, hope). will have to make a list of the others..lol.

Ok, ya all have a good week...Kathy

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 29, 2014
1:17 PM

Post #9852628

I got the scent of the amaryllis . iris , very nice

Here's a few from about '
1&2 Conjuration iris , very strong , vigorous ,
Thalictrum under the plum
A happy clump of old fashioned Shasta daisy .

it's hot here ,, like very hot ...

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 29, 2014
4:42 PM

Post #9852869

Also I need some seed advice (Red Agave , wild from Texas ) how to , ?
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 30, 2014
2:24 PM

Post #9853728

Robin ~ You win the plant ID contest...hamburger bean! (Well, close, huh?)

I had some wintersowed plants that were almost dried out, but looking alive...Iris tectorum. Someone said to sow them and then don't check until spring. They were tucked away one a shelf on the back porch.

I cleaned up the others, most were dried out. The white Leonitis menthifolia was hanging in there, so I planted them. If I can remember to keep them watered, they will be tough ones to remove. I have never seen them before, so I always have surprises in store.

Robin ~ Please d-mail me when you are ready for me to send you some plants. Geranium phaeum and what else???Strawberries? I think I will pack some plants ready to ship on Monday.

Anyone want any Verbascum 'Southern Charm'? Also strawberries...I have loads! Ajuga, white daisies...a few others, I am sure...
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 30, 2014
5:54 PM

Post #9853880

Ju try the Texas gardening forum to ask about 'how to' for Agave. They've got some pretty talented gardeners there.


Evelyn, you're so sweet...I won...who-hoo! Lol. I'm thinking I need a lottery ticket now. I'll D-mail you.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 30, 2014
11:22 PM

Post #9854082

Juhur, just realized I forgot to send the groundsel! I will on Monday :)

Also, is it a red agave? Or a red yucca? Never seen a red agave before but I think that would be a hubba hubba kinda moment for me as I love all things spiky :))

Robin, I'll send you a coupon for a free hamburger!! LOLOL!!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 31, 2014
1:01 AM

Post #9854099

The accidental pawpaw seedlings.. First pic shows my nosiness, I scooped one out to see what kind of action was happening below the surface. Long taproot so far, gonna put them directly into 3 gal tree pots.

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juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2014
6:08 AM

Post #9854197

SWPD) I am not sure yet what it is , I will try starting it like Yucca ,
There is a red Agave house plant though ,
Some nice Dg'er sent me two Groundseal that came yesterday , But I will appreciate another , The more the merrier and the better ..


Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2014
8:39 AM

Post #9854322

Becky, your Paw Paw's look great, thanks for posting progress. I'm a bit of a foodie too, hence the hamburger reference...Chef Gordon would have shut the kitchen down for that one.

I'm packing about 10 extra pounds (please don't feed the animals)...lol.

At any rate, instead of a coupon (thanks for the offer though) please indulge us with what method and when you sowed those Paw Paw's. Be prepared to get peppered with requests for follow-up pics. I wanna see more!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

May 31, 2014
9:47 AM

Post #9854375

Juhur, okay great, yes the more the merrier indeed :)

Robin, I received the pawpaw seeds from the university of kentucky, and after a week of waiting to be sorted into my stash, I noticed they started sprouting while sitting in the potting mix they were sent in. Supposedly they keep them refrigerated so they don't dry out. The care instructions they sent with the seeds stated that if you allow them to dry out, even after just a few weeks, germination can drop from 80% to less than 20%

Of the 11 seeds I received, I have 10 sprouts :)
Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2014
10:16 AM

Post #9854396

Shoot, that's so lucky. That kind of scenario makes things easier, now I remember you talking about it...duh!

I WS two in the large plastic pop bottles, I drilled drainage holes filled with potting mix, sowed seeds knuckle deep and sunk them into the soil. I inverted a translucent container over them and thought all would be well. Since there is no action, I'm guessing I failed.

It's time to pull the rest out of the fridge and try again...or eat hamburgers. Thanks

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2014
10:33 AM

Post #9854407

I have tried the Paw Paw before . year before last a couple a foot tall , too many ants ,to much sun , The three from seed never really "got Growing "
The other story ; As my Yellow poplar does better , My wild dogwood is growing , shade ..he he .
I have a real small Shagbark Hickory and some kind of Oak that came up in the Garden (on their own ,, ( nothing to do with me ) Wild weed theory of Gardening ,,lol


Or is it the tree thing , swinging from , or out of ,, so the tree are coming back ,?

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2014
1:10 PM

Post #9854512

Sounds like the squirrels are helping you garden Ju...I appreciate all the help I can get. If I don't recognize the seedling, it stays until it can be identified. I got a really nice Juniper and a Purple leaf plum that way. Only thing is, what the squirrels plant the rabbits come and defoliate, it's real tough to come out ahead.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

May 31, 2014
2:28 PM

Post #9854569

Robin ) I was shopping for potting soil , a while ago , Bought a few herb plants , a couple seed packets ,
Dug some tomato planting holes and stakes ,
Bought some Herb starting mix ,
A Centaurea Scabiosa is blooming ,,
I believe a knautia Arvensis is growing in my wintersow cans , I will plant that and see ..

Squirrels , Rabbits , ground Hogs , Raccoons , the occasional Possum ,, Voles , Mice , Rats , Cats , Dogs , Birds , Kids , Hail , You name it !!!

Lest we should forget BUGS!!! ..^_^ lol

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

May 31, 2014
2:40 PM

Post #9854581

Evelyn...Me, (I'm waving my hand for the Verbascum!!! I had one of those in the garden years ago and it died out so I'ld love another... Do they reseed for you? My V. phoenicium does... (And strawberries if no other takers...LOL). What can I sent in return? Or you want some moolah...?
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

May 31, 2014
7:58 PM

Post #9854861

[quote="warriorswisdomkathy"]Evelyn...Me, (I'm waving my hand for the Verbascum!!! I had one of those in the garden years ago and it died out so I'ld love another... Do they reseed for you? My V. phoenicium does... (And strawberries if no other takers...LOL). What can I sent in return? Or you want some moolah...?[/quote]

Yes, they re-seed, and that's why I have so many. they won't all fit into my new bed. How many would you like? 6?

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

June 1, 2014
1:13 AM

Post #9854966

We built our "salad bar," to see if we can still be getting lettuce once the tomatoes appear. Northeast exposure. Kale and marigolds too. I'll post pics when it's all set up. My kale behaves very weirdly, no matter where I plant it or how much light it gets. It likes to lie down yet keeps putting out leaves.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 1, 2014
3:08 PM

Post #9855554

Evelyn, oh yes, six would be lovely or however many you have that you want to get rid of... LOL, I have a whole backyard to work on this summer and most of the babies I put in during late fall didn't make it. (But those I put in a holding bed after the others went into the beds, made it thru the winter...think that's where I should have planted them all!!!)

Ok, Southern Charm is not the one that is sterile... (I had the V. that was. and that is the one that died out).. Thankyou!!! Big hugs, and let me know if you want something in return...or me to send $$$ first... Kathy



OBTW...I'm still weeding, any offers to come help? LOL, comeon, I know there has to be a helper out there somewhere...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 1, 2014
3:14 PM

Post #9855559

Well here's an Amarylis iris from someone we all know, Shhh named Kathy )

Centaurea scabiosa 3ft tall

345 the fill

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Rookerie
Denison, TX
(Zone 7a)

June 2, 2014
11:03 AM

Post #9856538

Wow...this is a crazy thread...and it's already been re-started how many times because the old ones got too long?!? (^_^) Love it!

I've been trying to follow along, but it's just too much. I noticed a comment from way back (April, maybe?) from Juhur about being from Texas. Now I can't even find the section where everyone was talking about Texas! LOL!

But, Hi from Texas, Juhur! We're from the same area! I went to the "old" stadium when I was about five years old to play on brand new turf that even the Cowboys had not yet touched. Wish someone had gotten pics back then. :p
Now I'm in far north Texas. If I do a hop, skip and a little jump, I get my feet wet in the Red River and Okies start shooting at me! (Ha ha...not really. They're good neighbors!)

I was looking for some tips on getting seedlings to start growing after being potted-up, but I think I'll just give them another shot of watered-down fish fertilizer and finish reading this thread instead! (^_-)
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 2, 2014
12:21 PM

Post #9856612

Helloooooo Texas! Welcome, Rookerie!

Yes, this thread has been going on for a while... For my zone, all the action has moved outside now. I still have lots of seedlings in pots. The annuals are easy, they do their while life cycle in one season so they go right into the garden.

But the perennials are a different story. I have to decide whether to pot them up, plant them in a holding bed, or put them out in the garden. Platycodons, for instance: last year, I had a bunch of P Perlmutterschale, a lovely , soft silvery pink. They were started in late December, and by April were blooming under the lights. I put them out in the garden where I wanted them to end up, and inter-planted lightly with annuals. They never bloomed again, and never got more than a few inches tall. For the entire season, I had to make sure the annuals didn't smother them, kept pruning, pulling out, etc, so I had a huge blank in the middle of the bed. This spring, they all made it. I hope they make a better showing!

This year I have a new batch... Hmmmmmm. Platys have the rep of being difficult to move, which is why I put the babies in place last year. But I've moved other Platy plants a lot, especially young, always careful to dig deep around the taproot and add a rooting aid when planting, and have gotten away with it. I'm thinking bigger pots, or a holding bed for this year's newbies.

On the other hand, I have a bunch of Campanulas I think should go directly into their places. The Clips series, I have both blue and white, supposedly blooms the first year from seed. I hope that's true! And C Pyramidalis is short-lived but a prolific self-seeder, I'd like to get that going.

Most of the other perennial seedlings are already planted out, even the Linum, scrawny little things. They looked so much more substantial in pots on the shelf, but in the garden...puny. Amazing how that is!

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 2, 2014
1:56 PM

Post #9856704

hello Rookerie) Welcome to the thread , as everyone just ask about your seedlings , or past em in pic , and see what the answer might be,, lol your choice of dozens ,,
Mine are outside now .
I have been in the garage devising a water fountain , nothing fancy , maybe , only workable .. I eight years old again ,, lol multiply that a few times and then again ,,

Looking good there Pfg , Big sigh , you have a couple of my hopes .. lol


Hey rainy cloudy and misty here ,
good for plants
BIG Smile ^_^

Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

June 2, 2014
2:00 PM

Post #9856706

Welcome Rookerie! Say hello to TX from MI.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

June 2, 2014
10:31 PM

Post #9857183

[quote="warriorswisdomkathy"]Evelyn, oh yes, six would be lovely or however many you have that you want to get rid of... LOL, I have a whole backyard to work on this summer and most of the babies I put in during late fall didn't make it. (But those I put in a holding bed after the others went into the beds, made it thru the winter...think that's where I should have planted them all!!!)

Ok, Southern Charm is not the one that is sterile... (I had the V. that was. and that is the one that died out).. Thankyou!!! Big hugs, and let me know if you want something in return...or me to send $$$ first... Kathy[/quote]

Kathy ~ Are you looking to fill in a sunny or shady space? Moist, medium or dry?

For sun I have asters. veronica, phlox, daisies, and mums, and I will wait until the goldenrod blooms before I dig it up to divide it. I have many things for the shade in my shady nook, which is filling out and up quickly. Ferns, sweet woodruff, primroses...I can't think of all of them right now...brunnera, violets, pulmonaria...

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 3, 2014
3:22 PM

Post #9857914

Kathy, if I lived closer, I would gladly come weed for you. Might be hard to resist a pinch of this seed, a cutting here and there.. LOL! You'd be like, hey my weeder cleaned me out!! :D

Rookerie, well howdy neighbor!! This thread is awesome, the people and the tips :))

Pam, that is a marvel idea, a holding bed for wimpy transplants! Yet another thing to add to the todo list.. Wish that darn list would shrink but alas it only grows longer by the day..

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

June 3, 2014
6:23 PM

Post #9858118

That's why it's called the "todo" - everything - list.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 3, 2014
9:28 PM

Post #9858326

Turtles..lol. Yup todo everything list... I think mine gets longer evryday and I find myself adding some of the same things over and over a few weeks later...(WEEDING)

Thanks for the offer Becky!!! Truely appreiciated.. but I did get an offer today at garden club from one of the gals and in a few days I might just change my mind and give her a call, just depends on how much I can get done...Yikes...Weeds!!!!!!!

Welcome Rookeri!!! Ask away, all questions welcomed...never too dumb so don't be shy.. That's how we learn from each other. (Besides...no questions are dumb, no matter how experienced!)
Like Juhur said, you may get a few different answers and may find that there are a few ways to do things, so have to try and find which works for you...

Hey Pam, was wondering where you've been... or maybe you were wondering where I was...lol... Weeding...I finally decided it's time to get out my light that attatches to a stand..(floodlight on a 3 ft stand). Perfect for night time WEEDING..lol..OK, then I'll use it for night time planting... Forgot I even had bought it a few years back, was making a joke aboout working outside after dark and remembered I had bought it... Ya, what was that string on my finger for again...duh!!! The one I had before didn't have a stand so I use to pile up pots upside down to get it up off the ground so I could see what I was doing...this one attatches to a telescoping stand...nifty huh?!!!! Don't know how I forgot that I had bought one... Oh BTW, my platties are still on the porch...but I promise when the weeds are done planting begins!!!!

Gosh, did I mention that I have atleast 1000-2000 annuals( I lost count) to plant..and that doesn't include the perenns that I seeded...OMG...someone shoot me...(only joking) No please don't, I have too much to plant..lol. Later ...Kathy
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 4, 2014
1:49 AM

Post #9858408

OMG, Kathy... Good luck to you in getting it all done!!! I've missed you, but figured you've been out there non-stop weeding and planting, weeding and planting!

This is the first year I don't have dozens of flats out there waiting for attention, only a few. Two more flats in the city window, bringing them out to the country on Friday. Two Clematis Silver Moon arriving tomorrow, and one more delivery of a flat of Mum plugs next week, and that's it. Whew! I've never been this far ahead at this time of year!

I owe you some plants, but figure you're not ready. No rush on this end, they'll wait.,

I'm excited to be getting back to the house, it's been 10 days since we were there. I had work last weekend and several days during the week, so it was impossible to go. Last time we were there a few things were still breaking dormancy, and lots of stuff went in the ground. There have been some nice warm days since then, so I'm expecting that all those plants will be up and running by now. What's left to plant is mostly annuals and small edging and accent plants, and by the time I get there it should be obvious where they will fit in.

I'm zeroing in on the final choices for garden helpers. The guy who leans on his shovel and chats about problems in his garden that don't interest me is on his way out. So is the lady who 'knows her weeds' but only takes them out in the open areas and leaves them in the crown of good plants.

The skinny little teenager who lives 5 minutes away isn't much of a weeder in the perennials, but she does know her veggies, and she's great at schlepping bags of mulch and whatever else I ask her to do. I can use her for small projects. She's also available when we're not there to water the pots, etc. She rides her bike over. .

And the big winner is: The newly certified Master Gardener who can't make a living at it. She's working as a nurse on the 3-11 shift, which leaves mornings and weekends free to garden. Perfect! She doesn't know everything going on in my garden, but she knows things I don't. Hopefully she will help me cut down on mistakes, and maximize the garden's potential. It will be great to have someone knowledgeable enough to bounce ideas off of. And best yet, she's happy to work only the number of hours I can afford!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 4, 2014
3:31 PM

Post #9859124

Pfg , Nice to be ahead ,, hmmm I know the feeling is in my memory someplace ,,lol

Oh , yes ,, I am the guy leaning on the shovel ,, lol sounds exactly like me .. ^_^

Sounds like you all have been busy ,,
A small lavender Allium
A little campanula
Sprouted during the past two weeks .. planted a long while ago , around April 1st sometime .
All the seeds and plants are taking their time here this year .

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 6, 2014
8:09 PM

Post #9861218

oh well ,, A ligustrum from seed just over 6ft tall, fragrant . slow to start it is about 5 yrs, old

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Mipii
(Robin) Blissfield, MI
(Zone 6a)

June 6, 2014
8:24 PM

Post #9861224

So purty Ju, I can almost smell them. Everything seems late this year.

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

June 7, 2014
1:42 AM

Post #9861285

Good luck tomorrow Kathy!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 7, 2014
2:19 AM

Post #9861291

Hey Kathy, Good luck with your tour!!! I guess we won't hear from you until afterwards, you probably have too much to do outside, no time for sitting at the computer. But I hope you take lots of pics, and let us know how it all went.

You sent me a like of iris last year, and a few are beginning to bloom. There was one group marked numbers1- 5. You said you might be able to ID them when they bloom-- pic is #2, the first to open up, and a real beauty. Pallida will be opening soon, too.

This Lupine was from seed in 2010, bloomed the year after, then took a couple of years off. I'm very happy to see it again- it matches the Azalea that was nearly buried under a climbing hydrangea, which is blooming better this year. Next year should be really good.

Delphinium Bellamosum blooming in the Blue Garden- not my seedling, came from Graceful gardens this spring. I wonder if it will make as big a plant as the one I bought last year? I just love the color on this one!

Squash and Cukes sprouted in 3-5 days under lights in the city, now out here to be planted. Lots to do!!! Weeds went nuts over the last 10 days while we weren't here- yikes!

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 7, 2014
10:23 PM

Post #9862249

Mipii (Robin ) thought I would show some Stinging Nettle Hosting one of it's regulars , Red Admiral Butterfly

(or is it really Catnip pretending ) he , he ..

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juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 7, 2014
10:24 PM

Post #9862250

Pfg , I like the Flowers , Nice , Only gets better every season , doesn't it .

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 10, 2014
9:06 AM

Post #9864374

[quote="warriorswisdomkathy"]Gosh, did I mention that I have atleast 1000-2000 annuals( I lost count) to plant..and that doesn't include the perenns that I seeded...OMG...someone shoot me...(only joking) No please don't, I have too much to plant..lol.[/quote]

Whaaaaaa??? You are crazy! I mean that in the nicest way LOL!! I feel like an idiot for having 30-40 various seedlings still waiting to be planted out, I truly cannot fathom 1000! 😲

Pam the flowers are beautiful, that lupine is a stunner!

Ju you are by far, the best butterfly host. Or should I say 'cat daddy' LOL sorry bad joke this time courtesy of moi..
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 10, 2014
10:42 AM

Post #9864470

Yikes, Kathy! I guess you don't need a box from me, lol...

Wasn't this your garden club weekend? How did that go?

Big surprise this morning- one Lupine The Chatelaine started this winter has buds. I'm thrilled because the parent plant, which was from seed a few years ago, looked like it bloomed itself out last year. It's a gorgeous pink so I was sad not to have it-- and now I do :-). Pic is from 2012..

Another nice surprise is that two of the new pink Platycodon Perlmutterschale seedlings had double blooms. Judging by what happened last year, the plants that bloomed as seedlings didn't re-bloom until very late in the summer, and the seeds didn't mature. So the new plants are in the garden with the one from last year, which came back very strong. So this year I should get good seeds. (Pics 2,3)

Petunias and Lobelia looking good in the hanging baskets (4)

Angelica Archengelica finally made a patch, It's a biennial, took about 4 years to get enough of both one and two year plants. (5)

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

June 12, 2014
7:56 PM

Post #9866663

Lovely pictures, Pam. I might have to buy another camera...I hid mine so well, I have not found it for months. I miss sharing photos, even though I have to wait to go to town to post them as they go nowhere on my slow dial-up.

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 12, 2014
8:16 PM

Post #9866671

Yes, please do. I remember you have a lovely garden, and it would be a treat to see it again.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 12, 2014
8:18 PM

Post #9866672

Wow simply gorgeous! Your helper should feel lucky to have such pretty work environment :)

I have finally finished my non-gardening chores, and have my veggie garden where it's not as much work to maintain anymore.. time to start some more seeds! My inventory is at 400 different varieties, I finally got them all logged on an excel spreadsheet and have whittled my next batch down to 80 perennials. I'm gonna be a real busy girl again. LOL can't wait!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 12, 2014
8:37 PM

Post #9866688

Wow, Becky- are you competing with WWK, lol? You must have a lot of room! My place is not so small, but I'm running out of room in the beds I have currently, and I really, really don't want to start more. I'd rather concentrate on maintaining and refining what I already have.

It will be another year at least before many of the plants in these beds bloom... or vanish, which is always the other possibility, lol. But at least some things will be big enough to divide and fill in the empty spots. I'd like to end up with fairly low maintenance in most areas, and keep just a couple of special spots to play with.

So next year I plan to cut the list of perennials to seed way back, and do a better job with the annuals. Somehow they've gotten short shrift the last couple of years- started late, not nurtured well, planted haphazardly or not at all. Then I end up at the garden centers, buying the boring same-olds they all have just to fill in the blanks.

The one thing I'd like to try is seeding a few perennials outside this summer. I'm not quite set up for that, I'll have to think about how to go about it. But not yet, I'm still catching up with spring chores, lol.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

June 12, 2014
8:38 PM

Post #9866689

Logging your plants on a spreadsheet sounds harder than pulling weeds to me. I am bad at keeping records. I just don't want to do it for some reason.
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

June 12, 2014
8:54 PM

Post #9866701

[quote="Pfg"]So next year I plan to cut the list of perennials to seed way back, and do a better job with the annuals. Somehow they've gotten short shrift the last couple of years- started late, not nurtured well, planted haphazardly or not at all. Then I end up at the garden centers, buying the boring same-olds they all have just to fill in the blanks.[/quote]
Pam ~ This year I went to look for interesting annuals...and I did find a few...some orange (no name listed) petunias at Walmart, some cineraria, which is almost impossible to find, at HD. I have put them in large pots in the shade, and they are STILL in bloom, after cutting back, of course. Also a few nice annuals at my regular nursery. I did not grow any annuals this year except for my tomatoes. Anywhere I go, I look, though most of the time, I do not buy. I HAVE to have annual lobelia for my shade garden for when the lithodora goes out of bloom.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 12, 2014
9:36 PM

Post #9866709

I did a good job this year with the Petunias, Torenias, annual Salvias and White Lobelias. But then I never got to do the blue Lobelias, and when I went to buy them I was shocked-- they were Proven Winners, in 4" pots, for $5.15 each- and they were single stems!!! Not clustered in cell packs so you could rip each cell in half and end up with 12 little plugs dotted around the edges of a couple of big planters for around $3.

It was my Nicotianas and Cosmos that were spindly, misshapen or half broken from careless handling, and the poor Zinnias looked so weak I tossed them. Too bad, they were nice colors, including my favorite, Envy. Oh well...

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 12, 2014
9:56 PM

Post #9866713

SWPD) Becky lol I never thought much about it , but most of the time , it is more like the cat bosses us around ,! ^_^

Pfg , nice pics , my little pot Marigolds failed so did the purslane .
My "weed" type plants or natives all did well .
My zinnia from seed today 1&2
and some pitiful looking Echinacea sprouts as far as size

last a Marigold just to cheer this post up some

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 12, 2014
10:09 PM

Post #9866719

Hi!!!! thought I'ld stop in and see how things are... Am soo tired, another day pulling weeds. (11 1/2 hrs today).. In the back as watering in the front garden today. So much easier and not 10 million JJs to weed around... Atleast in the back most of the ground is bare, so I just had to slice the weeds just under the dirt...but not finished yet. Have more open ground and then the Iris patch.. and that's just the planting area that I've been working on... about half of the backyard... the rest of it is an OMG moment... But I got a reprieve from garden club. I got a call and asked if I wanted to move it up a few weeks... I politely said yes and was very relieved!!!! Soooooo, maybe, just maybe I might finish most of the weeding... LOL, who am I kidding.. But most will be gone. I hope to start planting this weekend, gotta get to those annuals, which will actually be easy!! I'm not planning on ammanding the soil like I do for perenns.. And Pam, anytime you send a box, it's always a thrill for me... I just got a wonderful box from Evelyn and was thrilled!!!! All potted up and will give them a few days and then outback in the new area...

Pam...just had to let you know...I had a mishap with one of the peonies...darn!!!!! Something on 4 legs came in and took a bite...darn, found a bud on the ground this morning. If it just would have asked first, I could have told it it wouldn't like it... Must be a young'in cuz there have been nibbles on a few things in the other garden too...things they don't normally like to bother.. I think this is the first time I've ever had them take the tops off some of my verbascum...usually they turn up their noses at the Verbascum... And I thought they were going to leave the Columbine alone this year and nope... But they did leave some blooms for me..they just tatsed the tops on a few plants..

Ok, I'm tired...I'm thinking it's early to bed tonight... Later gaters... Kathy

13Turtles

13Turtles
Springfield, OR
(Zone 8a)

June 13, 2014
3:03 AM

Post #9866769

After 11.5 hours I can't imagine how it could be an "early"night! I literally am not able even to be up that long, most of the time! No wonder you have x,000 seedlings and I have x0.

I realized something today about seedstarting that I was all excited to tell you guys, but it didn't stay in my mind long enough to make it to the keyboard. Boo.

Good night all.
Turtle
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 13, 2014
4:32 AM

Post #9866810

Chuckle... I have those moments all the time!

I've had peony buds disappear where I used to live, chomped by those rodents with hooves... I rescued a 3rd year Festiva Maxima when it was half the size of the original plant and brought it to CT, where it is now robust and thriving. Can't tell any more which one was the puny one.

Kathy, have you tried Thalictrum? They never touched that, not even tiny seedlings. That's a plant that's easiest to start outside. I surface sowed the seeds in a planter in the fall, just pressed lightly into the soil, and had babies in the spring. Watered all summer, planted out in the fall, bloomed next year. Easy, love that! I can send you some seeds this fall if you want.

warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 13, 2014
8:59 AM

Post #9867008

I would love some seed, any idea which variety you have? I did pick up some starter plants (2 1/2" pots) of T. aquiligifolium, delvai and Roche Brunianum, but they won't bloom til next year and a patch would be wonderful... Still wish I had the seed for the yellow that I had years ago (T. flavum if I remember).

Garden is almost finished being watered now...so I think I'll spend the day potting up some seedlings...want to finish up the Nicotians sylvestris so I can get them in the ground...yesterday... lol. Gosh, I'm soo late this year, here it is mid June already... Yikes... Many of the seedlings are Zinnias and I can just pop those into the ground easily as plugs..am thinking they should be fine. so this afternoon I believe I should try and figure out a scheme for placement... I know I should already have done that but everytime I tried (usually bedtime, I fell asleep)... Gotta figure out where the perenns will go in and then put the annuals around them this year... I figure less soil seen by sunlight will mean less weeds to pull later. Like I say annual planting in an open area is fairly easy... I've done 100+ in a day easily if they are all placed first. then it's just going along dig a hole and plop...tuck soil around and water when finished. Guess it's time to make a list of seedlings and new plants...from trades, divisions and (ooops) , lol, new plants I just bought... I need to stay away from the nurseries til I get some things planted...but you all know how that is...us PLANTAHOLICS.. just can't resist those few goodies you've been wanting.. or have a hard time starting... OK, gotta head out now, will be warming today into the 80*s... Might be that my 40* morning temps are gone for a while...don't really like it that cool but it usually means the rest of the day is cool too and great for all day chores. Need to get some of the babies out of the GH and get some sun on them so they can begin their journey...BLOOMS!!! Yeah!

Everyone have a great day... Kathjy
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 13, 2014
8:06 PM

Post #9867440

Lol, stay away from the nurseries?! Fat chance! Plantoholics one and all!

I think mine is Thalictrum Delavayi, and I also have a new one from last year, T Black Stockings, which Iwill be blooming soon. You're welcome to them!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 14, 2014
2:35 PM

Post #9867914

Pam, compete w Kathy?? Ha! I could should would never be able to compete w Kathy! I decided 80 might be a tad much, so I will do 40 types of perennials. Some for me, some to share at DG roundups. I have a lot of half empty (half full?) beds, and a lot of space to cram things willy nilly if I need to. I hope one day my beds look as low maintenance and carefree as yours do. That being said, I know LOOKING low maintenance and BEING low maintenance are often not the same but you get the gist..

Evelyn, I had to do it! I couldn't keep track of my seeds anymore and missed the sowing window for a lot of them this year because of it. I figure if I can log them and sort them into categories (veggies, annuals, perennials, tropicals, shrubs, trees, wildflowers, etc), then I can keep better track of what can be sown at certain times of year. I'm sure I'll still have issues but maybe not as bad? LOL here's to hoping anyway :)

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 14, 2014
2:45 PM

Post #9867922

Kathy, what could the critter have been? Do you have deer? Ugh after all that work I'd just cry! I heard once but not sure if it actually works, that if you hang a bar of Irish spring soap around plants that deer eat, they'll leave them alone. Like I said, never tried it, but I do know they don't like human scent, so maybe that strong smelling soap would actually work?

Turtle, LOL I call that a brainfart! If I don't get to something right away or write it down, poof! Gone! I joke that one day after I die, my kids will be cleaning out my personal effects and stumble upon my hundreds of lists and realize old ma was crazy! Wait they already know I'm crazy! Ha!
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 14, 2014
6:40 PM

Post #9868081

In the Hamptons, at the east end of Long Island, NY, where. I used to live, the deer were unstoppable. They ate all kinds of things they supposedly don't like- iris buds, rose buds, peony buds, Alchemilla. Rhodies, even boxwood. The only thing other than a high fence that slowed them down some was spraying Bobbet or Deer Fence or something similar, and not just once. You had to do it all the time. And you had to pick and choose what to protect- if you did your whole yard they'd get used to it and eat stuff anyway. A bar of soap? Hah! That might work if the odd deer came wandering through on the way to open land, maybe just browsing, but when they're hungry- and when they're crowded they're very hungry- fuggedaboudit! Garden wipeout!

Low maintenance is my goal, not my reality, lol! But thanks!

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 17, 2014
1:32 PM

Post #9870362

Well last fall was good yarrow , feverfew .


#3 The last lupine bloom

4-5 Hollyhock , purple coneflower

all from seeds

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warriorswisdomkathy

warriorswisdomkathy
Kiowa, CO
(Zone 5b)

June 17, 2014
6:17 PM

Post #9870553

Becky...Deer?!!! LOL, don't get me started!!!! Yes, I have herds of males and a herd of females... (Just saw the females the other day, but it looks as tho it's smaller this year, must have been about 6-8). I'm still waiting to hear if the town close to me ever thinned the herds that roam the area..(I'm about 3 miles away as the crow flies).

Finally got a big area in the back that I'll begin planting any day now... Am watering as I type... Gotta get those annuals in pronto. Garden Club gave me a repreive til 6/28. The Iris willl be done but most of the other things should be in bloom by then... Gosh still getting screwy weather. I had temps dip down into the upper 30*s just a few days ago...

Iris almost done blooming, and many of the perenns are not even ready to bloom yet, tho many have begun...but are all different heights... (must have been our cool weather is all I can guess.) ie, I've got Daisies right next to each other in the border. One plant might be 24" with buds and others are various hts.at 6-12" and nowhere near blooming yet...

Ok, have to cut it short again, gotta turn the water off on one sprinkler and on to the next zone...gosh I hope someday I can get it to be more automatic...Maybe when I figure out how and have the $$$ to do it... LOL... Later all...Kathy
evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

June 17, 2014
8:52 PM

Post #9870704

We have lots of deer every year. Irish Spring is a myth! That is why I moved two garden beds into the fenced garden area last fall through this spring. And lots of weeding in the new bed. I will have to sort out the colors of the daylilies after they bloom as the labels did get lost over the years for both beds.

It was a challenge to cram in 2 beds into one smaller one, though right now it looks pretty good, though it is quite crowded. I think I will eventually...gradually, move plants around, possibly taking up more room as I go, though there is not much more until I am right in the middle of 3 fruit trees, and then a path that goes by the Square Foot Gardens.

I am thinking about building a coldframe or two...I have reduced the size of my nursery area and put down new weed cloth.

And where the "Hot Bed" used to be, I planted several types of juniper, 2 types of santolina, and several varieties of euphorbia, some variegated boxwood, 2 golden barberry. One juniper was eaten down to the nubs...but is hanging in there. I moved it around, and now it has not been eaten any further. I have left the daffodils and allium in there. Some daylilies, callas and lilies, that were dormant, I did not see to move them at the time. They are in bloom now.

I just got tired of all that spraying and then having them eat the plants anyway is why I moved them all. Even if the daylilies bloomed, they never got very big since they got eaten later in the season. I did not move the goldenrod, though they got eaten earlier in the season, and the Mexican Tarragon...Tagetes lucida, I think, is still growing undisturbed. I probably should dig up the gladiolus and move them to the new bed. I wonder what will happen. What do you think?
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 18, 2014
5:18 AM

Post #9870842

I can't say I blame you... I know how relentless they can be. What they did at Mom's is just sad. DD is battling with the same problem. They live in a lovely hilly, wooded area surrounding a large lake. Deer habitat for sure. She's trying to plant only what they won't eat, haha. That seems to change with the weather.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

June 24, 2014
9:48 AM

Post #9876176

Wow y'all, major deer issues huh? Lol! Before we moved here, my husband used to hunt here. Specifically leases land just for deer hunting and it's only 5 minutes down the road. I have never seen a deer grazing my yard. I was always teasing when he'd leave to hunt, calling him Bambi killer, but if they start eating my plants, I may start sending him out more often.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

June 26, 2014
12:24 PM

Post #9878241

No deer here ,, just me , I nibble and chew on about everything out there .. lol

two trays and a Pot of Purslane . #4 A grassy looking something from wintersow next to two small Baptisia plant seedlings
A photo of a rue leaved looking seedling ,,

Someone on these threads said I was good at the "Non Growing Gig" I am at it again ,, all right with me though , I get the Plants ^_^ lol


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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

June 27, 2014
12:08 PM

Post #9879172

All the tomatoes have been put in their containers or SFG's. Some are staked, some are in cages. I do not have enough sturdy cages or even strong stakes, like rebar or something like it.

My hopes are dashed for lettuce with the tomatoes. All the lettuce has bolted, or is too tough now to be tasty. One plant of raddichio (chicory) is nice and has been cut for salads many times.

The calendulas are beginning to bloom. The ones marked 'Apricot Daisy' are not that. So there are several different orange and bright yellows...I think one of them is 'Apricot Daisy'. I got the seed at Lowes and it is a Burpee seed. I liked that color for the former "Peach of a Garden", which no longer exists. At least they are in the now "Hot Bed", as it is the combo of bright and soft warm and hot colors. Right now it is a jumble, but I hope to eventually get it sorted out.

I have stuffed too many plants in this smaller space from 2 gardens moved to be protected from the deer by a tall fence. I will have to sort it out, little by little.

Already the other beds are too full, except for the White Flower Garden, of which I am reserving space for some selected perennials. I did get the white hibiscus 'Blue River' and it is just starting to show.

It is almost time to start some seeds for the biennials. I will be starting some Canterbury bells, as I do not have any right now. Maybe some perennial campanulas as well, as they are not long-lived for me. Is anyone else starting seeds in late summer? Mine came out so well from a summer sowing last year. The foxglove are a good size now and have all been planted in their places. They should bulk up nicely in fall to have a spectacular display next spring...we'll see. I just got all the shastas planted in the White Flower Garden. I have to pull out the wild daisies, which made a nice temporary show this spring. I have a small bed set aside for them, and do cut them back after flowering, but the seedlings are far and wide.

Does anyone ever think what happens to our gardens, once we leave them? Either we move or we pass on...then what becomes of the gardens we work in for so long and hard.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 27, 2014
12:51 PM

Post #9879213

I've been thinking about starting some Lupines this summer. I'd like them to bloom next spring, if possible. Also, I have some gorgeous Verbascums and I'd like more. I had a very tough time getting the seed to germinate inside, only got one plant, but WWK sent me some seedlings that returned.

I was thinking to pre-treat the seeds the way I did last winter, soak 24 hours, then freeze 24 hours, then sow outdoors. Or I could do Deno (that worked for Lupines, not for Verbascum), then sow.

Is it better to sow in situ? I haven't had great luck that way. I got some Thalictrums a couple of years ago by sowing in a large pot at the end of the summer, and by spring there were seedlings. I let them grow on in the pot and moved them in the fall. This year they'll bloom for the first time.
Shorty_CA
Manhattan Beach, CA
(Zone 10b)

June 27, 2014
1:16 PM

Post #9879232

Juhur7 I don't nibble and chew but I have a few feral cats that do ^_^.

Here are a few pictures of my seed sowing experiments. I've learned never to use mixes of seeds again. My flower beds aren't much larger than a postage stamp and I have no control over what germinates where.

If someone offered me a million dollars I still wouldn't be able to germinate seeds indoors. I've murdered thousands. I even fail using the Deno method.

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evelyn_inthegarden
Sierra Foothills, CA
(Zone 8a)

June 27, 2014
1:28 PM

Post #9879243

I sowed them in one of the SFGardens...like a seedbed. Much better than any seedbed I could construct. Then I put plastic flats over them so they would not dry out. This one was very close with the "weave" of plastic, so it was mostly shady. I would take the flats off at the end of the day so they would get nice air circulation, then put them back on in late morning so during the heat of the day, they would be protected.

Right now all are full but one, and even that one is almost full...with tomatoes!! Next year, fewer tomatoes, or more pots...????

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Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

June 27, 2014
7:26 PM

Post #9879525

Great idea, I could use one of my raised veggie beds. And I could put a piece of floating row cover loosely over the seeds for protection. Since I'm not always present, it has to be something that can be left on for days at a time.

juhur7

juhur7
Anderson, IN
(Zone 6a)

July 3, 2014
8:46 PM

Post #9885102

Anyone in favor of re-starting this thread ?
Here's that lupine Still blooming , gives an idea of how cool the weather has been here this season so far .

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Shorty_CA
Manhattan Beach, CA
(Zone 10b)

July 4, 2014
9:56 AM

Post #9885469

I hope this thread restarts. I still have so many seeds that I want to plant.

After killing so many thousand seeds, I hope I've learned enough to have better luck. The past several weeks I've been focused on getting cuttings to root. I've successfully rooted six brugmansias and several other plants.
Pfg
(Pam) Warren, CT
(Zone 5b)

July 5, 2014
5:25 AM

Post #9885924

Okay, new thread started:

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1367627/

See you all there!

Pam

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