Okay so a little while ago I posted a pic of where I was hoping to make a pond well Sunday I got out there and started digging. I only got it a little over 2 ft deep its 8ft by 4ft..I hate digging.I got the liner put in and we surrounded the top and framed it with wood. I didn't want to spend a bunch if money so I worked with what I had.I have one question though do you put anything on the bottom of the pond like sand? It just looks so black.here's some before and after pics
It is far easier to keep the pond clean with out anything on the bottom of the pond. After you have water in your pond, the color of the liner won't be so stark. If you have waterlilies potted up and sitting in the bottom of your pond, they too will go a long way towards making the bottom of the pond hard to see.
Hopped in and put the lights in tonight.while I was doing that the neighbor complained about the pond being to loud and asked if I could turn it off at night.I'm like damnit but I fixed my pump so it doesn't make to much noise splashing water.#neighborproblems.
I have a Quite One 4000 pump on the filter it does 991 gph and the pump on the fountain is the 2200 it does 594 gph,got the pumps for $20 on clearance at Petco a year ago.I was like I think these might come in handy someday lol.The neighbors house is about 50 feet from my pond there is one window on that side of their house,funny thing is they have a pond also.But yeah the water was splashing pretty loud I just had to cut the vinyl tube so it was shorter.I have one big goldfish in there right now so shutting of the pump is not going to happen.I know it was a little soon for a fish but I got a 75 gallon fish tank for free catch was I had to take the fish also.
You seem to do well with the deals Queenie. That is awesome.
My closest neighbor is 35 feet from us and we did ask them how they felt about the noise. They were fine and joked about the noise. We also have a wall fountain that runs water as well, so we are rather noisy here, but it doesn't seem to bother anybody.
Your goldfish needs the aeration, so I wouldn't shut it down. ^_^
the stupid harsh winter pretty much killed my dwarf weeping spruce,I gotta dig him up and move him and see if he bounces back.Right now its like your sitting there by the pond and all I notice is this tree.
If you want to see how to figure exact gallons of your pond plus what size pump you would need check out E-how.com.
All I can remember its LXWXD X 7.48 which would make your pond about 478..72 gals. If you have accessories you also have to take into consideration head feet. Distance from top of pump to top of waterfall for instance and add more water handling volume for that. .
Just type in how to calculate pond gallons etc. and there's a lot of info that comes up.
As far as neighbors my formula is ignore them. We are on 15 acres but have open land across the road from us which could be developed some day. If it is ponds are still staying with their noisy waterfalls etc.
Bonnie Lol I totally agree! I just thought it was strange coming from her when she has a pond on her deck. But yes I am enjoying this so much its so peaceful and relaxing to watch the water.I just need some more fish and plants.
Ditto Carolyn, yard looks beautiful. Guess I'm not the only one that likes blue. Blue can be 221 variations. Learned that in one of my drapery workrm. classes years ago. Blue is also the sign of a mellow personality. Doesn't apply to me. LOL
Carolyn, kill your neighbor with kindness. One of my neighbors learned we shoot dogs that get into our pasture with cows. After baking Christmas cookies one year I carried a large plate of cookies up to him and the look on his face was priceless. Well worth the effort. They have lived out here about 7 years. Still have never seen his wife and guess she doesn't want to meet her neighbors but that's ok. Angus cattle are a little to expensive to have damaged by dogs and we have had it happen before. Young couple nearest to us are wonderful. I don't have time to visit neighbors much but I like them to know I would help out in any emergency situation or need. Sooooo smile at the neighbor that's a PIA and you will feel better about it even if they don't.
Queen, you should be very proud of your beautiful yard. Mine looks like an overgrown jungle but what can I say. People are always giving me plants or fish and can't refuse a gift. That would be rude. LOL
Happy gardening & fish keeping.
Update pond is doing awesome haven't lost any fish either.Had to remove another dead bush though but found a awesome replacement! So yeah did some new planting around the pond.Also cool find my serviceberry tree next to the pond has 2 cercropia moth caterpillars! So yeah things are going great.
Wish I had a neighbor that kept a yard looking as beautiful as yours. Really well organized and eye candy.
I love your blue fish in 1 bed. Gardening is food for the soul and wonderful to keep the body moving.
Enjoy your accomplishments.
Looks great. Will you grow some climbers on the trellis by the fence. To sort of block out the neighbor's yard. A beautiful clematis or rose. I have trouble growing either one up here except rugosa which are not climbers.
I have read about them Carolyn. I bought an Emily Carr (part of the Artist series) last year and it was gorgeous and strong. But it didn't come back this year. It is part of the Morden family. Morden Fireglow, however, has come back year after year. I need to move it though as the Ligularia on one side and the Amur maple on the other have put it into too much shade. Hate to move it but it has survived moves before so hopefully I won't kill it off.
So I'm getting a bit further with the new pond...don't have the upper water falls and stream done yet, but had to take advantage of the 500lb liner being moved while my strong son in laws were here!
Picture 1 - west end Picture 2 - east end
Due to the insanely intense rain we've had, it's filling up, and I'm not ready for it to just yet! :)
The east upper right corner has a ledge about 5 x 4 to put my water lilies on, it's only maybe 12 inches deep. They are smaller tropical lilies...once I split them, the rest go to Bonnie!
Once I get the water fall completed, the rest of the rock will go around. No rocks inside.
Then the plants... Lilies, water iris, lotus, and umbrella palm.
Up the stream and around the water fall will be very tropical and jungley. Cannas, coleus, caladiums, etc.
Finally getting somewhere! Main pond is done (but not planted or decorated) Working on the waterfall stream (upper left) which is about 20 feet long and 4-5 feet wide, with a 3 foot planting birm on the one side.
That's why it took me so long. I had to shovel the whole thing by hand, no equipment will fit through our tiny side yards. I still have a massive pile of dirt to figure out what to do with. Most fish in there are around 24-30 inches. Sadly, I will have to get rid of some of them, it's already overloaded and I have others still in the small pond and pool. I keep trading them back and forth to see what colors look best, and then will get rid of the rest.
That is almost (not quite) funny. Color matching your fish. Over the top!! lol
I cannot imagine hand digging that pond. Any guess on how many tons of dirt that is. Can't you make a kind of rolling landscape, especially around the edges of your property. And obviously getting height for your falls and stream would be a good use also.
We're trying to fill in little areas with sand. That's all we have here in Florida, and the area all around us is flat as a pancake. The waterfall even slightly looks out of place because hills aren't a common thing here in Orlando. Most of the sand went into a birm for the falls, but I had to outline it with cement block walls, otherwise sand just goes back to flat everytime the wind blows :) Yesterday I used the canned construction foam to help hold areas of sand around the cement block, so my waterfall won't collapse. I know Bonnie had to put wood walls around the inside of her pond so the sandy walls wouldn't collapse. I offered it as clean fill dirt on CraigsList, but because you can't get equipment into my tiny back yard, no one wanted to hand dig the pile out of here. Que sera, sera...I'll figure something out! :)
Yes. I can see you have a problem. Sand is not a good 'texturing' material. So in order to get 'rid of' the excess sand you have to bring in some other material to contain it. Shoot. Bring in Gravel and concrete mix and make concrete out of it. That would hold up !! :) My husband and I poured the footings for our house many years ago. It was built on wooden beams that had rotted after the '67 flood. So we jacked it up, drilled 6' holes every few feet and filled them with concrete (using our small electric mixer) to form a solid base, then built the forms over them. Then we had the concrete truck come in so we had a continuous pour for the footings. 4 rows of block, drop the house, and we just made it before snow flew that winter. What a job.
Yeah. It took a while. The house was small 20x40. After the forms were built and the cement truck came, when they started to pour a span that had no dirt support, just maybe 5' across the forms sagged and we started losing concrete. Jim raked it back from the break, stopped the pour and reinforced. This was not a pretty project. Oh, we also crawled in the dirt crawl space, about 3' in height and slid new floor joice up next to the old ones that were rotting on the foundation end, used a jack to get them all aligned, then nailed them together. Miserable job but it all worked. Our heat was an oil stove in a 4' hollowed dirt space in the crawl space fed by copper tubing from an elevated 55 gallon drum. When it got really cold, like -25 and lower (much lower) the heating oil would form an ice plus where it went into the wall. Jim would go outside with a blow torch and I would go down stairs and loosed the celinoid to get the fuel run a bit then tighten it up again. All else failed we had a little propane stove (a real one though very small) that we would run to keep from freezing up. Those were the days.
I won't have a bio-well because I have a large 10,000gallon bio bead filter which will be behind the top of the falls, lead into an Aquascape Waterfall Spillway, down the stream (which will be planted , making a bio area) and drop into the pond. The pond will be planted with Umbrella palm and Purple stemmed taro. The water lilies may or may not make it on the plant shelf due to the koi being so large.
In all honesty, I have NO clue...but it's what I'm going with! :)
I guess in 3 months, when I report back, we'll know if it worked or not! lol
I'm a budget person, so always looking at ways to be cheap, yet effective. The bead filter I got at the last Koi show, here in Orlando, on the last day, last 5 minutes, and they just didn't want to pack it all up to ship back. Got it for an $800 discount. $1600 originally. Heck no, I don't have that kind of money for my backyard hobby. So, Craigslist and eBay are my friends, and I figure our ways that good old mother nature got things to work! hopefully... ;)
Well, dang. Just as I hit send on a fairly long comment my provider dropped out and I lost it all.
Well, in short you scored on that filter. I would have walked around it and around it and suffered the pangs of hell then bit it off and bought it also. No way $800 isn't a big tag. And I am not known for fretting over tags. lol.
But I find it so rewarding to read what you guys have built yourselves, you and Bonnie, and others. You have the process that is in itself rewarding in its creativity. I love DIY, and repurposeing just for the fun of it. I doubt I will have another pond as we are constrained by power lines- buried- a high water table, and not much ground. And it is unlikely we will move in my time. But if I did I would cheerfully steal all I have learned here about getting it done yourself. It is not magic and doesn't require a science degree. Just knowledge of the hobby, willingness to work like a dog (still can't believe you dug out that entire pond by hand) and a sincere interest in building the best you can. Then sitting back and watching your pets enjoy and thrive because of all that work.
The only reason I cracked and paid the 800 was because I wasn't going to pay for anything else except the liner, which I had already purchased the year before. So yep, it took 3 times as long, but it was my own free labor. I got the rocks for free if I was willing to load them myself, and of course, being a cheapo, I was. My hubby helped on that one thankfully!
I've seen some really pretty above ground ponds, so maybe that's a way you could lean? I have a power cable under my pond, which is why it's not as deep as originally planned. Not as much of a problem here in Florida as it would be in your area.
YIPEE, M. Mary,
I am so happy to see the fruits of your labor. I know your fish are happier now. That stream bed is really going to set it off beautifully. I am very anxious to hear your assessment of the bead filter. Doubt I'll ever have one but still interested on how well they perform. Had to replace another pump but Aquatic Eco. honored the warranty so it was free. It's for 3 years and now I've had 2 that didn't last over 2 years. They called mfg. and they told them it was still under warranty. Thank God.
Wish there was a way to get into your backyard with my Kubota. I'd have that dirt out of there in no time. Charlie built some loading ramps for his large 5th wheel hay trailer as we have been hauling lawn mower to church ea. week and mowing. Then they needed my Kubota to level some dirt so he came home and built them. A 42" riding mower will fit into our cow trailer but the Kubota wouldn't. Looks small when loaded but heck it gets it wherever it needs to go. Will the pond fill up most of your backyard. Will cut down on grass mowing which is great. I asked Charlie if he wanted to build a third pond where I can't get grass to grow and I won't say his answer. Which included you must be nuts. The yard is very loud now with 2 waterfalls but I like the sound.
It was 42 here this morning but it will warm up some by noontime. Perfect weather for pond building.
Got pots of cranberry hibiscus and your welcome to some. I realize you don't have many plants now. HaHa Heck plant up the whole place and forget the grass.
CONGRATULATIONS I just knew you would get er done.
that's great. I have no more snow and what we had melted. I only have a small layer of ice on the pond and the pipe dropping water in the pond is keep a large area of surface ice free. then the little pond deicer at the other end has a little area open.
Do you think your really heats the pond rather than simply keeping the surface open. wonder what the temp is down lower?
Today I turn 77 and am so thankful to only have a few pains in legs.
Oberon my water temp is 50 now so I won't feed for a while. Next week we are supposed to be back up in the 70's which is fine with me.
Glad your pond heaters are working so good. You could get temp of water by dropping in (on a string of course with a weight) to see what water temp is at bottom. My fish have been hanging around at bottom more. I haven't fed them for a couple of days. My son came over yesterday and cut and put in all new filtration material I had bought. Says it should perform much better than the stuff I was using. I shall see. Sure will be much easier to handle.
Cookie baking is over for now. Made up enough to fix up 35 plates to give out. My kitchen floor is a sticky mess so time to scrub that. Glad we are going to sons for Christmas. He is doing the cooking and I will just take a couple of pies etc. I'm keeping the etc. down this year.
Had my turn for Thanksgiving.
Hope you all are keeping warm that are up north. Our heat has been on for 3 days steady and my husb. likes to live in a hot house. Not me but it has been quite cold here. Feb. is usually our coldest month and often requires covering plants.
Take care all and don't work too hard at hosting and cooking.
35 plates !! Holy cow. I only do two or three baskets. And of course stuff for freezing and eating later on. My son and his family came over last night for dinner and stayed til 9pm. Had a really good time. Today I want to make Kruschiki (Polish Bow Ties), popcorn balls, and Rosettes (the ones where you dip the 'branding iron' into batter then into hot oil.) If I have time, Hazelnut balls and Ginger Crinkles. OH, I want to make gingerbread men also.
I do so enjoy baking. And the local yarn shop where I knit sometimes is always a good place to take a plate.
We are holding in the 20's which is just fine with me. Just enough snow to cover the garden but would like more. As with you, Jan-Feb brings colder weather and usually more snow in March.
Take care. And happy belated birthday. I turned 68 in October. Looking forward to 70. lol
Happy Birthday Bonnie! I had no idea! Blessings and health to you!
Making linzertorte cookies tomorrow. I love hazelnuts and raspberries! Apricot thumbprints and cutouts, both regular and chocolate.
My baby fish are now about 2 inches. So far they've survived the cold nights, keeping my fingers crossed! Haven't finished my waterfall, with the holidays and work, it's just gone to the back burner. I'll get out there eventually...
M. Mary, God only gave us 2 hands cause he knew if he gave more some of us would work ourselves to death. I know in 2015 you will complete your pond and landscaping and it will be beautiful and you can sit and admire it. At least once in a while.
Oberon, would love to know how to make Kruschiki. Sounds yummy as does everything you mentioned.
Got a new scale for Christmas. Gained 4 pds. Better change my eating habits in 2015. I rec'd a box of swiss chocolates with honey & almond noucat and that I can't leave alone. Also my grand dgt. gave me small box of choc. covered blueberries. They all know I'm a blueberry lover. When its al gone I sure won't buy more.
Temp outside is about 80 so guess I can throw some feed to the fish. Come spring I plan to move out all fish and pressure wash each pond well. I am getting a new press. washer shortly. I seem to use one all the time.
These are my MIL's mother's recipes. Same cookie. Must be rolled as thin as you can handle. I suspect it takes a lot of practice to get it thin but still tough enough to handle. Puffs up in the fryer. Oh, my GMIL's name was also Mary. Mary Sobeleski Somonovich. Her parents were from Poland but she was born in New York.
I am getting a pressure washer 3,000psi like I had a few years ago but this one is key start. Yanking on a cord doesn't appeal to my back anymore. I make real sure the washer doesn't stay in any one spot for even a min. I have washed the liners many times this way and no holes yet. Your right you do have to be careful. I use a PW for lots of cleaning chores and if they are real strong I stand back away from whatever I am working on.
I printed out the recipes and hope to try them during the year before next Christmas. Got to do them right before I give any away.
Everyone is asking for more filled cookies but I'm sick of baking for now. I told them give me a couple of mos. Also, they aren't cheap to make. Worse part is I love to eat the disfigured ones and that's what disfigures me. Need more won't power. Won't eat them.
I may give it a try this spring. I don't completely empty the pond just being it way down which exposes most of the rock and part of the liner in the shallower end. I'll ask D what he thinks. Our washer will peel up trek decking if you are within 6 inches of it.
I NEVER get that close to much of anything when spraying. I don't think any PR will take the little rooting hairs of creeping fig off my walls. Was told by a painter I'd have to use wire brush.
Hope he's wrong. Got a friend that's got a 4,500 PR so maybe I can talk him into doing it or trying.
I'm sure I won't be ready to paint the house anytime soon and fig is already growing up house again. However, I do like the looks of it. I can always put some cattle panels on spacers to keep it off house and slip it when it gets to the top. Last time it grew up into our attic by going through peak vents. Oh well that's nature for you.
Happy New Year! My daughter called from Texas last night right before their new year (4 hours ahead of us), and some from the Netherlands. We are all off and running into spring 2015. Can hardly wait for the pond to thaw and the garden to grow.
Guess you left the hose on in the smaller pond and killed all her fish? Yep, this guy. Sheesh.
Tought I'd top it off and let the water bake in the sun before we have this cold snap. One thing leads to another, and my old brain forgets, I go out to feed them this morning and...oh crud.
I'm reading from PentairAES.com catalogue.
Matala RM98 high density filtration media. I'ts blue and 1 1/2" thick 391/2" L X24 sheets only.
Comes in black, green, blue and dark gray.
Made of flexible fiber compound. This filtration media is used in many applications in the aquaculture & koi pond markets. It is excellent for removing solid wastes and unlike other filter padding totally resists compression. Solid fibers are very resistant to sludge buildup and clogging making cleaning easy. Features a lot of surface area making it good for biological filtration. Great for low pressure, gravity fed skimmers and filters. Matala is positively boyant and may require anchoring in submerged applications. Charlie stood and read this to me as I couldn't read small type with book sitting on my desk. Sometimes he's helpful.
We cut it by heating up with small propane torch a butcher knife and went right through it. So far it has proven to be the best filtration media I have used. Doesn't have to be cleaned but about twice a year so for me that's great. Come summer I am going to do thorough cleaning of all things ponds including rocks around top.
Just checked my journal book: it was cut and put in both waterfalls and both skimmers Dec. 13 2014 and so far water is staying crystal clear. YIPEE Original company name Aquatic Eco-Systems hence new name Pentair AES. I bought a full case for about $124. It can't be shipped rolled. Hope you can find it some place closer to you as freight might eat you up. I drove over and just picked it up. If you want me to call them and check out freight cost to Alaska I will.
Hopefully you can find it someplace closer.
I actually did get some of this, the black and green ones. But I didn't think that as open weave as they are they would filter the 'fines' coming into the skimmer very well, or the algae that is floating in the water dead but needs to be removed. I use the fine filter pads and they require cleaning once or twice daily in the early summer and fall apart after all that wrestling around by summer end. I could see the matala as an media for building up the good bugs in the biowell though. In fact I think we cut one to go under the three 2" fine pads and bags of charcoal. I just don't see how the matala is fine enough to keep the water crystal clear. Which my pond generally is, just has a green tint from algae on the bottom and rocks. I use a push broom and a scrub brush with long handle to clean those then it gets sucked into the skimmer and the fine mesh picks it all up. I have no doubt I am doing it the hard and most work intensive way but short of investing in some really pricey gadgets like a bead filter... I also have an external filter with bio-balls and 25 VH, drat, what is that purple light called. And another 55 light all by itself. About 36" long.
I saw that some people had been using the scrub pads from floor scrubbers, which are available at Lowes, Walmart, and Home Depot (and ebay for cheaper) They come in 4 different textures, and are one zillionth the price of normal filter pads. They are round disks, so I assume would fit in most canister pressure filters...
I realize every ones water is different. Don't have any algae is large pond but maybe cause that has no rocks beneath water. small pond has some algae on rocks but I will press. wash that off when summer comes. Warmer water seems to grow algae better. My son thinks algae growing on the rocks is pretty as long as the water is very clear which mine is.
All the fine filtration material I used to use fell to pieces and really filthy so I cut it up and am using it for filler in bottom of flower pots. I figure all the fish waste in it should help the plants.
Purple light--UV clarifier I think you mean. They are wonderful.
As I pressure wash I have a trash pump running in bottom of ponds and throw all that stuff into flower beds. Than I will vacuum both ponds if there is any junk left. Still haven't cleaned out the filter mats since last Dec. when I first put them in. The guy that helped my son cut and fit pads for waterfalls and skimmers says he only cleans it twice a year. That's fine with me. I am sorry you have to work so hard to keep your pond clean. I still haven't put the bio-balls back in anywhere. I'm getting older and need most carefree ponds I can possibly get. I think when Merry Mary sees my ponds she will agree I don't really need a bead filter which can't really afford. Will have to take some pictures on a warm day and post.
Most repeated task is scooping off oak leaves which I would still like to build nets onto hinged boards to trap and then just tip them off pond surface. That's a future project I hope.
I'm looking forward to koi show in March in Orlando. Hope to buy a kohaku to add more color to large pond. Smaller pond has room for more fish since heron had lunch of 1/2 of them but I put smaller fish in there until they grow larger. Have 1 pearly white one that is due for transfer to large pond but I'll wait until spring to move.
Maybe different sun, weather etc. I have virtually no shade on my pond. Maybe if my apple tree every really grows some leaves it might give some shade at noon. I am glad you have a system to allows you to maintain your ponds without the extra labor. Guess it is the price I pay for trying to pond in Alaska .. lol
I give you much credit for ponding in Alaska's climate. Must be a challenge.
Ponds are work here also but at least we do it in warm weather and don't freeze our tush off.
I scoop some oak leaves off top every day but only takes a few minutes. My water is still at 50 degrees so I'm still feeding fish. They look like they are getting larger all the time. Usually I don't feed during the winter but so far we have had mild winter. Usually Feb. gets pretty cold so I had better not brag.
Will be great when summer comes and you can see and enjoy your fish again. Hang in there.
It IS crazy weather! Of course, I'm sicker than a dog, as is most of my family. No fun. Just looking forward to sun and temps above the 20's and 30s. I'm a high school coach, so my work is outdoors and until 10pm. Brrr it's been cold and wet this past week. I need to thaw out and warm up. Antibiotics are my friend right now, as are the Vicks Vapo-rub tissues...Lord, bring me some sun!
Last year there was a lot of tanks inside full of different kinds of goldfish including those that Jeff likes with the big heads and wren on top. Think yours was named Edlardo. That just popped into my head. Don't really have great memory.
Well off to drs for CT scan. Boy will I be glad when all these tests are over. PIA
Best of luck on your tests! I know I'm certainly ready to feel better, so wish the same to you and Charlie!
That's funny that you remember my fat fishes name (Ed-Lard-O) :) My daughters and neice named him. Talked to NextDayKoi from ebay, and he said he won't have any Chinese Veiltails until spring and summer. By then I'll probably have killed off a few dozen leaving the hose in or whatever lunkheaded things I do from time to time. :)
Usually I can't remember a persons name but that fishes name just popped into my head probably cause it was different.
Maybe they would have some at Koi show?
Hope you decide to go. The man that has the Chinese high fin sharks is listed as one of the vendors that will be there. Last time they were sold out before we even got there. He gave me his card and told me to call him before he left home. Now if I can just find it. LOL