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HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 1, 2014
2:49 PM

Post #9882844

Here are pictures of tomato leaves, the fern-ier ones are very tall, grow straight up, and have no flowers at all yet.
HeatherY

Thumbnail by HeatherY   Thumbnail by HeatherY   Thumbnail by HeatherY
Click an image for an enlarged view.

RickCorey_WA

RickCorey_WA
Everett, WA
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2014
3:37 PM

Post #9882884

They sure look healthy!

You might stop giving any additional nitrogen, and next year give them less N to start with.

If they are already very tall, and that vigorous, but have no flowers at all, maybe they already got more N than they really needed and are putting all their energy into covering the earth with leaves instead of making fruits and seeds.

1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 1, 2014
5:26 PM

Post #9883033

Too much Nitrogen

kittriana

kittriana
Magnolia, TX
(Zone 8b)

July 1, 2014
5:30 PM

Post #9883040

Try taking a dish towel and beating them a bit- it simulates rough spring weather and makes them think they are dying- that might help and is worth a try.
How large is the pot they are in? Is it sitting on concrete? if not they might try rooting under the pot so dont move them.
gardadore
Saylorsburg, PA
(Zone 6a)

July 2, 2014
7:36 PM

Post #9884171

Try feeding them with some liquid bonemeal.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 2, 2014
7:47 PM

Post #9884184

Great idea. I have to ask what type of tomato are the fernier ones?
gardadore
Saylorsburg, PA
(Zone 6a)

July 2, 2014
8:12 PM

Post #9884200

I would like to know what the fernier ones are too! Also how long has it been since these tomatoes were transplanted? Not sure where Kensington, NY is but up until recently you probably had cooler nights than normal just as we have in NE Pa. So many things can play a role but I like the suggestion of the others that it may be too much nitrogen.

I think some tomatoes just take longer than others to produce flowers. I have 47 varieties this summer and there are still some that have not set flowers. They are in straw bales and were fed the same stuff as the rest of the tomatoes that are already blossoming. Several of them are potato leaf if that makes a difference. They certainly did not get more nitrogen than the rest. Time will tell!
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 6, 2014
3:31 PM

Post #9887091

Hi there everybody!
In no real order here are answers
-Kensington is in Brooklyn New York it is a neighborhood name.
_The Fernier Ones are volunteers/ winter survivors from last years crop of indeterminate
cherry tomatoes theat grea all over the place and produced more fruit than the me, my family the birds and the bugs could eat!

The others, BTW, are Wisconsin 55's I started from seed.
there could be some of this strain a neighbor gave me the produced standard size
tomatoes with a sort of point on the bottom they mostly filled out as they grew.

They are not in a pot. I have only fetilized recently one or tow times this season via
a foliar/rootmiracle grow thingy - the blue crystals that dissolve on water.

A real storm just beat em up a bit.( Bye Arthur!)

HeatherY

DreamOfSpring

DreamOfSpring
Charleston, SC
(Zone 9a)

July 6, 2014
4:00 PM

Post #9887124

I don't think those volunteers (the fern-leaf ones) are actually tomatoes. Sorry, but I'm pretty sure that's a weed.

drthor

drthor
Irving, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 6, 2014
4:04 PM

Post #9887127

funny ... I was just thinking the same ... I never seen these kind of tomato leaves ... but still lots too learn.
Let us know if you will get fruits from that plant.
MaypopLaurel
Cleveland,GA/Atlanta, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 6, 2014
4:14 PM

Post #9887143

The first photo appears to be a weed. You don't list your zone in your info but I can figure out your location. I was late in planting, by a month, and am just now having tomatoes flower and set, including cherries. Don't do anything besides exercise patience.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

July 6, 2014
8:12 PM

Post #9887305

I'm not sure it's a weed but I don't think it's a tomato plant. I could very well be wrong only time will tell.

DreamOfSpring

DreamOfSpring
Charleston, SC
(Zone 9a)

July 7, 2014
6:01 AM

Post #9887483

Looks like annual ragweed, something you don't want to cultivate, especially if you have seasonal allergies.

Here is the Plant Files entry: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/32136/

Here is a closeup pic: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=1459012

Google images for ragweed: [HYPERLINK@www.google.com]
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 7, 2014
12:02 PM

Post #9887836

Thanks for the link, Dream. Maypop, 1lisac, I am going to have another close look at those
ferny plants!

I have a stack of allergies- pollen, mold, pet dander ( if I have never met your pet before- I have three cats and I'm fine with them)... also allergic to strong chemical smells and many pesticides.
I am in zone 7-A--I don't know why it does not say so.
We had a long cool Spring and a warm not hot early Summer. Mom's pansies are looking better than they have any right to look in July..
best
Heather
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 7, 2014
12:25 PM

Post #9887854

I have a thought - could they be marigolds?

DreamOfSpring

DreamOfSpring
Charleston, SC
(Zone 9a)

July 7, 2014
2:29 PM

Post #9887974

Did you compare the foliage in your 1st pic (top of thread) with that in some of the closeups from my links? Likewise, did you do similar [side by side] comparisons with marigold foliage? You can find pics of various types of marigolds (including foliage) in PlantFiles and also via google images; you can use these pics to compare with your pic to search for something identical.

I still say it's ragweed. I checked it against a number of different varieties of marigold foliage, and, while a few were close, none were identical - but ragweed foliage is identical.

Can you estimate the height of the fern-leaf foliage? In one of the 1st few posts (top of thread), you described the foliage as being very tall and straight with a single trunk. Most marigolds top out at 2-3ft, while annual ragweed grows to a height of 4-6ft, usually with a single trunk.

DreamOfSpring

DreamOfSpring
Charleston, SC
(Zone 9a)

July 7, 2014
2:39 PM

Post #9887982

You could post some pics of your fern-leaf plant in the Plant ID Forum to see what the folks over there think it is. You will probably get an definitive ID over there. There are a number of people in that forum who specialize in plant related fields of study. If you decide to do this, that 1st pic attached to your initial post is a good one to post for ID along with another pic showing a side view of the plant (if you can get one).

DreamOfSpring

DreamOfSpring
Charleston, SC
(Zone 9a)

July 7, 2014
2:58 PM

Post #9887995

Just wanted to add one more thing. While I still think it is ragweed, I could certainly be wrong. I'm an engineer and software developer with just enough plant knowledge to be dangerous, as this is not my area of expertise. In the Plant ID forum you will usually get 2 or more plant specialists who will 'duke it out', 'arguing' in scientific terms about things like whether the leaves are alternate vs opposite, compound vs simple, etc, etc, until they come to consensus as to what it is - either that or they will just all agree from the start. Either way, in most cases, you should get a definite answer fairly quickly over there.

As to your tomato plants, I agree with what has been said already. Switch to a low nitrogen fertilizer and then wait. They should bloom and set fruit soon. Approximately how tall are the tomato plants, and do you know roughly how long it has been since you transplanted them into the garden? I think you said you had been using the blue Miracle Grow that you mix with water. If it's the regular Miracle Grow, it's 10-10-10. It would be better to change to something with a lower 1st number (and/or higher 2nd number). I started my tomatoes with regular MG, but then switched to Miracle Grow bloom booster after the plants were about 2ft tall. I now have lots of blooms and some green tomatoes, so that worked. (Mine started to bloom after about a month in the ground.)

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

July 8, 2014
11:03 AM

Post #9888754

That sure does look like ragweed to me also!
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 8, 2014
12:39 PM

Post #9888846

Hey everyone!
Mystery plants are about three feet tall. I pulled a bunch today that might have been shading the tomatoes.

The variety of marigolds I suspect is Nematocidal Marigolds, I tried searching on the plant files
and got way way too many responses to look though- I have got to get the Latin name from the
package if I can find it. BTW those marigolds got really really tall before they popped up small yellow flowers.

Thanks for the fertilizer advice, esp the MG.

HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 22, 2014
1:50 PM

Post #9900383

Tomatoes starting to flower at last!
MaypopLaurel
Cleveland,GA/Atlanta, GA
(Zone 7b)

July 22, 2014
2:03 PM

Post #9900387

Good grief! Now you need to have warm enough weather to enjoy those tomatoes.
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 23, 2014
3:17 PM

Post #9901378

The weather's FINE...!
I love *this polar vortex-highs in the mid eighties not the low hundreds, and the nights are cool with a sweet breeze!
HY
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

July 23, 2014
3:32 PM

Post #9901394

1lisac wrote:I'm not sure it's a weed but I don't think it's a tomato plant. I could very well be wrong only time will tell.


Here are a link or two for images of nematocidal marigold. BTW I could not find this plant on DG.

Heather

[HYPERLINK@www.horizonherbs.com]

[HYPERLINK@]

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

July 23, 2014
4:27 PM

Post #9901441

Here ya go Heather :)

Good luck and happy gardening!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

July 29, 2014
12:13 AM

Post #9905467

Oh shoot, where's that link I posted?? Let's try this again.. The plant files listing for your nematocidal marigolds:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/31792/#b

DreamOfSpring

DreamOfSpring
Charleston, SC
(Zone 9a)

July 29, 2014
10:00 PM

Post #9906166

Sorry guys, but I still think the mystery plants are ragweed. I don't mean to be difficult. Just calling them as I see them. I see the similarities between the foliage of the 2 plants, but the leaves of the plant in the photo at top are not identical to those of the specified marigold. My money is still on ragweed. One thing is for sure. When it finally blooms, and I'm guessing that will occur around September, you will know for sure which plant you have.
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

August 2, 2014
11:25 AM

Post #9908670

Hmm, well I have just little ones now- I yanked all those tall ones out of the tomato patch because they were too tall and blocking the tomatoes' sunshine . Don't know what ragweed does, but the marigold I remember got very very tall before it ever dreamed about blooming

Well I will see if I can plant a small one in the direct sun and get it to grow and bloom. If it is the marigold I want seeds.
Heather

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

August 2, 2014
12:32 PM

Post #9908701

Well if they do indeed turn out to be the nematocidal marigolds, I'd love to trade for some seed :))
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

August 2, 2014
2:37 PM

Post #9908779

Stay tuned, Still Plays!

I love your DG Handle...I want it on a Tee shirt, to go along with the one my guy wears - he works driving the G train for NYC Transit ( the Subway) so his tee shirt says
" Still Plays with Trains"

Heathery

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

August 2, 2014
2:51 PM

Post #9908790

Funny Heather, I saw it on a tshirt before I "borrowed" it ;))
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 6, 2014
9:50 PM

Post #9912057

I love a mystery even if it has to do with plants. Lol I'll be interested to see what the mystery plants actually is.
MtnMam
Emmett, ID

August 7, 2014
11:44 PM

Post #9912792

It's August and time to lop off the tops of your tomato plants!

AND cut back on the water a bit too.

No matter what stage your tomato plants are in, no blossoms or baby tomatoes or what, when you lop off the tops EVERY AUGUST NO MATTER WHAT, your plants will get all excited and decide -- finally -- to reproduce, by making wonderful tomatoes.

It's always surprising how many people don't know that.

By cutting the water back a bit too, you are super concentrating their flavor too.

Have fun!
cytf
Staten Island, NY

August 8, 2014
10:01 AM

Post #9913100

Thanks MtnMam, I will take your advice and top of my tomatoes plants .I was really getting sad to see my plants were seem to stop producing .Will let you know what the results are.
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

August 8, 2014
5:09 PM

Post #9913359

Thanks from me too! How far down do you cut them?
Mine are btw all over the map:blooming, budding, some green tomatoes. Lop off the tops and they get busy, huhn?
This is wonderfully convenient for the indeterminate cherries, which produce like crazy but also grow all over the place before they do. Tomato time!

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

August 8, 2014
7:13 PM

Post #9913446

I didn't lop the tops off of my tomatoes, but I did get rid of all unhealthy looking foliage from the bottom and worked my way up. The tops are the healthiest looking parts of the plants now, and growing taller every day. This works well for me as I'm training them up an arch, and each one is blooming like mad again :))
MtnMam
Emmett, ID

August 9, 2014
11:35 AM

Post #9913912

Hi all, so nice to be talking with intelligent people!

Yes, topping tomato plants, every branch, about 2 inches or so off makes the tomato plants realize something bad is going on, so truly, they know they MUST finish ripening their seeds (I.e., ripe tomatoes), or they will not reproduce.

Be sure to cut back on the watering too. Let the ground dry couple inches from the top and it hurries the process as well as give you outstanding tomato tastes. Best of luck to you smart people!
M
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 9, 2014
5:04 PM

Post #9914155

I think a lot of the growing techniques vary with where you live. It is in the 100s here so there is no way I could cut back on watering the ground dries out daily. I'm also growing some in Earthboxes, this is my first yr, but there is no way to cut back on water using those.

I would never think of topping mine, not in this area anyway. Starter plants are for sale now so there is time for a whole other crop of tomatoes, at least here in the South. So far all of my plants have survived this Texas summer and are still producing. I want the plants as big as possible to produce as many tomatoes as possible. I have 75 plants and my fall harvest is usually my largest...we are not in any rush for tomatoes to ripen, in this area.

MtnMam, what zone are you in? If your interested there is a Tomato Forum on DG where many Tomato Gurus offer their expert advice.

I have never heard of topping tomatoes at this time of year in this area. Here we would do that in Oct. maybe.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

August 9, 2014
5:21 PM

Post #9914164

Lisa you have 75 plants?? Wow that is a lot! 😮
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 9, 2014
5:52 PM

Post #9914177

Yes, I'm nuts, I know it. Lol that's one reason I don't plant out until the weather is stable. I just can't protect that many plants and there has been more then one time that no freeze was predicted but I woke up and the temps were below 32*.

Last year I planted 4 plants early, the soil was still cool, and the plants just sat there. I think they produced 1 week earlier then the plants that went out a month later. I'm surprised that my plants are still setting fruit but when I pull out the spent flowers there are little tomato buttons in the there. This summer hasn't been really hot until this last week and the next week doesn't look much better. The long Beans are just starting to bloom and set...they love this heat.

StillPlaysWDirt

StillPlaysWDirt
(Becky), Lipan, TX
(Zone 7b)

August 9, 2014
9:09 PM

Post #9914282

Lol yes you are crazy but in the best way! I'm at 36 tomato plants and I can't imagine tending any more than that! Hope my fall harvest is bountiful, I already got a lot out of these plants so any would be such an amazing bonus!!
behillman
Plantersville, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 11, 2014
11:41 AM

Post #9915489

lLilac...Where do you buy your tomato seeds. Do you plant the same seeds every year. The tomato you plant must like the climate & do very well in your area. I live in Houston area, & the plants I plant do not do very well.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 14, 2014
1:54 PM

Post #9918031

behillman, I'm not ignoring you I've been busy but I want to give you as much info as I can so I'm going to have to do some thinking. Hopefully I can post tonight with a well thought out reply. Lol. I will say that I live in a microclimate so my growing conditions are very different. I will get back to your question when I actually have time to answer it.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 19, 2014
12:09 PM

Post #9921760

Ok I'm going to try and answer your question and stop thinking about it. Lol
I get my seeds from Baker Creek, Totally Tomatoes, and Trade Winds Fruits. I get seeds for Dwarf Tomato plants (Tomato Dwarf Project) from Victory Seeds and Heritage Seeds. I really love the dwarf plants especially for containers and Earthboxes. I'm not listing these separate as they are all good, IMHO.

I used to grow only OPs but the last couple of years I've started growing hybrids too and the production is usually better.

I'm not growing anything new this season but my "have tos" are Mortgage Lifter pink, Black Krim, Limmony, Prudens Purple, Eva Purple Ball, Solar Flare and Black Cherry.

The following I've had good luck with. Solar Fire, Red Defender, Tropic, Heatmaster, Tasti Lee, American Original Beefsteak Hybrid, Grandma's Pick, Bella Rosa, Talledega, Cherokee Purple, Japanese Black Trifele, Momotaro ( Tough Boy), Country Taste, Amelia and any of the Currant types.

Please remember that my microclimate is much different then yours...it is even different from Austin's. I'm at the foot of the Hill Country and they grow grapes near here. I don't plant out until the weather has stabilized but I still have good production. Hope this helps, tho.
behillman
Plantersville, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 20, 2014
8:04 PM

Post #9922741

l Lisac...Your climate must be more like the San Antonio climate. Anyway, I'll try getting my tomato seeds from Baker Seeds. The dwarf kind sounds like a good idea. Thanks for sharing with us all.

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

August 21, 2014
10:18 AM

Post #9923068

1lisac,
Could you tell a bit more about your microclimate? What are your avg. daytime and nighttime temps during your tomato growing season?

Thanks!

Gymgirl

Gymgirl
SE Houston (Hobby), TX
(Zone 9a)

August 21, 2014
10:19 AM

Post #9923069



This message was edited Aug 21, 2014 12:20 PM
behillman
Plantersville, TX
(Zone 9a)

August 21, 2014
3:21 PM

Post #9923333

Gymgirl: Did you have a good tomato season this year? I didn't plant any because I feared an early hot season, & it turned out to be a cool summer.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

August 21, 2014
8:12 PM

Post #9923484

San Antonio is warmer then Austin and I'm colder then Austin. My microclimate is small we get colder then the surrounding areas and we stay cold longer into spring and freeze earlier in the fall. There are vineyards close by and I think grapes need a certain amount of chill hours. We also have very little humidity compared to the rest of Texas, this summer has been an exception. I don't really know how else to describe my area. I am having a great tomato crop this season.

GG I'll check on the temps but the last week or so has been HOT. Both day and night.
HeatherY
Kensington, NY

September 8, 2014
2:33 PM

Post #9935874

That is the first time I ever heard a reference to any part of Texas as being "humid" except for the coast - see, all knowledge really is local!

My tomatoes are loaded with green fruit, large and small, I applied the advice from cytf and Still Plays.
I also cut my asparagus ferns way back, so sunlight reaches the fruits. (I have the tomatoes and asparagus alternating as companion plants. They were producing very fluffy ferns this year that blocked the sun.) I do not rotate my tomatoes or my asparagus .

Now for just a little patience, and making Fried Green Tomatoes with the windfalls
.
Off to take a picture of the mari-rag-gold-weed plant that sprung up in the tree pit.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 10, 2014
6:21 PM

Post #9937522

I have experienced the humidity of the Gulf Coast BUT I have also experienced the humidity of the Midwest and East Coast. The main difference, from my experience, is that the humidity lasts longer in Tx (further South)..but seems worse in the other areas mentioned. That's one reason I don't understand why so many plant issues are blamed on Humidity in TX.
behillman
Plantersville, TX
(Zone 9a)

September 11, 2014
11:27 AM

Post #9938044

Texas has Humidity and Heat. That makes a lot of deference. Plants can cook before your eyes.
1lisac
Liberty Hill, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 11, 2014
7:26 PM

Post #9938408

It was in the 90s in the midwest and the humidity was 75 %. I couldn't breath..I'm not saying that Texas isn't hot and humid (especially by the coast) but I'm not sure if people realize how hot and humid it gets elsewhere. I think one main difference is the that it doesn't cool down at night in Tx. Southern Exposure Seed Exchange specializes in seeds for the eastern part of the US. Seeds that do well in hot and humid conditions.

DreamOfSpring

DreamOfSpring
Charleston, SC
(Zone 9a)

September 11, 2014
8:14 PM

Post #9938443

Just to put that into perspective - and not to start a whole weather related topic - until about a week ago we were 'enjoying' temps in the very high 90's and low 100's with humidity in 80's & 90's. Horrible. Almost like living on the face of the sun. I truly hate late July and Aug around here. Anyhow, we have now cooled down to the low 90's with humidity still in the 80s and 90s (92% for tonight), and, I kid you not, it almost feels down right cool after those punishing weeks at 100F with a heat index around 116F or so. I realize summers are hot throughout most of the country, but I just could not resist adding some perspective.

Not surprisingly what remains of my garden is looking pretty haggard, so now I'm on my way to go check out that Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. Thanks very much for the tip. :-)

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