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Plant Identification: SOLVED: Sweet William or Phlox???

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vic

May 18, 2002
5:55 PM

Post #29787

Can someone please identify this for me? Thanks!
Vic

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Evert
Helsinki
Finland
(Zone 4b)


May 18, 2002
6:11 PM

Post #263725

Sweet William and Phlox are the same thing ...(!) :)
Aimee
Georgetown, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 18, 2002
6:12 PM

Post #263728

It looks like phlox, but I don't know which one. Sublata?
Evert
Helsinki
Finland
(Zone 4b)


May 18, 2002
6:14 PM

Post #263729

No, no subulata, subulata is the creeping one, that could be some D. barbatus variety or an annual Phlox.

This message was edited Saturday, May 18th 4:20 PM
Aimee
Georgetown, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 18, 2002
6:20 PM

Post #263732

In this area, people usually mean the plant descended from Dianthus barbatus when they say Sweet William. Phlox belongs to the family Polmoniaceae, whereas Dianthus belongs to the family Caryophyllaceae.
Evert
Helsinki
Finland
(Zone 4b)


May 18, 2002
7:06 PM

Post #263747

Now we see again the importance of scientific names.. :P :)
Aimee
Georgetown, TX
(Zone 8a)

May 18, 2002
7:17 PM

Post #263748

Common names also serve a purpose, if only that they feel good and are fun, but they are actually useful. Even though we have two different plant families here, neither of us has seen this plant, and we don't know its habits. It could indeed be creeping or erect, but without more information, we won't know by a post. So if a common name happens to describe this trait in a manner more understandable in the language of the locale involved, it has justified its use. Taxonomists continually change classifications, but my grandmother and her friends and their descendants still use the same name through the years. And we all know what is meant when we use those familiar terms in our areas. Yes, botanical names are good from a scientific point of view, but they, too, have limitations when you look at their practical place in the ordinary gardener's life. So, using your advanced knowledge of plant classification, which plant does Vic have, Polemoniaceae or Caryophyllaceae?
Evert
Helsinki
Finland
(Zone 4b)


May 18, 2002
7:33 PM

Post #263754

No voi perse ku tää menee aina tähän

Yes I know what you mean but you know - think how easy place world is for english speakers. I mean as a 'mother tongue'. Common names are then much more easier for you to use, would it be nice if I'd use just Finnish names from now?

So, I think the plant in the photo belongs to neilikkakasvit, because sinilatvakasvit look different.

(Vakavalla asialla ei saa leikkiä)
Baa

May 18, 2002
8:14 PM

Post #263785

Vic

I'm not entirely convinced this is a Phlox as yet. Do the petals have a fringe at the edges? Is the plant heavily scented? and The buds, do they come from a sort of pin cushion like head?

Ta!
poppysue
Westbrook, ME
(Zone 5a)


May 18, 2002
8:14 PM

Post #263786

It looks like Dianthus barbatus (Sweet Willam) to me ;o)
Evert
Helsinki
Finland
(Zone 4b)


May 18, 2002
8:22 PM

Post #263794

Somebody hit me with a rock..
Brugie
Chariton, IA
(Zone 5b)

May 18, 2002
8:33 PM

Post #263809

I agree with Poppysue and Aimee. Mine aren't blooming yet, but I'm sure they are Dianthus Barbatus or Sweet William. The unopened flower head looks right to be Sweet William. I also agree that there is a time and a place for the use of common names. I know that I would not be able to id some of my stuff it all you guys talked using botanical names only. I also understand Everts comments, but for the most part, we are English speaking people and learning Finnish would be a silly expectation. I think that a little give and take...common and botanical...is the only way to go.
vic

May 18, 2002
10:10 PM

Post #263852

Baa, the buds do look like pincushions, the petals are fringed, but it is not heavily scented. I thank you all for your comments... :-)
tiG
Newnan, GA
(Zone 8a)

May 18, 2002
10:13 PM

Post #263853

Evert, blap!!
Baa

May 18, 2002
10:21 PM

Post #263862

Vic

Then I agree with Poppysue, it's a Sweet William (or if your Scottish - Stinking Billy *G*) even without the heavy scent.
Calalily
Deep South Coastal, TX
(Zone 10a)

May 19, 2002
4:07 AM

Post #264054

I think it looks like a sweet william too. The roots on the dianthus family look like a mat of spun fiber. That's one way to tell them apart.

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