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paulgrow

paulgrow
Allen Park, MI
(Zone 6a)

April 22, 2001
10:50 PM

Post #3996

Does anyone have any expereince using Bayer Rose and Flower Care? Its a Systemic insecticide and fertilizer 12-18-6 in a granular form. It came out last year from what I understand. I bought a container today to try. I would appreciate any comments if you have used this product.
Its suppose to Zap aphids, thrips,leafminers,spider mites and a bunch more.
louisa
Troy, VA
(Zone 7a)

April 23, 2001
3:02 AM

Post #70097

I saw this advertized on the TV for the first time yesterday. Wondered about it myself! Maybe someone will come up with an answer :-)
kathy_727
Rockford, IL
(Zone 4a)

April 24, 2001
1:49 AM

Post #70384

I tried it last year, and it seemed to work... only a few japanese beetles and no aphids on the plants a few weeks after I applied, and there were a few that I'd squashed on a daily basis before that. I will add though, it was my first year with roses, and I'm not a voice of experience, especially with only 2 hybrid teas! Kathy
sunflower
Olive Branch, MS
(Zone 7b)

April 24, 2001
8:47 PM

Post #70553

It doesn't work very well for it's intended purpose as it doesn't translocate through the vascular system of the rose very well. That means that the tender new growth that is most succeptible to damage contains the least amount of pesticide, and the older leaves contain the most. It can also build up to toxic levels in plants and harm them over time. It also kills earthworms. If you have pets or children I would be severely concerned about using it as it is highly toxic to them, and ther have been several reported cases of death to dogs from it because the applicator mixed it in with a fertilizer that was attractive to dogs.

I don't use it and don't recommend that anyone use it. If aphids are a problem, then a sharp stream of water to knock them off will do the trick, or if they are very numerous, a slight spritizing of only the new growth with Orthene will also get rid of them, and you've use far less poision that dumping several teaspoons onto the ground.
brassica
Riverton, NJ

May 8, 2001
10:22 AM

Post #73308

Bayer rose food and systemic,,,was originally the Ortho rose food and systemic,,It is great stuff!!I grow my roses orgaincally However, i use this product on my clients roses and they are wonderful! This is not a new product, but Ortho had to allow the original maker of the product to sell it exclusively. This product makes rose care so easy !!Just follow the directions.
P.S. there are many organic ways to tend to roses also
LAS14
Albany, ME
(Zone 4b)

June 3, 2008
9:45 PM

Post #5047890

I can no longer find the Bayer 2 in 1, nor the Ortho Rose Pride 2 in 1. Ortho has come out with a container that looks like the old one, containing only fertlizer, and shrink-wrapped with it is a rose insecticide/miticide/disease fighter aerosol.

What are people that have used either of these products using now?
shirleyd
Starkville, MS

June 3, 2008
10:47 PM

Post #5048182

Last year I used Bayer 3  to avoid having to spray a fungicide.  At the beginning it was very effective in preventing black spot-----------and it was to be used only once every 6 weeks.  But, they said it was to be used only 3 times a year.  This is not enough time of usage for people living in Mississippi.  Our black spot season is much longer.  Also, when I used it on a hot July day on newly rooted little roses, it killed them.  Of course, when I called the company, they said that their product was not to blame.  But, other than those problems, I found it a welcome relief from weekly spayings.
LAS14
Albany, ME
(Zone 4b)

June 3, 2008
11:19 PM

Post #5048369

Hi, all, I'm hoping folks will read down to my new post in 2008. The point I'm making is that this product, and it's analagous Ortho product seem to be no longer available. Some are left on shelves, but when they're gone, they're gone.
SherryLike
SE Arky
United States
(Zone 8a)

June 4, 2008
2:17 AM

Post #5049265

It is my understanding that Bayer is not supposed to be used on young plants, or recently transplanted. Whatever, I stopped using Bayer because it didn't work for BS/mildew, I'm in southeast Arky. I thought cornmeal would be the BS wonder drug, but, it doesn't work either, so, I'm back goal to goal, doing zero, which seems to work as well, or not, lol!!!

trackinsand

trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)

June 4, 2008
3:29 PM

Post #5051933

sherry is right and the feed in it isn't sufficient either. it's not great stuff but it's still available here in florida. i used it one time-never again.
pegdog
Winchester, VA
(Zone 6a)

June 4, 2008
4:48 PM

Post #5052430

I can find Bayer here in VA. It's still available. organic is better.
2busygardening
Dade City, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 11, 2008
9:40 PM

Post #5242989

So, what is everyone useing?
steph_gem
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

July 12, 2008
4:19 AM

Post #5244991

How many roses do your have? If you only have a few that should work just fine. just don't inhale when your using it that stuff is so dang strong... You could use any kind of feed with it, but you probably should go more on the organic feed like fish emulsion, so you are are also putting something good for the ground in the ground too.
2busygardening
Dade City, FL
(Zone 9a)

July 12, 2008
4:53 AM

Post #5245106

I have 16 roses all in a bed together.
steph_gem
San Diego, CA
(Zone 10b)

July 12, 2008
4:51 PM

Post #5246960

That should work good for you. When I used to have that many that is what I used with fish emulsion and some epsom salt and had really good results. Just make sure your are using a good layer of organic mulch to sustain the soil life. and either wear a mask or when I didnt have one I would tie an old tea shirt around my face so I didnt get the fumes from the granuals. I still use it on my brugmansias all the time. It really keeps the bugs off. and I prefer granuals to the liquid.
dem2rd
Naugatuck, CT
(Zone 5a)

February 17, 2011
12:37 PM

Post #8377441

Bayer has a 3 in one for systemic care of roses. One of the nursery guys told me if I ever heard it was going off the market to buy as much as I could. I use it, works great here, and I have alot of roses. Makes my care easier.
ohohyeah
Minneapolis, MN

February 19, 2011
2:32 PM

Post #8381091

paulgrow wrote:Does anyone have any expereince using Bayer Rose and Flower Care? Its a Systemic insecticide and fertilizer 12-18-6 in a granular form. It came out last year from what I understand. I bought a container today to try. I would appreciate any comments if you have used this product.
Its suppose to Zap aphids, thrips,leafminers,spider mites and a bunch more.


I have a variety of roses -- shrub, climber, hybrid, miniature. Have not had problems since using the product. However, maybe they have changed it -- and you're asking about a newer version.
Laenini
Minneapolis, MN

August 27, 2012
10:50 AM

Post #9255590

I love the Bayer 3 in 1 product for roses. When I used to just use a fungicidal spray I could never seem to get black spot free. I think because its hard to actually get the front and back of each and every leaf sprayed with the right amount of spray.Since Bayer's product is systemically absorbed, the plant takes the chemicals up via its roots and distributes the product throughout the plant. For those who are concerned about accidental exposure to the Bayer Product, I'm a pharmacist and I will take a time released granular product any day over a spray product when exposure is a concern. Nature designed our lungs to readily absorb chemicals with each and every breath we take. Any product that is being sprayed around in the air is being breathed in to some extent at the same time by the gardener performing the spraying. A granular product that you measure and sprinkle around the base of the plant, then lightly work into the soil with your garden fork is not likely to present any significant exposure risk as children and pets can really only access that product 1 granual at a time once its mixed into the soil. If you want to add a layer of mulch over the treated soil that would take you one step further in preventing any accidental exposure. When mixing sprays, I always had leftovers in my spray canister and those leftovers are a definate poisoning hazzard. The granular product comes in a childproof jug. You use just what you need, reapply the safety cap, and put it up high until its needed again. Anyway, all of this is just my own opinion. You all know your pets and children better than I do, and if anyone thinks that for their family the Bayer 3 in 1 product is a high risk product, then by all means use what you are most comfortable using. :)
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

August 27, 2012
11:57 AM

Post #9255673

I agree with you. I used to spray with sulphur and other organic products but I didn't like the physical exposure. And you are right, getting the front and back of each leaf was difficult. I learned of the usefulness of some of their systemic producyts when using them on my two lindens. Japanese beetles love lindens and will destroy them. They killed a neighbors tree not 20 feet from one of mine - the defoliation was just too much. Mine were barely affected.

I very much like the granuals. There was a liquid previously, and this is much less expensive to use. I was always mixing things with liquid and then having to remove the residue from containers. There is nothing to spill, or to breathe, or to come into contact with your skin.

One additional advantage. You cannot use this product on potted roses, and I have one, a glorious Glamis Castle. Potted roses are easy to water well, which eliminated black spot and mildew. But the added factor seems to be that I treated all of my inground roses, and there are just fewer beetles in the yard - period.

I am big on organic gardening - milky spore, compost, sulphur. Some of the recommended remedies don't work for me - Remedy and Neem were busts. But sometimes a product comes along that I can actually feel comfortable using what works. This one of them. I very uch agre with your last paragraph. We al have our opinions and comfort levels, and have to make an informed judgment call o what products to use.
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 10, 2012
7:57 AM

Post #9270694

I use it as a last resort for some of the nasty bugs I have here in my new Texas garden. The past few weeks it has been cucumber beetles (you'd think they'd be done my now). Hundreds of them! I try to use as much of the organic remidies as possible, but the sheer volume of "bad" insects in this new garden can be overwhelming. Bayer does work for me to help ballance things out. For fertilizer I'm using my own compost (chicken litter, goat poo, oak leaves, used hay and raked up grass clippings). I back that off when I have to use the Bayer so as not to over do the fertilization thing. I've been noticing an increase in lady bugs and hover wasps this summer and I've really been working on improving my soil. So I'm hoping I will have to use the Bayer less and less. I really don't mind a few of the baddies here and there as long as I also have the "good" bugs to conteract--if you see what I mean. But the Bayer does work and I can see why folks use it. I just hope the bugs don't start to develop tolerances for the product as seems to happen over time with so many other useful products (not necessarily garden products).

woodspirit1

woodspirit1
Lake Toxaway, NC
(Zone 7a)

September 14, 2012
6:26 PM

Post #9275496

i really like the Bayer 3-in-1 but use it less and less. I prefer using as much organic materials as possible i.e. Black Kow, later Black hen, bone meal, phosphates. But both the roses and Angel Trumpets are susceptible to insects and fungus so in the long run, I use them. Beekeepers claim that disappearing bee populations are partly caused by the systemic poisons so I try to keep my plants as healthy as possible and avoid poisons which I am mostly able to do.
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

September 15, 2012
4:51 AM

Post #9275752

I must tell you this story.

On my front yard within ten feet of five roses I used the Bayer product on, honey bees built a nest in the ground. They dug a hole and made a honey factory in my front yard! At times there were hundreds of non-aggressive bees. I could walk within a foot of it, and kids could ride their bikes over it, and they would swarm a bit but never stung. I have a second honey factory in the back of my house near several more treated roses. This has been going on for many weeks.

So I realize that this is just one instance, but the fact that I have 2 bee filled honey factories within ten feet of Bayer treated roses means that that substance in particular is probably not toxic to them.

It really made me feel good. People couldn't understand why I didn't kill off the bees, but frankly, they make rather charming company.

trackinsand

trackinsand
mid central, FL
(Zone 9a)

September 15, 2012
5:38 AM

Post #9275766

i'm pretty sure that the true Honey Bee does not nest underground. there are many other bee species that do however.
DonnaMack
Elgin, IL
(Zone 5a)

September 15, 2012
6:27 AM

Post #9275801

All I know is that an animal went in to get the honey. The specialist who came to view the siuation recognized it as such. I didn't really care what kind of bee it was. It made honey, and it was very benign, and that's all I cared about.

My point was that I was pleased that honey making bees were not affected by the product. Is that better?

woodspirit1

woodspirit1
Lake Toxaway, NC
(Zone 7a)

September 15, 2012
12:28 PM

Post #9275999

I'd never heard of honey bees living underground either, but if you had a specialist look at it and verified, then I'm amazed. Here, we seldom see a honey bee anymore. The folks raising bees have to keep renewing the nests
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 17, 2012
8:20 AM

Post #9277675

In the spring we have thousands of wild honey bees in our yard. In spring our yard is filled with these little pink wild flowers (they smell like vanilla or cotton candy depending on how hot it is) and the honey bees go nuts for them. In the mornings I can tell when the temperature us rising as I can actually hear the honey bees buzzing their way to work. Once the pink flowers die off for the year about half the bees move on, but a fair number of them seem to stay around for the roses, etc. We have quite a few orchard and bumble bees, too. I know that bumble bees nest in the ground, but have also noted some sort of honey-type bee congregating onto one spot just outside the yard and thought they must be some sort of "cave dwelling bee". I know another group have a hive up in one of the pecan trees. I don't know that much about bees either so I just don't know what sort of bees they are. They look to me like wild honey bees. I took a photo of a grouping of bees in my yard and posted them last year and someone was kind enough to tell me they were wild honey bees with a couple of European honey bees mixed in. But my point is that I do think there is some sort of honey bee that will burrow into the ground, I don't know what it is, someone last year here on Dave's did know, and I've pretty much lost all those old photos as my old laptop has demetia and can't remember how to get to them so that I can re-post. As I don't use the Bayer at any one specific time of the year and only use it on a limited basis I can't really say that it is affecting my bee population in any way. I just know that I have many bees around (I feel lucky about that) and that there is always a multiple choice for them as far and flowing plants is concerned. So I my roses don't taste right to them they can move on and get something else.

Perhaps Cocoalulu will jump in here. She knows a lot about the local insect population...☺

woodspirit1

woodspirit1
Lake Toxaway, NC
(Zone 7a)

September 18, 2012
6:25 PM

Post #9279399

It's not the taste that is the problem, it's the fact that the insecticides and fungicides are deadly toxic. I'm glad you have so many wild bees there, but they are rare here.
terri_emory
Alba, TX
(Zone 8a)

September 19, 2012
6:34 AM

Post #9279804

So true and very sad.

Even though I have many I try to be as careful as I can. I only use the Bayer when I absolutely have to. For example, this past weekend I found hundreds (yes, really, I started to count and gave up) of cucumber beetles on my Buttercup and Lady of Shallott. Picking them off really wasn't an option. Like everything else here in Texas, they do bugs big too. I have The Countryman and Graham Thomas mixed into that bed but they didn't seem to have the cucumber beetle thing going on. Just the Buttercup and Lady of Shallott. So I did use the Bayer, but only on the two affected varieties. This morning it looks like the cuc beetles are leaving and ignoring the unaffected roses as they go and the roses already look as if they are bouncing back with new buds and leaflets coming on. So I don't use Bayer often, but it really works when I do.

It really wouldn't seem like spring here to me without that 1950's-B-movie-horror-flick drone of honeybees out in my yard ☺! The first time I heard it I didn't know what it was. DH and I were looking everywhere in the house thinking some mechanical or other was going bad. Then we went outside to check and...honeybees everywhere! Kind of like The Birds but these guys are pretty friendly.

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